Forum logs for 04 Apr 2017
| asciilifeform: | ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!) | [00:00] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 photon sets off 2 detectors ~equally well as 1. | [00:00] |
| asciilifeform: | if close by. | [00:00] |
| asciilifeform: | if you wanted to be even more clever, could use strictly beta detector, and rely on the fact that the things go in two opposite geometric directions every time. | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle. | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | (big heavy thing, with msdos box attached, no less.) | [00:04] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2017#2262341 << old sovj0ke: 'flyer hangs on barrack door in buchenvald: 'tonight: DISCOTHEQUE! machine gunner Hans will play his two new disks !' | [00:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. | [00:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [00:49] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...9489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown RU) | [01:24] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown RU) | [01:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | $? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 | [01:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | !? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 | [01:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | !$ ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 | [01:32] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 | [01:32] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 | [01:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | hi jhvh1 | [08:24] |
| shinohai: | jhvh1 is busy terrorizing jews, but said to send you these retro titties: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8kTtv2XcAEqFuR.jpg | [08:26] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai nice bitties! | [08:30] |
| shinohai: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8jykoQVoAAiH-Z.jpg <<< Someone needs to scrub their grout. | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | is this another columbian chick ? | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah nm ukr. i thouight those tiles looked familiar. | [09:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | somebody needs to be blonder, wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this. | [09:18] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/englezu-e-cel-mai-prost-dintre-oi/ << Trilema - Englezu' e cel mai prost dintre oi | [09:22] |
| shinohai: | !~translate en to uk wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this? | [09:23] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: WTF волохатого збройне єврейство це? | [09:23] |
| shinohai: | Will dispatch posthaste | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | lel | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually it gets it rather close, yevreystvo | [09:24] |
| shinohai: | I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | but that's like antisemitism! | [09:30] |
| * shinohai | performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!" | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | "To znay: za chest' dolzhna schitat' znakomstvo yunkerskogo khuya!" | [09:34] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT" | [11:00] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: expand plox | [11:01] |
| trinque: | I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds | [11:01] |
| trinque: | and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | actually trinque i know of at least 2 | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | x11 and traditional | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | not everything is a matter of 'ugh, dbus' | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | some folx actually have variant use scenarios, and variant hardware. | [11:02] |
| trinque: | hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that | [11:04] |
| trinque: | we discussed this for trb openbsd patches | [11:05] |
| trinque: | in castle mod6 | [11:05] |
| mod6: | ah, ya | [11:06] |
| trinque: | subject there was ifdef throughout the code vs having multiple branches descending from the point multi-arch began | [11:07] |
| trinque: | often yes having the same patches ground onto each path | [11:07] |
| trinque: | but then the decision tree is there in V instead of buried in the code | [11:08] |
| trinque: | also costless abandonment of branches nothing to back out in the vpatched material | [11:09] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: my last attempt at 'vtronic portage' ran into the brick wall of 'there are nongenesisable items in the tarballss' | [11:41] |
| asciilifeform: | (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.) | [11:41] |
| trinque: | aha, that problem remains. | [11:42] |
| asciilifeform: | if only it, though. | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit. | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | vpatches are to be ~readable~. | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | a MB of autogenerated (by whom ? when ? where ? how ? no one knows for certain) liquishit -- is not readable. | [11:44] |
| trinque: | I dunno the existing C world can ever be expected to be fixed in the manner you imply. | [11:45] |
| trinque: | just caught, like trb, here's how it was | [11:45] |
| trinque: | found blob items and all | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100% | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | worx great, even on crapple | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ( lives here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 ) | [11:46] |
| trinque: | sure, subset of "world" can be fixed | [11:46] |
| trinque: | and very cool | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | it isn't clear to me that autoconf was EVER necessary | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a 'tv raft' | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system. | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526720 << thread. | [11:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-08-22 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL | [11:48] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526636 | [11:49] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-08-22 03:23 phf: well, since asciilifeform's not here "let them eat nagant! wake me up when less stupid people!" | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene. | [11:53] |
| trinque: | because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled. | [11:53] |
| asciilifeform: | the living mushroom, with his beard having crumbs from 1985 in it somewhere still. and his circle. | [11:53] |
| trinque: | if we're all equal, that guy can get laid too. | [11:53] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" | [11:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: if you're building for a unixlike, you're stuck with pthreads | [11:54] |
| Framedragger: | yeah that was my conclusion. so, guess will do. mk. | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: it was picked as example ! | [11:55] |
| trinque: | also srsly don't reason with "is bad" | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | of 'MUST find header' | [11:55] |
| Framedragger: | suresure! | [11:55] |
| Framedragger: | trinque: not my reason, was satire (bad satire) | [11:55] |
| trinque: | suresure! | [11:55] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: tried to make accessible is fine by this standard | [11:56] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun see any actual evidence of this 'tried' | [11:56] |
| trinque: | there's caked shit there in the spot what did you want? | [11:56] |
| asciilifeform: | it is 100% pure beard crumb, no actual rationale involved | [11:56] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526700 << moar old thread, to avoid reprinting... | [11:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-08-22 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation | [11:58] |
