Forum logs for 31 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mats and the referenced op ed by Ambassador Edelman http://nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/americas-dangerous-bargain-with-turkey.html [00:11]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jr1QOv ) [00:11]
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asciilifeform !up sexy_saffron [00:46]
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trinque https://archive.is/lQart << mats: notably, the article was taken down. [00:47]
sexy_saffron echangekey [00:48]
assbot Why is Turkey supporting Islamic State fighters in Iraq?—commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2zdKW ) [00:48]
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trinque seems Turkey likes ISIS just fine [00:48]
trinque at least so long as they're a problem for Syria, maybe [00:48]
sexy_saffron ;;gpg eregister sexy_saffron 922837F6B1FC09A3 [00:49]
gribble Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. [00:49]
trinque sexy_saffron: are you trying to register for voice here? [00:50]
sexy_saffron I'm trying to register my GPG key [00:50]
sexy_saffron ;;bcauth sexy_saffron [00:51]
gribble Request successful for user sexy_saffron, hostmask sexy_saffron!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:409a509e51d1706626f4fbf803efd3850f8e1bf64f15464d6f0f01ad [00:51]
trinque assbot now has a separate WoT [00:51]
trinque !gettrust sexy_saffron [00:51]
assbot sexy_saffron is not registered in WoT. [00:51]
trinque !h [00:51]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [00:51]
sexy_saffron ;;bcverify HH1+7nv7kCPhzrnhTLK4AOuk0VjQ3f3+i6wM6sctJCCIdM69KEbvo1SbXHrbyDkXC6UfuiSFPHYZiviDhGt61/8= [00:52]
gribble You are now authenticated for user 'sexy_saffron' with address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT [00:52]
sexy_saffron ;;gpg eregister sexy_saffron 922837F6B1FC09A3 [00:52]
gribble Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. [00:52]
sexy_saffron >trinque I'm following the steps from the wiki, does that change the process? [00:53]
trinque yup, assbot's the one for auth here. [00:53]
trinque !register and !v [00:54]
assbot Nick trinque is already taken. [00:54]
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sexy_saffron !v [00:54]
assbot Need a decrypted verification string. [00:54]
sexy_saffron !register [00:55]
assbot You need to specify your key fingerprint. [00:55]
sexy_saffron !register 922837F6B1FC09A3 [00:55]
assbot That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. [00:55]
sexy_saffron hmmmm [00:55]
trinque that one you get with gpg --list-keys --fingerprint [00:55]
trinque it'll want it without spaces. [00:56]
sexy_saffron I don't have it registered yet though, how do I register it? [00:56]
mats give assbot the fingerprint its asking for. [00:57]
sexy_saffron do I have to upload my key to a server first? [00:59]
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trinque sexy_saffron: yup, needs to be uploaded so assbot can retrieve [01:00]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, [01:00]
asciilifeform 'v' is done. [01:00]
sexy_saffron gpg --list-keys --fingerprint [01:01]
sexy_saffron ;;gpg --list-keys --fingerprint [01:01]
gribble Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--list-keys" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin. [01:01]
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sexy_saffron !register D170 2BB1 EE05 7FAA 3ED1 34AA 9228 37F6 B1FC 09A3 [01:03]
assbot That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. [01:03]
BingoBoingo no spaces this time [01:04]
BingoBoingo Sweet asciilifeform [01:04]
sexy_saffron !register D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3 [01:04]
assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3. This may take a few moments. [01:04]
assbot Key B1FC09A3 / "Saffron Bacchus " successfully imported. [01:04]
assbot Registration successful. [01:04]
sexy_saffron woo! [01:05]
BingoBoingo congrats [01:05]
sexy_saffron thank you! [01:06]
BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.sexy_saffron.1:2c59b99541364a01369da6c4cab948cf90b5ce847dd87a623e75c7d93883c776 [01:06]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: not so new blood [01:06]
sexy_saffron if assbot has a separate WoT from gribble, does that mean it won't show up on my bitcoin-otc profile? [01:06]
sexy_saffron brb [01:07]
BingoBoingo to be determined, but for the meantime yes [01:07]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail. [01:11]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:11]
* asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K. [01:11]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu unfortunately i have not had time to write a manual. let's see if you can figure out how it works. [01:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:14]
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mircea_popescu hola [01:18]
mircea_popescu hey sexy_saffron how's the internet treatin' ya [01:19]
mircea_popescu !rate sexy_saffron 1 Ask to see her tits. [01:20]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/916dd348b3aaba07 [01:20]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sexy_saffron.1:e5782c5ebf0f642efa5e359659b5e9b9f9eda46115e2ff1e6fce817f507f4e6e [01:20]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: Ask to see her tits. [01:20]
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mircea_popescu sexy_saffron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/not-found/?nick=sexy_saffron < you'll be there tomorrow. [01:20]
assbot WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgEB47 ) [01:21]
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mircea_popescu mats isn't this how us middle east politics have been playing out since the 50s ? [01:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ! [01:22]
mircea_popescu ? [01:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256855 [01:22]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 04:09:36; *: asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K. [01:22]
mircea_popescu yea... [01:23]
mircea_popescu gettin' to it ey. [01:23]
asciilifeform l0l [01:23]
mats mircea_popescu: yep. one step forward, two steps back [01:24]
mircea_popescu pickle_support.o << lulz of all time tbh [01:25]
asciilifeform dear satan [01:25]
asciilifeform is that from mine [01:25]
asciilifeform in terms of packages, it needs 'python-gnupg' and that's it [01:25]
asciilifeform (and notably NOT 'gnupg', if you have that one installed it will croak) [01:26]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FKDWVR ? [01:32]
assbot dpaste: 1FKDWVR ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgFgT8 ) [01:32]
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mircea_popescu !up sexy_saffron [01:42]
-assbot- You voiced sexy_saffron for 30 minutes. [01:42]
* assbot gives voice to sexy_saffron [01:42]
mircea_popescu see if you can self-voice. [01:42]
sexy_saffron !up [01:42]
sexy_saffron !up sexy_saffron [01:42]
mircea_popescu gotta say it in private message to assbot. /query assbot [01:42]
sexy_saffron it says successful! :) [01:42]
mircea_popescu well done! [01:43]
mircea_popescu so how've you been ? [01:43]
sexy_saffron Thank you! [01:43]
sexy_saffron I've been great, how about you? [01:43]
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mircea_popescu idem [01:43]
sexy_saffron col [01:44]
sexy_saffron cool [01:44]
mircea_popescu hey, do you play videogames ? [01:44]
sexy_saffron yes [01:44]
mircea_popescu ever consider doing one of those "naked saffron reviews videogames" things ? [01:45]
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sexy_saffron that would be cool, but I'm mostly into older games [01:45]
mircea_popescu that only makes it better. [01:46]
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sexy_saffron UT2003, wow, elite force... [01:46]
mircea_popescu new games suck anyway [01:46]
sexy_saffron I suppose I could do gameplay vids on our private wow server, showing all the bugs :P [01:46]
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sexy_saffron youtube hates me though :P [01:47]
mircea_popescu and then you could have a vote button, let the readers vote on whether you should be spanked or not for the review. [01:47]
mircea_popescu one vote = one paddle. [01:47]
mircea_popescu ah, talk to naphex, he'd prolly host it [01:47]
sexy_saffron that would be a fun way to use coloured coins :P [01:47]
thestringpuller sexy_saffron: but I'm mostly into older games << care to name a few? [01:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256880 << fire at will [01:48]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FKDWVR ? [01:48]
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sexy_saffron dennis and I like to play lan games together, like UT2003, minecraft, call of duty mw, our wow server [01:49]
sexy_saffron and lots of ipad games :P [01:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i change it you'll have to resign ? [01:49]
mircea_popescu i mean re-sign lol [01:49]
asciilifeform i will [01:50]
asciilifeform while you're at it, try... running it [01:50]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what makes you think i personally run software [01:50]
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asciilifeform mebbe this is one of those magic dragons that will only ever run on this here box. [01:50]
mircea_popescu but i don't. i personally fuck, yes, i personally cook, rarely. but computors ?! [01:50]
asciilifeform feed it to a pet, then. [01:51]
mircea_popescu i need more pets ;/ [01:51]
mircea_popescu who fucking knew that cli will become the bottleneck as i age ffs. [01:51]
mircea_popescu i've been running a whore to geek conversion program for a year now, it's fucking shameful. [01:52]
asciilifeform 'v' oughta be a major pill against this kind of grind. [01:52]
asciilifeform the thing actually works. [01:52]
mircea_popescu (incidentally - anyone looking to hire junior coders : hire at the strip club. about 10x better results than cs undergrad programme) [01:52]
asciilifeform takes patches, sigs - and shits out coherent animal, on demand [01:53]
mircea_popescu you dun have to sell me on my own god damned idea!111!!11 [01:53]
sexy_saffron loosely related, the reddit camgirls are starting to get really good at css :P [01:53]
mircea_popescu sexy_saffron loosely indeed :D [01:53]
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sexy_saffron so if I want to set up with the bitcoin-otc wot, do I need to redo everything on that channel? [01:55]
mircea_popescu notrly, just send your gpg to gribble [01:56]
mircea_popescu i dun recall the syntax but it was pretty straightforward. maybe ;;eregister it was ? [01:56]
sexy_saffron ah ok, I'll try that out [01:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aww my genesis sig didn't make it in! [01:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a fucking demo [01:58]
asciilifeform hardly anybody's anything made it in [01:58]
mircea_popescu NO! [01:58]
mircea_popescu BUTTHURT [01:58]
asciilifeform except for my spew [01:58]
asciilifeform l0l [01:58]
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asciilifeform aaaaand.... [02:02]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [02:02]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [02:02]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000159.html [02:02]
assbot [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 100K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQqQGr ) [02:02]
imsaguy sexy_saffron: ;;register, ;;eregister, ;;bcregister all work depending on your preferred method of auth. [02:02]
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sexy_saffron I've been trying ;;eregister but it says the nick is already registered and to try another [02:03]
tripleslash which nick are you attempting to register under? [02:03]
tripleslash ;;gpg info sexy_saffron [02:03]
sexy_saffron sexy_saffron [02:03]
gribble User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. [02:03]
tripleslash yeah, it looks like you registered a year ago [02:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform proof that your computing sucks : your thing is 480k, mine is 380k. [02:04]
mircea_popescu get better computing. [02:04]
sexy_saffron yep, is there a way to add my gpg key though? [02:04]
asciilifeform lel [02:04]
tripleslash so while auth'd with your bitcoin address, you can do a ;;changekey or ;;echangekey which will add your gpg [02:04]
mircea_popescu ;;rated sexy_saffron [02:05]
gribble You have not yet rated user sexy_saffron [02:05]
mircea_popescu odd. [02:05]
tripleslash ;;gettrust sexy_saffron [02:05]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user sexy_saffron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=imsaguy&dest=sexy_saffron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sexy_saffron | Rated since: Fri Jul (1 more message) [02:05]
