Forum logs for 21 Jan 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu deadweasel lol yw. [03:01]
mircea_popescu so openbsd went from being in the red to 100k overnight huh. cool beans. [03:02]
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KRS1 Many thanks mircea_popescu, much appreciated. =] [03:10]
mircea_popescu i didn't do nuttin [03:11]
KRS1 nvm then lol [03:11]
mircea_popescu it's all the other copycats [03:11]
mircea_popescu google et co. [03:11]
KRS1 i dont know the details ok [03:11]
KRS1 ill check now [03:11]
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KRS1 i didnt know Rev. Chris Capuccio was a big contributor. I was a customer of his 15-20 yrs ago for a while. [03:12]
mircea_popescu turns out openbsd really is quite popular in all the places that aren't social media. [03:13]
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KRS1 Chris helped me get on board with openssh very early on and I haven't looked back since. [03:15]
KRS1 At the time I was still using SunOS. [03:15]
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mircea_popescu is sunos still being maintained ? [03:16]
benkay "we won't be one-upped by some no-brand bitcoiner!" [03:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00099321 = 11.124 BTC [-] [03:18]
mircea_popescu whoa making the billion happen huh [03:18]
benkay wow mpoe rallying hard [03:18]
mircea_popescu i like all the "no way there is a bitcoin billionaire, brb let me push the stock up" [03:18]
KRS1 haha thats awesome [03:19]
benkay all the 'analysts': 'well mp notionally has some nK BTC' and conveniently disregard mpoe holdings [03:19]
benkay s/conveniently disregard/have no idea 'cause derp [03:19]
KRS1 I think sunOS got brought in by some open sourcers who stripped the licensed shit. [03:19]
KRS1 such little support for it made it crapware imo [03:20]
mircea_popescu the way internet analysticing works is like this : the sun rises. up until noon, hail of posts explaining how it's the moon, the aliens, the weather baloons [03:20]
mircea_popescu after noon, hail of post explaining how the author has been always [or at least past six hours] saying the sun was always there and it won't ever set, either. [03:20]
pankkake accounting for shares probably bothers some as most of theirs are crap/scams/lost [03:20]
mircea_popescu that may be a point, i suppose a good chunk of people hanging on past the three month noob expiration date do so strictly on the basis of insulating their thinking and their memory. [03:21]
pankkake but that would be fun to have stats like the forbes top100… I bet you'd see a lot of ups and downs [03:22]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [03:22]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [03:22]
mircea_popescu well mike_c seems to be doing some of that. [03:22]
mircea_popescu the glbse & successors numbers were pretty fabulous, back in the day someone still thought it's funny [03:22]
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pankkake it's not focused on people's holdings [03:23]
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mircea_popescu "A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world." [03:23]
pankkake rags-to-riches-to-rags [03:23]
mircea_popescu gotta like people. [03:23]
benkay mircea_popescu u don't work [03:24]
pankkake yes, bill gates probably isn't a billionnaire [03:24]
mircea_popescu there should be a special department of ibiza, aruba and whatever, attached to the irs. [03:24]
decimation re:sunos see the openindiana project http://openindiana.org [03:24]
mircea_popescu if your tax return exceed the official "has made it figure", they send you your moving papers. [03:24]
mircea_popescu benkay yes, but I CHARGE, which is almost as bad. [03:24]
mircea_popescu decimation aha ? [03:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05300001 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2} [03:26]
pankkake OpenIndinia is the open source fork of Solaris, but Solaris is still maintained by Oracle, as closed source [03:27]
decimation yeah [03:27]
decimation for background see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc [03:27]
decimation there are excellent quotes in there [03:27]
benkay then transcribe them [03:27]
benkay videos have the worst s/n ratio on the internet [03:28]
benkay well reddit may be worse [03:28]
mircea_popescu o wait, sunos IS solaris isn't it [03:28]
decimation "it is a mistake to anthropromorphize larry ellison" [03:28]
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mircea_popescu they just rebranded it some time ago [03:28]
pankkake decimation: lol [03:28]
mircea_popescu haha [03:28]
* pankkake sold, watching [03:29]
benkay wow whole table is lolling, decimation [03:29]
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benkay oh god it's an hour long [03:29]
benkay keep the quotes coming! [03:29]
KRS1 mircea_popescu- yes solaris [03:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0498 = 0.498 BTC [-] {6} [03:29]
KRS1 even though it was rebranded login still looked like: [03:29]
KRS1 SunOS [ver] [03:29]
KRS1 Login: [03:29]
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KRS1 Sun's CDE looked like something from Fisher Price [03:31]
mircea_popescu i suppose since everyone linked my twitter i should fish out a password for that account huh [03:31]
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pankkake a bit like altcoins, they often miss Bitcoins to rename [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04137842 = 0.3724 BTC [-] {4} [03:31]
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decimation The upshot of the video is that the smart kernel developers working for Sun spent years arranging to open source the entire codebase [03:32]
decimation when Oracle bought them, Larry promptly closed everything. The stuff that had already been open (under the Sun Community License) remained in the open. [03:32]
decimation The "illumos" project picked it up and made it work, "openindiana" is a distribution based on that [03:33]
decimation I guess if you want a working implementation of zfs, that's what you need to use [03:33]
KRS1 imp the fruits of the open source efforts was derpy [03:33]
decimation Redhat has released 'btrfs' in its 7.0 beta release [03:34]
decimation I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole [03:34]
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decimation I guess. I'm not sure it's ready for production [03:35]
pankkake I like btrfs' smart compression system; if the file doesn't look compressible it stops trying [03:36]
pankkake oh? [03:37]
decimation at 35:15 "What you think of Oracle is even 'truer' than you think it is." [03:37]
pankkake well lz4 wasn't an option when it was introduced [03:37]
pankkake oh right, patches exists but not merged or something [03:37]
decimation "There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle." [03:39]
pankkake I guess you can use bcache with it [03:39]
mircea_popescu lol [03:39]
mircea_popescu this log will be useful the next time the clueless start-up ceo knowitall starts namedropping tech stuff. [03:39]
pankkake yeah [03:39]
pankkake it's not on freebsd either right? [03:40]
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decimation "Larry Ellison has been involved with two philanthropic organizations: first he made a 500 or 300 million dollar donation to Stanford. Oh, that sounds good. ... in exchange for not admitting wrongdoing in an options backdating scandal" [03:41]
pankkake eh… I wonder which is the most popular zfs OS now [03:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2} [03:41]
decimation "and then, all other philanthropic work is to Larry Ellison's Institute for the Prolonging Of Life ... namely his" [03:42]
pankkake even when freebsd offers more "official" support? [03:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00099321 = 7.6477 BTC [-] [03:42]
pankkake oh [03:43]
pankkake so not so much duplicated work [03:43]
decimation Diablo, is there a relationship between those people and the btrfs people? [03:43]
pankkake haha [03:43]
pankkake "sun had a political model like somalia" [03:44]
mircea_popescu all this hero talk reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZVac0GnZ9g#t=263 [03:47]
decimation I donno. I think the Google model has shown that's it's probably better to run many dedicated servers and do your file redundancy/synchronization at the application layer. [03:48]
benkay decimation: what's the timestamp for the options-backdating thinger? [03:48]
decimation around 37:32 [03:48]
mircea_popescu benkay http://jurist.org/forum/2006/11/criminal-excess-backdating-stock.php [03:48]
benkay mircea_popescu decimation: can either of you help me source the donation to stanford claim? [03:50]
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mircea_popescu what part ? that he donated some dough to stanford ? [03:52]
benkay nevermind. [03:53]
decimation according to his wikipedia page it appears it was part of a settlement of some kind [03:53]
benkay amazing [03:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:53]
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benkay corruption is what people without access to the levers of power call access to the lever of powers [03:53]
benkay levers* power* [03:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00099321 = 15.0471 BTC [-] [03:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00099327 = 33.8705 BTC [+] {2} [03:56]
decimation speaking of the ruination that fiat finance brings to everything, here's Philip Greenspun on prices back in in the 1890's [03:56]
decimation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/01/18/prices-back-in-the-old-days/ [03:56]
mircea_popescu a point not nearly made often enough. [03:56]
ozbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Prices back in the old days [03:56]
decimation ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ? [03:57]
mircea_popescu yes. obvious stuff like "the us was made great BY inequality and was rendered pitiful BY equality" [04:00]
decimation Hugh Hendry has made the point that China is screwed because its industrialization is taking place under a fiat regime, wheras the US was industrialized under a more-or-less gold standard [04:01]
decimation His thesis is that this has led to massive overproduction by China to game the large aggregate economic figures [04:01]
mircea_popescu there is definitely some truth to that [04:02]
mircea_popescu and perhaps merit to the fiat corruption theory. [04:02]
mircea_popescu ie, you can never get rich under a fiat system, all you can do is become poor. it's at least the consensus of pre-fiat economists everywhere. [04:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67000041 = 3.35 BTC [+] {2} [04:08]
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mircea_popescu a little from the lulz department : [04:13]
mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/AyuZai5 [04:13]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [04:13]
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pankkake lol [04:15]
mircea_popescu five minutes ago i didn't even know that site existed. oh internets. [04:16]
pankkake but don't worry, you also just made a friend http://pastebin.com/0nuK25es [04:17]
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decimation LoL. Would you consider yourself to be libertarian, Mircea? [04:18]
pankkake https://linuxfr.org/users/thom/journaux/nourrir-les-vaches-openbsd-a-recu-des-fonds was mostly about how bitcoin isn't money and how it's bad to make money with money [04:18]
mircea_popescu decimation that'd depend. i'm not a us citizen, so perhaps is like asking me if i'm a christian democrat [04:19]
mircea_popescu ; [04:19]
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mircea_popescu pankkake so logically, if bitcoin isn't money and it's bad to make money with money, then bitcoin is good ? [04:19]
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pankkake that wasn't in the same argument, but well [04:20]
decimation Yeah. In the US, "libertarian" means "someone who doesn't vote for either Democrats or Republicans." [04:20]
mircea_popescu well that'd be me then, i never voted. [04:20]
mircea_popescu pankkake i kinda liked the guy with the "funny how openbsd elec bill is paid by the result of bitcoin mining" [04:20]
pankkake hehe yeah [04:21]
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decimation It's probably only a matter of time until US citizenship is bestowed upon everyone who is a citizen of the "international community" [04:22]
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mircea_popescu that matter of time will have to wait for after i'm dead. [04:23]
decimation probably. [04:23]
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KRS1 lol ppl saying their wallets are empty on cryptsy now omg [04:28]
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decimation it would be hilarious if people are stealing dogecoin [04:30]
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pankkake I think it happened already [04:30]
mircea_popescu wait cryptsy is still a thing ?! [04:30]
KRS1 yes, it is still shit. [04:30]
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pankkake why wouldn't it, they have billions of altcoins there [04:31]
pankkake as long as altcoins will be a thing… [04:31]
pankkake http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/12/26/virtual-currency-dogecoin-suffers-first-hack-as-13000-is-stolen-from-an-online-wallet-service/ [04:31]
ozbot Dogecoin Hacker Makes Off With $13,000 [04:31]
KRS1 thats like stealing pennis..why not take the good stuff. [04:31]
KRS1 pennies [04:31]
dub stealing wat [04:31]
Duffer1 hehe [04:32]
quellhorst i'm sorry your pennis got stolen :( [04:32]
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mircea_popescu wait 13k dogecoins are worth something ? [04:32]
mircea_popescu what's the rate, anyone know offhand ? [04:32]
quellhorst http://coinmarketcap.com/ [04:32]
ozbot Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin Nxt MasterCoin DogeCoin N [04:33]
KRS1 enough shit it becomes maneur..enough maneur becomes fertilizer...someone will pay for a lot of crap. [04:33]
quellhorst doge sure is growing fast [04:33]
Duffer1 185 satoshi [04:33]
quellhorst 100% in the past 7 days [04:33]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418450.0 Bitcoin 44%, Dogecoin 28%, Litecoin a measly 14% [04:34]
