Forum logs for 28 Feb 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu but whyyy [00:00]
sagia12 its on its way rg [00:00]
sagia12 rg are you there? [00:02]
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sagia12 ;;rate rg 1 I bought him dinner for 3 BTC. Very precise and patient. Highly Recommended! [00:07]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user rg has been recorded. [00:07]
NASDAQEnema rg your paybot is nagging me about that order [00:08]
sagia12 Thanks rg [00:08]
mircea_popescu lmao highly recommended for dinner guest ? :D [00:09]
NASDAQEnema what I hate more than fees is paypal NOT charging me [00:10]
rg NASDAQEnema: you should've seen the default settings [00:12]
rg default settings is to send 3 emails a day [00:13]
rg until suspension [00:13]
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NASDAQEnema yeah it's not charging me but I wanted to make sure it didn't all get weird on me [00:13]
rg its annoying i know but Bitcoin has no rebill [00:14]
rg so its my only option [00:14]
NASDAQEnema that's cool [00:14]
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rg you could have them automatically go to a seperate dir [00:14]
rg thats what i do, whmcs emails far too much [00:15]
rg it sends me atleast 5 emails a day [00:15]
NASDAQEnema eek [00:15]
rg it nags you to pay, it nags me for far worse things [00:15]
rg like adding new clients [00:15]
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rawrmage rg: haha [00:17]
rawrmage it nags you that's funny [00:17]
rg enough to have its own mailbox [00:18]
rg and i disabled notification for it [00:18]
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rg rawrmage: texas might move.. [00:18]
rg to Atlanta [00:18]
rg new box too [00:19]
rg a better one [00:19]
rawrmage cool [00:19]
rg yeah [00:19]
rg the way it looks right now, if we spend like $2-3k [00:19]
rg we can reduce our monthly costs atleast 50% [00:19]
rg (which is good for everyone) [00:19]
silvercoin ;;eauth silvercoin [00:21]
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rg ;;rate sagio12 1 ordered me foods and it arrived correctly! [00:24]
silvercoin fuud [00:24]
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mircea_popescu interesting ideea with guaranteeing debts copumpkin. [00:27]
silvercoin FUCK [00:28]
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rg im watching the new walking dead [00:32]
rg i think something i called is gonna come up son [00:32]
rg soon* [00:32]
rg theyre talking about how it 'had to be scratches' [00:32]
rg originalyl when the guy in the CDC says 'there will come a time when you wont' [00:32]
rg he whispers, i figured he said 'its airborne' [00:33]
rawrmage lol [00:33]
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rg if you follow the show you know what im talking about [00:33]
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phantomcircuit rg, lol [00:34]
phantomcircuit rg, i didn't hear that [00:34]
phantomcircuit i should watch them all again [00:34]
rg you dont hear him [00:35]
rg its a whisper [00:35]
rg they mnever told whath e says [00:35]
phantomcircuit ooh [00:36]
phantomcircuit yeah i remember that [00:36]
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luke-jr Please test https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66556.msg772514 [00:41]
brendio_ Buying WBX AUD for 25 c in the dollar Mt Gox (USD or AUD) [00:41]
djoot ;;view [00:42]
gribble #6842 Fri Feb 17 03:17:27 2012 djoot BUY 1.0 Dual Head AGP graphics card w at least 64MB memory shipped to sweden @ 1 offer in btc (drop specs with offer to /msg djoot) [00:42]
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vragnaroda That show is retarded. [00:45]
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mircea_popescu hm i want an agp card too. i guess they got sucked into the void. [00:48]
luke-jr mircea_popescu: how much you offering for my Radeon X850? [00:48]
mircea_popescu o hey [00:48]
mircea_popescu what is it, like 50 bux ? [00:49]
luke-jr nfc [00:49]
luke-jr not worth my time to ship it for $50 tho [00:49]
mircea_popescu is it xt or pro or what ? [00:49]
a5m0 buying: 1x 5970 or 6990, selling: 5 yubikeys, 1 dual 2.8ghz xeon server/computer, pm for details [00:50]
luke-jr nfc, what's the diff? [00:50]
phantomcircuit nanotube, please remove vragnaroda from ops he has clearly list his mind [00:50]
phantomcircuit :) [00:50]
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mircea_popescu so how much do you want ? and wtf is nfc lol [00:50]
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luke-jr no freaking clue [00:50]
mircea_popescu mkay... [00:50]
a5m0 nfc = near field communication [00:50]
mircea_popescu that's what i thought too a5m0 [00:51]
mircea_popescu made about as much sense as an obama speech tho [00:51]
Someguy123 anyone here wanna see if my clusterfuck validation has any flaws? http://contest.vertvps.com/register.php [00:51]
mircea_popescu ill give it a look guy [00:51]
luke-jr oh [00:52]
luke-jr this is X1650 Pro actually [00:52]
Someguy123 it's a clusterfuck of elseif's which is why I'm doubting its security... [00:52]
mircea_popescu Fatal error: Uncaught BitcoinClientException: [0]: Didn't receive 200 OK from remote server. (HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error) thrown in on line 0 [00:55]
mircea_popescu fucked you up alright [00:56]
mircea_popescu SELECT 1; #comment as name/pw [00:56]
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mircea_popescu someguy123 ding. [00:57]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu gah [00:57]
gusti ;;fraud [00:57]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu btc is supposed to be stfu'ing errors [00:58]
Someguy123 =_= [00:58]
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mircea_popescu hey, im just breaking it cause you asked :) [00:58]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu how do I tell it to shut the fuck up about json errors? [00:59]
mircea_popescu in php @ quiets output [00:59]
luke-jr or you can edit php.ini to suppress them all [00:59]
mircea_popescu or that yea. tho not sure how good an ideea it is. [01:00]
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Someguy123 mircea_popescu yeah I've put it on display_errors = false already atleast [01:01]
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mircea_popescu so how much do you want for the card luke ? [01:01]
luke-jr mircea_popescu: dunno [01:02]
luke-jr in fact, I don't even know fi the X1650 is really mine [01:02]
luke-jr I only remember having an X850 [01:02]
mircea_popescu lol ok [01:02]
luke-jr and I guess I don't know where the X850 is :/ [01:03]
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luke-jr suppose it might be in my mom's machine [01:03]
luke-jr she's using my old one [01:03]
mircea_popescu rip mom's compuer apart because of guy on the internets. [01:03]
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luke-jr no thx [01:04]
luke-jr too much trouble :p [01:04]
mircea_popescu hehe [01:05]
mod6 wow. has anyone bought any of the gold coins or bars from coinabul.com? these look awesome! [01:05]
mod6 (they sell for BTC) [01:06]
mcorlett mod6: They're legit, but have extremely long shipping times. [01:06]
luke-jr mcorlett: longer than ButterFly Labs? [01:06]
mod6 Thanks for the heads up mcorlett. [01:07]
a5m0 long shipping times sounds like they wait for spot price to change? [01:07]
luke-jr lol [01:07]
mod6 Yeah, thats makes me flinch a bit. [01:07]
mod6 They are purdy tho. xD [01:08]
nanotube phantomcircuit: who lost what where? :) [01:08]
mcorlett luke-jr: On a scale from 1 to 10, where 1 is instant, and 10 is BFL, they get a 6. [01:08]
luke-jr lol [01:08]
phantomcircuit nanotube, he denied that the walking dead is an amazing show [01:08]
phantomcircuit nanotube, clearly vragnaroda has lost his mind [01:08]
rg ehm [01:09]
nanotube phantomcircuit: ah hehe ic. [01:09]
* nanotube hasn't seen any of it [01:09]
rg side note: about 46% of walking dead has been good this season [01:09]
rg the other 54% has been pointless drama [01:09]
rg where nothing happens [01:09]
rg at all [01:09]
phantomcircuit yeah i much prefer the running away from zombies [01:10]
vragnaroda nanotube: It's a really good premise, but with no technical advisors and they'd all be dead in like the first episode. [01:10]
a5m0 i got a 22 on my autism spectrum quotient, according to the internet [01:10]
nanotube a5m0: out of how many? :P [01:10]
nanotube and what are the endpoints? [01:10]
nanotube vragnaroda: for most shows it is the case that if everyone was smart, the show would be over in like one episode. maybe two. :) [01:11]
a5m0 Your score: 22 [01:11]
a5m0 0 - 10 = low [01:11]
a5m0 11 - 22 = average (most women score about 15 and most men score about 17) [01:11]
a5m0 23 - 31 = above average [01:11]
a5m0 32 - 50 is very high (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 35) [01:11]
a5m0 50 is maximum [01:11]
nanotube heh ic [01:11]
* nanotube wonders if he'll get like 55. : [01:11]
nanotube P [01:12]
a5m0 http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/AutismSpectrumQuotient/AutismSpectrumQuotient.aspx [01:12]
vragnaroda ;;bc,blocks [01:12]
gribble 168793 [01:13]
mircea_popescu Your score: 13 [01:16]
Someguy123 a5m0 25. [01:16]
mircea_popescu i am unautistic. [01:16]
Someguy123 i'm actually an aspie [01:16]
Someguy123 so... not surprised [01:16]
mircea_popescu am i like the lowest score on btc? [01:16]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu well I got 25. [01:16]
a5m0 mircea_popescu, probably [01:16]
Someguy123 a5m0 what'd you get? [01:16]
a5m0 22 [01:17]
Someguy123 a5m0 close to me... [01:17]
vragnaroda Oh, I must try this out. [01:17]
mircea_popescu maybe i should open a deautistification class. [01:17]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu hah [01:17]
a5m0 i've never been diagnosed for anything, meaning i have not paid anyone to tell me what i am [01:17]
mircea_popescu me either. [01:17]
a5m0 i'm a physics/engineering major if that helps [01:17]
Someguy123 a5m0 I'm happily living on autistic benefits [01:17]
Someguy123 :D [01:17]
mircea_popescu besides, who the ef could do such a thing ? [01:17]
a5m0 Someguy123, what country gives autistics aid? [01:18]
Someguy123 aka living at home with my mom while she reaps in all the disability benefits to pay for the power [01:18]
Someguy123 a5m0 US and UK [01:18]
Someguy123 i'm in the UK so... [01:18]
phantomcircuit lol yeah it counts as a disability so you get social security disability [01:18]
a5m0 i don't think the USA would do that, and i am an independent... :/ [01:18]
a5m0 they would realize that i'm too functional to need aid [01:18]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: yeah, it seemed like it'd make the loan more palatable :) but I don't think it worked [01:19]
Someguy123 a5m0 yeah well I hate people usually. [01:19]
a5m0 Someguy123, don't we all? [01:19]
Someguy123 a5m0 I deserve it... i don't talk outside of the internet [01:19]
Someguy123 derp [01:19]
mircea_popescu still copumpkin, there's a future in that sorta business, if you're good at groking people. [01:19]
* mircea_popescu doesn't hate people. [01:19]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu I'm one of the most socially awkward persons ever =_= [01:19]
Someguy123 i'm aspergers and I only got a 25 [01:20]
mircea_popescu i once picked up a pick=up artist's gf at ap arty [01:20]
Someguy123 troll test is troll [01:20]
mircea_popescu (didn't know) [01:20]
nanotube 19 heh [01:20]
nanotube guess i'm about average [01:20]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: yeah, I wanted to sell CDSes but I still need to figure out what to charge for them :) that's just an extension of guaranteeing loans, where you can sell many copies of the guarantee to people who might not have any stake in it [01:20]
mircea_popescu Nanotube the Balanced [01:20]
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nanotube heh [01:21]
copumpkin King Nanotube The Fair [01:21]
Someguy123 mircea_popescu I'm the real balance [01:21]
Someguy123 i got 25. [01:21]
Someguy123 25/50 [01:21]
mircea_popescu i understand what cds are copumpkin :) [01:21]
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mircea_popescu lol this isn't math someguy :D [01:21]
ne1watching ;;gpg eauth ne1watching [01:21]
mircea_popescu is nanotube a blondy ? [01:21]
copumpkin everything is math [01:21]
mircea_popescu or else where's the fair coming from ? [01:21]
a5m0 mircea_popescu, isn't that more an argument for that girl is prone to being picked up? [01:22]
mircea_popescu a5m0 absolutely. [01:22]
nanotube mircea_popescu: fair and balanced :) [01:22]
nanotube like fox news <_< :) [01:22]
mircea_popescu btw, copumpkin, here's an ideea : trawl the forums finding 4-5-10 decent (EXCEPTIONAL by btc standards) bond issuances, of 100+ btc liquidity [01:23]
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mircea_popescu build them into a synthetic bundle sell 3 tranches [01:23]
copumpkin lol [01:23]
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vragnaroda Someguy123: lol, I beat your score (35). [01:23]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: only if you then make a CDO^2 out of mine [01:23]
Someguy123 vragnaroda you TRIED didn't you? [01:23]
mircea_popescu if we only had a working stock market this'd take off. [01:23]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda is almost 3x me. [01:23]
mircea_popescu i shall need reinforcements. [01:24]
Someguy123 vragnaroda I'm an aspie and i only got 25 =_= [01:24]
mircea_popescu ya but he had glasses asa kid. [01:24]
vragnaroda Someguy123: I didn't really try to skew it, but I don't exactly take it seriously, either. :p [01:24]
nanotube haha well the questions are very easy to game. ;) [01:24]
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mircea_popescu only for aspies :D [01:24]
nanotube heh [01:25]
* copumpkin tries to get a 50 [01:25]
copumpkin wait, I don't even know where this test is [01:25]
vragnaroda copumpkin: http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/AutismSpectrumQuotient/AutismSpectrumQuotient.aspx [01:25]
a5m0 what does a "working stock market" encompass? [01:26]
a5m0 and isn't that very possible that it could just implode? [01:26]
mircea_popescu a5m0 : im talking of the technicval side pretty much [01:27]
mircea_popescu a decent execution engine and a rock-solid accts area. [01:27]
a5m0 so just mtgox but with DOD security? [01:27]
* mircea_popescu actually has half a mind to take a it guy partner and do a stock/bond exchange as a joint venture. [01:27]
a5m0 most of the time though the IT guy isn't going to realize that he's the 90% of the effort and he'll want 90% of the rewards [01:28]
nanotube copumpkin: got a 44. :) [01:28]
mircea_popescu yea that a5m0, but you need more than 1 pair, and their engine sucks from what i can tell. [01:28]
sagia12 ;;getrating sagia12 [01:28]
gribble User sagia12, created on Thu Feb 23 22:33:00 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=sagia12 Currently authenticated from hostmask sagia12!sagia12@pool-98-114-168-41.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [01:28]
a5m0 most of the time though the IT guy --is-- going to realize that he's the 90% of the effort and he'll want 90% of the rewards* [01:28]
mircea_popescu a5m0 restate your last one cause it seems aha [01:28]
mircea_popescu this is false, imo. [01:29]
sagia12 ;;seen rg [01:29]
gribble rg was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 19 minutes and 29 seconds ago: at all [01:29]
mircea_popescu the contribution of the it person is a technical skill. the market finesse going into running it is an art. [01:29]
vragnaroda ;;bc,blocks [01:29]
gribble 168794 [01:29]
a5m0 most people that think the have a million dollar idea "if they could just get someone to code it" don't realize that the value is mostly in the execution and that their idea isn't really that unique it just takes effort to be implemented [01:30]
copumpkin I got a 20 answering truthfully [01:30]
mircea_popescu execution != coding. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu just as the morgan stanley trading desk != the it guy greasing their computers. [01:30]
copumpkin lol [01:31]
sagia12 anyone interested in buying a Pelco IS90 CCTV camera with 4 Channel Altronix Power Supply.... total retail around $210.00 usd....asking 18.00 btc shipping included [01:31]
nanotube heh i managed to get 48... wonder what 2 i'm missing. [01:31]
mircea_popescu if i made a test like this [01:31]
mircea_popescu i'd do it with 48 max deliberately and log the ppl trying to get 50 [01:32]
copumpkin lol [01:32]
nanotube haha [01:32]
* You are now known as leastaspieonotc [01:32]
leastaspieonotc r famous! [01:33]
phantomcircuit leastaspieonotc, believe me when i say you are vastly underestimating the complexity of even a fairly simple trading platform [01:34]
nanotube 49! [01:34]
phantomcircuit especially if you have a hotly traded market [01:34]
leastaspieonotc phantomcircuit on one hand, im not exactly innocent of managing coding projects. on the other, it won't be THAT hotly traded. [01:35]
* You are now known as mircea_popescu [01:35]
copumpkin it's a art [01:35]
mircea_popescu that i can grant. [01:35]
copumpkin trolling, that is [01:35]
phantomcircuit mircea_popescu, it's not about the average execution rate [01:35]
mircea_popescu hater :D [01:35]
danieldaniel comboy: That's the way I like to think about it [01:35]
phantomcircuit it's about that one huge order that clears 10% of your orderbook [01:35]
danieldaniel copumpkin* [01:36]
danieldaniel Wow my tab complete fails [01:36]
mircea_popescu now that will likely hapen a lot phantom [01:36]
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phantomcircuit mircea_popescu, yeah see that is actually a very expensive operation [01:36]
copumpkin you can write a fairly simple data structure that allows you to clear 10% of your order book in log(order count) time :P [01:36]
mircea_popescu ok, let me see this, what would you say is in man-hours or $ the cost for making one ? [01:36]
phantomcircuit probably more expensive than just trading back and forth at ~ the same price [01:36]
rawrmage vragnaroda: this might amuse you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ_WtI5mkNI [01:37]
