Forum logs for 22 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu so the "nuts with guns" angle does have some merit to it fo sho. [00:00]
mircea_popescu actually... [00:00]
mircea_popescu !s crazy shit stick [00:00]
assbot 8 results for 'crazy shit stick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crazy+shit+stick [00:00]
Hasimir have a look at the bill of rights policy and draw your own conclusions ... [00:00]
Hasimir I suspect that if it came to a party vote I'd be in the minority and voting in favour [00:00]
Hasimir but we have more important policies to complete first [00:01]
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cazalla yeah, it's a shame Australians are so fearful of guns [00:01]
mircea_popescu ah, the dirty work of politics. which to do first. [00:01]
Hasimir blame that fuckwit in tasmania [00:01]
Hasimir martin bryant [00:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway [00:01]
asciilifeform it's like a soviet tank on a pedestal in cemetary [00:02]
asciilifeform might as well weld little flowers to it [00:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform /me knows but what shall i say of it anymore, it's an opaque topic on the basis of erryday experience. [00:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway << Fading fast, apparently even I with paper work could carry "crazy shit stick" [00:03]
asciilifeform u.s. small arms enthusiasts have separate category in their literature called 'carry' [00:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ianal, but in u.s. locales rich in orcs, 'carry' is normally forbidden [00:03]
BingoBoingo a humble handgun and a rifle for sport << FLip that Rifle for carry and pistol for sport [00:03]
cazalla Hasimir, not convinced it was him or that he at least acted alone.. what sort of guy autistic retard like him could kill 35 people with such precision [00:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: even in 'carry states', the list of public locations where such is forbidden, is quite long. [00:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla> i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em << why ? you're supposed to shoot out the knees/shoulders, and why wouldn't you ? [00:04]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Really only holds when locales in question are california and "New York" [00:04]
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Hasimir remember that those ppl weren't used to a world where guns were common enough to worry about [00:04]
cazalla mircea_popescu, how would i know what to put what where when we can't have weapons here to begin with : [00:04]
mircea_popescu and now we come full circle to the problem [00:05]
mircea_popescu yes, tumours. [00:05]
mircea_popescu not only on the gun. on the world too. [00:05]
Hasimir and I imagine it's much like the more recent massacre in Norway [00:05]
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Hasimir with that other retard ... what was his name? [00:05]
cazalla batman? [00:05]
Hasimir the one who shot all those kids [00:05]
cazalla anakin? [00:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome [00:06]
Hasimir heheh [00:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142347 << it's by no means certain the keys being publicly visible is intentional. [00:06]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:26:00; Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks? [00:06]
Hasimir fair point [00:07]
mircea_popescu that's one theory (published as such in an article iirc). another theory hanbot came up with earlier in log, and i've been thinking about. [00:07]
BingoBoingo So the Celosia already challenging the yellow heirloom rose for fastest boner in the front garden. [00:07]
Hasimir Breivik, Anders Breivik, that fuckwit [00:07]
mircea_popescu indeed, for all we know these keys were used in some sort of process, and a few accidentally leaked. [00:08]
mircea_popescu we don't know enough atm to call on this [00:08]
Hasimir that we definitely agree on ... [00:08]
mircea_popescu moreover, it's not even terribly clear HOW to correctly classify these keys. [00:08]
BingoBoingo that we definitely agree on ... << Is punative sodomy [00:08]
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mircea_popescu there seem to be 2-3 different categories but they can be reconstructed in multiple approaches with different elements. [00:09]
mircea_popescu which is why running the whole shebang is important - we need more members to attempt a classification [00:09]
Hasimir has anyone tried deliberately making/breaking a key like this? [00:09]
mircea_popescu which imo is the only sane way to proceed here. [00:09]
Hasimir them [00:09]
mircea_popescu Hasimir Apocalyptic was doing some work on this. [00:09]
mircea_popescu more work always welcome. [00:10]
Hasimir cool [00:10]
Hasimir if they're encryption subkey bits then maybe it's from backfired attempts to segregate the cert key from the subkeys ... [00:11]
Hasimir maybe [00:11]
mircea_popescu so far the only seriously excluded hypothesis is "bit rot". [00:11]
mircea_popescu anything else, pretty much may be. [00:11]
Hasimir bits don't rot, they flip [00:12]
mircea_popescu for all we know this is a not yet documented numeric field breakthrough [00:12]
mircea_popescu Hasimir bitrot = "changes in data due to the substrate rather than activity" [00:12]
Hasimir I know, I was being facetious [00:12]
BingoBoingo Math breakthrough/phd thesis seems most likely atm [00:12]
Hasimir been awake for a while ... [00:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no fucking way srsly. [00:12]
mircea_popescu i have had enough shockers for a year [00:13]
mircea_popescu and it's barely may. [00:13]
Hasimir BingoBoingo, no, they'd've published by now [00:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Looking at there being a pattern at all... Moar shockers!!! [00:13]
Hasimir unless it's on jstor ... [00:14]
mircea_popescu Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow [00:14]
BingoBoingo Hasimir: Nah, some poor motherfucker could be Dr. Motherfucker if only they didn't sign with an "Intelligence" agency [00:14]
BingoBoingo Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow << Yes [00:14]
Hasimir ah ... kk [00:14]
mircea_popescu the odds of which... gimme a break. [00:15]
BingoBoingo I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru [00:15]
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decimation 281479271743489 (the common exponent) = 65537*641*6700417 [00:17]
BingoBoingo !up AdrianoOliveira [00:17]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142379 << and you've not published this ?! [00:17]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:32; Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1 [00:17]
* BingoBoingo puclished front yart encounter with two sweaty feds [00:17]
mircea_popescu decimation yes. and notice 641 was a factor in the modulus i quoited above [00:17]
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decimation yeah. interesting. [00:17]
Hasimir having trouble with deedbot atm [00:18]
mircea_popescu !up deedbot- [00:18]
-assbot- You voiced deedbot- without time-limit. [00:18]
* assbot gives voice to deedbot- [00:18]
mircea_popescu just say deedbot- url [00:18]
trinque how so [00:18]
Hasimir deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3QDH2V3.txt [00:20]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [00:20]
Hasimir woohoo [00:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142381<< the other half being that ancient training of us politicians where "every question is an opportunity to rehash your agenda". and so... even if nothing else is said, repeating the "Erryone must upgrade" mantra is like buying ibm. won't get you fired. [00:20]
mircea_popescu Hasimir wd. [00:20]
Hasimir does it only work in channel or via pm too? [00:21]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:46; ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue. [00:21]
decimation https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/05/20/2015-11642/wassenaar-arrangement-2013-plenary-agreements-implementation-intrusion-and-surveillance-items#h-18 < " [00:22]