KRS1 cant wait to hear stories of the bagholders [04:34]
ozbot [Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin [04:34]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.0015* 13000 [04:34]
gribble 19.5 [04:34]
mircea_popescu so someone stole... twenny bux ?! [04:34]
quellhorst lol [04:34]
pankkake article mentions $13,000 [04:34]
pankkake so, in USD [04:34]
quellhorst i have my doubts [04:34]
mircea_popescu but wait [04:35]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 13000 / 0.0015 [04:35]
gribble 8666666.66667 [04:35]
mircea_popescu someone stole all the dogecoin ? [04:35]
quellhorst yeah like 9 million dog coins [04:35]
mircea_popescu it couldn't have possibly mined 8mn in the 6 weeks it was alive [04:35]
mircea_popescu does it do like 1k blocks or something ? [04:35]
quellhorst there are 32 billion dog coins [04:35]
mircea_popescu uh [04:35]
quellhorst mircea_popescu: yeah [04:35]
mircea_popescu so really, the correct figure is more like 0.0000015 [04:36]
quellhorst As of January 13, 2014, 28% of the 100 billion total dogecoins have been mined [04:36]
mircea_popescu ic [04:36]
mircea_popescu looky, there's 80 altchains onthat page. [04:37]
pankkake and theres at least 3× more active [04:37]
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mircea_popescu pankkake how many of those are due to your evil ? [04:37]
pankkake just one, but people are still mining it [04:37]
mircea_popescu wait. the claim is that doge mkt cap > 2x ltc mkt cap ? [04:38]
mircea_popescu ahahahahaha [04:38]
pankkake no [04:38]
mircea_popescu in what alternative universe lmao [04:38]
mircea_popescu um am i reading it wrong ? [04:38]
mircea_popescu o o yeah i was looking at volume nm [04:38]
quellhorst http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/17/technology/yahoo-golden-parachute/index.html $60 million severance after 18 months [04:39]
ozbot Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014 [04:39]
pankkake bernankoin claims it though, since there has been one transaction at 1BEK=1USD [04:39]
mircea_popescu lol 2bn worth of ripples. okay, that's even funnier. [04:39]
quellhorst yahoo should have sold to microsoft :( [04:39]
quellhorst fucking idiots [04:39]
mircea_popescu wow they firede her ?! [04:39]
quellhorst lol, no [04:39]
quellhorst they fired someone she hired [04:39]
quellhorst eventually people will figure she is also the wrong person for the job [04:40]
mircea_popescu so who does she even hire [04:40]
mircea_popescu i don't know there's any coo willing to work at yahoo, unless you end up taking twitter experts or something [04:40]
knotwork I think I might finally have a usable idea for something to float as an asset. [04:41]
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mircea_popescu blow us away. [04:41]
decimation I wonder how many people automatically invest in Yahoo every week by virtue of their listing on the S&P 500 [04:42]
knotwork For half a million Canadian or less I can get an ex military base with full backup power and surveillance and electric alarms fence and keypad operated gates and 60ft or so sattelite dish (the kind inside a geodesic dome with tracking engines etc to track a satelite) [04:42]
benkay (or less!) [04:43]
knotwork four crew quarters for live in crew, full raised floors etc etc for all computer rooms, and on and on like that [04:43]
knotwork Or less, yes. I was supposed to sell for 500k CAD but financing of the buyer fell through [04:43]
asciilifeform knotwork: why so cheap? arctic circle? [04:43]
decimation sounds like an ideal evil lair [04:43]
quellhorst mircea_popescu: you sell the damn company [04:43]
knotwork Near Wentworth in Nova Scotia, ex NATO site [04:44]
quellhorst she doesn't hire anyone [04:44]
quellhorst but of course she won't do that, she thinks she can make a better google [04:44]
knotwork Only 4.5 acres not like an army base wit barracks [04:44]
quellhorst she basically got demoted at google before the yahoo job [04:44]
mircea_popescu decimation the acid drip [04:44]
knotwork It does sound like an idea evil lair thats why I thought it might be worth looking into going in with some people to get it [04:44]
asciilifeform these are sometimes sold in the u.s., but are typically gutted when put on the market. [04:44]
asciilifeform nothing in the old missile shafts really works correctly [04:45]
decimation It might be an old Nike site [04:45]
knotwork this is not gutted, the generators all work the survellance all works the gates etc etc [04:45]
mircea_popescu knotwork well yes but have you ever run a dc before ? [04:45]
knotwork I thought the bitcoins in sapce project could maybe transmit to its sattelite from there for example [04:46]
knotwork I ran an ISP here in Halifax [04:46]
knotwork Its the sattelite dish and the huge ackaup power room with all the knobs and dials and such i am not so sure how to operate [04:46]
mircea_popescu well turn them all one at a time :D [04:47]
knotwork I was thinmking it could offer hosting for miners for example as one use for it. I'd want to put solar panels all over it and windmills its in mountainous area (there is ski-ing up in that part of Nova Scotia thought not year-round at least not with natural snow) so should be good for wind [04:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+] [04:48]
knotwork So I figured one would want to spend at least as much fillign it with miners or whatever as one spends on buying the facility itself [04:49]
knotwork owner is eager to sell but I dont know how low one could talk them down too, plus who knows someone else mgiht put in an offer though it sounds like no one has yet [04:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6700004 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2} [04:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2806 BTC [+] {2} [04:49]
knotwork or if they have maybe its too lowball [04:49]
mircea_popescu o, it's not like a state auction ? [04:49]
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knotwork Presumably not an auction no. It cost 8million to build in 1983 so maybe it was auctioned and the buyer who bid the half mill financing fell through [04:50]
mircea_popescu aha [04:51]
knotwork mircea I can give you confidentially the full brochure URLs but I dont want to give that to snipers they might have gleaned enough info already to snipe it [04:51]
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knotwork Personally half a mill is too large a percent of my wealth to want to blow it all on one investment especially since I except bitcoins will appreciate faster than it will [04:52]
mircea_popescu well they're not useful to me, i don't much care for real estate and i know nothing at all of that market. [04:52]
mircea_popescu maybe one of the miners/pools/asic producers is looking for space. [04:53]
decimation sounds like this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake [04:53]
knotwork see someone found the site already yes the folly lake site is for sale [04:53]
knotwork oh it says the dish is 45 ft the seller must have meant the geodesic it is in is the 60 ft [04:55]
knotwork the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded [04:55]
knotwork there must be some radical bitcoin miners who will like the idea of hosting in an EMP-hardended datacente [04:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0068 = 0.68 BTC [-] [04:57]
mircea_popescu mining via satellite uplink is hella expensive. [04:57]
benkay most are more interested in profit margins than emotional siting [04:57]
knotwork the sattelite dish is a conundrum what to do with, yes. Maybe just sell that off and use the geodesic for something else [04:57]
benkay .bait [04:57]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcltyjKDlU1qbwslto1_500.jpg [04:57]
knotwork unless bitcoins in space could find use for it [04:58]
benkay .bait [04:58]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1eu9xpkOt1robyj0o1_1280.jpg [04:58]
Duffer1 why would you sell the dish that's the best part [04:58]
nubbins` where's wentworth located in NS? [04:58]
Duffer1 it's not a supervillain layer without it [04:59]
decimation probably because it's broken [04:59]
knotwork well maybe we can hack sattelites with the disk [04:59]
knotwork dish [04:59]
asciilifeform btc over shortwave! [04:59]
decimation actually btc might work on shortwave [04:59]
asciilifeform good place for the transmitter? [04:59]
nubbins` knotwork, any environmental damage? chem/oil spills etc? [04:59]
nubbins` old military bases sometimes leave messes [04:59]
asciilifeform you don't need a princely mil-sup estate for a radio station, though. [05:00]
knotwork the external diesel fuel tanks were removed either to prevent env damage or maybe because they saw it coming if they were left to rot wihle the building was not in use [05:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6710102 = 1.342 BTC [+] {2} [05:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00099302 = 21.1414 BTC [-] {2} [05:01]
decimation sounds like a few hundred $ in cleanup costs alone [05:01]
decimation hundred thousand $ I mean [05:01]
asciilifeform does it come with the legal permit to hang around in canada? [05:01]
decimation lol [05:01]
asciilifeform or is that sold separately [05:01]
knotwork Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet. [05:02]
knotwork maybe next month when bitcoins are $2000+ if its still available I might go for it alone [05:02]
asciilifeform knotwork: but why would he put it in a '5 eye' country? [05:02]
nubbins` ^ [05:02]
asciilifeform 'pentagram of evil' [05:02]
benkay 5 eye? [05:02]
knotwork I live in a 5 eye country and am a citzen of another (a Brit living in Canada) [05:03]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 938 @ 0.00166612 = 1.5628 BTC [-] [05:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25024 @ 0.00099279 = 24.8436 BTC [-] [05:03]
asciilifeform 'UKUSA treaty' [05:03]
nubbins` benkay: usa, canada, uk, australia, uh... [05:03]
nubbins` new zealand? [05:03]
knotwork https://www.google.com/search?q=Reteif+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers [05:03]
knotwork https://www.google.com/search?q=Retief+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers [05:03]
nubbins` essentially the Cabal of Whitey [05:03]
knotwork yeah I am white too [05:04]
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mircea_popescu i tell you tho, real estate is a professional line, like any other. [05:05]
mircea_popescu running a dc is a technical line, also. [05:05]
mircea_popescu you don't just start doing either. [05:05]
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knotwork Running a DC is something I can do, its just an ISP writ large [05:06]
nubbins` i've already got enough experience to keep me busy without owning something in another country ;p [05:06]
mircea_popescu i mean all through late 2000s average folk figured they're in real estate, "honey the house made more than i did this week", [05:06]
mircea_popescu but it didn't overall end wel lfor them. [05:06]
KRS1 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait for Papa John's pizza delivery wtf. [05:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00099376 = 10.037 BTC [+] [05:07]
mircea_popescu knotwork then perhaps the right move is to partner with a bank, take a loan at a decent rate if possible, pad your costs and buy extra miners. [05:07]
mircea_popescu KRS1 this is the time of day the delivery boys are fucking the pizzaiolo gals. [05:07]
knotwork Yeah maybe the best way is to figure princely estates are not intended to be investments, so go for a mortgage instead of making it an investment corp of any type [05:07]
mircea_popescu right in the dough! [05:07]
knotwork no bank will give me a mortgage, they dont count bitcoins as collateral [05:07]
mircea_popescu knotwork if you wish to run the dc then you definitely want to bring a real estate/finance type on your team. [05:08]
mircea_popescu but the purchase itself can be collateralized. [05:08]
knotwork I could lock up 500+ bitcoins as collateral [05:08]
KRS1 mircea_popescu: i live in south florida, where many consider ground zero for the banking/real estate fuck. I can tell you some horror stories. One scenario I like is the guy who makes $35K a year who bought a $350K house who now lives in a slum apartment with ruined credit. [05:08]
knotwork 600+ [05:08]
knotwork whatever [05:08]
mircea_popescu if you're thinking of such deals then you must have the credit and connections already which'd allow you to pick up a mil or two on something under 5% a year on the basis of you putting up a quarter of the cost or less in cash. [05:08]
knotwork I just dont want to spend 500 to 600 bitcoins this soon [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00098889 = 25.4145 BTC [-] {3} [05:09]
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asciilifeform at the risk of opening the door to the cold wind of reality: what's the business model? [05:09]
nubbins` brrr, just got a chill [05:09]
nubbins` did someone just open a door? [05:10]
asciilifeform build a data house where you're stuck with $1/MB dish for isp? [05:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00099397 = 51.587 BTC [+] {2} [05:10]
mircea_popescu KRS1 i can top that : all through the late 2000s, a coupla banks here sold suckers house loans denominated in swiss francs, on the premise they were ~1% cheaper interest. this, after fees and all, amounted to maybe 500 bucks saved. [05:10]
mircea_popescu then the franc went up 2x. [05:10]
nubbins` relevant cohen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgC42_qdjs [05:10]
knotwork well the model that is causing me to not want to spend that many bitcoins this soon is I expect half a mill worth of today bitcoins to be five mill quite soon, likely sooner than many folk expect [05:10]
asciilifeform what goes in #2, in the canonical 2) ??? 3) profit! [05:10]
mircea_popescu knotwork if that's the entire plan you seem better off laying out some btc on the 10k bet than buying ex-military facilities. [05:11]
nubbins` heh, ^ [05:11]
knotwork right now I am making more just doing stupid filling of orderbooks with lowballs buy offers and highball sell offers than anything else I have been doing [05:11]
knotwork what 10k bet? [05:11]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ [05:12]
ozbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD [05:12]
KRS1 I truely believe in Dariwnism at work in finance. [05:12]
decimation knotwork, it's hard to imagine any business model denominated in fiat that will beat your "model" [05:12]
decimation if bitcoin is still on an upward climb, than it's probably better to hold [05:12]
knotwork I am not convinced the place will still be available by the time that bet is settled [05:13]
mircea_popescu related : http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png [05:13]
decimation that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment [05:13]
knotwork I want the place when I have more bitcoins than I have right now but by then it might not still be available, basically [05:13]
mircea_popescu so who cares, basically ? [05:13]
mircea_popescu by the time you have more bitcoin you can buy a larger place [05:14]
decimation what if divest a few hundred btc and now have an ex-military dump? [05:14]
mircea_popescu does it have to be this one ? [05:14]
knotwork that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment --> that is why my thinking changed since arriving here from get investors to its a princely estate not an investment I just dont want to let go that many bitcoins this soon [05:14]
asciilifeform buy a submarine instead. [05:14]
decimation so you are looking for greater fools then [05:14]
KRS1 I dont mind if a pizza guy has to get laid, as long as its not near my pizza. [05:14]
asciilifeform as discussed 3 days ago. [05:14]
KRS1 .bait [05:14]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjch8W8dW1qfo740o1_1280.jpg [05:14]
knotwork Hmm okay maybe I should try to research how often places this interesting come available [05:15]
mircea_popescu well, let's put it this way : canada is running on a deficit. eventually the whole shebang will go up on auction. [05:15]
dub buy your own island in panama for less [05:15]
knotwork its also true that if bitcoins skyrockets a lot I wont care if a place is a steal or not I will just pay high to get what I want "at any price" kind of thing [05:15]
mircea_popescu wait a few years, buy her majesty's lieutenant general's children. [05:15]
dub or likely many many nicer places than a freezing shithole in moosecock territory [05:15]
mircea_popescu dub but he lives there already. [05:16]
knotwork are the Lt-Gen's children cute? [05:16]
mircea_popescu he saves on plane tickets this way. [05:16]
mircea_popescu knotwork well you can also buy a plastic surgeon [05:16]
decimation I think the bitcoin talk forum is where you want to go if you are looking for greater fools [05:16]
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knotwork Ah but here I get much better perspective on the whole thing [05:16]
mircea_popescu "neet perspective ? talk to an ashhole." [05:17]
dub http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/captain-willys-caye-belize [05:17]
mircea_popescu dub you and the fucking global warming huts. [05:17]
kakobrekla a strong tide and your are out of land to stand on [05:17]
mircea_popescu how high's the water, kako... [05:18]
knotwork I dont want something with lots of power so I can do lots of mining, and with lots of room for solar and wind. water power would be nice too but I havent seen anything good with water power potential yet [05:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67000027 = 2.01 BTC [-] {2} [05:18]
decimation or you could be living next to John McAfee and be murdered [05:18]
knotwork I do want something with ltos of power I mean [05:18]
kakobrekla tidal washing? [05:18]
mircea_popescu mcafee got mordored ?! [05:18]
knotwork Not sure I want an island, I can get seasick just on the PEI ferry [05:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.0009866 = 25.7503 BTC [-] {2} [05:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah, his neighbour (supposedly!) did. [05:19]
decimation no, he is allegedly the murderer [05:19]
mircea_popescu nowai, he's all tough and shit http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620x413/k_n/McAfee.jpg [05:19]
dub easy to fix seasickness [05:19]
mircea_popescu drink ? [05:19]
decimation That's why Intel now calls it "Intel Security" instead of "McAfee anti-virus" [05:19]
dub two ways, tactical and strategic [05:20]
dub tactical, smoke weed = instafix [05:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this story reminds me of the sad story of some weirdo pua guy. in 2010 i said something like "if you date this guy you have good chances to end up shot in the face, because he is going to shoot someone in the face". in 2011 he was booked on charges of [05:20]
dub the other is to subject yourself to it for a week or more [05:20]
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mircea_popescu having shot some woman in the jaw [05:20]
asciilifeform decimation: mcaffee claimed, in an interview, that he's been demanding that his name be taken off the crapware for a decade now. [05:20]
decimation lol [05:21]
nubbins` dub, i tactically smoke weed for this very reason [05:21]
nubbins` if i don't, i might get seasick [05:21]
decimation except: [05:21]
decimation http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/08/technology/john-mcafee/ [05:21]
dub can't fault that stoner logic [05:21]
mircea_popescu does weed give you sea sickness in the desert to even things out ? [05:21]
knotwork I am also looking at http://www.valj.com/index.php?mact=VAN,cntnt01,default,1&cntnt01category=comm&cntnt01inc=A&cntnt01listid=4456&cntnt01returnid=60&p=60 and http://annapolis.kijiji.ca/c-real-estate-other-Price-reduced-Farm-for-sale-homestead-self-reliant-possible-W0QQAdIdZ512786311 which are prices I am not so loath to spend right now [05:21]
decimation He said Intel lost a great marketing opportunity when he was being chased through the jungles of Central America. Instead of shying away from the McAfee name, Intel should have leveraged press about his misadventures and taken a more edgy approach. [05:21]
decimation "Roll with it. Hire a creative marketing team and see what you can do with this," he said. Executives should have asked, "How can we do creative marketing to change Intel from a staid, stodgy company to a shaker and mover?" [05:21]
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ozbot John McAfee escaped police and lost his fortune. Now he's enjoying art in Canada. - Jan. 8, 2014 [05:21]
mircea_popescu intel wants to be edgy about as much as i want to be politically correct. [05:22]
mircea_popescu what nonsense is this! [05:22]
asciilifeform time for usg to rename its organs in line with the new 'soviet' reality [05:22]
asciilifeform intel -> 'dept. of microprocessors' [05:22]
decimation Maybe McAfee will buy your military base, now that he is allowed to reside in Canada, apparently [05:22]
asciilifeform microshaft -> 'dept. of software' [05:23]
kakobrekla knotwork you want a chocholate bar or a chocholate factory? [05:23]
dub turns out there are hundreds of islands for under $500k in canada [05:23]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: you can't smoke weed in the desert, it's too hot [05:23]
pankkake I want oompa loompas [05:23]
decimation NYT -> dept. of journalism [05:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18738 @ 0.00098657 = 18.4863 BTC [-] [05:23]
asciilifeform ministry of trooth. [05:23]
mircea_popescu "He added that for his own security he has other people buy his computer equipment for him, uses pseudonyms for setting up computers and logging in, and changes his IP address several times a day.[" [05:23]
mircea_popescu wikipedia rocks, seriously now. [05:23]
mircea_popescu i too use pseudonyms when logging in. [05:23]
knotwork I dont want to run out of space or power for my datacentre that I want to have [05:23]
nubbins` heh [05:23]
nubbins` fun fact, nubbins` is not my birth name [05:24]
pankkake "changes his IP" lol [05:24]
kakobrekla chocolate cake then [05:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform your mastery of newspeak it doubleplus shitty, comrade. [05:24]
mircea_popescu "department of see computer run" [05:24]
asciilifeform not my forte, truly. [05:24]
nubbins` dept of thinkboxthink [05:24]
knotwork right now I am putting in a 400 amp hookup in my country-house but but that is now going to be done as a "home business" in which I will purportedly only use 25% of the house for business [05:24]
mircea_popescu also department of reboot [05:25]
nubbins` home business is the way to go [05:25]
knotwork as to make it commercial I would need wheelshair ramps, parking for however many customers/staff and on like that [05:25]
mircea_popescu knotwork do you have 4 bathrooms ? [05:25]
knotwork no I have no bath at all yet that is part of what is currently being installed in the house [05:25]
asciilifeform 100 amps per? [05:25]
mircea_popescu pankkake shitty isp, best security. [05:25]
kakobrekla knotwork running dc is not worth it if not on LARGE scale [05:26]
mircea_popescu canadian definitions of a "house" continue to amaze. [05:26]
pankkake shitty isp would have to lose its logs [05:26]
mircea_popescu so what's a barn over there ? [05:26]
pankkake but very very good isps know how to lose logs too :) [05:26]
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kakobrekla bunker being small. [05:26]
asciilifeform lose logs, upstream isp 'forgets to lose' his - or comes up with new ones as needed. [05:27]
asciilifeform as if this saved anyone [05:27]
knotwork Open Transactions is deisgned to work without transaction-history (logs? what logs?) but legal quagmire around that is probably quite a quagmire [05:27]
knotwork But I do not want to put anything that has private keys in any third party datacentre [05:28]
asciilifeform stego example [05:28]
knotwork Otherwise the keys are in essence not private [05:28]
asciilifeform there are 'isp' that deal /only/ in... electric meter readings. [05:28]
kakobrekla yeah but then you dont need a wheelstair ramp. [05:28]
asciilifeform all of your data had better look like a plausible meter figure. [05:28]
knotwork meters can be read by sattelite nowadays [05:28]
asciilifeform and the challenge is on the enemy to determine that it isn't. [05:28]
asciilifeform (not to be confused with data-over-powerline) [05:29]
asciilifeform at least, around here the meters use 'gsm' [05:29]
asciilifeform just an example of 'clean isp' [05:29]
asciilifeform (and now that we said it, it cannot be used.) [05:29]
knotwork mircea_popescu, a canadian house: https://www.google.com/search?q=igloo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [05:30]
asciilifeform this is like those 'how to hide from customs' books. [05:30]
asciilifeform if read literally, it can only be a guide for what not to do. [05:30]
decimation I thought the smart meters used some kind of mesh network [05:30]
knotwork of course in the old days we lived in shoeboxes in the middle of the gutters [05:30]
asciilifeform not here. just cell grid. [05:30]
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kakobrekla shoebox? you were lucky. [05:31]
dub luxury [05:31]
knotwork mircea_popescu, how/where do you host MPOE? how many techies guards gosh knows what have access to the hardware? [05:32]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:32]
kakobrekla :D [05:32]
mircea_popescu "Vice accidentally gave away his location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached." cute. [05:32]
knotwork do you keep the private keys at your own site and all the third party places have to call home any time something needing the key happens? [05:32]
decimation supposedly McAfee was disguised, but then wen to talk with the media [05:33]
dub he has an army of amazonian bbw's guarding his shit [05:33]
decimation http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9688101/John-McAfee-disguised-as-Guatemalan-street-hawker-with-a-limp.html [05:33]
ozbot John McAfee 'disguised as Guatemalan street hawker with a limp' - Telegraph [05:33]
mircea_popescu "Everything I owned was in Belize. I left with nothing in my pocket," he said. [05:34]
mircea_popescu seems improbable. [05:34]
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mircea_popescu the bbw amazons i mean. [05:35]
mircea_popescu besides, he's working on biopics. that's a sure sign of desperation. [05:35]
KRS1 wow pizza here already [05:35]
KRS1 I'm gonna call them, they told me it would be 1-2 hrs damnit. [05:36]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/9d9bae8644c0a20469c55d8e3abb5df7/tumblr_mnwjpdMA1q1rjvhtio1_500.jpg << in case you ever wondered how the french made all those metal fence patterns [05:37]
kakobrekla lol [05:38]
KRS1 those girls can be lots of fun [05:38]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/be34e69bbbc721e43e03eb10626f26a9/tumblr_mow5yf3J0a1ru15g3o1_500.jpg [05:38]
mircea_popescu liek. [05:38]
kakobrekla well, they certanly are lots of something. [05:38]
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kakobrekla the boobs are odd. [05:39]
KRS1 shes not bad..bbw goes downhill from there. [05:39]
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mircea_popescu could do with more muscle. [05:40]
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mircea_popescu anyone got a better pars-pro-toto representative for marxism than Althusser ? [05:48]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/harbour-grace-cathedral-found-to-be-worthless-1.2503309 [05:57]
ozbot Harbour Grace cathedral found to be worthless - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [05:57]
nubbins` Altus Group found that the building currently has a market value of zero. [05:57]
nubbins` fuck a military base [05:57]
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nubbins` hahaha, this: [06:00]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/judge-to-decide-if-kenny-green-broke-bail-1.2503764 [06:00]
ozbot Judge to decide if Kenny Green broke bail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [06:00]
nubbins` guy gets out on bail, condition is not to enter a licensed drinking establishment [06:00]
nubbins` is arrested exiting a jungle-themed family restaurant that happens to serve booze [06:00]
mircea_popescu how would someone know what's a licensed pub ? [06:03]
mircea_popescu i could license my garage if i wanted. [06:03]
nubbins` well, exactly [06:04]
