Forum logs for 22 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

benkay	i always figured that was the insane war chest they have and the mountain of paper under which they'd bury anyone.	[00:00]
benkay	i guess tho that's an artifact of operating in an environment where they're not held liable for their work?	[00:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00080505 = 8.8556 BTC [+] {2}	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	i'd say that more likely.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	all in the name of "open society of knowledge" and "progress" and generally speaking the mistaken view that exploring the space of opportunities is more valuable than staying in one piece	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	basically, "self-seeking" addicted college kids being given the reins of the country.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things.	[00:03]
decimation	yes, much ruin was brought by that generation	[00:04]
asciilifeform	von neumann cpu, 'c' ~= chinese backyard steel	[00:04]
asciilifeform	everybody can get behind the impalement of author of 'heartbleed' but problem goes deeper.	[00:05]
decimation	imagine if you could be publicly executed for distributing heartbleed	[00:05]
decimation	everyone from the programmer down to the bios writer	[00:05]
decimation	do you think comptuer archs would change?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	they would have to	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	for physical lack of who to continue.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	or programmers would be shot every day, like nork army colonels	[00:06]
asciilifeform	and people would sorta get used to it	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	i mean you're basically asking, "suppose you could be killed by trying to fuck scorpions in the tail. do you suppose fucking habits would change ?"	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	dunno dood...	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6806 @ 0.00080535 = 5.4812 BTC [+]	[00:07]
decimation	this is a pretty simple thought experiment, and the obvious conclusion is that computers (as they are now) are hopelessly insecure	[00:07]
asciilifeform	the 'computer industry' loves the crapfest, though. ('employment!' see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 etc)	[00:08]
assbot	Loper OS » Steam Lisp	[00:08]
asciilifeform	the only folks shafted: the users.	[00:08]
decimation	that kinda already puts us in north korea	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	well, security was not the first priority. it rarely is, when going over new space.	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9476 @ 0.0008044 = 7.6225 BTC [-] {2}	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	security wasn't high on the list of gold seeking miners, or of cowboys,	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	or of early seafaring explorers	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	magellan died of fucking stupidity.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	but by now computing is coallescing, and once moore's law finally fucking dies (trompi be praised)	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	we'll finally be in a position to put some fences up and make sense of the damned thing.	[00:09]
decimation	yeah but the difference is that those first 'explorers' were generally unable to dominate the world's market	[00:09]
asciilifeform	security is only one casualty of the crud flood	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	decimation this is a false impression, artefact of your context	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	they dominated the "world market" of their stupidity.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	what's "go west young man" ?	[00:09]
decimation	right, but it wasn't The West Powered By Intel	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	was exactly the same thing, in its time's typeface.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	powered by smith&wesson.	[00:10]
decimation	heh. that's a good point	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	what lasting cultural impact for s&w ?	[00:10]
decimation	well, the Winchester old bint built a castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House	[00:11]
assbot	Winchester Mystery House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	(been there btw. imo not all that it's cracked up to be)	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	none of the really tiny ones were open ot public	[00:13]
decimation	it is true that it seems like computing is coallescing. For instance, ascii's garbage-collector-on-a-chip sounds pretty feasible now, but would have been laughed at 10 years ago	[00:14]
asciilifeform	decimation: it was built in 1979.	[00:15]
decimation	your scheme chip?	[00:15]
asciilifeform	not mine, sussman's	[00:15]
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asciilifeform	(i've invented not one of these things)	[00:15]
decimation	right I remember your post about sussman trying to dodge the "why did you give up" question	[00:15]
asciilifeform	;;google SCHEME-79	[00:15]
gribble	The SCHEME-79 Chip: ; SCHEME+79 Chip: ; Loper OS » Shards of Lost Technology, and the Need for High-Level ...:	[00:15]
decimation	bunnie haung has a post about future 'hierloom' hardware http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1927	[00:16]
assbot	Why the Best Days of Open Hardware are Yet to Come « bunnie's blog	[00:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00080516 = 22.3029 BTC [+] {2}	[00:18]
asciilifeform	i know quite a few people who use hardware built before or shortly after they were born, for which no 'modern' adequate replacement exists	[00:18]
asciilifeform	the 'heirloom computer' is old, old hat.	[00:19]
decimation	the symbolics stuff is certainly an example	[00:19]
asciilifeform	there are countless other examples. visit a university laboratory.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	$800K mass spectrometer connected to pc at.	[00:20]
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decimation	even more modern, agilent lab gear that runs windows xp or 2000	[00:21]
asciilifeform	these will get upgraded. because they're already running on crashy turd, no big change	[00:21]
asciilifeform	the things that never upgrade - run on boxes that have never crashed.	[00:21]
decimation	yeah that's a good point	[00:21]
decimation	I had an old IBM AT once. thing was built like a tank	[00:22]
asciilifeform	recently toured university's music lab. they have a player piano, similar to the well-known mechanical kind, but electronic - pressure sensors, a disk full of recordings of famous pianists playing. disk on ms-dos box. 386.	[00:22]
decimation	the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive	[00:22]
asciilifeform	servos controlled by isa card	[00:22]
decimation	heh	[00:22]
asciilifeform	(incidentally, you can get usb fixtures that will talk to an isa card. unsuitable for the piano - no 'hard real time' guarantee on usb!)	[00:23]
decimation	absolutely not	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00080545 = 8.3324 BTC [+] {2}	[00:23]
decimation	I've discovered from my own experience that newere Xeon chips are much more laggy than older single core pentiums	[00:23]
decimation	having 1024 chickens service your hardware isn't an improvement	[00:24]
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asciilifeform	worse, unpredictably laggy. elaborate cache pyramid, easy to throw off	[00:24]
decimation	yeah it's like playing plinko with a real-time deadline	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	decimation> the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive << i bought new desktop cases here. i could punch a hole threough the things	[00:24]
decimation	even in more modern stuff there is this effect. Look at features that are dying off in cell phones	[00:24]
asciilifeform	much of the supposed speed gains of recent decade were achieved using 'instruction re-ordering'	[00:24]
asciilifeform	which plays havoc with real-time anything. and with any attempt at hand optimization	[00:25]
decimation	http://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3 << catalog of almost all known phones. Put in "keyboard" && "> 1.5 GHz clock" ... you get 4 results	[00:25]
assbot	Phone Finder - search for a phone by feature - GSMArena.com	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	phone keyboards were insanity	[00:25]
decimation	yeah every computer I get has a thinner case	[00:26]
decimation	most of them are plastic now	[00:26]
asciilifeform	you can still get steel if you buy 'rack' enclosures	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00080552 = 21.1852 BTC [+]	[00:26]
benkay	phone keyboards are still infinitely better than touchscreens.	[00:26]
decimation	yeah, but you pay.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	an empty '2u' rack case is 300 usd or so	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	benkay but still unusable.	[00:26]
decimation	mircea, are you saying the touchscreen is a better interface for typing?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	no lol. imsaying wtf typing on your phone.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	the name is PHONE	[00:27]
benkay	old man	[00:27]
decimation	yeah that's a good point	[00:27]
benkay	i grew up typing on them	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	now that's sad.	[00:27]
benkay	with T9 i could hammer out punctuation-perfect anything without even looking.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	chording keyboard would've worked great on phones	[00:27]
decimation	well, I would argue that physical phone keyboards are a better match for the occasional typing needed, compared to a touchscreen input	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	"what do you mean drinking mud is bad for me. i grew up drinking mud"	[00:27]
decimation	but I take your point about it sucks	[00:28]
asciilifeform	(this one: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861)	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	anyone has a pic ready of the kids that bathed in warm water post chernobyl ?	[00:28]
assbot	Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin	[00:28]
benkay	hey i'm not saying mud's great	[00:28]
benkay	but it sure as heck beats actual shit.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	benkay no i know	[00:28]
decimation	yeah I agree, why no chording interface	[00:28]
decimation	or hell, I would even enter morse code	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation i'd rather have to whislte 8 baud into it than have to type on tha small shit	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	btw : why no whistle interface for smartphones yet ?	[00:29]
decimation	I agree, but if you are going to eat turds they might as well have a good keyboard	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	fucking "innovation" consisting of everyone making the same 3 games and 2 apps over and over AND OVER again	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	i bet you most people could whistle more wpm than they natively type	[00:30]
decimation	right, that's my point about phones (ascii has pointed this out before) - they are all converging on iphone clones	[00:30]
asciilifeform	morse is eminently learnable	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah, and i recall the tests : morse is faster than texting.	[00:30]
asciilifeform	(re: fear of learning, obligatory naggum: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html)	[00:30]
assbot	404 Not Found	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	;;google morse faster than texting	[00:30]
gribble	Wiki: Morse Faster Than Text Messaging: ; Morse Code VS Text Messaging - YouTube: ; Morse Code Operators versus Mobile Phone Texting - SchoolTube:	[00:30]
decimation	just like 'computers' were varied and interesting, and then all converged to wintel shitbox	[00:31]
asciilifeform	btw anyone who wants to try chording:	[00:31]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html	[00:31]
assbot	MwEmu	[00:31]
decimation	'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20702 @ 0.00080552 = 16.6759 BTC [+]	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	i dunno they were ever that interesting	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	i rapidly lost interest after motorola somethng or the other	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	the last one you could grab by antenna and hit peopleover the head with	[00:33]
benkay	star tac's were amazing	[00:33]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:33]
benkay	;;google star tac	[00:33]
gribble	Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Motorola StarTAC is Back, in Yellow - Gizmodo: ; Motorola StarTAC 130 - lëkki:	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	the first clams ?	[00:34]
benkay	yup.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	you only think that becaus they looked like a cona to you.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	at an age when that was still a big deal	[00:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 51 @ 0.03847462 = 1.9622 BTC [-]	[00:34]
benkay	;;google cona	[00:34]
gribble	YMCA Youth Conference On National Affairs - Home: ; Carriage Operators of North America - Home Page: ; Cona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[00:34]
benkay	?	[00:34]
asciilifeform	there were sane people:	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	con~a	[00:34]
asciilifeform	http://www.xaphoon.com/dataegg	[00:34]
asciilifeform	(never mass produced)	[00:35]
asciilifeform	at some point you have to ask, what problem are you actually solving by building pocket computer	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	word.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	maybe if i had a really small pet person, like 6 inches tall or so.	[00:35]
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mircea_popescu	they could have a big iron	[00:36]
benkay	more compute near more people	[00:36]
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benkay	hedonic treadmill	[00:36]
benkay	gameboy ain't enough	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	i vote decimation "worst internet connection of #b-a"	[00:36]
asciilifeform	what's he using? ip over wood-fired dead goat ?	[00:37]
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decimation	I use these guys https://www.witopia.net/	[00:37]
assbot	WiTopia Personal VPN Services Providers. Easily unblock Skype, Hulu, Netflix and Facebook - WiTopia	[00:37]
decimation	for some reason the openvpn client on linux lags to shit constantly	[00:37]
asciilifeform	i still don't get the point of connecting to freenode using a spam proxy	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	+1	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0684999 = 0.822 BTC [+]	[00:38]
decimation	I guess I don't like the idea of my actual IP being spammed everywhere	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	so get a cloak	[00:38]
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mircea_popescu	"the leading provider of home technology services"	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is that, like white goods ?	[00:39]
decimation	ascii, you don't even cloak - I assume it's because you want to examine that which buzzes into your pot?	[00:40]
asciilifeform	decimation: among other reasons	[00:40]
decimation	I think they market to military deployed overseas in countries that have firewalls	[00:40]
asciilifeform	this is eerily reminiscent of the discussion about folks who use their given names, vs. 'hard' pseudonyms	[00:40]
asciilifeform	decimation: such countries typically add public vpn companies to ban list	[00:40]
decimation	heh, the smart ones do	[00:40]
asciilifeform	solution is to have a privately owned box in a 'friendly' ip block to tunnel from	[00:41]
decimation	exactly	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform speaking of which, everyone at earlier mentioned brunch was floored. "but that is your real name ?!" "yeah" "but... but... but everyone uses a pseudonym" "i don't give a shit" silence	[00:41]
asciilifeform	lol	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	i imagine it must suck to have a job working for idiots.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	public vpn is like a public reusable condom in whorehouse	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that dataegg thing looks like the earlier nutso kbd	[00:42]
