Forum logs for 28 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00046648 = 21.598 BTC [+]	[00:24]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: you should sign and encrypt the db with the exchange key. that way, should it become necessary for the public to decrypt it, you wouldn't need to release your personal key	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	i'm not releasing my key either way, why'd i release it ?	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	i'll just decrypt the db	[01:15]
smickles	idunno, i have some half-baked reason forming which invoves some situation where you are abducted or something	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	you misconstrue the point here.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	suppose for a moment there's an uberconspiracy of like, the reptillians	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	who covertly follow all my communications, know of all my back-ups and one day suddenly strike!	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	and destroy ALL servers.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	what nao ?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	the advantage of this scheme is that backups can now be obtained from both known and unknown sources	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	making the entire thing much more resilient to attacks.	[01:18]
kakobrekla	go suck it reptillians!	[01:18]
smickles	Oh, i feel like i completly understand the backup aspect of it	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol kakobrekla	[01:19]
smickles	i was trying to think of a situation where you are inaccessable some how, and you have the exchange key released to the public so that people can get at the data	[01:19]
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mircea_popescu	in any event the exchange key can never be released	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	think about it, the exchange key is released to decrypt db	[01:19]
smickles	prolly for the best	[01:19]
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mircea_popescu	a week later there's fifty billion fake stats floating around	[01:20]
smickles	what would the use of a stat be if the exchange were down tho?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	how do i know ?	[01:20]
smickles	hey, i said the idea was half-baked :P	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	:p	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the system is pretty well designed for expansion. in the future i might generate a special key just for db signing, and put it somewhere safe	[01:22]
BTC-Mining	well... public key... private key... how about other backup keys where the private key is never disclosed and the public key to decrypt the database is only disclosed in case you disappear?	[01:29]
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BTC-Mining	And sign the public key for the database with the exchange's key. That way people know if they decrypt it with that public database key, it was a statement encrypted with the official backup private key.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	public key is needed to decrypt	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	i mean. private key is needed to decrypt	[01:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00046648 = 1.1196 BTC [-]	[01:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00046621 = 3.2737 BTC [-]	[01:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2078 @ 0.00046583 = 0.968 BTC [-]	[01:31]
BTC-Mining	hmm... why?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	...	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	who encrypts with private key ?!	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	wasn't there an xkcd about this ?	[01:32]
BTC-Mining	Maybe	[01:32]
BTC-Mining	What would the issue with that be?	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	lemme find it	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/responsible_behavior.png lol	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	that's not it tho	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	idea was guy encrypts a "would you marry me" with his public key	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	gives to girl	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	she keeps trying ot hack it	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	he figures by the time she breaks it he'll know for sure.	[01:36]
BTC-Mining	But what's the issue with encrypting with your private key with a public key for decrypting the data?	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	kinda backwards.	[01:38]
BTC-Mining	But the idea is to be able to release confidential data. And only if you disappear, an automated process triggers because a time limit is not reset and it releases the public key for decrypting the database.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	yea, but ideally this would not be public knowledge.	[01:40]
BTC-Mining	yeah, I mean, just for covering the case of all people with access to MPEx suddenly being incapacitated to keep-through with the business, data could still be released.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	still, you know, a raw db dump isn't the right way to do this.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	it'd have to be released as a per-issuer section, encrypted with the issuer's public key.	[01:43]
smickles	did i kick a hornet's nest or somehting?	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[01:43]
smickles	ok :)	[01:43]
BTC-Mining	Well what's the problem with that?	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	just, the natural inclination of people is to think in terms of, this db dump is for if i die. not what it is for. it's for if govt confiscates interwebs.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining nothing's the problem wit hthat, but it's not part of the db dump line :)	[01:44]
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BTC-Mining	A special database, with it's own key pair. You make it available for download, encrypted with the database private key. The public key for it is released after 6 months without resetting the counter on it. Signed with the exchange's key so we know any data decryptable with that public key is from the official source.	[01:46]
smickles	it's not about you being dead, it's about you being abducted by the reptillians	[01:46]
BTC-Mining	The decrypted data containing a per issuer data with further encryption with their public key.	[01:47]
smickles	http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3698/375957-reptar003_large.gif	[01:47]
BTC-Mining	So only issuer has access to data for each holder.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	so you're stuck waiting for six months	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	and you depend on the entire system surviving by itself for six months	[01:48]
BTC-Mining	Basically	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i think if nefario came out right now and said he's releasing issuer data in april	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	and actually DOES release it in april	[01:48]
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mircea_popescu	it'd be about as useful as a bunion.	[01:49]