phantomcircuit mircea_popescu, just for the trading platform or for trading platform and authentication authorization logging automated auditing support integration staff control panel and payment processor integration [01:38]
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phantomcircuit mircea_popescu, just the trading engine is relatively easy and cheap [01:38]
mircea_popescu let's take this off chan for a sec [01:38]
phantomcircuit it's EVERYTHING ELSE that's expensive [01:38]
phantomcircuit lol and most of the rest is a moving target too [01:39]
sagia12 LOWERED THE PRICE anyone interested in buying a Pelco IS90 CCTV camera with 4 Channel Altronix Power Supply.... total retail around $210.00 usd....asking 16.00 btc shipping included [01:39]
sagia12 last time ill post it tonight [01:39]
a5m0 buying: 1x 5970 or 6990, selling: 5 yubikeys, 1 dual 2.8ghz xeon server/computer, pm for details [01:43]
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danieldaniel who thinks I should stay up until 1 to get the pi? [01:43]
a5m0 i do [01:44]
a5m0 because it's not being released tonight [01:44]
a5m0 so you should stay up on the wrong day [01:44]
danieldaniel its not? [01:44]
a5m0 -_- [01:44]
a5m0 did you even read the email? [01:44]
danieldaniel no [01:44]
a5m0 then what are you even talking about? [01:44]
a5m0 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012 [01:44]
danieldaniel yeah [01:45]
a5m0 that is not tonight [01:45]
a5m0 that is tomorrow night [01:45]
danieldaniel oh [01:45]
a5m0 but i regret correcting you [01:45]
a5m0 but i'm too nice a guy [01:45]
danieldaniel >.> [01:46]
danieldaniel 11:45pm] SpeedEvil: Anyone that doesn't want to stay up - just PM me their CC numbers, authorisation code, nad inside-leg measurement. [01:46]
danieldaniel LMAO [01:46]
mircea_popescu lol [01:46]
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a5m0 i really don't think danieldaniel needs an embedded linux device though [01:50]
danieldaniel why? [01:50]
a5m0 there are other people that actually work on them in here.... [01:50]
a5m0 like *cough* a5m0 [01:50]
mircea_popescu anyone here got the bfl things ? [01:50]
danieldaniel bfl things? [01:50]
danieldaniel mircea_popescu: drugz? [01:50]
MBS ;;seen silvercoin [01:50]
gribble silvercoin was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 1 second ago: FUCK [01:50]
danieldaniel lmao [01:50]
mircea_popescu miner gear. [01:50]
danieldaniel oh, butterfly labs [01:51]
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mircea_popescu why does everyone on btctalk-market issue shares at X price, take it up to X+k then drop it back to X ? [01:53]
mircea_popescu this is the most boneheaded thing you could do with a stock issue. [01:53]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54182.0 ahahaha this is horrid. [01:59]
danieldaniel all the people who timeout r n00b5 [02:00]
mircea_popescu so im not the only one with pretty much zilch results on the forum ads. [02:00]
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rawrmage danieldaniel: drugs? :3 [02:04]
rg i just watched a very strange movie [02:04]
rawrmage danieldaniel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec2WYiGCiPo [02:05]
a5m0 ;;seen MBS [02:07]
gribble MBS was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 17 minutes and 13 seconds ago: ;;seen silvercoin [02:07]
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MBS dockstar came in? [02:08]
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danieldaniel wat [02:09]
danieldaniel rawrmage: wtf [02:09]
rg mircea_popescu: i told you that [02:10]
rg we advertised on the forum and got ZERO hits [02:10]
rg ZERO [02:10]
danieldaniel rawrmage: lolwat [02:10]
mircea_popescu yeah. hey, i wanted to try it. [02:10]
rg its a rip off [02:10]
rg theymos has lost his mind [02:10]
mircea_popescu i got one dood, he fucked up his order, i fixed it, he fucked it up again, i didn't fix it, he started a whine thread which got mostly ignored. [02:10]
rg This email is to inform you that you have been selected as one of the recipients of a cash grant for the growth of your economy and personal development. You are to receive the sum of 500,000.00 Pounds Sterling as developmental aid paid by the United Nations Foundation to individuals in selective countries. To receive your grant contact the UNDP agent allocated to you below; [02:11]
mircea_popescu well, he's putting them up for auction with no reserve, i don't see that he's doing anything wrong [02:11]
rg Mr Kent Reeves [02:11]
rg Email: unitednationgrant2012@hotmail.com [02:11]
mircea_popescu if people want to bid, let them bid whatever they think fair. [02:11]
danieldaniel LMAO [02:11]
rg mircea_popescu: we had to pay like 15 btc [02:11]
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rg to advertise for a week [02:11]
rg no one on the forum gives a shit [02:11]
mircea_popescu i only paid 5 i think ? anyway, i didn't mind paying 5 btc to some btc initiative, let them have it. [02:11]
rg well , i have a btc company, we specialize in scamming businesses [02:12]
rg will you give us 5 btc too? [02:12]
danieldaniel rg: great advertising [02:12]
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mircea_popescu eh come one, theymos is an old timer and not exactly specialised in scamming anyone. [02:12]
rg i wasnt referring to bitvps you twat [02:12]
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danieldaniel o [02:12]
rg i never said it was a scam [02:12]
rg i said it was a rip off [02:12]
MBS who wants to invest in bitscam [02:13]
mircea_popescu well, it's a ripoff cause of what people bid. [02:13]
mircea_popescu they could bid 0.0003 btc or whatevs. [02:13]
rg cause most of them dont know theyre about to get fucked [02:13]
mircea_popescu actually i see a lot of repeat business [02:13]
mircea_popescu that wm-center thing keeps buying [02:13]
mircea_popescu MBS wehat does it do ? [02:13]
rg 'Go fuck yourself, you Nigerian piece of shit.' [02:14]
rg that was my reply to his email [02:14]
mircea_popescu why reply ? [02:14]
danieldaniel rg: lol [02:14]
mircea_popescu to confirm addy ? [02:14]
MBS its a secret proprietary blend of investments and unique marketed products [02:14]
rg just to tell him that hes a prick [02:14]
rg he will see an email and be like oooo! [02:14]
MBS Hey you stupid american prick [02:14]
rg then he'll read it and be like aww [02:14]
MBS im somalian [02:15]
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rg Somalia has no internet right now [02:15]
mircea_popescu you sound like the LIB.x guy MBS [02:15]
rg the main ISP was govt run [02:15]
MBS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Somalia#Internet [02:15]
MBS Four Internet Service Providers (ISPs), one each in Boosaaso and Hargeisa, and two in Mogadishu (2004), offer internet access to some 100,000 users (2008), up from just 200 in 2000.[11] [02:15]
MBS Both wireless service and Internet cafés are available. [02:15]
rg www.somalitelecomgroup.com -> leading Somali ISP [02:16]
rg telecom-somalia.com -> other leading ISP [02:17]
rg both scooped up by domain squatters. [02:17]
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mircea_popescu [23:51] <@MagicalTux> 2. We are mtgox, not bitcoinica [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:51] heh [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:51] well, bitcoinica says [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:51] that you are imposing your withdrawal limits on their account [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:52] this is causing a great deal of trouble for bitcoinica users [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:52] <@MagicalTux> inau: bitcoinica is an illegal loan entity run by a minor [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:52] <@MagicalTux> technically [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:52] <@MagicalTux> now, if we had proper corporate documentation for bitcoinica we could allow larger withdraw limits [02:17]
mircea_popescu [23:52] i see [02:17]
mircea_popescu lawl [02:17]
danieldaniel lawl [02:18]
jaypetermm ;; gpg ident +jaypetermm [02:18]
rg +1 mt [02:19]
rg ;;rate sagia12 1 ordered me foods and it arrived correctly [02:19]
danieldaniel rg: f00d* [02:19]
rg im in a bad mood [02:20]
danieldaniel rg: oh, are you? [02:20]
danieldaniel W001! I got 0.0234 [02:21]
sagia12 ya they do.....its pirated hahaha [02:21]
rawrmage rg: would you like some ponies for that? :( [02:21]
rg the only way you could get internet in somalia is by buying a VSAT [02:22]
danieldaniel rg: would you like some dead ponies? [02:22]
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sagia12 rg: how was the sub? [02:22]
rg fine [02:23]
rg the cheese bread was ... weird [02:23]
rg not like how they usually make it. [02:23]
danieldaniel why is neofutur opped in #mtgox? [02:24]
danieldaniel just wondering [02:24]
rg cause he works for them [02:24]
rawrmage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTPqjKk_xCo [02:24]
danieldaniel rg: ohrly [02:24]
copumpkin nothing beats correct foodz [02:26]
rawrmage .title [02:26]
markac rawrmage: MLP Equestria Girls-Extended Hub Promo Edition - YouTube [02:26]
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paulzag ;;rate mod6 2 sold him BTC for MP twice quick & easy [02:32]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mod6 has been recorded. [02:32]
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danieldaniel oh noes [02:33]
Staatsfeind danieldaniel: Did you really not know that? [02:34]
danieldaniel wat [02:34]
copumpkin Angkor [02:34]
rawrmage hello, Staatsfeind!! [02:34]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: this might amuse you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ_WtI5mkNI [02:35]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: I saw it. [02:35]
rawrmage ah ok [02:35]
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danieldaniel ;;eauth danieldaniel [02:35]
sagia12 ;;voiceme [02:35]
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danieldaniel ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:634bfbd3993355d08626767db84b1db85d6aea9a193e9bee5679c82f [02:36]
gribble You are now authenticated for user danieldaniel with key C5D21E9BDCAE3594 [02:36]
danieldaniel ;;voiceme [02:36]
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danieldaniel ;;unauth [02:36]
MBS free act of valor (or any other movie) ticket: https://www.facebook.com/LifeLock?sk=app_310177202326156 [02:36]
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sagia12 is there a way to change my Nick on the web of trust? [02:36]
sagia12 or if i change it i have to start over [02:37]
sagia12 or do i just reverify my key [02:37]
copumpkin sagia12: you might be able to get nanotube to change it for you if you're very nice to him [02:37]
copumpkin but you need to be painfully nice for it to work [02:38]
copumpkin can you handle that? [02:38]
sagia12 yup [02:38]
danieldaniel copumpkin: lol no you don't [02:38]
Cusipzzz feeding gribble might help, too :) [02:38]
copumpkin ;;botsnack [02:39]
sagia12 thats what i was thinking [02:39]
rawrmage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMZYFGRHFU haha [02:39]
rawrmage it works well with gilda [02:39]
danieldaniel .title [02:39]
markac danieldaniel: Fluttershy, unfuck yourself. - YouTube [02:39]
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danieldaniel ... [02:39]
danieldaniel lolwat [02:39]
rawrmage i like how you watched it anyway [02:40]
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danieldaniel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfxn8MU7tsQ [02:41]
danieldaniel first comment [02:41]
danieldaniel "My Little Pony brought me here." [02:41]
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rawrmage hah [02:41]
Staatsfeind That's an old GPG passphrase of mine. :/ [02:42]
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copumpkin My little phony, Holden Caulfield's version of it [02:42]
Staatsfeind (Not anymore, though.) [02:42]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: "my little pony brought me here"? :P [02:42]
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errydayimgenerat ;;eauth errydayimgenerat [02:43]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: No, “You had best unfuck yourself or I will unscrew your head and shit down your neck.” [02:43]
rawrmage lol [02:43]
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Staatsfeind I like movie quotes for passphrases, because they're whole sentences (sometimes rather long sentences) that are fairly easy to remember. [02:44]
copumpkin good to know [02:44]
* copumpkin l33thax Staatsfeind [02:44]
rawrmage danieldaniel: have you seen apple.mov? [02:44]
danieldaniel rawrmage: nur [02:44]
rawrmage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxAJqvslV7M [02:44]
danieldaniel .title [02:45]
markac danieldaniel: APPLE.MOV - YouTube [02:45]
danieldaniel oh [02:45]
Staatsfeind copumpkin: Well, they're also rather long strings and what are you going to do, take a database of every line from every movie ever made and use it for a dictionary attack? [02:45]
errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wf wire, 1.2 mtgox usd to your 1 wf usd :) [02:45]
Staatsfeind GLWT [02:45]
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copumpkin Staatsfeind: damn right, cause I'm super duper l33t [02:46]
danieldaniel copumpkin: 1337* [02:46]
copumpkin danieldaniel: scriptkiddie. [02:46]
copumpkin everyone knows l33t is spelled the way I did it [02:46]
danieldaniel copumpkin: 1337* [02:46]
copumpkin the other one is the wannabe loser with no taste spelling [02:46]
guardian003 So how do i buy bitcoins [02:46]
danieldaniel guardian003: you don't [02:46]
rawrmage danieldaniel: did you watch it? :P [02:46]
copumpkin danieldaniel: trust me, I'm a certified l33t hax0r [02:46]
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danieldaniel guardian003: You don't want them [02:46]
danieldaniel rawrmage: watching [02:47]
danieldaniel lolwa [02:47]
danieldaniel t [02:47]
rawrmage k lol [02:47]
Staatsfeind Sorry, copumpkin, but gribble says it's 133+ [02:47]
copumpkin gribble is wr0ng [02:47]
guardian003 ?? [02:47]
danieldaniel Staatsfeind: 1337* [02:47]
danieldaniel rawrmage: HES PREGNANT! [02:47]
errydayimgenerat back in my day 1337 was 31337 [02:47]
Staatsfeind 19:47 leet leet [02:47]
Staatsfeind 19:47 133+ [02:47]
inau ;;ticker [02:47]
Staatsfeind danieldaniel: You should have taken copumpkin's route. [02:48]
danieldaniel ;;leet leet [02:48]
Staatsfeind Gribble's just wrong works as an argument. [02:48]
danieldaniel D: [02:48]
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danieldaniel Staatsfeind: ohaider [02:48]
Staatsfeind It doesn't let you do that in-channel at all anymore, does it? [02:48]
Staatsfeind danieldaniel: See the second link in the topic. [02:48]
danieldaniel oh, sorry [02:48]
guardian003 whos selling [02:49]
errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wf wire, 1.2 mtgox usd to your 1 wf usd :) [02:49]
rawrmage god i hate this bug in this userscript [02:49]
rawrmage it's displaying all text in white and a background image of a pony hanging itself on EVERY PAGE [02:49]
errydayimgenerat guardian003: you got wells fargo by any chance? [02:49]
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danieldaniel lol [02:50]
rawrmage http://i.imgur.com/Fjb3Y.jpg [02:50]
danieldaniel errydayimgenerat: is a wire OK? [02:50]
errydayimgenerat if its wf to wf [02:50]
rawrmage Subject: DFMS - A New Reagent for Direct Difluoromethylation [02:50]
danieldaniel what if it's not [02:50]
errydayimgenerat then it'snot [02:50]
danieldaniel oh crap, its almost 8; and I have to read 1000 pages of a book by then [02:51]
rawrmage danieldaniel: haha you're fucked [02:51]
nanotube danieldaniel: better start reading. [02:51]
mircea_popescu daniel can read ? [02:51]
danieldaniel mircea_popescu: :( [02:51]
danieldaniel Well yeah [02:51]
mircea_popescu books ? [02:51]
danieldaniel it's not _due_ for a couple days [02:51]
danieldaniel but [02:51]
danieldaniel I also have to write a repor [02:51]
danieldaniel t [02:51]
mircea_popescu im sure you can find one online. [02:52]
nanotube danieldaniel: well, you better get to it! [02:52]
danieldaniel *reads really fast* [02:52]
danieldaniel ! h4v3 +0 r34d n40, 50 b4! [02:53]
sagia12 danieldaniel: report on what? [02:53]
danieldaniel afk [02:53]
danieldaniel sagia12: a book [02:53]
sagia12 what book? [02:53]
sagia12 wow it died in here [02:56]
errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wf wire, 1.2 mtgox usd to your 1 wf usd :) [02:58]
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errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wf wire, 1.2 mtgox usd to your 1 wf usd :) [03:04]
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sagia12 erryday.........so i give you 100wf deposit you give me 120mtg? [03:07]
errydayimgenerat yeahh i guess [03:07]
sagia12 whats your acct number? [03:07]
errydayimgenerat do you have wf? [03:07]
sagia12 theres one right next to my work [03:08]
errydayimgenerat arent they closed? [03:08]
sagia12 id make a cash deposit to your acct.......tomorrow of course [03:08]
sagia12 or is this onetime only right now [03:08]
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copumpkin assholes gotta stop selling [03:10]
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coingenuity a warning to people... [03:14]
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coingenuity scammers can debit your account with the routing information, so you should only provide that to people / organizations you've dealt with before and you feel are trustworthy [03:15]
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coingenuity it is far from common but be aware that it does happen sometimes :) [03:15]
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mircea_popescu how exactly would they do that ?! [03:17]
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splatster Slling 26 BTC for PPUSD [08:57]
splatster Selling 26 BTC for PPUSD [08:57]
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extor Dwolla is reminding me to verify two small deposits to my account but they didn't make any deposits yet [09:02]
