Forum logs for 20 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	pankkake http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/ << thanks for teh link	[00:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/85/nasa-finds-et/	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	check out the bottom feeders in teh comments lol	[00:29]
ozbot	BitBet - NASA finds ET	[00:29]
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benkay	!t m s.nsa	[01:08]
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mike_c	excellent pr skillz prevented a freefall :)	[01:10]
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benkay	the audience is tractable.	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	olo	[01:19]
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benkay	yolo!	[01:25]
Vexual	mircea, i was interested to see you wrote on the film the family	[01:31]
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Vexual	did you see something beautiful on the banal underpainting? or are you joking about evryones hardon for deniros?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-family/	[01:38]
ozbot	The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:38]
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Vexual	if you have the tools handy, try removing every frame with a face, it's a nice short film	[01:57]
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Duffer1	http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306	[02:06]
ozbot	Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana	[02:06]
Duffer1	"The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper"	[02:06]
Vexual	hiss eyes are more glazed than his orb	[02:07]
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Vexual	he evvisions a bigger, shinier trackball with more velco	[02:08]
Duffer1	ha	[02:09]
Duffer1	needs more corduroy imo	[02:09]
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Vexual	another fun image processing exercise, no corduroy, no run	[02:19]
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Vexual	orb reports fatal cord error	[02:21]
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deadweasel	ha, the family, mildy entertaining. i'm pretty sure as US citizens, we are allowed blow up foreign groceries.	[02:23]
deadweasel	as long as we use drones.	[02:23]
deadweasel	mildly* se	[02:23]
deadweasel	fuck keyboards	[02:23]
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thestringpuller	amazing	[02:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[02:32]
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mircea_popescu	deadweasel mildewy ?	[02:51]
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deadweasel	the brain, yes	[02:58]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmIG9ujYEyM	[03:54]
ozbot	Peter Chung Animated Creations (6) - YouTube	[03:54]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8pwUMuS8S0	[03:55]
ozbot	Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar (Ben E & Falki Remix) - YouTube	[03:55]
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Vexual	nubbins' how foes the rainbow vomit?	[04:10]
Vexual	your macig fountain bar installation	[04:12]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	hey Vexual	[04:15]
Vexual	hello	[04:15]
nubbins`	ah. we didn't have enough time to make a rainbow vomit	[04:16]
nubbins`	had to settle for rainbow streamers ;(	[04:16]
Vexual	did it provide a model of a frame of reference where light only behaves as a wave and shit?	[04:16]
nubbins`	in fact, the room filled up with vibrations	[04:17]
Vexual	amazing	[04:18]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:18]
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Vexual	reading popescue is like nos, theres that numbing confusion that might be funny, but you don't know where you're sitting, a fruity dry nose of old wood and nosferatu, and a defined sense of nostradamus lingering on the palette.	[04:49]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/qfFCe	[04:52]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[04:52]
nubbins`	that's the past 24 hours for me	[04:52]
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Vexual	nice, i really like it just as the first colour even	[04:54]
nubbins`	nod	[04:55]
nubbins`	thanks	[04:55]
nubbins`	super last minute job, almost didn't get it done on time	[04:56]
nubbins`	i was wrapping up the stack of prints like 25 minutes before the doors opened at the venue :0	[04:56]
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Vexual	so theyre souveneirs mor e than advertising?	[04:58]
nubbins`	yeah, they're selling them at the show as merch	[05:00]
nubbins`	way too expensive to post outdoors ;D	[05:00]
Vexual	hot off the press baby, tres cool	[05:00]
nubbins`	thanks	[05:01]
nubbins`	went delirious earlier	[05:02]
nubbins`	up til 4am printing	[05:02]
nubbins`	then awake again this morning & nothing to eat but 2 cookies	[05:02]
nubbins`	until 6pm	[05:02]
nubbins`	ink fumes	[05:02]
nubbins`	&c	[05:02]
gribble	Error: "c" is not a valid command.	[05:02]
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BingoBoingo	;;asks 1000	[05:04]
gribble	There are currently 12892.122 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10964663.8696 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0757 seconds	[05:04]
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Vexual	https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/413762734602194944/photo/1	[05:07]
ozbot	Twitter / Omar_Gaza: #Gaza: Evacuating an elderly ...	[05:07]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM	[05:33]
ozbot	Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube	[05:33]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	hmmm	[05:35]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	this deserves a play	[05:35]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Vexual: Highly recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0	[05:36]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	That bitch is hawt	[05:36]
Vexual	stones no longer safe on earth	[05:37]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Vexual this song is great	[05:39]
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Vexual	bueno	[05:42]
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Vexual	http://vimeo.com/30567004	[05:47]
ozbot	Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo	[05:47]
Vexual	salut	[05:48]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	Vexual did you like that song Rosana	[05:56]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	video is hilarious	[05:56]
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nubbins`	i can't stop staring at that poster	[05:57]
nubbins`	so proud ;(	[05:57]
Vexual	do you do art prints for galleries nubules?	[05:59]
nubbins`	we've had prints that we've done in galleries	[05:59]
nubbins`	not our own works though	[05:59]
Vexual	yes i did like that video krs	[05:59]
nubbins`	like that poster i linked isn't our design	[06:00]
nubbins`	we just printed it	[06:00]
Vexual	so u ink stuff for artists to sell for 100s?	[06:00]
Vexual	u should hop a train to nyc	[06:01]
nubbins`	heh	[06:02]
nubbins`	nah, too busy	[06:02]
nubbins`	but yes, that's a thing we do	[06:02]
nubbins`	hundreds is a bit less common	[06:02]
nubbins`	great way for people to make money tho. sell posters for like 20-30+ each	[06:03]
Vexual	yeah, looks like decent parchment u got there	[06:03]
nubbins`	costs maybe 6-10 to print them	[06:03]
nubbins`	nice cotton rag paper	[06:03]
Vexual	u make decent nmoney to stay up all night	[06:04]
nubbins`	acid free	[06:04]
nubbins`	it's not about what you make, it's about what you spend :D	[06:04]
Vexual	nod	[06:04]
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Vexual	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Oz-31-p1and2.jpg	[06:09]
Vexual	this is from an old sydney zine	[06:09]
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nubbins`	siiiick	[06:10]
nubbins`	that thing on the left	[06:10]
nubbins`	:o	[06:10]
Vexual	that issue is floating around pdf style	[06:11]
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nubbins`	we do a fully silkscreened zine once a year	[06:12]
nubbins`	too costly to hand print the insides generally	[06:12]
nubbins`	but it's nice to just hemorrhage money once in a while and produce something that challenges you	[06:13]
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Vexual	http://thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/	[06:35]