BTC-Mining	Well for many, it would actually still be useful...	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	i'm not saying there's no way to do this	[01:50]
BTC-Mining	As long as issuers keep the accounting and putting the BTC aside for when that data is released.	[01:50]
BTC-Mining	Honestly, I don't expect anything that extreme, mircea.	[01:50]
BTC-Mining	Just stating it would be possible to make a database public and official without the need to release a private key to forge different sets of data.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	but in the extreme case the db needs to be distributed what i envisage is a text flatfile containing each issuer's holders encrypted with his public key, the whole thing signed and dumped on like, piratebay	[01:51]
BTC-Mining	Would probably be simplier and better.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	alongside a final dump of everyone's stats, encrupted with their public key	[01:52]
BTC-Mining	But that flatfile needs to be encrypted with the exchange's key first of course.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	actually this is delineated in the faq since the days when people were asking mpex (but not glbse) what is the plan for the case which befel glbse but not mpex.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	not really, no.	[01:53]
BTC-Mining	hmm... how do we know the flatfile is official then?	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing signed	[01:54]
BTC-Mining	ah well sorry, that's what I meant.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	ya	[01:54]
BTC-Mining	Either way the source can be verified.	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	i'ma go watch porn with the girls. ttyall laters.	[01:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31166 @ 0.00046249 = 14.414 BTC [-]	[01:57]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[08:13]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex \|\| https://coinbr.com \|\| https://cryptostocks.com \|\| https://icbit.se \|\| https://therocktrading.com \|\| https://assets-otc.com \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades \|\| Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi \|\| a biased message: http://smpake.com \|\| http://bit4x.com	[08:13]
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smickles	lol, i am imortalized http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/that-sticky-issue-of-enforcing-contracts/	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	hehe yeah	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	what the hell is with people painting their walls orange ?	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	and i do not mean some pale yellow or w/e, i mean orange, like the fruit.	[08:16]
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smickles	well, it seems one reason may be to annoy you	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:19]
smickles	is it a darker sort of orange, or bright glowing orange?	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135140516264.jpg punishment ensues	[08:20]
smickles	like 70s era or gay pride parade?	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	it's a bright glowing orange that makes food look unhealthy and women's complexion totally alien	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[08:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 10.40000, Best ask: 10.44857, Bid-ask spread: 0.04857, Last trade: 10.40000, 24 hour volume: 43262.33694086, 24 hour low: 10.12999, 24 hour high: 10.83883, 24 hour vwap: 10.45494	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	lol so for 3 months now we've been giggling between 10 and 14	[08:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41623 @ 0.00046298 = 19.2706 BTC [+]	[08:40]
smickles	;;calc .2876 - .235	[08:42]
gribble	0.0526	[08:42]
smickles	;;calc [bc,24hprc] - 10	[08:42]
gribble	0.44	[08:42]
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smickles	;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .2867	[08:48]
gribble	-0.1533	[08:48]
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smickles	;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .1367	[08:48]
gribble	-0.3033	[08:49]
rg	o deer	[08:49]
smickles	;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .4367	[08:49]
gribble	-0.0033	[08:50]
smickles	;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 -.235	[08:50]
gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.	[08:50]
smickles	;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 - .235	[08:50]
gribble	-0.675	[08:50]
smickles	;;calc [bc,24hprc] - 10 - .2876	[08:51]
gribble	0.1524	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	lol what sorcery is this	[08:53]
smickles	i'm trying to work out that arb b/t mpex and icbit	[08:55]
smickles	you know anything about call put parity?	[08:55]
smickles	the futures on icbit deliver at 10 at the end of december, so at some point in time, there should be an arb op	[08:56]
smickles	oh, well, middle of december, but still	[08:56]
smickles	;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876	[08:57]
gribble	0.06426	[08:57]
smickles	oh, i know what i'm fucking up	[08:59]
smickles	;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 / [ticker --bid] - .2876	[08:59]
gribble	9.09825002691	[08:59]
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smickles	;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]	[09:00]
gribble	-2.625334936	[09:00]
smickles	;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid]	[09:00]
gribble	-0.253609973087	[09:00]
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smickles	;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid] * -1	[09:00]
gribble	0.253609973087	[09:00]
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smickles	:o	[09:01]
smickles	;;calc .2536 * .98	[09:03]
gribble	0.248528	[09:03]
smickles	;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid] * -1	[09:04]
gribble	-0.188890026913	[09:04]
smickles	;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid]	[09:04]
gribble	0.188890026913	[09:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23268 @ 0.00046139 = 10.7356 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00046047 = 0.1381 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1869 @ 0.00046008 = 0.8599 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00045993 = 5.0882 BTC [-]	[09:05]
smickles	mircea_popescu: come play monopoly with me and bitfoo for btc	[09:05]
smickles	;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid])	[09:06]
gribble	1.955363114	[09:06]
bitfoo	that's a lot of calculations :o	[09:06]
smickles	i should stop spamming, i gueess	[09:07]
bitfoo	nah, it's cool	[09:07]
bitfoo	work it out and then we can all arb ;)	[09:07]
smickles	that last one proves that it's there, if you know what you're looking at	[09:07]
bitfoo	it's too late in the day for me to even try and figure that out	[09:08]
smickles	;;calc .2762 * [ticker --bid] - .2417 * [ticker --bid]	[09:09]
gribble	0.35724681	[09:09]
smickles	short stradle at 100N, buy icbit futures up to 10.35	[09:10]
smickles	;;calc 200 / [ticker --bid]	[09:11]
gribble	19.3143782026	[09:11]
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smickles	crap, what quantities??!!	[09:12]
bitfoo	icbit depth looks pretty thin	[09:14]
smickles	oh lol my ass off,	[09:15]
smickles	i've done it already on accident	[09:15]
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smickles	bitfoo: part of that is the fact that only the nearest 5 orders are shown (either side of center)	[09:18]