| trinque: | nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing | [11:59] |
| trinque: | use whatever libs, whatever userland, and everything will magically work because democracy is a thing. | [11:59] |
| asciilifeform: | dunno that 'it happened because tricked people with promise of Phreeedom'. it happened as a slime mold happens, as mushroom grows -- because it could, and because no pushback. | [11:59] |
| trinque: | "hurd" was supposed to be the culmination of this | [11:59] |
| trinque: | was *entirely* intentional in the way wave of human meat strategy is intentional | [12:00] |
| trinque: | (and honestly, hurd? apt.) | [12:00] |
| trinque: | doesn't discount the beardcrust factor either. "If we maximally shuffle the circumstances around us, surely *someone* will fuck us. Anything can happen." | [12:01] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: do you recall the linux kernel modules thread ? | [12:02] |
| asciilifeform: | it was an instance of exactly same thing. ANY attempt to paper over 'i have nfi what the user has, let's support 10,000,001 possible braindamages' ends up looking like autoconf. | [12:03] |
| trinque: | sure it does, but someone had to think the user getting to do what he wants was a good thing first | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | 'yeah, what if he has an ISA nic from 1993! gotta support' | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: in context, it was either this, or linux dun exist and it's-1995-if-you-want-a-unix-box-buy-a-sun | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | pc hardware is liquishit. | [12:04] |
| shinohai: | https://zrcoin.io/ <<< get 5.5% monthly returns from thin air! | [12:04] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: sometimes wave of meat is what ya got. | [12:04] |
| trinque: | RMS, wrathful old testament god, confuses the language of the people to prevent another tower of Microshit from being built. | [12:07] |
| asciilifeform: | 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc | [12:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | See also just about any small engine powered equipment part other than fuel line | [12:14] |
| asciilifeform: | !~later tell mircea_popescu any idea whatever happened to 'induced beta decay' ? ( e.g., http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1984/V1/89.pdf ) -- the thing with the 'convert forbidden states to permitted with magnetic field' | [12:37] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ( for extra lulz: C-14's decay -- is a beta decay.) | [12:40] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [12:57] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [12:57] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [12:57] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [12:57] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey hey | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | both tropos | [12:58] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s tropos | [12:59] |
| a111: | 26 results for "tropos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropos | [12:59] |
| asciilifeform: | !$ ssh 74.45.0.65 | [12:59] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 74.45.0.65 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1 | [12:59] |
| asciilifeform: | !$ ssh 74.45.0.64 | [12:59] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 74.45.0.64 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1 | [12:59] |
| asciilifeform: | openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 74.45.0.65:443 >>>> O=Tropos Networks/OU=Manufacturing/CN=Tropos Router/emailAddress=support@tropos.com | [13:00] |
| asciilifeform: | etc | [13:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [13:06] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [13:06] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [13:06] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1203...1937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown US) | [13:06] |
| asciilifeform: | !$ ssh 74.45.231.115 | [13:07] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 74.45.231.115 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2 | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ( turns out -- another tropos ) | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ( supposedly confessed and patched in 2012... https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=27612 . supposedly. ) | [13:10] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636979 << i think the argument presupposes conditions that anticipate the problem, so in a sense it supports what i said originally, while also appearing in opposition | [13:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! | [13:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform not much. magnetic field research is for some reason stuck in 1700 | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | has been since tesla's days | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | i had nfi that tesla moved it back 200y!1111 | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno he did that lol. | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | he moved it from 1680 to 1700 say :D | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate, mega-surprise, decay via electron capture is susceptible to magnetic field manipulations. | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently it is at least in principle possible to 'burn', e.g., sr-90, in 3 days instead of 30 yrs. | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and to use the energy for something. ) | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i vaguely remember some guy trying to do something along those lines re nuclear waste recycling | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | several. | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | couldn't get a grant. | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, works great in demo. but 'nobody wanted'. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no i mean that i actually knew | [13:21] |
| asciilifeform: | it is also, by inference, possible to monkey with archaeological 'dating' via same method. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | quite. | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines. | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, and you're really pissed at that guy ?" "yeah man totally. i hate that guy." | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | "scientific fiction", to mirror legal fiction. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | anybody ever stick a tritium glow tube (ubiquitous konsoomer toy) in, e.g., permanent nmr magnet ? | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ( y'know, these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606491 ) | [13:24] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-25 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet) | [13:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't say as i have. by the age i was hanging out with the rave sluts i was no longer playing with magnets. | [13:24] |
| asciilifeform: | it'd be pretty simple experiment. take tritium lamp (buy wherever pistols are sold, moneyed folx often use tritium glow sight) | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | get a baseline for the light output | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | (with photomultiplier tube) | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | then put the 5T magnet on. and again same. | [13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but. | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | theory suggests that the effect will be palpable. possibly visible, even, with naked eye. | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636999 << in theory this is how it should work in practice the sloppy git style does not work with the republican sig nuking. it'll just whine that "dependencies". basically, we're trying to get software from where it builds spirogyra strands to where it builds ACTUAL TREES. | [13:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 15:02 trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot | [13:27] |