nubbins` anyway, the murder this guy is accused of committing took place about 50 meters southeast of my house [06:05]
nubbins` the victim's grave was dug up a couple of days after burial [06:06]
nubbins` and this kenny green guy was accused of trying to break out of the psych hospital while being held there for some sort of examination [06:07]
dub some next level retardation in #dogecoin [06:07]
mircea_popescu maybne they only had tequilla and it's not agreeing with him [06:07]
nubbins` some blue colors in the sky [06:07]
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nubbins` heh [06:07]
mircea_popescu dub summary ? [06:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00098635 = 15.4857 BTC [-] {2} [06:10]
dub theres no words really [06:11]
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nubbins` to the aooooooooooooooon [06:12]
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mircea_popescu "i had sex with urmom and she was saying all along, doge! upupup!" ? [06:12]
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knotwork There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was [06:13]
mircea_popescu you don't mean in like early 2012 ?! [06:13]
knotwork maybe yeah [06:14]
knotwork he mismanaged the shares thing and mybe also got screwed when that Irish guy's "exchange" flew by night [06:14]
mircea_popescu you mean like... dmc ? [06:15]
knotwork I think his nick was longer than that? not death and taxes but thats who I always tended to confuse him with [06:15]
mircea_popescu i don't know dt ever did mismanage anything. [06:15]
d34th DBordello deadweasel deego deizel Diablo-D3 diametric Dimsler donpillou dub Duffer1 [06:15]
d34th DBordello deadweasel deego deizel Diablo-D3 diametric Dimsler donpillou dub Duffer1 [06:15]
knotwork yeah exactly [06:15]
mircea_popescu it'd be Diablo-D3, teh glbse asset was dmc [06:16]
knotwork but I think death and taxes nick was what kept the other guys nick from sticking in my long term memory [06:16]
knotwork Diablo yes that it no idea what I'd confuse that with death, maybe its a death and the devil thing [06:16]
nubbins` ;;seen Diablo-D3 [06:16]
gribble Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: and all their btrfs people left to other companies [06:16]
nubbins` datacentre with solar [06:17]
knotwork oh good maybe he wont read the backscroll and will turn out to be a great fool :D [06:17]
knotwork greater [06:17]
knotwork I thought maybe I'd found just what he was looking for but at a cheaper price [06:18]
knotwork and in proobably decent place for wind power [06:18]
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knotwork maybe even water though it doesnt mention any brooks etc in the stuff I have read about the place [06:18]
knotwork but it is said to be in mountain area [06:18]
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mircea_popescu im pretty sure you need a permit to dam running water, even in canada. [06:19]
mircea_popescu possibly not for wind, but i'd check if i were you. [06:20]
knotwork I wasnt thinking of a dam but even just a little thing you sink into the water might be all kinds of regulation apparently yeah [06:21]
knotwork some guy on bitcointalk has pics of a tiny little trickly he gets power from [06:21]
mircea_popescu what, you building the first ever megawatt yoyo ? [06:22]
nubbins` re: permits, generally that would be a provincial responsibility, not federal [06:22]
knotwork Yeah Diablo I saw a piece of real estate I thought might be great for the kind of data centre you once wanted to do [06:22]
knotwork still want to do a datacentre though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake 500k CAD or less [06:23]
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Duffer1 heh i was just gonna say.. [06:23]
Duffer1 millspec base in bumfuck canada perfect for a data center [06:23]
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Duffer1 or supervillain lair [06:24]
mircea_popescu or bdsm chateau [06:24]
mircea_popescu or really cool icecream factory [06:24]
Duffer1 too cold for bdsm probably [06:24]
mircea_popescu you must be new [06:24]
knotwork Not with all the heat the mining gear gives off [06:24]
mircea_popescu the girls are warm, the canes are there to beat... [06:25]
knotwork (not too cold for whatever) [06:25]
knotwork maybe cold enough to cool the gear in winter. maybe. [06:25]
knotwork I have fans sucking in outside area in my room here in snowstorm and its still plenty warm in here [06:26]
knotwork outside air [06:26]
nubbins` wow, wentworth really is bumfuck canada [06:26]
knotwork what kind of facility and do you rent/lease or own the land? [06:26]
knotwork yikes so third party hosting [06:27]
knotwork for me a MAJOR part of wanting my own datacentre is I dont want to refer to keys that are on third party land as "private" keys as for all I know they are not. [06:27]
knotwork They are the third party's keys that they maybe let me use but aren't really mine any way not privately anyway [06:28]
knotwork and this someone is part of th corporate "you" ? [06:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00098973 = 17.1223 BTC [+] [06:29]
knotwork right [06:29]
mircea_popescu you know sooner or later you will have to take employees. [06:30]
knotwork one problem really with the military base idea is it would need a guard or groundskeeper etc [06:30]
knotwork though I could lock them out of the actual datacentre part maybe [06:30]
knotwork I coudl maybe put the keys in a machine in a vault or something [06:31]
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KRS1 at all [06:32]
knotwork Maybe right in a city next to a police station could be more secure than out in the middle of no-where with gosh knows how long an RCMP response-time [06:33]
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knotwork See this place is a great resource for discovering whether one is oneself a great(er) fool. [06:36]
KRS1 Just buy a ship. Done. imo choose the caterpillar diesel engines option..well worth it. [06:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0032 = 0.1248 BTC [+] [06:37]
Duffer1 google ship? [06:38]
KRS1 Secure, self sustaining.. [06:38]
Namworld You could tattoo the private key on the underneath of your eyelid. Pull and read in a mirror. [06:38]
Namworld Sign with it from offline computer, clean machine after each use [06:38]
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knotwork i get seasick [06:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999997 = 0.15 BTC [+] [06:40]
Namworld Now people need to drug you/knowck you out to get the private key. [06:40]
KRS1 find a way to live in orbit [06:41]
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kakobrekla orbit is not safe [06:41]
KRS1 make sure to have a greenhouse and recycle your water [06:41]
KRS1 kakobrekla, if its made out of unobtainium its is..jeez. [06:42]
Namworld With giant laser cannon directed at the "ants" (people) on earth? So you can direct them around or randomly blast them? [06:42]
KRS1 Namworld you could have tons of fun with that..it would never get old. [06:42]
kakobrekla not if a rock made of unobtainium hits you [06:42]
knotwork Well first I will just get my 400 amps into my country-house I might feel a lot less stir-crazy cabin-fever starved for outlets to plug machines into then [06:42]
KRS1 ah shit i didnt think of that =/ [06:42]
Namworld If that happen I can rebuild it mad an indestructible unobtainium shielding. [06:43]
mod6 s.moon: mp's forth-coming lunar cold storage warehouse [06:43]
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KRS1 haha [06:43]
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kakobrekla as long as it has lazerz [06:44]
KRS1 ;;lasers [06:44]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [06:44]
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kakobrekla take that USD! [06:44]
mod6 to the moon! [06:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67000002 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2} [06:46]
chetty http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/security-expert-hacks-obamacare-website-4-minutes-accesses-70000-records [06:47]
ozbot Security Expert Hacks Obamacare Website In 4 Minutes; Accesses 70,000 Records | Zero Hedge [06:47]
KRS1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [06:48]
KRS1 i'm sorry i gotta step away for this [06:48]
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knotwork Well maybe a movie. Involving an evil lair [06:50]
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knotwork Or figure out the cost of just the land, subtract the cost of removing the buildings etc etc and make crazy lowball offer to see how eager the seller is to sell [06:52]
knotwork offer to take it off his hands for a nominal dollar to save him the cost of demolition [06:53]
knotwork maybe it will afterall still be available in november when bitcoin is $10,000 (i guess I was wrong about how long people think that might take to reach) and it will be cheaper then too as their desperation increases [06:54]
knotwork I think even when it reaches only $2000 or $2500 or so I would start wanting to hive off 500k CAD or so worth into something other than cryptocoins [06:55]
knotwork even though anything other than cryptocoins would likely appreciate much slower [06:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009021 = 0.1804 BTC [-] {4} [06:55]
knotwork but land can be appreciated in other ways than by looking how much money it is worth [06:56]
kakobrekla hedge bitcoin, buy bunker [06:56]
knotwork one can walk it, live on it build lairs on it etc [06:56]
kakobrekla makes sense. [06:56]
knotwork if I could use 500 or 600 bitcoins as collateral for a mortgage/loan I might go for it all by mtself [06:56]
knotwork but that is a non-starter [06:57]
Duffer1 500btc ? [06:57]
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knotwork because anyone who believes bitcoin is good as collateral isnt going to want to issue a fiat denominated loan [06:57]
knotwork and I wouldnt want a bitcoin-denominated one that would be crazy [06:58]
knotwork who would issue a 500k CAD loan based on bitcoin collateral? [06:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00009004 = 0.8104 BTC [-] {9} [07:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.026 = 0.13 BTC [+] [07:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2268 @ 0.00008971 = 0.2035 BTC [-] {2} [07:03]
knotwork It does sound more and more like the place is probbly going to remain available for quite a while yet so I guess I will check it out every month or few and see how desperate that become to get rid of it [07:03]
knotwork maybe pick up and refurbish the other couple of places I have been looking at first. Go at them in cheapest place first sequence. [07:04]
Namworld I have a 290 BTC loan. Ultra crazy [07:04]
knotwork denominated in BTC ? [07:04]
Namworld yes [07:04]
knotwork ouch [07:04]
Namworld Used to be 400 [07:04]
knotwork you pay a little each time BTC dives? [07:05]
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Namworld Nope. What does it matter if BTC dives? [07:05]
knotwork well if you have fiat income for example [07:06]
Apocalyptic .d [07:07]
ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 615 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.5175% in 3d 9h 24m 13s [07:07]
Namworld Oh. Not much fiat income actually [07:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00008084 = 4.8504 BTC [-] {22} [07:08]
knotwork How much (ballpark) would an option to buy bitcoin in say six months or nine or a year for today's price cost? [07:08]
kakobrekla Namworld you took a loan or gave it? [07:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14408 @ 0.00008 = 1.1526 BTC [-] [07:09]
Namworld I took a loan [07:10]
kakobrekla uh [07:10]
kakobrekla cmon you are not a btc newb [07:10]
Namworld It's nothing new, been going for a long time [07:10]
knotwork I should have bought more than just a few million DOGE to scatter across a huge range of highball sell offers, my selsl are being eaten up like crazy [07:11]
mod6 such bids [07:11]
knotwork much profit on tiny amount of capital :( [07:11]
Namworld silly doge [07:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19000 @ 0.00008 = 1.52 BTC [-] {2} [07:12]
knotwork oh well it will go down and hit my remaining even lower lowball buy offers soon maybe [07:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00098858 = 21.7488 BTC [-] [07:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000076 = 0.228 BTC [-] {4} [07:14]
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Namworld How much does CBTC even earns? [07:15]
knotwork Nice question. Maybe it is time for me to start looking into actually making some use of my MPOE seat assuming such things do not expire thus that I still have it. [07:16]
Duffer1 9.16% apy on cbtc [07:17]
jcpham everytime i see the word doge i facedesk [07:17]
jcpham so hard [07:17]
Namworld ugh... 9.16% APY on something BTC related... [07:17]
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jcpham i think i just broke my nose that time [07:17]
Duffer1 their last div was 58 satoshi [07:17]
mod6 much faceplant [07:17]
knotwork I didn't buy into Satoshi Dice since I figured it was only a matter of time before it ran into legal problems. Didn't think oh yeah it could get bought out by someone who has all the right licenses and jurisdiction (did it?) [07:17]
Namworld I believe so [07:18]
Namworld You should have bought a ton at IPO [07:18]
Namworld Wether you sold high or just accrued divs until it sold, you'd have earned a good chunk [07:18]
knotwork Oh I was broke way back then. [07:18]
knotwork Maybe less than 100 bitcoins as it mgiht have been before I got the bounty for helping to create DVC [07:19]
Namworld Would have been enough to make a good chunk [07:19]
knotwork I wasnt about to risk precious bitcoins on some third party site let alone on fourth party offerigns on such a site [07:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00098858 = 5.8821 BTC [-] [07:20]
knotwork If was going to bie at all back then I would have gone for S.MPOE itself or whatever it is called [07:22]
knotwork s/bie/bite/ [07:22]
knotwork or buy [07:22]
knotwork and maybe that would have made quite a chunk too? Are there historic plots/charts etc somewhere? [07:22]
Duffer1 coinflow.co [07:23]
Duffer1 charts -> mpex [07:23]
knotwork Thanks [07:24]