bitfoo	yeah, I was trying to figure out how to see more than that	[09:19]
bitfoo	not possible I assume?	[09:19]
smickles	"comming soon"	[09:19]
bitfoo	heh	[09:19]
smickles	™	[09:19]
smickles	i should find confidence in my math, then i would arb that op so hard	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	what about call/put parity smickles ?	[09:30]
smickles	mircea_popescu: i identified the arb op	[09:30]
smickles	currently	[09:30]
smickles	short stradle at 100N, and buy the futures up to 10.35ish	[09:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13537 @ 0.00045993 = 6.2261 BTC [-]	[09:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00045989 = 3.4952 BTC [-]	[09:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13005 @ 0.00045918 = 5.9716 BTC [-]	[09:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11033 @ 0.00045901 = 5.0643 BTC [-]	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	aite	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	part of that is the fact that only the nearest 5 orders are shown << who comes up wit this sort of shit ?	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	i mean, why 5 ? why not 9 ? why not 3.14 ?	[09:32]
Chaaang-Noi	well im sure you know why 3.14 was not sued	[09:34]
Chaaang-Noi	used	[09:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 9 @ 0.24169245 = 2.1752 BTC [-]	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	see, that's faulty. "we should do X, but we can't practically do X so we are doing Y instead"	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	no. fuck you. do X.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	if it should be 3.14 then they either do 3.14 or not do it at all.	[09:35]
smickles	scrollbars are tough	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway this is all academic, iirc there wasn't much volume anyway, like 1-2 btc a week or something	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	or not wait, i think i was looking at some gold and oil futures	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	this is btc ?	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	meh gotta log in to see mkt what bs.	[09:38]
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mircea_popescu	Να γίνεστε δική σας τράπεζα	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	anyone recognise anything in there ?	[09:40]
smickles	recognise what where?	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	words in the sentence	[09:41]
smickles	it's all ?? on my terminal	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	aww. it's greek	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	and it ends in trapeza, which in greek means bank	[09:42]
smickles	it's a trap?	[09:42]
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mircea_popescu	nana nah, a trapeze	[09:43]
smickles	hmm, high wire act, vs starwars reference	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	:D	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	greek is a very humorous language.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	"main page" is something like kuria teliga	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	kuria you might have heard of	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	as in, the roman curia	[09:46]
smickles	Κύρια πύλη	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	yielded court in english	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	"For the last time, geeks should not open financial service businesses just because they can make the website and fire up some hardware"	[09:48]
smickles	so it's like tele-court, main page == judge judy?	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	guruvan totally has it.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	pule is more like gate than page.	[09:49]
smickles	i should've continued learning greek	[09:50]
smickles	i took 2 or three classes then stopped because it was a 7am class, and I had an hour bikeride to make it	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	i never took any classes	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	find a greek girl, date her.	[09:51]
smickles	that should work well for me	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	go home tonight and say "honey, today we talk about χαρέμι"	[09:54]
smickles	"Prospero, the only British satellite to date launched on a British rocket, lifted off from Launch Area 5B..." <	[09:55]
smickles	area 5b sounds like a shitty appartment with only one room	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:56]
smickles	prospero is that fake enthusiam you get from an pessimeist	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	satellite sitcom	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	nothing could be lamer than romania's first and only satellite to date tho	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	in the shape of a 10cm cube	[09:57]
smickles	and they've only done it once since 1971	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ziuaveche.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Goliat-2.jpg	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	thing is called goliat ffs.	[09:57]
smickles	lol, did they throw it by and and lose track of it (now thinking it was a successful mission)?	[09:58]
smickles	*by hand	[09:58]
smickles	what is that supposed to do?	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	takes pictures, reports back at 114kbps	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	http://st.interakt.md/content/news/big/goliat---primul-satelit-romanesc-in-spatiu.jpg	[09:59]
smickles	When the project began, the developers of this satellite were still in college.""	[09:59]
smickles	it's a school project!	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	:D	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	you see this is what a laissez faire state is	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	it's only fucken satellite is launched by students	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	ON THEIR OWN DIME	[10:00]
smickles	"As of 26 February 2012, it appears that the satellite has not settled into the orbit properly. Due to a malfunction to its stabilizing system, it is expected that the satellite will spin uncontrollably and eventually get lost in space. However, the coordinator of the project, Mugurel Bălan has stated that the situation is under control."	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	>D	[10:02]
smickles	statement was made 13 days after launch	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	well i blame the french	[10:02]
smickles	makes sense, they launched it, right?	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	ya	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	shoulda hired the brits instead, 5b sounds more hygienic than guyana	[10:04]
smickles	lol, so in the same timeframe it took to develop this (and the rocket that sent it up), elon musk docked a ship with the ISS	[10:04]
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mircea_popescu	well elon was not in college atthe time	[10:05]
smickles	good point	[10:05]
smickles	but neither were the people wo developed the vega rocket	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	that's old iirc	[10:05]
smickles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_(rocket)	[10:06]