ozbot	Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers	[06:35]
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mircea_popescu	.d	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	30% o.o	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	i have no idea who "owen gunden" is and even less of an idea why he thinks he's in a position to play the expert in this space.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	KRS\|Gotyawallet ^	[07:00]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	ya	[07:00]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	right	[07:00]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	figured you'd find that interesting so i shared	[07:01]
Vexual	gay hat	[07:01]
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Vexual	came on the front of a magazine just like red hat	[07:02]
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Vexual	marie claire? whoops, i wanted android developer	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	dork parade.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	but anyways.	[07:03]
Vexual	trotsky wore a nice hat ya?	[07:04]
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Vexual	that shit prevents brain injury	[07:08]
Duffer1	nice hats?	[07:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC	[07:09]
Vexual	my alologies	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	kinda lulzy anyway.	[07:10]
Vexual	tis the season	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	"let	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	s pretend there doesn;t exist a $1bn+ player around and our 5mn start-up could matter"	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	nice season.	[07:12]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka4ZPBLz9NI	[07:12]
ozbot	Bunny Wailer - Bald Head Jesus - YouTube	[07:12]
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kakobrekla	imgur.com/Wppk2o2	[07:20]
kakobrekla	http://imgur.com/Wppk2o2	[07:20]
ozbot	a basic primer on economics (for new users) - Imgur	[07:20]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Player indeed	[07:20]
Vexual	hows pankakkes economics lesson going?	[07:20]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	we've all seen those startups with fancy logos and names you've never heard of before..in almost any industry or service offering	[07:21]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	some almost seemed like a packaged deal you can buy online	[07:21]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	real tight and lulzy	[07:21]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw	[07:21]
ozbot	SKRILLEX - Bangarang feat. Sirah [Official Music Video] - YouTube	[07:21]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	IPO in a box	[07:27]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Just name your board and officers allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Attorneys fees, filing and taxes extra.	[07:27]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	'Shells R Us'	[07:28]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4	[07:29]
ozbot	Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff - YouTube	[07:29]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mo75mKFJ0	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	one of these days some us kid is going to pay attention in school, and thus hear about this "flying with machines heavier than air" new idea	[07:37]
ozbot	DJ Algoriddim: King Pharoahs Plague (Yabby U, Vivian Jackson, Tommy McCook, King Tubby) - YouTube	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	and before you know it there's going to be a bloweing start-up in virginia, which is going to maybe one day have airplane flights among cities!	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	like you know, a regular thing! creativity! revolution!	[07:38]
Vexual	theres a great ultralight crash on liveleak	[07:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 679 @ 0.002836 = 1.9256 BTC [-]	[07:39]
Vexual	gotta start somewhere	[07:39]
Vexual	land, stroke beard, kick thing with adrenalin	[07:39]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the startup of steam! will have to come first.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	nah, there's no multi billion dollar steam company already in business	[07:40]
asciilifeform	(as described here - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388)	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore it's not a hot subject.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	notice how kids play about being cavalry officers on their wooden horse cca 1800	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	but not 2000 ?	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	now they're tank commanders.	[07:41]
asciilifeform	i did both...	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	i never did the tank thing.	[07:41]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOnYL1uSuc	[07:45]
ozbot	Machete Kills TV SPOT - President Carlos (2013) - Charlie Sheen Movie HD - YouTube	[07:45]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KDW80qLXs	[07:55]
ozbot	Johnny Vegas - The Late Late Show \| Behind The Scenes - YouTube	[07:55]
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Vexual	why is there an mpex logo on that stones track>?	[08:09]
Vexual	illuminati/?	[08:09]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMg_X9lHMc	[08:13]
ozbot	Marteria - Kids (2 Finger an den Kopf) [Offizielles Video] - YouTube	[08:13]
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Vexual	hey smidge, im getting thirsty	[08:17]
Vexual	please don't forget about me	[08:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1530 @ 0.00012 = 0.1836 BTC [+]	[08:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 172 @ 0.00299336 = 0.5149 BTC [+] {5}	[08:23]
Vexual	you sure get all english as a second language when you don't like the content smidge	[08:24]
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Vexual	you be 3 million euro in the hole, and all i get is distain	[08:28]
truffles	ure super broke vexual?	[08:30]
Vexual	sure	[08:31]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1Rs6LSvBs	[08:32]
ozbot	transvision vamp - i want your love - YouTube	[08:32]
truffles	i can loan u 6 bux to get u back on ur feat	[08:32]
Vexual	thanks brah	[08:32]
truffles	no prob	[08:33]
truffles	u can turn it into 600 in no time	[08:33]
Vexual	in a week	[08:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0227 = 0.1589 BTC [+]	[08:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02215833 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {3}	[08:34]
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truffles	i believe she wants that love	[08:35]
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Vexual	ironicly im sure that song gets a cheque	[08:36]
truff1es	hehe	[08:36]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw more cool hatz	[08:37]
ozbot	Pharrell Williams - Happy (12AM) - YouTube	[08:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0487896 = 0.4391 BTC [+]	[08:38]
truff1es	my fav pharrell song is	[08:39]
truff1es	cant remember the name	[08:41]
Vexual	youre shit in so many ways truffles	[08:41]
truff1es	:8	[08:41]
truff1es	why u say that	[08:41]
Vexual	well its self evident to me	[08:42]
truff1es	u want hurt my feelings is that it	[08:42]
Vexual	my apologies	[08:42]
truff1es	ure sorry now? pfff	[08:43]
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Vexual	whoa, are u esl too?	[08:43]
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truff1es	esl ?	[08:44]
truff1es	:D	[08:44]
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Vexual	u play mostor hunter truffles?	[08:52]
truff1es	no?	[08:53]
Vexual	oh	[08:53]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	anyone see this article	[08:54]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12	[08:54]
ozbot	The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider	[08:54]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	THIS is why we need to move our assets to dogecoin.	[08:56]
Vexual	some of the new new sers will get it in a year	[08:57]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: That article basically reads as 'Murica can't bitcoin so I hate Bitcoin	[08:58]