copumpkin relevant to people hating on HFT in bitcoin: http://www.economist.com/node/21547988 [09:03]
copumpkin extor: it takes a few days [09:03]
extor It's been a couple of days already. Maybe ING is super slow. It's the sloth of online banks because they also insist on pausing all deposits an extra two days lawl [09:04]
extor bastids [09:04]
extor Oh well it's free checking, can't complain [09:04]
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extor I wish mtgox had direct LR transfers. They have some wierd threeway deal. [09:10]
sturles They had direct LR transfers until people started using MtGox as an LR exchange. Transferring USD to MtGox and withdrawing LR without buying a single bitcoin. [09:12]
sturles It used to be a very cheap place to buy LR.. [09:13]
mircea_popescu splatster aite [09:13]
mircea_popescu ;;ident splatster [09:14]
coingenuity if memory serves you can get LR with bitinstant [09:14]
splatster ;;getrating mircea_popescu [09:14]
gribble User mircea_popescu, created on Fri Jul 22 08:04:26 2011. Cumulative rating 49, from 23 total ratings. Received ratings: 23 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 22 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu Currently not authenticated. [09:14]
coingenuity i might be wrong, though [09:14]
splatster ;;ident mircea_popescu [09:15]
gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@78.96.92.89', is not identified. [09:15]
mircea_popescu ill id hang on [09:15]
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Blitzboom morning sturles [09:16]
Blitzboom i saw a transaction 30 BTC for 4.7€ :O [09:17]
Blitzboom are these people crazy? [09:17]
mircea_popescu where blitzboom ? [09:17]
Blitzboom bitcoin.de [09:18]
mircea_popescu i guess im making an acct. [09:18]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate splatster 2 two digit [09:26]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user splatster has been recorded. [09:26]
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GamerKeys ;;eauth GamerKeys [09:28]
GamerKeys ;;auth GamerKeys [09:28]
GamerKeys sup [09:28]
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splatster ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Sold BTC for PPUSD. Quick, simple trade. [09:29]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [09:29]
GamerKeys is it more or is 31.5 mh/s for a 7970 a bit low [09:30]
copumpkin just a tad [09:31]
mircea_popescu a little yea [09:31]
mircea_popescu i hear can happen if your power isn't quite enough [09:31]
Graet conman gets 700+ mhash from cgminer and 7970 [09:31]
copumpkin but then again, he is a conman [09:31]
GamerKeys power isnt enough? [09:31]
splatster Greed: That's... a lot. [09:31]
GamerKeys how much power do i need to run this thing? I used to run 5 5830's with a 1000w psu, im using a 100w psu with a single 12v rail to power this single 7970 [09:33]
GamerKeys 1000w* [09:33]
* mircea_popescu not a miner im affraid. [09:36]
Graet that should be plenty GamerKeys [09:36]
GamerKeys ok using cgminer now [09:36]
GamerKeys seems to be getting ~650mh/s [09:37]
Graet copumpkin, his name is con , man ;) [09:37]
Graet thats better :) [09:37]
copumpkin Graet: oh, very reassuring! [09:37]
Graet whatever [09:37]
GamerKeys interesting [09:38]
GamerKeys I cant get mem to 600mhz [09:38]
Graet #bitcoin-mining might have more info GamerKeys or #cgminer :) [09:39]
Graet iirc something about cant lower mem as much, but i dont have a 7970 yet ;) [09:40]
GamerKeys its cool [09:40]
GamerKeys Il chalk it up to the typical great quality of CCC [09:40]
Graet hehe theres that too ;) [09:41]
GamerKeys yea [09:41]
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GamerKeys one thing i am surprised at is how good of a card it is for gaming [09:42]
GamerKeys i had a 6970 last summer and it was awful compared to my gtx 570 [09:43]
Graet cool [09:43]
GamerKeys not that i game much.... who has time for that [09:43]
Graet i'm planning on getting 2 - trying to decide if to put them in desktop to replace 6950s or use in ndedi rig ;) [09:44]
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Graet true that lol, not since i opened pool ;) [09:44]
MBS anyone want to buy an xbox live 12 month code? [09:44]
GamerKeys lol [09:44]
GamerKeys i used to get in at least 20 hours a week, lately been scartching to get 5 [09:45]
Graet mm yer i was more a 5hours amonth type ;) [09:45]
GamerKeys wow [09:45]
GamerKeys i think i would die [09:45]
GamerKeys i think if i get another monitor i could game more [09:46]
GamerKeys but i am using a 37" tv right now [09:46]
GamerKeys so nowhere to mount it [09:46]
GamerKeys MBS how much for that card? [09:47]
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MBS pmed you GamerKeys [09:48]
GamerKeys the 7970 is nice but it was so expensive [09:48]
MBS yeah, with the price, i really dont know if i will go AMD or nvidia for next gaming rig [09:49]
GamerKeys Me neither lol [09:49]
MBS though building it is delayed now because arma III got delayed til Q4 [09:49]
GamerKeys I got the 7970 because i wanted to game at 1080p and the 5830 was no good [09:49]
MBS hopefully ivy bridge E will be out by then [09:49]
MBS wow thats a bit overkill, lol [09:49]
GamerKeys my rig just reached a year and a month [09:49]
GamerKeys well it was either 570/580 or 7970 [09:50]
GamerKeys and since the 7970 absolutely kills the 580 i saw no point [09:50]
MBS right now i have a phenom II dual core at 3.6Ghz with a 5850, lol [09:50]
GamerKeys plus when nv releases i could always sell [09:50]
GamerKeys o [09:50]
GamerKeys wow [09:50]
GamerKeys Ive been using my 5ghz i5 for a year [09:51]
MBS can max out most games at 1920x1200 though, just some newer games/rare intense games i cant [09:51]
MBS hopefully i can get a job (if not i always have credit) for the rig [09:51]
GamerKeys bf3 is a totally differnt game with everything maxed out [09:51]
GamerKeys but bf3 sucks so... [09:51]
GamerKeys cod looks like ass no matter what... [09:52]
MBS right now planning sandy bridge/ivy bridge E w/ 32-64gb ram, right now this one force gt 120gb i have (if intel gets TRIM working on RAID 0, will get a second), then a 7970 or GTX 780 or w/e [09:52]
GamerKeys for gaming? [09:52]
MBS for arma 3 [09:52]
GamerKeys you better be doing some heavy virtualization [09:52]
MBS hopefully it will be able to max it out [09:52]
GamerKeys arma 3? [09:53]
MBS well ram will be for random stuff but [09:53]
MBS actually its unlikely that i will be able to max it out [09:53]
MBS think i saw that they doubled max view distance to 20000m [09:53]
GamerKeys hmmm [09:53]
MBS oh yeah ram is mostly for ramdisk anyway [09:53]
MBS if 32GB, then 24GB ramdisk, 8GB for everything else [09:54]
GamerKeys o [09:54]
GamerKeys no idea but i doubt it iwll be graphically intensive [09:54]
MBS idk, it looks like they will finally be using decent textures [09:55]
GamerKeys id like to see a studio use infinite detail in something [09:55]
MBS arma 2 textures are pretty meh [09:55]
MBS but they have to be, lol [09:56]
mircea_popescu ok i am so fucking sick of all this microsofty-style bs. [09:56]
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mircea_popescu opera does not allow me to download old versions. why the fuck not ? [09:56]
MBS overclocked 5850 cant do over 6000 meters view dsitance [09:56]
mircea_popescu their new versions suck ass. [09:56]
mircea_popescu does anyone have 9.64 nix build anywhere ? [09:56]
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GamerKeys microsofty? [09:57]
GamerKeys lol i like that [09:57]
mircea_popescu it is for fucks sake [09:57]
MBS one thing that might convince me to use nvidia on next rig is that game is using physx [09:57]
mircea_popescu who ever heard of deleting old releases from your site ? [09:57]
GamerKeys i hate physx [09:57]
MBS but i dont know how much gpu it will need or if cpu only physx will be fine [09:57]
GamerKeys physx doesnt need to exist at all [09:58]
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MBS hopefully with physx wont have any more HMMWVs flying 200m into the sky when you try to tow them with a box [09:58]
GamerKeys lol [09:59]
MBS vehicle physics look alot better with it (if a bit overdramatic, though should be tuned since that video was like 8 months ago) [09:59]
GamerKeys what i mean is. gpu acceleration for physics can be done without physx [10:00]
MBS well yeah, just was probably easier for bohemia to use it, since its a small company [10:00]
MBS they are also finally replacing shitty scripting language with JVM [10:00]
MBS though still not sure exactly how that will work but meh [10:00]
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MBS we were driving though a forest, and dude hit a tree and messed up like 2 tires (only had one spare), so he took a box out of humvee, and attached a tow rope to it (humvee had a ton of ammo and etc in it and we werent that far away from where we needed to go) [10:01]
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mircea_popescu finaly i found it [10:02]
mircea_popescu http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?ver=xxx [10:02]
MBS so he dragged humvee a little while with the ammo box, then it just suddenly flew up in air with tow rope pointing straight up, then came down and landed fine [10:02]
mircea_popescu not advertised anywhere [10:02]
MBS tried to tow it again, it flew up into the sky, blew up, and traveled god knows where [10:03]
GamerKeys lol [10:03]
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MBS also hopefully building destruction will be better with physx [10:04]
splatster LOL! "No, Ken...Said...That." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXH-f8tiayo [10:04]
splatster Watch that vid! [10:04]
MBS kinda shitty right now, but works i guess [10:04]
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GamerKeys lol [10:05]
GamerKeys I hope ME2 comes out [10:05]
GamerKeys hopefully this year [10:05]
GamerKeys would be nice [10:05]
midnightmagic copumpkin: I was interested up to this part: "in which sentient algorithms mine the capital markets," and then my eyes glazed over.. :) [10:06]
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copumpkin midnightmagic: gimme a day or two and I'll write you a program that will make you infinite money with no interaction from you. Just pay me $100k up front [10:11]
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GamerKeys Anyone got the Vita? [10:12]
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ahbritto_ Bitstamp.net passes CryptoXChange: http://www.bitcoinwatch.com [10:25]
amiller does everyone still take dwolla [10:29]
amiller is there any way of knowing what sort of bitcoin volume goes through dwolla [10:30]
amiller any individual exchange would be able to announce their part, if they wanted to [10:30]
GamerKeys well, since dwolla is barely used by people [10:31]
GamerKeys think like 90% [10:31]
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amiller dwolla has announced some of their figures like surpassing $1M per day [10:31]
amiller http://www.siliconprairienews.com/2011/07/dwolla-now-processing-1m-per-day-milne-hints-at-what-s-next-video <- a while ago [10:32]
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GamerKeys what do you think? http://902.me/8 [10:34]
GamerKeys should i change the layout? [10:34]
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GamerKeys i am changing the theme. but the layout will be the same [10:36]
amiller so the recent exchange shutdowns like tradehill and paxum were pressured by mastercard and visa [10:36]
amiller that's really interesting because at some point they cited increased regulations, but other people pointed out that there weren't any changes just rumors [10:37]
splatster amiller: whaaaaaa? [10:37]
amiller and it's plausible (to me) that mastercard and visa are just being bullies [10:37]
GamerKeys no idea how [10:37]
GamerKeys paxum could drop th but it wouldnt effect th at all [10:38]
amiller i originally thought dwolla had some interaction with the credit cards but i was corrected, they only are involved in ach [10:38]
GamerKeys yea [10:38]
amiller i know that dwolla is operated by veridian credit union [10:38]
amiller so that's an actual banking institution that can stand on its own [10:38]
GamerKeys well its not actually doing anything on the business side [10:39]
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amiller they're vulnerable to real financial regulations, but perhaps not to the whim of any payments company [10:39]
amiller if mastercard and visa are right that bitcoin is some big risk [10:39]
GamerKeys I use dwolla more to transfer funds around my accounts than i do for anything else [10:39]
amiller then it must also be a risk to dwolla [10:39]
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CallumA Hello World! [10:39]
GamerKeys mastercard and visa only care about the 1% commision they make on almost all payments around the world [10:40]
amiller dwolla seems to be bitcoin's only connection to the mainstream US financial system [10:40]
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amiller i listened to a fairly recent talk of his, specifically one that zooko tweeted, which i really liked - then i went and read his first book and, well... hated the writing, it was awful to read [11:00]
midnightmagic I know right? [11:00]
amiller the talks all around are better than the writing [11:00]
midnightmagic You listened to the econtalk podcast too? [11:00]
mircea_popescu ok, i've just restarted my machine, installed konq and other similar aggitations only to discover it was my friggin firewall. [11:00]
amiller yeah the econtalk podcast is the first one i listened to [11:00]
* mircea_popescu fumes [11:00]
amiller the interviewer was good so that helped a lot [11:00]
midnightmagic I had trouble getting by the constant prompting Taleb was doing. [11:00]
midnightmagic Yeah, he's really nice to listen to, and even when he shamelessly fawns over his guests, or prompts them in a condescending manner to continue their train of thought, he's still kind of a lovable sort of character.. [11:01]
amiller i think anti-fragility is a quality that decentralized systems and centralized systems don't [11:02]
midnightmagic zooko's regular "hey awesome podcast" tweets have gotten me very interested in it. he does a thorough job of his website, which is incredibly important to me (all those cites make me very happy!) [11:02]
amiller anti-fragility meaning: 'gets better with exercise' [11:02]
amiller "welcomes bug reports" is an anti-fragile characteristic [11:03]
midnightmagic like tahoe. [11:04]
midnightmagic and.. very unlike a certain other nearby project which seems to have trouble entertaining bug reports from "unknowns" [11:04]
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amiller tarsnap also begs for bug reports [11:04]
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amiller i don't know what other project you mean but i agree with the point [11:05]
midnightmagic rhymes with snee-glee-tiner [11:05]
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midnightmagic thanks for the pointer to tarsnap, that looks cool! [11:07]
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midnightmagic amiller: Do you mine at all? [11:07]
amiller nope not at all [11:08]
midnightmagic amiller: Well, since you're awake and I'm excited about it: my first batch of icarus along with the jtag-wielding devkit was shipping out either yesterday, or will be today! woo! [11:09]
amiller lol [11:09]
amiller congratulations [11:09]
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midnightmagic thank you thank you [11:09]
amiller i have no idea what 'icarus' is but i'm going to hope that it's a sha2 asic [11:09]
djslim sup [11:09]
midnightmagic icarus is an fpga stripped-down computing device, designed to be a miner. [11:10]
midnightmagic it has good numbers, and I couldn't resist the devkit he sells with them. [11:10]
djslim paypal -> 9.13BTC [11:10]
djslim can anyone he,o [11:11]
midnightmagic ;;ident djslim [11:11]
gribble Nick 'djslim', with hostmask 'djslim!~m@2602:306:ce62:df20:df2:d3a1:8057:ca38', is not identified. [11:11]
djslim help [11:11]
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djslim ;;ident djslim [11:11]
djslim ;;guide [11:12]
midnightmagic amiller: And per-watt, higher computing power than that mystery-card from butterfly labs [11:12]
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amiller i wish the proof of work system was replaced with something that used portions of the blockchain in ram [11:12]
amiller since copies of historical blockchain data are the thing that scales poorly [11:12]
midnightmagic it would be replacing one resource for another. :( [11:12]
amiller that's what should directly be increased [11:13]
midnightmagic oh, I see.. hrm. [11:13]
amiller it's not just replacing one resource for another - switching to merely a 'memory bound' hash function like scrypt (incidentally also made by colin percival, guy behind tarsnap) would just be swapping one resource for the other [11:13]
midnightmagic that's what I'd thought you meant until you clarified in the next line. [11:14]
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amiller but the idea is, randomly accessible yet redundant copies of the blockchain data are the real bottleneck when it comes to being an 'honest' miner [11:14]
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amiller right now you can farm out the hash function to pool miners, but only the miner operator is expected to query the blockchain for double spends [11:15]
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midnightmagic so what's the win by forcing the miners to carry around chunks of the blockchain? [11:15]
amiller it's a little bit like the 'proof of redundancy' in this paper with ron rivest http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/214.pdf [11:16]
amiller where you want to check that your cloud storage provider isn't being a cheapskate and storing fewer redundant copies than you expect [11:16]
midnightmagic ha ha.. using timing techniques! [11:17]
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amiller the more redundant randomly-accessible copies of the blockchain there are, the more 'plausible' it is that a lot of people are double checking the miners work [11:18]
