Forum logs for 30 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation asciilifeform: did you try the feed block thing [00:03]
decimation http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/cerberus/notes50-2015-05-24-survey-discussion.html < C horribles [00:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtJOS2 ) [00:17]
asciilifeform decimation: i just now wrote the patch, l0l [00:20]
asciilifeform when would i have tried [00:20]
decimation "If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?" [00:20]
decimation asciilifeform: it seems like a clever script could stuff into bitcoind 'as is' [00:21]
asciilifeform decimation: sure [00:21]
asciilifeform decimation: by emulating a node, etc [00:21]
asciilifeform but why. [00:21]
decimation yeah, patch is better, agreed [00:21]
asciilifeform (who wants, can write this. i've no strong desire to) [00:21]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181475 << this is not even the worst known abuse. one book (forget whose) actually suggested 'just in time compilation' on arbitrary (!) machines by snarfing up binary routines from function pointers and memcpying them into a buffer, then (*foo)()-ing in... [00:23]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 03:16:41; decimation: "If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?" [00:23]
asciilifeform this has all the appeal of the russian prison teapot (consisting of a mug, two nails, and a mains socket) [00:24]
asciilifeform but hey, 'it works!!111!!1111' [00:24]
decimation heh "Can you make a usable copy of a pointer by copying its representation bytes with code that indirectly computes the identity function on them, e.g. writing the pointer value to a file and then reading it back, and using compression or encryption on the way?" [00:25]
decimation ^ kinda what you said [00:25]
decimation "I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)" [00:25]
decimation good lord, how much software that people use every day is written like this? [00:26]
asciilifeform 100% ? [00:26]
decimation "You can go much stronger than that. Many security mitigation techniques rely on being able to XOR a pointer with one or more values and recover the pointer later by again XORing with one or more possible different values, (whose total XOR is the same as the original set). (Richard Black)" [00:27]
decimation lol who are you hiding from? eax? [00:27]
asciilifeform they are hiding from... me & colleagues [00:27]
asciilifeform and l0l, it doesn't work terribly well. [00:27]
asciilifeform 'On PICs and MCS51s, the two objects could actually be in different data spaces (e.g. RAM vs flash memory).' << correct. at least for the pic16xxx series, which i've used for many years. it is called 'harvard architecture' [00:30]
asciilifeform used to be fairly common on micros [00:30]
asciilifeform (the starvation-cheap kind) [00:31]
asciilifeform pic16f84, my favourite when i was a schoolboy, has 8-bit data word but 14-bit code word, in entirely separate address spaces [00:31]
asciilifeform physically had no way to 'jump into' data [00:32]
decimation this has confused n00bs when you mention the 'von neumann' arch [00:32]
asciilifeform (or, for that matter, refer to bits in code word unless such was designated as a 'return 8-bit constant' instruction) [00:32]
decimation they think 'harvard' is better with respect to your 'bedrock' complaints [00:33]
asciilifeform 'von neumann arch' traditionally means simply the very idea of having separate devices called memory and cpu [00:33]
asciilifeform where the latter is able to operate on a tiny portion of the former in any given operation [00:33]
asciilifeform 'harvard' is better in the same sense that it is better to be shot with a .22 than with a cannon [00:34]
decimation heh [00:34]
decimation at least it's concievable that you could point to the data and code ram chips [00:34]
asciilifeform gotta love those prison kettles [00:36]
asciilifeform that article ought to be required reading for shitgnomologists [00:37]
asciilifeform there is no conceivable reason to ever be doing any of the things described therein [00:37]
asciilifeform you can't even win 'underhanded c contest' with them. they're ~screamingly~ bad ideas. [00:37]
asciilifeform and anyone who is found to be deploying such code, for whatever purpose, ought to answer for it [00:38]
decimation 'but it works' [00:39]
asciilifeform until not. [00:39]
decimation 'you need to support our implementation' [00:39]
decimation you can imagine how gcc writers would tire of that kind of bullshit [00:40]
mats jurassic world was better than expected [00:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181488 << this is doubly lulzy considering that i just pulled my dead tree 'amd x86-64 programmer's manual vol. 2' off the shelf, sept. '02 edition, and it defines 52 bits of valid pointer in 64-bit word... [00:44]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 03:21:55; decimation: "I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)" [00:44]
decimation hehe [00:45]
asciilifeform yes, you probably won't find anything past 40 or so bits soldered on your mainboard [00:46]
asciilifeform but, there is the page table [00:46]
decimation heh I didn't realize that x86-64 kept page table [00:53]
asciilifeform of course it did [00:53]
asciilifeform how else could you do the whole mmu thing [00:54]
asciilifeform where each process thinks it owns the machine [00:54]
* decimation doesn't do much assembly [00:55]
asciilifeform ~segmentation~, that grim old idiocy from the 16-bit 8086 days, gets disabled [00:55]
asciilifeform (mostly) [00:55]
decimation but in retrospect, makes sense [00:55]
decimation I thought i386 added even more segmentation [00:55]