| asciilifeform: | if you have a thing-walled gm tube, you don't need a 'tritium lamp', even, can use a box of 'diet salt' (where it has K instead of Na, and ~0.01% of natural K is K-40, beta emitter) | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299 | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform talk about beta ingestion. i bet you the "diet" dorks eat more than shaves off my grinders. | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | everybody eats K | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | and ~everything else. | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | (gotta keep the ion gradient going, heh) | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637022 << yes, to a large degree the usage of the "tools" is more a function of the presence of the tools than of the presence of a need. just like while car is useful item, if you stop $random car occupant will not be able to explain what he's doing. | [13:31] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 15:46 asciilifeform: hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100% | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637039 << he wasn't discussing pthreads per se. | [13:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 15:54 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" | [13:34] |
| Framedragger: | i understand, i just got scared like a little girl | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | lel. ok, this is marginalyl better satire. | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637056 << i do believe you have a point, the explanation isn't exactly idiocy, but rather, the fact that in people with no technical ability, the seepage of their political ideas into their practice was unavoidable. | [13:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 15:59 trinque: nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | and by people with no technical ability i mean the likes of ian murdock or rms. the lot of them, really. | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | (no, noticing a nail and going "oh, i remember hammer can hit nails" is NOT technical ability. a ditzy blonde / bright dog can do the fucking same. technical ability is when you can say ~use x, because no other tool is more adequate here~. that's technical fucking ability.) | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in idiots this decays to "what should i do here ?" "uh i dunno, but X is more friendly to our shared delusions of equality, humanism and our democracy!" | [13:41] |
| Framedragger: | didn't rms implement emacs by ~himself? or that doesn't count? | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you aware of the substance of that claim ? | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, didja read the history, confront variants from multiple people ? | [13:43] |
| Framedragger: | ^ (i mean the gnu port) | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahem. | [13:43] |
| Framedragger: | a port totally counts. however, as to your general point, no. | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | might be a fun weekend project, "establish rms emacs involvement", if you're bored one weekend. | [13:43] |
| Framedragger: | (would be interested to hear someone deny it) | [13:43] |
| Framedragger: | hm, true. | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | make some claims, source the claims, insist the sourcing's balanced, you know, like serious court reporter say. | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_rms.html << see also. | [13:44] |
| Framedragger: | ty | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | #trilema, where homework cheating lives. | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | (i am not, for clarity, declaring he didn't anymore than i'm declaring he did. i personally dun gas.) | [13:45] |
| phf: | well, since already spoilt, original emacs was written by a bunch of different people for TECO and long after rms became maintainer of that. then greenberg rewrote it in lisp (multics emacs) | [13:46] |
| phf: | then gosling wrote a version of emacs for a unix machine, that was used by rms as the foundation for his emacs | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf my hm hasn't returned yet. what conditions are presupposed that anticipate the problem ? | [13:48] |
| phf: | the need to not treat the binary as a black box and also the need for non-linear compilation | [13:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | why is what i assume you mean by non-linear compilation presupposed ? | [13:51] |
| phf: | i think the word you used was "unary" | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don't expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle. | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i suspect this goes to (one of the) roots of the argument : it is not broadly speaking sane for person writing code to expect that he knows what compiler user will use to produce object or machine code. | [13:56] |
| phf: | well, the plurality makes it non-linear, of course each one can be linear | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, but if you meant it in that sense i no longer see how it anticipates the very problem. | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | (to continue link above : the prb idiocy "oh code is spec" is not invented by the idiots for this occasion. it's universally at the basis of contemporaneous cs, and it's all permeating. it stars with the expectation that you can tell whether the code you wrote is correct BY WHETHER THE MACHINE WORKS. this is utter fucking nonsense!111 appealing to tweens, perhaps, but still nonsense.) | [13:58] |
| phf: | the problem broadly speaking is that our solution to trust is "read the source code", in order to trust compiler you read the source code of the compiler. the trust chain terminates at bootstrapping. you can't "just" bootstrap on an untrusted system, you have to enumerate defensive approaches | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, and the objection to this is that you for some reason refuse the cornerstone of management, which is the differential approach. | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn't add ? | [13:58] |
| phf: | i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p | [13:59] |
| phf: | what's the differential approach? | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | where i tell two people to do the same thing and compare the results. | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren't worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don't understand them like she does" etcetera. | [14:00] |
| phf: | i don't ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don't think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no dispute whatsoever then. except maybe for this much : that problem is a problem in the sense thermic death is a problem. always and everywhere without let or respite. | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | i gotta object to the analogy with the egg and rotten kid. this is more like 'which of these children will get which type of cancer, and when.' | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno it goes that far. | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | but to a large degree i can predict what the ailments of the women naked on the floor will be as time withers them. | [14:05] |
| asciilifeform: | there is VERY little that you can say re a multi-MB binturd without spending several $mil. | [14:05] |
| asciilifeform: | and even ~with~. | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637072 << this is true. kinda sad to watch too. plagued ~everyone until serious effort got put behind replaceable parts. which, incidentally, is WHY you have things such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635839 | [14:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 16:07 asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc | [14:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-02 07:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically. | [14:20] |