amiller suppose only 20% of the miners are malicious, but 40% of the miners don't thoroughly check for double spends and let a small number of double-spends from the 20% through [11:18]
amiller the size of the block chain and the difficulty involved in storing a complete 'double spend database' index are the things that give bitcoin scaling troubles [11:19]
amiller so if the proof of work could be tied to those, i think it would be an improvement some how (i don't quite know how to describe the benefit though, so maybe i'm wrong) [11:20]
midnightmagic so you sort-of incentivize checking for these because the most efficient miner is the one that can ignore the illegal spends? [11:20]
amiller yes that's exactly the way i'd put it [11:20]
amiller most mining pool participants don't bother to check, for example [11:21]
midnightmagic interesting. incentivizing things has taken on a whole new meaning for me this past year, watching how people operate with bitcoin and especially the endless gyrations of the pools.. [11:21]
amiller i've tried to think of what sort of proof of work system could do that, i thought of just two ideas and they're both pretty clearly flawed [11:22]
midnightmagic I have been very sad to learn that p2pool growth has evened out. [11:22]
amiller so i'm not at all sure it's possible [11:22]
midnightmagic you could use a hash mapping function that looks into the past and force that into the transaction merkle tree somehow [11:22]
amiller but the ideas involved requiring miners to compute hashes on random permutations/subsets of the blockchain [11:23]
amiller yeah that's roughly the idea [11:23]
midnightmagic p2pool does a sneaky thing with the transactions to tie the sharechain to the main bitcoin blockchain. [11:23]
amiller so the two variants i thought of are [11:23]
amiller a. miners get to choose which random paths/permutations/subsets of the blockchain to use [11:24]
amiller first person to find a random subset of 40 blockchain transactions that produce a partial hash collision wins [11:24]
midnightmagic i would be worried that miners could just pick the same ones and somehow end up precomputing a portion. [11:24]
amiller the problem with this one is that it would be more efficient to just keep the last handful of transactions in memory and just keep picking those [11:24]
amiller right [11:24]
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amiller if you can solve the puzzle with only a handful of transactions and recomputing on them, then there's no incentive to keep the whole thing [11:25]
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amiller so b. the path through the blockchain is set based on the previous block [11:25]
midnightmagic i guess if you're talking about fixed-length, small chunks (like a few bytes wide) here and there you could make the chain like 40 links and avoid rainbow tables. [11:25]
amiller like you take the hash of the previous block, and use that as a random seed to a deterministic pseudorandom function that produces a subset you have to include [11:26]
midnightmagic still doesn't feel random enough. [11:26]
amiller the problem with that is there's no incentive for having more and more copies [11:26]
amiller if you double your number of blockchain copies on SSDs, you should double your odds of winning the block [11:26]
midnightmagic you would have to tie the speed of the disk accesses to the effectiveness of the algorithm, which I guess is why you pointed me at the pdf. [11:27]
amiller right [11:27]
midnightmagic that feels like a hard problem to solve. [11:27]
midnightmagic .. since you'd have to prove speed *in the past*.. [11:28]
amiller well it's not about disk necessarily so much as [11:28]
amiller well [11:28]
amiller okay so what the miners do isn't read blockchain data from disk [11:28]
midnightmagic or.. I guess just make sure the next upcoming block is timely.. [11:28]
amiller but query a 'double spend' database [11:28]
amiller you take each txinput, and what you want to see is if it's already been spent [11:29]
midnightmagic have difficulty retarget with the ease of past blockchain traversal [11:29]
amiller it's not enough just to keep the data on a disk, you need to build and maintain that search index [11:29]
amiller oh i see what you're saying [11:29]
midnightmagic that would scale up with algorithm improvements, and hrm.. drive improvements or memory capacity increases. [11:30]
amiller yeah so those are all qualities of the current bitcoin proof of work scheme that hopefully would be preserved [11:30]
midnightmagic the most-efficient fpga would shift to one that has better memory access or more onboard ram. [11:30]
amiller that's right [11:30]
amiller SSDs would be the commodity tool of choice [11:30]
amiller instead of used radeon gpus [11:30]
midnightmagic supercomputers would rule over us as horrible taskmasters :) [11:31]
amiller only supercomputers filled with copies of the blockchain [11:31]
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midnightmagic powerful switched backplanes, driven by high-speed fpga .. [11:31]
midnightmagic lol true enough [11:31]
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amiller there would be secondary incentives to keep backups of blockchain data on disk too [11:32]
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amiller if it's all in ram [11:32]
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midnightmagic those crazy non-deterministic algorithms would arrive. [11:32]
amiller and your power goes out (obviously because all your new SSDs blow out the grid powerbox) [11:32]
amiller then you're dead in the water until you get a new copy of the blockchain [11:32]
midnightmagic ha ha [11:32]
midnightmagic Violin's stock would shoot through the roof. [11:33]
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amiller i think this would turn bitcoin into mojonation [11:34]
midnightmagic ha ha awesome. [11:34]
NASDAQEnema i know how to end the gpu vs cpu war [11:34]
amiller not gpu vs cpu, gpu vs ssd [11:35]
midnightmagic especially when people like dakaminsky are stuffing data into the blockchain already and crowing that we all have to carry it around forever now. [11:35]
NASDAQEnema well hear me out [11:35]
midnightmagic honestly, I think we can just prune those txn right now. we all know he'll never spend them. [11:35]
amiller that's exactly what i've had in mind while thinking about this [11:35]
NASDAQEnema if you could mine half a solution and then produce block solves by combining halves [11:36]
amiller ascii bernanke haunts my dreams, i'm not kidding [11:36]
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amiller i should try to condense this conversation and ask warner about it [11:36]
Graet how much of a difference does that make compared to deepbit being 27% of txns on the network - thier payouts - coz they dont use sendmany... [11:37]
NASDAQEnema 3 cpus, 3 hashes 4 cpus 6 hashes, 5 cpus 10 hashes, 6 cpus 15 hashes [11:37]
midnightmagic amiller: I thought it was a cute tribute until I saw the 28C3 presentation and how obnoxious kaminsky was being about it. :-( [11:37]
NASDAQEnema amiller geometric increase in hashing power with linear increase in power usage [11:37]
NASDAQEnema each miner produces half solves [11:38]
NASDAQEnema then combines halves for the final [11:38]
amiller midnightmagic, well i think he made a really valuable point with that in the presentation [11:39]
amiller the need to keep track of every little bit of history is the part of bitcoin that doesn't scale [11:39]
mircea_popescu anyone selling btc btw ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu or mtgoxusd [11:39]
amiller the .0002 btc coin that's ten decades old and you just know it's not going to get spent so why cart it along forever [11:39]
mircea_popescu how do you know that ? [11:39]
NASDAQEnema because .0002 is going to be worth a lot when there's millions of users [11:40]
amiller yeah [11:40]
amiller every bitcoin is important, no matter how small [11:40]
mircea_popescu besides, people tend to hoard [11:40]
amiller if it was accepted into a block, it's there forever [11:40]
amiller but that's the part that doesn't scale [11:41]
mircea_popescu i can identify > 1btc in tiny fractions in my acct older than 6 months [11:41]
NASDAQEnema amiller what if we have address settlement [11:41]
amiller so why not tie the proof-of-work scheme to a problem that improves the 'plausibility' that everyone is able to double check [11:41]
midnightmagic amiller: True enough.. but it's a point all the btc goons are already aware of, and that even Satoshi tried to design a correction for.. It occurs to me that the fact that new supply rate is halving into nothing might define an upper-limit asymptote that works in our favour. [11:41]
midnightmagic amiller: Wait, you know warner? [11:41]
lordcyfer I sell VPN access acount 3BTC / 4 months [11:41]
lordcyfer 0.5 BTC 2 weeks [11:42]
lordcyfer pm me [11:42]
NASDAQEnema what vpn [11:42]
amiller well i only know him through irc and a couple video presentations [11:42]
amiller i've asked him a couple questions before and gotten great answers... and i don't think i've quite worn out my welcome yet [11:43]
midnightmagic amiller: I try my best to conserve how many times I pester them with questions. Occasionally I get decoder commenting, but I lurk in there just to catch table scraps.. mmm.. valuable valuable table scraps.. [11:45]
amiller hehe yeah that's about where i'm at. [11:45]
NASDAQEnema amiller would a half solve algorithm be possible [11:48]
NASDAQEnema that way 4 halves = 6 hashes by combining [11:48]
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amiller NASDAQEnema, you say the advantage is a geometric increase in hash power with linear increase in power usage [11:48]
NASDAQEnema yes [11:49]
amiller but there's no value in increasing the hash power for its own sake [11:49]
amiller all that matters is the cost of power [11:49]
NASDAQEnema it would allow cpu users to participate more [11:49]
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amiller hm, i guess i see your point [11:50]
NASDAQEnema right now there's the useless market cap at the exchanges [11:50]
amiller is allowing cpu users to participate more a good thing? [11:50]
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amiller cpu users would include botnets [11:50]
NASDAQEnema and the business market cap which is much smaller [11:50]
amiller if there's some resource X such that "only honest people have X" then tilting the proof of work scheme towards X would be an improvement [11:51]
mircea_popescu i dont tyhink such a resource can in principle exist [11:52]
mircea_popescu i imagine chasing for it is bound to introduce weakness [11:52]
NASDAQEnema the difficulty could be related to sqrt of (hash power * network complexity) [11:52]
amiller network complexity? [11:52]
NASDAQEnema 6 cpus = 15 hashes [11:52]
amiller hmm [11:52]
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NASDAQEnema if ppl are exchanging half solves [11:52]
NASDAQEnema that way when botnet goes up difficulty goes up [11:53]
NASDAQEnema even if hashrate doesn't jump [11:53]
NASDAQEnema much [11:54]
amiller if you keep going from half solutions to quarter solutions and so on, what changes [11:55]
amiller do you approach something like a memory bound 'scrypt'? [11:55]
NASDAQEnema well say you have four cpus [11:56]
NASDAQEnema no 6 [11:57]
NASDAQEnema and you have quarter solutions [11:57]
NASDAQEnema the number of solved blocks explodes [11:58]
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NASDAQEnema you could even have multiple difficulties based on local conditions cube root of (hash rate * complexity * number of partials) [12:00]
NASDAQEnema explain scrypt compared to standard [12:01]
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amiller scrypt's bottleneck is random access memory used as scratch space [12:05]
amiller litecoin uses scrypt https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Litecoin [12:05]
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amiller so i had a blast last year reading the David Graeber book on debt and weird civilizations with pre-money economic systems (none of which included barter, which is apparently a myth) [12:07]
amiller anyway one of the most interesting stories was about the Potlatch, a tradition of pacific northwest tribes that when they got access to surplus goods from the colonizers and ended up burning all sorts of ships and stuff [12:10]
amiller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potlatch [12:10]
amiller it's unusual because it involves ceremonial (and competitive) destruction of property, they would literally burn useful goods like it was a sacrifice [12:12]
amiller anyway i wonder if it's analogous to the proof-of-work [12:12]
mircea_popescu ha! [12:12]
mircea_popescu cool ideea [12:12]
NASDAQEnema I've got dibs on latchcoins [12:13]
amiller @ADRjeffries Did you get word back from Dwolla if they're aware of paxum dropping bitcoin (citing bank pressure) & if they feel the same? [12:13]
amiller @socrates1024 Nope. [12:13]
amiller well, that's all the research effort i could afford [12:14]
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NASDAQEnema i don't care okpay takes bitcoin deposits [12:17]
NASDAQEnema :) [12:17]
mircea_popescu ;;ident spawn- [12:17]
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paulzag brendio_, any bites on your WBX offers? [12:29]
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lordcyfer If someone need VPN service you can pay it in BTC with b-anonym.net contact me [12:35]
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brendio_ paulzag, not yet. [12:40]
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paulzag ;;ping [12:45]
paulzag I was tempted to make a similar offer [12:45]
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brendio_ How much would you pay in the dollar? [12:45]
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brendio_ I think they've revealed enough data to make it more difficult for them to run off with our money, but with banks who knows how long it will take to sort out. If there is a bit of profit in taking on more of their debt, it will give a greater incentive to chase them if they do a runner too. :) [12:47]
paulzag i think 25% is a good deal for you, me? I'm greedy and would probably only offer 10% [12:48]
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paulzag I think so... have you got much tied up in there? or did you get out? [12:48]
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paulzag I've got a bit still stuck [12:49]
brendio_ I've got a bit over $1000. I had 50 BTC there too, but I got them out and then checked that you can still withdraw to vouchers [12:49]
brendio_ hence my offer [12:49]
paulzag sadly I think Andre got swamped beyond his competence [12:50]
brendio_ Or not realising how easily banks can freeze your acocunts [12:51]
brendio_ I had mine frozen and had to deal with the security people of the bank and answer various questions to get it unfrozen. [12:52]
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paulzag I had over 230 BTC there at the freeze [12:52]
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brendio_ WBX was a good place to sell because the prices were generally a bit higher than Gox, so there was a nice arbitrage for wiring to Gox, buying BTC, selling on WBX and then withdrawing. [12:54]
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spawn- im selling 50btc for LRUSD anyone? [12:55]
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brendio_ With WBX and Tradehill out of action, there aren't many places left to trade BTC to AUD bank transfer. [12:56]
Graet hmm [12:57]
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Graet missed wbx issues [12:57]
Graet will have to find out later :/ [12:57]
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brendio_ There bank accounts are frozen and trading has been halted [12:57]
Graet hmm ok [12:58]
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Ukto brendio_: really? [12:58]
Ukto you can always use weex, even tho its still in beta. [12:59]
Ukto there is aud bank transfers there [12:59]
brendio_ Yeah, and bitpiggy too, but it's fixed price. [12:59]
Ukto whats fixed price? [12:59]
brendio_ How much liquidity is there on weex? [12:59]
Ukto not much at all [13:00]
Ukto almost nill [13:00]
brendio_ Also haven't used cryptoexchange either [13:00]
brendio_ not sure how much they have [13:00]
paulzag I've offered Andre a helping hand, but so far he hasn't replied with enough info to show he's interested in the help [13:00]
Ukto weex has been waiting fora big push in about a week or two [13:00]
Ukto with new options trading, and interac for cad [13:00]
Ukto spent a lot of time in beta trying to find the obvious bugs :) [13:00]
paulzag crypto liquidity is very thin - but sometimes it's not bad [13:01]
Graet with all the exchanges falling over lately maybe we should bring forward the launch :D [13:01]
Ukto hehe [13:01]
Graet gtg out now [13:01]
Graet l8rs [13:01]
mircea_popescu ukto, you the guy behind weex ? [13:01]
Ukto Graet: well, its g2g with aud atm [13:01]
Ukto mircea_popescu: yeah [13:01]
Ukto and Graet as well [13:01]
mircea_popescu a cool. so options coming next week ? [13:01]
Ukto trying [13:01]
Ukto real hard [13:01]
mircea_popescu im curious how much our prices diverge :) [13:02]
Ukto though, its not options as you do it [13:02]
mircea_popescu o, you do $$$ settlement ? [13:02]
Ukto with us, we do hold numbers of btc, and if you post 10 btc for say 4 weeks, you can decide to make it breakable or not [13:02]
Ukto so someone else can browser, and choose to only take 4btc at your price [13:03]
mircea_popescu so you doing a sort of fractionable contracts [13:03]
Ukto fractional is supported [13:03]
Ukto you can require in whole [13:03]
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paulzag the hassle for AUD trading is EFT, that's where the risk to the exchange lies [13:03]
mircea_popescu so wait, these are going to be exchange traded ? who's marketmaking ? [13:03]
Ukto a bit after we start, we will add the option to let ppl sub-sell their options [13:04]
Ukto its not an auto exchange [13:04]