asciilifeform speaking of 64-bit ('long') mode here [00:55]
asciilifeform it is ~almost~ like a rationally-designed (e.g., 'alpha') cpu [00:56]
asciilifeform this is not an accident; amd hired away most of the old dec team who built alpha [00:56]
decimation ^ also note intel was derping with itanic around then [00:56]
asciilifeform no one ever really built a halfway decent compiler for 'vliw' machines (like itanic) [00:57]
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asciilifeform http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29430125/governor-puerto-rico-near-death-spiral [01:06]
assbot Governor: Puerto Rico near 'death spiral' - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4CkH8 ) [01:06]
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asciilifeform if kim jong un had balls, perhaps he'd buy it. [01:09]
trinque all that guy wants to do is drink hennesy and fuck bitches. [01:10]
asciilifeform to be fair, pretty much everything we know about him comes from south kr (read: usg) mediatrons [01:11]
decimation lolz as if puerto rico was anything other than a vassal of usg [01:12]
decimation they can go into infinite usd debt [01:12]
asciilifeform (e.g., the 'uncle fed to dogs' has since been seen, the gurlphriend beheaded for starring in pr0n has been appearing in public, the footballists 'shot for losing' are playing today...) [01:13]
asciilifeform decimation: yes, can go into infinite debt; while usg uses the island for bomb practice [01:13]
asciilifeform (the one and only purpose it serves) [01:14]
decimation heh [01:14]
decimation http://www.naturalnews.com/040671_Puerto_Rico_food_stamps_SNAP_program.html [01:14]
assbot One-third of population of Puerto Rico now getting federal food stamps - NaturalNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4DD8X ) [01:14]
asciilifeform if they ever feel like having an actual economy (or simply switching 'sugar daddies') they know who to call [01:15]
asciilifeform (or do they) [01:15]
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decimation my understanding is everyone who is worth a damn has already left [01:15]
decimation the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput [01:16]
mats hm, TIL USG shuttered USN base in puerto rico in 2000s [01:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 330 @ 0.00629999 = 2.079 BTC [-] {2} [01:16]
asciilifeform mats: interesting! did not know this. [01:16]
decimation that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two [01:17]
mats https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eE28ONB3/ [01:20]
assbot Pastebin | IRCCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROoPa7 ) [01:20]
mats asciilifeform: got an idea? a question in ##re i am also curious about answer to [01:21]
BingoBoingo that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two << Puerto Rico is basically USG brown people practice range [01:21]
asciilifeform mats: if within bounds for relative jump, uses that [01:21]
mats if not? [01:21]
asciilifeform otherwise a decent compiler does multiple passes [01:21]
mats ok, thought so [01:23]
mats thx [01:23]
asciilifeform http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_147.html << 32-bit [01:23]
assbot Shroud: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROpfxb ) [01:23]
asciilifeform note that 'long' (64) mode has no absolute far jump [01:24]
asciilifeform or rather, has no such with immediate value [01:25]
asciilifeform (you ~can~, e.g., 'jmp rax') [01:25]
asciilifeform anyone for whom this question is a routine matter really ought to own the book [01:25]
asciilifeform (mentioned earlier today) [01:25]
mats ive been studying asm for months and i still feel as lost as my first day [01:28]
asciilifeform mats: the only cure is to not only read but write [01:28]
asciilifeform and experiment [01:28]
mats like there's a superset of knowledge i'm missing [01:28]
asciilifeform there are at least two sub-fields here - how the machine is put together; and, what idioms are common (i.e. what does a particular compiler crap out and why?) [01:30]
mats alright [01:31]
asciilifeform mats: some of the more interesting aspects are, as always, corner cases. e.g., how does x86-64 treat self-modifying code? how does this impact cache? can unpriv. ('ring 3') code learn cache state? (to some extent - always!) etc. [01:32]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc [01:37]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 04:12:09; decimation: the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput [01:37]
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asciilifeform i'm not certain that there ever was a ~less~ sympathetic bunch of dekulakized folks than the cuban 'refugees' in usa [01:39]
asciilifeform (by some versions, these are the people who gave us... bush II) [01:40]
asciilifeform hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one [01:45]
* mod6 is still going on this thing. [01:48]
mod6 getting close though [01:48]
mod6 lotta stuff this month! [01:49]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point [02:01]
scoopbot_revived CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman/ [02:01]
decimation re: cubans [02:01]
decimation they wanna give us bush III too [02:02]
trinque I can think of another honorarium the republic might keep herr krugman in for entertainment purposes. [02:03]
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BingoBoingo Vending machine later [02:04]
trinque I'm thinking a sort of dunking booth with better toys. [02:04]
BingoBoingo But this is just another quicker example of documenting the kicks [02:06]
decimation heh http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/ [02:07]