smickles	not the one i'm talking about	[10:06]
smickles	it's first launch sent up your satilite	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	o wow	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	"statists gonna state."	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[10:07]
smickles	oh wow, i'm going to make a solid rocket booster out of sucrose	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	ummm	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	does the community know roger ver is an ex-con ?!	[10:11]
smickles	what'd he get that status for?	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	girl dug up a conviction. there will be a post in a few.	[10:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/27/worker-at-northwest-indiana-library-discovers-black-powder-gun-hidden-inside/ this is pretty cool	[11:02]
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mircea_popescu	this shit's too funny :	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	The woman named “Democrat of The Year” this year by the Jefferson County Democratic Party has been convicted of felony theft by a Jefferson County jury for stealing from a developmentally disabled 71-year-old woman.	[11:20]
rg	LOL	[11:20]
rg	the fact that its from a retard makes it SO much worse	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	innit	[11:20]
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mircea_popescu	smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120969.0	[11:37]
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Chaaang-Noi	wow freenode is having issues?	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	apparently	[11:40]
Chaaang-Noi	wow on Ver if true	[11:41]
Chaaang-Noi	and lucky he did it before sept 11th	[11:41]
Chaaang-Noi	pest control report?	[11:42]
Chaaang-Noi	that does not sound like a bomb...	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	it seems they're some sort of firecracker	[11:43]
Chaaang-Noi	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv3Wvxi6pgU	[11:43]
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Chaaang-Noi	yeah he should not ahve mailed them or sold them on ebay	[11:44]
Chaaang-Noi	but 10 months in jail for that is harsh	[11:45]
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Chaaang-Noi	realted http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03072.html	[11:45]
Chaaang-Noi	that warning should have made him know better	[11:46]
Chaaang-Noi	http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm	[11:46]
Chaaang-Noi	i thought that guy was really rich	[11:47]
Chaaang-Noi	why would he be selling that stuff on ebay	[11:47]
Chaaang-Noi	also sure its the same guy?	[11:47]
Chaaang-Noi	roger is not really a unique name	[11:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30665 @ 0.00045934 = 14.0857 BTC [+]	[11:48]
Chaaang-Noi	ver is kinda rare however	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	well i dunno, obviously.	[11:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30073 @ 0.00046327 = 13.9319 BTC [+]	[12:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004624 = 7.3059 BTC [-]	[12:13]
Anduck	Diablo-D3	[12:13]
Anduck	wat happened to BFL.FAIL and BFL.SUCC and DMC?	[12:14]
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Chaaang-Noi	it was nefarioed	[12:15]
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Diablo-D3	Anduck: hello?	[12:16]
Diablo-D3	what happened to ALL THE FUCKING ASSETS ON GLBSE	[12:16]
Anduck	i mean	[12:17]
Anduck	..	[12:17]
Anduck	what are you going to do about it?	[12:17]
Anduck	will you just clap ur hands and say hah ahh hahah free mony no need pay cuz nefario'ddd	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	its not the asset issuers responcability to deal with the broker, its the people who used the brokers servces to deal with it	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	go talk to a lawyer about it	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	diablo does not have an good options	[12:18]
Anduck	i had like 1 btc in there...	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	any*	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	well	[12:18]
Anduck	just curious	[12:18]
Anduck	that wtf will happen	[12:18]
Chaaang-Noi	well i dont know what everyone will do, but asset issuers dont ahve an good options	[12:19]
Anduck	yup	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	Anduck what'd you expect he does ?	[12:19]
Anduck	if he knows who had what asset and how much	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	how does he know this ?	[12:19]
Anduck	nefario?	[12:20]
Chaaang-Noi	he cant ever "know" he can only trust nefario	[12:20]
Anduck	yes...	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	well nefario never released the data afaik	[12:20]
Anduck	that's same even if GLBSE was up	[12:20]
Chaaang-Noi	if he trust nefario it opens himself up to others claiming they had it	[12:20]
Chaaang-Noi	thats why glbse was acting as the broker	[12:20]
Chaaang-Noi	diable only needs to pay glbse.. glbse then needs to pay out the money	[12:21]
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Chaaang-Noi	dibalo*	[12:21]
Anduck	well yeah	[12:21]
Anduck	but uhh	[12:21]
Anduck	nvm ;_;	[12:22]
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Chaaang-Noi	yeah nefario fucked it all up	[12:22]
Chaaang-Noi	and now he and all the other glbsers can get their asses sued	[12:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22798 @ 0.00045934 = 10.472 BTC [-]	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	so what's the word, any asics delivered last week ? what was the hash jump we saw ?	[12:49]
EskimoBob	Chaaang-Noi: I was reading that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120759.20	[12:51]
EskimoBob	if I understand it correctly, PPT operators can actually get off that boat by paying the investors back the coin	[12:53]
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mircea_popescu	EskimoBob in most cases having repaid everyone with a claim shields you from responsibility	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	in all cases it cuts the eventual punishment significantly.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	so... that's banal.	[12:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00045901 = 2.8918 BTC [-]	[13:05]
EskimoBob	what so banal about that?	[13:09]
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EskimoBob	was bitcoinmax.com guy ever doxed?	[13:17]
Diablo-D3	back	[13:18]
Diablo-D3	Anduck: what Chaaang-Noi said, basically	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	who, zuxxor ?	[13:18]
Diablo-D3	until nefario releases the data, I cant do shit	[13:18]
EskimoBob	he name is pay.btc	[13:19]
Diablo-D3	Anduck: plus, I bought back half the DMC shares before GLBSE collapsed, and the DI.BFLSC stuff isnt due until after the 31st	[13:19]
Anduck	oki	[13:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11659 @ 0.0004583 = 5.3433 BTC [-]	[13:30]
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OneMiner	Who's Mr. Ver? 10 months in prison sounds about right to me. One of the links talks about him storing the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailing them via US mail. Assuming the products were going all over the country they could have ended up on a plane. At the very minimum he put hundreds of people in mortal or near mortal danger.	[13:53]
