Forum logs for 01 Jun 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: wb [00:12]
mircea_popescu: ty [00:14]
mircea_popescu: i see they're sticking to the whole "silk road did something" lulz. [00:14]
asciilifeform: also the 'nsa not involved, shuddupterrorists' lulz. [00:14]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo worx [00:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. [00:15]
BingoBoingo: In other news, appear to have successfully quit smoking. Last nicotine was Saturday at 1:15 PM. Turns out it works better if you wait until afterwards to announce to the world [00:16]
mircea_popescu: depends if you'd rather quit or just announce. [00:16]
BingoBoingo: Mostly just reallocate micromorts [00:18]
trinque: BingoBoingo: wd, did same a couple months ago. [00:23]
trinque: switched to a vape briefly, decided I didn't want a hot battery in my mouth. [00:41]
asciilifeform: trinque: they dun have a wall plug ?! [00:43]
BingoBoingo: Almost all vape setups use lithium ion firehazard [00:46]
* BingoBoingo disqualified vape thing in planning latest run because still preserves active nicotine addiction [00:48]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-469163.txt [01:47]
mod6: mornin' [10:20]
trinque: hey mod6 how goes it [10:24]
mod6: alright, how 'bout you? [10:24]
trinque: just fine, sqlating away. [10:25]
mod6: aha. [10:28]
mod6: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-30-may-2017#2288572 << so I should *not* be seeing a reoccurance of 'ff fd' throughout my entropy output files right? [11:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 17:07 asciilifeform: the preponderance of 0xff 0xfd etc is screaming hint [11:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ihPkP/?raw=true [11:27]
asciilifeform: mod6: usage -- ./hist.py foo.bin [11:28]
asciilifeform: a 1G , say, sample, should have nearly flat histogram [11:28]
asciilifeform: and moreover, a quite different one each 1G [11:28]
asciilifeform: (numerically) [11:28]
asciilifeform: first test however is always 'ent', you can see in pete_dushenski's sample that ent immediately produces barf [11:29]
asciilifeform: ( histograms, you will want when trying to learn what it was that you broke in your setup ) [11:32]
asciilifeform: will reveal, e.g., 'smart,helpful' unix that drops 'in-band control' octets. [11:32]
asciilifeform: or line endings, etc. [11:32]
asciilifeform: it is astonishingly tricky to get raw bytes UNMOLESTED into and out of a 'modern pc'. [11:35]
mod6: I'll run your py script here... [11:35]
mod6: but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true [11:35]
asciilifeform: mod6: still dealing with the bsd thing ? [11:35]
asciilifeform: !~calc 1095455232 / 65536 [11:36]
asciilifeform: !~calc 1095455232 / 65536 [11:36]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 1095455232 / 65536 = 16715.3203125 [11:36]
mod6: i went back to my linux output entropy files to see about the 'ff fd' thing I'm really jammed up on openbsd. and that's a different side-quest we can discuss later. but now i'm wondering about the flow-control/output from collections done on linux [11:36]
asciilifeform: !~calc 1372938752 / 65536 [11:36]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 1372938752 / 65536 = 20949.3828125 [11:37]
asciilifeform: !~calc 1190905856 / 65536 [11:37]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 1190905856 / 65536 = 18171.78125 [11:37]
asciilifeform: ^ expected values for count of a bioctet, in your case 'ff fd' [11:37]
asciilifeform: nothing particularly interesting here. [11:38]
asciilifeform: ( if there were, you would fail dieharder's 'birthdays' test at the very least. ) [11:38]
mod6: got it. [11:38]
asciilifeform: sorta the point of 'ent', 'dieharder', etc. is so as not to have to do these by hand. [11:39]
asciilifeform: but it helps to remember what the idea is. [11:39]
mod6: makes sense, i think it was worth covering this though -- wanted to be sure that I have one solid test-bed. [11:39]
asciilifeform: the perhaps worst 'test' ~of a working rng in particular~ is to look at the hex with naked eye [11:40]
asciilifeform: you will see 'dragons in the clouds'. [11:40]
mod6: so back to the bsd-side-quest.... i built `coreutils 8.21' on my openbsd box. now have `gdd` on there. which has a 'fullblock' iflag. [11:40]