tripleslash no trust :( [02:05]
sexy_saffron woo! I think that worked! [02:05]
tripleslash ;;gpg info sexy_saffron [02:05]
gribble User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. [02:05]
tripleslash nope. [02:05]
mircea_popescu trinque she's ok, did hm... where was that [02:05]
sexy_saffron Thanks tripleslash! [02:05]
tripleslash sexy_saffron: its not don eyet. [02:05]
mircea_popescu anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ? [02:06]
tripleslash err, done yet. [02:06]
gabriel_laddel twas for taleb [02:06]
gabriel_laddel she giggles throughout iirc [02:06]
sexy_saffron yeah! I saw he did really well with his hedge fund during the first crash [02:06]
mircea_popescu ah so it was. [02:06]
tripleslash sexy_saffron: [e]changekey is a two step process. You have to prove you have the private key. [02:06]
sexy_saffron it didn't ask me to sign anything, it just said successful, what's the next step? [02:07]
asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov what happened to the beautiful idea of NOT FUCKING MUTILATING FILENAMES ?!!! [02:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:09]
tripleslash when you do the changekey, it'll either send you a pastebin that you need to decrypt or a otp that you need to encrypt. [02:09]
tripleslash you use verify/everify depending on which way you're choosing to go. [02:10]
sexy_saffron ah ok, it did link me to a message, which decrypted looks like the authentication phrase [02:10]
sexy_saffron what's the difference between verify and everify? [02:10]
tripleslash verify goes with changekey. everify goes with echangekey. [02:11]
gabriel_laddel sexy_saffron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210834 [02:11]
assbot Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:13; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked. [02:11]
tripleslash so if you did echangekey, you need to decrypt and send back to gribble via everify otp:blahblahblah [02:11]
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gabriel_laddel !up sexy_saffron [02:12]
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sexy_saffron yay! I think it worked! [02:13]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel so why tell her ? [02:13]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: she is involved in the pornography industry in some capacity? [02:13]
sexy_saffron I'm always open to custom videos.... ;) [02:14]
mircea_popescu what's this, "you from new york, ever heard of joe also from new york" to the power of five ? [02:14]
gabriel_laddel nah, more along the lines of "I'm a programmer" "orly, do you grok lisp? What the primary advantages that haskell's type system provides? Ada's test suite: comments?" [02:16]
tripleslash sexy_saffron, yes it did. congrats! [02:16]
gabriel_laddel it'll spark an interesting conversation - or not. [02:16]
tripleslash sexy_saffron: now get some lvl 2 trust in here so you can !up to assbot [02:16]
gabriel_laddel in any case, it tells me if I'm at all interested in the individual [02:16]
punkman advantages of haskell: https://xkcd.com/1312/ [02:16]
assbot xkcd: Haskell ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQrSlS ) [02:17]
sexy_saffron I get 1759480 [02:17]
sexy_saffron thanks again tripleslash! [02:17]
sexy_saffron I often rely on the kindness of strangers ;) [02:18]
mircea_popescu tripleslash she has that already. [02:18]
sexy_saffron well I'm going to go to bed, but you guys let me know if you want me to do a custom video! :P sexy_miss_saffron@hotmail.com [02:23]
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sexy_saffron goodnight! :) [02:24]
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asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [02:33]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html [02:33]
assbot [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQt08V ) [02:33]
* asciilifeform to bed. [02:51]
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tripleslash mircea_popescu: my bad. [03:02]
mircea_popescu how've YOU been doin' anyway [03:03]
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tripleslash meh [03:17]
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mircea_popescu not so hot ? [03:21]
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tripleslash Just nothing remarkable at the moment. [03:31]
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mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt << pretty lulzy top page. [03:53]
assbot Bitcoin XT - uncensored Bitcoin discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEKRLM ) [03:53]
mircea_popescu nothing about XT outside of "With 58+% of the miners voting for BIP100 and less than 1% voting for XT/BIP101. XT doesn't seem likely to happen (soon). What will happen now?" [03:54]
mircea_popescu what could happen young padawan ? you were on the wrong side of history. again. [03:54]
mircea_popescu yes, so was "everyone else". awwww. [03:54]
mircea_popescu https://archive.is/pBsz3 particularly lulzy. [03:55]
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punkman "Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed" [04:01]
trinque "Uh. No? [04:03]
trinque " [04:03]
trinque ...laggy terminal [04:03]
punkman !up Vexual [04:04]
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trinque I'm just barely curious what their definition of carrying is, if they have one. [04:04]
mircea_popescu "hello sir are you carrying more than $10k in real estate ?" [04:04]
mircea_popescu "are you an idiot ?" [04:04]
punkman I guess they might think that bitcoin comes in physical coins only [04:05]
mircea_popescu "yes, the forever anal love of your mom's worth well over $10k!" [04:05]
punkman asciilifeform would quote babbage :P [04:05]
mircea_popescu trinque http://trilema.com/feed/ < 5 hrs ago ? [04:07]
assbot Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWUGq2 ) [04:07]
tripleslash I love that that the rallying cry for XT is "But censorship!" [04:07]
trinque hm [04:07]
* trinque looks [04:07]
mircea_popescu and the original vision of satoshi! [04:07]
mircea_popescu who actually went to the trouble of writing a letter specifically to diss xt and the two shitheads involved. [04:08]
tripleslash I'd bet most that invoke the original vision of satoshi haven't even bothered to read his paper. [04:08]
mircea_popescu mmyeah. [04:08]
mircea_popescu much like most that invoke the original vision of jesus. [04:08]
tripleslash there are about as many eye witness accounts of both [04:09]
mircea_popescu or for that matter, the original vision of the founding fathers folks are plainly innocent of the federalist papers. [04:09]
mircea_popescu or so on. [04:09]
tripleslash all we need now is some toast [04:09]
tripleslash At the end of the day, Satoshi isn't around to continue to shepherd his project (at least by the satoshi name), so his original vision starts to lose relevance. [04:10]
punkman I doubt satoshi expected bitcoin to come this far [04:11]
mircea_popescu most likely did not. [04:12]
cazalla evenin' [04:12]
tripleslash nah, morning [04:12]
deedbot- [Trilema] No Such lAbs releases V for Victory. - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/ [04:13]
trinque ^ weird, it had a stuck connection on port 80. [04:13]
mircea_popescu odd [04:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, gents please read the V, in whatever place you might favour. [04:13]
trinque maybe the python RSS guy needs a timeout; I'll mess with it [04:13]
punkman trinque: not uncommon if you don't have timeouts [04:14]
cazalla Vexual, only in the temperature, apparently this winter was the coldest Melbourne has had in 26 years but spring is here tomorrow so who cares [04:16]
trinque punkman: socket.setdefaulttimeout(30) << seems reasonable right? [04:18]
punkman trinque: that might not be HTTP timeout [04:18]
trinque doesn't look like feedparser has its own knob for timeout [04:19]
punkman trinque: try adding a timeout in the urllib call [04:24]
trinque feedparser doesn't hand it up as a parameter [04:25]
trinque it uses urllib, but deep in the bowels [04:25]
mats the for else construct oughta be replaced with a list comprehension IMO, re: V-genesis [04:25]
mats or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right [04:31]
mats coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword [04:32]
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mats fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases. [04:49]
mats and then there's this: http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_2.html [04:50]
assbot Sun: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGmwkX ) [04:50]
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trinque this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while. [05:31]
trinque neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures. [05:32]
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davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256011 <<< no, not yet [05:57]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 20:47:31; mod6: ;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? [05:57]
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punkman https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10140981 [06:38]
assbot UDP flood DDoS attacks against XT nodes | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2XPV9 ) [06:38]
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punkman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216246/Barclays-UK-high-street-bank-accept-bitcoin.html [06:51]
assbot Barclays to become first UK high street bank to accept bitcoin | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2YYfq ) [06:51]
punkman ... "as it starts taking charity donations in the virtual currency" [06:52]
punkman "It has around 75 staff looking into bitcoin and block chain at offices in Notting Hill and Old Street, close to the City of London." [06:52]
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shinohai http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-micropayments-faraday-freelance-market/ "Hey guys, we can still make pennies on the hour, but with BITCOIN!" [07:19]
assbot Bitcoin Micropayment Service Targets Global Freelancers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnhwYQ ) [07:19]
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funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257025 <-- Declare your copy of the chain. Yes, I happen to be carrying ~all~ the bitcoins sir. [07:34]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 06:59:30; punkman: "Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed" [07:34]
funkenstein_ mornin' lords and ladies [07:34]
* funkenstein_ once tried to be economically independent; nearly broke his back [07:35]
* funkenstein_ runs of to play with "fau" [07:41]
shinohai mornin funkenstein. [07:42]
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funkenstein_ shinohai how are things? [07:46]
shinohai not bad here funkenstein_ having coffee and logs, you? [07:49]
funkenstein_ not bad thanks, on a train :) [07:50]
punkman https://nobitcoinlicense.org/ [07:50]
assbot Say No to the California Bitcoin License ... ( http://bit.ly/1NItjBt ) [07:50]
* shinohai likes trains [07:50]
shinohai Welp looks like that moron chicagoschooler deleted his reddit AND twitter. [07:52]
shinohai He provided so many lulz. Shall be missed. [07:53]
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punkman http://cdn.papermag.com/uploaded_images/miley_papermagazine_4.jpg [08:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGBWu1 ) [08:05]
shinohai I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments. [08:11]
punkman shinohai: most pics I've seen of her are disgusting indeed [08:12]
punkman I quite like that one though [08:12]
shinohai lol [08:12]
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punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QfyBAFzYk [08:16]
assbot Eamon feat Ghostface Killah - I Love Them Ho's.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGD00T ) [08:16]
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shinohai http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-.old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/?utm_content=buffer6d5f4 <<< Kid looks like he is going for that Gavin look [08:20]
assbot 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGDtQH ) [08:20]
fluffypony "He's currently the CTO of Etherparty" [08:22]
fluffypony what's the point of titles if they're meaningless [08:22]
fluffypony I'm currently the king of Fuckistania [08:22]
funkenstein_ i wanna see your business card [08:23]
fluffypony funkenstein_: I said Fuckistania, not Funkensteinia :-P [08:24]
funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue [08:24]
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punkman who's the CTO of Fuckistania? [08:27]
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fluffypony punkman: some 14 year old kid, it's all a competition to see who has the youngest staff [08:29]
fluffypony I've been trying to recruit a 3-year-old from a few houses down, but the parents keep looking at me funny and taking their kid inside when I bring the paperwork for him to sign [08:30]
punkman you should sponsor a hackathon at the local kindergarten [08:31]
funkenstein_ that will turn some VC heads methinks [08:33]
fluffypony lol [08:33]
shinohai I modified my juice box to pick up whispers and cheat at cut and paste. [08:33]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256972 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/08/attracting-taleb-and-tlp-to-bitcoin-assets-with-camgirls/ [09:56]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 05:03:45; mircea_popescu: anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ? [09:56]
assbot Attracting Taleb and TLP to #bitcoin-assets… With Camgirls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNHftz ) [09:56]
pete_dushenski tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up [09:56]
pete_dushenski one of contravex' 10-15 most popular articles, month in and month out [09:57]
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shinohai Good article pete_dushenski I hadn't read that on Sexy Saffron [10:15]
pete_dushenski it hasn't brought either of them here yet but the internet's a big place [10:16]
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pete_dushenski even for bright folks, the noise can be deafening [10:16]
pete_dushenski 'specially if you're on the wrong side of 50 a la taleb [10:17]
pete_dushenski (not sure how old tlp is) [10:17]
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pete_dushenski "The free-market system has salient flaws and hidden benefits. All other systems have hidden flaws and salient benefits." -herr taleb [10:22]
pete_dushenski " Note that it costs only a few dollars a day for someone to zap systematically suspicious posters who have not participated on this page before." -herr taleb, apparently learning to deal better with trolls and other internet phenomena [10:26]
pete_dushenski taleb's learning! [10:26]
* pete_dushenski wonders if there'd be any action on a bitbet as to whether taleb shows up here in the next year [10:27]
* pete_dushenski suspects he's 3-5 years away [10:27]
shinohai Taleb rejected your offer of a BTC just to show up? [10:30]
pete_dushenski y'know i can't even recall if i made him that offer before i was in b-a or not [10:31]
pete_dushenski iirc i just offered him a btc outright just to play with [10:31]
pete_dushenski of course, the tweet in question was sent from an account that's since been mothballed [10:32]
pete_dushenski so i dunno when exactly i sent it [10:32]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/471340967954374657 << in case anyone can decipher these urls and make out a timestamp [10:33]
shinohai Ok camgirls failed to entice so perhaps he is immune to pr0n. [10:33]
pete_dushenski not sure i'd call sexy_saffron representative of all camgirls, nor camgirls representative of all porn, but ya, this arrow missed [10:34]
shinohai She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy. [10:35]
shinohai *savvy [10:35]
shinohai http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/stopping-network-abusers.htm << [10:36]
shinohai "Mining for bitcoin" is what got my node shut down on hashbang [10:38]
pete_dushenski "These aren't naive amateurs; they are clever hackers who are willfully stealing for their own selfish gain. It’s a small group – 1/100 of a percent of our 59 million customers – but some of them are using as much as 2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month. I’m not sure what they are doing with it – stealing wireless access for their entire business, powering a small cloud servic [10:39]
pete_dushenski e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile [10:39]
shinohai !up nanashi_ [10:42]
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shinohai But, automatically bitcoin is shady with a lot of providers even if you are prefectly willing to pay increased prices for service [10:44]
shinohai + data [10:44]
nanashi_ Hello, Mr. mircea_popescu. [10:45]
nanashi_ I'd like to ask a question about "What if I created a bet address but can't bet right now?"(https://bitbet.us/faq/#150), which states 3-day window for betting. [10:45]
nanashi_ Is there any remedial action due to the damage caused by the "stress-testing" which was occurring on the BTC network? [10:46]
nanashi_ I have realized that "faq/#150" is potentially very dangerous to almost all bettors given the unpredictable "stress-testing" which might occur in the future. [10:46]
nanashi_ For example, it was reported (https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/#c4934) that 0.1 BTC vote on yes with a fee of .00001 took 5 days until the first confirmation. [10:46]
punkman pay more fees, problem solved [10:46]
nanashi_ During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding. [10:46]
nanashi_ Also, I'm wondering if it is possible, that by monitoring "mempool" of BTC transactions, BitBet can anticipate that the bet address is to be used by a bettor, so be able to make it exempt from reclaiming the address. [10:47]
nanashi_ punkman: Yes. But I anticipate a bigger incident will inevitably occur due to a 1MB thing. [10:50]
pete_dushenski !gettrust nanashi_ [10:50]
assbot nanashi_ is not registered in WoT. [10:50]
pete_dushenski doesn't look like you're in any sort of position to make 'recommendations' to how bitbet does anything [10:51]
nanashi_ pete_dushenski: I'm sorry. All I can do is monitoring BTC network's statistics and pay enough fees. Thank you. [10:53]
pete_dushenski don't mention it [10:54]
nanashi_ Those were my worry-ness. I have never thought "faq/#150" had much meaning because I thought forgetting for 3 days seemed to be a complete idiot! [11:06]
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thestringpuller hey pete_dushenski how goes fatherhood? :D [11:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << i expect a number of people will have this issue! turns out there are TWO gnupg call-out libs for python: 'gnupg' and 'python-gnupg'. i uses the latter. one of these was written by a human, and another is the same, taken by an imbecile who decided to carve his initials into it by changing field names. i do not know still which is which. [11:32]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue [11:32]
asciilifeform ;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg' [11:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257082 << i loathe python per se. but the only realistic alternative was perl. (my original attempts at 'v' were in awk/sed, and did not work very well) [11:35]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:27; mats: or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right [11:35]
asciilifeform there aren't too many scripting languages that everybody already has on their box. [11:36]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general. [11:37]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 08:30:08; trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures. [11:37]
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asciilifeform also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset [11:38]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [11:43]
asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/2D3SRQF#wrap [11:43]
assbot dpaste: 2D3SRQF: V Examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVgTq ) [11:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^ [11:43]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here. [11:47]
assbot [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq ) [11:47]
* shinohai *likes asciilifeform 's clever license [11:49]
asciilifeform shinohai: mircea_popescu dreamed it up [11:49]
shinohai nice. [11:49]
asciilifeform shinohai: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm [11:49]
assbot A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY ) [11:49]
shinohai Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits. [11:50]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might want to put 'vdiff' in the footnotes on your article, as 'v' doesn't work without it; see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255918 for signed copy of 'vdiff'. [11:50]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 20:01:42; trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt [11:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:50]
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thestringpuller shinohai: one second [11:51]
shinohai kk [11:52]
thestringpuller shinohai: http://dpaste.com/3SSXQJV.txt [11:58]
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shinohai ty thestringpuller [12:06]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here. << thanks asciilifeform! I'll check it out when I get a chance later. [12:07]
assbot [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq ) [12:07]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257187 << can also put python-gnupg in a dir next to v.py if you don't want to install it globally [12:42]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 14:31:07; asciilifeform: ;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg' [12:42]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller: we discovered the soother last night. best. invention. ever. [12:54]
thestringpuller the soother? wat dat? [13:02]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller: eg. https://www.colourbox.com/preview/1577801-plastic-baby-pacifier-or-soother-isolated-on-white.jpg [13:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvS7tI ) [13:11]
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pete_dushenski (my apologies for the tardy responses y'all. i'm in and out of 'duty' atm. so i'm here, just sometimes delayed.) [13:12]
thestringpuller jury duty? [13:13]
ben_vulpes what's wrong with the teat? [13:14]
ben_vulpes congrats on V, asciilifeform. [13:15]
ben_vulpes i'll give it a read-through later today. [13:15]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: 'dad duty' [13:16]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: nothing. necessary. not sufficient. [13:16]
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ben_vulpes kidding aside, congrats señor [13:24]
pete_dushenski gracias amigo :) [13:24]
ben_vulpes bwaha the trousersnake oglaf [13:25]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: how's the first week going? [13:25]
jurov ;;later tell mircea_popescu mpex has some trouble, 15min old unacknowledged orders [13:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:25]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: no complaints really. he's an impressive little specimen. already lifting his head! [13:27]
ben_vulpes more curious about the lifestyle change, but that's good to hear as well. [13:27]
pete_dushenski (for those unawares, head-lifting normally takes place ~1-2 months in newborns) [13:27]
ben_vulpes how long did he gestate? [13:28]
pete_dushenski 9 months. to the day. [13:28]
ben_vulpes timely fucker! [13:28]
jurov was he reading #b-a in the womb? [13:29]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: as to lifestyle changes, nothing overwhelming really. helps that neither of us have an office job stealing us away so we can take as much time as we need to adapt, lean, and cope [13:29]
ben_vulpes quelle privilege [13:29]
pete_dushenski jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise [13:29]
jurov ^ possible alf's antifuse rom implemntation? [13:30]
jurov one child per bit [13:31]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ << tumultuous, almost fiery time. pretty much 9 months ago exactly. [13:31]
assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP ) [13:31]
pete_dushenski "This isn’t to say, from some perspectives, that I haven’t tried to hang myself. I have. From the outside looking in at this institution-cum-“cult,” my regurgitation and therefore implicit condonation of rape and sexual slavery, whether I intended these terms in the literal or simply as useful metaphors for domination, isn’t always clearly conveyed to the reader. As such, some hot [13:33]
pete_dushenski water have I brought to boil with friends and family. Certainly nothing irresolvable, and no interventions have yet been attempted, but being a Reactionary isn’t always smooth sailing." [13:33]
pete_dushenski ^specifically [13:33]