Vexual	murica bitcoins hard	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	lol meltdown my foot.	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: And nevar forget that 'Murica isn't even 'Murican enough for Duck Dynasty	[08:59]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	None of those comments address these concerns.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	someone should save all this retardedness so we can mock "mainstream" media later on.	[08:59]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqtApWRtEM	[08:59]
ozbot	Public Enemy No. 1 - Public Enemy - YouTube	[08:59]
truff1es	monster hunter looks like role playing vexual	[08:59]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Those seem like valid concerns. These comments are simply just ignoring the issues.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	what valid concern specifically ?	[09:00]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Anyone have a good rebuttal for any of the concerns illustrated in the article?	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	...	[09:00]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	I shall pick one.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	go ahead	[09:01]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	im not debating or questioning anyone's expertise here. I'm curious because these seem pretty legit.	[09:01]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	ok so the comment about inflation can be dismissed-	[09:02]
Vexual	....	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	well so which are the concerns ?	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << the cannonical "inflation concern" rebuttal.	[09:03]
ozbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:03]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth.	[09:03]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12#ixzz2nzpQ4sy0	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	"transactional currency" is a meaningless string created to give the appearance of depth to a nonsense piece of posturing.	[09:03]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	That seems pretty valid.	[09:03]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	However, much of the supply is in the hands of a few.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is and was a store of value. this is trilema 2012,	[09:04]
Vexual	he sung that ax withought a breath	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	and in general these "professors" and "experts" would do a lot better reading more and talking less.	[09:04]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	so supply isn't a problem..	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	gold is not "a transactional currency" either.	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	who cares and why is it a topic ?	[09:05]
truff1es	lol!	[09:05]
Vexual	satoshi was very wizard	[09:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0487896 = 0.7318 BTC [+]	[09:05]
BingoBoingo	I think I said this yesterday, but even the hardest core bitcoiners will still burn fiat for toothpaste instead of BTC	[09:05]
BingoBoingo	BTC isn't consumer stuff	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo of course. grisham's law.	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	bad money driving the good into the storwe of value function	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	basically "btc is not a transactional currency" is a fancy way of saying "the usd is shit, so everyone'd rather spend that"	[09:06]
Vexual	and your avergae bc user prolly has a better about whats going on that your average dollar user	[09:07]
truff1es	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJEYeqXPhg	[09:07]
ozbot	Amaranthe - It's All About Me (Rain) [ALBUM QUALITY] with lyrics - YouTube	[09:07]
Vexual	a dumb statistic, but worth noting	[09:07]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	You know what, I analyzed this article but i actually applied critical thinking this time..initially, I didn't. It really is a bunch of bullshit. None of the points were backed by good examples.	[09:08]
Vexual	if you want to really dumb it down, look at early adopters and the skillset and motivation	[09:08]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	I actually can't cite anything else from the article.	[09:08]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	It really is propaganda.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[09:08]
Vexual	thats why hes only worked there for 3 weeks	[09:08]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	i had to read it 3 times.	[09:08]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	its like..i read these rags, but my emotions get tied up because i have an investment in it..and admittedly i let it get the best of me.	[09:09]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Welcome to Business Insider, the Buzzfeed of financial reporting	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	it's how they're designed to work.	[09:09]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Critical thinking is hard to weild when your emotions are part of the equation.	[09:09]
Vexual	elvis said you can ignore space and time, don't mean you have to	[09:09]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Use vodka to blunt the emotions. What could go wrong?	[09:10]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	wow, thanks guys i actually feel enlightened.	[09:10]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	i've tried to tear this thing apart..i can't.	[09:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00090421 = 12.885 BTC [-]	[09:10]
truff1es	u care too much KRS, go drink it off ldo	[09:10]
Vexual	what type of investment do you think you have krs?	[09:11]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	all else aside, i think we all have the investment of time. and that in itself is most valuable. (C) 2013.	[09:11]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	lol ya my drinking days were left behind in college..wouldn't mind sparking up some fine herb though..pass the j	[09:12]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWUnuB6quc	[09:14]
ozbot	Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube	[09:14]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	BingoBoingo: Business Insider a well known rag?	[09:15]
Vexual	kinda	[09:15]
Vexual	and thusly not ashamed to throw some muppet under a bus	[09:15]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	guilty	[09:15]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Business Insider is actually rather new. They made the decision to be glossy toilet paper from the start though.	[09:15]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	hehe	[09:16]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	now i know	[09:16]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	kind of disappointed in myself for not using critical thinking	[09:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00283 = 0.1358 BTC [-]	[09:16]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	gotta work on that	[09:16]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: It is like upworthy or any other non-content enterprise. Business Insider sells titles to get links.	[09:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8835 @ 0.00012 = 1.0602 BTC [+]	[09:17]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	shame..curious, what would be a good publication? i like to read the marketplace in wsj	[09:18]
Vexual	i buy fortune if i want to look flashy on the plane	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	theuy all kinda went to shit	[09:18]
Vexual	the format covers a penthouse	[09:18]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	npr has a business section, i know its radio but everything is available on the website	[09:19]
truff1es	washington journal got bought by whatshisface	[09:19]
Vexual	people still read time	[09:19]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: For Bitcoin to the best of my knowledge reputable sources consist of Trilema, The Genesis Block, and thedrinkingrecord.com	[09:20]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	BingoBoingo thanks I'll check those out.	[09:20]
Vexual	i read afr in black and white sometimes, but i need a big pinch of salt, some dos guanos and a lime	[09:22]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	afr?	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.0009018 = 12.131 BTC [-] {3}	[09:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	honestly..there's nothing like a brand new PENTHOUSE	[09:23]
Vexual	aussie financial rag	[09:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	ah	[09:23]