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benkay	my insurance guy won't even ride his bike naked in the naked bike ride	[00:42]
benkay	o.O	[00:42]
benkay	goes anyways.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	wtf	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	small cock ?	[00:43]
decimation	I've always been confused why "device" makers don't integrate morse code into the phone/pad/whatever	[00:43]
benkay	american puritanism.	[00:43]
benkay	"my clients, you see."	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation keyboard with tickler on side would be pretty rad.	[00:44]
benkay	homeboy is brokering insurance deals for the queer community left right and sideways. yet..."my clients".	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay i bet you an all naked insurance company'd make a killing	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	"we're not stealing from you - we wouldn't have where to hide it"	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	hire a dozen or so models/webcam girls, all the other womenz'd fall right in line	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	"o, but everyone does it"	[00:45]
decimation	you can buy a tactile watch http://gearhungry.com/2013/07/bradley-tactile-watch.html#!1Q8pl	[00:46]
assbot	Bradley Tactile Watch \| GearHungry	[00:46]
benkay	gotta say i ain't got no clue as to how nudity'd sell insurance.	[00:46]
benkay	it's not like the underwriters office is anywhere near the customers.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	then WHAT DIFF DOES IT MAKE	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	you see you have fallen right into my little trap!11	[00:48]
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decimation	re: public vpn: yeah but it keeps the ankelbiters away, kinda	[00:49]
benkay	aw fuck here we go again	[00:49]
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moiety	spending time reading logs keeps ankle biters away	[01:04]
moiety	you can put number on things like age but its really a dedication thing	[01:05]
moiety	am i teling myself that as a delusional spinster?!	[01:05]
moiety	i believe this tho	[01:05]
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mircea_popescu	moiety depends how you mean it specifically ?	[01:07]
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moiety	in terms of learning stuff here, i guess so mircea_popescu, but i have found in across board. there's some people i would hire that are half the age of those i wouldn't	[01:09]
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moiety	it across the board*	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	well yeah	[01:10]
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moiety	this past year has been my first steps into managing those online, irl its a lot easier and a very different	[01:11]
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moiety	well that was maybe a wrong thing to say.... managing people irl is maybe easier if youre used to it	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	irl you also have tits.	[01:14]
decimation	wow it was easier to get a cloak than I figured it would be	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	mthreat http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4d01d28147bdc6ffbb6feb6c576a7745f0935c8a523201ea11981c8c41b5ba9d.jpg	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[01:15]
moiety	you just have to hang around decimation	[01:15]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: well maybe thats why i was given a chance at being a good pa, but it doesnt mean you can deliver	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	moiety don't you find people tend to be less argumentative ?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	https://www.google.com/search?q=i+have+the+tits+i+make+the+rules style.	[01:18]
assbot	i have the tits i make the rules - Google Search	[01:18]
decimation	re: age: I've found that "adult children" are common in the us anyway	[01:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f6943a23f0f408017552998442a9486/tumblr_mry28vfvYa1qdoxp5o1_500.jpg << fixed ?	[01:21]
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moiety	not at all mircea_popescu it's actually a good test for me, tells me how someone would be to work with. if the argument is articulate, it makes a huge difference right?	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:21]
moiety	as an organiser, i find it rude telling me how to run things without a decent backup argument/reason and here are plenty that try. its just a hmnmo thx but i take note of the ideas	[01:23]
moiety	there are plenty that try*	[01:24]
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moiety	! publio	[01:25]
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moiety	!publio	[01:25]
moiety	assbot, cmon just forgive me eh	[01:25]
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TheNewDeal	no need for up now?	[01:27]
TheNewDeal	just ! ?	[01:27]
benkay	! publio	[01:28]
benkay	!publio	[01:28]
benkay	!up publio	[01:28]
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benkay	!down publio	[01:28]
publio	not sure..	[01:28]
benkay	! khersonus	[01:28]
benkay	shrug	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	odd	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	and down is broked ?	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	!down publio	[01:30]
-assbot-	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to publio.	[01:30]
benkay	!up CoalPowerGorilla	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot publio	[01:30]
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gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask publio!~publio@c-68-61-150-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user publio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=publio \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=publio \| Rated since: Sun Apr 15 23:05:03 2012	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	oic	[01:30]
benkay	!down CoalPowerGorilla	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	publio had you self-voiced coincidentally just as moiety was derping ?	[01:30]
publio	did it just to spite :)	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	oic	[01:30]
benkay	clever m'lad	[01:31]
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TheNewDeal	that's ridiculous. Had me going	[01:32]
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mircea_popescu	"And more to the point here, it is the reason why women often feel that men have "the upper hand" in relationships. That feeling doesn't exist because men are dominant over women or have some kind of real advantage; it is just because men are strongly motivated by sex, and therefore get into relationships with girls they don't really care about - or at least, they get into relationships with girls who care more about t	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	hem than they do about the girls, even if only by a small amount. In other words, men only have the upper hand because they have this tendency to play below their league."	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	intriguing theory off random derpy blog http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2011/10/upper-hand-in-relationships.html	[01:34]
assbot	The Rules Revisited: The Upper Hand In Relationships	[01:34]
benkay	those post-25 year old females punch below their weight too - only way to recruit a provider at that phase of life.	[01:34]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/five-bucks-for-great-justice/	[01:35]
benkay	going back to yesterdays conversation about the dearth of leadership and stones etc	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	sure. and he goes into full retard mode right after, proposing that somehow "not givingit up easy" helps a woman's position.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	it so happens that i won't even consider women that don't, i'm pretty sure the top generally doesn't, and so it's a quite dangerous strat.	[01:36]
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benkay	well if we can rathole on the evolutionary psychology thing playing hard to get raises the bar for potential impregnators.	[01:39]
benkay	"gotta work for it", or raep.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	if she doesn't have thesense to realise she's accidentally run into the absolute best, she can't be all that smart in the first place.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	who wants dummies ?	[01:40]
benkay	judging competence is hard, though. ergo heuristics like playing hard to get.	[01:41]
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benkay	obvs the top of the top enjellify legs without really even trying	[01:42]
benkay	but...0.01% oslt	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%	[01:43]
thestringpuller	sluts who play hard to get: oxymoron or profound truth?	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	this also isn't a very good strat.	[01:43]
n6	nanotube napedia Naphex nezZario nick1234abcd_ nii236\|irssi nkuttler NormDePloome nullbyte	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller nah, that's ancient whore strat. i even wrote it up im pretty sure	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema whore strat	[01:43]
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gribble	Back to work, whore. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin ... - Trilema: ; Iulie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[01:43]
thestringpuller	the former or latter?	[01:44]
thestringpuller	i assume "back to work whore"	[01:44]
benkay	relatedly, lady v and i were saying goodbyes at a dinner party last night, all of the girls with whom i'm friends with at this thing lined up for hugs and kisses - and then the new girl in the room gets up and right in line as well, demanding hers giggling and blushing all the while	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	hmm now i can't find it.	[01:44]
thestringpuller	benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. blush blush blush. I want a hug now!!!!"	[01:45]
benkay	basically	[01:45]
thestringpuller	did lady benkay choke a bitch?	[01:45]
benkay	no no she's an instigator	[01:45]
thestringpuller	instagator how? Like "you should get some hugs from them cute girls" ?	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the idea being that an utter whore denying the pack leader any fucking has a decent chance to drive him mad and end up in some sort of "that obscure object of desire " situation.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	basically her refusal to give him what she gives the whole pack is a slight, but one he has no redress for : she's already an outcast.	[01:47]
benkay	thestringpuller: more like she gets the girls primed	[01:48]
benkay	mp has better stories on this.	[01:48]
benkay	and it's lady v to you, sir.	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0670032 = 1.3401 BTC [+] {3}	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. blush blush blush. I want a hug now!!!!" << dun be an asshole, maybe she's just fun loving.	[01:49]
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benkay	maybe she's just doing what all the other girls are doing	[01:50]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I've been surrounded by 20 year olds for the past decade...they always want something...	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	well of coursethey want something. all living things want stuff.	[01:51]
benkay	benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ? // no but great idea	[01:51]
benkay	great butt idea	[01:51]
benkay	<3	[01:51]
benkay	butts	[01:51]
benkay	$bait	[01:51]
benkay	$butts	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	experience.	[01:52]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.805 BTC. Current weight: 78,832.	[02:01]
thestringpuller	!mpif	[02:01]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	so actually trading under nav huh	[02:03]
benkay	mike called it yesterday	[02:03]
benkay	mike_c	[02:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14181 @ 0.00080132 = 11.3635 BTC [+] {2}	[02:04]
thestringpuller	!ticker m f.mpif	[02:04]
assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (500 shares, 0.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.0002165 / 0.00021726 (26680 shares, 5.78 BTC)	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chipmunk.jpg	[02:11]
benkay	guest?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	nah just random trilema pic. from http://www.laurieandcicero.com/index.html	[02:13]
assbot	Laurie & Cicero's Favorite Spots	[02:13]
penguirker	New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/argentina-and-the-art-of-being-into-it/	[02:14]
benkay	that's what i like about portland as well	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00080036 = 1.3606 BTC [-]	[02:19]
benkay	people are into their stuff entirely unabashedly. although here, it's knitting sweaters for trees and not sawing off epic hunks of meat.	[02:19]
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benkay	or...performing Original Star Trek in graveyards.	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	wait.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	for trees ?!	[02:20]
benkay	or the World Naked Bike Ride, or Pedalpalooza in general.	[02:20]
benkay	you'll see them down in bsas as well.	[02:20]
benkay	just a different kind of street art.	[02:20]
benkay	oh and not just trees - bike staples as well.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:21]
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thestringpuller	benkay: are you surrounded by hippies in your city?	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	" Lisp is not the kind of language that insecure losers would use. people do not want to learn Lisp because they stand a better chance of beating another unskilled fool in the job race. fact is: you don't get a job by lying about your Lisp skills. all of this means that there is very little activity at the front gate, where all the journalists and the media are. there are no people struggling like mad to ge	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	t into the Lisp world. they don't have to. if you want to learn Lisp, you go learn Lisp and talk to nice people who probably have time for you, and you make yourself good at it. then you go do complex stuff that insecure losers who lie about their Java skills can't even imagine, and therefore do not consider part of the competition."	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	pretty lulzy how accurate this is.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily about lisp	[02:32]
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benkay	thestringpuller: transients come, transients go. part of the nature of...transients.	[02:52]
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benkay	there are a lot of underemployed hipster girls about tho - and none of 'em can make a life where they can afford babies in the states anymore. ergo, tree-sweaters.	[02:53]
benkay	dunno what's going on down in buenos aires tho.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	sad.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	women here can have kids, yes.	[02:54]
benkay	families also paint great big huge murals on their intersections to slow cars down.	[02:54]
benkay	it's a weird place, but that's why i like it.	[02:54]
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*	moiety urgh is all i have to say	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	"dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers"	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	beautiful.	[02:56]
Mats_cd03	17:14:14 mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/	[02:57]
Mats_cd03	gems abound in today's log	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	you ain't seen nothin' yet Mats_cd03	[02:58]
benkay	i don't know that the women can't have kids so much as the men aren't interested in being fathers or even men	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	is what i meant.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	"when you write manuals for naval or air force vessels, you don't use MS Word and hope Microsoft doesn't come out with yet another incompatible disservice pack and/or upgrade, you use CALS and enterprise-wide publishing systems."	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	holy shit what is he on about. what happened to tex.	[03:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cals is/was a mind-bogglingly pedantic spec from us dod (circa early 80s)	[03:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: with the idea that under no circumstances would the death of one, two, hundred vendors lead to unreadable texts	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	hm	[03:02]