decimation The WA-agreed definition for ?intrusion software? is proposed to be added to § 772.1 of the EAR. The definition also includes a Note that describes some items not included as ?intrusion software,?e.g., hypervisors, debuggers or Software Reverse Engineering (SRE). [00:22]
trinque Hasimir: doing it here is nice for the logs, but it works both places. [00:23]
BingoBoingo Someone understand wassenar to do a qntra piece? [00:23]
Hasimir cool [00:23]
Hasimir wassenar, god, I still want to bury that fucking thing [00:23]
decimation ^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software' [00:23]
decimation (unless you get a license and permission from usg of course) [00:24]
Hasimir decimation, they've been at it through wassenar for nearly 2 decades now [00:24]
Hasimir I first wrote about it in '97 or '98 [00:24]
mircea_popescu eh, who cares about the us anymore, not like they have the edge in crypto [00:24]
decimation not even crypto related [00:24]
mircea_popescu what's next, somalia won't export laptops ? [00:24]
mircea_popescu decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor [00:25]
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mircea_popescu !up Panasonic [00:25]
-assbot- You voiced Panasonic for 30 minutes. [00:25]
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Hasimir mircea_popescu, but individuals aren't [00:25]
mircea_popescu hey asc, there comes your fab. [00:25]
mircea_popescu Hasimir individuals are mobile. [00:26]
decimation it all comes down to "get a note from stalin" [00:26]
Hasimir some are, hopefully enough [00:26]
Hasimir or do a satoshi [00:26]
mircea_popescu Hasimir you see how your position here contradicts your earlier stated position re guns ? :) [00:26]
* BingoBoingo seriously wants some fresh wassenar news for the qntra [00:26]
mircea_popescu apparently everyone holds the same beliefs when it comes to things they care about, and the other set for everything else. [00:26]
mircea_popescu which... is fine :) [00:27]
decimation wanna build an aircraft? fly an r/c plane? put 'intrusion software' on your website? get a note from stalin. [00:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028614 = 2.5753 BTC [+] [00:27]
Hasimir ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever [00:27]
Hasimir they're a tool, like any other [00:28]
Hasimir unfortunately often wielded by tools too [00:28]
BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/kinkyshitlords/comments/33roxc/just_joined_fetlife/ [00:28]
Hasimir with a high percentage of said tools also having badges [00:29]
BingoBoingo Guns need no badges, just oil [00:29]
Hasimir case in point, that url posted here earlier of the cops who lobbed a flash-bang at a baby [00:30]
BingoBoingo C&R Yugo SKS has a lot of pluses [00:34]
decimation mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment [00:38]
BingoBoingo WHatever all *nix are US legal by 2nd amendment [00:39]
decimation and note this is a regulation, not a law [00:40]
Hasimir BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument [00:41]
decimation Hasimir: yes and it was successful as I recall [00:41]
Hasimir I thought it settled before it got far enough to set precedent [00:42]
decimation right, which is why usg isn't going to test it again [00:42]
Hasimir except for defcad [00:43]
decimation https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/21-29 < and they did rule [00:43]
Hasimir oh cool [00:43]
decimation eh those defcad guys are just attention whores [00:43]
decimation what has usg done against them? [00:44]
Hasimir true, but the case might be interesting [00:44]
decimation http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/ < the state dept sent him a letter [00:45]
BingoBoingo Cody and Clitler have a back and forth [00:47]
decimation "Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR." [00:47]
decimation I'm not sure whatever came of this [00:47]
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mircea_popescu ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever << not the point. earlier when guns were being discussed you said " I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place", which yes is a valid point. but when it comes to something you actually know/care about, suddenly it';s not nearly as appealing, as good a point as it may be. [00:48]
mircea_popescu decimation moreover, you can just pgp me the code and i'll publish it. [00:48]
mircea_popescu now it's been exported, samizdat style. [00:48]
decimation ah it's in court http://www.scribd.com/doc/264435890/Defense-Distributed-et-al-v-U-S-Dept-of-State [00:48]
BingoBoingo !s shovel ak [00:49]
decimation they are trying the same argument as bernstein [00:49]
decimation "Defendants? censorship of Plaintiffs?speech, and the ad hoc, informal and arbitrary manner in which that scheme is applied, violate theFirst, Second, and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution." [00:49]
Hasimir decimation, yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about ... [00:49]
assbot 5 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak [00:49]
Hasimir mircea_popescu, it's always a fine line to walk between being passionate and religiously devoted ... [00:50]
mircea_popescu and the line a lot more visible in topics you care about enough to study in detail.. [00:51]
decimation mircea_popescu: of course, but that would give ground for usg to attempt to throw you in jail [00:51]
mircea_popescu decimation how would they ever know ? [00:51]
mircea_popescu they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema. [00:51]
decimation someone has the privkey [00:51]
Hasimir well, yes, because you're looking more closely [00:51]
mircea_popescu decimation sure. so ? [00:52]
mircea_popescu Hasimir exactly. [00:52]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --buttchina [00:54]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [00:54]
decimation it will be interesting to see what the court rules on this [00:54]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttchina [00:54]
mircea_popescu jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon << nb, nb [00:54]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.32941, Best ask: 236.334255, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 236.327795, 24 hour volume: 16115.88970000, 24 hour low: 234.748325, 24 hour high: 237.342015, 24 hour vwap: 235.934384743 [00:54]
mircea_popescu i like cryptome but they have too much shit [00:54]
decimation I suspect usg will withdraw because they don't want the court to rule that thier little export regulation house of cards is unconstitutional [00:55]
decimation it provides jobs, see [00:55]
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* BingoBoingo watching asciilifeform's suggested movie [00:56]
mircea_popescu depends. they didn't withdraw the obamacare taxnontax [00:56]
decimation yeah but that's because obama would have personally lost face [00:56]
decimation obama can pretend he doesn't even know what these people are talking about [00:56]
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mircea_popescu Hasimir: cool, will do << for the record, this non-readable dump of text stuff is annoying. [00:57]
decimation at any rate, the pro-gun lobby in the us is quite strong and well funded, it generally levels political opposition [00:57]
mircea_popescu if you must include blobs, include them apart from whatever it is you're deed-ing [00:57]
Hasimir ah [00:57]
BingoBoingo Also in USia Nagant, SKS, and other curios with bayonets already mounted ++ [00:59]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [01:01]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142468 << wait, wut ?! mandatory voting ? [01:02]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 23:31:13; cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one [01:02]
mircea_popescu what is this, iran ? [01:02]
Hasimir deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:02]
Hasimir !up deedbot- [01:02]
Hasimir guess not [01:02]
BingoBoingo OMG asciilifeform movie night [01:02]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:03]