assbot Shiller PE Ratio ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmfAxj ) [02:07]
decimation S&P 500 price/earnings ratio is looking pretty toppy... [02:07]
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trinque decimation: currency crisis or gtfo [02:08]
decimation !up Vexual [02:08]
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decimation trinque: looks like the eu is trying to start one [02:08]
trinque so tired of waiting for the horrible missteps of that which was once styled republic to incur their cost [02:09]
decimation lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/uber-bonds-term-sheet-reveals-470-million-in-operating-losses < related [02:09]
assbot Uber Bonds Term Sheet Reveals $470 Million in Operating Losses - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRPEIO ) [02:09]
punkman http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2015-06/0143.html [02:16]
assbot Curl: [SECURITY NOTICE] libidn with bad UTF8 input ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmggmm ) [02:16]
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punkman no, that's how "big in SV" works [02:23]
punkman silicon valley [02:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00046059 = 26.8063 BTC [+] {2} [02:25]
mats like a crack dealer doesn't understand a junkie [02:27]
punkman german citizens about as clueless as the greeks [02:27]
decimation germans have profited for years by loaning greeks eu dollars and then selling them shit to buy them back [02:29]
decimation it's all just a stupid shell game [02:29]
mod6 Ok, just about done. And that's jsut about all for me tonight. [02:29]
punkman would you vote in a referendum? [02:31]
mod6 I did remove the original http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/ source code browser for the one that was in /test/ with the Top->Bottom graphs. [02:31]
assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQAgi ) [02:31]
punkman think I'm gonna stick to my "no voting" policy [02:31]
mod6 So that one should be fine now. Tomorrow, I'll update the graphs in this one: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/ [02:32]
assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQANi ) [02:32]
decimation punkman: what if the referendum were for ending the popular vote? [02:32]
mats lol [02:33]
decimation I would vote for it [02:33]
mats i would question reality if this came to pass [02:33]
decimation mats: to believe it wouldn't pass is to believe that the voter places his own interest above that of the group [02:35]
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decimation which defeats the point of asking individuals to make a decision for the group [02:38]
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decimation Vexual: compulsory voting is a contradiction. like compulsory wealth. [02:45]
decimation did the local cops shoot on sight? [02:49]
decimation heh "A police spokesman said the officers were investigating an unrelated matter and did not know who he was, but Mr Rodman thought the police had come to arrest him and gave himself up." [02:50]
decimation poor guy was obviously paranoid [02:51]
decimation what's the point of 'escaping' to another country if you can't enjoy yourself [02:52]
decimation go to queensland and search his hovel :) [02:54]
cazalla Vexual, was prob a spy and his time was up [02:56]
decimation they were probably looking for the bum that shit on the local picnic tables [02:58]
decimation fella had a guilty conscience [02:58]
decimation cazalla: an american spy? why would usg bother? [02:59]
cazalla wonder how many seppos overstay their visa anyway [02:59]
decimation I doubt there's anything australia knows that they wouldn't happily give away in exchange for coin [02:59]
cazalla decimation, was being facetious [02:59]
decimation how's that marine base going [02:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00046393 = 43.6094 BTC [+] {2} [03:00]
cazalla decimation, which one? US has quite a few bases here now [03:01]
decimation I guess I was thinking of the new one near darwin [03:02]
punkman http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/after-bitcoin-loan-goes-south-judge-rules-man-must-repay-over-67000/ [03:02]
assbot After Bitcoin loan goes south, judge rules man must repay over $67,000 | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEaNt ) [03:02]
cazalla http://www.anti-bases.org/images/AustraliaUSAbases.gif (nfi how legit this map is but seeing it fits my narrative lol) [03:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEb3T ) [03:02]
decimation I think obama wanted to show china how serious he was back then [03:02]
cazalla one day hopefully can do some urbex at pinegap [03:03]
decimation lol seismic stations [03:04]
decimation oh no, usg is gonna know how u shakin [03:05]
decimation lots of countries in the world have anti-base posters like this in local language, yet more bases seem to be the order [03:06]
cazalla nah, i'd be going on dirt bike tbh [03:07]
decimation lol is that mad max [03:08]
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cazalla wouldn't it be sick if this got over the line on the last day https://bitbet.us/bet/1135/btc-to-top-350-before-1st-july/ [03:11]
assbot BitBet - BTC to top $350 before 1st July :: 7.39 B (10%) on Yes, 65.9 B (90%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kqnbg1 ) [03:11]
decimation is it ticking up? [03:11]
decimation ;;ticker [03:11]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.79, Best ask: 267.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 267.93, 24 hour volume: 43306.98643878, 24 hour low: 249.43, 24 hour high: 267.9, 24 hour vwap: None [03:11]
decimation heh [03:11]