asciilifeform	the result was a mega-backbreaker - like Ada. but it sorta worked.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	i am ignorant ofsuch matters.	[03:02]
asciilifeform	they could have, in principle, picked tex, but the latter has no hard spec for graphics.	[03:03]
asciilifeform	all of this took place in the long-gone era when usg insisted on full blueprints, chip masks (!) etc. to ensure longevity of a complete design	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	as in tables ?	[03:04]
asciilifeform	as in bitmaps	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	wtf bitmaps	[03:04]
asciilifeform	and vector (e.g. cad)	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	svg ?	[03:04]
asciilifeform	svg is a very recent thing	[03:04]
asciilifeform	remember, this is pre-sgml even	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[03:05]
asciilifeform	us dod realized that computer would remain 'a thing' - wanted hard specced formats.	[03:05]
asciilifeform	one of the last gasps of reason from that institution	[03:05]
asciilifeform	(naggum is known to have worked in ada. hence his familiarity with the matter)	[03:06]
asciilifeform	what computer-based product, on the shelf today, can be guaranteed manufacturable 50 years hence?	[03:07]
asciilifeform	that was the objective. some semblance of guarantee.	[03:07]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform flash rom	[03:07]
asciilifeform	funny that you mention roms, because vintage arcade machine enthusiasts go through astounding gymnastics to replicate the behaviour of '80s roms.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	and to push a point, im pretty sure the mosfets are unchanged	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	since maybe 60s	[03:08]
asciilifeform	if you want an analogue part with known 'curves', you usually have to work at it.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	ask a fellow who's into vintage musical synths	[03:09]
asciilifeform	(or the valve aficionados)	[03:09]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[03:10]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM	[03:10]
assbot	hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube	[03:10]
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mircea_popescu	!up cowloon	[03:12]
-assbot-	You voiced cowloon for 30 minutes.	[03:12]
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cowloon	what's that mean	[03:12]
benkay	http://www.cmog.org/artwork/fuck	[03:12]
assbot	FUCK \| Corning Museum of Glass	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	it means you can talk.	[03:13]
cowloon	oh, thanks	[03:13]
cowloon	but, I'm just here to lurk at the moment	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	it'll fade away, don't worry.	[03:14]
benkay	http://www.incandescentsculpture.com/wordpress/teslas-sensitive-brush-bulbs-or-the-invention-of-the-fluorescent-light/	[03:14]
assbot	Dylan Kehde Roelofs › Tesla’s wireless ‘sensitive brush’ Bulbs (Or: The invention of the Fluorescent light)	[03:14]
benkay	http://www.incandescentsculpture.com/wordpress/burning-man-2007-and-2008-my-custom-neon-plasma-tubes/	[03:16]
assbot	Dylan Kehde Roelofs › Burning Man 2007 and 2008: My custom neon plasma tubes-	[03:16]
asciilifeform	benkay: my parents had a soviet gizmo that consisted of exactly such a tube, with small tesla coil in the handle (dermatological crackpot medicine) so i got to see/feel mr t's tube on own hide.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	;;google дарсонваль	[03:18]
gribble	Дарсонваль - YouTube: ; Дарсонваль c AliExpress - YouTube: ; Физиотерапия дарсонваль - YouTube:	[03:18]
*	asciilifeform laughed when, decades hence, saw the same in american sex shops	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually it's jolting if inserted up the cunt	[03:19]
asciilifeform	i can picture this	[03:19]
asciilifeform	for those who don't own this toy - it is rather like the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time, but - constantly	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	so it has legitimate place in sex shop	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	if not in derma clinic (which is still done btw, high end spas and whatnot)	[03:20]
asciilifeform	zaps, e.g. acne pretty well.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	" the spark of static one sometimes gets when touching grounded objects in winter time" << he means, when wearing mixed wool and plastic clothing	[03:20]
asciilifeform	or wool slippers	[03:21]
benkay	http://www.remingtonproducts.com/womens/ipl/i-light-pro/i-light-pro-intense-pulsed-light-hair-removal-system.aspx << does this shit work?	[03:21]
assbot	i-LIGHT Pro Intense Pulsed Light Hair Removal System \| Remington Products	[03:21]
benkay	it seems to cook the follicle...	[03:22]
asciilifeform	go find the fellow who'll agree to shave with this.	[03:22]
asciilifeform	(reminds me of the russian ww2 recipe for a quick shave - petrol.)	[03:23]
benkay	test it on a babe...	[03:23]
benkay	dissolves the hair, asciilifeform ?	[03:23]
asciilifeform	negative	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay you have no idea how far the female threshold is.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	gotta light it.	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	they brazilian wax FOR SPORT	[03:23]
benkay	i gotta start waxing for sport	[03:24]
asciilifeform	light coat of high-boiling fuel on skin won't burn the latter - watch a stage magician set own hands on fire, etc	[03:24]
asciilifeform	best done by one skilled in the art.	[03:24]
asciilifeform	;;google leidenfrost effect	[03:25]
gribble	Leidenfrost effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Hand vs. Liquid Nitrogen and the Leidenfrost Effect - YouTube: ; BOILING AND THE LEIDENFROST EFFECT - Wiley:	[03:25]
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benkay	okay so in this book of historical erotica i was browsing at the party last night in place of the utterly inane conversation of drunks and the unemployable i discovered a print titled 'the barber', where some woman was having her cooch shaved	[03:25]
benkay	this from like 1640 or something	[03:25]
benkay	and while I know that nothing is new under the sun, i still learned last night that cuntshaving's been a thing forever.	[03:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00080134 = 3.8697 BTC [+]	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you familiar with this supposed siberian torture technique, give naked victim gasoline and a book of matches and let them be ?	[03:26]
benkay	;;ticker	[03:26]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 589.8, Best ask: 590.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.94000, Last trade: 592.32, 24 hour volume: 2972.46767097, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 594.99, 24 hour vwap: 588.094009094	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	something like that	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	benkay not forever. i think it was a greek invention.	[03:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this works on americans. who routinely manage to light themselves up when trying to start backyard fires	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:27]
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benkay	that's forever to me ;)	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up nerdfiles	[04:23]
-assbot-	You voiced nerdfiles for 30 minutes.	[04:23]
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mircea_popescu	argentine flan kicks ass	[05:43]
assbot	muXne +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[05:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up muxne	[05:54]
-assbot-	You voiced muxne for 30 minutes.	[05:54]
assbot	Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	!up vexual	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	noobs	[05:55]
-assbot-	You voiced vexual for 30 minutes.	[05:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up vexual	[06:00]
-assbot-	You voiced vexual for another 30 minutes.	[06:00]
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Vexual	hi	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	no soup for you.	[06:02]
Vexual	tell me about it	[06:03]
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Vexual	i tried to go to the thing in hong kong	[06:03]
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Vexual	calced exactly the whisky to sleep for 8 hours	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	there was this duckling earlier.	[06:04]
Vexual	frindly airport staff think i overcalced	[06:04]
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Vexual	duckling?	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	what's your bell come to by the way ?	[06:06]
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asciilifeform	unrelated to anything (save possible the legal sophistries discussions):	[06:07]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/EYwLyU1y	[06:07]
assbot	sacchetti - Pastebin.com	[06:07]
asciilifeform	took ages to dig up the english	[06:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2069 @ 0.00080353 = 1.6625 BTC [+]	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[06:27]
-assbot-	You voiced kanzure for 30 minutes.	[06:27]
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asciilifeform	;;ident kanzure	[06:27]
gribble	Nick 'kanzure', with hostmask 'kanzure!~kanzure@131.252.130.248', is not identified.	[06:27]
asciilifeform	kanzure: get in wot so i can rate you as known human	[06:28]
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kanzure	asciilifeform: oops sorry about that	[06:35]
kanzure	asciilifeform: fixed	[06:35]
kanzure	asciilifeform: btw, i bought a dna synthesizer the other day	[06:35]
asciilifeform	which one	[06:36]
kanzure	ABI 391	[06:36]
asciilifeform	neato	[06:36]
kanzure	hell yeah! a decade of cancer here i come.	[06:36]
kanzure	gonna be hooking up a microfluidic column based on a projector	[06:37]
kanzure	to do 1920x1080 sequences simultaneously	[06:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06699799 = 0.871 BTC [+]	[06:39]
asciilifeform	;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer	[06:40]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[06:40]
kanzure	asciilifeform: still trying to figure out how to paint the device,	[06:40]
kanzure	i was thinking painting this over the beige panels: http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.15027782.1633/fc,550x550,asphalt.u1.jpg	[06:40]
asciilifeform	;;rate kanzure 1 meat programmer	[06:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.	[06:40]
kanzure	also open to suggestions for other graffiti options	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	that domain read redtube at frst	[06:45]
kanzure	might as well	[06:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00080506 = 7.5676 BTC [+]	[06:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 119 @ 0.067 = 7.973 BTC [+]	[06:54]
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assbot	Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[07:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23076 @ 0.00080552 = 18.5882 BTC [+]	[07:01]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[07:02]
gribble	Current Blocks: 307140 \| Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 \| Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes, and 26 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16458311240.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: 22.25228	[07:02]
moiety	whoops well the doge community does not like being told "fuck you".... i'm in the doghouse	[07:04]
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Vexual	boingo brain u genius	[07:13]
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mthreat	!up mjr_	[07:16]
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mthreat	mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << sure, do you have the logs for the first year?	[07:21]
Vexual	lol	[07:22]
mthreat	linespacing's pretty wide but awesome work << i'm shit at CSS; feel free to suggest changes, with css/html code if possible	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	mthreat drop me your email, ill send you what i got.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	lemme see here	[07:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00080559 = 13.0103 BTC [+] {2}	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur FabianB mod6 punkman mind sendinmg your early logs to mthreat too ?	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	up until july 2013 if memory serves.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	may actually.	[07:25]
mthreat	log.b-a currently goes back to 26-4-2013 I believe	[07:26]
mjr_	what a treasure trove of fun memories	[07:26]
mthreat	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013	[07:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9997 @ 0.00080506 = 8.0482 BTC [-]	[07:26]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[07:26]
mthreat	^ that is the oldest day, and the first entry has id #1.	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10820 @ 0.00080464 = 8.7062 BTC [-] {2}	[07:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 894 @ 0.00080255 = 0.7175 BTC [-]	[07:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00080574 = 6.8488 BTC [+]	[08:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.067 = 1.206 BTC [+]	[08:04]
Vexual	yo smidge, -1 me for effectiveness	[08:04]
Vexual	:)	[08:04]
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benkay	;;ident Vexual	[08:06]
gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is identified as user 'muXne', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1Badmofonny75kX7FrVHpCpNsRxMrmuXne	[08:06]
benkay	is this real life?	[08:06]
Vexual	can i haz job now ben10?	[08:06]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot muXne	[08:06]
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gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muXne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muXne \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muXne \| Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014	[08:06]
benkay	well if this aint a how d'you do	[08:07]
benkay	i don't hire markov chains, Vexual	[08:07]
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benkay	but play some music i might send you a bitcent or two	[08:10]
Vexual	shit got lippy, i deleted it	[08:10]
Vexual	now i forget what you like	[08:10]
benkay	well i enjoyed this a lot today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QRw9Pl5WI&eml=2014June19/1644059/6011909	[08:11]
assbot	Seeed - Cherry Oh 2014 (Animatic) - YouTube	[08:11]
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benkay	peeeeete	[08:13]
benkay	m'lad	[08:13]
bitcoinpete	lol hey benkay	[08:13]
bitcoinpete	just came across this gem: https://twitter.com/coin_artist/status/480574910515789825	[08:14]
assbot	Portrait of /AmirTaaki and /Radomysisky. Let the decrypting begin. Victor takes all. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/art?src=hash /hashtag/hiddentreasure?src=hash http://t.co/JmrjfROEWO	[08:14]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WNQEZhtOQ	[08:17]
assbot	"I Always Smile Kid" BL-DUB BEATS - YouTube	[08:17]
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mircea_popescu	ହିନ୍ଜଡା << this is a word	[08:20]
Apocalyptic	in Sumerian maybe	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	some indian language	[08:21]
Vexual	sanskrit?	[08:21]
moiety	what does it mean?	[08:22]
Vexual	^	[08:22]
moiety	is it just me that it looks like a row of people to?	[08:23]
moiety	well, heads	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[08:24]
moiety	XD	[08:24]
Vexual	i met a girl that knew sanskrit once	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	mthreat sent to april 27th	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	there are prolly holes in it tho	[08:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]	[08:27]
mthreat	ok	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell pigeons hey you got old -assets logs ? 2012 to 2013 ?	[08:28]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:28]
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mircea_popescu	days of yore heh	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	;;seen bitfoo	[08:30]