Hasimir mircea_popescu, yeah, aus has mandatory enrolment for voting and fines if you don't show up to vote (or postal vote) [01:03]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:03]
Hasimir deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:03]
Hasimir snap [01:03]
mircea_popescu lol poor bot [01:03]
mircea_popescu i gues next bot is gangbot [01:04]
BingoBoingo motorcycle gangbot? [01:04]
Hasimir oh, you didn't ... [01:04]
mircea_popescu o check me out, i have the day's first line in log. yay. [01:04]
Hasimir anyway, no doubt you can giggle at the content of the paste and at least the first submission is included for future reference [01:06]
Hasimir does anyone remember which LEA he was with? [01:06]
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mircea_popescu http://sixdemonbag.org/yomu.html << the sad story about how some schmuck got scammed by the schmuck he was doing drm for. [01:07]
trinque Hasimir: try that again [01:07]
Hasimir deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:07]
mircea_popescu somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind. [01:07]
trinque Hasimir: weird, your last one went in [01:08]
Hasimir go figure [01:08]
Hasimir maybe it just hates me [01:08]
trinque deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:08]
trinque nope, encoding blowup [01:09]
Hasimir it doesn't like utf-8? [01:09]
Hasimir or something else? [01:09]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f39a00565b6bc90bc830a013627759d7/tumblr_mvn1sbt4hi1s1mfkzo1_400.gif [01:09]
cazalla Hasimir, is the enrollment actually mandatory? i know of people that never enrolled so they never actually had to vote or become religious on the day of it [01:10]
trinque Hasimir: python needs its tits kicked in regards to eating a u2026 [01:10]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scorp+Tits | "We were all having a good time at the lake until ole fatass Tungette's Scorp Tits kicked in again. Damn I thought Jeff was gonna try and find a blowtorch to burn ... [01:10]
Hasimir trinque, python 3 ftw! [01:10]
trinque eh, incrementally better [01:11]
scoopbot_revived Social Engineering Attack Takes Bitcoin Talk Offline http://qntra.net/2015/05/social-engineering-attack-takes-bitcoin-talk-offline/ [01:11]
mircea_popescu lolwut ? [01:11]
Hasimir cazalla, it's supposed to be, but if you avoid it then there's nothing they can do [01:11]
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Hasimir trinque, it does handle utf-8 much better then 2 ever could [01:12]
Hasimir but if you're sticking with 2.7, use: from __future__ import unicode_literals [01:13]
decimation why bother with unicode at all? [01:13]
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mircea_popescu ^ [01:13]
trinque Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg though. [01:13]
Hasimir decimation, I like to print people's names correctly, to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude [01:13]
mircea_popescu they should be thankful the names don't get translated! [01:14]
decimation do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ... to be polite? [01:14]
mircea_popescu ye hear that, phteven ? [01:15]
decimation and if someone has a name that can't be romanized? fuck'em - they can romanize or have no identity [01:15]
Hasimir decimation, I prefer to view it as a new (event) horizon [01:15]
mircea_popescu a new what ? [01:16]
BingoBoingo So watching 'Mean Girls' (2004) seems asciilifeform likes authentic Maoism in his films [01:16]
mircea_popescu decimation we're not enforcing that policy re irc handles tho [01:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143160 << l0l, not even sure what counts as the most recent [01:17]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema. [01:17]
decimation are we using utf or extended ascii [01:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform :) [01:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo after mean girls see http://trilema.com/2012/mean-streets/ [01:17]
mircea_popescu should be an interesting study in contrasts. [01:17]
mircea_popescu (pretty much exactly same story, separated by two decades and a gender gap_ [01:18]
mircea_popescu decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode takes. [01:18]
decimation irc handles aren't an identity, gpg keys are [01:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143206 << i bet he just wanted to eat, pay rent. [01:19]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind. [01:19]
mircea_popescu so your deedbot is going to break over someone citing a nick ? [01:19]
mircea_popescu "I walked out of the back office in a state of absolute shock. I’d just become a twenty–first century sharecropper. I couldn’t find outside work without winding up homeless — and I couldn’t leave the state because three bucks of gas money won’t get you past Walnut Creek — and I couldn’t get paid because there was no money to pay anyone with." [01:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ [01:19]
mircea_popescu drm. [01:19]
trinque mircea_popescu: over non-latin1 characters, for now [01:20]
trinque though that's something I'll fix. [01:20]
trinque will involve dropping a dependency and writing something in its place [01:20]
mircea_popescu what you mean by deep in gpg py bowels ? is it exploitable even ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu looks like he gave you your weekend's entertainment [01:20]
trinque nah, the python thing diddling gpg is just trying to [01:22]
trinque whoops [01:22]
decimation just turn 8-bit ascii characters into tildes [01:22]
trinque trying to encode some bits as latin1, and there are characters in this outside that set [01:22]
* asciilifeform recalls mr mold's attempt at squaring zooko's tri. - speakable keys [01:22]
trinque so it barfs [01:22]
decimation does deedbot need to be 8-bit clean? [01:22]
* asciilifeform recalls own implementation of it, http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ [01:22]
trinque decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8; the sqlite db it munches on is [01:23]
trinque just a python annoyance [01:23]
mircea_popescu decimation tilde wont sign [01:23]
Hasimir trinque, oh, is this the python-gnupg gpg.encoding thing? [01:23]
decimation eh, it's you code, do what you will. [01:23]
Hasimir yeah, setting that to latin-1 just works with everything ... [01:23]
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trinque Hasimir: yeah [01:23]
Hasimir well, mostly [01:23]
Hasimir I think I might've submitted the bug report on that one ... [01:24]
trinque heh! [01:24]
trinque found the mention of it in the docs [01:24]
trinque is there a workaround? [01:24]
decimation yeah, 7 bit ascii [01:24]
trinque ah I see how you can set it [01:24]
Hasimir that is the work around [01:24]
trinque decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii too; what's the argument behind that? [01:24]
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decimation I don't trust 8-bit character handling code [01:24]
trinque ah, well at least with this thing the output's able to be checked, neh? [01:25]
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Hasimir that's one of the reasons I started looking at pyme ... [01:25]
trinque if there are messages out there that are interesting to deedbot in other encodings, they'd otherwise be excluded [01:25]
Hasimir well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys [01:25]
Hasimir yep [01:26]
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Hasimir it's in one of the bitbucket t=issues [01:26]
Hasimir *issues [01:26]
trinque deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt [01:26]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [01:26]
Hasimir yay [01:26]
trinque Hasimir: thanks! [01:26]
Hasimir np [01:26]
Hasimir I believe that falls into the category of enlightened self-interest ;) [01:27]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [01:27]
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BingoBoingo "Everyone in Africa can read Swedish" [01:38]
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BingoBoingo OMG the CRT iMAcs in this film [01:52]
danielpbarron i have 2 of those [01:53]