Duffer1 i don't know how far back the data goes [07:24]
knotwork March by the look of it [07:25]
knotwork not impressive growth though not a skyrocket, at least in that period, but maybe it was more impressive in the early days [07:25]
knotwork but maybe the bonds behind the options were better earnings historically? [07:26]
knotwork in all its history of satoshi dice its all going generally down not up [07:27]
Namworld SD started much lower than that [07:28]
Namworld SD went from 0.0022 - 0.0027 IPO slices to 0.007 and then back down or something [07:28]
Namworld At buyout, each share was bought 0.0032 I think [07:28]
knotwork Yike S.MD is also a downhill cruise lately [07:28]
kakobrekla anyone has any monies on that thing called ripple [07:29]
knotwork the charts indicate nothing about dividends though [07:29]
jcpham ripples? [07:29]
jcpham are they worth something yet? [07:29]
knotwork I have the giveaway ripples they gave out early on that were much bigger than later giveaways [07:29]
knotwork maybe a couple of grand USD worth or a grand or so depending on when I check the price [07:30]
Namworld You could have accrued dividends on SD in the range of up to ~0.0002 per month per share at it's highest I think, or close to that [07:30]
knotwork actually I sold the first 20000 or so they gave me for bitcoins, at way better price I think that I have seen since [07:30]
Namworld For like two months where they made 10-20k BTC profits I think [07:30]
Namworld Other months like 1-5k range mostly [07:31]
kakobrekla i just found out i have btc change there and want to get it out [07:31]
jcpham well apparently yhere ripple fuckers deleted my wallet [07:31]
jcpham *these ripple fuckers [07:31]
knotwork huh your wallet in your passphrase basically isnt it? [07:31]
kakobrekla ill swap with network btc with a fee if anyone cares [07:31]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ [07:31]
ozbot It’s not the sauce, it’s the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un b [07:31]
knotwork or are you saying they wiped your accoutns from their ledgers? [07:31]
jcpham Login failed: [07:31]
jcpham Payward Wallet not found (Username / Password is wrong) [07:32]
kakobrekla i just dont want to leave extra money to those fuckers [07:32]
Namworld ripples are worth a good chunk. They were worth even a lot more earlier, like 5000 ripples for 1 BTC. Now 40k ripples for 1 BTC. [07:32]
jcpham i didn't type it wrong [07:32]
mircea_popescu whoa who is this jcpham guy [07:32]
mircea_popescu sounds like a scammor name. [07:32]
jcpham who the fuck is this billionaire romanaian [07:32]
jcpham i keep reading about on the interwebs [07:32]
jcpham well if i had 75k ripples the last time i logged in and now the account is gone [07:33]
jcpham i'm callingripple a scam now [07:33]
jcpham finally [07:33]
mircea_popescu lol @obamacare. they should have used openbsd. [07:33]
mircea_popescu mod6 honestly, sounds more like reverend moon's next mass wedding. [07:34]
Namworld doesn't matter if you can fetch records without even hacking, just by going to an url [07:34]
Namworld That's poor website security. They could have hosted it on any platform, even the most secure, it doesn't fix incompetence. [07:34]
knotwork jcpham you stored your "wallet" only on third party storage not on your own disk? [07:34]
mod6 mircea_popescu: heheh [07:35]
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jcpham dude chill out [07:36]
jcpham i ypo'd the password [07:36]
mircea_popescu Namworld yes, but it'd have been funnier. [07:36]
mircea_popescu omfg, ipo'd passwords [07:36]
mircea_popescu NOW YOU BROKE ALTCOINS [07:36]
jcpham mircea_popescu does mpex support dogecoin yet? [07:37]
mod6 select * from health_care_chumps where 't' = 't'; drop heath_care_chumps; commit; [07:37]
mircea_popescu yep. mpex supports dogecoin by helping all the dogecoin owners stay out of trouble. [07:37]
mircea_popescu mod6 alternatively, you could name your son that. [07:37]
mod6 haha, drop that baby on its head. [07:38]
mircea_popescu one of the few funny xkcd's [07:39]
knotwork Vircurex listed DOGE so I made a choice between abandoning Vircurex and taking a flutter of trying my devcoin strategy on DOGE [07:39]
mod6 if you like your swisscheese website, you can keep it. [07:39]
knotwork which seems to be working so far, my highball sells are still being gobbled higher and higher [07:39]
mircea_popescu wow, vircurex also still exists ? [07:40]
mircea_popescu this is like ghostships on the sea of forgotten memories [07:40]
knotwork It seems to be more picky about what altcoins to list than any others I came across, and I have been into merged mining since it was invented so wanted someplace that had at least some of the merged mined coins [07:42]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it's even worse than that [07:42]
Apocalyptic it still exists and people think it's legit [07:42]
knotwork its still an anonymous-owner exchange I think? [07:42]
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Apocalyptic cause it's been around for a while you know [07:43]
mircea_popescu oic. [07:43]
Apocalyptic knotwork, it's run by some "kumala" [07:43]
mircea_popescu didn't it get hacked recently, [07:43]
mircea_popescu and didn't the hack force the guy to wipe the equity of his investors, as he had no other resources ? [07:43]
knotwork Claimed to be hacked twice and make good, but the second claim seems more suspect than the first because after it got rep from the first claim a russian site also tried the lets say we were hacked then have customers not lose money way to get rep [07:43]
Apocalyptic there was something like that [07:44]
mircea_popescu well, musical chairs can be a fun game, especialyl if you don't bring much money. [07:44]
knotwork so VIrcurex's second such claim might have jsut been a PR response to the Russian response to the gain in rep Vircurex had got the first time around [07:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00098936 = 32.6489 BTC [+] {2} [07:44]
knotwork Vircurex always made the customers whole. Though whether there actually had been anything to make them whole about I dunno [07:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00099456 = 34.4118 BTC [+] {2} [07:45]
knotwork theey might simply have been the inventors of the lets say we got viciously hacked then show how great we are by "making the customers whole" PR tactic [07:45]
mircea_popescu they made their "customers" whole on the basis of stealing their "investor's" equity. [07:46]
mircea_popescu this works on average about once. [07:46]
knotwork huh? not sure what you mean. They claimed hot wallet had been stolen then tht they made up the loss so no customers lost anything [07:47]
knotwork what "equity" are you thinking of? [07:47]
knotwork They have shares out on some "exchange" or other is it something about those? [07:47]
mircea_popescu yup [07:48]
knotwork oh the shareholders hold the bag for making the customers whole re the hot wallet? [07:48]
knotwork I thought the shares thing was more recent than the "hacks" [07:48]
knotwork I admit I never really paid any attention to any of the exhcanges offering shares stuff [07:49]
knotwork I was amazed people fell for that when the solidcoin guy did it [07:49]
mircea_popescu no. first the guy sold shares, on outrageous terms [07:49]
mircea_popescu then... welll... shares get forgetteded about. [07:50]
mircea_popescu so i dunno what +rep you think you saw or where, but i dun think such a thing occured. [07:50]
knotwork I thought I saw just days ago they have shares on some exchange or other [07:50]
mircea_popescu the listing is full of lolz, i'll have th egirl dig it up in the morn. [07:50]
knotwork cool :) [07:51]
knotwork Part of why i stick to vircurex is I long ago took back everything I ever put there plus lots of profit so everything at risk there now is just more profit I could have taken [07:51]
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knotwork But buying shares wow weird, first question I'd ask myself is why isn't it listed on MPEx, the answer would likely tip me off [07:53]
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knotwork I havent even taken a flutter on any shares that *are* listed on MPEx yet [07:54]
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Apocalyptic knotwork, see https://vircurex.com/Reports/2013-05.pdf [07:57]
Apocalyptic "Consequences [07:57]
Apocalyptic The loss of the funds will be recovered out of the monthly dividends. Dividends will be used to purchase back the missing funds in the coming months. Depending on the trading volume development this is expected to take 9 to 12 months." [07:57]
knotwork ah other people's money is great stuff isn't it [07:57]
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mod6 ouch [07:58]
Apocalyptic seriously i'm still amazed they're in business [07:59]
mircea_popescu i have trouble seriously believing they're in any sort of business [07:59]
knotwork At least that Irish guy someone actually knew he he was had met him at conferences etc but even so "investing" in one kid running a homebrewed website seems a little dubious at thebest of time [07:59]
mircea_popescu i mean... so knotwork is being much entertained. that's fine [07:59]
Apocalyptic "We now pay interest on BTC, LTC, PPC, NVC and WDC account balances, they are paid multiple times every day. Check out the help for details" [07:59]
Apocalyptic that must be new [07:59]
mircea_popescu lol that's a fractional reserve innit ? [07:59]
mircea_popescu what sort of interest ? [08:00]
Apocalyptic "since we're scamming let's do it mcxnow style baby" [08:00]
mod6 ponzi alert! [08:00]
knotwork Its not interest its just a portion off the fees [08:00]
knotwork of the fees [08:00]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, dunno just saw that on the index page [08:00]
mircea_popescu oh like a rebate ? [08:01]
mircea_popescu odd way to go about it. [08:01]
Apocalyptic formulation fail then [08:01]
Apocalyptic Its not interest its just a portion off the fees // where do you get this from ? [08:01]
knotwork not a rebate on your own fees, a share of fees being earned in general [08:01]
knotwork not off the fees, of the fees [08:01]
knotwork its like your bitcoins sitting on deposit get you free feshares while they remain on deposit [08:02]
knotwork feeshares [08:02]
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mircea_popescu butbutbut... [08:02]
mircea_popescu that BELONGS TO THE INVESTORS [08:02]
mircea_popescu so they can pay off with the proceeds the other stuff they got stolen from [08:03]
mircea_popescu roflmao omfg. [08:03]
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Apocalyptic indeed [08:03]
mircea_popescu this is like a miner bond applied to the exchange [08:03]
knotwork yeah if anyone knows of a better exchange that has namecoins devcoins and maybe even more merged mined coins I'mi nterested to hear about it [08:03]
mircea_popescu "everyone is making roi. just find a fiat currency with bad inflation" [08:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17984 @ 0.00099379 = 17.8723 BTC [-] {2} [08:04]
mircea_popescu knotwork prolly doesn't exist, and you know, have fun, just don't do something stupid. [08:04]
knotwork otherwise I just continue to hope the open transactions for grandmas is done soon [08:04]
mod6 btc-e has nmc [08:04]
mircea_popescu you know how it goes. [08:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1116 @ 0.00099536 = 1.1108 BTC [+] [08:05]
asciilifeform nyooz you can yooze! cafe in my town. people chattering, rumour; schizo woman who frequents the place was drawing 'daisies'. said, 'they're like bitcoins! but on paper!' [08:05]
asciilifeform couldn't help but think of casascius. and many other fine folks. [08:05]
Apocalyptic does anyone know of a website that keeps track of some altcoins hashrate ? [08:05]
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knotwork Vircurex does for those it lists. well it shows current hashrates no history plots etc [08:06]
Apocalyptic thanks, hum Devcoin has actually some decent hashrate [08:08]
knotwork merged mining can do that [08:09]
knotwork depending on the general prevalence of but-its-not-bitcoin sentiment [08:09]
knotwork considering just hashrate its IXCoin that is the dark horse so far, high hash/difficulty yet not much mass buying yet [08:11]
Duffer1 yet? [08:12]
knotwork Yet. When hashrate becomes a big selling point it would presumably see more volume and/or price [08:12]
knotwork currently cuteness of meme is the bigger selling point it seems [08:13]
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knotwork and none of the sctypt coins save maybe possibly litecoin can afford to let hashrate become the selling point of choice [08:13]
knotwork scrypt [08:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00672002 = 0.3898 BTC [-] {3} [08:14]
knotwork oh except maybe the supposedly merged mine capable scrypt coin [08:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00672 = 0.6653 BTC [-] {2} [08:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00099542 = 34.2922 BTC [+] {2} [08:17]
kakobrekla this seems new http://mall.diginforce.com/goods.php?id=38 [08:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-] [08:20]
knotwork So would there be much/any interest in some kind of "buy shares in a fully legally licensed etc etc Open Transactions server" kind of offering? [08:20]
knotwork As it looks like going legal could be a big whole in the law that one throws money into [08:21]
knotwork s/whole/hole/ [08:21]
knotwork Its early adopter time still for Open Transactions based stuff, oculd be good potential there... [08:22]
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mod6 Speaking of holes, was the signifigance of the revolutionary flag in '89 to cut out the old coat of arms? [08:26]
mircea_popescu the coat of arms was associated with the socialist republic [08:27]
mircea_popescu the flag had borne the king's arms afore, then after the war the communists copied this form, just with a new design. [08:27]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Romanian_Army_Flag_-_1940_used_model.svg << ww2 version. [08:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4782 @ 0.00008249 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {2} [08:28]
mircea_popescu the current coat of romania is pretty much the same, minus the hermelin. [08:28]