asciilifeform: mod6: try plain old 'cat' [11:40]
asciilifeform: if your cat disconnects -- you have flowcontrol on. [11:41]
asciilifeform: and are getting liquishit. [11:41]
asciilifeform: if it happily hangs on for minutes, hours, days -- it probably works. [11:41]
asciilifeform: cat /dev/whatever > foo.bin & [11:41]
mod6: ok. am trying. will report. [11:42]
mod6: (running ./hist.py against my FG#1 output files...) [11:44]
asciilifeform: these from linux or bsd ? [11:44]
asciilifeform: plz to describe the entire setup [11:44]
mod6: im running the ./hist.py on a linux environment amd64 [11:53]
asciilifeform: yes but where was the input collected [11:53]
asciilifeform: and how [11:53]
mod6: check my previous paste [11:54]
asciilifeform: ( 'fg plugged into usb hub powered from wall 5v plug, amd crapteron 7.7ghz running shithead linux' etc [11:54]
asciilifeform: ) [11:54]
asciilifeform: aite [11:54]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664123 << this ? [11:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 15:35 mod6: but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true [11:55]
mod6: root@trb-dev:/home/mod6/fg1# stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok [11:55]
mod6: root@trb-dev:/home/mod6/fg1# dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg1.bin [11:55]
asciilifeform: yes, but this did not tell me ~on what~ [11:55]
mod6: yeah, they were collected on linux as such ^ [11:55]
asciilifeform: ok [11:55]
mod6: yup, np. [11:55]
mod6: running next hist.py.. one sec. [11:56]
* asciilifeform does not recommend the histogram thing as a firstline test, it was written as diagnostic to ferret out broken os [11:56]
asciilifeform: y'know, the kind that drop specific octets. [11:56]
mod6: and yah, this setup is without usbhub. [11:56]
mod6: it's USB-TTL direct plugged into machine, wired with the 5v, out, & gnd [11:57]
asciilifeform: btw if mod6 wants a mega-useful sequel to his tests, he can buy a https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236128024.jpg and try battery run [11:57]
asciilifeform: ( 6v is entirely ok ) [11:58]
asciilifeform: ( be sure to tie together the battery-minux and the ground on the usb dongle ) [11:58]
asciilifeform: *minus [11:58]
asciilifeform: fwiw i did a 1G of this on ~one~ particular unit and found no significant differences [11:59]
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform has somewhat unusually clean (double-converting sinusoid ups) power [11:59]
mod6: instead of the battery pack, can I just use my Dr. Meter DC PS? [12:00]
asciilifeform: nope [12:00]
asciilifeform: you want specifically guaranteed-nonrippling dc [12:00]
asciilifeform: which only comes out of battery. [12:00]
asciilifeform: (which has no physical means of rippling) [12:00]
mod6: isn't that what the Dr. Meter does? you set it to 5v and it's g2g. i've verified with multimeter (Fluke) that it does spit out what it says it spits out. [12:01]
asciilifeform: by same token your comp is also 'ideal dc' [12:01]
asciilifeform: the other factor, aside from ac mains ripple , is rf ( from the power path being of any appreciable length ) from environment [12:02]
mod6: but the battery cell is somehow better for this test? [12:02]
mod6: ah. hmm. ok [12:02]
asciilifeform: even supposing desk ps supplied ideal dc -- still yes : length of path. [12:02]
asciilifeform: aha. [12:02]
mod6: gotcha, i'll look at getting one of those. [12:03]
asciilifeform: it is likely that you have one somewhere in the house already [12:03]
mod6: here's the hist.py from FG1, run 2: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/04373/?raw=true [12:03]
asciilifeform: mod6: looks quite ordinary [12:04]
asciilifeform: now do it to what you got on the bsd box [12:05]
asciilifeform: (prepare barf bag) [12:05]
mod6: ah. haha, ok. [12:05]
mod6: cat is still running... [12:06]
asciilifeform: gotta compare samples of ~same size. [12:06]
asciilifeform: ideally. [12:06]
mod6: looks like it got 20561 bytes [12:06]
asciilifeform: yeah definitely b0rked [12:06]
mod6: shit, no python on here. [12:06]
asciilifeform: if box is misbauded, it will pick up a byte solely by accident, when it gets something that looks like it has the start and stop bits [12:07]