asciilifeform wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' [01:55]
asciilifeform emac [01:55]
asciilifeform l0l [01:55]
asciilifeform that 's' just came out for no reason [01:55]
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asciilifeform point being, i have always wanted to see an 'm-mac' [01:55]
asciilifeform that is - mechanical. [01:55]
asciilifeform ('e' in 'emac' clearly is 'electric') [01:55]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style. [02:12]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome [02:12]
asciilifeform because, well, they could. [02:13]
asciilifeform that'd be why. [02:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143071 << now curious, which 'this' [02:15]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow [02:15]
asciilifeform because there are several 'this'es [02:15]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143076 << obligatory mega-classic >> http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021 [02:16]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru [02:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform we were idly discussing the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out that so far it could be a lotta things [02:23]
mircea_popescu all the way up to an afore-unknown property of the mathematical structures involved. [02:23]
BingoBoingo wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' << Generally eMac was previous year's "iMac" [02:26]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style. << Court Pissed all over Chicago on this matter [02:27]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome [02:27]
cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgQITcfJd0 [02:27]
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BingoBoingo Surprisingly educational film, do reccomend [02:33]
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BingoBoingo OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older than Cady!!! [02:38]
Hasimir mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated thing and noticed something, it won't give you the answer, but it might help narrow the search - read through the code and code comments in g10/import.c of the current master repo, it goes through the specific key error types and subkey fragment types that gpg won't import (which also happens to be most of the keys on The List) [02:38]
* BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance tonight. WOrks for endrunkening [02:42]
Hasimir also, see if you can test this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED (another one missing a UID, but in this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...) [02:42]
Hasimir the other way to find that one, even without the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au [02:43]
cazalla http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3091370/Recent-Berkeley-grad-waited-parking-lot-gun-manager-N-forced-work-fast-food-couldn-t-job-degree.html [02:44]
BingoBoingo WTF is wrong with pissing in the freezer and then quitting [02:52]
Hasimir BingoBoingo, if it's too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking the ice would not be a good thing then [03:03]
BingoBoingo Hasimir: As much as I drink, not sure my piss would freeze at zero [03:04]
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mircea_popescu Hasimir minus the fact that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import the diddled exponent keys yeah [03:09]
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Hasimir and it usually gives different errors for those it rejects, which you can match to specific symptoms in the code [03:10]
mircea_popescu much more interesting would be an assay of the various windows and perhaps mac implementations [03:10]
mircea_popescu as very few here actually have either. [03:11]
Hasimir I've got os x [03:11]
Hasimir and I'm running 1.4.19 and 2.1.4 [03:11]
Hasimir though 1.4.19 has been adjusted to generate large keys [03:12]
mircea_popescu yeah thinking more of 1.4.x [03:12]
mircea_popescu single digit [03:12]
mircea_popescu these keys come from 2009 at earliest iirc [03:12]
Hasimir I can always recompile an older version ... [03:12]
mircea_popescu even just reading the code is worthwhile. [03:14]
Hasimir ah-ha! finally! [03:15]
Hasimir now 2.1.4 is modded to make stupidly large keys too ... [03:16]
* BingoBoingo threw in a bunch of fucking 1990's 512 an 76X keys... [03:18]
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BingoBoingo Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a targeted manner... stronger than turd keys [03:20]
Hasimir v2 keys are pretty simple, though [03:21]
BingoBoingo v2 is beneath justifying effort [03:22]
Hasimir and 512-bit, are you surprised? [03:22]
BingoBoingo Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest [03:22]
Hasimir heh, fair point [03:23]
Hasimir though chances are No Such Agency have already broken the old ones out of habit [03:23]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:23]
BingoBoingo Almost inevitabru [03:23]
Hasimir no doubt they've also trawled archives of alt.anon.messages [03:23]
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BingoBoingo Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of tactical nukes in a Disney movie [03:45]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin [03:52]
gabriel_laddel g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi [03:52]
gabriel_laddel re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk). [03:52]
gabriel_laddel ty BingoBoingo [03:52]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol [03:52]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed to suffer hetrogyny [03:52]
mircea_popescu "tin women" [03:52]
gabriel_laddel ^ yep. [03:52]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf, [03:53]
gabriel_laddel why?). [03:53]
* BingoBoingo is horribru with money x-cept when I am awesome [03:53]
gabriel_laddel trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching. [03:53]
gabriel_laddel trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ? [03:53]
gabriel_laddel trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it. [03:53]
gabriel_laddel trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol [03:53]
gabriel_laddel ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ... [03:53]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. << ftr, I see this as progress. Knowing macrofab exists and having a working relationship is useful. [03:53]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production? [03:53]
gabriel_laddel *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t [03:54]
gabriel_laddel hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem [03:54]
BingoBoingo BESERKER!!! [03:54]
gabriel_laddel ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests [03:54]
gabriel_laddel etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi [03:54]
gabriel_laddel ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd. [03:54]
gabriel_laddel I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I [03:54]
gabriel_laddel DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in [03:54]
gabriel_laddel real time, a plug-and-play solution for doing research for chemists, physicists and mathematicians. Some people are asking the right questions (http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/27246/in-which-country-is-it-allowed-to-practice-non-clandestine-amateur-chemistry, http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/18791/why-isnt-organic-chemistr [03:54]
gabriel_laddel y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better. [03:54]
gabriel_laddel To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng [03:54]
gabriel_laddel ineers is to remove idiotic nonsense (OpenGL, Gentoo, Portage) from their lives. If you think OpenGL isn't a huge time sink, think again: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-5-2 [03:54]
mircea_popescu omg wall fo text man [03:54]
BingoBoingo *nix simply doesn't cost [03:54]
mircea_popescu you gotta blog. [03:54]
gabriel_laddel I've got a blog [03:55]