decimation why outfit your mad max cruiser with that kind of tank? [03:12]
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decimation drive for 24 hours without refuel? [03:13]
cazalla who needs a servo Vexual when ya can carry a few tanks on a postie bike [03:13]
decimation bike doesn't need much gas [03:13]
decimation meanwhile your balls gonna fall off after hour 22 [03:13]
cazalla dunno but they go forever [03:15]
cazalla durable too, i'll get through any aussie terrain [03:15]
cazalla nah but a mate did [03:15]
cazalla i was gonna get one but got a zzr instead [03:16]
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mircea_popescu ahhh [16:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu! [16:31]
mircea_popescu heya. [16:31]
mircea_popescu dezastru ? [16:31]
mircea_popescu incidentally, i wonder how many times in the history of linux one has issued the command ;; [16:31]
mircea_popescu somehow i suspect its more common than kk [16:32]
ascii_field kein dezastru [16:32]
ascii_field but many good things [16:32]
* mircea_popescu is going to get top the logs just as soon as he's done hammering the seeder into shape [16:33]
mircea_popescu which should be soonish [16:33]
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mircea_popescu in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?" [16:37]
mircea_popescu i would have inquired whether front facing fanny or rear facing fanny, but i was pressed for time sadly. [16:37]
ascii_field l0l! [16:38]
BingoBoingo ascii_field probably isn't aware that exactly the same thing as dumpblock output is the phoundation's bootstrap.dat << As far as I'm aware the "bootstrap.dat" never got implemented in a way that worked beyond the first 2GB of blockchain on pre-v0.8 clients [16:38]
mircea_popescu afaik this ^ is correct [16:38]
* BingoBoingo spent some time dicking around with it when did OpenBSD 0.7.2 -ish build [16:40]
BingoBoingo Bootstrap.dat did what it was supposed to on v0.8.6 though, didn [16:41]
BingoBoingo 't much speed up sync because verification is still CPU bound [16:41]
ascii_field how was it generated ? [16:41]
BingoBoingo I think garzick had a script somewhere I'll did [16:42]
BingoBoingo *dig [16:42]
ascii_field and i beg to differ that direct arse-to-mouth of blocks 'doesn't speed sync' [16:42]
ascii_field it sure as fuck does [16:42]
ascii_field on account of not having the hours-long bastard block doldrums [16:42]
ascii_field nor is mempool churning [16:43]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0 [16:44]
assbot [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqK8Ow ) [16:44]
ascii_field https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode/blob/master/mkbootstrap.py << ick [16:45]
assbot pynode/mkbootstrap.py at master · jgarzik/pynode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqKeFX ) [16:45]
BingoBoingo Well, once I got into 2013 and months crawled into taking days per any speed up wasn't much noticable [16:45]
ascii_field i'm speaking of ~hours~ here [16:45]
BingoBoingo Ah hours out of weeks [16:47]
ascii_field mno, hours total [16:47]
ascii_field from 0 to maxheight [16:47]
BingoBoingo Apparently 'cat' is fine too https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10381/creating-my-own-bootstrap-dat [16:47]
assbot blockchain - Creating my own bootstrap.dat? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKW3m4 ) [16:47]
* BingoBoingo just be running horribru underpowered machines for this task [16:47]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: entirely not the same [16:48]
ascii_field has the 'prefix network number' bullshit [16:48]
BingoBoingo Ah [16:49]
ascii_field (and length field) [16:49]
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mircea_popescu terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbException' << teh sound of unhappy. i'll be doing shasums for the rest of the day by the looks of it. [17:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00046402 = 30.6253 BTC [+] {2} [17:02]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0041 << in classic 0.5.3. naturally i haven't the faintest clue re: yours [17:02]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKY3ur ) [17:02]
mircea_popescu it's almopst always a corrupterd db [17:02]
mircea_popescu apparently the "damaged in transit" thing happens o.O [17:03]
ascii_field at any rate, i posted checksums of what i personally got over the wire, earlier. [17:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, i've been digging into all sorts of strange re this since 3 days ago, what's a bucket more. [17:03]
mircea_popescu ah, those don't help, obv every client makes its own blockchain set [17:03]
ascii_field all 16MB of them [17:03]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: actually! [17:03]
ascii_field blocks are canonical [17:03]
ascii_field recall, we have 'dumpblock' [17:03]
ascii_field yes, it follows main chain [17:04]
BingoBoingo Just BDB not necessarily canonical unless "detatched" [17:04]
mircea_popescu i have never seen blknnnn of the same size even, forget the same contents [17:04]
ascii_field so it is conceivable that yours barfed on an orphaned (in the original sense) block [17:04]
mircea_popescu vanishingly unlikely. [17:04]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ~blocks are canonical~ [17:04]
ascii_field that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin [17:04]
mircea_popescu yes i know. talking bout my own problem here! [17:04]
ascii_field l0l [17:04]
mircea_popescu hehe [17:04]
mircea_popescu the sorry man's world is his sorrow. [17:05]
ascii_field for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4 [17:05]
mircea_popescu yeh the problem's later, 310kish [17:06]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: consider preserving the turd for dissection [17:07]