| phf: | i think i see why we got on this thread. i was saying that bootstrapping is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for fits in head (i think ascii might've tried pointing that out to me). | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect it's mostly because we're thinking in yet not mutually understood terms. | [14:22] |
| phf: | we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don't mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap. | [14:22] |
| phf: | that too | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | the adage "trust, but verify" works splendidly when enough people do enough spot checking. | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only problem is if they get lazy and turn into fly eyes. | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | but in practical terms, i don't check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc. | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | it goes way the fuck earlier than that, the whole thing with clay stamps and ancient babylonians etc. | [14:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's also strictly opposite to the "human rights" imbecility. | [14:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: the spot check model is, again, wholly inadequate. if you have ONE debianism or heartbleed etc. it literally does not matter worth a shit how 'clean' the remainder of it may have been. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the reason it doesn't matter is because it's impossible not to stumble on the one. | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | quite possible. | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | a certain drepperism sat for, what, 22 yrs. | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | "spot check model doesn't mater, if there's phosgene in the air you're fucked" "yes, well, i think i might notice the phosgene. by you know, how the gals drop like flies." | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform sat there. | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | this is more of a sarin than a phosgene. | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | definitely noticeable in any case. | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | in the sense where, by the time you have any notice, you also have some serious problems. | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | model this for me. | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | let's say we find that, e.g., gcc past 3.x embeds an off-by-one-ization in memcpy() , dependant on payload, and that it is triggerable specifically in trb tx processing. | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok | [14:32] |
| asciilifeform: | and that we find this AFTER we put pogos on bottom of the sea, and on mars, in cement plinths. | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | we don't put pogos that way. if you recall, i wasn't for it then, either. | [14:32] |
| asciilifeform: | it is the 'sarin' case : finding that you have been fucked, does 0 to unfuck. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is of no concern. we don't own the pipeline so we don't cement the products. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | alternatively, say i find that gpg only ever was able to generate 100,000,000 different keys. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | and enumerate them. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | for all you know i picked my primes by hand. | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | it'd quickly become apparent, neh, whether mircea_popescu (or whoever) did. | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | it would. point remains : no unarisms. | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes gpg can generate key. so can you. keep that in mind. | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ asciilifeform: 'say a three megatonne bomb falls, you are 1km from ground zero' mircea_popescu: 'ha-HA! i wouldn't be caught dead near ground zero! foiled!' | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635192 << foiled. | [14:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi. | [14:35] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << this interested me the other day because my emulated asciilifeform does not approve of mitigations the model described also can be implemented in meat | [14:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' | [14:37] |
| trinque: | applies directly to present thread | [14:37] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu when you were a kid, did the local boys also do the 'well ~i'll~ X' 'battle of wits' thing ? 'tomorrow i'll bring a TANK!' 'well ~i~ will bring antitank gun!' '~i~ will bring battleship!' | [14:37] |
| asciilifeform: | 'who is stronger, elephant or whale.' | [14:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but i played heroes while they did that. | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | "what is stronger, titan or black dragon ?" | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | (9yo mp actually did these determinations by hand. how about 2 vs 2 ? how about 1+1 vs 2 ? how about...) | [14:38] |
| phf: | well, presumably all this only applies when you have fits in head. otherwise you have to fallback to counterparty | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i will say, people tend to be amazed at what can fit in a head once proper trees are constructed for the fitting. | [14:39] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: elaborate plox | [14:40] |
| trinque: | really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don't suck, *you* aren't dead | [14:43] |
| * asciilifeform | utterly fails to grasp the line of thought here | [14:43] |
| asciilifeform: | you don't 'lose a man' via debianization, you lose -- potentially -- entire empire. | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | and entire planets. | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | with 0 warning. | [14:44] |
| trinque: | homogenized planets die | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | in related story : i was walking with girl yesterday among this beautiful townlet. off one fence, an explosive arbust sent its POISON RED flowers. i examined it because curious, and decided it's actually some kind of cherry tree ?!?! right leaves, right petals except for the color, everything. | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | so today she asks, "But the question is, if that tree makes fruit, and they pretty much look like cherries... will you try one ?" | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: probably why threads re thompsonism tend to focus on gcc : it is THE failure point | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | "no hon. i'm not the right age for self-testing anymore. that's more of a 16yo thing." | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | the funny part is that i suspect it's entirely lost on her as of yet who's gonna be tasting them. | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: didja ever explain to her who's gonna be doing the falling on grenades ? | [14:46] |
| asciilifeform: | and the plugging of pillbox embrasures with own torso | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | not as such | [14:47] |
| asciilifeform: | id've thought, naively, that they know approx what they signed up for. | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | what was i gonna say, "i know this guy, something-life-form" ? | [14:47] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [14:47] |