BingoBoingo A/UX, Solaris 8, AIX, *BSD, no cost dude [03:55]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: try reading the message pl0x [03:55]
BingoBoingo Will get to, drinking Missery wine [03:56]
* BingoBoingo dunno how you pronounce that state [03:56]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel portage already exists. not only would i not pay for it, i'd pay to have whoever packages gentoo atm whipped. [03:56]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: portage doesn't work [03:57]
gabriel_laddel sure, it exists [03:57]
mircea_popescu mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$. [03:58]
mircea_popescu the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun. [03:59]
gabriel_laddel holy fucking god almighty [03:59]
gabriel_laddel "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..." [03:59]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i was replying to " you wouldn't shell over $100 for it?" strictly. [04:00]
mircea_popescu i don't believe that's the only approach, nor did i think it actually was yours, before encountering that line. [04:00]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: okay [04:01]
gabriel_laddel people buy industrial chemicals, do they not? [04:02]
gabriel_laddel how is buying an actually working package manager any different? [04:02]
gabriel_laddel "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it" [04:03]
mircea_popescu as discussed in my example. [04:03]
mircea_popescu people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" [04:03]
mircea_popescu if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all. [04:04]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Reagents have mass... *nix lax mass [04:06]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it [04:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ironically, if it's any good it does lack it. if it actually sells then it has it, which is what windows is, basically. [04:07]
mircea_popescu ;;google sublime text [04:07]
gribble Sublime Text: The text editor you'll fall in love with: ; Sublime Text - Download: ; Sublime Text 3: [04:07]
mircea_popescu ... [04:07]
gabriel_laddel It's moronic fyi [04:07]
mircea_popescu this would be in the category of ipad jackpot simulators i guess. [04:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the mass Windows sell for is its scleroisis [04:07]
mircea_popescu ayup [04:07]
BingoBoingo Seriously A/UX, Solaris 8/9, FreeBSD(ANY) all massless and free [04:08]
gabriel_laddel people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite [04:09]
gabriel_laddel also, people buy chemistry classes [04:09]
mircea_popescu yes, they buy classes, and no hyperchem lite is not Chemistry. [04:10]
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mircea_popescu but if your thing needs classes you conceivably failed by your own criteria. [04:10]
BingoBoingo H2F, H2S04, and Urushiol are all very different very dangerous problems [04:10]
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gabriel_laddel I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"? [04:11]
mircea_popescu among other things, i am saying that people only move to america if it's free. if it's not free they stay home. [04:12]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Nah, because people do pay for chemistry. Just the paid parts f chemistry have no portage analogues [04:12]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Hrm. Interesting argument. [04:13]
mircea_popescu not saying that money can't be made out of america, obviously. [04:14]
BingoBoingo So, local missouri/illinois wines... not so bad if they are white [04:14]
gabriel_laddel one just has to be selling shovels and pickaxes [04:14]
mircea_popescu but, essentially, hard to guess by whom. [04:14]
mircea_popescu the first railroad company didn't make money, tho railroad was a money maker eventually. [04:14]
mircea_popescu symbolics died. the original apple died. [04:15]
mircea_popescu the spanish invented the new world mostly to make the dutch (and their later english colony) richer for it. etc. [04:15]
gabriel_laddel well that's the game isn't it? [04:15]
BingoBoingo Punch trees, get wood [04:15]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel that is a game for much older and richer folk than you, to create a new world. [04:15]
mircea_popescu which is exactly the full blown version of my original doubts. [04:16]
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BingoBoingo So, Illinois moscato... WOuld make great salad dressing [04:19]
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mircea_popescu http://www.gca.org/ wouldja look at that! [04:21]
cazalla BingoBoingo drinking wine? never! [04:21]
mircea_popescu and at some point not so long ago this was supposedly a big fucking deal. [04:21]
mircea_popescu now that they buried the world under their xml crapolade, they can just go away. nobody's going to go "hey, the shit sucked!111" NOW. [04:21]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Purging all the local shit from the premises [04:21]
mircea_popescu and back then it was all "nowai it rocks!111 time will show!!1" [04:21]
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BingoBoingo williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for [04:29]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://www.joereiss.net/geek/geek.html [04:38]
BingoBoingo Vexual: I'll be your mision to the end of the line [04:41]
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BingoBoingo There is nothing more whorifying than 'Murica [04:48]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Present teen movie in binge is "bring it on" [04:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=7 << kudos for sf that while outrageous, is at least entertainingly non-retarded. [04:52]
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BingoBoingo Any volunteer who can put the mass in ass??? [04:55]
BingoBoingo OMG asciilifeform has me watching all the teen movies [05:02]
BingoBoingo Ah asciilifeform films, Missy is the poo so take a big wiff [05:08]
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BingoBoingo Eliza Dushku, the Jews, and the hard problems [05:15]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell asciilifeform here's a thought : we had 15 broken keys when phuctor had seen 159k keys ; and we have 19 now, it's just a shade under 200k. curious if the 1 in 10k thing keeps throughout the 4mn [05:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:22]
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kakobrekla wot is free [15:38]
Kalki Nm I will look later [15:38]
Kalki Oh ok [15:39]
Kalki Yeah thought so [15:39]
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mircea_popescu unless gabriel_laddel finds a way to charge for it... [15:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol did a key become unfactored ? [15:39]
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mircea_popescu by the way, for the putative folk with a rediscovered number theory fondness among the readers : https://primes.utm.edu/notes/conjectures/ is not bad. [15:49]
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mircea_popescu especially seeing how plenty of the conjectures that are still open problems are around a century old. [15:49]
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ben_vulpes is gabriel_laddel's business model really that bad? [16:11]
ben_vulpes professional services and licenses for the custom ware the software so produced run on? [16:11]
trinque ben_vulpes: he's apparently going to help me install his masamune this weekend [16:11]
ben_vulpes oooh [16:11]
ben_vulpes can i come [16:11]
trinque sure [16:11]
trinque I found his repo, built it and bitched that it didn't work :D [16:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00029268 = 17.7657 BTC [+] {2} [16:12]
trinque WIP, no shame in that [16:12]
trinque and no, I personally don't think anyone will ever pay for such a thing enough to sustain its development [16:12]
trinque gotta bolt it to some service he'd provide with the thing that's desirable on its own [16:13]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. [16:14]