mircea_popescu im preservin'. [17:07]
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mircea_popescu how i feel, illustrated : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ygcdDW8U1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg [17:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKYZPv ) [17:10]
BingoBoingo mitzip: You do work on funtoo? [17:11]
ACTION AME ANICK AMSG ADDBUTTON ALLCHAN ALLCHANL ALLSERV AWAY [17:11]
mitzip BingoBoingo: yes, but I haven't been active lately [17:11]
BingoBoingo mitzip: Still, great project. [17:12]
mitzip BingoBoingo: thanks I feel the same way :) [17:12]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt [17:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKZARb ) [17:14]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [17:14]
ascii_field $ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_mp_strange/blk0001.dat [17:25]
ascii_field 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a [17:25]
ascii_field $ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_ok/blk0001.dat 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a [17:26]
ascii_field ^ from a node synced in february [17:26]
ascii_field 'mp_strange' is the data set discussed earlier [17:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00046668 = 9.987 BTC [+] {2} [17:27]
ascii_field either mircea_popescu, or i, or both, is suffering from 'cosmic rays' [17:27]
mircea_popescu uh. [17:28]
mircea_popescu maybe this is half-deterministic somehow ? did you make them on the same build ? [17:28]
ascii_field 0.5.3 variants [17:28]
mircea_popescu odd, they really shouldn't match [17:29]
ascii_field mp_strange was on the 'stator' build [17:29]
ascii_field why shouldn't they match ? [17:29]
mircea_popescu cuz bdb strange [17:30]
ascii_field these aren't bdb files! [17:30]
ascii_field they're blkxxxx.dat format [17:30]
ascii_field nothing to do with bdb [17:30]
ascii_field http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1527 [17:31]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYAiIi ) [17:31]
ascii_field http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0771 [17:35]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1IL2dm4 ) [17:35]
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BingoBoingo Google, not the Rebel Flag is the real racist http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/06/30/google_s_image_recognition_software_returns_some_surprisingly_racist_results.html [17:55]
assbot Google's image recognition software returns some surprisingly racist results. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYCQ9s ) [17:55]
trinque lol! [17:56]
mircea_popescu it's ok, google has letter from stalin. [17:56]
mircea_popescu stop being racist. [17:56]
trinque While Google’s efforts to solve this problem are admirable, it’s still troubling that it happened at all. As Alciné wrote on Twitter, “I understand HOW this happens; the problem is moreso on the WHY.” << oh for fuck's sake [17:58]
trinque someday soon they're going to start calling this kind of shit something as stupid as "micro-terrorism" [17:59]
* trinque tries to come up with a more fitting euphemistic propaganda term [17:59]
trinque neh I like micro-terrorism... there it stays [18:02]
trinque http://www.uwsp.edu/acadaff/NewFacultyResources/NFSRacialMicroaggressions_Table.pdf << lawl [18:03]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:28]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: if you have any other nodes of this kind, consider posting the hash [18:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17221 @ 0.00046918 = 8.0797 BTC [+] [18:29]
mircea_popescu ascii_field atm re-doing filecopying. [18:29]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181836 <<< the plastic shit is everywhere : [18:40]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 16:24:21; ben_vulpes: and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us [18:40]
cazalla and even if you don't buy it or try to limit it, well intentioned friends and family try to load you up with all manner of shit [18:44]
shinohai Possible r/bitcoiner? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/portland_man_arrested_for_viol.html#incart_most-read_ [18:45]
assbot Portland man arrested for violent tantrum after seeing Comcast worker in bedroom | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5wi8U ) [18:45]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Likely [18:46]
cazalla don't you ever touch a white man's modem [18:46]
shinohai Nah he was probably being defensive because he was afraid they would find his My Little Pony playset or something. [18:47]
cazalla he does look like an mlp fag eh [18:47]
shinohai I have only seen the Comcast guy 2 times in 5 years in this place I live. [18:48]
shinohai There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt [18:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xA3A ) [18:52]
BingoBoingo !s electrum [18:53]
assbot 189 results for 'electrum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=electrum [18:53]
trinque shinohai: I noticed that as well [18:53]
trinque "oppinion" [18:53]
shinohai ^ [18:53]
* shinohai is a spelling Nazi [18:54]
mats http://gcc.godbolt.org [18:54]
assbot Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xWay ) [18:54]
mats found it just in time for my education [18:54]
trinque ah that's cool [18:54]
trinque UI's a little dumb [18:55]
trinque I tend to call that periscope UI [18:55]
trinque where you're looking through a tiny window at some scrollable thing [18:55]
trinque needs moar pixels [18:55]