OneMiner	You can only imagine how many were in his apartment. If there was a fire he'd be lucky to not end up with manslaughter charges at the least.	[13:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2141 @ 0.0004583 = 0.9812 BTC [-]	[13:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00045721 = 2.3318 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18662 @ 0.00045661 = 8.5213 BTC [-]	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	OneMiner he's a bitcoin enthusiast, been doing things like taking outdoor panels to advertise his acceptance of bitcoin	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	runs a computer parts shop in california, financed bitpay to some degree, lost a lot of money in bitcoinica etc	[14:23]
OneMiner	Ahh right on. Thanks.	[14:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19462 @ 0.00045634 = 8.8813 BTC [-]	[14:47]
Chaaang-Noi	EskimoBob i dont know who the investors are.. the only one i deal with is nefaro/glbse	[15:02]
Chaaang-Noi	no one has a claim vs me... they have claim vs glbse	[15:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00045634 = 2.8749 BTC [-]	[15:12]
Chaaang-Noi	i never collected money	[15:19]
Chaaang-Noi	this is why nefario had to shut down glbse	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	sgornick : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/options-consumption-graphs/ graph porn	[15:28]
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knotwork	Oh gosh I'm shocked, anarchists don't just read the anarchists cookbook some of them actually cook?!??! But to then capitalistically sell their cooking gasp that is too much!	[16:04]
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knotwork	I suppose now when all the [...fellows..] hear that I did time for growing and selling plants they'lll all move over on the bench to distance themselves from me...	[16:06]
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Chaaang-Noi	?	[16:06]
knotwork	Chap did time! Selling fireworks by mail. Me all I did was grow plants	[16:06]
knotwork	oh and sell them. growing is only up to 7 years, selling is up to life	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	um	[16:07]
knotwork	(Bench part is an Alicie's Restaurant reference)	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	were you in prison is the idea ?	[16:08]
knotwork	yeah 30 days served on weekends in the trailer outside the actua prison, with time off for good behavior.	[16:08]
knotwork	come in fiday night leave monday morning counts as four days	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	0.0	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	wtf they do this ?	[16:09]
knotwork	smells nicer than the state's evil weed and causes less cancer, plus might not pay tax! Eeeeeevil!	[16:09]
knotwork	not an approved means of weaning oneself off their evil weed :)	[16:09]
knotwork	hmm maybe weekend countes as 3 days. it counted for more than it really was for sure	[16:11]
knotwork	spent the last weekend at home in house arrest, their was too much weed in the prison so they let folk go home	[16:11]
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knotwork	I wasn't even actually proven to sell them, its assumed anyone with two cartons of smokes must be a dealer, no proof needed	[16:14]
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OneMiner	The one law has nothing to do with the other. Fireworks are explosives and can set fires easily. Guy got 10 months for it. Sounds kosher to me.	[16:16]
knotwork	I was willing to go to supreme court on that as assuming guilt so the dropped the selling charges and gave me 30 days weekends for the cultivation	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	knotwork wait a second. are you talking tobacco or pot ?	[16:17]
knotwork	actually it wasnt even selling charge its worded as possession with intent to sell so is not only assuming guilt its assuming intent	[16:17]
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knotwork	OneMiner haha for a moment I thought you mean Guy Ffawkes got ten months for it :)	[16:22]
OneMiner	Nope Mr. Ver. Who's this Guy?	[16:23]
knotwork	Remember Remember the Fifth of November? Does that rhyme now only refer to some 21st century movie?!?!?!	[16:23]
knotwork	Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot!??!	[16:24]
knotwork	He put fireworks under the Central Bank! (no, wait, just the houses of parliament, maybe not so bad?)	[16:25]
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Chaaang-Noi	they killed that guy...	[16:26]
Chaaang-Noi	drawn and quartered i think	[16:26]
knotwork	yeah I was prety sure he didn't just get 10 months :)	[16:28]
OneMiner	Ummm..... Don't know 'bout the 5th of Nov. Probably heard of it once.....	[16:28]
OneMiner	Rings a bell.	[16:28]
knotwork	some big nob was in the houses at the time else maybe it'd've been a misdeameanor or a service to the crown	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00045612 = 12.8626 BTC [+]	[16:29]
knotwork	Oneminer LMGTFY "Gunpowder plot"	[16:29]
knotwork	5th november is almost a national holiday so as never to forget	[16:30]
OneMiner	People who choose to solve their problems with explosives are not welcome near me, but I'll take a look at that anyways. ;)	[16:30]
knotwork	maybe actually a national holiday. not sure. maybe just a folk holiday	[16:30]
knotwork	like 4th july	[16:30]
knotwork	yay we nearly got free of crown and parliament!	[16:31]
knotwork	4th july is the more modern one, yay we DID get free of crown and parliament. braggarts. :)	[16:32]
OneMiner	The fact that there's still a royal family offends me too.	[16:33]
knotwork	oh gosh I was joking! We burn Guy in effigy on Nov 5th! Sheesh!	[16:34]
OneMiner	Sill offended.	[16:34]
OneMiner	still	[16:34]
knotwork	Suppose the Queen Mum had been in there!?!?! :)	[16:34]
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OneMiner	They should do the right thing and become citizens like everybody else instead of what I like to call "super citizens" most equal of the equals, you dig?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	actually i'm the exact opposite persuasion	[16:35]
OneMiner	If you have someone above then it's possible to have others below. It's an argument for slavery in reverse.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	the pretense that all "are equal" offends me.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	there should be more priviledged.	[16:35]
OneMiner	^^ read above.	[16:36]
knotwork	Not so sure. Consider voters, bread, and circusses. Having someone trained to the task who can call for a vote of n o confidence seems it could have redeeming virtue	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	OneMiner obviously there should be some below.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	entire fucking point of life, society and inextricable part of human hapiness : soe being below.	[16:36]
OneMiner	So, slavery. It's the natural conclusion, don't you think?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[16:36]
*	OneMiner gets the pitchforks and lights the torches.	[16:36]
*	mircea_popescu polishes the winchester.	[16:37]
knotwork	Bunch of Americans immigrates and votes in bunch of weirdo gunslinging bible belters I'll be praying yes please King William, call for a frakkin vote of no confidence pronto please its un-British!!!	[16:37]