mircea_popescu the notion that one'll make money from "licenses" in the future... heh. not such a great plan. [16:15]
trinque mircea_popescu: I take that as "we'll figure out the business model later" when I hear it [16:15]
mircea_popescu he did seem of the "i feel like hacking on this so fu" persuasion. [16:15]
mircea_popescu nttawwt, especially at his age [16:15]
trinque "people pay for me; I have value" [16:16]
trinque ok [16:16]
trinque :D [16:16]
trinque yeah my mother has no problem with me living on her couch either; doesn't mean I do it [16:16]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.314-67.436 [16:17]
mircea_popescu sadly, in romanian. [16:17]
trinque also the selection thing is scrolling to the paragraph involved, but not selecting [16:18]
mircea_popescu so much weird in the browsers.... [16:18]
trinque Chrome 42.0.2311.152 (64-bit) Gentoo [16:18]
trinque yup, errata everywhere [16:18]
mircea_popescu if any of you ever getting unexpected behaviour feel for some unknown reason a compulsion to debug the whys and wherefores, i would certainly listen [16:18]
mircea_popescu but i can't be sending people on this snipe expedition because i am a poorfag. [16:19]
mircea_popescu hiring interview "mr X we will need you to debug all the browsers." "that's fine, but i will need all the moneys" "we only have a fraction of the moneys" "then i can debug a fraction of the browsers" "well... that isn't useful is it now." [16:20]
trinque heh, I was just mentioning elsewhere that the only right way to write browser JS is in the mode of a schizoid paranoiac, suspecting all but the most basic features of it of trying to steal your precious bodily fluids [16:21]
trinque mircea_popescu: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 419 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0). [16:26]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:26]
trinque the line which is 623 on trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ [16:26]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.316-67.434 ? [16:27]
trinque Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 118 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0). [16:27]
trinque borken maffs? [16:27]
mircea_popescu for chrome only ?! [16:27]
trinque that JS does have the human hair, glue and googly eyes look to it [16:28]
trinque mircea_popescu: if I call scrollToHash in the console myself, it works [16:33]
trinque smells like a race condition [16:33]
mircea_popescu weird. [16:33]
mircea_popescu jurov well it is at the end of the page. [16:36]
jurov i'd expect such problems still [16:37]
jurov one of these "schizoid paranoiac" things i rather always follow [16:38]
trinque jurov: he's got a delay in there of 500ms [16:39]
jurov ah. just my 2 satoshi [16:40]
trinque all this checking for null shit... beatings [16:40]
trinque when you JS, you must resist the temptation to think like JS, haha [16:41]
trinque no prototype chains, no "new", no nothing [16:42]
mircea_popescu nothing is a js thing ? [16:46]
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jurov different kinds of [16:47]
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trinque mircea_popescu: I'd use something like this to fire it off https://github.com/dperini/ContentLoaded/blob/master/src/contentloaded.js [16:59]
trinque "are your really, really, really ready browser?" [16:59]
mircea_popescu obviously i read dperini as derperini [16:59]
trinque lol [17:00]
mircea_popescu no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul. [17:00]
trinque window.onload = initScrollToHash; [17:00]
trinque setTimeout(initScrollToHash, 500); [17:00]
trinque ^ looks like hax trying to deal with it [17:00]
trinque he's saying run it at whatever the browser thinks load is, and also 500ms later because reasons [17:01]
trinque classic JS programmer tic [17:01]
mircea_popescu heh [17:01]
trinque and also, it works for me on certain pages, not others [17:01]
mircea_popescu win. [17:01]
trinque so 500ms is likely not enough... sometimes [17:02]
mircea_popescu does it work on same page if reload ? [17:02]
trinque mircea_popescu: jquery literally spin-checks to work around this [17:02]
jurov a clue: i get delayed errors for avatars in chrome console. maybe it's related [17:02]
trinque mircea_popescu: no, does not work on the original page in question [17:02]
trinque after refresh [17:03]
jurov if it won't work till all avatars load, that would explain why it works on some pages [17:03]
mircea_popescu so what, doesn't make dom available until the missing linked images timeout ? [17:03]
mircea_popescu that's classy. [17:03]
jurov yeah that's sooo derpy [17:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143542 << aaaannnd here we go. [17:04]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 09:42:10; scoopbot_revived: Bitfinex Hot Wallet Possibly Compromised http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/ [17:04]
trinque ah! [17:04]
trinque yeah, looks to be "page with comments == borken" [17:04]
trinque that holds after a bit of spot checking [17:05]
trinque yup, I thought at first it was "long page", but newp, works fine on long pages long as there aren't comments [17:05]
mircea_popescu yeah tis missing avatars. [17:05]
mircea_popescu i'm not fixing this. [17:05]
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trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74dJMT75csk [17:06]
mircea_popescu jurov better hurry up with that wine, bingo's asleep and cazalla not up yet. [17:06]
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mircea_popescu b-a is trying to keep one guy drunk at all times, a sort of olympic... flame. [17:07]
trinque this browser thing needs a look someday, has to go [17:09]
jurov obsolete all browsers! [17:11]
trinque n+1 standards! [17:11]
trinque haha [17:11]
trinque but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done [17:13]
scoopbot_revived The Bed Sitting Room http://trilema.com/2015/the-bed-sitting-room/ [17:13]
jurov trinque: are you aware what was ecmascript inspired by? [17:13]
trinque I sure am [17:13]
trinque "inspired" [17:13]
trinque jurov: eich even said it shoulda been a scheme later [17:13]
trinque but forget the whole dom braindamage; that probably would've remained if he had [17:14]
trinque just gimme drawing in a rectangle, and let people write higher level widgetry things atop that [17:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143587 << yeah i dun see how that's in their defense. [17:16]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 13:41:19; Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P [17:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143589 << wait, srsly ?! [17:17]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 13:42:24; Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account [17:17]
Adlai ya srsly [17:17]
* Adlai currently has negative net bitcoin debt [17:17]
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mircea_popescu sigh. [17:18]
mircea_popescu then "everyone" (of the idiots) is simply copying their "price" and then the world derps abouit how "capitalism creates economic cycles" [17:19]
jurov bitcoinica forever [17:19]
mircea_popescu no dude. capitalism is not involved. stop being a herd of idiots wtf. [17:19]
mircea_popescu this is like "decentralization doesn't work becasue we all used the same copy of decentralized software and got ownered" [17:19]
Adlai who's copying what price? [17:19]
Adlai last i checked 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE [17:20]
mircea_popescu Adlai isn't buttfinex the one of the web exchanges with the largest random number published under "volume" ? [17:20]
Adlai they at least charge their customers for helping them boost that number [17:20]
mircea_popescu allegedly. [17:20]
Adlai either way, their order book has been crossing at an increasingly frequent rate [17:21]
Adlai screenshots all over the reddits, for the curious [17:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143625 x.x [17:22]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 14:24:52; mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF. [17:22]