| asciilifeform: | 'and today, chicklets, we will learn how to properly jump under a tank' | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the fundamental problem is that no one can know what they sign up for. | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | except of course if they're signing up for a job at the walmart. | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | 'hey i signed up for jumping under tanks, not for into volcano' | [14:51] |
| asciilifeform: | scam!1111 | [14:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | certainty is for sessile polyps | [14:51] |
| phf: | that's not what i signed up for when i was born | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | in related story : months ago, still in argentina, walked with girl past fence with arbust. beautiful white flowers with intoxicating aroma, like nicotiana alata on steroids. | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i break one off, smell it, handle it, we arrive at the coffee house, i put it into one of the water cups they serve with coffee. meet local girl, ask her if she knows what this beautiful flower is, she does not. | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | any guesses ? | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | oh i remember this | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | this was in the logs | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | it was zombie cucumber | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | d. stramonia | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was 100% datura. enough there for a medium sized book club. | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | (flowers are particularly iffy, in daturas as in most such weeds) | [14:54] |
| asciilifeform: | it ain't sarin, however, does little simply by touching. | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was just idly following the sign up thread. | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( don't eat it. don't bite your nails. ) | [14:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | heh | [14:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren't you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can't get to it" | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | mataperros, yes ? | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | where perra is how you call her when she's been bad. | [15:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | both of 'em | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | or at the club, i suppose. | [15:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | ah, no, point is that she's on top of things. | [15:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | "yes honey, beautiful beautiful death, all over the carport" | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: iirc there is a famous 'poison garden' in england somewhere | [15:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | neato | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ic | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | and now i shall leave you for a typical mp ritual, whereby i line up all the shot glasses in the house, fill each with a different kind of mineral water and make the rules that'll dominate purchasing henceforth. brb. | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | there was a sign, 'do NOT sniff the flowers', some visitors -- ignored, sniffed. | [15:02] |
| shinohai: | https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013981.html <<< Make btc more segwittier ? | [15:03] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/g9Lzf << subj | [15:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh fuck, "it may be an ideal fit for fundamentally different block designs such as Rootstock and MimbleWimble in absence of decentralised non-integrated sidechains" | [15:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | blither blather hoob hoob gaDORNK | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf was 'rootstock' | [15:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh whoa that plant tunnel is awesome | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | gah this water sucks wtf. | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | !! key Blazsword | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!key Blazsword | [15:06] |
| deedbot: | Not registered. | [15:06] |
| shinohai: | rootstock was the plan to add ethereum functions to btc | [15:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: betcha it's better than the well water south of portland | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | and lol, 'extension blocks' ?! | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | that may be. | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | this just gets 'better' an' 'better' | [15:07] |
| ben_vulpes: | i do miss one thing about my hometown bull run reservoir produces un-fucking-matched agua | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, cluj had great tap water when i was a wee tyke. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai you mean free btc for daocough ? | [15:08] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: surface sources ftw | [15:09] |
| ben_vulpes: | "bull run" is ferociously protected valley on mt. hood combination of glacier runoff and rainfall on valley in q | [15:10] |
| shinohai: | I have little faith they'll ever actually get a working product, rootstock has been endless blather on reddit for well over a year. | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes do you recall the oglaf with "song of sword and saddle" or what was it | [15:11] |
| ben_vulpes: | shinohai: if they don't have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default | [15:11] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: no? | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | idea men!!1 | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/ | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | re "ferociously protected". "we dun need no women on mt hood, stinking up the water supply with their womanly lyes and lures." | [15:13] |
| shinohai: | ^ kek | [15:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | mostly ch2mhill | [15:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | "fixing" things. | [15:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | there are plenty of places to slime hood | [15:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | just stay the fuck out of bull run valley | [15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other #trilema does my homework, can anyone explain wtf a "factory reset" that wipes the hdd would be ? windows speak for reinstall ? | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it's a winblowzism typically found on 'dell', 'hp', similar shitboxes, unpacks a new hdd image from hidden disk partition. | [15:16] |
| Framedragger: | (n-gate.com has HN update for the last week of march and it's a riot, http://n-gate.com/) | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | (naturally -- nuking existing everythings) | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaa | [15:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | Framedragger: solid chuckles | [15:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | > "The Rust Evangelism Strikeforce speculates on when they can move on to shitting up web development" | [15:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | fuck, buddy, i didn't think it could get worse! | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Not a single goddamn Hackernews makes the obvious connection to the shit they do at work all day for a living. The tacit consensus: Hackernews isn't bad for creating the tools of surveillance capitalism Congress is bad for letting people use them.' | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | lulzy. | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's ok, the salaries have been slimming continuously. soon enough shinohai 's girls will be making more than paul graham's bois. | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | as god intended. | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger got a twitter ? | [15:21] |
| Framedragger: | (un)fortunately not | [15:21] |