asciilifeform: every however many ppm [12:07]
asciilifeform: and it'll pick up something with most of the 1s stuck on. [12:07]
mod6: hm. ok [12:07]
mod6: here's the output from hist.py FG#1, run 3: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DwunV/?raw=true (on linux box) [12:08]
asciilifeform: http://man.openbsd.org/ldattach.8 << try re flowcontrol on bsd [12:09]
asciilifeform: mod6: running these on items that already passed diehard is waste of time [12:09]
asciilifeform: it is specifically for diagnosing catastrophically broken setup [12:09]
mod6: yup, just was gonna do those three. wont litter the logs any more with those. [12:10]
mod6: will look at ldattach.8, thanks! [12:10]
asciilifeform: it's a 'wtf, ent thinks pi equals 2, wat gives' tool. [12:10]
mod6: i think from this little exercise that I can conclude that my tests, on linux, did exactly what they should have done. [12:12]
asciilifeform: incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface [12:12]
asciilifeform: ( usb is not a 'serial interface' at all but a massive tub of liquishit, with bookcase-sized spec ) [12:12]
asciilifeform: 'synchronous serial' is simply a thing like rs232 but with 2nd pin, for clock, and then machine knows when to read off the bits. [12:13]
asciilifeform: it is how , e.g., ps/2 kbd/mouse port worked. ( however it was never turned into a general-purpose item ) [12:14]
jurov: iirc rs232 does support optional clock signal? [12:19]
asciilifeform: handshake (flow control) [12:19]
asciilifeform: not same thing [12:19]
asciilifeform: it still 'cares' what the baud rate is [12:19]
asciilifeform: true synchronous bus -- does not. [12:19]
asciilifeform: ( async-with-handshake simply does 'if i don't get handshake, i won't send' ) [12:20]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/01/car-shopping-buy-used-or-lease-new/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Car shopping? Buy used or lease new?? [12:21]
asciilifeform: coming next: benjie-ignition-light-fireplace-or-light-cigar !1111 [12:22]
asciilifeform: 'The newest Lexusesiv in particular have the most (Hashem-) forsaken hvac/audio computer systems WITH A MOUSE.' << lol!!! [12:23]
asciilifeform: where does mouse pad go, pete_dushenski ? [12:23]
asciilifeform: on steering wheel ?? [12:23]
pete_dushenski: you joke but laptop-style 'mousepads' are the next 'big thing' in automotive interior design. they're generally placed aft of the gear shifter in the horizontal area of the centre console. [12:29]
pete_dushenski: and lmao benjie ignition indeed [12:29]
asciilifeform: does it also keyboard [12:30]
asciilifeform: so you can ctrl-alt-del [12:30]
jurov: butt joystick [12:30]
asciilifeform: ^ these are commercial items! just ask bigphysics-pr-man hawking [12:31]
pete_dushenski: seats already have built-in massage (shiatsu!) so no reason not to used relaxed butt muscle for quantum thinking [12:34]
pete_dushenski: worx great because plebs don't use keyboards anyways. too ON THE GOGOGO. because mobility-oriented donchaknow. [12:36]
trinque: mouse pad holy shit. [12:37]
trinque: I will never buy a car that has enough computer in it to use such a thing. [12:37]
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what 1980s folx said re fuel injection [12:37]
pete_dushenski: this is actualy the legacy of the whole gay right movement innit : everyone and their dog is *-oriented. such human social progress this advent. [12:37]
asciilifeform: eventually you either buy it or learn to machine parts for your vintage auto. [12:37]
trinque: apparently I'm going to have to stockpile <=2010 tundras next to my g5 macs [12:37]
asciilifeform: i know a fella who owns hundreds of 1950s-70s autos [12:38]
asciilifeform: but nobody collects 2000s, afaik, pieces o'shit. [12:38]
asciilifeform: not maintainable. [12:38]
trinque: incorrect. 2000s toyota tundras are beastly, reliable machines [12:38]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: au contraire http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/28/the-contemporary-classic-car-phenomenon-explained/ [12:39]
asciilifeform: ( you will get new comp for them where ? new chemical sensors ? ) [12:39]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: speaking here of street, rather than race, cars [12:39]