OneMiner	Ha! wouldn't go well for you. You'd be defending and I'm a good shot. :P	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed you're a good shot with torches ?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	plebs don't get expensive smithwork.	[16:37]
OneMiner	Ether one, I could use a .22 and get it done as well.	[16:38]
knotwork	Burn OneMiner in effigy! Blow him up with good old Black Powder!	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	a .22 torch ?	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	or a .22 pitchfork	[16:38]
OneMiner	Well, I can tell you that if a person tries to put me in a class under them.... their time is limited at that point.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	no one person tries to put you lol.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	you either belong there or don't.	[16:39]
knotwork	Also aren't American Presidents more king in practice than, well, the Queen for example?	[16:39]
OneMiner	There's already a legal precident for that where I'm from.	[16:39]
OneMiner	knotwork no.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed do you have a dayjob ?	[16:40]
OneMiner	Checks and balances.	[16:40]
OneMiner	Nope.	[16:40]
OneMiner	Got some work needs doing?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	haha no, but it's a simple test for class. there's three classes practically, the homeless, the employed, the idle.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	in that order.	[16:41]
knotwork	OneMiner you'd insult the fans by refusing a knighthood if you were Mick Jagger or Captain Picard?!?!	[16:41]
OneMiner	Though I'd love the idea of being a knight..... I may have to refuse.	[16:42]
OneMiner	mircea_popescu is the order right? Homeless on top?	[16:42]
knotwork	Hey wait, Captain Kirk didn't get one? Hmm? Wasnt he too a Shakespearan real stage actor once?	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	homeless on the left :)	[16:43]
OneMiner	He was. Talks about how serious he took his roles.	[16:43]
knotwork	And he's not a Knight (yet) ?	[16:43]
OneMiner	Also what does being a knight have to do with fans? And why is pop culture grounds for kinghthood?	[16:44]
knotwork	Maybe his galactic skirt-chasing was unknighlt behavior	[16:44]
OneMiner	knighthood.	[16:44]
knotwork	Because its British! It doesn't have to make sense it just has to have a stiff upper lip! Sheesh!	[16:44]
OneMiner	mircea_popescu then the idle are on top? You've confused me with your list.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	OneMiner my plan. it works.	[16:45]
OneMiner	hahaha	[16:45]
OneMiner	Anyways. If the queen is only good for ceremony and drawing in tourists... then let her do that. They can be as royal as they want, just don't use any public monies or lands. Let them follow the same rules as everybody else if these rules are so good. Full disclosure: I'm not a UK citizen.	[16:47]
knotwork	OneMiner re fans, maybe the economy is so bad that selling a few platinum albums or popular movies is all that holds up the entire exchequer	[16:48]
OneMiner	Jesus, I hope not...	[16:48]
OneMiner	Anyways, it isn't.	[16:48]
knotwork	or, comparing Kirk to Picard for example, its about proper British behavior. (Oops lets forget Sir Mick a moment there)	[16:49]
knotwork	abe its about mollifying the masses by pretending to respect some of their idols	[16:50]
knotwork	s/abe/maybe/	[16:50]
knotwork	or hey, maybe actually respecting them even	[16:50]
knotwork	Disclaimer: I am a Brit, albeit permanant resident of Halifax NS Canada	[16:51]
knotwork	Maybe part of it is simply that it is personal. They have personal individual person to person responsibility to people	[16:53]
knotwork	it'd be an insult to ask a Brit to swear allegiance to the Queen, hance my not even considering becoming a Canadian citizen	[16:53]
knotwork	I'd have to swear allegiance to the Queen of Canada, which would be an insult to me as a subject of the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland	[16:54]
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knotwork	by birth	[16:54]
knotwork	it's be like implying I am not her loyal subject already!!! :)	[16:55]
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thestrin1puller	i summon thee sir mircea_popescu	[17:10]
thestrin1puller	lol	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	lolwut	[17:10]
thestrin1puller	LOL i didn't expect it to work	[17:11]
thestrin1puller	I thought you'd be out getting laid by models	[17:11]
thestrin1puller	since you're more pivelaged than us working class folk	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	im a guy, i only get laid ocasionally.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	only girls can do it continously.	[17:11]
thestrin1puller	i have a hacker friend like you	[17:13]
thestrin1puller	retired nvidia employee	[17:13]
thestrin1puller	new girl every night	[17:13]
thestrin1puller	lol	[17:13]
thestrin1puller	but in all srsness i think i may fork over money for an mpex account	[17:17]
knotwork	Wow ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119745.msg1303342#msg1303342 ... I wonder if working one's way up from terminal operator in Imperial Bank of Commerce datacentre not allowed to punch cards but allowed to tell keypunch operators what to punch and trusted with the vault keys would be an at all useful start for such a career?	[17:18]
knotwork	valut combination I mean oops	[17:18]
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thestrin1puller	http://bitcoinfriday.com/ lol	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	that's one heck of a post right there knotwork	[17:24]
knotwork	yeah I almost did my shameless self-promoting blurb there but figured here would be more apropos	[17:25]
knotwork	(See what I did there!!?! Its implied its me that worked in CIBC datacentre! <<<<======== !!!!	[17:26]
knotwork	====>>> Back when we punched cards!!!! <<<======	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	so are you starting a bitcoinica clone ?	[17:29]
knotwork	Did I mention the time I called my friends from number ten downing street's own switchboard and plugged them into what's on in London in six diffrent languages and the speaking clock?	[17:29]
knotwork	No I am taking over the world (as a loyal subject of King Linus, of course)	[17:30]
knotwork	I am running so far two Open Transactions servers, the only public OT servers so far set up	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	man... how often are you intoxicated while on irc ? honest %	[17:31]
knotwork	actually its been months since I so much as had a beer	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	o ? what sort of disloyal subject are you!	[17:33]
knotwork	Starving datacentre-operator :)	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	haha	[17:34]
knotwork	brewing attracted too many fruitflies landlord made me stop	[17:34]
thestrin1puller	smoke weed instead	[17:35]
thestrin1puller	Dr. Dre has found it pretty profitable	[17:35]
knotwork	unfortunately I told judge I would not cultivate again :(	[17:35]
thestrin1puller	fudge the drug tests and smoke behind closed doors?	[17:36]
knotwork	well not while its still illegal anyway. if I'd gotten a permit before growing it would have been fine. if I'd had the money I maybe even could have bought a bale of legal weed to put on his bench to claim gee sorry I am late filing for a permit	[17:37]
knotwork	hmm or maybe permits werent actually available quite by the trial date they were in the works for sure	[17:37]
thestrin1puller	be a fugitive	[17:37]