Ukto its a post/purchase system [13:04]
mircea_popescu well, not gonna take more of your time now on theories hehe. go code, i'll give it a look when done :) [13:04]
Ukto :) [13:04]
Ukto we are not doing hard dates like first of the month, week etc [13:05]
mircea_popescu and if anyone hasn't seen it, one of the rare itnelligent posts on bitcointalk : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66610.0 [13:05]
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mircea_popescu which reminds me we still need a good stocks (+bonds) trading exchange. [13:05]
Ukto when you write an option, you choose X (predfined list) days from that time [13:05]
mircea_popescu any particular reason to do it like that ukto ? [13:05]
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Ukto people want to set their own times [13:05]
mircea_popescu seems almost like you're trying to implement options otc. [13:05]
Ukto instead of having everything trigger at once [13:06]
Ukto yeah [13:06]
Ukto its very otc [13:06]
mircea_popescu you might have problems with eval'ing them, but we see [13:06]
Ukto well, thats not my decision to eval them [13:06]
Ukto thats the writters/buyers [13:06]
mircea_popescu yah, true, true. [13:06]
Ukto in this case [13:06]
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Ukto ppl will start writing/buying options on a per btc basis [13:07]
Ukto and charge what they want per btc for the fee [13:07]
Ukto say 15c or even 30c [13:07]
Ukto who knows [13:07]
brendio_ like bit option was? [13:07]
mircea_popescu what if random scammer goes there sells naked calls takes money and runs ? [13:07]
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Ukto brendio_: never saw it [13:07]
Ukto cant [13:07]
Ukto our system works on reserves [13:07]
Ukto since its also a trading engine [13:07]
Ukto you cant sell what you dont have [13:07]
mircea_popescu brendio_ got a crash an burn descroption of bitoption anywhere ? [13:07]
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Ukto you write an option to sell 10 btc, and that 10btc goes into reserve mode [13:07]
Ukto until * [13:07]
brendio_ It was good while it lasted but went down when gox was hacked [13:07]
mircea_popescu but ukto... nobody has them to begin with. a a a i see. [13:07]
Ukto :) [13:08]
Ukto since we carry aud,usd,cad [13:08]
brendio_ it was fulling covered. [13:08]
Ukto and btc [13:08]
Ukto it makes it easy [13:08]
mircea_popescu ya but where brendio_ ? [13:08]
brendio_ i.e. if you write a put option, you need the amount of usd to cover it and that is frozen in your account until expiry [13:09]
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Ukto mircea_popescu: when i thought about options, everyone kept tell me that "i havent looked int options, soudns like a pain to understand" [13:09]
Ukto so i made a system that visually works for anyone just starting [13:09]
mircea_popescu yeah... [13:09]
Ukto and makes quick simple sense [13:09]
mircea_popescu thing with options is, they're like driving was 50 yeara ago [13:09]
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mircea_popescu not being able to do = disabling. [13:09]
paulzag the problem with reserves as you describe them is they are more futures than options [13:10]
mircea_popescu he is doing a futures-ish thingfrom what i gather paulzag, but there is some demand for that [13:10]
Ukto yeah [13:10]
mircea_popescu and i don't plan to offer it, so it actually works out very nice. [13:10]
Ukto its not perfect [13:10]
Ukto but its a start [13:10]
Ukto i mean [13:10]
paulzag futures are good if you can deal with the counter-party risk [13:10]
Ukto every day people say "i wish i could bet a small amount that price will go up by $2 in the next week" and this is an easy cheap way to make the bet :P [13:11]
mircea_popescu well he says he enforces reserves so should be ok in principle. [13:11]
paulzag then again, reserves allow for a covered option, rather than a naked option [13:11]
mircea_popescu if you don;'t sell naked should be ok [13:11]
mircea_popescu yea. [13:11]
Ukto mircea_popescu: btw, we were never trying to compete with you or anything [13:11]
Ukto just trying to make our own thing [13:11]
mircea_popescu you know, it'd be sad if nobody was trying to compete with anybody. [13:12]
Ukto hehe [13:12]
paulzag an naked options are evil derivatives [13:12]
mircea_popescu well paulzag, they have their use, [13:12]
Ukto yeah, we dont want to get into that can put us in harms way [13:12]
mircea_popescu but i don;'t think here and now. [13:12]
Ukto all of our stuff (for now) will remain user<->user based deals [13:12]
Ukto and besides, not alot of ppl are comfy with naked, and they want to actually draw real money out [13:13]
paulzag naked options have a great theoretical use, but like naked shorts are abused too often to be worth the risk they create in a system [13:13]
Ukto like cad and aud users, interact & eft respectively [13:13]
Ukto and I suppose our usd/ach as well [13:13]
paulzag ah EFT rears it's ugly head. But I'm in that crowd as well, if I ran an exchange I'd offer EFT [13:14]
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mircea_popescu miners might get away with a small ammt of naked calls. [13:14]
Ukto most ppl want real methods to get money to their bank acconts [13:15]
Ukto ppl complain every day about the cost of wires from gox [13:15]
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Ukto etc [13:15]
mircea_popescu that may be your main problem in the weeks to come ukto, seems most of the smaller exchanges got knocked out [13:15]
Ukto thats a good thing for us :) [13:16]
mircea_popescu where are you based btw ? australia ? [13:16]
Ukto we have corps in aus, cad and usa [13:16]
mircea_popescu a cool [13:16]
Ukto working on a 4th atm for some special backups for that "just in case" situation ;) [13:16]
Ukto if we are lucky, we will get debit cards out of the deal [13:17]
Ukto but thats not a promise :) [13:17]
mircea_popescu debit cards would bringa lot of people in. [13:17]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin Syndicate << anyone know who this belongs to ? [13:17]
Ukto if I _really_ wanted to, I could offering debit cards within 2 months for about a 50k cost [13:18]
Ukto but it has a few risks with it [13:18]
Ukto that I want to wait and see how things go first [13:18]
Ukto not many ppl wanna pay a $50 setup fee for a debit card :P [13:18]
Ukto then again, i think paxum charged $25 heh [13:19]
Chaang-Noi problem with bitcoin as an everyday currancy is that it is not yet stable [13:19]
Ukto Chaang-Noi: problem is that bitcoin is _not_ a currency. it is a commodity. :) [13:19]
paulzag getting EFT from the Exchange is not dangerous... letting clients eft TO the exchange is where the danger lies - too tempting for scammers to empty bank accounts . Or embezzling employees [13:19]
Chaang-Noi gold used to be money [13:19]
Ukto paulzag: only to an extent [13:20]
Ukto all of our users must identify [13:20]
mircea_popescu chaang-noi that's what we're working on, [13:20]
Ukto eft option requires an additional bank document [13:20]
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mircea_popescu the reason it's not stable is that the financial stabilizers that fiat currencies have aren't in place here. [13:20]
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Chaang-Noi yeah if we cant get a gold standard lets get a btc standard [13:20]
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Chaang-Noi btc is way to small of a market to be stable [13:21]
mircea_popescu size doesn't have much to do with stability. [13:21]
Chaang-Noi btc if the UN wanted could make btc 100,000,000 each by tomorrow morning [13:21]
mircea_popescu ... [13:21]
Chaang-Noi some almost normal guy would move the price up $1 at will [13:22]
mircea_popescu how's the un going to impact btc price ? [13:22]
Chaang-Noi a few 100K at most [13:22]
Chaang-Noi im not saying they will, im saying they could [13:22]
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paulzag what makes you think the UN could coordinate something like tht Chaang-Noi ? [13:23]
Chaang-Noi UN and its member nations... all over night saying fuck fiat we use BTC [13:23]
paulzag it wouldn't take a lot of capital to move the market price of BTC in the short run [13:23]
Chaang-Noi no, its not going to happen, but it could happen [13:24]
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paulzag ;;seen jaypetermm [13:32]
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paulzag ;;seen beepo [13:38]
gribble beepo was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 3 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: So that's almost free [13:38]
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mircea_popescu ,,bc,calc 6000000000 [13:44]
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Mqrius mtgox bitcoin deposit is still after 6 confirmations, right? Or is it less? [13:56]
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mcorlett ;;seen graingert [13:59]
gribble graingert was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 23 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: to show it was him or at least one of the theivs [13:59]
mircea_popescu 6 yea [14:00]
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extor sturles, when people used to use mtgox as an LR exchange wasn't mtgox making money? [14:05]
paulzag you'd think so [14:06]
extor why stop then I wonder [14:06]
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da2ce7 hello paulzag [14:07]
da2ce7 :) [14:07]
da2ce7 how have you been? [14:07]
paulzag2 probably the risk management wasn't worth it. Too many anonymous currencies make you a haven for money launderers ... if you have too many dodgey clients AML makes it hard to keep your banking relationships [14:08]
paulzag2 I've been well da2ce7 [14:08]
paulzag2 just frustrating 2 weeks [14:08]
da2ce7 hmm yeah. [14:08]
paulzag2 how you been [14:08]
da2ce7 fucking run of my feet... been moving house. [14:09]
paulzag2 cool [14:09]
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da2ce7 hmm... [14:13]
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da2ce7 paulzag: what have you been up2 paulzag? [14:13]
paulzag stupid US banks, stupid Paypal, stupid Amazon, stupid paulzag, stupid WBX [14:15]
paulzag my USA bank accounts are going too slowly for my liking, considering a flight to LA or Nevada [14:15]
paulzag got too much money in Money Paks, Amazon payments and paypal [14:16]
paulzag got too much money tied up in WBX's freeze [14:16]
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paulzag got not enough money in MY bank accounts [14:16]
da2ce7 fuck... [14:16]
dajpt can anyone help me with a britcoin transfer? [14:16]
da2ce7 bitcoin is good... otc transactions are great. [14:16]
sturles extor: Not on the LR exchange part, no. And LR exchange is't what MtGox wanted to be. [14:16]
da2ce7 bpay and cash deposit is the best transfer in AUS. [14:17]
mircea_popescu Secure connection: fatal error (112) from server. [14:17]
mircea_popescu https://bitcoin.it/ [14:17]
mircea_popescu Transmission failure. [14:17]
mircea_popescu anyone else get that ? [14:17]
vragnaroda [00:40] <+ spawn-> | vrag and nano remove it already :) [14:18]
vragnaroda spawn-: That's not an endorsement. [14:18]
paulzag ;;ticker [14:18]
gribble Best bid: 4.93399, Best ask: 4.934, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000000005e-05, Last trade: 4.934, 24 hour volume: 39375, 24 hour low: 4.88, 24 hour high: 5 [14:18]
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paulzag off to call citibank [14:23]
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paulzag citbank not open yet :( [14:27]
paulzag india lied to me [14:27]
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Bigpiggy01Mining ;;action humps india with a rotten turnip [14:34]
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rawrmage coi Staatsfeind [14:44]
Staatsfeind 你好， rawrmage。 [14:45]
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Staatsfeind rawrmage: That means ‘hello.’ [14:50]
rawrmage that would make sense from context, yes [14:51]
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Seventoes I cleaned up MtGox's API docs a bit: //en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API [15:23]
Seventoes no more monolithic page [15:23]
Seventoes oops [15:23]
Seventoes https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API [15:23]
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davro j [15:34]
Staatsfeind k [15:34]
Seventoes l [15:34]
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davro29 hi [15:41]
Staatsfeind 안녕하세요. [15:42]
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mcorlett MBS: There? [15:44]
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imsaguy2 nice job Seventoes [16:01]
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Seventoes thanks imsaguy2 :D [16:07]
Seventoes long overdue imo [16:07]
Seventoes i've been adding a bunch of info i've been extracting from MagicalTux over time while writing my app to the streaming API page too [16:08]
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imsaguy2 Documention isn't their strongpoitn [16:11]
imsaguy2 *point [16:12]
Seventoes nope :P [16:12]
Seventoes apparently the websocket has a private channel per-account [16:12]
Seventoes used for account-related updates like new orders and stuff [16:12]
Seventoes just got that working today [16:12]
Seventoes but there's no list of the types of updates that can come through so i'm just tinkering with my account and watching the results >.< [16:13]
reeses have you seen any actual account-specific updates? [16:13]
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Seventoes yeah, i get a user_order when I place a new order [16:14]
Seventoes that's all so far, working on some groundwork before I poke more [16:14]
Seventoes you can also send version 1 HTTP requests through the websocket [16:15]
Seventoes that's probably the coolest thing I figured out :P [16:15]
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jcpham hi [16:26]
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GlooBoy buying 20-80 LR @ 3% ,gox,btc [16:42]
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errydayimgenerat ;;voiceme [16:51]
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errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wells fargo wire [16:52]
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lordcyfer I sell VPN access acount 3BTC / 4 months [16:54]
lordcyfer 0.5 BTC 2 weeks [16:54]
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lordcyfer pm me [16:55]
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errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wells fargo wire 1.2 mtgox usd to 1 usd in yyyour favor [16:58]
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jcpham i'm about to mainline some coffee on this webcam [17:05]
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jcpham if anyone wants to watch [17:05]
errydayimgenerat ehhhhhhhhhhh [17:07]
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rawrmage jcpham: lol [17:10]
jcpham i didn't make it, sorry [17:10]
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sgornick Wow, silver at $36.20. Up nearly 2% in under two hours. [17:21]
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rawrmage netsplat [17:23]
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helo and they say bitcoin is volatile! [17:25]
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Blitzboom sgornick: clearly it’s the vanishing weekend effect [17:26]
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Blitzboom bitcoin is not volatile, it’s the USD :D [17:27]
helo heh [17:27]
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jcpham yay for silver rallies [17:29]
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sgornick Blitzboom: Speaking of the weekend dip pattern (for bitcoin) ... poof, and its gone. [17:34]
Blitzboom is it? i haven’t tracked it [17:34]
Blitzboom i think the weekend dip is a mystery. i would rather rely on actual analysis [17:35]
Blitzboom but your post about it was good [17:35]
Blitzboom well, subconciously i do still believe in it [17:35]
Blitzboom call it the bitcoiner’s superstition [17:35]
Blitzboom i have simply been around for too long [17:36]
NASDAQEnema weekend dip is ppl tired of the drama [17:36]
NASDAQEnema so they exit [17:36]
NASDAQEnema what it really should be is [17:36]
NASDAQEnema weekend HOLD [17:36]
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Blitzboom no, weekend buy [17:37]
Seventoes no, weekend sell [17:37]
NASDAQEnema honestly buy / sell should be in sync with other economic activity [17:37]
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NASDAQEnema like shit a bunch of popular companies did something stupid buy more btcs for safety [17:38]
ineededausername Blitzboom: you're here again :D [17:38]
ineededausername i think it's coming soon [17:38]
ineededausername the big spike, i mean [17:38]
Blitzboom i often am [17:38]
NASDAQEnema when Dow goes Down BTC should go up [17:38]
ineededausername Blitzboom: damn, it's happening already [17:39]
ineededausername lol [17:39]
sgornick NASDAQEnema: That's the deal. Bitcoin is 24/7 trading. Nothing else is. Even forex (well, most of forex) is closed Friday p.m. (NYC) until Monday a.m. (Japan). [17:39]
Blitzboom >buy / sell should be in sync with other economic activity [17:39]
Blitzboom HAHAHA [17:39]
Staatsfeind When the stars align, … [17:39]
Blitzboom ineededausername: huh? i see nothing [17:39]
ineededausername large askwalls 20k@5 dropping quickly 4.9 now [17:39]
Blitzboom oh,i guess pirate is at it again [17:40]
ineededausername damn :( [17:40]
Blitzboom manipulator’s gonna be manipulating [17:40]
ineededausername lol [17:40]
ineededausername pirate definitely has plenty of coins [17:40]
Blitzboom fall for it and give him your bitcoins [17:40]
ineededausername i wouldn't be surprised if he were a smaller manipulator [17:40]
Blitzboom i see you didn’t read his posts [17:40]
ineededausername huh [17:41]
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ineededausername wait did he announce he was the manipulator, and prove it [17:41]
Blitzboom although it may be someone else, dunn [17:41]