gribble	bitfoo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 14 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 46 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: +1 for informative titles	[08:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.03847462 = 0.7695 BTC [-]	[08:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00080485 = 12.4752 BTC [-] {3}	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	;;seen oneeyed	[08:34]
gribble	oneeyed was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: Oh, I thought I had read an IRC transcript on bitcointalk earlier today. Sorry for the confusion.	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	what's jcpham's gay nick these days ?	[08:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4438 @ 0.00080599 = 3.577 BTC [+]	[08:35]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, rithm	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	a yes ty.	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell rithm hey you got old -assets logs ? dump em on mthreat	[08:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:39]
Apocalyptic	yw	[08:40]
bitcoinpete	man the world cup wouldn't be 1/10th as interesting w/o bitbet	[08:40]
moiety	imma get a couple hours sleep, night all :]	[08:40]
bitcoinpete	having a huge amount of fun	[08:40]
bitcoinpete	cheers moiety :)	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	moiety sex weeks to you!	[08:41]
moiety	XD	[08:41]
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bitcoinpete	the blackcoin "community" has been driving some traffic to my blog with the litecoin article	[08:43]
bitcoinpete	http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/28nfvs/why_its_over_for_litecoin_this_is_great_for/	[08:43]
assbot	Why Its Over For Litecoin (This is GREAT for BlackCoin!) : blackcoin	[08:43]
bitcoinpete	there are some lulz in the comments	[08:43]
bitcoinpete	"Peter Dushenski is a first class bellend who would attack blackcoin if it was in litecoins position. JUST REMEMBER THAT!"	[08:44]
bitcoinpete	probably the best one there	[08:44]
bitcoinpete	"Blackcoin definitely has what it takes to be competitive in today's market. A solid development team combined with a focus on real-world adoption will give us a bright future."	[08:44]
Vexual	yarr	[08:45]
bitcoinpete	"I don't necessarily disagree with the message, and I think advertising there a great idea. However, we should absolutely not stoop to coin wars type of posts. Blackcoin can succeed along with LTC."	[08:45]
bitcoinpete	don't stoop!	[08:45]
bitcoinpete	"My point is simply that honey attracts more flies than vinegar and we don't need to attack other coins or promote negativity. It turns people off."	[08:45]
bitcoinpete	that dale carnegie...	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	bellend eh ?	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	wtf is blackcoin in the first place.	[08:47]
Vexual	not atc	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	that's a point.	[08:48]
bitcoinpete	ya… bellend… not even "m'lad"	[08:48]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/BlackCoinPool/status/480459195855020032	[08:49]
assbot	/hashtag/TeamBlack?src=hash just finished getting interviewed by /CoinTelegraph really awesome stuff! http://t.co/EObIGvkbYr	[08:49]
bitcoinpete	there they be	[08:49]
bitcoinpete	in all dat glory	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier you know if you made a point of cutting out tired cliches such as "By now everyone has heard of" your writing'd benefit immensely.	[08:50]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: Fucking hashpower << this.	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	"The origins of modern currencies started with gold and other precious metals." modern has an actual meaning. modern currencies start with the paper receipts used in england and then spread all over. premodern money starts with bronze and shells.	[08:51]
Vexual	bronzing up is still a thing	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	"Over time, as finance and commerce became more sophisticated, the concept of a unit of account emerge and gold generally became the default unit. Much has been written regarding why gold fell into this role, but for our purposes here it’s sufficient to note that it did." << seriously ?! what is this, insult the reader's intelligence club ?	[08:52]
Vexual	;;ud bronzing up	[08:53]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bronzing%20Up \| "They smeared themselves with their own waste, but the protest (known in jails as bronzing up) proved futile when they were later told they were not required at ...	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	that thing needs a complete re-write	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqrvF4qCQAAEmtE.jpg << that's the solid dev team that defvinitely "has what it takes in the market" ?	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, cointelegraph needs a bubble level	[08:55]
bitcoinpete	that yellow tie does wonders to obscure the gender of its bearer	[08:56]
bitcoinpete	sorta reminds me of the italian model cum nun	[08:57]
bitcoinpete	in the "well that's unexpected" way	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	not like there's any women in these solid teams anyway	[08:58]
bitcoinpete	despite their "fairly distributed" motto	[08:59]
bitcoinpete	i bet you their "community bounties" aren't all they're cracked up to be either	[08:59]
bitcoinpete	Cosmos: I'm antimalicious, & brilliant, & responsible, that's why donating to me is so constructive << i want to sense sarcasm but i'm just not seeing it	[09:00]
bitcoinpete	o there it is	[09:00]
bitcoinpete	subtle	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	"They are beyond question the loveliest of all their sex...In the United States, of course, where natural selection has been going on, as elsewhere, and where, much more than elsewhere, that has been a great variety to choose from. The eventual American woman will be even more beautiful than the woman of to-day. Her claims to that distinction will result from a fine combination of the best points of all those many race	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	s which have helped to make our population."	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	someone actually believed that us born womenz were going to be teh prettiest, a century ago.	[09:02]
bitcoinpete	never saw walmarters coming...	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	beauty does not coexist with convenience.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	only the knuth and starvation makes beautiful girls.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's spelled knout	[09:05]
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bitcoinpete	;;google knout	[09:05]
gribble	Knout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Knout - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: ; knout - Wiktionary:	[09:05]
bitcoinpete	myeah	[09:06]
bitcoinpete	googling "knuth" brings up this http://xkcd.com/163/	[09:06]
assbot	xkcd: Donald Knuth	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	flogger and famine. there, it even alliterates.	[09:07]
bitcoinpete	starve and strap too	[09:08]
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Vexual	hmmmmmmmm	[09:10]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZD1PJKU_k	[09:11]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-PsaQCwoY	[09:22]
assbot	OnDubGround - NoNoNo RMX - YouTube	[09:22]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things. << added to the growing list	[09:22]
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bitcoinpete	decimation: 'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox << following the leader instead of trying new shit like this is guaranteed to screw over the entire industry	[09:30]
bitcoinpete	just end up racing to the bottom on cost and process efficiency	[09:30]
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bitcoinpete	and logged up and... ready for bed. golf in the morning!	[09:42]
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mircea_popescu	nighty dear world.	[09:50]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[16:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00086529 = 2.5959 BTC [-]	[16:13]
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Vexual	ill gibe you a tip var is called vex	[16:15]
Vexual	but your fail will cascade to fertiliser	[16:15]
Vexual	mext years limes if you care	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	lol hi there	[16:17]
Vexual	PBCJWJXeFzk	[16:17]
Vexual	hey	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if vexual could pass a turing test	[16:18]
Vexual	;;rate mircrea_popescu 1 sexy	[16:20]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[16:20]
Vexual	+d	[16:20]
Vexual	TAT o can't chess	[16:21]
Vexual	or see the kb	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves probably. turing test mostly verifies predictability.	[16:23]
Vexual	well thats a fail, bring it	[16:23]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edwsf-8F3sI	[16:24]
assbot	Michael Bubl - Feeling Good [Official Music Video] - YouTube	[16:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.063 = 0.63 BTC [+]	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	it's interesting learning the signs of deception in stock TA articles, charts, etc, to try to influence the market to buy at tops, sell at bottoms	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	you pretty much cant trust shit	[16:27]
Vexual	tat you know more about me than i do	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	like this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/06/20/options-play-for-tapping-into-strength-of-netflix/	[16:28]
assbot	Options Play For Tapping Into Strength Of Netflix - Forbes	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	i thought it'd be an article saying NFLX is going down	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	nope!	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	it just double-topped and she says buy!	[16:28]
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Vexual	i never knew netflix was tradable	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	you have to understand how propaganda works.	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder how these things go IRL, like does her boss say "Please write a bullish NFLX article"	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as english language free press.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	no, generally it's not. goebbels didn't go "please write me a bullshit anti-jew speech again"	[16:30]
Vexual	meanwhile australia is rocking private trackers and not caring	[16:31]
Vexual	nrst belive im writing the bitcoin tax law too	[16:34]
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ThickAsThieves	"Bitreserve’s tagline is ‘the end of bitcoin volatility’. "	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	what's bitreserve lol	[16:35]
Vexual	^	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	o the cnet guy	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	ya ya.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	read the guy's personal history sometime btw. it's quite instructive.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	patron saint of all neobees.	[16:37]
Vexual	h,h,how to be cool?	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	cnet never really seemed interesting to me	[16:37]
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mircea_popescu	well basically guy sold out for about half a bn (back when us dollars were still worth something)	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	then went on a spending spree, which left him bankrupt last year.	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	now he thinks himself a bitcoin expert, without having spent his year humbly reading here.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	right. this can only end in tears.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	"Bitreserve is Minor’s way to address the problems and opportunities he sees with Bitcoin. He says most people will never be comfortable holding the volatile digital currency"	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	it irks me that bigger media now calls Ver Bitcoin Jesus	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	i mean think about it. so many sorts of wrong in so little space...	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves why ?	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	too much irony for me	[16:39]
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ThickAsThieves	i guess i need to stop caring about idiots that trust the media	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	i'll tell you, it's your emotional investment in said media, and more generally the notion that the whole establishment is a positive thing "taken together" that irks you.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	it's an evil empire, chiefly because it's made by stupid people to promote wrongness and error.	[16:41]
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ThickAsThieves	i guess itll at least yield drama fuel	[16:42]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sqFprD6qIs	[16:42]
assbot	Vietnow- Rage Against the Machine (Lyrics) - YouTube	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	dubious. who cares about ver now that he's poor ?	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	well the media will be happy to report his failures	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	Bitcoin Jesus Crucified	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	im wondering if they have a pedo story in the drawer about him too. i wasn't able to find one.	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	nah he has a real undertone of lack of confidence	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	probly has micropenis or something	[16:44]
Vexual	fuck i spilled my shisky then	[16:45]
ThickAsThieves	i guess those are probly higher % pedos...	[16:45]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpgwxfPfsw	[16:47]
assbot	If you like pina coladas - jimmy bufett Lyrics - YouTube	[16:47]
bitcoinpete	;;bc,stats	[16:47]
gribble	Current Blocks: 307218 \| Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 \| Next Difficulty In: 1229 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes, and 4 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16646758858.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.65207	[16:47]
bitcoinpete	129 ph...	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	wow	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	i guess ASICMINER is delivering	[16:48]
Vexual	ph is so 2014	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty: 16,947,623,526 (+25.89%)	[16:48]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: knc too	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	and to cap the previous discussion : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Beckwith_James_Carroll_Portrait_of_Evelyn_Nesbitt.jpg	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	woman is 16 and a half.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	o damn.	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/	[16:49]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more :: 3.81 B (81%) on Yes, 0.87 B (19%) on No \| closing in 2 months 2 weeks \| weight: 47`543 (100`000 to 6`000)	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	just got interesting	[16:49]
Vexual	recent pic?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	Vexual not more than coffee.	[16:49]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 491.17953373 BTC. Current weight: 42,265.	[16:49]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds	[16:51]
assbot	Paul Simon - 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover + lyrics - YouTube	[16:51]
xmj	how fast is the rate of change?	[16:51]
Vexual	variable	[16:51]
xmj!@	added to ignore list.	[16:52]
Vexual	difficulty? its a thing unto itself	[16:52]
Vexual	miners of ol' say price drives mining	[16:52]
Vexual	i say bitcoin is bunta	[16:53]
Vexual	;;ud bunta	[16:53]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bunta \| The chief told the explorers they had two choices: death or bunta. The first, saying he has a wife and kids, easily chose bunta. The whole tribe bends him over ...	[16:53]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: "On June 5th Friedcat's update mentioned the close to 60PH that was finishing up production. When asked how long that was from an inventory standpoint, he indicated 1 to 1.5 months from that day to sell everything plus the fiat to BTC conversion. 1.5 months from June 5th puts us around July 20th, a solid month from now."	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	apparently it's pretty hard to make a bitbet that difficulty can't satisfy	[16:53]