| Framedragger: | well, old 'dev' account for twitter app (don't ask) doesn't count | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | if anyone does, see if the n-gate dude wants to do a qntra weekly ? he sounds just about right. | [15:22] |
| Framedragger: | oh god n-gate <-> qntra pipeline is so obvious in retrospect, why did nobody think of this!1 | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i never read n-gate | [15:23] |
| Framedragger: | ok will drop an email to the chap if can find an address. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | worx | [15:23] |
| Framedragger: | after this wine. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i hope latest trilema didn't push you to drink. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're in scotland after all, what the hell do you care!!1 | [15:24] |
| Framedragger: | incidentally did eat canonical eng breakfast this morning i should re-evaluate my life | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, notice THE LEG ? https://68.media.tumblr.com/9ff0aa6b62a82c76eb8eab2e2b6692fe/tumblr_nfp6uoUwc51shcyjro1_1280.png | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger i do it occasionally myself. | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | http://computers-are-fast.github.io ( linked from the loltron ) <<<>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 . | [15:31] |
| shinohai: | dafuq is that thing on the far right in that pic mircea_popescu ? | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | that'd be THE LEG | [15:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | ahaha | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | (old and therefore stupid cunt figured she's too good to go in the mud bare cunt, so she took a dress.) | [15:32] |
| shinohai: | Looks like a half woman/ half grub emerging from a pond full of shit | [15:33] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought it was a 'sack race' | [15:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | pushing a particularly stubborn turd out | [15:33] |
| shinohai: | errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform sack races are raceist mkay. | [15:34] |
| asciilifeform: | ( in other lulz, re much earlier thread, https://www.google.com/patents/EP0099946A1?cl=en ) | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf was david chapman supposed to have sold for "zillions of dollars" ?! | [15:40] |
| shinohai: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lsbxPWAAEZDyV.jpg <<< If ur gonna use girls to shill shitcoins on twitter, at least use naked ones. | [15:40] |
| shinohai: | geez | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: whossat | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, krill at mit in the 80s. | [15:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | shinohai: stock photo or real gurl? | [15:40] |
| shinohai: | I imagine its stock photo meself | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Google continues the war against their own users. The XMPP Memorial Society trades barbs about whose fault it is that a misdesigned overengineered shitshow of a protocol failed to gain traction amongst non-erlang enthusiasts. Every single messaging platform in current existence is held up as Obviously The Future. Hackernews tries to figure out what Google's master plan is, and why Google is working so hard to make it look li | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ke aimless poorly-managed floundering. IRCv3 continues to be a retarded pile of solutions to the wrong problems." | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | shit, i got nothing to add! | [15:43] |
| shinohai: | If it was a real girl they'd have to settle for someone like covertress I imagine. | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | python 3 memorial society coming up soon. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620090 << last thread re 'ngate' | [15:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-02-28 17:24 asciilifeform: in other lulzfests, http://n-gate.com | [15:44] |
| shinohai: | In other asses: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lAhC-XUAAF0tu.jpg | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | Maximum Hackernews is achieved as the sentence "I am too stupid to understand the context of academic research" is expressed as "now if you implemented this as a web app, i'd be sharing it with everybody" | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | "The Muskonauts post their latest launch on Youtube. Hackernews thinks their kids will give a shit whether Elon recycled rockets. The hilarity of Hackernews expectations of the near future is not outweighed by the repetition of the typical Hackernews output on space travel: space is not worth exploring, yes it is, nobody will use this, yes they will, and then six thousand pages of bad economic theory." | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | this guy is fucking talented, it's almost like reading summaries produced by expert sluts! god. he's saving me a lot fo work! | [15:49] |
| shinohai: | I love this one "Hackernews wants it to use TLS, the better to paste passwords into it without feeling bad." | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile at burning-things, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3e09593149629679c9849ed70d8f59d0/tumblr_okfx2v5NvY1vj1zedo1_1280.jpg | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, last time mircea_popescu said instead http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620099 | [16:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-02-28 17:47 mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda lost interest once it was about shithead news. | [16:23] |
| Framedragger: | one can appreciate the whatever-order derivative, tho / the writing style, yknow | [16:33] |
| Framedragger: | goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good | [16:42] |
| * Framedragger | blows dust off old twitter bot account and uses some of that gas mask canister | [16:44] |
| shinohai: | The twitter complaints are actually hilarious "Can we stop linking to the n-gate HN stuff? The author's just generically contemptuous rather than having any real insight into HN culture" | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform hey, i take a while to rev up | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | hn culture ?! Ahahahaha | [16:51] |
| shinohai: | https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/842766766287740928 <<< full lulzy status from "Sekoority engineer @ Google" | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | if memory serves hearn was also merit washed as "something or the other" engineer at google. | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty obvious alphabet co. maintains a whole department of "usg cover provisioning" | [16:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rate matthrew garret -10 "former klout expert on paul graham". irredeemable shithead. | [16:56] |
| shinohai: | Yeah he was a Senior Software Engineer for the Alphabet agency xD | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty epic ninjashogun.com blog he has, too. | [16:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | midnightmagic: you plan to fix your connection anytime soon? | [17:37] |
| shinohai: | znc is too much necromancy for the lurkers | [17:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | shinohai: the interesting thing from my pov is that he had a stable connection forever | [17:40] |
| shinohai: | Of possible interest to mircea_popescu http://gloriap1948.blogspot.com/?zx=72d308457354f507 | [17:40] |
| shinohai: | Lifetime slavery, ftw! | [17:41] |
| * mircea_popescu | [tried to] watch emanuelle. holllllly shit pre-internet popculture is terrible. | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai meh, contracts. how the fuck is this supposed to work. | [18:23] |