asciilifeform: the kind that get inspected & licensed [12:39]
pete_dushenski: these are!!1 [12:39]
asciilifeform: trinque did mention toyota, not mclauren. [12:40]
trinque: these I don't know why anyone would buy, unless he has the money to buy the manufacturer when he wants something. [12:40]
pete_dushenski: anyways, parts are plentiful, just at a more macro level (ie whole gauge cluster) because microparts fizzle (like my gpu this week actually) [12:41]
asciilifeform: trinque: my thought was that if you want that toyota to run in 2040 you will probably have to buy the factory that made the, e.g., oxygen sensors, ignition comp, whatever digital crud (and its analogue tendrils) that the thing demands in order to run [12:41]
asciilifeform: unless you want to fit a 1980s motor in there. [12:41]
asciilifeform: (cuba-style) [12:41]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'parts plentiful' while junkyard still has'em, and then suddenly goes to 0 [12:42]
pete_dushenski: that's easily 3-4 decades though [12:43]
trinque: but it's a fair point you'll otherwise have to buy the coke machine on wheels [12:43]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 3-4 decades of 'at any price' availability, likely. probably no more than 1-2 at economical-price. [12:43]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but you did shift the goalposts a fair but there : 'inspected & licensed' quickly became 'only toyota'. problem ? [12:44]
asciilifeform: ( one that doesn't drive you to consider a new auto ) [12:44]
pete_dushenski: omg be less poor then [12:44]
pete_dushenski: IT SOLVES EVERYTHING [12:44]
trinque: look in 2040, if bitcoin doesn't sling enough dick that there are sane parts to be had, better seppuku [12:44]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't comment on the autos of 'less poor' folx, never bought mclauren parts. [12:44]
trinque: sane whole machines even [12:44]
asciilifeform: but i have scrapped autos when parts replacement became -ev [12:44]
pete_dushenski: trinque: bingo. [12:45]
asciilifeform: ordinary, workaday plebe autos. [12:45]
asciilifeform: trinque: mechanical expiration date of bitcoin-as-we-have-it is well earlier. [12:45]
trinque: really meant $republic there. [12:46]
pete_dushenski: could be $ethereum! which has HALF the market cap of bitcoin donchaknow [12:46]
trinque: oh christ, no, I didn't mean that [12:46]
trinque: lol [12:46]
pete_dushenski: haha [12:46]
pete_dushenski: wtf kind a braindeads are pumping eth to these levels anyways. do govs really have that much fiat left to wash trade with ? [12:48]
trinque: fiat-demonimated "market cap" can be whatever fiat says, eh? [12:49]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's called printolade for a reason... [12:49]
mod6: yah, usgprintolade => eth [12:50]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see paste in earlier thread, re your bsd box [12:52]
pete_dushenski: !~google printolade [12:52]
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/> NEXT: 26-02-2016 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/%3Fdate%3D26-02-2016> Trilema - Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2016-04-01-logs-trilema.txt> [12:52]
* pete_dushenski wonders what was etymology of 'printolade'. it's a great term!1 [12:53]
asciilifeform: well, it's crapolade that comes out of a printer [12:53]
pete_dushenski: lol that then begs the questions where 'crapolade' came from [12:55]
pete_dushenski: all these from asciilifeform 's fertile mind ? [12:55]
asciilifeform: i won't take credit for crapolade ( picture marmalade from liquishit, say ) but have nfi where heard it. [12:55]
phf: naggum? [12:58]
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=crapolade&sort=of << not afaik [12:58]
asciilifeform: imho the correct implication, is excrement-packaged-for-human-consumption, rather than just any ol' pile-o'shit [12:59]
* trinque figured it came straight from asciilifeform's nightmares [13:00]
asciilifeform: from daily life, unfortunately. [13:00]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this the paste you're refering to for bsd box ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664112 [13:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 15:27 asciilifeform: mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ihPkP/?raw=true [13:01]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha, see entire thread. [13:02]