pete_dushenski but hey, just my pet theory as to the passions of life. [13:34]
pete_dushenski well, of life and of *creating* life [13:34]
mike_c congrats pete! any cute pics? [13:34]
pete_dushenski didja catch this one ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Pete_and_Niko_Dushenski-1024x768.jpg [13:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvVC3w ) [13:35]
mats mpoe sleeps [13:35]
mike_c hehe. well the *baby* is very cute :) [13:35]
pete_dushenski he's lucky that he looks very little like his dad then ! [13:36]
mike_c that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat [13:36]
jurov mats, now that you say it... [13:37]
pete_dushenski mike_c: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxaQsBXJRcs [13:37]
assbot Family Guy - Peter Breast feeding Stewie - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvW4ig ) [13:37]
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mike_c lol. nice. [13:38]
mike_c well mazeltov and enjoy. they don't stay small long. [13:39]
pete_dushenski cheers mike :D [13:40]
jurov ANN: coinbr in snafu mode (no trading) till mpex is fixed [13:41]
pete_dushenski bbiab [13:45]
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BingoBoingo During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding. << SOmetime on Day 2 double spend the coins with a higher fee so the miners want it. [13:54]
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punkman ;;ud snafu [14:17]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SNAFU | One of a progression of military situational indicators: 1. SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - Thing are running normally. 2. TARFUN - Thing... [14:17]
jurov why, yes, normal situation here [14:32]
jurov unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution" [14:35]
mike_c interesting. you think that's because of flaky name servers? [14:42]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210796 [14:43]
assbot Logged on 23-07-2015 14:53:37; kakobrekla: its generally wise to avoid dns where possible [14:43]
shinohai http://hackaday.com/2015/08/31/fcc-introduces-rules-banning-wifi-router-firmware-modification/ [14:46]
jurov not looked deeper into it, and it happens independently at multiple locations [14:46]
assbot FCC Introduces Rules Banning WiFi Router Firmware Modification | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1Etrjdu ) [14:46]
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trinque shinohai: so fuck their "wifi" [14:50]
shinohai agreed [14:50]
shinohai Routers aren't any fun if you can't attach a pringles yagi [14:51]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [14:51]
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ascii_field trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in [14:52]
ascii_field basic idea here is an attempted ban on cheap chinese 'we won't lift a finger to enforce usg diktat' chipsets [14:52]
trinque time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person. [14:52]
trinque I chucked a bit to see that they specifically mention DD-WRT, but I'm not that surprised [14:53]
ascii_field i suspect that they are specifically working on abolishing esp8266, etc [14:53]
ascii_field !s esp8266 [14:53]
assbot 17 results for 'esp8266' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=esp8266 [14:53]
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ascii_field 'Actually, this applies to the whole device. The article is wrong that it only applies to the radio. If the device contain a radio capable of acting in the 5GHz band, then firmware Control must be secured for the whole device, even if the parameters for the wireless Communication is locked in hardware. Note that even if you as a device manufacturer can certify in point 2 that the radio itself do contain hardware locks [14:57]
ascii_field preventing the firmware from operating the device outside of permitted ranges, the device still needs to comply with firmware security.' [14:57]
trinque firmware security lol [14:57]
trinque we're outright banning inventive behavior [14:58]
trinque we'll be dead within a decade :p [14:58]
ascii_field long ago banned chemistry [14:58]
mircea_popescu hola [14:58]
trinque well that's understandable isn't it? chemicals are dangerous! [14:58]
trinque I hear they're putting chemicals in food [14:58]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nanashi_ there isn't any remedial for anything. bitcoin payments are entirely the responsibility of the payer. that's what "be your own banker" means. [14:59]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:59]
ascii_field 'The FCC specifically cites DD-WRT as an unacceptable modified firmware.' [15:03]
mircea_popescu jurov aha, being worked on. [15:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_field wait what ?! [15:03]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: see thread [15:04]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is this mean, "unacceptable modified firmware". it's not fucking firmware to begin iwith [15:04]
shinohai I must move from the US and expatriate if DD-WRT is outlawed. [15:04]
ascii_field Official ban proposed on open source anything in any apparatus containing a radio (5GHz at first, but usg sop camel nose) [15:04]
ascii_field (and not simply open source, but anything non-nintendoized) [15:05]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [15:05]
mircea_popescu who the fuck listens to these twerps anymore even. [15:06]
ascii_field customs officials do. [15:06]
mircea_popescu so they gotta be shot. [15:06]
ascii_field general-purpose computing has been disappearing for 20 years without so much as a squeak, much less shots ringing out [15:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_field btw got anything re that tx? [15:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: not as of 3 hrs ago [15:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: this really calls for debug instrumentation that the node in question does not presently have [15:08]
mircea_popescu did you actually see it ? [15:08]
ascii_field i did not. [15:08]
mircea_popescu as in trying to come in ? [15:08]
mircea_popescu what the ef. [15:08]
ascii_field might need to tcpdump, 'wireshark' it. [15:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257083 << which keyword ? [15:09]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:53; mats: coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword [15:09]
mircea_popescu ascii_field nuts. [15:09]
ascii_field bitcoin-as-it-is is not really debuggable meaningfully without packet capture. sadly. [15:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257087 << the very talented mr d. [15:10]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 08:28:38; trinque: this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while. [15:10]
trinque The data-structure's *the thing*, and there's nothing obscuring it. Seeing it done that way, obviously it's the right way to do it. [15:11]
mircea_popescu trinque sounds like someone from 2030 who discovered that yes the web runs on urls. [15:11]
mircea_popescu "but it would be so much better and ~easier~ for the user if the url went away!!11" [15:12]
trinque lol [15:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15772 @ 0.00068929 = 10.8715 BTC [-] {2} [15:12]
trinque indeed I do [15:12]
mircea_popescu yeah. for the dumb "user". [15:12]
trinque truly, just looking at v.py make something quite clear about what this whole "end user experience" thing has caused [15:12]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:12]
mircea_popescu fuck the end user with a pointed stick. [15:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1872 @ 0.00068624 = 1.2846 BTC [-] {16} [15:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257115 << srsly, she's just some random teenager. interesting for the people who like to [fantasize about] fucking teenagers for as long as she's a teenager. [15:13]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 11:09:29; shinohai: I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments. [15:13]
ascii_field trinque: i must dourly remind you that what you read was a very hasty and rough piece of work, that needs heavy work - particularly simplification of the graph walker [15:13]
mircea_popescu i bet they already got another one. [15:13]
ascii_field trinque: it also does not like broken chains, yet [15:13]
ascii_field trinque: or track history by-file [15:13]
trinque ascii_field: I'm referring to the theory behind the way it was designed, mostly [15:13]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: she's actually not a teenager she's > 21 [15:13]
mircea_popescu in other words, plenty of space to contribute. [15:13]
ascii_field trinque: the theory isn't changing, aha [15:13]
thestringpuller dunno your definition of teenager tho :P [15:14]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller she also doesn't matter anymore, used to 5 years ago. [15:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257124 << but you could be Pony, the CEO of Fluff, a new start-up passionate about changing the world! [15:14]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 11:20:07; fluffypony: what's the point of titles if they're meaningless [15:14]
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ascii_field trinque, mircea_popescu, et al: there is another fine point re: 'v' that i'm a little surprised nobody asked about. how it does not distinguish signers from authors. it does not do this because it is physically impossible, other than via deedbot etc., and i am not in the business of promising the impossible. [15:15]
trinque ^ certain things are a fine task for some other program [15:16]
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ascii_field see the discussion of pgp key timestamps some months back [15:16]
trinque I think releases are the same thing, just point from elsewhere to designate a release [15:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field what do you mean distinguish ? [15:16]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's a STEALTH STARTUP [15:16]
fluffypony waiting for acquisition [15:16]
punkman might be nice to add couple more bits of metadata in vdiffs [15:16]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: notice how all seals (signatures) are treated alike. [15:16]
mircea_popescu aww shit did i blow the embargoo ? [15:16]
fluffypony we don't actually *do* anything, but we're waiting for acquisition [15:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field but what distinguish! [15:16]
ascii_field punkman: what metadata. [15:16]
mircea_popescu what, substantially, would you be distinguishing. [15:16]
trinque punkman: no! [15:16]
trinque point inward from elsewhere [15:17]
trinque descriptions and shit; we've got hypertext [15:17]
punkman ascii_field: say author's fingerprint? [15:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the only timestamps worth anything are deedbot's [15:17]
mircea_popescu explain the concept to me in general. [15:17]
mircea_popescu so you write a song, and play it here. sometime later, i play this song for my hos. [15:17]
trinque I briefly thought "what about metadata in the vpatches" then slapped myself [15:17]
mircea_popescu define the concept of "author" ; distinguish it fromn the concept of "signator" [15:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: my point was precisely that it is a spurious distinction, and that i do not make it in the system; and that anyone who wants to try to be remembered as the first one to pen a particular patch had better deedbot his signature [15:18]
mircea_popescu so what does "author" mean ? [15:18]
mircea_popescu alrighty. so why would anyone ask you anything about this :) [15:18]
mircea_popescu "hey guise, i get no shit for doing things right, my worn out butt is surprised. what is this!" [15:19]
ascii_field l0l [15:19]
trinque well here's something, not having one "working dir" concept, but rather "fart out any chain of patches wherever you like" is exactly right [15:19]
mircea_popescu the concept of "who pissed in chlorine first" is very much different from the concept of "who knows how to make never gas" [15:19]
mircea_popescu the former's a purely historical interest. the latter's practical. [15:19]
fluffypony never gas? [15:20]
fluffypony :-P [15:20]
mircea_popescu nerve lol [15:20]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888468 << and finally we have this. [15:22]
assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 18:52:16; mircea_popescu: how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go. [15:22]
mircea_popescu can i has reading the log at my own pace onoes! [15:22]
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mircea_popescu there. [15:22]
* mircea_popescu ties up alf to a chair while he reads the logs. [15:22]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [15:23]