thestrin1puller	flee the country	[17:37]
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knotwork	I am a Brit, this is a commonwealth country I should not have to flee it!	[17:38]
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knotwork	hmm actually maybe there is no commonwealth anymore? I recall in 70's there was talk of getting rid of it	[17:38]
thestrin1puller	if you want to smoke weed like Snoop Doggy you should	[17:38]
thestrin1puller	move to LA	[17:39]
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thestrin1puller	cultivate there	[17:39]
knotwork	oh sure I didnt tell judge I would not smoke it! but weed is more or less as expensive an indulgence for a starving datacentre-operator as beer is	[17:39]
thestrin1puller	not if you're a rappers posse, then it's free	[17:40]
thestrin1puller	not if you're in a rapper's posse*	[17:40]
knotwork	hmm around here its tobacco that is free, grams of it lying around in public in ashtrays free for the taking	[17:40]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:41]
knotwork	Maybe once usage tokens are working in Open Transactions I'll sell some and buy a beer to celebrate	[17:41]
thestrin1puller	I knew a kid once who smoked with Snoop. Apparently snoop carries a qp with him at all times? Anyhow he rolled like 9 cigar style blunts.	[17:42]
thestrin1puller	before a show	[17:42]
thestrin1puller	Even Katt Williams can't out smoke Snoop.	[17:42]
knotwork	well now you also know a kid who once called his friends from number ten downing street switchboard too :)	[17:42]
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thestrin1puller	wow how did my nick get lost	[17:43]
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Guest82297	I need to turn off enforce	[17:45]
knotwork	on reconnect if old connect is still present your client appends a number to distinguish new connect, evidently also making sure the number falls into the 9 character nick limit some IRC servers (used to?) enforce	[17:45]
Guest82297	well blah	[17:48]
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thepulledstring	need to find an ircop	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	just msg nickserv release	[17:48]
thepulledstring	i don't remember my password	[17:48]
thepulledstring	cause I'm like Dori from Finding Nemo	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	omg scamming	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	it has an email address ? i think you can reset it	[17:49]
knotwork	Dori is a scammer?	[17:50]
thepulledstring	XD	[17:52]
thepulledstring	I will have an ircop do the automated mailer	[17:52]
thepulledstring	I never set the flag to reset pass	[17:52]
thepulledstring	I'm a n00b deal with it	[17:52]
thepulledstring	lol	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	whine to erry	[17:52]
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thepulledstring	i will	[17:52]
thepulledstring	erry is nice and resets my password for me because I have short term memory problems	[17:52]
Azelphur	thepulledstring: I suggest using keepass like I do	[18:07]
sgornick	> sgornick : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/options-consumption-graphs/ graph porn	[18:08]
sgornick	> This article is available for a fee.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	ouch you went over limit huh ?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	hit a proxy!	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/10/analysis_of_how.html this is kinda cool	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed because it is a deflationary system, period."	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	i like these people :D	[18:12]
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thepulledstring	why do you "like them"	[18:14]
thepulledstring	sir mircea_popescu	[18:15]
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mircea_popescu	cause they make me laugh.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, writing about it, back in a few	[18:17]
thepulledstring	American Pie 2 is weird	[18:17]
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knotwork	Bankers ought to love bitcoin because being limited in supply it lets them control markets by with-holding medium of exchange as usual plus also possibly unlike gold it can be bubbled to any arbitrary value for use as "reserves" and might be cheaper to store too	[18:24]
thepulledstring	what makes you think they aren't secretly doing that?	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	thepulledstring http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-chain-of-lol/	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	there you have it.	[18:49]
thepulledstring	"Overhormonal pubescent boys sometimes conjure this imaginary girl that has no family, no emotions, no expectations, needs no food or water, spends her entire day nude in a closet somewhere eagerly awaiting the amorous attentions of the young magician. The Bitcoin-killing quantum computer seems to share most of its traits with that magnificent dream of early teen years. Maybe it’s actually the same thing."	[18:57]
thepulledstring	that's a good line	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	:P	[19:02]
thepulledstring	Romania must have awesome girls	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	kinda.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	Reward-Drop ETA: 2012-11-29 11:09:04	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	already before noon on 29th	[19:19]
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thepulledstring	thanks for the PSA mircea_popescu	[19:31]
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dub	I think its safe to say EskimoBob is well endowed	[21:35]
dub	he's always looking for something looser	[21:35]
jurov	wat?	[21:36]
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dub	on the forum, he continually rants about stuff that is less tight that he is apparently comfortable with	[21:40]
dub	s/that/than	[21:40]
jurov	haha yes, he similarly bitched about mpex backup	[21:41]
jurov	anyway, i guess biggest dick around is..er... has mircea	[21:42]
jurov	cause i'm working on processing STATJSON	[21:42]
jurov	and i wonder whether they actually tested parsing with misc clients or he just said "do it so"	[21:43]
dub	we could infer that EskimoBob find pirate too tight	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	jurov: *make it so	[21:44]
dub	as he is interested in pursuing his, looser, brother	[21:44]
jurov	dates in nonstandard format, all numbers as "strings"... looks like MPExAgent will stay useful	[21:44]
jurov	thx diablo	[21:44]
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jurov	oh and "Header" : [{"key1":"value1"},{"key2":"value2"},..etc..] srsly?	[22:00]
*	thepulledstring toasts to capitalism	[22:03]
jurov	that will be converted into "Header" : {"key1":"value1","key2":"value2"}	[22:05]
jurov	with #remove brain damage	[22:06]
jurov	comment above it	[22:06]
jurov	so... i'll appreciate donations of jsonstat samples (can be redacted, i'm just interested in format of all the parts)	[22:09]
thepulledstring	JSON is fo' haters	[22:12]
thepulledstring	XML ftw	[22:12]
jurov	someone pls kick him, that was outrageous flamebait	[22:13]
jurov	my spine just shivered when trying to imagine what kind of xml would mircea come up with	[22:14]
jurov	NOPE	[22:14]
FabianB	lol	[22:14]
jurov	NOPENOPENOPENOPE	[22:15]
thepulledstring	I thought we was cool jurov	[22:15]