mircea_popescu Adlai it's actually in my reports, too. the part i hadn't read thereof. [17:22]
* mircea_popescu has been skipping the web exchanges header for... months, now. [17:22]
* Adlai has brought scalpl for some drydock, next voyage planned for the cross-chain seas [17:23]
jurov any stats how much it made? [17:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143634 << yeah fo sho. [17:24]
Adlai no [17:24]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 14:29:20; asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup' [17:24]
mircea_popescu how goes mats ? [17:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143652 "the path to truth is correctly hiding all the places we're lying to ourselves!" [17:26]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 14:57:39; jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw [17:26]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143669 << this is a largest concern. [17:27]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 15:03:03; asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly [17:27]
mircea_popescu it's not only that it wears off quickly, it wears off as a function of... HOW MUCH IT DETECTED [17:27]
Adlai jurov: there's lots of data, but motivation to do anything scalpl-related is currently at all-time lows [17:27]
jurov where were we with S.MPOE? [17:28]
jurov it was not feasible or? [17:28]
* Adlai wanted to build a simulator to check feasibility [17:28]
mircea_popescu tandem arrangements can to some degree help, but it gets rapidly iffy (tandem arrangements of radiation detectors are fundamentally looking at the same event, at least some of the time - not so with electronic noise like cardano measures, where tandem detectors are actually looking at distinct events) [17:28]
jurov ohno... this mpex simulator stuff again [17:29]
Adlai it's not necessary, but the alternative is to not simulate, which requires an account [17:30]
jurov i can give you access to mpexagent [17:31]
Adlai !s mpexagent [17:31]
assbot 7 results for 'mpexagent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpexagent [17:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143704 << the problem with multiplication in these ethereal numeric bodies is that it has about as many gotchas as memory allocation in c. and most of them plenty unintuitive. [17:32]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 15:23:45; Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour [17:32]
mircea_popescu who the fuck knows what exactly multiplying the exponent by a factor in the key does. [17:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143709 << lmao! [17:33]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 15:28:17; chetty: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/technology/adult-friendfinder-hacked/index.html [17:33]
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mircea_popescu mp does fetlife, weev does aff. i guess i lose out huh. [17:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143748 << golden standard is what alf presented, oscilloscope coupling [17:37]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 17:49:51; jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter? [17:37]
jurov so ben_vulpes will then use camera to get the random bits off osciloscope? [17:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143773 << lol [17:38]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 18:19:06; jurov: quite an arrangement, this [17:38]
mircea_popescu jurov i just meant the type of coupling! [17:38]
mircea_popescu hateur [17:38]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, asciilifeform & all : is b-a pgp going to use vsh for hashing ? [17:45]
Adlai (... but this requires customized JSON parser at the receiving side, that isn't always practical.) << pffffff (setf json:*real-handler* (lambda (string) (parse-float string :type 'rational))) [17:46]
mircea_popescu apparently it goes with cramer-shoup [17:46]
mircea_popescu !s cramer-shoup [17:46]
assbot 6 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup [17:46]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, jurov's wine is safe, i prefer a half dozen cup of teas in the morning, not wine [18:13]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_modem [18:24]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_modem for 30 minutes. [18:24]
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ascii_modem vsh << good but we want it in tandem with, e.g., whirlpool [18:24]
mircea_popescu yes [18:25]
ascii_modem hash with each, concat, sign [18:25]
mircea_popescu well not sure abotu concat [18:25]
ascii_modem rng sampling << shift register , external clock, optocouplers [18:26]
ascii_modem not hard (tm) [18:26]
ascii_modem unfactored ?! << see log [18:28]
mircea_popescu yeh i saw. awell [18:28]
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trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?* [18:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:38]
trinque gabriel_laddel | trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol << ftr this is exactly why I said this [18:39]
trinque "yeah I could see people buying this" is not a sales strategy [18:39]
trinque what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do [18:40]
trinque and try to land the client first, don't just assume it'll happen when you're ready [18:40]
trinque I've had deals that took two years to close [18:40]
trinque strike that, four on one [18:40]
trinque then you set up your contract with them such that they're paying for the specific tool, and establish with them that the license for that is distinct from the one for Masamune [18:42]
trinque and the above is by no means saying that'd be easy [18:42]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143710 <<< that site got me laid quite a few times [18:44]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 15:29:17; asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?! [18:44]
cazalla was sorta like tinder for people like me in their 20's 10 years ago [18:45]
mircea_popescu http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=11 << and sadly, it died. [18:47]
mircea_popescu seriously, you "can't spy on military" because magic ? srsly, "time is his for the asking" for being FAMOUS ? gtfo. [18:47]
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kakobrekla http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/ < something is off with the link to bc.info ? [19:24]
scoopbot_revived The 787 experience. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/22/the-787-experience/ [19:26]
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cazalla kakobrekla, should work now, https://blockchain.info/address/17owg8RWb73qfE5HeQk6gg6RAgEUfxPXks is the address anyway [19:30]
kakobrekla more buttcoin dripping in [19:31]
mircea_popescu lulzy [19:31]
funkenstein_ ah man I wish I were in Zurri now too [19:33]
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trinque http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/21/8634437/google-internet-of-things-software-report << coupla companies releasing "internet of things" operating systems. I've said a few times that this is a good market entrypoint for a small lisp machine [19:36]
trinque right alongside a bunch of competitors that are going to get brutalized by hackers [19:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, all the nontrivial factors found have very interesting binary symmetries. [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 4.1 : 17742509903907 = 1000000100011 0000000000000000000 1000000100011 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 4.2 : 4294967297 = 100000000000000000000000000000001 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 5.1 : 7301444404 = 1101100 11001100 11001100 1100110100 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 5.2 : 270582939711 = 111111 00000000000000000000000000 111111 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 6.1 : like key 4.2. [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 6.1 : absent [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 7.1 : 98784247831 = 1011100000000000000000000000000010111 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 7.2 : 30064771079 = 11100000000000000000000000000000111 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 8.1 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 8.2 : 21474836485 = 10100000000000000000000000000000101 [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 9.1 : like key 4.2. [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 9.2 : absent [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 10.1 : 4294967297 = like key 4.2. [19:42]