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ascii_field mmmhmmmhm. [15:23]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257140 << fucktards. [15:25]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 12:54:31; pete_dushenski: tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up [15:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << did you use the wrong package, ie the one alf warned will blow up ? [15:25]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue [15:25]
ascii_field he did. [15:25]
mircea_popescu heh k. [15:26]
mircea_popescu THAT i should put in a footnote. [15:26]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << possibly also this set of example [15:27]
assbot [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq ) [15:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257160 << recall http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ ? she was also a camho. [15:28]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 13:33:07; shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy. [15:28]
assbot Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJb6DR ) [15:28]
mircea_popescu cum biology undegrad. [15:28]
BingoBoingo Apparently wifi rules was pushed out in March? Why suddenly panic now and not then? [15:29]
trinque so my ddwrt router is illegal? [15:29]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: frog boiler sop [15:30]
ascii_field ideally frog never notices at all [15:30]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257165 << unclear what business t mobile has on the internet then. [15:31]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 13:37:23; pete_dushenski: e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile [15:31]
mircea_popescu ftr, "2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month" is [15:31]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2*10**12 / 30 / 24 / 3600 / 1024 [15:31]
gribble 753.520447531 [15:31]
ascii_field ^ i read their faq thing, very precious. it made me recall the last footnote in mircea_popescu's 'new software license' article [15:31]
mircea_popescu 753 kbps [15:31]
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ascii_field (anybody have it handy?) [15:31]
mircea_popescu which is WAY less than what tyhey are advertising, iu am sure. [15:31]
mircea_popescu "we sell people 5mb connections. evil hackers use about 7% of this. american business world ftw!" [15:32]
ascii_field standard bezzlatronic reaction to Evil Witches finding some trick for using their dollarz, which were given to them to real-estate-bubblate, to illicitly buy actual solid turkeys [15:33]
mircea_popescu aha [15:33]
mircea_popescu quite exactly that. [15:33]
ascii_field not a thing that can be permitted [15:33]
mircea_popescu such derp. [15:33]
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ascii_field the fraud isn't that they won't give out free bandwidth, but insist on advertising 'unlimited' while in practice entirely opposite [15:34]
mircea_popescu they actually advertise unlimited ? [15:35]
trinque oh yeah. [15:35]
mircea_popescu if they do, i taker it back. [15:35]
ascii_field 'eat as much as you want so long as it is not too much by our lights' [15:35]
mircea_popescu "unlimited" has for many years meant "enough for your needs if you don't need much", which is finbe. [15:35]
mircea_popescu i thought they advertised 20 MBps like my provider in ro or something specific. [15:35]
trinque they also make claims about LTE speed [15:35]
ascii_field there was a rate in there [15:36]
ascii_field the 'unlimited' refers to bulk tonnage [15:36]
mircea_popescu well if there's a rate they're frauds. [15:36]
trinque point is words don't mean shit, and the rules are intentionally arbitrary because "fuck you" [15:36]
mircea_popescu as i somehow suspect that rate comes with mbps after a number. [15:36]
mircea_popescu trinque not in contracts. [15:36]
ascii_field t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111' [15:36]
trinque well I would agree. [15:36]
ascii_field 'not like the others!' [15:36]
trinque mircea_popescu: they worm around it with "up to x Mbps" [15:37]
mircea_popescu even so. [15:37]
BingoBoingo t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111' << This they advertise X speed for first Y transfer and after that max tonnage at best effort speed [15:37]
ascii_field they relied on it being 'smartpNohe only' for the limiter [15:37]
mircea_popescu oooo i see [15:38]
ascii_field understanding being that there is nothing bandwidth-heavy to do on a pocket phone [15:38]
mircea_popescu right right makes sense now. [15:38]
ascii_field then folks installed openvpn etc on the thing. [15:38]
ascii_field suddenly 'you bastards, refusing to use typical sheepNohe, terrorists' [15:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44767 @ 0.0006894 = 30.8624 BTC [+] {2} [15:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9938 @ 0.00069403 = 6.8973 BTC [+] {2} [15:39]
punkman mircea_popescu: 753 kbps << 1mbps gets you 320gb/month or so [15:40]
ascii_field it is the inevitable fate of kolhoz: when thing is 'free' and shared, suddenly there are 'hogs' and 'freeloaders' and 'decent people' [15:40]
ascii_field instead of just buyers and sellers [15:40]
mircea_popescu punkman obviously the people in question left a tracker on continuously. [15:40]
trinque I called american messaging about a pager... 400 message limit a month then overage, but at least they are up-front about it [15:40]
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ascii_field trinque: the cap is largely to keep folks from doing things like controlling model airplanes with'em [15:41]
mircea_popescu but.... why ?! [15:41]
trinque yeah sounds fun [15:41]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would you want to PREVENT people from using things [15:42]
ascii_field It Would Be Wrong [15:42]
mircea_popescu wtf is this, being chinese ? [15:42]
ascii_field because kolho [15:42]
ascii_field z [15:42]
ascii_field if used, suddenly the bezzle is revealed [15:42]
jurov mircea_popescu: noticed the mpex orders were published, it's safe to resume everything? [15:42]
mircea_popescu jurov yes. [15:42]
mircea_popescu should be fine. [15:42]
ascii_field which is that there is nowhere near enough capacity for 1% of what was actually bought [15:42]
mircea_popescu ascii_field republished v article if you care. [15:42]
ascii_field neato [15:42]
mircea_popescu ascii_field and for that matter, DECENT AMERICANS don't get sick. [15:42]
mircea_popescu they just "have" health insurance. [15:42]
ascii_field of course. [15:42]
* mircea_popescu is suddenly reminded of romania of the 80s [15:42]
* trinque expects that his desire to be radio-silent must look terrorist-y to some moron, if he bothered to look [15:43]
mircea_popescu i wonder if the market for gold is in the same situation. [15:43]
trinque if not now, it will [15:43]
mircea_popescu maybe i should stop being such a terrorist "destabilizing the situation" [15:44]
trinque isn't that like these "circuit breakers" at stock exchanges? [15:44]
ascii_field 1200+ trips in one day, recently, according to the birdcage liner [15:44]
trinque http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/24/investing/stocks-markets-selloff-circuit-breakers-1200-times/ [15:44]
assbot Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJcTZG ) [15:44]
ascii_field one ~trading~ day. [15:44]
trinque yep [15:44]
mircea_popescu ascii_field used to be one a year. [15:45]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193376 [15:45]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1" [15:45]
mircea_popescu now it's 1200 a day. and all that chewing paste and toothgum is there because they run the fucking bots in java [15:45]
mircea_popescu AND.THEY.SUCK. [15:45]
ascii_field plus the folks with the official bots need to be kept in cocaine [15:45]
ascii_field y'know, the ones who ~issue~ the 1200+ 'stop's [15:46]
mircea_popescu that part ain't hard. [15:46]
trinque sea of bullshit, where do you even begin [15:46]
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BingoBoingo ;;calc (5/439.426)*100 [15:50]
gribble 1.13784801081 [15:50]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257192 << because todo lists are private matters. let thje interested make their own todo lists. [15:55]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 14:35:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general. [15:55]
ascii_field well yes. but i put it in for a reason, because there are several things which i consider important which presently do not work correctly. [15:55]
ascii_field (it is possible to live without them, yes. but folks who try to display a broken flow graph will see ???) [15:56]
mircea_popescu and so they can fix it. [15:56]
ascii_field ^ perhaps i ought to explain. picture a patch mid-flow whose seal is annulled (removed, even if temporarily, from .wot) [15:57]
mircea_popescu really more a matter of style than anything, your own ml does include your own todo iirc [15:57]
ascii_field aha. [15:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257194 << re this, it might actually be a wise default to have "all or nothing". either you trust this person and follow their changes or you do not and follow none. [15:57]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 14:36:31; asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset [15:57]
mircea_popescu and if one's not happy with this arrangement, one should RESTATE what interests them, under their own sig. [15:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00069181 = 10.1004 BTC [-] [15:58]
mircea_popescu enforce the right balance between "keep updated!!11" and "fucking fork already" by default. [15:58]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: can always specify --wot foundation --- dir containing ben_vulpes and mod6 keys only [15:58]
mircea_popescu was more talking about the cauise where you want half of x's patches. [15:58]
ascii_field anyway thing is made in such a way that operator is forced to remain aware of what patch set he is pressing [15:58]
mircea_popescu you'll be surprised. [15:59]
ascii_field and can always cp -r patches patchesprime; rm patchesprime/xxx ..... [15:59]
deedbot- [Qntra] Small Mining Firm Takes Regulatory Compliance Pill, Moves to the Dark Side - http://qntra.net/2015/08/small-mining-firm-takes-regulatory-compliance-pill-moves-to-the-dark-side/ [15:59]
ascii_field 'These companies are genuinely trying to do things right, to protect their customers, and prevent their businesses from facilitating criminal activity. We're proud to provide the KYC, fraud prevention, and monitoring technologies these businesses use to identify and prevent suspicious activity, as part of their AML program to comply with U.S. and international regulations.' << l0l!! [16:03]
BingoBoingo Seriously. [16:05]
ascii_field can't wait for the usg yottahash mining farm where you need a signature from hitler to get your tx baked into block [16:05]
mircea_popescu eh fuck that. [16:05]
mircea_popescu before that we'll fork it with new pow and better design. [16:05]
mircea_popescu what i said when i opened this entire dispute, specifically, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-31.0-31.247 stands. [16:06]
mircea_popescu HE doesn't. [16:06]
assbot Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJeUVD ) [16:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257206 << ffs. you still not getting any emails ? [16:08]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 14:47:57; shinohai: Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits. [16:08]
mircea_popescu ditych that shitty provider, w/e it is. [16:08]
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shinohai mircea_popescu: only provider in this area is stoopid comcast or AT&T [16:18]
shinohai AT&T only has 4G [16:18]
mircea_popescu of email ?! [16:19]
shinohai no 4G mobile internet [16:20]
shinohai No router or anything u can hook anything to [16:20]
mircea_popescu my point is, if your email provider is eating your emails, try a different one. [16:20]
jurov shinohai you have only one email? [16:21]
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mircea_popescu yes. iirc that was the problem, you never got the emails yes ? [16:21]
shinohai No jurov I actually bothered to make 2 xD [16:21]
shinohai that is correct. When I finish this install I got going I'll try to make a new addy [16:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257244 << o.O [16:23]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 16:27:30; pete_dushenski: jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise [16:23]
trinque provide your own email [16:23]
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trinque how hard is postfix to set up? [16:23]