bitcoinpete	from forumz	[16:53]
Vexual	bitbet gets scary close to diff	[16:53]
Vexual	months out	[16:53]
kakobrekla	bitbet gets scary close to diff < take an unimaginable number and it will end up scary close.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	punkman should do another datamine: What if you bet .1 btc on Yes for all bets including "difficulty" and No for all others	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	probly $1m	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:55]
kakobrekla	nah, he just makes to make a bet that over next N bets the outcome will be positive	[16:55]
kakobrekla	and bet on that.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	it's kinda funny, all these wanna-bes and have-beens trying to get involved into bitcoin with dysfunctional, nonsensical business models	[16:56]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/783/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 86(Y):14(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.67721769 BTC. Current weight: 47,541.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	when all they'd really need would be to forget all the wallets and whatnot and just you know, bet yes on this and no onthat	[16:56]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlEvh-DZ-kE	[16:58]
assbot	Billy Joel - Only The Good Die Young (HQ with lyrics) - YouTube	[16:58]
Vexual	everything is all	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	“Cybercriminals acting in late 2013 installed a malicious computer program on the servers of a large hedge fund, crippling its high-speed trading strategy and sending information about its trades to unknown offsite computers.”	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:00]
Vexual	>>low speed	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	there you go asciilifeform	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	Because of this systemic risk, the SEC recently announced it “will be conducting examinations of more than 50 registered broker-dealers and registered investment advisers, focusing on areas related to cybersecurity.”	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	and diametric. naggum was wrong.	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	SEC gonna need a bigger boat	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	people doing "navy manuals" and whatever the fuck use decent software stacks for a limited time only.	[17:01]
Vexual	lol	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	in general, once corruption becomes fashionable, holdouts last ageneration or less.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	and obviously, there's no prize for the people that ran safe stacks. there's a prize for those who didn't, who now get to a) bundle a lot of unrelated responmsibility and blame it on this known cause and b) ask for more money.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	in this sense, you don't want either democracy or strong government, because neither democracy nor strong government are capable of acting differently from the weak spirited but rich parent of an estranged daughter.	[17:04]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: spot on analogy	[17:05]
bitcoinpete	"According to the analogy theory, it’s because making analogies requires thinking across traditional mental categories. In fact, some cognitive scientists have proposed that the farther the analogy—that is, the farther apart the previous experience and new situation—the more likely it will lead to a radically new idea." << hocus "science" but a point	[17:06]
bitcoinpete	http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/06/18/where-do-new-ideas-come-from/	[17:06]
assbot	Where Do New Ideas Come From? – Phenomena: Only Human	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete there is something to the afieldness theory i think.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	i certainly use a lot of sex analogies in work fields specifically because people [english speakers] so deliberately compartimentalise the two	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	it's a process much akin to inclusive franchise - more likely to yield better ballot results.	[17:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087778 = 8.8656 BTC [+]	[17:08]
bitcoinpete	it's definitely hard for native english speakers to come up with our own sex analogies	[17:08]
bitcoinpete	because of how compartmentalized all such notions are	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	nude workday ftw.	[17:08]
Vexual	i win	[17:08]
bitcoinpete	we understand them, just generate them with difficulty	[17:09]
bitcoinpete	i really shouldn't say "we"	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[17:09]
bitcoinpete	eh it's a skill to be worked on	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	english jesus pete :D	[17:09]
bitcoinpete	lol pete is already one of those bible doods	[17:10]
bitcoinpete	i've been using a lot more analogies in irl conversation since hanging out here	[17:10]
bitcoinpete	with pretty exceptional results	[17:10]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAE8TOiZAs	[17:10]
assbot	Forest Swords - Thor's Stone (Lee 'Scratch' Perry Remix) - YouTube	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	watch out, you'rte gonna start picking up women and whatnot	[17:11]
bitcoinpete	you shoulda seen me at the club on friday night	[17:11]
bitcoinpete	lol	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	(yes, it is my considered opinion that the one sine qua non condition for successful flirting is the device of analogy. anything else people insist upon, such as looking good, being funny, having money or w/e is piss)	[17:11]
bitcoinpete	wife was in las vegas for a friend's birthday	[17:11]
bitcoinpete	analogies tie in to "being funny"	[17:12]
bitcoinpete	or they can	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	woman may enjoy to laugh, but proper analogy brings this innocent sense of wonder forth	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	which is how people fuck anyway.	[17:12]
bitcoinpete	at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	mjr_: what a treasure trove of fun memories << werd.	[17:13]
bitcoinpete	so people fuck by analogy…	[17:14]
Vexual	carvel	[17:14]
Vexual	fit fucks	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	lol yeah	[17:15]
Vexual	the undeniable	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	punkman that's a direct (ie, word-for-word, idiom-blind) translation of a highly tensed romanian text.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	basically, sung google translate.	[17:15]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/480657179918499840	[17:16]
assbot	When I say 'most confused fan at the World Cup', I obviously mean after Columbian Nazi Weed Pope. Obviously. http://t.co/TXPVYcvHyo	[17:16]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpugpzsQgus	[17:17]
assbot	kymani marley - warriors - YouTube	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	lol that's pretty good.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	i doubt the guy's confused per se. looks more like, we're lulzy to him.	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	" In the next 2 days 18 indie bands in Shoreditch will name themselves Nazi Weed Pope."	[17:19]
thestringpuller	lol i had a dream about bitcoin-assets	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	benkay: not atc // i can't tell if this is the real Vexual or if his nick's been suborned by the most clever team to date << as opposed to what, before ?	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller did it involve vigorous copulative movements ?	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	benkay: there are some gems. some. << well of course. but the guy didn't say "there's going to be A total knockout born somewhere in the US"	[17:20]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dkfdZVcRCg	[17:22]
assbot	EEK A MOUSE BITTY BONG - YouTube	[17:22]
bitcoinpete	"It is highly unlikely that most Americans feel the current rise in prices as noise. Inflation has a way of eating into every penny that you have especially when the market is flooded with debt."	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu > dogecoin mmporg in the style of Eve: <<< well... "going to", anyway.	[17:22]
bitcoinpete	http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/message-from-yellen-let-them-eat-noise/	[17:22]
assbot	Message From Yellen: Let Them Eat “Noise” \| David Stockman's Contra Corner	[17:22]
punkman	ThickAsThieves: that gives an extra 0.23 BTC	[17:23]
punkman	mircea_popescu: who wrote it?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	wrote what ?	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	don't say "it" to me like it means something bish!!! i'm eighteen lines deep	[17:23]
punkman	the tensed romanian text	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	oh. lessee	[17:23]
punkman	your "it" was the Bad Joke song, right?	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	ya	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	so it's mostly Cheloo (Cătălin Ștefan Ion), Ombladon (Bogdan Ionuț Păstacă) thyat write teh text thy play	[17:26]
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mircea_popescu	most of the stuff they write is practically chinese (ie, doesn't follow romanian topic conventions (as in most latin languages you can order the words either plainly or meaningfully in romanian), they layer an abundance of cultured reference in between common metaphor (which is a process of significating that goes one step further than the idiom, roughly used to be known in english as conceit back before the us was a t	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	hing))	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	and so trying to translate it mostly yields word salad	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete well she actually does have a point. the shreds of data people are making a big deal about are likely statistical noise.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	the systemic problems however... nobody wants to talk about those.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	lol that blondie vid is the tits. by her face you'd think she thinks she's singing inside a huge churning blender.	[17:34]
BingoBoingo	OMG a recipe for word salad, where's dotcoin?	[17:34]
Vexual	wait	[17:34]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: myeah	[17:35]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTp8rIK3nQ	[17:36]
assbot	Blondie 1975 A Girl Should Know Better CBGB. - YouTube	[17:36]
bitcoinpete	to use an analogy, fighting over a lifted toilet seat is easier than addressing the broken marriage	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxpe1oSp_sg << anyway, here's blondy back before she had fucked a truck and snorted a barge	[17:37]
assbot	Blondie - Heart of Glass 1979 Video TopPop stereo widescreen - YouTube	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	back when she had only fucked a regimen and snorted a pail	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-fabulous-baker-boys/ << the pfeiff plays something very akin to blondy in that. kickass filmn too	[17:39]
assbot	The Fabulous Baker Boys pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:39]
penguirker	New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-update-one-more-cut-before-the-big-show/	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[17:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 599.24, Best ask: 600.29, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 599.24, 24 hour volume: 4127.55171453, 24 hour low: 587.82, 24 hour high: 605.05, 24 hour vwap: 597.461641604	[17:43]
bitcoinpete	and i'm off to the course. ciao!	[17:43]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: Haha. Sorta? Well I guess Mike Caldwell came in here and it was a discussion about the USG.	[17:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: chording keyboard would've worked great on phones << In grad school I became a master of the Blackberry arts. Ran a BES instance with one user (self)	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	so he came ?	[17:45]
thestringpuller	^- was talking about the dream not RL	[17:45]
thestringpuller	(if that was directed at me)	[17:45]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oDhuIPiTQ	[17:45]
assbot	Elizabeth Hurley and Patsy Kensit in "Kill Cruise" (1990) - YouTube	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	;;google pemphigus	[17:47]
gribble	International Pemphigus Pemphigoid Foundation \| a common hope ...: ; Pemphigus Definition - Diseases and Conditions - Mayo Clinic: ; Pemphigus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[17:47]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5.01 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/783/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.68721769 BTC. Current weight: 47,522.	[17:49]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ZqN_VFhdo	[17:50]
assbot	Daft Punk - Da Funk - YouTube	[17:50]
BingoBoingo	%book	[17:50]
atcbot	35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 \| 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	lol that thing was even odds for a while	[17:52]
Vexual	%diff	[17:52]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 452941.55 in 146 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -36.68	[17:52]
Vexual	fuck 6 months	[17:52]
Vexual	:D	[17:53]
BingoBoingo	%ticker	[17:55]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 2k High: 235 Low: 222 VWAP: 222	[17:55]
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Vexual	mmmm, the other satoshi	[17:56]
Vexual	ican't belive it's not bitcoin	[17:57]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs	[17:58]
assbot	ODB - Baby, I got your money [original uncencored video] - YouTube	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	"A 1994 study in the United States, which looked at the number of sexual partners in a lifetime, found that 20% of heterosexual men had only one partner, 55% had two to twenty partners, and 25% had more than twenty partners."	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	those 5% lied and it's a neat 25-50-25 i bet	[18:00]
Vexual	and mp had a speadsheet	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	Vexual i have no idea how one can go through a lifetime and fuck less than a coupla dozen people.	[18:00]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[18:00]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WGPF1R.txt )	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, i don't know how one can go through highschool thus.	[18:00]
Vexual	i delete my logs weekly	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	but it'd prolly be pretty sad, rather frustrating and quite boring	[18:01]
Vexual	;;calc 18/23	[18:02]
gribble	0.782608695652	[18:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.04963532 = 2.9285 BTC [-] {27}	[18:02]
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BingoBoingo	;;gettrust muXne	[18:04]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user muXne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=muXne \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muXne \| Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	fwiw the Bitcoin Foundation still hasn't provided the free membership they noted all Bitcoin2014 conference attendees would be eligible for	[18:04]
BingoBoingo	;;rate muXne Markov chain	[18:04]
gribble	Error: 'Markov' is not a valid integer.	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	not that i want it	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	but i had to sign up for it to be allowed at their annual meeting	[18:05]
Vexual	bastards.	[18:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00087364 = 37.1297 BTC [-] {3}	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	uh. how would they provide it ?	[18:06]
Vexual	harry potter wand	[18:06]