pete_dushenski: just catching up on it [13:02]
pete_dushenski: bbl [13:08]
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, and continuing thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664215 -- it'd make print-rsakey-on-cardboard simpler, also, to read off [13:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:12 asciilifeform: incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface [13:18]
asciilifeform: ( put spiral down, with clock and data tracks, read with 2 photodiodes and spindle similar to record player ) [13:18]
asciilifeform: imho a means of reliably reading 16 or so kBytes from a business card, would be quite useful. [13:19]
asciilifeform: ( and, importantly , optically, rather than promisetronically ) [13:19]
asciilifeform: it'd be even more jawdroppingly spiffy if i could get 16kB cut into a rubber stamp ! [13:20]
asciilifeform: ( such that it'd be READABLE 100% of the time ) [13:20]
asciilifeform: ROMs readable (and if you ever must : WRITABLE) with unarmed eye, and bare hands, respectively, are a long-term must, imho. [13:23]
asciilifeform: will be quite handy for mass dissemination of 'illegal bits' when time comes. [13:25]
asciilifeform: http://blog.liw.fi/posts/qr-backup << state of the art unsatisfying, because no raptor code [13:37]
asciilifeform: ( ideally you oughta be able to smudge most of the image and still recover payload ) [13:38]
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, https://pthree.org/2014/08/18/whats-the-matter-with-pgp [13:40]
asciilifeform: ^ surprisingly nonidiotic response to a popular schneierism going around at the time [13:41]
Framedragger: https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious/ mr. maciej acquires delicious, i like dis. [13:42]
asciilifeform: lol, delicious?! the ancient bookmark-storage thing no one's used in ~decade ?! [13:43]
* Framedragger has > 3k bookmarks on delicious [13:43]
Framedragger: yepyep. [13:43]
Framedragger: "As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon. Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web." [13:43]
* asciilifeform thought that it had long ago disappeared without a trace [13:44]
trinque: archiving it would've been cheaper. [13:44]
Framedragger: related (longer article) https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/03/anatomy_of_a_crushing/ [13:44]
asciilifeform: doesn't load [13:45]
Framedragger: i think he had some sentiments for delicious users, + perhaps expects some of them to migrate to his paid service. who knows [13:45]
asciilifeform: ( which is extra lulzy for folx who want me to pay'em to store my bits !! ) [13:45]
Framedragger: loads fine here... root cert is "USERTrust RSA" CA, then gandi [13:46]
Framedragger: !$getarchive https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/03/anatomy_of_a_crushing/ [13:46]
scriba: Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/jpma (this was archived by scriba: yes) [13:46]
Framedragger: (hm, "archived by scriba" should say "no", will investigate) [13:47]
Framedragger: !$getarchive https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious/ [13:47]
scriba: Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/cRADs (this was archived by scriba: yes) [13:47]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: oh, or did you mean delicious.com? yeah seems offline [13:48]
Framedragger: not sure if delicious.com was acquired (maybe only del.icio.us). anyway, sorry for spam [13:54]
asciilifeform: i must admit that i dun see the appeal, Framedragger [13:56]
asciilifeform: continuing the optical code thing, i have a possible pill : [14:03]
asciilifeform: if you make a ~two~-diode reader, you can make it ignore 'unstraight' (from its pov) bars. and this opens you up to a method : [14:03]
asciilifeform: take payload, cut into J pieces, which turn into K, K > J raptorola packets ( each with simple checksum, so machine can ignore smudges ) [14:04]
asciilifeform: these are scattered randomly onto the page at random angles, can even overlap. [14:04]