trinque not very [16:23]
mircea_popescu some people dun wanna run servers. i know i spent a while deliberately not doing it. [16:24]
trinque yeah, I'll admit it's a pain in the ass [16:24]
jurov since i happen to manage an email server already, if anyone in the wot is interested, can set up imap box [16:25]
jurov no spamfiltering or webmail tho [16:25]
trinque jurov: nice. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ? [16:26]
trinque shinohai: one of those TP-Link guys will turn a 4g connection into a local hotspot [16:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257260 << lol teh experience of wiser men that came before. [16:27]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 16:34:16; mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat [16:27]
trinque I have a pile of tp-links; they're ok [16:27]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257273 << your dns calls might be rate limited somewhere ? [16:29]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 17:33:11; jurov: unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution" [16:29]
trinque if so, perhaps nscd would help [16:29]
jurov limited to less than one per minute? that would be very bad [16:29]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. but yes you're not the only one noticing this [16:30]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257286 << as opposed to when, exactly, iyo ? [16:36]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 17:50:20; trinque: time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person. [16:36]
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trinque perhaps that's overly broad. I understand there to have been a time where one could experiment with radio equipment or do chemistry in their garage without being arrested. [16:37]
mircea_popescu because at that time it couldn't have been that you'd do anything useful. [16:37]
mircea_popescu so yes in weimar, no in 3rd reich. [16:37]
trinque I could easily see the point that the useful are always dangerous. [16:38]
ascii_field very yes in '80 su [16:38]
mircea_popescu point being, the two options are either the tyranny of the many against the few, or the tyranny of the few against the many. [16:38]
ascii_field my brother made every major type of explosive (in small pieces), we set'em off in little vials buried in the ground at summer house. [16:38]
mircea_popescu alf had a dacha ? [16:39]
ascii_field we did! [16:39]
mircea_popescu "but who comes from a country where they own a pony to a non-pony owning country!" [16:39]
ascii_field it paid for the plane tickets, even. [16:39]
ascii_field (part of'em) [16:39]
ascii_field i recently 'google street'-ed the spot where it stood. neither it nor any of the neighbouring cottages remain [16:40]
ascii_field actual rich folks houses stand there now. [16:40]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1087109 << related. [16:40]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 19:50:10; asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because: [16:40]
trinque ^lol! [16:42]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field incidentally you might appreciate http://trilema.com/2009/de-vorba-cu-gismo-smiley/ [17:01]
assbot De vorba cu Gismo Smiley. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHgtRG ) [17:01]
mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257323 << the 'else' keyword in the 'for else' python construct [17:03]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 18:06:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257083 << which keyword ? [17:03]
mircea_popescu oh [17:03]
* mircea_popescu thought knuth predated python [17:04]
mats he does. he devised the construct in C for specific jump calls, and it was adapted into python iirc [17:06]
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mircea_popescu fucking internet. so : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#comment-92994 references an "archive link" [17:07]
assbot Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwxddW ) [17:07]
mircea_popescu which "archive" now says, "We are working hard to fix all the missing resources at Digital Inspiration. If you need anything urgent, please send me an email at amit@labnol.org." [17:07]
mircea_popescu fuck you amit. [17:08]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-08-2015#1257084 << x64 doesn't have'em. [17:17]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 07:47:23; mats: fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases. [17:17]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:17]
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punkman https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/backdooring-js/ [17:30]
assbot backdooring your javascript using minifier bugs | discrete blogarithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHhJEp ) [17:30]
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ascii_field http://i.imgur.com/ibUaHil.gifv << sapping practice. [17:57]
assbot Jenga lost it's appeal in 1977.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHjGRf ) [17:57]
thestringpuller http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/tickets/ << wow this is obscene. WHy is Coindesk still a thing? [17:58]
ascii_field kons3ns00s!!! [17:58]
thestringpuller 1500 for a standard ticket? nigga plz [17:58]
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mircea_popescu lol about what bitcoin conference did neh ? [18:01]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255068 << see also [18:02]
assbot Logged on 28-08-2015 22:11:52; ascii_field: srsly, 'consensus' ?! [18:02]
jurov how is alf's dacha flushing outhouse toilet relevant? [18:02]
thestringpuller http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/agenda/ << why would you pay 1500 to see this shit show? [18:02]
ascii_field jurov: thread concerned 'times and places hobby chemistry was not yet forbidden' [18:03]
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jurov thestringpuller: who do you mean by "you" [18:03]
jurov i dun see any such niggers around here [18:03]
ascii_field prolly one of those things which no one is ever at on his own free will [18:04]
ascii_field other than the camp followers [18:04]
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thestringpuller jurov: why would anyone*** << better ? [18:05]
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jurov :) [18:06]
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jurov https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ wow. such invention [18:10]
assbot Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwE871 ) [18:10]
jurov $ machinectl shell [18:10]
jurov Connected to the local host. Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session. [18:11]
trinque wtf? [18:11]
jurov really, wtf. [18:11]
ascii_field ugh [18:11]
trinque "I understand this is confusing and unexpected, but well, that’s UNIX…" [18:12]
jurov never stumbled upon "su -"? [18:13]
trinque look that's confusing [18:14]
jurov and the x popup is spiffy. 'cuz xterminal can't be trusted with passwords [18:14]
mircea_popescu ahahaha systemd now su's ? [18:14]
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punkman "Next up: Systemd replaces “confusing” unix ls command with new and clean filectl command." [18:30]
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trinque arsectl shit | mouthctl open [18:34]
trinque and really shouldn't the pipe be reimplemented to use dbus? [18:34]
mircea_popescu definitely. [18:34]
trinque meanwhile dbus really should have network connectivity (I'm going out on a limb assuming it still does not) [18:36]
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punkman trinque: it does [18:36]
trinque mein gott [18:36]
jurov trinque i have recently read about it.. apparently it does but you have to disable all access control to use it :D [18:36]
trinque jurov: well certainly that's inconvenient. [18:36]
punkman trinque: it has been used to exploit a Jeep [18:37]
trinque oh is that how they got in? [18:37]
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trinque and dbus was in the jeep?! [18:37]
punkman "A demonstration of the D-Bus problem is the recent Jeep hack by researchers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek. The root problem was that D-Bus was openly (without authentication) accessible from the Internet." [18:37]
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trinque dbus is among pulseaudio and other things I neuter the fuck out of my systems [18:37]
trinque punkman: glorious [18:37]
punkman when is pulseaudio getting merged in systemd [18:37]
trinque audioctl when, indeed. [18:37]
jurov and pr0nctl [18:38]
trinque this must be the singularity they were talking about [18:38]
trinque no one can stop the run-away shitification [18:38]
jurov then they will merge sql database and go where even microsoft did not dare [18:38]
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trinque well hell, that CoreOS (which is a breeding ground for systemd nonsense) has etcd [18:39]
trinque so not sql, but yes a networked database for config [18:39]
jurov registry is already there (via gnome) [18:40]
trinque myup gconf, and there's another one I'm forgetting [18:40]
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ascii_field all this also tastes great ! with a balanced diet of that gui-in-kernel-just-like-microshit that was being pushed to replace x11 [18:41]
punkman etcd is a distributed k-v store thingy [18:41]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257660 <<< I'll get right on that. [18:41]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 21:35:43; jurov: and pr0nctl [18:41]
* shinohai imagines it might look similar to this: https://i.imgur.com/u9MrIO6.jpg [18:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnV6Gy ) [18:42]
ascii_field https://i.imgur.com/ChKc5CZ.jpg << eureka ! [18:44]
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punkman lol [18:44]
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jurov KEEP THE EARTH WET AT ALL TIMES [18:45]
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trinque shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo [18:46]
trinque pornctl deny all from @tattoed [18:47]
jurov !pornctl bait [18:47]
shinohai ok, lemme find somethin less trashy [18:47]
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mircea_popescu dbus needs network connectivity to maintain a list of ddos ips. [18:50]
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mircea_popescu trinque> well hell, that CoreOS << /me can not help but notice the "core" symbol. [18:51]
jurov debian-xt upcoming [18:52]
trinque mircea_popescu: kinda gape-y neh? [18:52]
punkman http://askubuntu.com/questions/665359/systemd-is-really-slow-in-comparison-to-upstart [18:52]
assbot boot - Systemd is really slow in comparison to upstart - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnVrZK ) [18:52]
mircea_popescu FUD AND LIES [18:53]
mircea_popescu systemd BOOTS FASTER!!111 [18:53]
trinque ^ openrc is damned fast, for whatever that matters, the boot-per-week or something I do [18:53]
mircea_popescu boots 50%^H^H40^H^H18%!!!! faster than anything else. including the things that boot 100x less frequently./ [18:53]
trinque "this house was built as quickly as possible" [18:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, very fortunate that b-a never happened. [18:54]
trinque oh good. [18:54]
mircea_popescu trinque the tattoo is not as much of a problem as the bs string. "really needed" because omg [18:55]
trinque yeah otherwise indecent huh? [18:55]
trinque glorious figure; no faulting her there [18:56]
trinque the dumb stars became a trend in the last ten years or so [18:56]
trinque least among skanks I've known [18:56]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with it ? [18:56]
mircea_popescu buttcrack tattoos are painful. [18:56]
trinque just "yeah I'll take that one too" walmart style [18:57]
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pete_dushenski !up ascii_field [19:12]
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pete_dushenski http://m.columbiatribune.com/news/local/college-student-would-be-sole-voter-in-cid-sales-tax/article_6702c44b-0243-51f8-861c-1df0b462cd92.html << votes matter u guise ! [19:12]
pete_dushenski "On Feb. 28, Jen Henderson, 23, became the sole registered voter living within the community improvement district, or CID, meaning she is the only person who would vote on a half-cent sales tax increase for the district." [19:12]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257556 << nyet [19:14]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ? [19:14]
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mircea_popescu prolly fore the best. [19:14]