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Vexual	hermione touches you and youre in	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	by making a account on their website of course	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	oh	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	maybe getting added to some email list	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	then i can bitch at them in their forum	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get what specifically is involved, other than being on an approved list	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	it	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	once you're on list X and they say list X got membership that's it, you got it	[18:09]
Vexual	i got a free ticket to hong kong thing, cost me 3bc to be disallowed onto the plane	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	's not really anything	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	i just dont wanna remove the Bitcoin Fundnation thing from my blog :(	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	lol so don't.	[18:10]
Vexual	i want my 3 bc back	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	This Website is Not a Member	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	btw, do we have any earl of dorset/rochester / pre-"glorious" revolution experts in attendance ?	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	no, that guy is busy filling out a survey about how many people he's slept with	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	lol wut	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	sorry, vexual is contagious	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many privately retained vexual interpretation experts exist so far.	[18:13]
Vexual	im not one	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	i aspire that one day the taxpayer should spend more on this than on finding a cure for cancer.	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	<+Vexual> im not one /// ha! i was gonna day 'does Vexual count?'	[18:14]
Vexual	ive heard my trust clients are happy	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	he can't count, no.	[18:15]
Vexual	i can count	[18:15]
Vexual	for a minute or two	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/mankind.html btw	[18:16]
assbot	Rochester, "A Satyr against Reason and Mankind"	[18:16]
Vexual	i prefered the one about the crow in the swamp	[18:18]
Vexual	prettuer	[18:19]
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Vexual	http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/lawson-henry/the-ballad-of-mabel-clare-0022053	[18:25]
assbot	The Ballad Of Mabel Clare - Henry Lawson - Poem - Australian Poetry Library	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	australian poet ? seriously ?	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	what is this, the future ?	[18:28]
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Vexual	yeah they have to have a punchline	[18:30]
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BingoBoingo	!jd mpif	[18:34]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 172.40505278 BTC; +0.42724399 BTC (+0.2484%) since last check 1d 23h 33m 35s ago.	[18:34]
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mircea_popescu	look kako, jdice put mpif ahead. quick, do something!	[18:35]
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kakobrekla	rm -rf wallet.dat	[18:37]
kakobrekla	ops wrong window.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	usagi backups ?	[18:39]
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kakobrekla	no, i upgraded to no backup at all	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	;;google no pok	[18:40]
gribble	NO POK - YouTube: ; RK House - YouTube: ; No Pork At All - Seven years and comment is non-stop! - YouTube:	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	!up cowloon	[18:41]
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asciilifeform	does somebody still have log gaps? i've got a nearly continuous ~90MB turd starting at oct. 2012	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you can cut off the part past 1st of may 2013, mthreat can prolly use more copies for coherence.	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	;;rate muXne 1 Markov chain	[18:46]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user muXne has been recorded.	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell moiety What did you do to the Dogers nao???	[18:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06192108 = 0.6192 BTC [+]	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[18:51]
gribble	Current Blocks: 307234 \| Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 \| Next Difficulty In: 1213 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 50 minutes, and 8 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16615191009.4 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.41758	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	What... the... fuck!	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	ikr	[18:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ba-turd.txt.gz	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	mthreat ^	[18:53]
asciilifeform	^ note that my clock is set to american east time	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	danke	[18:53]
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BingoBoingo	!up bocobit	[18:56]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I think you might predate the tradition	[18:57]
asciilifeform	when did btca materialize anyway ?	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform roughly speaking april 2012.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	but i only started using it seriously in august	[18:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.77524885 BTC to 9`505 shares, 18677 satoshi per share	[18:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7543 @ 0.00087 = 6.5624 BTC [-] {2}	[19:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00086374 = 17.8794 BTC [-] {2}	[19:02]
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assbot	Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » Eigenmorality	[19:06]
punkman	"So, how would an eigendemocracy suss out the truth about who trusts whom on which subject? I don’t have a very good answer to this, and am open to suggestions. The best idea so far is to use Facebook for this purpose, but I don’t know exactly how."	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	punkman who's this ?	[19:10]
punkman	dignork's link	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	o yea	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	dignork maybe suggest this chan to the author ?	[19:11]
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mircea_popescu	!up ak__	[19:13]
-assbot-	You voiced ak__ for 30 minutes.	[19:13]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally his definition is both a) quite strong and b) what i actually use	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	the proposition that it's borne by history seems also quite defensible	[19:13]
BingoBoingo	http://oglaf.com/morality/	[19:14]
assbot	Morality Play	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	http://oglaf.com/morality/	[19:14]
assbot	Morality Play	[19:14]
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mircea_popescu	lol funny fit	[19:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as english language free press. << OMG Trilema's jig is up!!!	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	it's not teh press omg.	[19:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05300003 = 0.795 BTC [-] {2}	[19:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.053 = 1.325 BTC [-] {3}	[19:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10157 @ 0.00086735 = 8.8097 BTC [+]	[19:29]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.056 = 0.504 BTC [+]	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	"So for example, even if someone is unfailingly nice to you, if that person is an asshole to everyone else, then the eigenmoses moral code would demand that you return the person’s cooperation with icy defection."	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	lol such bs.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	the model needs ego.	[19:37]
mthreat	<+Azelphur> mthreat: I hear you want logs? I have Apr 11 2012 onwards << myeah that'd be great	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: You sure do use the disclaimers /// pretty pro, huh?	[19:39]
thestringpuller	lol everytime MPOE goes below 800000 there is a buying frenzy	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah bro	[19:39]
thestringpuller	80000 sastoshi*	[19:39]
thestringpuller	ugh	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	Even though the measures acquit themselves well in this particular tournament, it’s admittedly easy to construct scenarios where the prescriptions of eigenjesus and eigenmoses alike violently diverge from most people’s moral intuitions. We’ve already touched on a few such scenarios above (for example, are you really morally obligated to lick the boots of someone who kicks you, just because that person is a saint	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	to everyone other than you?). << dpends if you're aiming to lead or to follow.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	does anyone feel like putting some work into python simulation ?	[19:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05699475 = 0.6269 BTC [+] {2}	[19:40]
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thestringpuller	python for simulations...? sound like it'll be running a long time...	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller academics, what do they know.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 what are you doing these days ?	[19:41]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28l0pf/most_blatant_extortion_ive_ever_seen_on/	[19:42]
assbot	Most blatant extortion I've ever seen on localbitcoins.com forums : Bitcoin	[19:42]
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dignork	ThickAsThieves: the guy obviously doesn't know that LBC trades are going through escrow, so he can only damage some ratings. That is, unless buyers are clinical idiots, and release funds first.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	let's run through this dignork	[19:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05699467 = 1.1399 BTC [-] {2}	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	you (D) want to buy LTC. Seller (S) and scammer (X) and escrow (E) are the other players.	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	d contacts x, x contacts s, sets up deal with e, obtains bank acct.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	x sends bank acct to d, d pays to account, s receives it, s says so to e	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	e releases ltc to x	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	x disappears.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	escrow deals are easily defeated by triangulation, which is why wot is still a thing where escrow is a noob toy.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	rather than vice-versa.	[19:48]
dignork	x will have to show his escrow balance, otherwise d won't pay	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	d doesn't know to ask.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	x has a multitude of ways to fake it, too.	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.05592064 = 1.4539 BTC [-] {2}	[19:49]
dignork	this is d assumed to be an idiot, or x have non-trivial ability to impersonate e	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	both are true to sufficient degree for the practical needs of the swindle in question.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	think of it, this is a space where fucktarded "community members" aptly represented by the "bitcoin foundation" and well catered for by the power rangers a) gave half a million btc to trendon shavers and then b) gave half a million btc to silk road	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	thus creating a one million btc headache for me and everyone else seriously comitted to making btc the end of western style government.	[19:52]
dignork	well, so e would be able to fight it in court, but e doesn't want to get into court in the first place, so yeah, it has some merits	[19:52]
benkay	perfect contender for a bitcoin jesushood then // bitcoin crucifixion	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	dignork for that matter, x can simply convey d's request for proof to e	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	e has to satisfy it.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	x now can prove to d.	[19:54]
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mircea_popescu	now how many "escrows" on the "market" have the sense to include a "Issued for use of X" thus defeating this mitm ?	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	yes, they have to be clinically brain injured, as you say. guess what ? they fucking are	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	and they think this is fine and "a community"	[19:55]
dignork	mircea_popescu: LBC can divert this attack, by making e submit bank details	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	and fuck you for being mean and dispariging them	[19:55]
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dignork	then x won't be able to open a trading account with duplicate details	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	maybe	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the most you get here, a sort of up and down and all around maybe.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	and by now yuour defense has reduced to trying to implement a broken sort of wot anyway	[19:57]
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dignork	it is a general weak system problem - anyone knowing my bank account details (any freaking vendor i had business before) can create bad transactions in my name, he might get some money, or not, I'll definitely get some headache	[20:00]
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asciilifeform	dignork: whenever you see a field where it seems as if 'cryptography never happened' - answer is always a misallocation of 'skin in game'	[20:01]
asciilifeform	e.g. bank doesn't eat the loss from fraud	[20:01]
benkay	sort-of like the teenage slut born to wealth that skips a lot of school, and gets herself knocked up. not only is she getting some candy to "compensate" her for the abortion, but she also gets to blame her cocaine habit on the bad boy that "seduced" her. // my favorite is the one who gets her own condo and a photo studio to play with and raise her kid in	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	hey, mine too.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	dignork even if you take the banks out of it, the escrow model is still weak to distributed identity attacks	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	which is a degenerate form taken by sybil attack in the degenerate wot that escrow is	[20:04]
benkay	;;later tell bitcoinpete at the club i ran into some classmates from highschool. the looks on their faces were pretty golden // whence the startle?	[20:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	and for that matter, this scam has a history older than steam. entreprising young american fellows used to canvass old world ads for girls looking to marry, then forward the details to old rich american to pay for thepassage	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	and pick the girl up himself.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	women being a... consumable commodity, which once consumed has very strong incentives to stick	[20:06]
asciilifeform	this scam will never die. every so often around here you hear of somebody caught stealing packages from doorsteps. same idea.	[20:06]
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asciilifeform	the thief may or may not have 'insider' tip on who just ordered new laptop, gold bar, etc	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	and in principle, to make the point whole, for all those who wish the "good old days" were to return : they can not. they have been defeated in the field, through being weak to such things.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i know for one i would never marry in other way than through making some old fart pay for it thus, were i living in 1814	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	as a matter of principle.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	and so you can't have any sort of "conservative morality" predicated on anything in the set of ("women not being sluts", "god fearing", "wealth and power by age rather than with and connection")	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	s/with/wit	[20:09]