| * shinohai | wanted to refer her to the Trilema article on the subject of contracts | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | jesus fuck it's lengthy. omfg. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | how about a new rule : fits in cunt. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | use traditional lead lettering. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | we'll leave the "who takes on 50yo new slave" as a question for the ages. | [18:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | shinohai could pimp her out | [18:30] |
| shinohai: | I suppose there was a shortage of youger, more nubile slaves in that particular region of Latin America. | [18:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | sez right there she'd be down | [18:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | there is also some tiny arbitrage opportunity available i must point out lock up the contract and then sell her off into improper slavery | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's just about no way you'll beat the stupid out of her head before she croaks. | [18:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | whore, not slave! | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes i dunno how much you partake of whores, but 50yos usually have to be special ordered. | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn't get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care. | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | 50yo whore is in a ditch somewhere, and her teeth in another ditch somewhere els.e | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in Church Today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1clidy4n61qbj78qo1_1280.jpg | [18:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | i register no objections | [18:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | holy mammaries buttman | [18:34] |
| shinohai: | Hail Mary! | [18:34] |
| ben_vulpes: | yeah i have nfi in re proper prostitutes | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | to continue the trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqi4h8YRfU1qd0ln0o1_1280.jpg | [18:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | haw | [18:35] |
| shinohai: | Neither does Atlanta, you should see some of the land whales billing themselves as "High-class escorts" | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | and, of course, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3jzrbzo9G1ru00mpo1_1280.jpg | [18:36] |
| shinohai: | "What sort of meat does a priest eat on Friday?" | [18:36] |
| shinohai: | Nun! | [18:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | hyu | [18:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | well if we're doing themes, i have my own set queued up | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:37] |
| * shinohai | rather enjoyed ben_vulpes doggy selctions | [18:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | in over-fucking-polished-and-is-that-a-vin-i-see's: http://its-about-the-car.tumblr.com/image/159185818055 | [18:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | shoot, gave away the game | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's a vin ? | [18:37] |
| ben_vulpes: | "vehicle identification number" | [18:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | serial for cars | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | a a | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so ? | [18:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | well the joke is that there are tits on display and i'm looking at the vin | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand ? | [18:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | "you don't need to have a good car to get tits all over it": http://68.media.tumblr.com/87c0ba72bd3f67142514e6d883499330/tumblr_onvrzukhQt1tpchrmo1_1280.jpg | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that a toyota ? | [18:39] |
| ben_vulpes: | mustang i think | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | toyota mustang ? | [18:39] |
| ben_vulpes: | yes | [18:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | toyota mustang | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i c | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least it's not a lexus. | [18:41] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh goddamn it this last one is buried in a megatonne of html horseshit | [18:41] |
| shinohai: | I like #2 best | [18:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg | [18:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" | [18:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | perhaps someone else can identify that car | [18:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | "hood fun": http://68.media.tumblr.com/52aa220519517830eec96a10ffd1f1e0/tumblr_onugg85C1Z1urwuzno1_1280.jpg | [18:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | "too much ego in post": http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d355017cf06f5716d7253345d0f50da/tumblr_onl3z3MtUv1tlqnkvo1_500.jpg | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | "professionals at work": http://68.media.tumblr.com/8163489294f27fca80a9c7280119d48e/tumblr_onl3y8Pgkg1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | "dat brat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/f44850d8bf7c57953f8e691de289ae26/tumblr_onl3y0ts3f1tk43c6o1_500.jpg | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | and for shinohai: http://68.media.tumblr.com/3c6ea2a713e6524fdbaad1cb6ab932fc/tumblr_onl3yiQs6u1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg | [18:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | that's it i'm out | [18:49] |
| shinohai: | Nice ben_vulpes I like a classic | [18:49] |
| shinohai: | !~ticker --market all | [19:03] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1137.71, vol: 7758.44578561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1131.987, vol: 8420.27383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1135.9, vol: 22860.53024689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1012.623348, vol: 8688.96410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1135.77, vol: 3348.20348884 | Volume-weighted last average: 1114.54988445 | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part. | [19:09] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other sad stories, mp goes to very well appointed market, purchases litany of items. notices chunks of discounted cheese floating around in tub of iced water | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | the items were discounted 25% and now had been discounted 75%! | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | mp can not possibly resist buying 75% discounted cheese to find out why and wherefore it might have so offended the locals. | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | mp takes the item home, and over a dish of oyster mushrooms lightly sauteed opens up the TRIPLE WRAPPED!!111 thing. | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | at which point the trouble starts | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no scent whatsoever. at all. no runny. no mold. the hunk of petrocheese is entirely undisturbed, as "fresh" as it was when it left the plant, five years ago or whatever. | [19:11] |
| shinohai: | Is this some of the queso blanco popular in that area ? | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think it's anything specifically. | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | same thing usg issues, im sure. | [19:14] |
| shinohai: | There is a Mexican lady here that makes best damned queso blanco I've ever had. I've already stocked up on like 3 wheels of it. | [19:15] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637449 << it's a porsche 911 from the last 10 years. 'tiptronic' trans (you can see the silver thumb paddled on the wheel, which were and are widely reviled) | [19:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 22:45 ben_vulpes: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg | [19:23] |
| pete_dushenski: | paddles* | [19:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | i never really figured out how one was supposed to shift while turning with paddles | [19:25] |