mod6 I some old footage recently, it stuck with me. [08:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.000085 = 0.1063 BTC [+] [08:29]
mod6 thx for the link :] [08:30]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ << officially largest btc bet in history of btc betting eh. [08:30]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 [08:30]
mod6 ;;bc,stats [08:30]
gribble Current Blocks: 281632 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2154321197.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.38361 [08:30]
mod6 is it also the largest in number of confirmed bets? [08:33]
knotwork wow looks like easy money this late in the game, what is the catch? [08:34]
mod6 s.bbet just had its 1st birthday [08:35]
* mod6 orders stripper to jump out of cake [08:35]
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knotwork Are there fees or somesuch that will eat the meagre win-profit if one bets yes this late? [08:36]
mod6 read da faq. there is a weight. [08:37]
kakobrekla fees are in the calculator [08:38]
knotwork 1% fee in effect it looks like. two thirds of the currently estimated winnings [08:38]
knotwork oh the winnings listed/calculated already have the fee taken out? The FAQ seems to imply otherwise. [08:39]
KRS1 doge gonna pop [08:40]
kakobrekla knotwork the calculator on the page is accounting for everything [08:43]
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kakobrekla whatever is under 'out' in resolved bets table it has the fee taken out. [08:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00099267 = 15.6346 BTC [-] {2} [08:47]
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knotwork resolved ones sure, what I am puzzling over is where it shows what a Yes or a No would pay on currently still running bet. FAQ seems to indicate that calculation is not including the fee [08:48]
mircea_popescu mod6 i think the confirmed bets is like 200 [08:49]
knotwork Specifically, the "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC" on page http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ [08:49]
knotwork if that does not take fee into account the fee would eat almost 2/3rds of the winnings [08:50]
knotwork even if the weight didndt change by end of time of liveness of the bet, which it probably will [08:50]
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knotwork so I am thinking the "catch" is that by the time the betting is closed the Yes would pay less than what one bet [08:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.0009887 = 31.589 BTC [-] [08:51]
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mircea_popescu knotwork let's do the math. [08:54]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 7992959/45677252 * 1743.52 [08:55]
gribble 305.094620746 [08:55]
kakobrekla the calc accounts for the 1% fee [08:56]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 8760 / 45677252 / 7992959 * 1743.52 [08:56]
gribble 4.18334311068e-08 [08:56]
mircea_popescu juesus im too tired to maff [08:57]
kakobrekla thats why you have the calc in the first place. [08:57]
kakobrekla so you can play tired. [08:57]
mircea_popescu aite ty [08:58]
kakobrekla :) [08:58]
knotwork Maybe it would help to have it say either "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC after fees" or say "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC before fees" to make it crystal clean in your face kind of thing [08:58]
knotwork s/clean/clear/ [08:58]
mircea_popescu "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" > "after fees, given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" ? [08:59]
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knotwork sure, great, you are the great writer/grammaticist/sequencer of words just so its clear is all I was after [09:00]
mircea_popescu well would the 2nd work for your purpose ? [09:00]
knotwork Thanks yes exactly it makes it pretty clear [09:00]
knotwork and saves having to repeat the "after fees" words on both the yes line and the no line [09:01]
kakobrekla id go with "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets, including fees" [09:01]
knotwork yeah that too would work [09:01]
knotwork though hmm somehow it doesn't "sound" quite as good [09:02]
mircea_popescu after fees is clear. including fees is not clear. [09:02]
mircea_popescu are they included in the sense of not substracted, or included in the sense of having been assesed. [09:02]
knotwork ah yes there ya go but also just tacking it on the end doesnt seem as ncie as putting it in front I dont know why [09:02]
kakobrekla just seems more choppy to me, putting in it front [09:03]
kakobrekla but whatever, its in front now and live. [09:03]
mircea_popescu bah two lines [09:03]
mircea_popescu take "time" out ? [09:03]
knotwork would smaller font be legible? [09:03]
kakobrekla 1 line here [09:03]
mircea_popescu after fees, given current weight and assuming no one else bets [09:03]
knotwork oh width of browser/screen effects? [09:04]
mircea_popescu I CARE OF NO OTHER BROWSER THAN MY OWN [09:04]
kakobrekla ok time is out [09:04]
mircea_popescu ELEVENTEEN [09:04]
kakobrekla does that fix it [09:04]
knotwork its one line for me regardless of scrunching the wondow smaller [09:04]
mircea_popescu nope ;/ given current weight > at current weight [09:04]
knotwork window [09:04]
mircea_popescu yes but you probably use something sane. [09:04]
knotwork Firefox, does that count? [09:05]
mircea_popescu myeah. [09:05]
knotwork oh gosh you aren't on Internet Explorer are you?!?! [09:05]
mircea_popescu im on bitbrowsercoinbit [09:05]
kakobrekla f5 [09:06]
mircea_popescu splendid [09:06]
knotwork its right-justified instead of centred [09:06]
mircea_popescu now let's hope nobody else further breaks our nice site with their IMPROVEMENTS [09:06]
kakobrekla fook you all [09:06]
knotwork or something. left margin larger than right margin for that line [09:06]
mircea_popescu it's good as is! [09:06]
knotwork ") [09:06]
knotwork :) [09:06]
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knotwork its not metalic rainbow hue with unicorns! [09:07]
kakobrekla yes its not on the center [09:07]
kakobrekla now it bothers me. [09:07]
knotwork :) [09:07]
mircea_popescu well im off to bed. don't do anything drastic [09:08]
kakobrekla see how this avalanche goes [09:08]
mircea_popescu like rainbows or unicorns [09:08]
knotwork its like the sound of the train going fruit and nut, fruit and nut, fruit and nut in the caadburys ad [09:08]
kakobrekla change is bad mkay [09:08]
mircea_popescu ^^^ [09:08]
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knotwork te cadburys ad they used to put in trains [09:10]
knotwork the train goes change is bad, change is bad, change is bad... ;) [09:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.66188008 = 3.3094 BTC [-] {3} [09:11]
kakobrekla ok i think that should do it. [09:11]
knotwork oh nice its centred! [09:11]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [18:50]
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mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe [18:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087687 / 0.00096953 / 0.0009999 (1236088 shares, 1,198.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00087234 / 0.0009999 (6570762 shares, 5,731.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087213 / 0.0009999 (26205358 shares, 22,854.72 BTC) [18:51]
mircea_popescu just not five digits huh [18:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61500001 = 1.23 BTC [-] {2} [18:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [-] [18:54]
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nubbins` so close! [18:59]
nubbins` turns out dropping 24btc on openbsd was a great form of advertising [19:00]
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nubbins` ars, el reg, slashdot, zdnet, etc all carried the story [19:00]
truffles r ppl smart enough for such maneuvers [19:00]
nubbins` only some credited bingo's blog ;) [19:01]
mircea_popescu iirc he was saying he got a lot of traffic [19:01]
pankkake that was some cheap advertising [19:02]
nubbins` i don't doubt it, lotta readers saw those stories [19:03]
nubbins` !t m s.mg [19:03]
assbot [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010069 / 0.000135 (30796 shares, 3.10 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.0001061 / 0.00014 (53100 shares, 5.63 BTC) [19:03]
pankkake any increases in rss feed subscriptions? twatter followers? [19:03]
mircea_popescu prolly [19:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099495 = 10.7455 BTC [+] [19:04]
mircea_popescu the funniest part in all of this are, of course, the variously non-english speaking romanian doods who had figured they're like... you know... teh bitcoin jesus [19:05]
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mircea_popescu (stuff happens in romania after a delay) [19:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.0009953 = 73.5527 BTC [+] {5} [19:05]
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mircea_popescu http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/inside-the-secret-chinese-camps-curing-internet-addiction/story-fnjwnhzf-1226806932466 [19:06]
mircea_popescu china taking the whole "you're grounded" thing to a whole new level [19:06]
mircea_popescu (mostly quoted for teh wtf pic) [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285259 = 0.2853 BTC [-] {4} [19:06]
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nubbins` http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/15/kitkat_text_trap_no_wrap/ [19:08]
nubbins` (mostly linked for the headline) [19:08]
nubbins` "Rap for KitKat in crap app wrap trap flap: Android 4.4 is 'meant to work like that'" [19:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24660 @ 0.00099143 = 24.4487 BTC [-] [19:08]
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mircea_popescu omg theregister speak! [19:12]
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nubbins` i've always had a soft spot for rhyming and alliteration in headlines [19:27]
truffles useful things in life ofc [19:27]
nubbins` nod [19:27]
nubbins` i always picture a room full of editors roaring with laughter and saying HAHAHA FUCK IT LET'S PUBLISH IT [19:28]
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mircea_popescu and nobody reading it knows what the headlines mean... [19:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7380 @ 0.00099567 = 7.348 BTC [+] {2} [19:36]
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nubbins` you need to draw a diagram sometimes to figure them out [19:38]
VitalyChernikov Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz [19:39]
pankkake I don't want to live on this planet anymore [19:40]
asciilifeform will somebody please wake the mod ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu lo. funny thing is, ima write an article about exactly this. [19:42]
thestringpuller lol [19:42]
mircea_popescu be about an hour. [19:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00617863 = 0.9392 BTC [+] {7} [19:42]
asciilifeform i asked the fellow politely, to hush, in his mother tongue. no dice. [19:42]
TomServo Did he even acknowledge it? [19:42]
pankkake I hope he's just a scammer and he won't really buy a macbook [19:42]
asciilifeform he did. said he would, anyway. [19:43]
mircea_popescu i imagine he's just trying this strange internet cube in original if inadequate ways. [19:43]
pankkake you don't use macbooks to develop, you use macbooks in node.js/ruby on rails/etc. conferences or in starbucks [19:43]
VitalyChernikov I am not a scammer, I real need [19:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform odds are you'll see him again, in that other capacity. [19:44]
mircea_popescu there's a progression at work. [19:44]
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pankkake VitalyChernikov, I suppose you currently have a computer, since you're here [19:44]
mircea_popescu phylogenesis retracing ontogenesis and all that. [19:44]
truffles its old and noisey pankkake! [19:45]
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KRS1 truffles: http://25.media.tumblr.com/46a173809e32fca9622e036fd31b3948/tumblr_msmhafIwi41rpewjfo1_400.jpg [19:45]
TomServo I blame mircea_popescu and his donation :P [19:45]
mircea_popescu i confess ;/ [19:45]
truffles i wanted to ask why he came here [19:45]
KRS1 Vitaly what was it you needed [19:46]
truffles krs1 i like cage whats, i dont get it [19:46]
truffles from that movie he did? [19:46]
KRS1 i thinks [19:46]
truffles once upon a time, he was my fav actor of all time [19:46]
VitalyChernikov oh sorry I need to put children into bed, i will be back [19:48]
KRS1 ya he's real good..u has new fav? [19:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hard (but not impossible!) to cross-compile winblows trojans under mac os. [19:48]
truffles those that produce consistent good work maybe [19:48]
truffles like Dicaprio [19:49]
VitalyChernikov Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not sistuation when you eant to work and you have no ability! I working and grow children it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work. [19:50]
truffles VitalyChernikov how come u didnt make this plea in #bitcoin? [19:51]
asciilifeform and what would be wrong with a linux box? [19:51]
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VitalyChernikov Sorry, last message was written with many mistakes because I was hurry. [19:52]
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KRS1 idk who my fav actor is..guess i still like the ones who are too old now [19:53]
pankkake wait, you have no ability and no job… but you want to write an android application "for your work" [19:53]
VitalyChernikov Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not know sistuation when you want to work and you have no ability! I working and parallely grow children and it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work. [19:53]
truffles tom hanks? [19:53]
KRS1 yep, rodney dangerfield, dan ankroyd, etc. [19:53]
pankkake growing children [19:53]
VitalyChernikov thanks [19:53]
truffles didnt those 2 die? [19:54]
KRS1 one did i think [19:54]
truffles VitalyChernikov u didnt answer my question ! [19:54]
KRS1 Isn't there a submission form he should fill out? [19:54]
truffles i thought he gave up after avoiding the 1 hour per copypaste [19:55]