mircea_popescu key 10.2 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011 [19:42]
kakobrekla looks like comic ray to me. [19:43]
mircea_popescu let's try and count the types. first, there's two types with key 4.2. type T1.1 like 4.x and 10.x, which include a central symmetry factor 2nd key ; type T1.2 like 6.x and 9.x which does not [19:43]
mircea_popescu then there's central symmetry like in 7.1 or 4.2, but there's also simple repeating like in 4.1 [19:43]
mircea_popescu and some keys are made of modules with two central symmetry factors, whereas some other keys only include one [19:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla verily. [19:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58697 @ 0.0002805 = 16.4645 BTC [+] {2} [19:49]
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funkenstein_ whoa palindromic primes [19:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53561 @ 0.00028575 = 15.3051 BTC [+] {2} [19:54]
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scoopbot_revived Six Months In, OKCoin Relinquish Control Of Bitcoin.com http://qntra.net/2015/05/six-months-in-okcoin-relinquish-control-of-bitcoin-com/ [20:00]
funkenstein_ big congrats go out to phuctor team from dwarven contingency [20:02]
funkenstein_ is there a story to go with the triangle on the middle finger? [20:02]
funkenstein_ the diode? [20:03]
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jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html propped up...but it looks no one signed someone's other patch yet? [20:46]
ben_vulpes mmm i have [20:57]
jurov can you tell where/when? [20:58]
ben_vulpes right before the release [20:58]
ben_vulpes xmitted a *mess* of resigned patches [20:58]
ben_vulpes probably fucked it up some way [20:59]
jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html this, i guess [21:00]
jurov looks like you haven't used the patch IDs [21:00]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ the what now ? [21:02]
mircea_popescu hanbot yeah actually, not bad heuristic. [21:02]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupidly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not [21:02]
ben_vulpes send this code around to anyone [21:03]
mircea_popescu if anyone feels like downloading phuctor's P and trying all these types of divisors on it see if we already contain one [21:03]
ben_vulpes else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts [21:03]
mircea_popescu seeing how it wouldn't trigger unless we find two [21:03]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and how do you distinguish who squelched ? [21:03]
ben_vulpes y'can't, i know. [21:03]
ben_vulpes but for a bezzleplay, it ain't bad. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i don't get how it'd work. [21:04]
mircea_popescu https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << i suspec this is representative of what we'll be seeing in future in any btc-for-general-public venue. [21:04]
Adlai "phuctor's P" << you mean Π(∀n) ? [21:05]
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mircea_popescu abject begging. sort-of like what englishman venturng in asia would see. [21:05]
mircea_popescu Adlai yes [21:05]
Adlai ie http://nosuchlabs.com/prod [21:05]
Adlai RIP assbot [21:05]
ben_vulpes BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services to make it happen and another chunk of cash for the software already written. [21:05]
ben_vulpes "you may use this yourself, diddle its internals as you see fit, but you may not distribute it to others" [21:05]
jurov ben_vulpes: can you explain what exactly you produced signatures of? [21:05]
ben_vulpes it's a fiat contract, not a serenissima contract. [21:05]
mircea_popescu and once a third party has it, what do you do ? [21:05]
mircea_popescu "clearly, you breahed the contract" "did not" < unresolvable dispute [21:06]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: same thing microsoft does. 'you have a copy of my software, pay up' [21:06]
mircea_popescu orly. [21:06]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [21:06]
ben_vulpes focus on milking the fools and don't worry about the cheaters. [21:06]
mircea_popescu then all software will be bitcoin gems. [21:07]
ben_vulpes bezzleplay, mircea_popescu. [21:07]
ben_vulpes jurov: i signed the patches as i downloaded them with my mail client. [21:08]
ben_vulpes no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul. << WELCOME, BROTHER [21:09]
jurov then why are all .tar.gz.sig? [21:09]
ben_vulpes must be extreme derpitude [21:10]
ben_vulpes i'll redo them all. [21:10]
jurov yes. pls mind the instructions about file naming so that the filename contains original patch ID [21:12]
ben_vulpes so sorry. [21:12]
jurov it's a bit complicated and i don't know how to make it better [21:12]
ben_vulpes derping against complicated processes is my lot in life [21:13]
jurov going off, later! [21:13]
ben_vulpes night jurov [21:13]
trinque ben_vulpes | BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services << this may work if the service is training, not masamune [21:18]
scoopbot_revived happy friday! http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/22_happy-friday.html [21:18]
trinque we build your training program, happens to be in this thing, how bout that [21:19]
trinque selling the distro sounds like certain death [21:19]
trinque incidentally this was one of the angles we were trying to work out with PSU re: daterbase [21:20]
trinque did not work out, at least up til when I left [21:20]
trinque wrote this whole interactive notebook thing for learning SQL [21:21]
trinque I think in the best scenario, you've just got enough revenue to float an R&D department, and you stick a few guys on it [21:25]
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cazalla ;;later tell bingoboingo probably scam but ya boy pac-man is fronting a bitcoin sportsbook https://vitalbet.com/#/esports [21:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:36]
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cazalla bwahha more of that twitter ad trolling http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/20/twitter-users-shown-transphobic-promoted-tweet/ [22:00]
mircea_popescu not every dislike is a phobia. to say nothing of "insufficiently enthused tolerance" [22:10]
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scoopbot_revived The "universal" RSA keys http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys/ [22:27]
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mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/?p=4 << and a very young alf. [22:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00028365 = 5.8021 BTC [-] [22:59]
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decimation http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/05/cia-closing-its-main-climate-research-program < lol obama put his intel on 'climate change' [23:18]
decimation because serious busienss [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77904 @ 0.00028912 = 22.5236 BTC [+] {2} [23:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47091 @ 0.00029207 = 13.7539 BTC [+] [23:37]
trinque "The Loper OS Project aims to remake computing. I am aware that others have tried and failed. Laughing? The job is not nearly as difficult as it sounds." << woah, there was an optimistic alf [23:39]
trinque :D [23:39]
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decimation yum install python-alsa [23:56]
decimation do [23:57]
decimation doh [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69235 @ 0.00028124 = 19.4717 BTC [-] {2} [23:58]
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