| pete_dushenski: | depends entirely on car | [19:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! | [19:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | first intentional loss of traction | [19:26] |
| pete_dushenski: | some cars (ferrari) have paddles mounted to the column so they're fixed regardless of wheel position. most others have the paddles fixed to the steering wheel proper and so they all move in unison. it's sort of a different strokes debate. | [19:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637461 << funny you should say that, the line around here of late has been "OBEDIENCE IS THE ONLY CRITERIA" | [19:27] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part. | [19:27] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" | [19:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | to which the smarter of the girls in circulation sasses back with "well what makes /you/ so worth obeying?" | [19:28] |
| pete_dushenski: | to which you reply ? | [19:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | stern glares, and a mark under her name on the whiteboard | [19:28] |
| shinohai: | Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money. | [19:29] |
| pete_dushenski: | devious, shinohai ! | [19:29] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: remind me, why's her name on the whiteboard to begin with ? | [19:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | more sass, duh | [19:30] |
| pete_dushenski: | aha | [19:30] |
| pete_dushenski: | sounds like sasser's paradise in cascadia | [19:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | the bids and asks are all right there in the order book | [19:31] |
| shinohai: | New mpex security: S.ASS | [19:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | more of a debt instrument | [19:33] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point. | [19:34] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 23:29 shinohai: Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money. | [19:34] |
| ben_vulpes: | and in other occlusions and hexagons: http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae93737a2c74237e5f555d7a055c90eb/tumblr_onwagxz5dQ1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg | [19:35] |
| pete_dushenski: | werd | [19:35] |
| shinohai: | Space pr0n | [19:36] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes | in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! << nice! i'm guessing this was on pavement but have you tried gravel drifting ? (it's a ton of fun and the lowest speed way to practise left-foot-braking) | [19:45] |
| * shinohai | likes gravel drifting induced by ripping up handbrake at speed ..... | [19:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | also works! | [19:47] |
| pete_dushenski: | though most cars of 'drift slut's' vintage have weakly engaging handbrakes unless it's been specifically addressed and repaired / replaced. | [19:48] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other golden oldies, "Warren Buffett’s face will appear on cans of Cherry Coke in China, an attempt by Coca-Cola Co. to capitalize on its biggest and most famous investor." | [19:53] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/04/hussein-bahamas-advisor-susan-rice-fingered-as-surveillance-to-political-operatives-conduit/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Advisor Susan Rice Fingered As Surveillance To Political Operatives Conduit | [19:54] |
| pete_dushenski: | hopefully they don't skimp on the photochopping. | [19:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | In Qntra submitter guidance: If writing on fake news, Jeff Bezos has owned WaPo long enough to be namedropped as a Fake News Tycoon | [19:55] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://www.gereports.com/object-sprayed-worlds-blackest-material-freaking-us/ << ok vantablack is fucking cool. makes me want to paint trb node with it. 'capable of absorbing 99.96% of ultraviolet, visible, and infrared light' | [20:01] |
| shinohai: | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lCsRKUAAE1n-2.jpg 82 bids ffs | [20:04] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637383 << this is same guy http://sciops.net | [20:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 20:42 Framedragger: goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol ben_vulpes running his kindergarten with proper red/black stars an errythang! | [20:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf advertising cat-v ? o.O | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://sciops.net/images/canwait.jpg | [20:19] |
| CompanionCube: | ' The Cable.co.uk poll of 2,000 UK adults – the first of its kind since the Westminster attack – found that 66% believe the ability of intelligence agencies to intercept messages between terrorist plotters is more valuable than the digital privacy of the population as a whole.' 'More than half (51%) said they would feel safer if WhatsApp and other messaging services were unencrypted because message sent | [20:20] |
| CompanionCube: | by terrorists could potentially be picked up by police.' Today's standard British idiocy. | [20:20] |
| asciilifeform: | believe moar 'polls'. | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637496 << how does that work? | [20:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-04 23:34 pete_dushenski: in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point. | [20:38] |
| Framedragger: | phf: ah, ty! | [20:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | if anyone had asked the uktards anything it'd even make a difference what they thought. | [21:00] |
| * CompanionCube | is a uktard but doesn't particularly like it. There's not exactly much to like at the moment. | [21:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | my sympathies. | [22:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Works because expensive safety shit is in vulnerable areas and costs much to fix. | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | aand in today's random lulz, http://poeticdesires.com/2017/02/1-29-17-reparations/ | [22:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | tldr tedious poetess grabs some bread and meat for the ancestors. reparations, bitch!!1 | [22:33] |
| shinohai: | I have met camgirls that play on this reparations thing ...gotta make dem white bois squeal | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, if it works... | [22:38] |
| shinohai: | Whether it be Aunt Jemimah or Anti-Semitic Russians, long as I get mine. | [22:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh in other lulz : archive.is apparently purged all trilema saves older than sept 2016. | [22:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i somehow don't believe that thing actually works as long term archiving anymore. | [22:41] |
| shinohai: | O.o | [22:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. or else it's an indexing problem. ancient links seem to work. | [22:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://archive.is/M2wff for instance. | [22:42] |
| * lobbes | smells a tmsr archive server in the future | [23:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | kindergarten ouch | [23:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | hey how about this for a "txouts for later use in baking transactions" serialization format: textfile <tx_hash>, with contents <value block_height output_index> | [23:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | davout, trinque, mod6, mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, diana_coman, phf, jurov ^^ | [23:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: this for wallets? | [23:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | "wallets" | [23:26] |
| ben_vulpes: | eg produce some data a user can use on an entirely separate box to make and sign txns for rebroadcast however | [23:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | oop meat bbl | [23:27] |
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