pete_dushenski fore sure [19:14]
mircea_popescu >D [19:14]
pete_dushenski let the little dude have his fun ! [19:14]
pete_dushenski what am i, the fun police ? [19:14]
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trinque ah come on, what's life without a little compulsory genital modification? [19:15]
ascii_field dulap! [19:15]
pete_dushenski the whole point of this b-a/bitcoin experiment is to shoot the fun people in the heads with their own no-so-funny bullets, neh [19:15]
pete_dushenski s/people/police omgerd [19:15]
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pete_dushenski trinque: in a word : african [19:16]
pete_dushenski or i should say : non-african [19:17]
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trinque myup [19:18]
trinque ascii_field: does make me wonder if the thing's something like "and don't make us come for the rest of it!" [19:24]
trinque amusing, even if not so [19:24]
ascii_field schlllt. [19:24]
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mircea_popescu it's prolly EXACTLY so. [19:28]
pete_dushenski http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NU-IK61UMYU/VeGvPmUlEyI/AAAAAAAAiSo/jw51kFPRxz0/s640/zKuCJ0P.jpg << costa concordia [19:30]
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deedbot- [Qntra] BIP-101 Syndicate Shares Fiat Ties, Opposition to Actual Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/08/bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin/ [19:38]
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pete_dushenski " Qntra earlier reported Pierce, replaced Vessennes' as chairman of the now defunct Bitcoin Fundation (note for editor: find something to call it so it's not confused with the real bitcoin) back in April," << calling all cars to the scene [19:40]
pete_dushenski ^ BingoBoingo [19:40]
pete_dushenski cazalla too [19:41]
BingoBoingo fxd [19:41]
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pete_dushenski coolio [19:42]
pete_dushenski https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNr0SedVAAAnDL-.jpg << kids these days [19:42]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ? [19:48]
mircea_popescu but not bad. [19:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069949 = 7.8343 BTC [-] [19:49]
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trinque suggestion: s/Concern was raised of the BIP-101 syndicate when many of their VCs overlapped./That many in the BIP-101 syndicate share VCs is ample cause for concern./ [19:53]
trinque something like that, sentence is a little weird [19:53]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257556 << said no, iirc [19:55]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ? [19:55]
* pete_dushenski waits for ben to scroll down [19:55]
trinque Today on Foreskins of the Republic! [19:55]
pete_dushenski Days of Our Foreskins [19:56]
trinque lol [19:56]
ben_vulpes haha i was writing that one [19:56]
pete_dushenski the 'today of...' lead in eh [19:56]
pete_dushenski on* [19:56]
trinque get your own foreskin news broadcast. [19:57]
* trinque goes for food [19:57]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257679 << haters [19:59]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 21:44:12; trinque: shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo [19:59]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257703 << bone's /rather/ close to the surface there. [20:00]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 21:54:24; mircea_popescu: buttcrack tattoos are painful. [20:00]
ben_vulpes also, pain! who doesn't like honest signals. [20:00]
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ben_vulpes ascii_field: didja ship 99K with the 100K version string still in or am i misunderstanding something? [20:02]
deedbot- [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-august-2015-statement/ [20:02]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [20:02]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: mistake [20:02]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: should be 99 [20:02]
ascii_field next is to be 98. [20:02]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: tried the thing yet ? [20:03]
Michail1 midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [20:11]
Michail1 midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [20:11]
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mircea_popescu re s.mg report : that game's actually getting an economy and everything! macro variables visible, a money/goods raport emerges, whatnot [20:12]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ? << fixed link was living in: (text) [20:12]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading. [20:13]
mircea_popescu (the driver of inflation is the circumstance that in any economy, the monetary value of circulating capital and the monetary value of goods sit in a certain, fixed proportion) [20:13]
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mircea_popescu you can't have a trillion worth of dollars and ten dollar's worth of cake. [20:14]
mircea_popescu you conversely can't have a trillion worth of cake and ten dollars in cash. [20:14]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257767 << any nitpicks thus far ? [20:18]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 23:11:01; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading. [20:18]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: thing has many sharp corners and probably one or two outright mistakes. [20:20]
trinque it at least didn't take any fingers last night when I fired it up [20:20]
ascii_field just reminding folks that this is not (yet) lifesupportquality proggy. [20:20]
ben_vulpes myriad pepeightteries at first glance [20:22]
ascii_field ?? [20:22]
ben_vulpes things that "professional pythonistas" bitch about all day that impact execution approximately nil. [20:23]
ascii_field i fucking hate the language. [20:23]
ascii_field ~almost~ as much as i hate perl. [20:23]
mircea_popescu but alf! it takes 85 muscles to hate and only 1 to take it up the as! [20:23]
ascii_field i thought it was '1 to pull trigger' [20:24]
trinque !b 3 [20:24]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WAGSYH.txt ) [20:24]
mircea_popescu you kidding there's so many tarsal flexors involved [20:24]
ascii_field nah that's only if you're aiming [20:24]
mircea_popescu "shoot without aiming", "taking it up the ass", what the hell's the difference. [20:24]
ascii_field !s for piglet [20:24]
assbot 2 results for 'for piglet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=for+piglet [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1971 @ 0.00068844 = 1.3569 BTC [-] [20:25]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176872 [20:26]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!' [20:26]
ascii_field and i shudder to think of 'professional pythonistas' and what they do. [20:26]
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ascii_field are there 'professional awkistas' ? [20:26]
ascii_field grepistas? [20:27]
mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=444 [20:27]
mircea_popescu bwhaahha [20:27]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt0anP ) [20:27]
mircea_popescu dude thre bash is pretty cool [20:27]
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ascii_field would be even cooler if it updated [20:28]
kakobrekla wanna admin it? [20:28]
ascii_field right after victory [20:28]
ascii_field kakobrekla: does the thing get spammed much from the www box ? [20:29]
kakobrekla not at all, but i have a process for approving bashes [20:29]
kakobrekla occasionally i check the buffer and remove the bad ones, the good ones get re-read the next time and when i feel strongly enough about the one waiting the longest i approve a batch, as deep as it goes [20:32]
kakobrekla then jurov comes and just clicks approve on everything. [20:33]
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trinque ascii_field: I'll tell you what a professional pythonista does... [20:34]
kakobrekla !up ascii_field [20:34]
trinque he tapes various shitty open source modules together for about 1yr, then gets another job [20:34]
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kakobrekla also often i end up checking the log if the bash can be framed better [20:37]
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kakobrekla on that note also let it be known i score bashes including links quite low for various reasons [20:39]
ascii_field i would offer to help kakobrekla but doubt that i could possibly improve on his process... [20:41]
ascii_field it is more or less ideal. [20:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00069498 = 5.2471 BTC [+] [20:41]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: long lines of octothorpes denominate sections, correct? [20:42]
ascii_field aha. decoratively [20:43]
ascii_field (has no mechanical function) [20:43]
ben_vulpes "Memoize" means to store in memory during the course of a run? [20:44]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: if you are expert with the language, do not hesitate to simplify routines / fix oddities of whatever kind, and post signed revisions... [20:44]
ascii_field memoize is an actual term of art [20:44]
ascii_field http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/introsml/techniques/memoization.htm [20:44]
assbot Memoization and Laziness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt2QSi ) [20:44]
* ascii_field thought it was well-known and unremarkable [20:45]
punkman I'd say it is [20:45]
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ben_vulpes you overestimate my familiarity with the 'art' [20:45]
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ben_vulpes hy [20:47]
ben_vulpes hyu* [20:47]
ben_vulpes my working copy is called "v2.py" [20:47]
ascii_field ndai. [20:47]
ben_vulpes why i find this amusing is left as an exercise to the logreader. [20:47]
trinque rocket! [20:47]
ascii_field 'once ze rocketz go up...!' [20:47]
ascii_field who cares where they come down! [20:47]
ascii_field 'it's not mein department,' said wehrner von braun ! [20:48]
ben_vulpes anyways, simplify routines/fix oddities/tidy up implies a 'git' style megapatch. u vant it should be engranularized? [20:50]
ascii_field i know how to run 'diff'. [20:50]
ascii_field whole thing is what, 3 pgs of a4 ? [20:50]
ascii_field clean to your heart's desire. so long as it gets shorter. [20:51]
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kakobrekla hrm [20:54]
kakobrekla needs fixing. [20:55]
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mod6 asciilifeform: I took a look at v99 just briefly, so far, looks good. I dropped in my sigs from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html into ~/.seals along with the sigs/*.sig files that it comes with and I was able to genereate the following: http://dpaste.com/198XBTF.txt [21:43]
assbot [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf ) [21:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4VGbt ) [21:43]
mod6 Will work through some more of this tomorrow after I get the SoBA out. [21:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx [22:03]
asciilifeform mod6: neato. try 'pressing', get a feel for how it works. [22:03]
mod6 ok i'll give it a whirl. [22:04]
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asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/1571 << l337 m4rk3t1ng [22:05]
assbot xkcd: Car Model Names ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI76RF ) [22:06]
asciilifeform who wouldn't want a 'toyota cervixxx' ! [22:07]
asciilifeform take the ol' 'nissan doody' and 'volkswagen woodpony' to the scrapyard. [22:07]
phf growing up on a dacha i remember putting quicklime (calcium oxide) into sealed containers with water. one time a friend of mine got his vein opened with glass shrapnel, my grandfather drove him to a hospital and that was the extent of drama, no national news, no "dangers of quicklime", no concerned mothers calling for bans [22:08]
mod6 haha 'toyota cervixxx' [22:08]
* asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names... [22:08]
asciilifeform phf: related: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html [22:09]
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assbot Social osteoporosis (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI7Aae ) [22:09]
mod6 i've kinda heard this too - you buy a word from them that hits on certain brain based reactions. something like that. [22:09]
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* punkman made crappy gunpowder with other kids, nobody was maimed [22:11]
* asciilifeform also [22:11]
phf oh man, i think we would build another version of "metal pipe + match shavings" every other summer [22:12]