thepulledstring	nopenopenope	[22:16]
jurov	already have jsonstat parser for your bots?	[22:16]
thepulledstring	you're building you're own parser?	[22:17]
thepulledstring	I use gson for all my json needs	[22:18]
jurov	i doubt gson or anything will help you with above	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov everything's strings, what dates you talkin about ?	[22:18]
thepulledstring	jurov: we can perform an experiment for the non standard dates	[22:19]
thepulledstring	jurov: we can use java.util.SimpleDateFormat	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	for the record : {"Header":[ {"key1":"value1" }, {"key2":"value2" }]} \| http://jsonlint.com/ => Valid JSON	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	so NYAH	[22:23]
jurov	for example javascript Date('Sunday the 28th of October 2012 at 07:11:07 PM') actually does work ... except that it thinks it's local time	[22:23]
jurov	and "Header:" is valid, i don't take issue with that. just that you have to iterate over it to find date/time	[22:24]
jurov	yes, it's minor issue. but completely unnecessary one.	[22:25]
thepulledstring	nyyyaaaaaah	[22:25]
thepulledstring	nyaaaaaaaah	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	jurov : the header isn't really intended for your use tho	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	you should know who you are	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	that stuff's there for the case you bring a complaint	[22:26]
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thepulledstring	mircea_popescu: wut kind of complaint	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	"dude where's my car"	[22:27]
thepulledstring	:)	[22:27]
dub	according to this PM questions are best posed in bright green capitals with yellow fill	[22:28]
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dub	I think answers might be in 1pt blue on purple (can you do flashing marquee in m$ office?)	[22:29]
jurov	i do use that date at least for unit testing	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	anyone here use coinurl ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	jurov : you're prolly better off using the time string	[22:30]
mod6	(13:12) < thepulledstring> XML ftw	[22:30]
mod6	^^^ no	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	jurov and iirc the idea was that "everything as string" is the best choice for universal compatibility	[22:34]
jurov	i'm okay with fractional numbers as strings, that may be necessary to preserve accuracy. but wrapping integers into strings is overkill.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	overkill saved the cat.	[22:36]
jurov	nyaaaaaaaan	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	think about the "larger integer than expected" case for instance.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	(yes, i literally have nasa alumni on the team, they are ruining everyone's weekends with ideas such as "well what if this is used in outerspace")	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway. should i put up a cannonical json response ?	[22:39]
jurov	at least these integers.. would save me(if not anyone else) some work	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	where's that meme with CAST EVERYTHING	[22:44]
dub	thats whats up nigga	[22:46]
dub	oh, wrong win	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:46]
jurov	yo dawg i herd you wanna intagars...	[22:48]
dub	perils of four monitors	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	more girlfriends less monitors dubby	[22:50]
dub	im a one gf kinda guy these days	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	one gf, one monitor, one fuhrer, one reich!	[22:51]
dub	though she has hinted at the possibility of shared vagoo	[22:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00045794 = 5.4953 BTC [+]	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	hers ?	[22:52]
dub	nein, sharing another	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	usure?	[22:52]
dub	well yes, I think I would enforce a single penis policy but I guess you never know	[22:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8104 @ 0.00045794 = 3.7111 BTC [+]	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00045555 = 5.421 BTC [-]	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00045552 BTC [-]	[23:17]
dub	so what was the deal with roger ver?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	apparently he got shipped to jale for a year	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	for selling firecrackers	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	i used to shot fuckers in the head and bury them in concrete pillars when i was his age, never was as much as charged.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	he sells firecrackers, spends a year inside.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	crazy world.	[23:23]
dub	hope the pillars aren't load bearing	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	dub, the master of the double entendre	[23:24]
jurov	lol...somebody should add that to those porn accusations on btctalk "beware, mpex is owned by assassin and pornstar"	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	i thought the girl was the pornstar	[23:32]
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jurov	she has her share, no?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, get a load of this http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/coinurl-a-bitcoin-advertising-service/	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	and especially the comments.	[23:33]
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dub	mushroom mushroom	[23:36]
dub	my new favorite forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg773754#msg773754	[23:40]
smickles	mircea_popescu: heh, re rodger ver: i'm one of those peeps who defaults to thinking that his ex-con status was brought about by the gov't interferring with people's right to freely interract with one another	[23:40]
smickles	dub: awesome	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	smickles i do agree criminal convictions for having sold firecrackers at the age of 20 are a shameful display of statal stupidity.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	ahaha dub	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	isn't history cute.	[23:42]
smickles	dub: I wan't to shouth that link from the rooftops	[23:42]
smickles	*shout	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00045953 = 11.5802 BTC [+]	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2104 @ 0.00045972 = 0.9673 BTC [+]	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00045994 = 2.2997 BTC [+]	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	it's like... sssspectacular	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00045998 = 1.6536 BTC [+]	[23:42]
jurov	when cracked does top 10 spectacular btctalk posts, it will be there	[23:44]
jurov	re:tracking - it surprised me a bit i got much more visitors from reddit than from btctalk.. looks like there's much bigger lurking to BS ratio	[23:47]
smickles	;;ticker	[23:49]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 10.65998, Best ask: 10.65999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 10.65998, 24 hour volume: 18472.24445661, 24 hour low: 10.24998, 24 hour high: 10.69800, 24 hour vwap: 10.47636	[23:49]
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