BingoBoingo Anyone try running electrum-server yet against Foundation 0.5.3.1 or later build? Once stator on craptop syncs on craptop I plan on seeing if they get along [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01227109 = 1.2271 BTC [-] {6} [18:58]
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trinque !up CheckDavid [18:59]
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CheckDavid when I want to talk here I never manage to get voice lol [18:59]
shinohai @ BingoBoingo I did but I failed :/ [18:59]
trinque CheckDavid: pm someone voiced when that happens [18:59]
shinohai Heaven't tried in a while though. I was drunk. [18:59]
trinque !gettrust CheckDavid [19:00]
assbot CheckDavid is not registered in WoT. [19:00]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Ah. If you try again let me know what they errors were like. Still prolly have a month or so before craptop finishes sync [19:00]
shinohai craptop ? [19:00]
trinque !h [19:01]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [19:01]
trinque CheckDavid: ^ [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181614 @ 0.0004773 = 86.6844 BTC [+] {4} [19:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52186 @ 0.00048707 = 25.4182 BTC [+] [19:02]
shinohai @ BingoBoingo I have been able to run it against termcoin, which I don't recommend as a real wallet. [19:03]
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BingoBoingo shinohai: Was recently gifted second laptop. Single core AMD 64bit atom-like processor. Testing stator 0.5.4 build, once sync'd will likely dick around with electrum server against a foundation build with aim of eventually setting up a dedi-box [19:03]
shinohai I have a dedi server for foundation use if we do get electrum running [19:04]
* BingoBoingo hoping I don't have to make a bunch of patches to the RPC for this to work [19:08]
shinohai The only issue I had was importing private keys, but I solved that. [19:09]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181952 <<< perhaps a rash on her pussy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLnPKUPE4yo [19:11]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?" [19:11]
assbot Larry David - Curb Your Enthusiasm "Pussy Rash" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5AyFs ) [19:11]
trinque ^gross [19:11]
* trinque commits microaggression against the differently-hygiened [19:12]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttchina [19:14]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.746045, Best ask: 262.88298, Bid-ask spread: 0.13693, Last trade: 262.775043, 24 hour volume: 31846.62470000, 24 hour low: 256.037841, 24 hour high: 268.3926, 24 hour vwap: 262.529039618 [19:14]
mats microterrorism, foo [19:24]
cazalla making up your own microaggression is nanoaggresion mats [19:26]
cazalla and anyway, people in this channel make gigaaggressions [19:27]
mats we'll leave it to twitter to decide wut is wut [19:27]
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punkman lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIxwLt_UEAAbmcL.jpg [19:29]
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shinohai I'll bet r/bitcoin had that CNN feed up praying that it triggers mass Greek adoption. [19:30]
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punkman Greece has barely even adopted credit cards [19:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45225 @ 0.00048728 = 22.0372 BTC [+] {2} [19:37]
shinohai hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede [19:44]
assbot Bitcoin Is Unsustainable | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5GPkq ) [19:44]
jurov BingoBoingo: electrum did require patches even in 0.8 [19:47]
BingoBoingo Ah [19:47]
shinohai hmm [19:48]
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BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/haY5dyt.png [19:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5IgiI ) [19:52]
BingoBoingo ^ Free to be Liberia [19:52]
cazalla that pic isn't really a fair representation of the problematic hambeasts [19:55]
cazalla needs more coloured hair, piercings, tats, triple chins and no dress sense [19:57]
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trinque "That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA" << what a crock of shit [20:22]
trinque you have to count every payment processor in the whole byzantine credit card system if you're going to play that game [20:22]
trinque ^ from BingoBoingo's motherboard article [20:23]
decimation ^ plus all the bureaucrats who work for visa/banks/usg to 'oversee' the system [20:29]
decimation and the care, feeding, coddling thereof [20:29]
shinohai That same tired argument has echoed from every supporter of PoS for as long as I can remember. [20:32]
scoopbot_revived Current Greek Capital Controls http://qntra.net/2015/06/current-greek-capital-controls/ [20:39]
trinque lol... goxxed [20:45]
BingoBoingo Goxxed indeed [20:54]
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asciilifeform so it turns out that i spoke too soon: [21:19]
asciilifeform some time near after 208000, a block is rejected! [21:19]
asciilifeform re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182007 [21:20]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 20:01:39; ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4 [21:20]
asciilifeform presently running the entire experiment again, to verify [21:20]
asciilifeform the best-case scenario is that this is a 'cosmic ray' [21:20]
asciilifeform thing was running on a portable, in a knapsack, in a car... [21:20]
mod6 will this have any impact on the hashes that are posted here? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz [21:21]
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asciilifeform will run those again also [21:21]