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pankkake VitalyChernikov: do you have a daughter? I'll buy her for 2 BTC [19:55]
twizt lol [19:55]
KRS1 I bid 2.3 [19:56]
KRS1 pics [19:56]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ asciilifeform < [20:02]
ozbot La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:02]
truffles doesnt look english [20:02]
mircea_popescu that's okay, he speaks languages. [20:02]
truffles yea im sure he speaks broken x language :) [20:03]
KRS1 Vitaly grows children? Show me how this is done. [20:03]
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KRS1 Must look into this. [20:04]
alystair how long does it take for an unverified transaction to show up in my wallet? [20:04]
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pankkake a few seconds unless something is wrong [20:05]
alystair someone said they sent me 45000 doges after I paid them with paypal [20:05]
alystair but nothing shown up yet... it's been like 20 minutes now [20:05]
mircea_popescu alystair a block is about ten minutes, but a wallet should show tx in the pool as unconfirmed [20:05]
mircea_popescu so... half an hour ? [20:05]
mircea_popescu o doge. that i have no idea. [20:06]
alystair oh oops, I'm talking in wrong room [20:06]
punkman doge's like a block per minute [20:06]
mircea_popescu there's a doge-assets ? [20:06]
pankkake it's easy to resend them too; getrawtransaction ; sendrawtransaction [20:06]
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pankkake so ask him to resend it, or even, give you the raw tx so you can send it [20:07]
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jurov http://xkcd.com/1319/ amen [20:25]
ozbot xkcd: Automation [20:25]
mircea_popescu sounds about right. [20:26]
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asciilifeform "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti [21:00]
asciilifeform mes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field...." [21:00]
asciilifeform (herr naggum. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html) [21:00]
mircea_popescu myeah. [21:01]
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deego God. I hate Naggum. The ultimate troll/flamer. Just because he's dead, people start worshipping him now. [21:03]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/frolova_nina/status/425705073818095616 [21:03]
ozbot Twitter / frolova_nina: @Mircea_Popescu Your help is ... [21:03]
mircea_popescu i'm selling my interest in nina, taking bids. [21:03]
mircea_popescu deego i suspect stan worshipped him before he died. [21:03]
asciilifeform funnily, i never once spoke with herr n. when he was alive [21:03]
asciilifeform and sort of hated his guts [21:04]
mircea_popescu now that's interesting. [21:04]
mircea_popescu how come ? [21:04]
asciilifeform i took the side of some of the people he was flaming (in my head) [21:04]
asciilifeform because at the time i was quite irritated with commonlisp. [21:04]
mircea_popescu that;s always a good reason to like a person, neh ? [21:04]
deego https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.lisp/IXRNCJo_G3k [21:05]
ozbot Google Groups [21:05]
deego and https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emacs/FyjThnjJ6LU/N06te0FleAkJ [21:05]
asciilifeform (example: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3182446271277745@naggum.net.html) [21:06]
deego asciilifeform: Oh, I like lisp, but a complete asshole and a jerk is still a jerk. :) [21:07]
asciilifeform i was a lurker of the worst degree - several years after the fact. [21:07]
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deego author of such gems as " do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight." [21:07]
asciilifeform deego: it helps to know the context. [21:08]
asciilifeform some of the people he dealt with really were living garbage of the most noxious sort. [21:08]
asciilifeform ex: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185391497019108@naggum.net.html [21:08]
mircea_popescu deego perhaps unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where assholes and jerks are properly revered as the kings of all creation. which they are. [21:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform which brings to mind : redditard wisdom is now that "i edited" the niggers article, because rather than wrap their stupid heads around the fact they couldn't matte rless, [21:09]
mircea_popescu claiming the sun set in the east some time last month is a much easier solution., [21:09]
mircea_popescu on reddit. [21:09]
asciilifeform hm. kid at racetrack: 'damn those things are loud, and they stink.' old man: 'unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where loud, stinking things are revered.' kid: goes home, smears shit on himself, yells 'vroom! vroom!' [21:10]
mircea_popescu gagaga [21:10]
VitalyChernikov Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz [21:11]
asciilifeform the sad part is that even naggum's idiots were livelier and more interesting than modern ones (that i know of) [21:11]
mircea_popescu kako is going to end up sending openbsd a bill. [21:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is something otherworldly about the sack of shit that goes "i'll just sit here and pretend, no matter what" [21:13]
asciilifeform much the same psychiatric aspects as the case of an ordinary spammer. who doesn't see the channel as a place with people, but as a receptacle [21:14]
asciilifeform like a urinal [21:14]
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asciilifeform or, to be charitable, an altar [21:14]
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mircea_popescu jesus, so much capitalisation drama in lisp [21:15]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform arguably, the libertard is pissing in his own mouth tho. [21:15]
asciilifeform 90% of the drama was in the form of A: 'standard is crap!' B: 'no it isn't, i love it' A: ok, how about this B: yeah, maybe this should've been different A: let's change it B: no, you'll break my satellite/aircraft carrier/jacuzzi [21:16]
asciilifeform (standard being ANSI INCITS 226-1994) [21:16]
mircea_popescu perhaps. the way it reads to me is more like boys tring to come to terms with questions of hierarchy and submission in an extremely complex environment [21:17]
asciilifeform it was exactly this [21:17]
mircea_popescu with the result that the work needed on average exceeds the work anyone's to put in [21:17]
mircea_popescu anyone' willing/able to put in i mean [21:17]
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mircea_popescu welll... don't they play football in their spare time anymore, these people ? what do they do when they're 15 ? [21:18]
asciilifeform plenty of args re: business, etc [21:19]
asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185359514853009@naggum.net.html [21:19]
ozbot Re: LispWorks Pricing Information from Xanalys - Naggum cll archive [21:19]
asciilifeform "the regulators are fully to blame for the inability of societies to value software properly..." [21:20]
mircea_popescu 0.o [21:20]
asciilifeform more re: hierarchy: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242144155107453@naggum.no.html [21:21]
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asciilifeform but i'll stop here. anybody who wants these knows where to find them. [21:21]
asciilifeform (xach has the whole thing, at least as far as usenet goes.) [21:21]
mircea_popescu " What you could do is take this back to the drawing board, declare yourself unfit to make technical decision because of too much personal involvement, and let other people find ways to reach all of your (technical) goals while breaking none of other people's goals and needs. " [21:21]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this ever happened. [21:21]
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asciilifeform doubtful. [21:22]
mircea_popescu so then what am i to think of someone who proposes someone else should do what has never happened. [21:23]
mircea_popescu maybe naggum should fart magical pie out of his ear that convinces princess diana to learn how to lisp. [21:23]
VitalyChernikov Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz [21:23]
asciilifeform lusers don't kill themselves at the behest of a fiery flame, either [21:24]
VitalyChernikov!*@* added to ignore list. [21:24]
asciilifeform but it doesn't hurt to suggest it politely. [21:24]
asciilifeform some people may get the message. [21:24]
mircea_popescu ok, let's take the final portion. "reach all your goals w/o breaking other people's "needs" ?! [21:24]
mircea_popescu has THIS ever happened ? [21:24]
asciilifeform naggum, in case this doesn't come across in his posts, did not want to popularize common lisp. [21:25]
asciilifeform and frequently hammered people who mentioned having this goal. [21:25]
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mircea_popescu " Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best." [21:26]
nubbins` pankkake i used to work at a place that did .net development, this one dev purchased his own high-end mac workstation and ran windows in a VM to do his coding [21:27]
mircea_popescu someone should write the naggumtropes website. [21:27]
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pankkake nubbins`: oh, I've seen similar horrible things [21:27]
pankkake *sysadmin* running windows on a mac [21:27]
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nubbins` he used TimeMachine for version control [21:27]
pankkake lollll [21:27]
asciilifeform i know several people, who will remain nameless, who do variations on this theme. [21:27]
nubbins` all the same, he never had any problems with it [21:28]
pankkake VitalyChernikov: entertain us or get out. or at least sell your daugther [21:28]
nubbins` every now and then his windows vm got messed up and he'd just fire up a new one [21:28]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this is SOP in crapware analysis [21:28]
mircea_popescu " I prefer a society based in the rule of law to groups of eager people with bright ideas who ignore everything that has gone before them." << we now have the definition of the old fart. [21:28]
nubbins` SOP for sharepoint development too [21:28]
nubbins` way too easy to fuck up your whole install [21:29]
mircea_popescu pankkake what, he's still here ? [21:29]
pankkake yes, with the same message [21:29]
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mircea_popescu if more people went to school and got internet, [21:31]
mircea_popescu more people would be here saying the same interesting thing [21:31]
mircea_popescu multiple times. [21:31]
mircea_popescu how could one not be a progressive ? [21:31]
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mircea_popescu anyway, study material re winter and cars : [21:33]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1814c467030c83e0988ff8e29761517/tumblr_mmjclqZgkA1rhd9f2o1_1280.jpg [21:33]
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kakobrekla i dont see a time window for spamming -assets inthere' [21:35]
mircea_popescu if she turned you'd notice the wifi wifeplug [21:37]
asciilifeform wifeplug? [21:37]
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mircea_popescu yes. gfplug goes in teh front, wifeplug goes in the back. [21:38]
mircea_popescu it's really very complicated. [21:38]
asciilifeform whole field, 'dildonics,' as i understand. [21:39]
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mircea_popescu dildo-nix [21:40]
mircea_popescu they argue a lot about flavour, instead of case. [21:40]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu is drunk I see [21:43]
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mircea_popescu wait wut / [21:45]
pankkake http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/21/why-bitcoin-matters/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1& [21:46]
jurov VitalyChernikov: what about replacing these fans in your machine? [21:47]
jurov and if it's still noisy due to hdd, teach ur wife to bear it [21:48]
asciilifeform "A random spectator at a televised sports event held up a placard with a QR code and the text “Send me Bitcoin!” He received $25,000 in Bitcoin in the first 24 hours, all from people he had never met." [21:48]
blg andreesseen is who backed coinbase for 25 million, the author of that article [21:48]
asciilifeform and you people wonder where the beggars come from. [21:48]
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blg lol nice nick [21:49]
mircea_popescu blg well it's nice to see people are coming to terms with it. [21:49]
kakobrekla from new york? [21:49]
blg yeah Andreessen Horowitz is a very famous VC firm in the silicon valley [21:49]
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mircea_popescu srsly ? [21:50]
asciilifeform they're funding.... urbit. [21:50]
blg yes [21:50]
blg i have a friend who's company might get backed by them [21:50]
blg i live in silicon valley [21:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ident AndreessenHorowitz [21:50]
gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. [21:50]
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mircea_popescu well, they got a ways to go yet. [21:51]
pankkake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreessen_Horowitz#Exits lol [21:51]
ozbot Andreessen Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:51]
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jurov VitalyChernikov what have fans to do with kitchen? learn englich properly first [21:51]
blg lol groupon [21:51]
blg and lol instagram [21:51]
jcpham teespring most recently [21:52]
kakobrekla its learn england, jurov . [21:52]
pankkake VitalyChernikov: why does it have to be a macbook? [21:52]
jurov lrn totly yea [21:52]
kakobrekla cause macfag. [21:52]
mircea_popescu so why would your friend wish to associate himself with the groupon scammers ? [21:52]
mircea_popescu blg ^ [21:53]
blg what do you mean scammers? [21:53]
blg groupon was legit until their CEO ran it in to the groud [21:53]
mircea_popescu i mean people who make false statements to collect money from suckers, and then fail to deliver [21:53]
mircea_popescu you know... scammers. [21:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: people will do literally anything if they think it will set them free from work-prison. [21:53]