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asciilifeform good for 20years-to-life (tm) in good old usa [22:13]
asciilifeform 'possession of terrorist weapon' [22:13]
phf i thought twice before googling "негашеная известь бомба" just now, pretty sure on a list at this point. thought i suspect hanging out on b-a does that too [22:14]
asciilifeform phf: american kids make same jar with vinegar and soda, iirc [22:15]
mats such interesting childhoods [22:17]
punkman hydrochloric acid and strips of aluminum foil > vinegar [22:19]
asciilifeform punkman: point being that boy finds vinegar in mother's kitchen [22:19]
punkman asciilifeform: and hydrochloric acid in the bathroom cleaning materials [22:20]
asciilifeform punkman: uncommon in modern usa [22:20]
asciilifeform punkman: usually it is either ammonia, or enzymatic detergent crud [22:20]
asciilifeform heavy on the perfumes and dyes, light on items-which-actually-dissolve-things [22:21]
punkman I never mixed the thing myself, but I saw a kid make a pretty big fireball once [22:21]
phf oh vinegar is acetic acid [22:21]
asciilifeform much of the 'progress' in common household chem in the past few decades focused on making things less... repurposable [22:22]
asciilifeform from sneeze meds that are less meth-worthy to floor cleaners lacking acids [22:22]
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phf seems like it's the same in pharmacology [22:22]
asciilifeform phf: aha. dxm, for instance, is just codeine-with-less-bloodbrainbarrier-penetration [22:23]
asciilifeform ditto loperamide (antidiarrheal common in usa) [22:23]
asciilifeform and prolly six other common pharmacy items i can't recall immediately. [22:23]
asciilifeform all the same basic theme. [22:23]
asciilifeform 'slave has no business doing what is not on the menu' [22:24]
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asciilifeform this, just as was predicted ~15 years ago, is to be applied to electronics as well as chemistry. [22:25]
asciilifeform see thread, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257284 [22:25]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 17:49:55; ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in [22:25]
phf more like bureaucratic cancer. bureaucrat is "responsible" for an area of human endeavor, same way as cancer is responsible for your lungs or liver [22:26]
asciilifeform general-purpose programmable computer is far more feared by usg than the most powerful dynamite. [22:26]
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asciilifeform young people already make a face of disbelief if you tell'em that when you were a boy it was routine to modify the asm routines of your os directly, or bypass them entirely [22:29]
asciilifeform or that 'remote update' was not yet a thing [22:29]
asciilifeform this trend carries on. [22:30]
asciilifeform it was naive of rms & co. to predict 'microshit will ban linux' in '01 or whenever the 'palladium' thing started going [22:31]
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asciilifeform no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you [22:31]
asciilifeform that you can run on the nintendoized cpu. [22:31]
asciilifeform complete with systemd-in-silicon [22:32]
asciilifeform unless mircea_popescu pulls a cpu fab out of his shirt pocket, there is nothing preventing this disease from progressing. [22:33]
phf it's a common thread here, the whole rise of "open" as true openness disappears. to paraphrase snl skit, "our hardware is maker open - what does that mean? - not open" [22:34]
phf odd to read rms from 10-15 years ago and see his predictions come out right.. [22:34]
asciilifeform phf: except, in ways no one afaik particularly expected to be possible, ~more~ direly than rms predicted. [22:34]
phf yes! [22:35]
asciilifeform this is because rms likely grew up on the usual 20th c. dystopian fictions where there is always folks struggling to escape, etc [22:35]
asciilifeform on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it [22:36]
phf right, well, it's the whole 1984 vs brave new world [22:36]
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asciilifeform in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on the ccd. [22:37]
asciilifeform re: 'nintendoized' cpu: folks who are counting on the chinese to 'carry the torch' of real computer, are fooling themselves [22:38]
asciilifeform they are not interested in it any more than usg is. [22:38]
asciilifeform they would, in fact, make exact copies of intel's crud (complete with nsa) -- if they could. (ever wonder why they do not?) [22:39]
punkman they don't? [22:41]
asciilifeform nope. [22:41]
phf it's probably heinlein point, true freedom exists only at frontier, but because folk are preoccupied with practical things like "how to survive" rather then "my neighbor is smoking weed and ~gasp~ enjoying it" [22:41]
asciilifeform and even their cheap 'arm' cores are direct-licensed now, from britain. [22:41]
phf while china is playing catch up, you get a computing equivalent of wild west with areas where the control simply didn't have resources to manifest, as soon as u.s. stops driving chip design, china will start closing up same holes u.s. is in the process of closing up right now [22:42]
asciilifeform this is a perpetual 'will tomorrow' [22:43]
asciilifeform so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz [22:43]
asciilifeform with the same 3 american vendors supplying it [22:43]
asciilifeform (at a few $mil a pop) [22:43]
asciilifeform there is no sign of the slightest threat of this changing. [22:43]
asciilifeform and - even aside from the winblowz, this actually matters. none of it will do general-purpose asynchronous logic, for instance. [22:44]
asciilifeform and this is just one particular kind of factory, note. [22:45]
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asciilifeform one time, out of idle curiosity, i looked into what it would have taken .ir to run natanz u refinery on not-winblowz [22:45]
asciilifeform they would have had to build own electronics industry then. [22:46]
phf it's the main factory though, since everything else can be done pashtun style [22:46]
asciilifeform this is also an illusion [22:46]
asciilifeform try making so much as something like a reasonable diesel engine 'pashtun-style' [22:46]
asciilifeform there is, after all, a reason why civilized men drive ferrari while the pashtun lives and dies in own shit and fucks goats [22:48]
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asciilifeform and is only alive because civilized man has not computed a +roi for neutron-bombing him [22:48]
phf that's not a problem that i'm facing though, since i don't know of diddle diesel engines (i'm sure they are but..) [22:51]
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asciilifeform phf: diddling is not the only or even the most traditional exertion of control by the crown [22:53]
asciilifeform more commonly it is simply to deny modern tech to the vanquished [22:53]
asciilifeform as american pc was denied to su [22:53]
asciilifeform or cnc milling machine [22:53]
asciilifeform or rifle, to the zulu [22:53]
asciilifeform etc. [22:53]
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phf i don't know how much of this concern is driving cause vs. purposes, i.e. real limitations experiences by you vs. building civilization from first principles anathema millenials style. [22:56]
phf *is driven by [22:56]
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phf i know that my computing rug is slowly being swept from under me [22:57]
asciilifeform the rug was somewhat imaginary to begin with. [23:00]
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phf that's obvious with hindsight, but imaginary in the same sense that лихие 90ые were imaginary, or really any other "interesting times" [23:04]
asciilifeform aha. [23:04]
asciilifeform but more practically, user hasn't had true grasp of his hardware for a very long time. at least since mid-80s. [23:05]
asciilifeform so he was 'spread but not entered yet' [23:05]
asciilifeform or think of even something so humble as msdos. despite the fact that you could fill several bookcases with material like 'norton's guide', 'undocumented dos', etc. the thing was never fully reverse-engineered by anyone [23:07]
asciilifeform to the point that 'freedos' still won't run certain gamez [23:07]
asciilifeform and this despite the fact that msdos 6.2 source leaked in late '90s [23:07]
asciilifeform (freedos folks make a show of refusing to look at it) [23:07]
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phf yes nobody will be able to build freewindows10 [23:12]
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phf at some point you had SAIL and Augment basically design by men for men, lisp machines, xerox park as products of that. later you get two bit hacks selling imperfect copies of the glimpsed technology, thats your 80s and 90s. at this point there's already "no grasp", but the control is limited, basically a byproduct of commercialism. now you get the next stage, which is when the bureaucrats are getting involved [23:23]
BingoBoingo cmake is a piece of shit [23:29]
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gernika my daughter is currently playing with logo on freedos. freedos is perfect for kids. [23:30]
gernika boots up to C:. Then they just have to type in the name of the game they want to play and hit enter. [23:31]
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asciilifeform gernika: no argument. my point concerned the traditional argument 'oh but anything can be reverse-engineered perfectly' [23:36]
asciilifeform yes, it can. but it is rare for anyone to give the megatonne of shit that must be given, for it to actually happen; [23:37]
asciilifeform and when it happens, it is normally for commercial reasons and in secret [23:37]
asciilifeform rather then 'bower to the beoble' [23:37]
gernika asciilifeform aha. so that's why comander keen doesn't even work. [23:38]
asciilifeform aha. [23:38]
* asciilifeform fond of commander keen. [23:38]
asciilifeform recall his brief cameo appearance in wolfenstein ? [23:39]
gernika I do not. [23:39]
asciilifeform or hm, was it in doom ii [23:39]
asciilifeform ^ apparently [23:40]
asciilifeform http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Commander_Keen [23:40]
assbot Commander Keen - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org - Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife, and more ... ( http://bit.ly/1KATjwL ) [23:40]
* phf spent more time with duke nukem [23:40]
gernika Tried derive.exe on freedos too - doesn't work either. [23:40]
asciilifeform ^ also good timez. [23:40]
asciilifeform gernika: now ~that~ is odd [23:40]
asciilifeform it runs fucking everywhere [23:40]
gernika it starts - but the screen is filled with garbage [23:40]
gernika executes commands, etc [23:40]
asciilifeform sometimes i wonder if 'freedos' is actually run by wreckers [23:41]
asciilifeform a 'bitcoin phoundation' of a kind [23:41]
asciilifeform there are some very serious folks who are working on having it be forgotten that a 486 was an entirely usable thing, and in many ways a superior cultural artifact, all things considered, than the computer you and i are sitting in front of today [23:45]
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phf what isn't. at some point freedos was legit in a poc||gtfo kind of way, i.e. "we did it for the lulz", but now it's positioned as the only legitimate way to run dos programs. that you of course purchased from GoG. [23:45]
asciilifeform esp. considering the games. [23:45]
asciilifeform ahahahaha [23:46]
asciilifeform always there is a one of these, lurking inside [23:46]
asciilifeform whenever you scratch the surface of damn near anything. [23:46]
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phf how else would you ensure that linus is not mean to anybody? [23:49]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257800 << it's updated, what. most recent this month. [23:53]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2015 23:26:04; ascii_field: would be even cooler if it updated [23:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: after the thread! [23:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257852 << you're telling me like i'm the one shitting in the broadband lol [23:56]
assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 01:00:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx [23:56]
asciilifeform l0l [23:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257861 << and it's run by george costanza, "name your daughter soda" [23:58]
assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 01:05:59; *: asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names... [23:58]
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