asciilifeform: reading simply consists of waving the wand across the page, in various directions, for as many swipes as it takes. [14:04]
asciilifeform: !!up pauloio [14:05]
deedbot: pauloio voiced for 30 minutes. [14:05]
ben_vulpes: heftily neat idea asciilifeform [14:07]
jurov: http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ might fit 16kB [14:07]
ben_vulpes: girthy, even [14:07]
jurov: but not using rubber stamp [14:07]
asciilifeform: useless [14:07]
asciilifeform: ~0 redundancy, and insists on high res [14:07]
asciilifeform: EXACTLY opposite of what it want [14:08]
asciilifeform: any idiot can make this. [14:08]
asciilifeform: *i wanted [14:08]
asciilifeform: 'hurr durr turn each bit into pixel' mno. [14:08]
asciilifeform: if you can't put it on rubber stamp -- it sux. if can't print on business card in b&w -- useless. if won't read after a week glued to a light pole -- useless. if won't read after bullet hole in it -- useless. etc [14:09]
asciilifeform: a business card printed on a very spartan (100 'dpi' ) press , gives what, 350 x 200 b&w pixels [14:14]
asciilifeform: !~calc 350*200 / 8 [14:14]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 350*200 / 8 = 8750 [14:14]
asciilifeform: bytes [14:15]
asciilifeform: in theory [14:15]
asciilifeform: and it has 2 sides, so x2 [14:15]
asciilifeform: after , say, 1/4 redundancy, [14:15]
asciilifeform: !~calc 8750*2 * 0.75 [14:15]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 8750*2 * 0.75 = 13125 [14:15]
asciilifeform: kBytes ! of theoretical capacity [14:15]
ben_vulpes: notbad! [14:16]
asciilifeform: ikr? [14:16]
ben_vulpes: neat tradecraft device [14:17]
asciilifeform: plenty of room for a 8192bit rsa pubkey, say, and a little bit of signed material, and sig [14:17]
asciilifeform: say. [14:17]
asciilifeform: if storing less -- can put in correspondingly moar redundancy. [14:18]
asciilifeform: or can leave one side for human text. [14:19]
mod6: cool [14:19]
asciilifeform: pretty basic, mod6 [14:19]
asciilifeform: and imho one ought to have graffitiable pubkeys. [14:19]
asciilifeform: ( fuck 'fingerprints' with a running pole saw . ) [14:20]
mod6: haha [14:20]
ben_vulpes: and how [14:23]
shinohai: !!up pauloio [14:23]
deedbot: pauloio voiced for 30 minutes. [14:23]
asciilifeform: the mega-achievement would be not only to encode these, but to read WITHOUT a high end camera & special optics [14:28]
asciilifeform: but rather with 'ancestral' (photodiode or two) stick. [14:29]
asciilifeform: to move the complexity into proggy. [14:29]
* shinohai has old cmos camera around here somewhere .... [14:29]
asciilifeform: shinohai: they're ~useless at the necessary distance, typically. [14:30]
shinohai: Bummer [14:31]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664218 << ps/2 yeah. what dfo you mean not general purpose ? [14:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:14 asciilifeform: it is how , e.g., ps/2 kbd/mouse port worked. ( however it was never turned into a general-purpose item ) [14:39]
asciilifeform: doesn't really work for non-keyboard, non-mouse [14:39]
asciilifeform: ( there were attempts but pc arch made it very painful to do this ) [14:40]
asciilifeform: you will notice, there is no /dev/ps2 you could 'cat' from on linux box. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664239 << think of it more like "getting a car attached" than "buying". [14:40]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:37 trinque: I will never buy a car that has enough computer in it to use such a thing. [14:40]
asciilifeform: ealy macs, interestingly, actually had synchronous serial. [14:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this never occured to me somehow [14:41]
asciilifeform: *early [14:41]
mircea_popescu: wtf happened to ps2 jesus [14:41]
asciilifeform: nothing happened.. i have ps/2 jacks on my systems [14:41]
* mircea_popescu still buys ps2 kbd/mouse to this day, but theyve apparently become rare [14:41]
asciilifeform: they're a sweet dream to interface to/from microcontroller, also [14:42]
asciilifeform: quite unlike usb. [14:42]