Vexual	why do they put penthouse in airports?	[09:23]
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KRS\|Gotyawallet	Hahaaha	[09:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	remember CLUB, HUSTLER	[09:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	my favs	[09:23]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n-Xua%2BY0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg	[09:25]
Vexual	yeah, we get it	[09:25]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	sorry didnt mean to make you uncomfortable there vexual	[09:28]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYAAsHT4QE	[09:28]
ozbot	Bob Marley Three little birds (Original) - YouTube	[09:28]
Vexual	fuck no, i hop on the plane open that shit and let murphys law sit a tight little hottie next to me	[09:29]
BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Some people want to be in the mile high club, but the only willing partner they care to find is their hand	[09:29]
Vexual	toast lands butter down so i vegemite the floor	[09:29]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	haha	[09:29]
Vexual	no problemas	[09:30]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0	[09:32]
ozbot	Wax Rosana Official Music Video - YouTube	[09:32]
Vexual	dos guanos gringo	[09:34]
Vexual	stones no longer safe on earth	[09:35]
Vexual	olo	[09:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090169 = 7.484 BTC [-]	[09:37]
Vexual	let me run it thru orb	[09:37]
Vexual	nothing	[09:40]
Vexual	smarthouse my arse	[09:42]
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Vexual	yes i have an autistic computer	[09:45]
Vexual	invented before the internet	[09:46]
Vexual	fuck you google labs	[09:47]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: I am impressed. I merely have pre-web computers. Nothing pre Internet though	[09:47]
Vexual	wait, when did the internet start?	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	1960s	[09:50]
Vexual	in any case i chucked that first machine learning package whos name i forget out 20 yearsa ago	[09:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13194 @ 0.00089985 = 11.8726 BTC [-] {2}	[09:51]
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BingoBoingo	1969 or 1981 depending on which networks whould be counted as Internet proper and not that Goofy intelligence leak the Air Force ran	[09:51]
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Vexual	was ip just a joke for plebs?	[09:52]
Vexual	they dont use ip on subs	[09:52]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Subs have IP	[09:52]
Vexual	yeah?	[09:52]
Vexual	just more wires?	[09:53]
Vexual	were talking internet protocol here right?	[09:53]
BingoBoingo	I'm inclined to take 1981 as the birth of the capital "I" internet though the technologies have been brewing longer. It is when shit went public.	[09:53]
bounce	usenet.	[09:54]
BingoBoingo	Vexual, between my Vodka and your bathsalts it is hard to tell what is being discussed	[09:54]
Vexual	lol	[09:54]
Vexual	i appreciate the macfee	[09:54]
Vexual	ip is excellent for the world	[09:55]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Scheier and other government agents are dangers to freedom, but so are people tripping balls 24/7 like McAfee	[09:56]
Vexual	yeah well at least hes in control of his own shit	[09:57]
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Vexual	gaza would look a lot different without the mossy e	[09:58]
Vexual	v&	[09:58]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM	[10:02]
ozbot	Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube	[10:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00282544 = 1.3449 BTC [-] {12}	[10:02]
Vexual	whats better than a double edged sword?	[10:02]
Vexual	ask mcafee hess say a double barrelled shotgun	[10:06]
Vexual	ask the isralei girl who just turned 22	[10:07]
Vexual	she dont want no close quarters comabat	[10:08]
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Vexual	she will say 2 tickets to goa	[10:08]
Vexual	the american homeboy in prison might say 2 months in the hole	[10:10]
BingoBoingo	Vexual? What if you need to cause injury to three people though?	[10:10]
Vexual	well if you're asking mossad, theyll say a tripple shot fucking long range missile with a 509 metre kill radius	[10:11]
Vexual	that shit doesnt need a camera, good intel, set, forget	[10:14]
Vexual	id say a triple edged sword	[10:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC	[10:17]
Vexual	and ballet lessons	[10:21]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flle3hJm2yk	[10:26]
ozbot	Peter Chung - Loaded Promo - YouTube	[10:26]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ih1SHVkq94	[10:26]
ozbot	Umami - Sunny - YouTube	[10:26]
Vexual	ill dumb it down so more vodka makes it clearer	[10:32]
Vexual	self relieance and freedom are the themes	[10:32]
Vexual	both of which arent true	[10:32]
Vexual	but the trader has both	[10:33]
Vexual	and they are inalaible	[10:33]
Vexual	futhermore, in the words of australias great irish hero:	[10:34]
Vexual	such is life	[10:34]
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mircea_popescu	so today i learned that while in romania you pay 350 euros a month to rent a property worth 70k, in the us you miostly pay 700 dollars a month to rent a property worth 30k	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	you people are getting gypped over there big time.	[19:46]
Duffer1	we know :(	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	but i mean... 4.5x ? come on. it's real estate not nuclear physics.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	10, 15, 17% more i can see. 450% ?!	[19:47]
pankkake	I doubt prices are the same in the whole US	[19:47]
Duffer1	there are too many reasons that compound the issue	[19:47]
pankkake	if you want to laugh, come to Paris	[19:47]
mike_c	i've been renting for 15 years and have not found that to be true.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake this was spurred by a guy's data re central ohio. meanwhile i had intel check it out	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	it is eerilie universal to the us, yes.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	just property values vary.	[19:48]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c california and ny stand out as exceptions	[19:48]
Duffer1	far higher than normal right?	[19:48]
Duffer1	"normal"	[19:48]
mike_c	well, if it is true in the midwest, it is likely related to the fact that nobody can get a mortgage anymore in the us.	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 exaggerate to hell property values, which make rents a smaller proportion but also exaggerated to all hell.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	hardly a "fix"	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no, it's really the baseline that's hidden from you because in california rents are what, 1300 minimum	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	so that scrunches up the curve.	[19:49]
mike_c	hah. 1300 would be awesome. i paid 2100 in CA.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	you're still being taxed 50k for the priviledge of existing, it just shows up less in the %s	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	mike_c minimum, ya know ?	[19:50]
pankkake	is housing out of official inflation statistics?	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	pankkake obviously.	[19:50]
mike_c	whatever is inflating is removed from the inflation statistics.	[19:51]
Duffer1	hehe	[19:51]
peterL	yeah, housing and food are not included in CPI calculations, IIRC	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	i had not previously realised the us is on such a weak footing, tbh. i mean i had a general notion, but i never cared enough to examine the real estate situation.	[19:51]
pankkake	food isn't either? lol	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	not to mention you idiots - as there's no better name - still don't use torrens.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	what in the actual fuck, is it 1785 in the us ?	[19:52]
Duffer1	torrents?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[19:52]
pankkake	that's the two things that indeed have inflated big time in the last years	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 torrens is a title registration system	[19:52]
peterL	what's torrens?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	which makes it quite feasible for me to buy up real estate personally	[19:52]