punkman	mircea_popescu: yeah maybe I can do a simulation	[20:09]
asciilifeform	simulation of what ?	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	punkman i would be very interested to see what happens if someone were to take the guy;'s idea, clean all the crap off it, and then add what's missing.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	by crap i mean, i suspect the academic used WAY TO FEW bots. use 100s of each type, and do millions of rounds, for goof statistics. similar things.	[20:10]
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asciilifeform	ah that	[20:10]
asciilifeform	;;google social learning tournament	[20:11]
gribble	Social Learning Strategies Tournament - The Laland Lab: ; Social Learning Strategies Tournament II - The Laland Lab: ; Social Learning Strategies Tournament \| Facebook: (1 more message)	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	and by what's missing, i mean ego. the bots must consider themselves equally important to the whole world.	[20:11]
dignork	mircea_popescu: what kind of data do you want to use, current WoT is tiny	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	which is, if this switch can either kill me or kill the world, throwing it is even odds.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	dignork random generated.	[20:11]
asciilifeform	(think: axelrod's classic 'prisoner' tournament - 'on steroids')	[20:11]
aabtc	aegis agamemnon23 ak__ AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot atian Azelphur	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i recall we discussingsomething similar months ago	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=axelrod	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	here we go	[20:12]
assbot	axelrod	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	omfg i love mthreat	[20:12]
asciilifeform	the laland tourney is considerably more interesting imho	[20:12]
punkman	mircea_popescu, I'll give it a look, see how much I grok	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	works.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform which one was that ?	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	punkman prolly also drop the guy a link to the logs	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	multiple sources can't hurt :p	[20:14]
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asciilifeform	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989663	[20:15]
assbot	Why Copy Others? Insights from the Social Learning Strategies Tournament	[20:15]
asciilifeform	^ paper on winners from Tourney 1	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	punkman also, the bs "nice" has to be thrown out, it's meaningless. just count who starts wars.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	(which approach probably would improve the original paper a lot too, just re-do it but not counting totals, merely counting cases of backstabbing)	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	probably publishable as a paper if you can be bothered to run in that threadmill	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the part i find the lulziest about these recent academic papers on google page rank is just how utterly broken it is in the field, defeated by hundreds if not thousands of different approaches implemented by scores more different agencies.	[20:18]
asciilifeform	the gods of spam - always win	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	it's almost as if being a scientist consisted entirely of beating the cheap boarding houses and asylums to select out of the pox ridden old hags "the paragons of beauty"	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	that perhaps they were, twenty years prior, back in their flap days	[20:19]
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mircea_popescu	(for the esl folk, a flap is an affectionate term for a prepubescent prostitute, also used for uppity, vivacious girls in general, as a testament to the traditional positive social view on tween prostitution)	[20:20]
asciilifeform	seniority-based structure will do that.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[20:20]
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asciilifeform	obligatory:	[20:21]
asciilifeform	;;google tarver decline and fall	[20:21]
gribble	Why I am Not a Professor - Lambda Associates: ; my pdf copy: ; Former HCC student charged in 1-year-old's death - Herald-Mail:	[20:21]
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asciilifeform	'You can routinely find lecturers with more than a hundred published papers and you marvel at these paradigms of human creativity. These are people, you think, who are fit to challenge Mozart who wrote a hundred pieces or more of music. And then you get puzzled that, in this modern world, there should be so many Mozarts - almost one for every department. The more prosaic truth emerges when you scan the titles	[20:22]
asciilifeform	of these epics. First, the author rarely appears alone, sharing space with two or three others. Often the collaborators are Ph.D. students who are routinely doing most of the spade work on some low grant in the hope of climbing the greasy pole. Dividing the number of titles by the author's actual contribution probably reduces those hundred papers to twenty-five. Then looking at the titles themselves, you'll see	[20:22]
asciilifeform	that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	i'm not a professor because i find fucking and beating a few selected girls at a time a lot more effectual than merely speaking to an entire gaggle, who also cling to naive misrepresentations as of their "rights" and "freedoms".	[20:22]
benkay	"For wits are treated just like common whores:	[20:23]
benkay	First they're enjoyed, and then kicked out of doors."	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	how're enjoyin' the logs mr vulpes ?	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	lol derp goes right into how "they've won the scientific debate on climate change"	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	except "deniers make phony think tanks"	[20:26]
asciilifeform	where's this	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	same article above, with the bad model for evaluating bots.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	by now im quite thankful for this entire global warming scam. it saves me so much reading.	[20:27]
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asciilifeform	it's a scam of the desperation/starvation variety. armies of folks conned into burning their lives for 'degree' want to eat.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	want to stave off Butugychag.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	in a sense their intuition is quite correct : the world is in fact ending.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	just, their world isn't really THE world. but then again who knows this ever.	[20:29]
benkay	"Adore those shrines of virtue, homage pay,	[20:30]
benkay	And, with the rabble world, their laws obey.	[20:30]
benkay	If such there be, yet grant me this at least: [220]	[20:30]
benkay	Man differs more from man, than man from beast."	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	goatfuckers had a point all along huh	[20:30]
benkay	log challenge doesn't grow less with the ability to parse it quickly - now all the time saved reading quickly and ignoring the noise goes into reading the things herein linked.	[20:31]
benkay	particularly good reading today, mircea_popescu, ty to yourself and asciilifeform	[20:31]
benkay	and i think punkman	[20:31]
benkay	mmm. search engines.	[20:32]
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mircea_popescu	i think the deal is kako gets the praise for the logs,	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	i just get the arguments	[20:33]
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benkay	pfhah	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	ha! now this may be a good formalisation of the vc problem. birdy whispers in my ear : "all those guys trying for financial dominance without intellectual dominance ? ya, that'll work..."	[20:34]
mthreat	btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ? << I got asciilifeform's ba-turd file. But I'm not sure what format kako wants. search.b-a gets all of its info from log.b-a by crawling, since I link to it in the search results.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	ah	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what format would you want ?	[20:36]
thestringpuller	!mpif	[20:37]
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mircea_popescu	mthreat the linking is particularly useful tho. is the crawl inefficient ?	[20:37]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: not really, it's pretty easy.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	cool	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	past days don't change anyway so you do once a day as it were ?	[20:37]
mthreat	once Iset up the cron, yeah something like that :) Maybe twice a day, whatever.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[20:38]
benkay	this eigenmoses and eigenjesus stuff is interesting in that sir thomas moore follows the eigenjesus strategy	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	benkay how do you figure ? and it's more	[20:39]
mthreat	kako may choose to renumber the ids (used for the anchors) since he'll be backfilling prior to his current "epoch" day	[20:39]
mthreat	if he does that, i'll just have to recrawl to make the links work	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	can just use negative	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	seems more... apt.	[20:40]
mthreat	heh... like 300 BC	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	yup	[20:41]
mthreat	we'll call it "BMT" before mthreat	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[20:41]
benkay	well i'm probably wrong, but STM doesn't actively work against KR - just refuses to help him in his immoral quest	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	you are not humble and therefore can not be given a ton of power.	[20:41]
benkay	"Imagine, for instance, that 98% of the players are unfailingly nice to each other, but unfailingly cruel to the remaining 2% (who they can recognize, let’s say, by their long noses or darker skin—some trivial feature like that). Meanwhile, the put-upon 2% return the favor by being nice to each other and mean to the 98%. Who, in this scenario, is moral, and who’s immoral? The mathematical verdict of both eigenmoses and eigenjesus is	[20:41]
benkay	unequivocal: the 98% are almost perfectly good, while the 2% are almost perfectly evil. After all, the 98% are nice to almost everyone, while the 2% are mean to those who are nice to almost everyone, and nice only to a tiny minority who are mean to almost everyone. Of course, for much of human history, this is precisely how morality worked, in many people’s minds. But I dare say it’s a result that would make moderns uncomfortable."	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	benkay you read what, the book ? saw the movie ?	[20:41]
benkay	i've only seen the movie.	[20:41]
benkay	i'm referring to the character in the play/movie.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	yes well. more is a loyal subject of the king.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean "work against" ?	[20:42]
benkay	yeah, good question.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	what is this revolutionary scandalous licentiousness where a subject may be allowed to pass himself as moral agent equal to his sovereign ?	[20:42]
benkay	i mean i need more coffee and a caning.	[20:42]
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benkay	but if the sovereign is demonstrably immoral and god sayeth otherwise?	[20:43]
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mircea_popescu	a sovereign can not be demonstrably immoral tho is the problem	[20:43]
benkay	my loyalty is first to god - and then the king.	[20:44]
decimation	benkay: is that quote from the play?	[20:44]
benkay	decimation: my tortured imagination.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	what quote	[20:45]
asciilifeform	bus driver can demonstrably suck (machine careens of a cliff.) it does not follow that bus should be rebuilt with a steering wheel for each passenger - etc	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform except what is a cliff ?	[20:45]
benkay	divorce ;)	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass can not be distinguished from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes upon the monarch by loyal subjects	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	this is yet again the degenerate form of the sybill attack for a degenerate wot	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	there's very little difference between feudalism and escrow	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	in fact, feudalism is a means of working land held in escrow.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lemme try for proper english over here.	[20:47]
benkay	it boils down to he who may destroy is the sovereign?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	loyal subjects can not distinguish the situation where the sovereign is a dumbass from the situation where evil people are prevailing with their treason and schemes.	[20:47]
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mircea_popescu	benkay you will note that more only forms a moral judgement once he is no longer subject to his king	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	ie, once they get that schmuck to lie under oath and convict him of treason	[20:48]
decimation	indeed, giving those loyal subjects universal sufferage solves nothing	[20:49]
benkay	that's when he discloses it. it's clear he's had the opinion for a long time.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	no such thing is clear.	[20:49]
benkay	hm	[20:49]
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decimation	that very point was the climax of the movie (man for all seasons)	[20:50]
kakobrekla	mthreat dunno, csv, mysql, what have you got ?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	decimation nah, the climax was when he shows himself an eunuch	[20:50]
mthreat	kakobrekla: I'll be parsing the log file asciilifeform provided, so I can put it in whatever format, or you can just take the irc log file and parse it on your end.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	up to the point where he rebuffs roper you may entertain the notion more is a whole man. but after he admits he will grant the other's safety for his own safety's sake you know he's not.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	mthreat ever got mine ?	[20:51]
mthreat	belgium beats russia 1-0	[20:51]
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mthreat	mircea_popescu: yeah but asciilifeform's overlaps	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	mine starts earlier im pretty sure ? or not ?	[20:52]
kakobrekla	my logs are all fucked up i dun wanna parse that.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	ideally this should be done once and cover the whole shjebang	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ship them to him ?	[20:52]
mthreat	yours only had march/april 2013 I think	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	2012. look again.	[20:52]
kakobrekla	but if theres a coherent version out there i can parse it	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	and also ever got Azelphur's version ?	[20:53]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: not yet	[20:53]
kakobrekla	my logs are more work than worth	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	kako a ok	[20:53]
mthreat	kakobrekla: also you'll have to figure out how to number entries before your current entry #1 (April 26, 2013)	[20:53]
kakobrekla	into negative ofc	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	here's an interesting if unrelated point : what characteristic of classical english theatre, cca 1600s, was shared by both classical french and italian, but not ever since ? so that 99.x% of all good plays, all good actors and all good performances have this one thing in common, that's not been seen again ?	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	(and the same holds for opera)	[20:55]
decimation	exquisite set-making?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	mnope	[20:56]