asciilifeform: kHz bauds protocol that fits on a napkin. [14:42]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664275 << and the fucktards actually say that with a straight5 face. [14:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:46 pete_dushenski: could be $ethereum! which has HALF the market cap of bitcoin donchaknow [14:44]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664279 << it's very easy to get a bunch of "consensus"-oriented, state-compliant dork with no money to agree to anything, no matter how nonsensical it is. it's not expensive, either, that's why said dorks are the wet dream of any socialism. [14:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:48 pete_dushenski: wtf kind a braindeads are pumping eth to these levels anyways. do govs really have that much fiat left to wash trade with ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: and that's why stabbing them in the neck "for no reason" and "that was totally uncalled for" while they're riding the state car is the ~best way to serve the republic. [14:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22crapolade%22&page=3 << early usage, all alf. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664313 << that also went nowhere, heh. [14:50]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 17:41 asciilifeform: ^ surprisingly nonidiotic response to a popular schneierism going around at the time [14:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664318 << this naive belief that the detritus of human horde existence has specific value per quanta is how most old jews (ie, nonstupiud, nonpoor, alone republicans, see http://trilema.com/the-pawnbroker ) finally spend (ie, return to the socialist empire) their accumulated capital. [14:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 17:43 Framedragger: "As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon. Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web." [14:54]
mircea_popescu: it is a false notion. there is no value in the herds other than of usage. unless you're using the sheep, the libertards, to spin some wheel, they are 0, not epsilon. [14:55]
Framedragger: i think there was an altruistic / sentimental component, so the case cannot be reduced the above, which (on its own) of course stands (i.e. agree fully) [14:56]
Framedragger: to the* [14:56]
mircea_popescu: sure. by the time republican's lived his lifetime in exile without the republic, what's he to do ? pile it up and burn it all ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu: i confess was my intent. [14:58]
mircea_popescu: "oh, can't take it with you" "wanna bet ? fucking imbecile lazy schoolboy, oh what's the teacher gonna do, flunk all of us. you'd better fucking believe it, what!" [14:59]
* asciilifeform never graduated to having this problem, and so never wasted cycles considering it, just as he does not stop to think 'game plan!111' of 'what do do when on mars' [14:59]
asciilifeform: *to do [15:00]
mircea_popescu: there are many blessings! [15:00]
* Framedragger agrees. solitary republicanism not viable [15:00]
Framedragger: solitary and/or solipsistic (where person assumes there is no republic) [15:01]
mircea_popescu: something like that [15:01]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is viable only in the very restricted sense of the jp legend of the d00d who swallowed a stone ahead of his beheading so as to chip the sword [15:01]
mircea_popescu: ha. what an idea. [15:02]
asciilifeform: i suppose europe's equiv to this was the old story that marie & louis supposedly didn't shit for a week prior to heads-off [15:03]
asciilifeform: so as to make massive heap on the guillotine [15:04]
mircea_popescu: i never heard this one. [15:04]
asciilifeform: i have nfi where i got it [15:06]
asciilifeform: folk tale, is all. [15:06]
mod6: evenin' [20:25]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/01/the-ethereum-market-cap-fallacy/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Ethereum market cap fallacy. [20:30]
phf: compiling cyrtex for plain tex, errors out. google gives [20:47]
phf: “e-TeX is assumed nowadays by everything other than 'pure' plain TeX. AS [20:47]
phf: such, the \numexpr primitive is used by some of the hyphenation patterns [20:47]
phf: built into the LaTeX format by babel. ” etc. [20:47]