Duffer1	never heard of it	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	rather than having to hire some "experts"	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	to fucking fleece me.	[19:52]
mike_c	please. having to hire a lawyer, real estate agent, title company, escrow agent, etc, etc. is totally reasonable!	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[19:53]
peterL	MP, I currently rent a house for about twice it would take to buy it with a mortgage, but because of my credit I cannot get a morgage to buy a house.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	i never used ANYONE. not a real estate agent, title company or escrow. ever.	[19:53]
Duffer1	wouldn't matter even if we did use such a system, housing as you pointed out is is obscenely expensive	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	all i used was a half hour of notary public time, cost me ~35	[19:53]
Duffer1	add to that the 35year olds and under have less than zero wealth	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 it's only obscenely expensive BECAUSE of such restrictions	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	peterL yeah well, how much you paying and what's it worth ?	[19:54]
Duffer1	those agents take their fees on top of list price	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	i never hired one.	[19:55]
Duffer1	remove them and list price is still the same	[19:55]
peterL	I have not estimated exactly what a mortgage would cost for a while, but it is $1000 rent, house is maybe $90000	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	think, millionaire in the 3rd world, never used as much as a real estate agent.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	peterL you're not getting gypped quite as bad as the average.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	which, incidentally, is one of the deep causes of us real estate bubbles, i am coming to realise.	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.0601 = 0.2404 BTC [-]	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	it's not loose money policies that cause those, and loose money policies don't cause them in the eu.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	it's the ingrained notion learned through experience by all us inhabitants that the more you pay the less you're gouged	[19:56]
peterL	My previous house sold for about $30000 and is renting for $900 a month	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	which is wrong, but they look at the percents.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	on top of that, loose money bubbles the real estate. because they'd rather be the guy paying 1k for a 90k property	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	than the guy paying 700 for the 30k property.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	obviously it's easier to inflate than to improve.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	peterL EXACTLY.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	quite frankly, i can not see how anyone'd put up with this arrangement.	[19:59]
peterL	let me guess, you were investigating "rentalStarter"?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	peterL it started there.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	why, you know something i don't ?	[19:59]
peterL	care to share your thoughts on the business?	[19:59]
Duffer1	land owners charge what they can, citizens with zero savings pay what they have to	[19:59]
Duffer1	rent goes up	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	the judgement of the business pivots on the judgement of the guy, as it's tghat small. he seems clever and dilligent but how do you ever know.	[20:00]
peterL	he should have listed on MPEX instead of BitFunder?	[20:01]
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mike_c	it's turning btc into housing. i don't see how that will work out.	[20:01]
mike_c	it is a btc divestment.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	mike_c well, it's going long fiat. there are situations where one'd want that.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	take the x.eur, roughly same on that score.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	you obviously wouldn't think of buying the thing otherwise than "buying an us future with a built in interest rate"	[20:02]
pankkake	it allows small real estate investments, where they are usually quite complicated (and taxed)	[20:02]
pankkake	and tradeable	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that's the only reason this may make sense, the guy seems to know the situation on the ground	[20:02]
peterL	If you expect bitcoin to stabilize, then it could be a good way to invest in real estate.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	or it could be a good way to run from btc if you consider it drops.	[20:03]
pankkake	I'm already invested in real estate, and I feel like I'm sitting on a bubble :D	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	just, not the usual "it's been 5 days, any updates ?" sort of "investing"	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	this requires more long term thinking.	[20:04]
peterL	OK, who wants to help me buy a house and I will pay rent in bitcoins?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	pankkake unless there's a war, $30k detached housing in ohio CAN NOT be a bubble.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	my mind farts when i consider this	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	a car costs more for fuck's sake.	[20:04]
pankkake	I'm not confortable investing in real estate where I don't know the market, too	[20:04]
mike_c	it will also never be worth much more.	[20:04]
mike_c	so, income stream, ok. good luck outpacing btc appreciation.	[20:05]
pankkake	but would you put 100% of your savings in bitcoin?	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	possibly not. who's to know ?	[20:05]
peterL	You want to see how low it can go, Detroit is not far from Ohio	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	peterL afaik ohio does not have the monoindustry problem	[20:05]
mike_c	hah. good point. they will pay you to take housing in detroit.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	but obviously, before buying in one'd have to very seriously consider awhole host of things.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	which is what investing is.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you know, california is going detroit before ohio is.	[20:06]
mike_c	yes. you have to start higher to crash that low.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ohio has flyover zone immunity. california has nothing, hollywood's dead and sillicon valley is losing it.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	all it can come up with these days is a very thin sliver at the very top and a very wide base of ycombinator retards.	[20:07]
mike_c	and ycombinator is the thin silver on top of the 1000 yc copycats.	[20:07]
pankkake	it's the 2000s all over again	[20:08]
peterL	At least California has better weather than Ohio or Detroit	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	mike_c and they got nothing, all they have is css devels.	[20:08]
Duffer1	googling "torrens" in the u.s. gives nude photo results >.<	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	they're gonna revolutionize the way people do rounded corners.	[20:09]
pankkake	california has sluts / porn right?	[20:09]
peterL	MPEX say "CSS? What's that?"	[20:09]
pankkake	but it's mobile-first responsive css!	[20:09]
mike_c	that bubble has already started popping though. the "series A crunch" is the term for the million crappy startups that are dying.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	;;google torrens title	[20:10]
gribble	Torrens title - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Torrens Title System - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary: ; Torrens title register - Land and Property Information:	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c ikr	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7000 @ 0.001 = 7 BTC	[20:10]
Duffer1	https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qIe0UrHLOMTmoATk4oHQBQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1011&bih=657	[20:10]
Duffer1	nsfw	[20:10]
pankkake	at my ex-ex job I really wondered how all our stupid clients got their funding	[20:10]