asciilifeform on the output of the present 'eat' [21:22]
mod6 ok cool [21:22]
asciilifeform it'll be hilarious if we're hitting the limits of non-ecc ram or the like [21:22]
asciilifeform sha256(blk0001.dat) for this run: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a [21:23]
asciilifeform (same as for all my synced 0.5.3's) [21:23]
BingoBoingo http://www.bitpixr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/image27.jpg << "Fart Rape" [21:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHN570 ) [21:24]
asciilifeform if anyone can remember what blocks fit in there, please post [21:24]
mats http://nytimes.com/2015/06/30/opinion/the-supreme-courts-lonely-hearts-club.html [21:25]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNaHN ) [21:25]
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trinque BingoBoingo: bahaha fart rape [21:26]
mats http://www.indieshuffle.com/lewis-del-mar-loud-y [21:26]
assbot [LISTEN] Lewis Del Mar - Loud(y) :: Indie Shuffle ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNiqG ) [21:26]
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mod6 i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat [21:29]
trinque BingoBoingo: I thought it was gonna be somebody being face-sat [21:29]
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asciilifeform https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545 [21:32]
asciilifeform ^ he got 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a as well [21:32]
asciilifeform claims 188529 blocks [21:32]
* asciilifeform has not verified the latter [21:32]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^^^^ [21:34]
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* asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear [21:43]
asciilifeform 'is it my instruments? lsd in the water?' [21:43]
asciilifeform ~3 hours from now, will know... [21:44]
asciilifeform and this is just about my copy, not even starting with mircea_popescu's [21:44]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear << We've outgrown everything but Z80+ECC and somehow that is too slow [21:47]
asciilifeform z80 never supported ecc [21:47]
asciilifeform (technically, one ~could~ retrofit it, with some glue logic) [21:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181921 << the experiment in question, for anyone who missed [21:50]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 19:12:49; ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works [21:50]
asciilifeform the only thing i'm pretty sure of at this point is that nothing peculiar happened - at least on this machine - through block 188529. [21:52]
asciilifeform (checksum spoken of earlier agrees with every copy of blk0001 i've been able to locate, other than the one cited by mircea_popescu) [21:52]
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phf is it possibly non-determenism from a dozen or so places where size_t is read into int? [21:55]
asciilifeform phf: it is difficult to rule anything out at this point [21:55]
asciilifeform one might naively imagine that obvious bugs cirta '12 will not turn up today [21:56]
asciilifeform but devil only knows [21:56]
asciilifeform *circa [21:56]
asciilifeform original purpose of this experiment was to gather 'pmap -XX ' stats for plotting [21:58]
asciilifeform it did not even occur to me that the 'eater' might barf [21:59]
asciilifeform i set it up earlier today and mostly forgot about it [22:00]
asciilifeform (recall, in a 'bastard-free' bitcoind - which is what i have - no block can be 'eaten' unless it squarely agrees with its immediate antecedent block) [22:00]
asciilifeform in the 'longest chain' sense [22:01]
* asciilifeform is trying and failing to think of a benign explanation for the anomaly [22:03]
phf right, eatblock/dumpblock lets you construct any arbitrary correct chain, block by block, including the known blockchain, in a fully deterministic way. seem like important building blocks of proper engineering. [22:04]
asciilifeform phf: why these were absent from the original bitcoin is still an enigma to me [22:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00046004 = 13.3642 BTC [-] [22:18]
* BingoBoingo would really like box powered by 3GHz Z80 with ecc and 64 bit address space bolted on [22:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/4681642407_3537daf466_b.jpg [22:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R35pDn ) [22:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Exactly. That is one beautiful machine fulfilling its destiny to do REAL work. Not this pansy shit 'Murican pickup trucks do. [22:28]
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decimation asciilifeform: do you have the complete blockdump file? [22:53]
asciilifeform of course [23:04]
decimation can share? [23:05]
asciilifeform will, once i find a place to drop these where i'm not paying per byte [23:05]
decimation hehe [23:05]
decimation how big is it? [23:05]
asciilifeform the dataset in question - blocks pulled from mircea_popescu's node on the night of june 28-29 - is ~5.5GB [23:06]
asciilifeform the sha512 checksums were posted earlier [23:07]
decimation pity, that's a big too large for a cutout dropbox account [23:07]
asciilifeform it should not be difficult to find out, right now, if you have the same blockchain [23:07]
decimation good point. [23:07]
asciilifeform if i replicate the anomaly, i will post the 'interesting' region [23:08]
asciilifeform thing is just about past 177000 now [23:08]
asciilifeform but the blocks are starting to get fatter there [23:09]
asciilifeform the 'magic moment,' whatever its nature, happened well into blk0002 [23:09]
decimation ?? block 2 is bad? [23:12]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182166 [23:12]