Blitzboom pretty much [17:41]
BTCHero im sure there are more than one [17:41]
Staatsfeind Despite all the folklore about The Manipulator, there's more than one. [17:41]
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BTCHero but pirate is high on the suspect list [17:41]
Staatsfeind He's probably one of about 10e [17:42]
BTCHero sometimes you can see them battle [17:42]
* pirateat40 ears are burning. [17:42]
Staatsfeind *10. [17:42]
helo no sane person buys bitcoin for safety [17:42]
* Staatsfeind gives pirateat40 some ointment for his ears. [17:42]
BTCHero someone puts up a giant wall then someone sells into it hard. Can't be one guy [17:43]
BTCHero unless [17:43]
* pirateat40 feels much better and goes back to drinking coffee [17:43]
BTCHero its magicaltux :) [17:43]
Staatsfeind BTCHero: Well, it could be a really stupid guy. :þ [17:43]
jcpham 2 cheers for coffee [17:43]
helo HUZZAH! [17:43]
BTCHero Staatsfeind really stupid guys don't have that kind of cash [17:43]
ineededausername pirate, tear down that wall! [17:44]
Greed Ear infection or just warm, pirateat40? [17:44]
Blitzboom ineededausername: they are likely his :P [17:44]
ineededausername yeah definitely [17:44]
jcpham look at al the speculators [17:44]
jcpham come out to play [17:44]
Staatsfeind BTCHero: Uh, yes, they do. Any stupider, and they'd be electable. [17:44]
BTCHero he tears down walls on the other side [17:44]
ineededausername lol [17:44]
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jcpham tuesday are let's bet on shit day in -otc [17:45]
jcpham i thin kthe "the help" will win an oscar [17:45]
ineededausername pirateat40: is this a bad time to request withdrawals [17:45]
pirateat40 never [17:45]
ineededausername lol, k [17:45]
arij k [17:45]
arij is this the right place to seeif any ones wants to buy some bitcoins for paypal [17:46]
helo did he give a rationale for why he manipulates? i.e. for profit, for bitcoin stability, etc? [17:46]
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helo the early miners i'm sure have enough coin to at least prevent bubbles until bitcoin distribution is wide enough [17:47]
Staatsfeind arij: Buying bitcoins for PayPal with no history will be hard. [17:47]
arij well im selling [17:48]
arij and i will send first [17:48]
arij its just 4 bitcoins [17:48]
sgornick arij: Are you auth'd w/ -otc Web of Trust? [17:48]
Blitzboom helo: well, bubbles happen because people do not sell [17:48]
arij i do not belive so [17:49]
imsaguy2 If I were truly worried about the decline of the dollar, I'd buy shit that matters.. like canned food, bottled water, supplies I need to live. [17:49]
helo Blitzboom: so if early miners have tons of coin they're sitting on, they can sell to prevent a bubble, right? [17:49]
imsaguy2 they wouldn't want to prevent the bubble [17:49]
imsaguy2 they'd want to capitalize on it [17:50]
Blitzboom the early miners aren’t as important anymore [17:50]
Blitzboom due to bitcoin inflation [17:50]
arij sgornick did u want me to message u i got a msg from you [17:50]
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phedny_ Blitzboom: bitcoin inflation? [17:50]
Blitzboom yes, the supply is expanding [17:50]
Staatsfeind phedny_: Increase in the money supply. [17:50]
imsaguy2 ;;calc 50*24*6 [17:51]
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sgornick arij: Yes, PM. [17:51]
imsaguy2 7200 new btc everday [17:51]
NASDAQEnema imsaguy: If I were truly worried about my car being broke , I would buy guns and butter - makes no sense [17:51]
phedny_ ah, so you mean the decreasing share they have in the total BTC supply [17:51]
imsaguy2 yes it does [17:51]
Staatsfeind ;;calc [bc,blocks]*50 [17:51]
gribble 8444850 [17:51]
Bigpiggy01Mining ;;tell arij [guide] [17:51]
imsaguy2 you don't use your card to buy butter [17:51]
imsaguy2 dollars buy supplies :) [17:51]
NASDAQEnema OKPAY takes bitcoins [17:52]
imsaguy2 car* [17:52]
NASDAQEnema OKPAY provides debit card [17:52]
NASDAQEnema problem solved [17:52]
imsaguy2 no it doesn't solve shit [17:52]
Staatsfeind That is the worst analogy ever. [17:52]
imsaguy2 debit card converts to USD [17:52]
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NASDAQEnema or EUR [17:52]
imsaguy2 back at square one [17:52]
imsaguy2 if you are worried about fiat, you can't convert back to it from your alternative [17:53]
imsaguy2 lol [17:53]
* gribble gives voice to Bigpiggy01Mining [17:53]
helo imsaguy2: if they have 500K coin, using 50K coin to nip a sudden rise (say at $5.20, pushing back to $5) would allow them to buy more back at a lower price, and would contribute to more long-term confidence sans bubble+crash [17:53]
imsaguy2 the early miners aren't worried about getting more coin [17:53]
helo they are worried about long term value in the coins they have, which bubbles threaten [17:53]
imsaguy2 perhaps, but they aren't worried about it any more than any other person with a position in bitcoin [17:54]
bitcoinTrader ;;seen jaypetermm [17:54]
NASDAQEnema imsaguy2 you can use fiat even when fiat is crashing to help ppl make the transition [17:54]
imsaguy2 not if the exchange rate is bottoming out [17:54]
imsaguy2 you guys aren't really thinking your arguments through. [17:54]
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helo they stand to lose millions of dollars, that seems to be more of a worry than most [17:54]
imsaguy2 ;;btc,stats [17:55]
imsaguy2 ;;bc,stats [17:55]
imsaguy2 ;;calc 168897 * 50 * [ticker --last] [17:55]
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imsaguy2 total market capitalization is 41294303.118 [17:55]
NASDAQEnema imsaguy2: the answer to the failure of fiat is communication with providers not isolaion and hoping it blows over cuz I hate to say the net also runs on fiat and without the net btc is also fucked [17:55]
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helo early devs cared about bitcoin enough to invest a bunch of time into it, so it seems reasonable to believe they might invest some of their bitcoin in it too, if they thought they could make a difference [17:57]
imsaguy2 you realize you just argued in a circle, no? [17:57]
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NASDAQEnema if fiat shows any weakness months before collapse imma phone my oil and phone company that I will start paying in bitcoins same with my grocery store [17:58]
ineededausername ;;ticker [17:58]
ineededausername omg, crash [17:58]
ineededausername crash [17:58]
ineededausername crash [17:58]
rawrmage lol [17:58]
[eval] wow it's crashing lol [17:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining Ummm 10 cents is now a crash [17:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining ? [17:59]
[eval] YES! [17:59]
[eval] ZOMG THAT'S LIKE 2%! [17:59]
NASDAQEnema hell I'll even open a small cart shop [17:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining that's more like it [18:00]
NASDAQEnema and sell apples for bitcoins [18:00]
rawrmage 4.8 [18:00]
NASDAQEnema and loans [18:00]
[eval] RALLY! [18:00]
[eval] 4.86! [18:00]
rawrmage lol [18:00]
* jcpham pulls out palladium credit card. I'm buying coins with credit card. Who i selling? [18:01]
rawrmage palladium! [18:01]
[eval] i'll buy your credit card for 1 bitcoin :> [18:01]
[eval] but only if it is actually made of palladium [18:01]
[eval] the spread is like 7 cents... heh [18:02]
john visa prepaid gift card $100 for sale, 30btc, private message me if interested [18:02]
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NASDAQEnema I'm asking an online gold exchange to add bitcoins [18:02]
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Seventoes john: You want to buy at $3.33 while the price is $4.85? [18:03]
mircea_popescu thats good nasdaq [18:04]
rawrmage Seventoes: you mean $4.76 [18:04]
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Seventoes no, i mean $4.77 [18:05]
rawrmage lol [18:05]
Seventoes :P [18:05]
imsaguy2 regardless, he's looking for a ~30% [18:06]
imsaguy2 discount [18:06]
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DBordello Any europeans here willing to load up my intrade.com account? I will pay you in bitcoins for a $30 transaction [18:07]
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sgornick NASDAQEnema: I had a nice e-mail conversation with GoldSilver.com. [18:09]
sgornick I'm nearby to their HQ and figured I might score a few minutes with their CEO Mike Maloney or some other goldbug there to see if they ever would do something like a hybrid gold+bitcoin (like what Casascius makes). [18:10]
NASDAQEnema talking to bullionvault right now [18:10]
sgornick Response: "We will never accept anything that is not a government currency". [18:10]
sgornick and "Bitcoin crashed to $0.01. That's what you get with private currencies". [18:10]
john lol [18:10]
helo bitcoin didn't actually crash to $0.01 did it? [18:11]
helo it would be like someone hacking NYSE and placing a billion fake sells at really low values to crash some stocks [18:11]
sgornick helo: during the mt. gox attack, their compromised systems were trading at 0.01. Those trades were rolled back. [18:12]
helo i.e. nobody would actually be willing to sell their stocks for that low [18:12]
imsaguy2 NYSE wouldn't have left an open page with db access on the internet [18:12]
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bitcoinTrader [18:17]
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mircea_popescu anyone want to give a critical look at a banner ? [18:19]
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helo did anyone actually put up asks at $0.01? [18:21]
AcidicChip why, you sellin'?! :P [18:21]
rawrmage ;;bids --under 0.01 [18:21]
gribble There are currently 24904582 bitcoins demanded at or under 0.01 USD, worth 2010.86415898 USD in total. [18:21]
rawrmage lol [18:21]
rawrmage 24 million bitcoins demanded [18:21]
NASDAQEnema lmao [18:21]
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NASDAQEnema actually you can demand over the supply [18:22]
helo hah [18:22]
NASDAQEnema you just have to wait for the trades [18:22]
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helo there can be net demand over the supply, but can there be a single person with demand over the supply? [18:24]
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helo i guess at any point any unfulfilled ask is demand over the supply at that price point :/ [18:25]
* helo rouns around in circles [18:25]
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Saiga12 Whats up? [18:30]
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Saiga12 Anyone interested in a cctv camera and power supply for btc [18:31]
Saiga12 ? [18:31]
Saiga12 No one? [18:31]
nanotube Saiga12: these are not exactly very liquid items. :) gotta be patient. [18:33]
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jcpham http://i.imgur.com/WypVa.jpg y take so long [18:45]
njstein ugh [18:45]
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lordcyfer jcphan that's cute [18:51]
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jcpham whois lordcyfer [18:52]
jcpham SUPER FAIL [18:52]
lordcyfer I am Lord Cyfer [18:52]
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jcpham ;;gettrust jcpham [18:53]
gribble Trust relationship from user jcpham to user jcpham: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 16 via 12 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=jcpham&dest=jcpham [18:53]
jcpham ;;help trades [18:54]
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babbler ;;eauth babbler [18:59]
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Staatsfeind nanotubeOFFICIAL: What's the new address for donations? [19:00]
nanotubeOFFICIAL urmom [19:00]
nanotubeOFFICIAL oops [19:00]
nanotubeOFFICIAL 1urmom [19:00]
Staatsfeind lol [19:01]
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babbler ;;ticker [19:02]
gribble Best bid: 4.85899, Best ask: 4.859, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 4.859, 24 hour volume: 53616, 24 hour low: 4.74, 24 hour high: 5 [19:02]
mircea_popescu o wow, i actually got a first investor in MPOE [19:02]
mircea_popescu this is grand. [19:02]
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babbler ;;sell 1 iPhone 4 CDMA Model Number a1349 16GB, White @ 100 BTC Apple iPhone 4 16GB, White, model Number a1349 Slightly Used, Great condition, With rubber case [19:06]
gribble Order id 6977 created. [19:06]
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errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo to wells fargo wire [19:07]
* mircea_popescu imsaguyOFFICIAL [19:07]
mircea_popescu hey i need to take out some loans [19:07]
mircea_popescu bah [19:07]
* You are now known as imsaguyOFFICIAL [19:08]
imsaguyOFFICIAL hey i need to take out some loans [19:08]
imsaguyOFFICIAL MY RIGS ARE ON FIRE OMG [19:08]
imsaguyOFFICIAL I think a cat ate my hash... [19:08]
imsaguy2 ;;ident imsaguyOFFICIAL [19:08]
imsaguyOFFICIAL lolz [19:08]
rawrmage ;;ident imsaguy2 [19:08]
* You are now known as mircea_popescu [19:08]
gribble Nick 'imsaguy2', with hostmask 'imsaguy2!~nick@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is not identified. [19:08]
rawrmage none of you are teh realz [19:09]
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imsaguy2 there's a difference rawrmage: I can auth [19:09]
imsaguy2 its just PITA [19:09]
mircea_popescu hahaha rawr saw through our schemes! [19:09]
mircea_popescu can you auth as nano ? [19:09]
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babbler ;;sell 1 iPhone4 @ 100 BTC Apple iPhone 4 16GB, White, model Number a1349 Slightly Used, Great condition, With rubber case [19:10]
gribble Order id 6978 created. [19:10]
errydayimgenerat arfg [19:10]
ponymage hm, can you be authed as the same GPG user from multiple nicks at once, I wonder [19:10]
mircea_popescu rubber case in case you give it to a girl !? [19:10]
mcorlettOFFICIAL ;;view 6977 [19:10]
helo ponymage: no [19:10]
ponymage aww [19:10]
babbler 6977 is deleted its now 6978 [19:10]
helo need to make it obvious if someone else is authed as you [19:10]
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ponymage ;;ident rawrmage [19:11]
gribble Nick 'rawrmage', with hostmask 'rawrmage!~servnix@pdpc/supporter/student/rawrmage', is identified as user rawrmage, with GPG key id 677F1EBC1EA5A6A7, and key fingerprint D1B8F11EE3D551A64100055A677F1EBC1EA5A6A7. [19:11]
ponymage ;;ident [19:11]
gribble You are identified as user rawrmage, with GPG key id 677F1EBC1EA5A6A7, and key fingerprint D1B8F11EE3D551A64100055A677F1EBC1EA5A6A7. [19:11]
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rawrmage helo: liar [19:11]
imsaguy2 ;;eauth imsaguy [19:11]
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helo yes, i lied :/ [19:11]
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imsaguy2 ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e40e81ae86844ed2fc65b9276955574bdb92a91a4a47f55b58225776 [19:14]
gribble You are now authenticated for user imsaguy with key 7D7EA76776E6CE48 [19:14]
imsaguy2 ;;voiceme bish [19:14]
gribble (voiceme takes no arguments) -- Gives you voice on #bitcoin-otc if you qualify. [19:14]
imsaguy2 ;;voiceme [19:14]
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Staatsfeind 12:10 < ponymage> | hm, can you be authed as the same GPG user from multiple nicks at once, I wonder ← Yes. [19:15]
Staatsfeind ;;ident Staatsfeind [19:16]
gribble Nick 'Staatsfeind', with hostmask 'Staatsfeind!~markac@unaffiliated/vragnaroda', is identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519. [19:16]
Staatsfeind ;;ident vragnaroda [19:16]
gribble Nick 'vragnaroda', with hostmask 'vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda', is identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519. [19:16]
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lordcyfer I sell VPN access acount 3BTC / 4 months 0.5 BTC for 2 weeks at b-anonym.net [19:23]
lordcyfer pm me [19:23]
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Saiga12 I have some wireless door and window sensors for ademco security systems for sale [19:24]
Saiga12 A cctv camera and dell optiplex 760 for cheap btc [19:25]
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helo and a busted up cash register? [19:26]
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Saiga12 Lol [19:26]
nanotube lol [19:26]
ne1watching_ ;;view [19:26]
Saiga12 I work at a commercial security co [19:26]
imsaguy2 lordcyfer: who are you? [19:27]
copumpkin what Saiga12 means is that he's part of a crime syndicate that regularly robs major institutions [19:27]
imsaguy2 lordcyfer: how do I know you aren't watching my traffic? [19:27]
Saiga12 No not at all [19:27]
Saiga12 If u are close I'll install them too [19:27]
lordcyfer WHat do you meaf imsaguy2 ? [19:28]
lordcyfer mean ? [19:28]
Saiga12 And if that was the case id have a lot more stuff to get rid of [19:28]
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lordcyfer Ok ims i just understand what you mean [19:35]
lordcyfer i am on too many windows [19:35]
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mircea_popescu lol cyfer [19:36]
lordcyfer imsguy2 you can't be sure but my job is to sell VPN [19:36]
lordcyfer so i don't want to destroy my biz [19:36]
lordcyfer my color setting is a big shit on my irc client [19:36]
rg woot [19:37]
rg 99.9% uptime this month [19:37]
lordcyfer better now [19:37]
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lordcyfer and i have something else to do than sniffing 5 Ips with good bandwidth and many users [19:37]
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Staatsfeind dammit [19:38]
jcpham hello channel k/b enforcer [19:38]
jcpham i see you [19:38]
mircea_popescu 99.9% is for pussies [19:38]
mircea_popescu i had 100% this year. [19:38]
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Staatsfeind Oh, I really want to say something I shouldn't right now. [19:39]
mircea_popescu why not lol [19:39]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: The new channel guidelines. [19:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate tcatm 2 bitcoincharts fellow, sold me adspace. [19:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user tcatm has been recorded. [19:40]