pankkake	they all basically wanted to be the facebook-twitter of SOMETHING	[20:10]
pankkake	they had the most overcssed websites	[20:11]
pankkake	webpages that would belong in a magazine, not a browser	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	pankkake "useless stupid unwanted money that nobody knows what to do with"	[20:11]
pankkake	and no business plan obviously	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	to quote the sitll living classics.	[20:11]
pankkake	would be better invested in hookers and blow	[20:12]
Duffer1	or a one way plane ticket	[20:13]
the20year	I don't understand it either pankkake	[20:13]
the20year	They all want to rehash the same exact stuff, and yet they somehow get millions of dollars of funding	[20:14]
the20year	When I have a valid idea, one that's already profitable, and i'm having so much time	[20:14]
pankkake	I guess simple yet profitable ideas are not appealing to bored old men with too much money	[20:14]
the20year	Problem in Ohio is no one wants to develop rental property since it's a get rich slow scheme. Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase	[20:15]
the20year	Michigan doesn't have a monoindustry problem , Detroit has one though	[20:17]
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nubbins`	hi	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	the20year is what i meant.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	i don't imagine they were talking michigan when saying detroit.	[20:18]
the20year	Real estate can be very, very localized when talking about problems. I could give you a dozen markets in Michigan I'd love to be in	[20:18]
peterL	mircea_popescue: would MPEx list something like RentalStarter, or is that too removed from bitcoin investing?	[20:18]
pankkake	I hope what I did with my appartment - making it not look like moldy ass - will get it some price boost	[20:18]
the20year	and a dozen here in Ohio I don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	peterL it might, depending. contrary to what forum muppets think mpex is quite open	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	if you got a business and a plan you got a shot.	[20:19]
peterL	oops, mircea_popescu, sorry, I always want to put an e on the end of your name :(	[20:19]
nubbins`	ah, the joys of home ownership	[20:19]
pankkake	eheh. I hope one day I'll be worthy of MPEx	[20:19]
nubbins`	i just spent $275 on a new circulating valve for our tenant's furnace	[20:19]
pankkake	first step would be get my hand out of my ass	[20:19]
the20year	I can buy a new furnace for $550 :D	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090673 = 4.987 BTC [-] {2}	[20:20]
the20year	The one thign that helps us out on the upkeep is that we go through the house on purchase and essentially rebuild the whole thing	[20:20]
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nubbins`	yeah	[20:24]
nubbins`	often gutting is the best option long-term	[20:24]
nubbins`	this pump that failed was an old pump that they re-used when the new furnace was put in	[20:25]
the20year	We don't completely gut , but anything that's close to its end of effective lifespan gets replaced	[20:25]
nubbins`	lasted all of 3 years	[20:25]
the20year	how old is hte furnace?	[20:25]
nubbins`	yeah	[20:25]
nubbins`	the furnace itself is maybe 4 years old	[20:25]
the20year	Oh wow	[20:25]
nubbins`	yeah	[20:25]
the20year	one option that I considered, but it just didn't work out for us was to buy a home warranty	[20:25]
nubbins`	just too costly to upgrade to electric heat	[20:25]
the20year	are you on gas?	[20:26]
nubbins`	oil	[20:26]
the20year	Ah, oil is by far the worst of the worst	[20:26]
the20year	highest efficientcy is 80% on a furnace, most are 60%-70%	[20:26]
nubbins`	nod. this one is actually a hot water circulating furnace	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase << i know a guy that blew up a fortune trying and failing at that.	[20:27]
nubbins`	more of an ebb-and-flow than an instant-heat sort of system	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	it's a fucking movie script of a story	[20:27]
the20year	i'm not too familiar with all the types of oil ones	[20:27]
the20year	mircea_popescu: plenty fail	[20:27]
the20year	The saying when I got into real estate was "Make money in wheelbarrow fulls, loose money in dumptruckfulls"	[20:28]
nubbins`	the20year: basically it's a standard oil furnace, but instead of heating air and pumping it through vents, it heats a large water reservoir that is then circulated throughout the house to radiators	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	and the us does niot have an inflation problem	[20:28]
the20year	Even worse	[20:28]
the20year	I've seen one radiant water heater manage to destroy about $15,000 worth of flooring	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's how most europe is heated, except natural gas not oil.	[20:28]
the20year	natural gas in the US is very, very efficient and cheap	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	the20year wall attachments are standard.	[20:28]
nubbins`	it's not a bad system, because you retain the heat after the furnace stops firing	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	and the bathroom heated towel rack.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	the20year same all over the world.	[20:29]
the20year	Yeah, but the water part is the problem. Using a high flash point oil is much better	[20:29]
the20year	I pay about $80/mo in the winter to heat my home	[20:29]
nubbins`	and the cold water going to the water boiler for the faucets/shower gets pre-warmed by the waste heat from the furnace, so that helps	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	about the same here.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	you know, amusingly, most us folk i know think romania is a sort of ohio.	[20:29]
nubbins`	but oil is just expensive. no sweat to drop $450+ a month in the winter	[20:29]
the20year	Yeah	[20:29]
the20year	I'd much, much rather be on wood than oilk	[20:30]
nubbins`	yeah	[20:30]
nubbins`	i'd fucking LOVE a wood stove	[20:30]
nubbins`	but downtown st john's is all 100-year old wooden row houses	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	last i checked wood here was ~$22 a stere meter.	[20:30]
the20year	how so mircea_popescu? The Ohioans I know that have been there said it was nothing like Ohio in terms of society or economy......maybe the land is similar	[20:30]
nubbins`	and as much as i'd love wood, i'd love to continue having home insurance even more	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	the20year climate :)	[20:30]
the20year	Growing up we always got wood for free	[20:30]
the20year	Climate I'm sure is similar	[20:30]
the20year	Past 6 years has had mild winters, but this winter has been the worst in 20 years	[20:31]
the20year	and we're not to the 'real winter' part of it	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	romania had that last yearl ol.	[20:31]
nubbins`	$80/mo is fucking great to heat a home	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	lemme dig some picks	[20:31]
nubbins`	what size are we talking here?	[20:31]
the20year	Sure it is nubbins`	[20:31]
the20year	1100sf	[20:31]
nubbins`	ah	[20:31]
the20year	@ 70f winterlong	[20:31]
the20year	if we pulled it back to 65 or so i bet we could do it for $50/mo	[20:32]
nubbins`	this place is around 1600sqft, split over 4 levels. average elec bill is $230/mo	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/	[20:32]
ozbot	A nins ? A nins pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	there we go.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	;;google 1600 sqft in sane units of measurement.	[20:32]
gribble	Metric 4 US - Why Metric is the Better System: ; Units: S - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: ; Millennium Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[20:32]
nubbins`	that's heat, appliances	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	sigh. no ai yet, eh google ?	[20:33]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: consider that canada is ostensibly metric and i don't know the square metrage of my house	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	~150.	[20:33]
the20year	who's the naked lady?	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda crampy. i have a 220 sq m ground + 170 2nd floor here.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	the20year my dog.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	well, was. moved on, got married.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	i guess now she's someone's mom.	[20:34]