assbot Logged on 01-07-2015 00:28:50; asciilifeform: claims 188529 blocks [23:12]
asciilifeform ^ in blk0001 [23:12]
asciilifeform blk0002 - a certain number, certainly smaller, after that [23:13]
decimation oh you mean the bdb files? [23:13]
asciilifeform aha [23:13]
decimation interesting. [23:13]
asciilifeform these aren't bdb though! [23:13]
asciilifeform they're raw blocks [23:13]
asciilifeform bdb only stores indices [23:13]
asciilifeform which are derived from blocks [23:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu made same mistake earlier [23:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182036 << see thread [23:14]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 20:26:24; ascii_field: these aren't bdb files! [23:14]
asciilifeform this is an important point [23:14]
asciilifeform they have nothing to do with bdb and should not vary at all (once they reach full size, ~2GB) between nodes [23:14]
asciilifeform (well, certainly not after longest-chain is established) [23:15]
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decimation lol he dumps to disk directly [23:18]
asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0932 << required reading [23:18]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrxIEC ) [23:18]
decimation yeah I was looking at that [23:19]
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asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0643 << and. [23:19]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jry6TC ) [23:20]
decimation what does he use the database for then? faster lookup? [23:22]
asciilifeform aha [23:22]
asciilifeform otherwise you'd have O(N) [23:22]
asciilifeform same reason anybody uses a db for anything.. [23:23]
decimation yeah, but why also save flat file [23:23]
asciilifeform because ultimately it is the canonical blockchain. [23:24]
decimation 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat [23:24]
decimation same as yours [23:24]
asciilifeform well, anomaly didn't happen in that one [23:25]
asciilifeform (except possibly on mircea_popescu's box...) [23:25]
decimation 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat [23:25]
decimation these were made with your thermonuke patch [23:26]
asciilifeform ^ is the same on the ~original~ (that is, received on that night from mircea_popescu) copy [23:27]
decimation okay, that's good I guess [23:27]
decimation what happens at block 188529 [23:28]
mod6 all three of my chains from Jan-Mar 2015 have: 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat [23:29]
decimation blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat have the same size as this thread (at the bottom) https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545/ [23:32]
lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=5 (ptpt52; Chen Minqiang's Personal Signing Key; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; ) [23:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS ) [23:32]
decimation 2097361271 blk0001.dat 2097295438 blk0002.dat [23:33]
decimation heh [23:33]
mod6 104fca0e11fa866172414852b6e6ead095926eb7a283dc3169420a17e6b87cfb blk0003.dat [23:34]
decimation my blk3 differs [23:35]
decimation from that thread I mean [23:35]
decimation ^my blk3 matches mod6's [23:35]
BingoBoingo lobbes: I'm liking you bot [23:37]
mod6 0856eedd40c7f5a1d78aec7480dc9861c2e0354aae75b72613aaffcf606a99ef blk0004.dat [23:41]
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mod6 lol, im now doing 5-16 on all three chains at the same time: 02:42:27 up 2 days, 3:32, 5 users, load average: 2.88, 1.48, 0.71 [23:47]
mod6 93e2d9ee02bf3fdd68d7809e353cec3bca93e54d3c382a286093ac6666c21ce3 blk0005.dat [23:48]
mod6 853a817eb6b644d3a75d0954c723f23e0d23fa6ec143e3cdc23a774c59c710ad blk0006.dat [23:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182019 << uhoh [23:52]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt [23:52]
mod6 e287f88803660c5f9fd99e9cdfcc5d7e4c38da953652efbbd2382f64441dba7c blk0007.dat [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00045477 = 16.781 BTC [-] {2} [23:53]
asciilifeform ^ not a single one of these lines up with mircea_popescu's [23:54]
mod6 yeah, i don't have any of those. [23:54]
decimation ^ mine match them all [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00045013 = 3.2409 BTC [-] [23:54]
mod6 mine were sync'd with some pre-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE [ v0.5.3 + some patches ], sync'd the old way from irc. [23:54]
mod6 *seeded via irc [23:55]
decimation I'm afraid it's gonna take going over with a fine-tooth comb [23:55]
asciilifeform now my current understanding is that mircea_popescu has an excuse: [23:55]
mod6 decimation: yours match mine, or mp's lis? [23:55]
mod6 *list [23:55]
decimation matches yours [23:55]
asciilifeform if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks [23:55]
decimation yeah that's true [23:56]
asciilifeform but any subsequent sync against his node is expected to match the canonicals. [23:56]
decimation gonna have to 'reingest' them to sort them out [23:56]
asciilifeform notice that there is no mechanism in bitcoind for ~erasing~ anything from the raw block files. [23:57]
mod6 huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat [23:58]
decimation no, but you could antimate a node, peer with it, force it to shit out [23:58]
asciilifeform mod6: differs ~while being complete~ ? [23:59]
mod6 and all 3 of my blk0009.dat's do not match [23:59]
asciilifeform that is, the differing files are followed by another ? [23:59]
asciilifeform (because if sync is not complete, then naturally last blk**** will differ) [23:59]
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