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decimation	well, I don't have french or italian, but Shakspeare's plays were ... poetry	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	turns out, it's that they were all produced for a small audience of the same people.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	consequently the producers were forced to iterate a lot and fail fast	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	and the audience knew the craft better than any debutante.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing.	[20:58]
decimation	Thomas Carlyle on the wisdom of crowds: "Your ship cannot double Cape Horn by its excellent plans of voting. The ship may vote this and that, above decks and below, in the most harmonious exquisitely constitutional manner: the ship, to get round Cape Horn, will find a set of conditions already voted for, and fixed with adamantine rigour by the ancient Elemental Powers, who are entirely careless how you vote." http://books.google.com/	[21:00]
assbot	Google Books	[21:00]
decimation	books?id=5OsNAQAAMAAJ	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder how many of the inept scientists of today realise just how amusing their global warming pretenses are	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	"lo and behold, we should be affraid that democracy is now in peril of falling out of the box and revoting cape horn"	[21:01]
decimation	the Patagonian cliffs care not for word-smithing and spinning	[21:02]
benkay	i've always thought it a rather bad idea to be burning everything at hand, just on the principle that i don't want to be breathing crap all the time.	[21:02]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: ok once I get Azelphur's, i'll turn them all into a mysql dump and send it to kakobrekla. Then once kako gets them on log.b-a, i'll just crawl-backfill.	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	benkay problem is that approach contradicts the "world peace" approach. not burn anytihng at hand but clothe and feed anyone at hand ?	[21:03]
decimation	one can simultaneously believe global warming is a scam and also consider the coal plant down the street to be ruinous	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	would you rather have soot or shit ?	[21:03]
decimation	plutonium for me	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	mthreat seems reasonable. were yopu able to find my 2012 bits or did i accidentally only send you one file of two ?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	decimation no no, "we should tax everything and put the money into '''research'''"	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	only THAT is the correct way to solve all the world's p[roblems	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	in other words, two mice disagreed once on how to split a chunk of cheese they had found. so the cat ate the cheese, and the mice.	[21:05]
decimation	actually, at least one of the mice was probably on the cat's side	[21:05]
decimation	after all, it's better to have no humans at all than to have kulaks etc	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	yes. one of the mice was oi the cat's left side	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	while the other in the right	[21:06]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: yah you were correct. But as you said, your log has gaps, so hopefully Azelphur's logs are more complete.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	hopefully ya	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	to be a modest chap, the logs kinda exist because i had this irresponsible attitude where i'd only log while awake, and so things got lost.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	let it not be said that irresponsible laziness has not made nice things	[21:07]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is one of those weirdos who actually turns his computer on and off ?!	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	yea	[21:08]
decimation	well, one can be certain of its state when power is not applied	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:09]
decimation	save wake-on-lan nastiness	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	no such thing	[21:09]
asciilifeform	someone actually uses wake on lan !?!	[21:10]
decimation	well, impi, remote access, all the same kind of thing	[21:10]
asciilifeform	who the hell has impi on a 'human' box ?	[21:10]
decimation	I considered buying a server with that feature so I could remotely access it without a monitor	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	Instituto Mexicano de la Propiedad Industrial. Registre su marca hoy.	[21:11]
decimation	but yeah, not on a workstation	[21:11]
decimation	I'm glad I didn't in retrospect - was gonna buy a supermicro - before, I could pretend it was secure, now we know otherwise	[21:12]
asciilifeform	i never understood the popularity of the crud. an ip-kvm is what, a few hundy? why attach proprietary strange to your front bus?	[21:12]
decimation	well, to me the major attraction beside the ip-kvm is the power cycle feature	[21:13]
decimation	but that can be had for even less money honestly	[21:13]
asciilifeform	the high-end kvm have power relays	[21:13]
decimation	interestingly, old dell RAC cards had a feature where you could actually "view" the monitor over ssh	[21:14]
asciilifeform	is ipmi one of those 'may as well hang for a sheep' affairs, where folks use intel cpu, etc and know they're already owned anyway	[21:14]
asciilifeform	e.g. whore with aids might as well contract syphilis	[21:14]
decimation	yeah you are right ascii, but you do realize that nearly all public and private entities in the US fall into that category	[21:15]
decimation	here's how the SEC put it: http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments	[21:16]
assbot	Investor Alert: Bitcoin and Other Virtual Currency-Related Investments \| Investor.gov	[21:16]
decimation	"Not insured. While securities accounts at U.S. brokerage firms are often insured by the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) and bank accounts at U.S. banks are often insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), bitcoins held in a digital wallet or Bitcoin exchange currently do not have similar protections."	[21:16]
decimation	why would you want to live outside the benevolent "protection" of USG?	[21:17]
decimation	honestly that "alert" is a pretty good pitch for Bitcoin	[21:18]
thestringpuller	how would you even insure bitcoins and who would insure them?	[21:22]
thestringpuller	only MP has the capital to actually insure anyone...	[21:22]
thestringpuller	(insure anyone worht insuring)	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	nobody can insure bitcoin in the sipc/fdic sense, because nobody can print them.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	that type of insurance is typical manufacturer insurance, "that the product be free of defects or replaced"	[21:24]
thestringpuller	what about the sense of car insurance?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	and so in this sense, it's not that bitcoin isn't insured in that way. it's moreover that bank deposits etc aren't, and the continuance of the fraudulent pretense to the contrary promulgated by various usg agencies among which the sec above strictly depends on it not being needed.	[21:24]
thestringpuller	wow	[21:25]
thestringpuller	profound...	[21:25]
thestringpuller	(cause it's true)	[21:25]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: Indeed, which is why this "alert" is so amusing. "Seizing or freezing bitcoins. Law enforcement officials may have difficulty seizing or freezing illicit proceeds held in bitcoins. Bitcoin wallets are encrypted and unlike money held in a bank or brokerage account, bitcoins may not be held by a third-party custodian."	[21:31]
decimation	Don't use Bitcoin because we can't take it away from you, at our option	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	but that's exactly the concept. my slavegirl might not want to visit you in a room you can lock at your option.	[21:32]
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decimation	so to be clear, it used to be the case that in order for someone to seize "your" money, they had to show up at your house and take your physical coins	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	!up nerdfiles	[21:33]
-assbot-	You voiced nerdfiles for 30 minutes.	[21:33]
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mircea_popescu	well yes, but this was before a time people expected the king pick up their apothecary bill.	[21:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.05527325 = 2.7637 BTC [-] {7}	[21:34]
decimation	lol Carlyle has the same "non-persons" theory: "If the unfathomable Universe has decided to reject Human Beavers pretending to be Men; and will abolish, pretty rapidly perhaps, in hideous mud-deluges, their 'markets' and them, unless they think of it??In that case it were better to think of it: and the Democracies and Universal Suffrages, I can observe, will require to modify themselves a good deal!"	[21:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19735993 = 0.9868 BTC [+] {3}	[21:39]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[21:39]
gribble	Current Blocks: 307250 \| Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 \| Next Difficulty In: 1197 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16522880011.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 22.7319	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation and so they have modified themselves. no man living with carlyle would regard the average existence of today's westerner as anything but the most abject imprisonment	[21:41]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust casascius	[21:41]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user casascius: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=casascius \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=casascius \| Rated since: Fri May 13 00:14:25 2011	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	so... they've modified themselves, to take more cock with less fretting.	[21:41]
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moiety	;; later tell BingoBoingo I simply said "fuck you" to someone and the whole place started convulsing with butthurt.. and then made it worse by demonstrating remorse lvl : -40	[22:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	wait wut	[22:13]
moiety	i upset the doge people last night	[22:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0586998 = 0.6457 BTC [+]	[22:15]
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benkay	cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 56 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0003. 24 hr volume: 310 megadoge	[22:19]
benkay	http://celiabasto.tumblr.com/post/88217340700	[22:20]
assbot	celia basto \| 100% art \| 100% ART	[22:20]
punkman	let there be blog http://extemporized.com/	[22:21]
assbot	extemporized	[22:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00087187 = 13.5576 BTC [+] {2}	[22:24]
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chetty	moiety: don't you know women are not allowed to curse	[22:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0586999 = 0.7631 BTC [-]	[22:33]
kakobrekla	;;later tell vexual log would be better off without your jewtube links.	[22:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:34]
moiety	chetty: i'm a disgrace i know XD i find it so hard when they are such idiots	[22:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.0586999 = 1.5262 BTC [-]	[22:39]
penguirker	New blog post: http://extemporized.com/2014/introducing-bitbet-py/	[22:42]
penguirker	New blog post: http://extemporized.com/2014/hello-world/	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> such are the blessings of closed society : that art may flourish. democracy and social mobility allows for no such thing. //// or a small society --- but maybe i'm splitting hairs	[22:42]
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FabianB	mircea_popescu: my logs are burried in old backups on disks at a place i'm unlikely to be at in the next 2 to 3 weeks, so unless it's still useful by then i'll keep them there	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	FabianB kk	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	let there be blog http://extemporized.com/ << yours ?	[22:44]
assbot	extemporized	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	sweet	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the smaller it gets, the harder it is to say	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	"democracy" as practiced among a hundred that know each other is no democracy anyway	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	understood, i'm more pointing out that size is a factor, as in, it being closed isn't enough, it also can't be large	[22:46]
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ThickAsThieves	i also wonder if age is a factor as well	[22:47]
ThickAsThieves	probably on a curve	[22:47]
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chetty	ThickAsThieves,avg life in the time frame was short, if you lived very long you likely had more wisdom (which is why you lived)	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	i'm more referring to the the dynamics of a closed society in an effort to bring quality/robustness or whatever	[22:51]
chetty	not sure age counts for much anymore	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	age of the group	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	not the individual	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	maybe inextricable	[22:51]
chetty	I think closed is kinda relative tho, more like the semi-permeable membrane	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	like #b-a	[22:54]
chetty	exactly	[22:56]
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chetty	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JURORS_SOCIAL_MEDIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-22-11-58-35	[22:58]
assbot	News from The Associated Press	[22:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00086737 = 1.4312 BTC [-]	[23:07]
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ThickAsThieves	http://btcoracle.com/index.php is this OneFixt?	[23:14]
assbot	BTCOracle \| bitcoin binary options trading	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	!up OneFixt	[23:14]
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OneFixt	yup	[23:15]
OneFixt	wait, no	[23:15]
OneFixt	not me, misread	[23:15]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[23:15]
OneFixt	lol	[23:15]
ThickAsThieves	good to know	[23:15]
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ThickAsThieves	coindesk has to articles about people offering bitcoin options, neither mentions mpex	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	well it doesn't offer them anymore	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves can't be large ? hm. the hansa was very large. i believe it can be quite large.	[23:25]
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Mats_cd03	i wonder how long it will take for a decent price signal to materialize	[23:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00086529 = 35.6499 BTC [-] {3}	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	there's little incentive for it yet.	[23:31]
ThickAsThieves	look at that boner https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Trading.aspx	[23:31]
assbot	ICBIT Web Trading	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	OneFixt you got teh logs ?	[23:34]
OneFixt	which logs?	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	of here.	[23:35]
OneFixt	some, why?	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	ah. well we're trying to make a canonical version of 2012 - april 2013	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	if you got usable stuff dump to mthreat	[23:35]
OneFixt	ah	[23:35]
OneFixt	mine is not at all easy to dump unfortunately	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	kay.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[23:36]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 596.1, Best ask: 598.15, Bid-ask spread: 2.05000, Last trade: 598.15, 24 hour volume: 4096.67247212, 24 hour low: 587.82, 24 hour high: 605.05, 24 hour vwap: 598.315804175	[23:36]
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FabianB	$traded	[23:39]
empyex	FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR	[23:39]
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