nubbins`	yeah, i can spit from wall to wall here	[20:34]
nubbins`	it's nice for shared living tho, sound doesn't travel well between floors	[20:35]
the20year	So are you located in romania mircea_popescu?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` also keeps people well exercised, with all the floors	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the20year atm yeah	[20:36]
asciilifeform	i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m.	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8354 @ 0.00090613 = 7.5698 BTC [-]	[20:37]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nod, the "studio" is split between the 3rd floor and the basement. sometimes finding your pencil is a workout	[20:39]
nubbins`	the20year: are you the guy from the forums who was looking into buying rental properties in halifax?	[20:39]
nubbins`	or was that someone else	[20:39]
the20year	not me	[20:39]
nubbins`	okay, i think he was doing similar to you but in canada	[20:40]
the20year	once i released info on what i wanted to do, like 20 people copied it	[20:41]
the20year	Another guy in Ohio, one in Detroit, one in alberta, one in NS , one in scottland	[20:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02245589 = 2.2456 BTC [+] {3}	[20:48]
pankkake	asciilifeform: 32m² here too. though I have a big ass cellar	[20:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2594 @ 0.00012 = 0.3113 BTC [+] {2}	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wow, that's russian style.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	the20year i wouldn't be too worried about that if i were you.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	pankkake fun fact : the one room, high 20s to low 30s sqm thing is called "garsoniera" in romania, comes from garcon.	[20:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29486997 = 2.0641 BTC [+] {3}	[20:52]
asciilifeform	u.s.ian analogue 'man cave' ?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	i guess so	[20:52]
the20year	i'm not worried since i was the first one in	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	it has no derrogatory nuance here tho	[20:52]
pankkake	well we have the garçonnière. the place where married men fuck other women	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	the20year copycats have this magical way to a) fail and b) do all the expensive dangerous research for you.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so that'd be a filletiere.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	pronounced filthy-'ere	[20:53]
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*	jurov lives in garconniere, too :D	[20:54]
jurov	it's named so there as well	[20:54]
pankkake	"imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"	[20:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	i now wonder what the french word for the place where married men fuck other men would be.	[20:56]
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pankkake	folletière	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	monsieuriere	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	hahaha i like monsieuriere	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	that's where catholic priests fuck your children.	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	fellatiere	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	its got fella and fellate	[20:59]
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ThickAsThieves	cant beat that	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	gentlemen, i am glad we've assembled such a crack team of creative linguists on this venue.	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	its better than the sexting word they made	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	by the way, has the "hate speech" crowd managed to make crack a hurtful reference in gay contexts yet ?	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	textopornographie	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like an Extreme album	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	TPG!	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	tghe french invented this initialism bs which then the us army/govt copied	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	as they've copied all the bad ideas the french ever had since about 1905	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	1805*	[21:00]
jurov	merde!	[21:01]
pankkake	initialism is mostly our administration	[21:01]
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the20year	who?	[21:01]
pankkake	where they invent stuff that must have a good initialism. like EDVIGE (sounds like Edwige the female name) for the police spy file	[21:02]
pankkake	"Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l'information générale" basically means "Data Stuff"	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	it basically means "word soup"	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	and how is edvige a "good" anything. it fails to be an obscure female name.	[21:04]
truffles	what kinda frenchman takes it from a Romanian !	[21:04]
pankkake	EDVIGE is arguably better than SRTRKRTS because you can pronounce it	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	you can pronounce the latter "skirts"	[21:06]
pankkake	after all, people manage to pronounce SCSI…	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	which sounds a lot like the romanian "scirt," which means "big whoop" which as stephen fry would put it, works.	[21:07]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: ah, those are called bachelor pads here	[21:07]
nubbins`	re: tiny homes	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	i thought re catholic priests.	[21:07]
the20year	One of my biz associates said there's a few RE investment firms looking to expand and want to talk to me	[21:07]
nubbins`	heh	[21:07]
the20year	They're all in limited geographic areas and don't want to branch out, which is one of the problems i'm trying to mitigate early on	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	so that;s good.	[21:08]
the20year	Yep	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	.d	[21:11]
ozbot	908350862.43702 \| Next Diff in 90 blocks \| Estimated Change: 31.0535% in 0d 10h 13m 39s	[21:11]
the20year	ouch	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	nothing can save it nao.	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2119 @ 0.00012 = 0.2543 BTC [+]	[21:12]
pankkake	probably santa mining with the gifts	[21:12]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	see the mtgox press release dec 19?	[21:12]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	Now that we are working with MoneyPolo, a leading financial company that is in-tune with the future of Bitcoin, anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies.	[21:13]
the20year	no?	[21:13]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html	[21:13]
ozbot	Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange	[21:13]
the20year	wow	[21:13]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	yeh	[21:13]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	...then they're like BAM!	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	send money TO wasnt ever a problem	[21:13]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	oh it was getting it out	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	and moneypolo is "leading" in the very limited universe in which mtgox also matters.	[21:14]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	well...mt gox isn't designed like that. Between bad trades, fees are supposed to eat up your moneies anyway so getting fiat out isnt a problem.	[21:14]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	I would think it should work both ways though.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	same universe that 'dwolla' existed in?	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	dwolla is about a degree of magnitude larger	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	sure, it's a tiny start-up, but still.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	(i still can't read 'dwolla' without thinking of nigerian spam. must be the consonant cluster.)	[21:15]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	A: Withdrawals are coming with MoneyPolo, but not just yet.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	KRS\|Gotyawallet :p	[21:15]