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mircea_popescu hahaha o i see, much like say what, skepsidyne ? [21:53]
blg well andreessen exited way before all that [21:53]
mircea_popescu blg but they pushed it, didn't they ? [21:53]
jurov VitalyChernikov: if you can't fix noisy machine then you won't get a satoshi, i'm afraid [21:53]
pankkake VitalyChernikov: both being terrible choices, especially since you pretend you want to write Android applications [21:53]
blg i guess [21:54]
blg how is groupon a scam [21:54]
blg i've never used it [21:54]
pankkake you pretend to have a job and a wife, yet spend your time begging for 2 BTC? [21:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, but it's a little ridiculous that they seem to somehow have constructed a pretend-world where they don't even have to consider what they're doing. [21:54]
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asciilifeform 'the sleep of reason births monsters' or how did it go. [21:54]
mircea_popescu blg groupon is a scam in the manner the web start-up circus is a scam. make website with no utility, pretend huge customer base that doesn't exist or is bught, pretend huge growth that doesn't exist or is manufactured, [21:55]
mircea_popescu list the thing and split with the ipo proceeds. [21:55]
blg oh hah [21:55]
blg well groupon should have taken the 6 billion dollar offer from google [21:55]
blg that was the mistake of a lifetime there [21:55]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [21:55]
blg same with snapchat [21:56]
blg 3 billion from facebook [21:56]
blg suckerberg is a douche i would have loved to see his face though [21:56]
mircea_popescu cat-in-the-bag trading may be great comedy, but it's not business. [21:56]
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asciilifeform in other news, http://cryptome.org/2014/01/spoiled-onions.pdf [22:00]
blg lol [22:00]
blg i have access to the #1 tor exit node [22:01]
blg #1 in throughput i mean [22:01]
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asciilifeform to be fair, this is really 'amateur hour' [22:02]
asciilifeform as if it escapes anyone's attention that ssl-mitm is readily detectable. [22:02]
asciilifeform (when lacking the root key, that is. the people who have the latter, however, needn't screw with tor; they diddle your packets wherever they like.) [22:03]
mircea_popescu "Visits to Wikipedia had previously risen steadily year-on-year for a decade. Towards the end of the 2012 this trend not only stalled, but went into an unprecedented decline." [22:03]
mircea_popescu i wish to officially take credit for this. [22:03]
mircea_popescu fu, retardopedia. [22:03]
asciilifeform other explanation: wik. struck a deal with google to be removed from the pagerank engine [22:03]
asciilifeform so people stopped spamming it [22:03]
asciilifeform (for the most part) [22:03]
asciilifeform and turns out most of the visitors were... spammers. [22:03]
mircea_popescu sure, sure. [22:04]
mircea_popescu coincidentally, i also blogged about what a pos it is, about on the same timeline [22:04]
mircea_popescu i still wish to take credit for it. [22:04]
blg what alternative do you recommend for wikipedia [22:05]
mircea_popescu an education. [22:06]
pankkake you're just upset because there is no Wikipedia article about the great Mircea Popescu [22:06]
mircea_popescu there is no possible alternative. no magic trick will make you be knowledgeable, other than actually being knowledgeable. [22:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake uh isn't there ? [22:07]
mircea_popescu i recall they wanted a pic and so i licensed some at some point [22:07]
mircea_popescu ie, gpl-released [22:07]
mircea_popescu hm i guess there isn't. [22:07]
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mircea_popescu well, maybe if i take up soccer. [22:08]
pankkake or become a pokémon [22:08]
mircea_popescu what's involved in becoming a pokemon ? [22:09]
pankkake yes [22:10]
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pankkake CoinTerra miners: http://cointerra.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_1673.1.jpg [22:11]
mircea_popescu the people or the empty boxen ? [22:11]
dub fanboxen [22:12]
Duffer1 looks like the activeminer pics [22:12]
dub s/activeminer/bfl [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00099586 = 34.5563 BTC [+] {4} [22:13]
pankkake they're "tweaking boards" but no performance indication [22:13]
mircea_popescu s/ needs to be recursinve now [22:13]
mircea_popescu pankkake wouldn't it kick ass if the miners actually had non-planar boards [22:13]
mircea_popescu cause they got tweaked you see. [22:13]
pankkake I have some non-planar boards [22:13]
pankkake but it wasn't planned [22:14]
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mircea_popescu haha [22:14]
Duffer1 http://instantrimshot.com/ >.< [22:15]
ozbot Welcome to Instant Rimshot [22:15]
Namworld are the cointerra workers 15 or what? [22:15]
dub foreground dude looks like rg [22:16]
Namworld They could be same family too. "Hey kids, do you want a bigger allowance? Daddy needs help to build fanboxes. It's some sort of weird fetish porn. Some people get excited and throw money at you when you show them fanboxes." [22:19]
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pankkake needs more miners with fan leds [22:23]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: nice work on openbsd :) [22:31]
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mircea_popescu as per usual, i did none of the work, [22:32]
mircea_popescu i'm just taking all the credit. [22:32]
nanotube heh [22:32]
mircea_popescu hehe [22:32]
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mgio hello everyone [22:39]
kakobrekla hi [22:40]
Uglux hi [22:40]
pankkake http://just-dice.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-refunds-no-exceptions.html [22:40]
ozbot Just-News @ Just-Dice: NO REFUNDS -- NO EXCEPTIONS [22:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-] [22:41]
TomServo wat [22:43]
kakobrekla surprise surprise. [22:43]
TomServo Doog did a doge-dice site? [22:43]
kakobrekla ya [22:43]
kakobrekla doh! [22:43]
TomServo what the... [22:43]
pankkake yes; after all, it's the most serious altcoin to ever come [22:43]
Duffer1 ..................... [22:45]
kakobrekla just wait until doge is 100$. [22:45]
kakobrekla 3 spans of the universe, tops. [22:45]
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mircea_popescu pankkake look at that, these filthy bitbet scammers taking over the world. [22:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02410416 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {4} [22:48]
pankkake how? [22:48]
pankkake maybe I should have invested in bitbet after all… [22:49]
mircea_popescu how dare just-dice not refund people's losses! [22:49]
mircea_popescu this is the internet! on the package in which internet came, it clearly said it's an enjoyable experience. [22:49]
pankkake funnily I'm still at a slight loss as an investor [22:50]
mircea_popescu the luser has already paid aol 30 bucks, he is E.N.T.I.T.L.E.D. to everything else now [22:50]
mircea_popescu what the fcuk [22:50]
pankkake the internet failed by not having micropayments early [22:50]
pankkake now every website is supposed to sustain itself by advertising [22:51]
mircea_popescu the internet failed by not having payment well sorted out BEFORE it allowed undegrads access. [22:51]
dub lel [22:51]
dub what degrees do you hold again mp? [22:51]
mircea_popescu this created 10-15 years of dead air during which every fuckwit ended up with delusions of equality with the class of people who rightfully had free internet everytthing [22:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-] [22:52]
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mircea_popescu dub http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#444346 [22:52]
mircea_popescu but that's besides the point. i have no problem paying for shit. [22:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00099591 = 18.3247 BTC [+] [22:53]
dub arts, impressive [22:54]
mircea_popescu not everyone can be smart enough to go into tech :D [22:54]
dub tech is more about sucking the right dick [22:55]
pankkake how so? [22:57]
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mircea_popescu i was being sarcastic yo. i did physics before i did philosophy. [22:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02579999 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2} [22:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0241 = 0.482 BTC [-] [22:59]
dub corporate life, even in engineering, is more about your network than education [22:59]
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jcpham dub tell us how you really feel [23:00]
dub dem feels [23:00]
mircea_popescu tech as an intellectual pursuit has nothing to do with tech as a job. [23:03]
dub true [23:03]
mircea_popescu jobs as organised by people who don't customarily use weaponry would necessarily degenerate in the equivalent of the female chimp flea picking fest. [23:04]
mircea_popescu nttawwt. [23:04]
dub ;;ud nttawwt [23:05]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTAWWT | Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. (Origin: Seinfeld?) [23:05]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: NTTAWWT [23:05]
pankkake oh [23:05]
dub ty ud [23:06]
mircea_popescu wow, i had just made it up [23:06]
mircea_popescu or so i thought. [23:06]
dub I thought mp has keyboard tourettes [23:06]
pankkake thougt it was a variation of "awww" [23:06]
mircea_popescu jesus one can't even be autistically clever anymore. [23:06]
pankkake but that shorthand can be useful, as I'm often to lazy to say the full sentence [23:06]
mircea_popescu unpronounceable tho [23:06]
mircea_popescu 1nttawwtplzdonateguise. [23:07]
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mgio has anyone seen ukyo around recently? [23:16]
dub try #scamtown [23:16]
pankkake oh he's not there anymore? [23:17]
mircea_popescu ;;seen ukyo [23:17]
gribble ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: thats been the promise all along VanCleef [23:17]
Duffer1 try #bitfunder [23:17]
mircea_popescu did they cover in the end as promised or how did that end up ? [23:17]
jurov he's sometimes on #bitfunder or #weex [23:17]
jurov and they paid only 2% of that [23:17]
jurov the rest is "not accessible" [23:18]
Duffer1 not accessible how? [23:18]
kakobrekla meaning they dont have it. [23:18]
jurov even the 2% claims interface has bitcoind outages every now and then [23:18]
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jurov ukyo always carefully avoids disclosing how [23:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.0009927 = 7.2001 BTC [-] {2} [23:19]
Duffer1 fascinating [23:19]
mgio its horrible [23:19]
mgio i'm owed 250 coins [23:19]
dub that was stupid [23:19]
Duffer1 i'm sorry to hear that man [23:19]
mgio thats a buttload of money [23:19]
mgio unfortunately it looks like its lawyer time [23:20]
mgio its enough moeny that i have no other choice [23:20]
kakobrekla well at least you are on the right path, being here. [23:20]
jurov mgio, let me know if you do some moves, i can throw something in [23:21]
mgio last i heard he still cliams to plan on playing everyone back and even paying all back dividends on ukyo.loan bonds, but he hasn't said anything in a while now [23:21]
mircea_popescu jurov sad. [23:21]
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jurov it's "only" 28btc in it for me [23:22]
mircea_popescu so you saved openbfd ? [23:22]
jurov yep :) [23:22]
mircea_popescu wd man. [23:22]
dub openbfd eh [23:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-] [23:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [-] [23:28]
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vial assbot: http://www.xnxx.com/video3362155/ream_and_scream_giant_butt_plug [23:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099177 = 14.2815 BTC [-] {2} [23:37]
dub vial: sounds like a good summary of the ukyo situ [23:37]
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mgio its very sad lol [23:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-] [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04900102 = 0.147 BTC [-] [23:50]
pLambert is S.MPOE really worth a billion USD? [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00099183 = 2.2812 BTC [+] [23:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04870022 = 2.435 BTC [-] {8} [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15978 @ 0.00099183 = 15.8475 BTC [+] [23:54]
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FakeVolumeBot pLambert: yes! [23:54]
mircea_popescu is the usg really worth 10 trillion usd ? [23:54]
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pLambert no, the USG is worth -10 trillion USD, they are in deep debt! [23:55]
mircea_popescu http://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:87.98.146.72 [23:55]
ozbot User talk:87.98.146.72 - Sons of Anarchy [23:55]
mircea_popescu derp [23:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 88 @ 0.00372 = 0.3274 BTC [-] [23:55]
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pankkake mircea_popescu: it's me [23:56]
mircea_popescu what's teh anarchy wikia thing ? [23:56]
pankkake it's a TV series [23:56]
pankkake I fixed a typo with that IP I guess [23:56]
mircea_popescu the stuff you do lol [23:56]
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mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc9e0bc308957cb49209be24aabc2489/tumblr_mk5bdwW3mv1rokzhio1_1280.jpg [23:57]
mircea_popescu related. [23:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00099211 = 18.1745 BTC [+] {2} [23:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the 30 minute thing : maybe time to include some nuclear power. [23:59]
mircea_popescu that way you can time even when offline. also good in space. [23:59]
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asciilifeform pocket nuclear power for beginners: a ten-second intro! [23:59]
asciilifeform 1) buy 'traser' key chain. [23:59]
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    [...] like all the rest of all the rest of youv, rite ? Too fucking clever for your own good, line up and get to the fucking ovens already, [...]

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