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tcatm ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 paid promptly [19:41]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [19:41]
mircea_popescu live dangerously staatsfeind [19:41]
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jcpham where might one read the new channel guidelines [19:42]
Graet ;;topic [19:43]
gribble OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. || http://bitcoin-otc.com/ || http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 || Start with the ;;guide || Before you trade, talk to people, and check user ratings. || Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud || Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc || Bitcoin VPS: http://www.bitvps.com || Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe [19:43]
Graet bit.ly link [19:43]
mircea_popescu soooo [19:43]
mircea_popescu anyone notice anything in bitcoincharts.com ? [19:43]
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copumpkin nope, but I never check that site [19:44]
copumpkin what's new? [19:44]
jcpham who's been dicussing Insults, flamewars, NSFW discussions; [19:44]
jcpham let's facilitate the smooth flow of commerce [19:45]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ how about nao ? [19:45]
imsaguy2 nanotube: just a suggestion, but if there were fewer ads in the topic, you'd have more space for a non-bit.ly linke P [19:46]
imsaguy2 *:P [19:46]
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mircea_popescu ya, take out rg's [19:46]
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Staatsfeind Does mircea_popescu pay more for the first spot? [19:47]
mircea_popescu I INVENTED ADS in there! [19:47]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: very nice [19:47]
mircea_popescu copumpkin : juuust working dilligently at getting investors a ROI :p [19:47]
rawrmage lol [19:47]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: you think it's time for, you know [19:47]
copumpkin *drum roll* [19:48]
copumpkin A STYLESHEET? [19:48]
nanotube imsaguy2: haha [19:48]
Unclemantis looks like the gox is going down today [19:48]
jcpham css is so 2004 [19:48]
imsaguy2 I'm guessing since people don't make it to the ;;guide text, they won't make it to the ad text [19:48]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: don't faint, man [19:48]
* Unclemantis is still sitting on his buy order [19:48]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: I didn't mean to be so radical [19:48]
mircea_popescu copumpkin : make yourself a brokerage! do ponies! pink! [19:48]
imsaguy2 mmm, pink [19:48]
jcpham bro hoof [19:48]
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mircea_popescu srsly, there's gotta be a penny to be made in brokering options. with CSS! [19:49]
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copumpkin zomg [19:49]
jcpham how does it work mircea_popescu? i give you btc, you give me more back for free? [19:49]
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mircea_popescu in some cases yes jcpham [19:50]
Staatsfeind lol [19:50]
Unclemantis SOME cases [19:50]
Unclemantis 0.000000001 percent of the time [19:50]
Staatsfeind LOL [19:50]
mircea_popescu more like .4999 [19:50]
jcpham sounds like a sure thing, then [19:50]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: So you run a casino! [19:50]
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mircea_popescu no, i just run the hot chicks around the room. [19:50]
mircea_popescu the casino runs itself. [19:50]
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mircea_popescu actually last time someone put 183 btc in options they went home with 182.75 on settlement [19:51]
Unclemantis sounds like a loss to me [19:52]
jcpham OR A NEGATIVE GAIN [19:52]
rawrmage lol [19:52]
mcorlett jcpham: Hahaha! [19:52]
mircea_popescu well... it was pretty close. [19:52]
jcpham y so negative all the time guys [19:52]
Unclemantis i'm in! [19:52]
Unclemantis jcpham wanna partner up!? [19:53]
jcpham i broke [19:53]
Unclemantis we are going to be stinking rich! or just stinky! [19:53]
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jcpham i just donated all my money [19:53]
Unclemantis to options no doubt [19:53]
mircea_popescu to whom! [19:53]
jcpham somali relief fund [19:53]
helo mircea_popescu: what site is this? [19:53]
Unclemantis well that's a relief! [19:54]
mircea_popescu this ? this is the irc. [19:54]
mircea_popescu or what do you mean ? [19:54]
helo mircea_popescu: the "someone put 183 btc in options they went home with 182.75" [19:54]
mircea_popescu check chan topic [19:54]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/btc [19:54]
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Unclemantis so basicly a mtgox [19:54]
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mircea_popescu not really clematis [19:54]
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jcpham i see no flowers [19:55]
Unclemantis a little too confusing for this insect [19:55]
Unclemantis i'm out [19:55]
jcpham clematis is a purple viney flower [19:56]
jcpham i know this because i'm a girl [19:56]
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Unclemantis is there a problem with saying my name? [19:56]
helo Unclemantis [19:56]
helo works fine for me [19:56]
jcpham clematis [19:56]
Unclemantis the U and N must be broken on both their keyboards [19:57]
mircea_popescu you're a girl too jcpham ? [19:57]
Unclemantis omg! it must be a girl thing! [19:57]
* mircea_popescu isn't a girl. [19:57]
Unclemantis mircea_popescu you said TOO [19:57]
mircea_popescu didnt mean me. [19:57]
jcpham he haz harem [19:57]
Bigpiggy01Mining WTS 3 new msi890fxa GD70 mobos open to offers PM for details [19:57]
mircea_popescu no cheez plz. [19:58]
Unclemantis 1 BTC! [19:58]
Graet mmm [19:58]
jcpham yeah hmm [19:58]
Graet damn u Bigpiggy01Mining :P [19:58]
jcpham sould be able to move those Bigpiggy01Mining [19:58]
Graet and i still have a vacant amd cpu... [19:58]
mircea_popescu everyone moving into fpga ghuh [19:58]
Bigpiggy01Mining they're really nice boards [19:58]
Graet i have 3 [19:58]
DBordello Anybody have a european credit or debit card to load some funds on intrade.com for me? [19:58]
jcpham i also have 3 [19:58]
rawrmage i have -1 [19:59]
rawrmage ha [19:59]
Graet 4 would be nice [19:59]
jcpham my boards aren't saturated with GPU's just yet [19:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining I got 3 extra from a deal on some CPUs [19:59]
Graet but, the bridge thing ;) [19:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining You mean the splitter [19:59]
jcpham have you guys seen my photo? [19:59]
Graet yes [19:59]
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Bigpiggy01Mining I'm really disappointed in how slow they've been in shipping [19:59]
Graet yer [19:59]
Bigpiggy01Mining I'd love to get a bunch of those up and running [20:00]
mircea_popescu o, btw copumpkin, as you can see i got myself a forum user. [20:00]
mircea_popescu in the shape of a pretty hawt pr chick. [20:00]
Bigpiggy01Mining especially for my 5750s [20:00]
mircea_popescu have you guys seen my photo? << no. [20:01]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: yeah, was gonna ask if that was you [20:01]
mircea_popescu no, it actually is her. [20:01]
jcpham i'm looking [20:01]
Unclemantis ??? [20:01]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: I would have never guessed! [20:02]
mircea_popescu lol what wouldn't you have never guessed ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu since clematis is known as unclematis i propose copumpkin be known as uncle pumpkin :D [20:03]
jcpham http://i.imgur.com/pVjqQ.jpg [20:03]
Unclemantis kick ass [20:03]
jcpham makes an awesome android background [20:03]
mircea_popescu military class huh [20:03]
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rg morning [20:04]
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mircea_popescu hey rg why did you get banned on forum ? [20:04]
Bigpiggy01Mining ;;seen netxshare [20:04]
gribble netxshare was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 day, 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: zero [20:04]
Bigpiggy01Mining Hmmm [20:04]
rg did i ? [20:04]
mircea_popescu seems so [20:04]
jcpham no surprise [20:05]
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rg rapeghost [20:05]
rg Jr. Member [20:05]
rg ** [20:05]
rg Online Online [20:05]
rg wtf are you yammering about? [20:05]
mircea_popescu gave you a start did i ? :D [20:05]
rg not really.. [20:05]
mircea_popescu ;/ [20:05]
rg i dont care about the forum [20:06]
rg like i said, scourge of the community [20:06]
copumpkin "Mr. Popescu is a firm believer in community effort - the ugliness may well be deliberate." [20:06]
mircea_popescu a well, i triede. [20:06]
rg buncha chimps on there, they ard [20:06]
rg e [20:06]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [20:06]
mircea_popescu she said that ?! [20:06]
mircea_popescu roflmao, political way of saying "believes in other people doing the work" [20:07]
copumpkin I responded to her, too [20:07]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: wait, this actually isn't you? [20:07]
copumpkin I was assuming you were posing as a PR lady [20:07]
Unclemantis so... do you all think mtgox will break below $4.50 this week? [20:07]
mircea_popescu it actually is the girl in the pic. [20:07]
copumpkin lol [20:07]
copumpkin whoops [20:07]
rawrmage lol, what, link? [20:07]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: is this one of "your women"? [20:07]
mircea_popescu and apparently she doesn't just SAY she's damned good, she actually is damned good [20:08]
rg ;;asks 5 [20:08]
gribble There are currently 15666.645 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 77368.5502173 USD in total. [20:08]
rawrmage ;;bids 4.5 [20:08]
gribble There are currently 21102.734 bitcoins demanded at or over 4.5 USD, worth 98065.5320299 USD in total. [20:08]
mircea_popescu "believes in community effort" i think ima believe in raises. [20:08]
copumpkin :) [20:08]
copumpkin well, now I feel bad [20:08]
rg ;;market sell 2000 [20:08]
gribble A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 9589.4289 USD and would take the last price down to 4.7800 USD. [20:08]
copumpkin for posting that [20:08]
mcorlett Has Instawallet removed their green address feature? [20:09]
copumpkin I thought it was you posing as aw oman [20:09]
rg why comes people uses the website walletz [20:09]
ahbritto_ Please fund this for $25, Max Keiser wants to feature this on his show, Bitcoiners need to show interest: http://www.piratemyfilm.com/projects/304 [20:09]
rg 2good4bitcoin-qt? [20:09]
ahbritto_ You reserve fees now, if it gets greenlit, you pay in Bitcoin. [20:09]
[eval] mcorlett: the last time i bought BTC here, the user sent from instawallet green address [20:09]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: okay, I killed my inappropriate comment on the thread :P [20:09]
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rawrmage copumpkin: lol [20:10]
mcorlett [eval]: The option seems to have mysteriously disappeared from their website... [20:10]
copumpkin one might still ask why it looks like her breasts are exposed in her avatar pic [20:10]
luke-jr mcorlett: good [20:10]
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copumpkin but the MPOE thread might not be the best place to bring that up [20:10]
[eval] interesting.. maybe because of gmaxwell's/luke-jr's dislike [20:10]
rg .. breastz/ [20:10]
[eval] it can increase blockchain bloat, after all [20:11]
mircea_popescu i imagine it's the job ? [20:11]
rawrmage rg: you hilight on that? :P [20:11]
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luke-jr [eval]: s/can/does/ [20:12]
DeLorean731 WTB: Harmless office prank [20:12]
mircea_popescu delorean731 i got one for you. [20:12]
DeLorean731 @ 1.0 thankfulness [20:13]
[eval] luke-jr: you're right [20:14]
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mcorlett luke-jr: Are there any other proposed "solutions" to the confirmation "problem"? [20:16]
luke-jr mcorlett: there really isn't a problem [20:16]
luke-jr mcorlett: there was one other comparable alternative, but Gavin plans to shoot it down with 0.6 [20:17]
luke-jr IIRC he had a good reason why, but I don't recall it [20:17]
luke-jr maybe gmaxwell does [20:17]
helo DeLorean731: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/ [20:18]
Unclemantis so the more people that i talk into buying at market the further down the last price goes? [20:18]
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Unclemantis i am keeping my orders open and at the same buy and sell prices :) [20:25]
Unclemantis they will all trigger eventualy [20:25]
Unclemantis and when they do i will be a HAPPY MAN [20:25]
copumpkin hmm [20:25]
luke-jr lol [20:27]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: if I send you money (bondage) and you don't end up using it cause my interest was too high, can I get it back out easily until next month? [20:34]
* luke-jr smacks copumpkin [20:35]
* Bigpiggy01Mining Bigpiggy01Mining wants to play bondage games as well :) [20:35]
copumpkin or is the bond agreement that we just tell you how much we want in interest up front, and then you contact us if you decide to use our money? [20:36]
* copumpkin gives luke-jr a dirty look and runs away crying [20:36]
* [eval] drowns the pharaoh's army in the red sea to keep his people out of bondage [20:36]
* luke-jr forces [eval]'s people to wander aimlessly in the desert until they all die [20:36]
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[eval] too late, 40 years have passed and now we're throwing rocks at philistines [20:37]
luke-jr pbbt [20:37]
* luke-jr floods the world [20:37]
[eval] that's out of order :/ [20:37]
luke-jr <.< [20:38]
luke-jr Freeciv anyone? [20:38]
[eval] haha [20:38]
copumpkin I think the philistines were designed by god to have rocks thrown at them, weren't they? [20:38]
Staatsfeind luke-jr: No omnicide, please. [20:38]
rawrmage lol [20:38]
[eval] copumpkin: no, nowadays they throw rocks themselves [20:38]
* luke-jr homicides Staatsfeind [20:38]
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[eval] and get bullets/missiles/rubber bullets launched at them [20:38]
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copumpkin oh I see [20:38]
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luke-jr so… freeciv? [20:39]
luke-jr or glob2? [20:39]
mircea_popescu copumpkin nope. [20:40]
mircea_popescu you send btc with an interest attached. it sits with me. if it qualifies it gets interest and risks principal. if it doesn't qualify it just sits [20:40]
mircea_popescu whenever you want it back you say, and you get it on month end. [20:40]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: so you hold onto my money interest-free until you decide to use it? you can do whatever with it [20:40]
mircea_popescu well i can't do anything with it lol [20:41]
NASDAQEnema philistines throw rocks - they get missiles thrown at them which makes more rocks [20:41]
mircea_popescu it just sits there. [20:41]
mircea_popescu and it's not me deciding either, its the market. [20:41]
mircea_popescu if options sell it'll get used. [20:41]
NASDAQEnema i feel pretty [20:41]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: yeah, but it seems wasteful for it to sit unused [20:42]
mircea_popescu basically it's in your best interest to quote a reasonable ammt. [20:42]
copumpkin that money could be lent to other people, or traded, or whatever [20:42]
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mircea_popescu frankly, last month capital needs were 6k [20:42]
copumpkin time is worth money too :P [20:42]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine there's going to be 6k bonds soon, but at any rate, that's your incentive to charge the lowest reasonable % [20:42]
NASDAQEnema copumpkin: if you put money on a slow exchange - it just sits there waiting [20:42]
NASDAQEnema for a counterparty [20:43]
NASDAQEnema the nature of options is to sit there and wait [20:43]
NASDAQEnema you can sell the options instead of the money [20:43]
copumpkin NASDAQEnema: except I can cancel my order [20:43]
copumpkin and withdraw [20:44]
copumpkin NASDAQEnema: we're not talking about options [20:44]
NASDAQEnema MPOE = O = options [20:44]
mircea_popescu the entire system is thought to give [some] of the benefits of a central bank w/o the drawbacks (possible due to the way btc was smartly made). [20:44]
mircea_popescu basically this'd be the "sterilisation" effect. [20:44]
copumpkin NASDAQEnema: so when you invest in hustler, you're doing porn? does your wife know about that? [20:44]
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AcidicChip My wife knows [20:45]
NASDAQEnema i know i'm my position is hold if i invest in hustler [20:45]
copumpkin NASDAQEnema: we're talking about mircea_popescu's odd "bond-like things" for his options emporium [20:45]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the entire argument against ppl buying child porn online is that they would be "into" child porn in this sense. [20:45]
copumpkin NASDAQEnema: a bond-like thing from MPOE is not an option [20:45]
copumpkin despite the O [20:46]
NASDAQEnema um bonds also do siting [20:46]
copumpkin yes, and they earn a premium for it [20:46]
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* Bigpiggy01Mining puts on the outfit copumpkin has always wanted to see him in http://imgur.com/kAdiZ [20:52]
copumpkin lol [20:52]
copumpkin Bigpiggy01Mining: I think you need 01 on your forehead [20:52]
Unclemantis and down it goes!!! [20:53]
Bigpiggy01Mining http://imgur.com/oroJ0 [20:53]
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njstein hehooo [20:55]
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ageis sup njstein [20:57]
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njstein chirrin like a virrain [20:57]
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mcorlett DBordello: I hope you don't mind me asking: are you satisfied with the results from the ad running on the Bitcoin Forums? [20:58]
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mircea_popescu mcorlett : im curious if you find someone who is. [21:02]
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bitcoinTrader jaypetermm: type tt here [21:06]