mod6: "In his paper, Pearson gave several interesting examples of the previous misuse of statistics and he also proved that certain runs at roulette (which he had experienced during two weeks at Monte Carlo in 1892) were so far from the expected frequencies that odds against the assumption of an honest wheel were some 10^29 to one!" [20:51]
mod6: -knuth, art of programming vol. 2. seminumerical algos [20:52]
asciilifeform: mod6: possibly earliest properly logical unmasking of sham rng [20:56]
asciilifeform: ( though... b. pascal might contend for the title ) [20:56]
asciilifeform: phf: yes it's wormy [20:57]
asciilifeform: the maggots have been eating it for decades. [20:57]
asciilifeform: but you knew that. [20:57]
phf: right, i had reddit knowledge of it, but now i'm trying to get a nice hardcopy of a book that i only have in text, and i'm rapidly gaining tmsr knowledge of just how rotten it is [20:58]
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html [21:02]
asciilifeform: oh hey. [21:03]
mod6: just throwing a matrix together of all the test data. [21:03]
asciilifeform: mod6: mind if i link to this from snsa? [21:05]
mod6: not at all. [21:06]
asciilifeform: ty for this work, mod6 [21:07]
asciilifeform: now if other FG-enabled folx would do same ! [21:07]
shinohai: I am not exactly enabled yet but will be putting in the work asap [21:08]
mod6: asciilifeform: np! [21:10]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...4057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.247 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX) [21:29]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...2633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.247 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX) [21:29]
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com updated ! [21:42]
mod6: asciilifeform: cool! [21:50]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU) [21:55]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1609...9637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU) [21:55]
mircea_popescu: phf "nowadays" rapidly becoming ourdemocracy's chief dirty word. [22:00]
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach. [22:06]
mircea_popescu: the fucking chickens of the fucking democracy coops. [22:06]
* ben_vulpes on a particularly brutal gentoo quest [22:27]
ben_vulpes: buying a new video card just to slice a part of the possibility space off [22:28]
ben_vulpes: halfheartedly, entirely deflated dick in hand, bantuized the thing. worked, but...could not muster the spirit to continue with hardware so degraded [22:29]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: plox to expand? [23:15]
asciilifeform: meanwhile!! http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg [23:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatddayamean 'bed always within physical reach' [23:26]
asciilifeform: pr0n chix tend to photograph selves in... bed, newz at 11? [23:27]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: latest sojurn hung at "Booting the kernel." [23:29]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: describe on what [23:29]
asciilifeform: and which kernel [23:29]
ben_vulpes: intel i7, nvidia geforce 550 ti, and as for "which kernel" i do not properly know how to answer the question but built with CHOST="x86_64-gentoo-linux-gnu" [23:32]
asciilifeform: which bootloader? [23:33]
ben_vulpes: lilp [23:33]
ben_vulpes: lilo* [23:33]
ben_vulpes: VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" at least had the system booting, ="nouveau" hung as described [23:34]
asciilifeform: noveau afaik never worked. [23:34]
ben_vulpes: oh cool [23:34]
asciilifeform: ( at least on no iron asciilifeform ever tried ) [23:34]
asciilifeform: there is no opendrivered gpu worth half a shit [23:34]
asciilifeform: if you want a crypto-capable box, ditch the nvidia (and the intel) [23:35]
asciilifeform: otherwise swallow the liquishit from vendor. [23:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664455 << lol : fireworks shop [23:37]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 01:55 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU) [23:37]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not strictly speaking a "hygenic" box [23:40]
ben_vulpes: but i have at least managed to rid myself of the apple dep [23:40]
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