jaypetermm ;;rate 1 bitcointrader good trade like the speed he holds [21:07]
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silvercoin ;;was [21:09]
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babbler ;;remove 6978 [21:10]
gribble Order 6978 removed. [21:10]
babbler ;;sell 1 iPhone4 @ 50 BTC Apple iPhone 4 16GB, White, model Number a1349 Slightly Used, Great condition, With rubber case [21:10]
gribble Order id 6979 created. [21:10]
rg ;;ticker [21:11]
gribble Best bid: 4.88984, Best ask: 4.88985, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 4.88985, 24 hour volume: 61619, 24 hour low: 4.735, 24 hour high: 5 [21:11]
Staatsfeind lolwut [21:11]
Staatsfeind babbler: I don't think you'll sell that at that price here. :/ [21:11]
babbler taking offers [21:12]
babbler i went from 100BTC -> 50BTC rigth there [21:12]
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rg only if it wasnt an iphone [21:16]
rg someone might buy it [21:16]
silvercoin babbler what are you selling [21:17]
Staatsfeind rg: Lots of people like the iPhone. Just not at a steeper price than a new one would be. [21:17]
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babbler its an iPhone 4 / CDMA 16gb [21:18]
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silvercoin how much? [21:19]
babbler Staats, well, a newer one without contract is more expensive [21:19]
babbler 50BTC is asking price [21:19]
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Staatsfeind I don't know what you're smoking. [21:20]
babbler yeah they are like 500 USD used [21:20]
Staatsfeind ;;calc 50 * [ticker --last] [21:20]
gribble 242.5 [21:20]
njstein heh [21:21]
njstein 500$ iphone [21:21]
babbler am i right? [21:21]
njstein that sounds [21:21]
njstein what's the wowrd [21:21]
njstein ludicrous [21:21]
nanotube hey, don't like it don't buy it. apparently enough people think it's worth it to support the market price. :P [21:21]
nanotube (not that i'm one of those ... :) ) [21:22]
mod6 You want to sell that Iphone, put it up for 20 BTC ~ $100 [21:22]
babbler Like i said i'm taking offers:) [21:22]
phraust iphone 4 or 4s? [21:22]
babbler I can send it to gisele.com for 130$ USD [21:23]
babbler 4 [21:23]
phraust hrm, no thanks. ;) [21:23]
babbler no problem. I'm just letting someone get a shot at it before it gets "recycled" [21:24]
babbler and would prefer BTC to one of their amazon gift cards [21:24]
babbler or check, or paypal [21:24]
imsaguy2 I'll buy the amazon gc off of you for 85% of face. [21:24]
babbler the check sounds a lot better now [21:24]
babbler :> [21:25]
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njstein brb [21:26]
nanotube babbler: well, just be patient. eventually someone may want it. (or you could sell on e bay, then buy btc with proceeds) [21:26]
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Guest17885 anybody know if i can buy bitcoins with alertpay? [21:26]
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DBordello Anybody have a european credit or debit card to load some funds on intrade.com for me? [21:28]
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kaviar anyone want to change some coins for Ukash? 500 NKR = 89 US dollars. PM me :) [21:29]
kakobrekla DBordello try #bitcoin-otc-eu [21:29]
DBordello kakobrekla, thanks :) [21:29]
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errydayimgenerat ;;eauth errydayimgenerat [21:33]
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errydayimgenerat ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c00d537211c6cd14eb842bfcba5534fdf6ff25e3727d01fc938f991c [21:33]
gribble You are now authenticated for user errydayimgenerat with key C7C3F3750594495A [21:33]
errydayimgenerat ;;voiceme [21:33]
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errydayimgenerat kakowww [21:33]
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neofutur DBordello: how soes this work ? do I need to create an account on intrade ? how much do you need ? what premium do you offer ? how will you pay ? [21:34]
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errydayimgenerat selling mtgox usd or btc for wells fargo customer to custie wire :) [21:39]
imsaguy2 ;;seen occulta [21:40]
gribble occulta was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: lol [21:40]
DBordello neofutur, 1) I already have an account on intrade. 2) You just go add funds to it 3) $30 4) How about 6.6 BTC? [21:40]
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BorGor selling 580 ppusd [21:41]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: interested in a giftcard? [21:41]
errydayimgenerat or cash deposit [21:43]
errydayimgenerat maybe [21:43]
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imsaguy2 jjjrmy-m: your rates are crazy high. [21:44]
imsaguy2 I'm not going to pay a premium when I can get it from occulta for a 15% discount :) [21:44]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: what do you want, I can probably cut you a deal ;) [21:44]
imsaguy2 amazon [21:44]
imsaguy2 about 1800 worth [21:44]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: oh, can't do at a discount. But soon on my site I'll have discounted and 0% premium cards. [21:45]
imsaguy2 well, if you setup the referrals, you could do discounts the same way occulta does :p [21:47]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: ? [21:53]
silvercoin I need 8 btc [21:53]
silvercoin via PP [21:53]
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imsaguy2 amazon pays affiliates [21:53]
silvercoin if anyone can help please [21:53]
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imsaguy2 so if you refer people to their site, you'll get a commission [21:53]
imsaguy2 the commission is paid in amazon [21:53]
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silvercoin come on anyone [21:54]
silvercoin just 8 btc [21:54]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: maybe, but that's not how I'm doing it [21:55]
errydayimgenerat silvercoin: got wells fargo? [21:55]
Staatsfeind You're probably not going to get any takers for ScamPal. [21:55]
silvercoin u have wells fargo [21:55]
silvercoin I have* [21:55]
jcpham currently 3.72 is how deep my pockets go [21:55]
silvercoin yea its just 8 though [21:55]
errydayimgenerat i'll do a wells fargo -> wells fargo wire [21:55]
silvercoin aren't there fees [21:56]
errydayimgenerat it's no fee, you can do it on the website [21:56]
errydayimgenerat not customer to customer [21:56]
silvercoin ok [21:56]
silvercoin link me/ [21:56]
silvercoin ? [21:56]
errydayimgenerat pm if interested [21:56]
silvercoin k [21:56]
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Someguy123 silvercoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60534.0 [21:59]
Someguy123 :) [21:59]
jjjrmy-m Also, why doesn't anyone use my site to buy other giftcards?! [21:59]
Someguy123 jjjrmy-m link me to your site? [21:59]
jjjrmy-m Someguy123: www.giftcoin.net [21:59]
Someguy123 jjjrmy-m yeah well I'm in the UK [22:00]
Someguy123 none of those apply to me ... [22:00]
Someguy123 derp [22:00]
jjjrmy-m Someguy123: you don't have ANY of those places? Come on! [22:00]
jjjrmy-m Someguy123: okay, what do you have then? [22:00]
Someguy123 jjjrmy-m I have some of them, but you can't just use US giftcards in UK shops [22:00]
Someguy123 I'm sure... [22:00]
jjjrmy-m Someguy123: are you ure? [22:00]
Someguy123 pretty sure [22:01]
Someguy123 jjjrmy-m starbucks, staples, pizza hut, dominos pizza [22:01]
Someguy123 we have all those in the UK [22:02]
jjjrmy-m Someguy123: yeah, the giftcards will work [22:02]
neofutur ;;gettrust silvercoin [22:02]
gribble Trust relationship from user ne0futur to user silvercoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=ne0futur&dest=silvercoin [22:02]
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silvercoin well [22:03]
silvercoin im going to stop using PP [22:03]
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SerajewelKS jjjrmy-m: http://giftcoin.net/about.php is legit [22:04]
jjjrmy-m SerajewelKS: ssshhh, not done yet. :p [22:04]
phraust lol [22:04]
jjjrmy-m I'd rather work on adding new features and giftcards than working on my Abut page. [22:05]
mircea_popescu not such a good call. [22:07]
nanotube mircea_popescu: btw, good work on the minion hiring. i approve of the way she's handling the thread. [22:08]
mircea_popescu what did she do now lol [22:08]
nanotube oh i just checked out the thread to see what was up [22:08]
nanotube nothing too recent [22:09]
copumpkin yeah, your PR lady sounds very professional, Mr. Popescu [22:09]
mircea_popescu cool! [22:09]
nanotube if i need pr minions, maybe i'll subcontract yours :D [22:09]
mircea_popescu haha nano, actually it's part of what i do irl. [22:09]
nanotube minion subcontracting? :) [22:10]
mircea_popescu well, i do business consulting. a good chunk to startups and small corps [22:10]
mircea_popescu as a result... they need counsel. they don't know what a CFO does. they need pr [22:10]
mircea_popescu they need a shrink often enough [22:10]
mircea_popescu etc. [22:10]
mircea_popescu and so they end up renting mine. [22:11]
tcatm Could some of you make one market go to... maybe 8 USD? I need to take a screenshot of those minicharts on bitcoincharts :) [22:11]
mircea_popescu lol [22:12]
mircea_popescu easier to edit the code [22:12]
nanotube tcatm: haha why does it need to be 8? don't minicharts work on any numbers? :P [22:12]
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AdamGiunta Trying to build up my first rating. Selling 60 Day WoW Code for 5BTC. I send code first! [22:13]
extor I'm amused by the large amount of people who want to stop using PP because of mysterious grudges/butthurt even when there's no alternative in the cases where your clients want to use ONLY paypal [22:13]
imsaguy2 extor: yes [22:14]
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tcatm nanotube: I want the orange dot to be a little further away from the average line... :) [22:15]
mircea_popescu ya what extor says [22:15]
jcpham since when does pci dss only consider twat or verisludge certs to be valid [22:15]
nanotube tcatm: haha ic [22:15]
jjjrmy-m Anyone good with Windows Server? [22:15]
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jcpham sadly i poonage on winders [22:15]
mircea_popescu DO NOT i repeat DO NOT [22:15]
mircea_popescu mention that name again. [22:16]
errydayimgenerat best windows build ever was me [22:16]
mircea_popescu we lost half the chanel over here [22:16]
mircea_popescu omg. [22:16]
errydayimgenerat what name? [22:16]
mircea_popescu Anyone good with Windows Server? [22:16]
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jcpham i just did some winders server regedit actions [22:16]
jcpham disabled ssl2 [22:16]
jcpham so much fun [22:16]
mircea_popescu windows just so happens to be known for borked pipes. [22:16]
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AdamGiunta Trying to build up my first rating. Selling 60 Day WoW Code for 5BTC. I send code first! PM If interested. [22:17]
nanotube heh, like voldemort of irc. [22:17]
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nanotube AdamGiunta: post your order on the book [22:17]
AdamGiunta Does anyone read the order book? [22:17]
Unclemantis send the code first so that we are under no obligation legaly to send you the 5 btc :P [22:18]
a5m0 AdamGiunta, sometimes, i find it hard to search sometimes though [22:18]
a5m0 buying: 1x 5970 or 6990, selling: 5 yubikeys, 1 dual 2.8ghz xeon server/computer, pm for details [22:18]
AdamGiunta There is no obligation for anyone to trade here other than trust. <3 [22:18]
a5m0 jjjrmy-m, i run and am familiar with server 2003 and 2008r2, what do you need? [22:19]
jjjrmy-m a5m0: One sec, I might have fixed it [22:19]
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a5m0 cool, tell me anyways when you're done, I could use a good story [22:20]
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AdamGiunta Posted 60 Day WoW Time Code in the order book for only 4 BTC! [22:25]
imsaguy2 oh good [22:25]
imsaguy2 now that you told us, you don't have to tell us again :) [22:26]
jjjrmy-m imsaguy2: lol [22:26]
mircea_popescu does anyone here even play wow ? [22:26]
Unclemantis not really [22:26]
Unclemantis never really tried it [22:26]
imsaguy2 why do you think he's trying to sell it? [22:27]
Unclemantis Second Life YES [22:27]
imsaguy2 lol [22:27]
mircea_popescu i was in the closed beta bacvk in 2004. i thoufght it sucked and dropped it. [22:27]
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Unclemantis probably his brother's [22:27]
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AdamGiunta I'm trying to get my first rating on the OTC. No other reason for selling. [22:27]
mircea_popescu We would like to apologize to all our clients for the lack of customer support provided over the past weeks, as of 14th February we have been faced with another banking institution issue, which includes the following; [22:28]
AdamGiunta I don't actually play WoW. I figured you guys all did. Haha [22:28]
mircea_popescu lose a bank, come online to announce it one week later. insanity. [22:28]
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mircea_popescu not really adam, mostly computer geeks here, prolly play space invaders on old reconstructed arcade machines [22:28]
mircea_popescu that were intended originalyl to run frogger. [22:29]
a5m0 i play php [22:29]
AdamGiunta What is the absolute fastest thing to sell on here that is digital and is not just currency? [22:29]
mircea_popescu maybe 2nd life dolla ? [22:29]
neofutur http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php?sortby=created_at&sortorder=ASC [22:29]
errydayimgenerat amazon giftcards? [22:29]
mircea_popescu or that maybe yea [22:29]
neofutur we should create the "2010-11-08 private club" ;) [22:29]
errydayimgenerat i see those go fairly quickly [22:29]
AdamGiunta Amazon Giftcards are currency! Haha [22:30]
mircea_popescu pizzas also go [22:30]
AdamGiunta And so are 2nd life dolla's. O.O [22:30]
mircea_popescu talk to rg get him a sub presto, rating. [22:30]
neofutur or just 2010 club [22:30]
errydayimgenerat 2nd life is best game ever [22:30]
AdamGiunta What about a Starcraft II cd key? [22:30]
errydayimgenerat eh [22:31]
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AdamGiunta I'm determined to sell something on here that is not currency. Help me out here. [22:31]
neofutur feel free to join [22:31]
errydayimgenerat AdamGiunta: ordering food for people works out. [22:32]
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neofutur ( and fyi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ should be available by Wednesday [22:32]
neofutur they wont use paypal . . . but wont either use btc for orders ;( [22:32]
errydayimgenerat man [22:32]
errydayimgenerat thank god for the school system [22:32]
ronaz i am waiting for someone to run fpga with raspberry pi [22:33]
AdamGiunta Question: Can people without voice message me privately to order from the Order Book? [22:33]
neofutur yup theres a gpu in in the raspberry [22:33]
ronaz umm [22:34]
neofutur AdamGiunta: afaik theres a freenode setting to allow unregistered people to pm you [22:34]
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AdamGiunta Thanks! [22:34]
babbler ;;rate errydayimgenerat 1 Got MtGox code gave me a discount too! [22:34]
AdamGiunta Unregistered obviously can't leave rating I'm assuming. [22:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user errydayimgenerat has been recorded. [22:34]
babbler ;;rate errydayimgenerat 2 Got MtGox code gave me a discount too! [22:36]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user errydayimgenerat has changed from 1 to 2. [22:36]
babbler it was a big discount :) [22:36]
errydayimgenerat brb puerto rican outside [22:36]
mircea_popescu i query ppl without being voiced all the time [22:36]
mircea_popescu but you can't rate without being identified, no. [22:37]
AdamGiunta Ok that makes sense. [22:37]
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neofutur http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/798353/FRED-survey [22:38]
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neofutur ( from http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=BASE&s[1][range]=50yrs ) [22:39]
neofutur Which data are we missing? -> answered bitcoins :p [22:39]
mircea_popescu umm [22:39]
mircea_popescu so the BFL people no longer take bitcoin ?! [22:39]
mircea_popescu wtf joke is that ? [22:39]
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vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I wouldn't want to buy anything from them in a non-chargebackable medium, anyway. [22:40]
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mircea_popescu well that's a fish entirely of its own. [22:41]
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a5m0 seems strange though, i'm sure they'd be the target for chargebacks [22:41]
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a5m0 that seem to be super slow on shipping anyways, aren't most people buying those fpgas from someone else/ [22:41]
mircea_popescu has anyone actually got one of their things working and mining ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu bfls i mean [22:42]
copumpkin I think luke-jr did, or gigavps [22:42]
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Someguy123 torgateway tor-sasl is back online? [22:43]
mircea_popescu you'd think that;'d be one big unboxing event [22:44]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: lol @ your PR [22:44]
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mircea_popescu ya did you see that, she caught you [22:44]
luke-jr mircea_popescu: http://eligius.st/~artefact2/7/16kNKa7WUg8QAPFy8dJRv7USSu2fAG2pkW [22:44]
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torgateway Someguy123: it's working [22:44]
mircea_popescu a ty luke [22:44]
`|-` torgateway, great [22:45]
`|-` now I can just use my tor-sasl xchat [22:45]
luke-jr mircea_popescu: high bid is currently $750 [22:45]
mircea_popescu it does put out 800mh [22:46]
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torgateway ;;voice [23:06]
torgateway always forget [23:06]
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