the20year	is moneypolo licensed in the US/	[21:15]
nubbins`	probably santa mining with the gifts <<< lel, isn't that bad for his chi?	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	if you've learned anything in this chan, it's reading betwixt the lines	[21:15]
pankkake	"we need to replete our fractionnal reserve first"	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think they named it african-sounding deliberately because sexually insecure california white hipster doofuses.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	either that or someone got stuck on wala-wala.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	(a small town hipster retreat close to seattle)	[21:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 40661 @ 0.001 = 40.661 BTC	[21:19]
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ThickAsThieves	neobee shareholders are surprisingly good at signing wallet messages	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	and there is definitely a correlation to qty of shares held	[21:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC	[21:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00090757 = 6.4955 BTC [+]	[21:39]
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benkay	what's alt-hopping pool of auto-cashing-out-in-btc repute?	[21:42]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	mining different alt coins to capitalize on their value in hopes of trading up to more btc than otherwise would be mined directly?	[21:44]
KRS\|Gotyawallet	i can quickly point my asics to mine different alt coins based on their profitability and go back if need be..auto cash out at preset levels	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	benkay i don't think one exists, tho there'd make defionite sense	[21:47]
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TomServo	middlecoin?	[21:47]
benkay	that's it.	[21:47]
benkay	thanks TomServo.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	one coin to rule them all or how did it go	[21:48]
TomServo	been going crazy lately	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	tbh i thought middlecoin was a coin not a pool	[21:50]
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TomServo	nope	[21:50]
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TomServo	I read somewhere earlier today the operator is doing something like $6K daily on 3%, if I remember correctly	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	there's a pool charging 3% which actually gets hash ?! wow.	[21:52]
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TomServo	paid out 3208.42671599 BTC so far	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	pretty smart thing, anyway.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	who's the guy ?	[21:53]
TomServo	h2odysee or something like that?	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	myeah. ok, this is an example of starting up right. joined in may 2013, by july he had a useful service.	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	kudos to him.	[21:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.001 = 0.203 BTC	[21:55]
TomServo	agreed. Definitely some secret sauce involved, choosing whichever alt is the best at the time	[21:56]
TomServo	folks claim he made a killing on doge, but won't admit it	[21:56]
TomServo	hah	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	folks like to think their stupidity is what makes the world turn.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	and won't face any alternative explanation.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if his stats are accurate 3k paid out means he made 100 btc.	[21:57]
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mircea_popescu	6k a day, but for two weeks.	[21:58]
TomServo	Yes, the 6k is a very recent thing	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	more like 500 a day irl, not that such a thing is bad	[21:58]
TomServo	You see the graph?	[21:58]
TomServo	middlecoin.com	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	just forcing the point that "6k one day" != "6k a day"	[21:59]
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TomServo	a fair point, I wasn't intending to misconstrue	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of the good days of porn	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	cca 1995 or so	[22:01]
the20year	For webmasters or what?	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	for "guy starts service, 3 months later he's making 500 a day"	[22:01]
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mircea_popescu	just out of nowhere, like that. basically electricity is about as ubiquitous as cunt, and i guess crypto is electricity porn	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	weird how geek tastes change.	[22:03]
FabianB_	"anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies." <-- 128 currencies? I only see 4 countries moneypolo operates in, how could that be 128 currencies?	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ max halfshortint ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	aka mtgox-pr	[22:04]
FabianB_	guess so	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00091096 = 34.4343 BTC [+] {4}	[22:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7750 @ 0.00012 = 0.93 BTC [+]	[22:32]
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jcpham	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tcgox/my_first_month_of_bitcoin_the_good_the_bad_and/	[23:03]
jcpham	1 month pro	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/12/canada-lifts-all-restrictions-prostitution-2013122015318412319.html	[23:04]
ozbot	Canada lifts all restrictions on prostitution - Americas - Al Jazeera English	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	Nubbins can work in peace now!	[23:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.04878997 = 1.3173 BTC [+]	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	lolwut?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	canada is starting to sound pretty ocol.	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	"Only day trade with what you are willing to lose completely."	[23:08]
ThickAsThieves	pretty horrible day trading	[23:08]
jcpham	there's much wrong there	[23:11]
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asciilifeform	children - like playing with matches. news at 11...	[23:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00090592 = 11.2552 BTC [-]	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	only eat what you are willing to shit completely	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:18]
asciilifeform	no	[23:18]
asciilifeform	in this case,	[23:18]
asciilifeform	'only shit what you are willing to then eat.'	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	mor like only shit what you've completely eaten, uyeah	[23:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.04878997 = 3.5617 BTC [-]	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02021217 = 2.0212 BTC [-] {9}	[23:31]
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ThickAsThieves	Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal also weighed in: "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended."	[23:34]
ThickAsThieves	http://gawker.com/what-is-duck-dynasty-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-a-1486356857	[23:34]
ozbot	What Is Duck Dynasty and What Does It Have to Do With a Man's Anus?	[23:34]
Duffer1	i only knew about it from all the damned facebook spam "ZOMG ITS AND OUTRAGE LIBRUL MEDIA INTELIGENTSIA!!!!1111111"	[23:36]
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mircea_popescu	it's the perfect storm for the us, really.	[23:37]
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mircea_popescu	top rated show star gets canned for "hate speech" while quoting the bible.	[23:37]
Duffer1	i die a little inside every day :/	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	it's finally worked itself into the perfect storm, this deep seething conflict.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	a perfect illustration of the incredible damage lincoln's imbecillity did to that country.	[23:39]
the20year	what imbecillity?	[23:39]
Duffer1	after the civil war we should have just let the south separate	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	if the slavery question were allowed to die out rather than used as a pretext for a war, you wouldn't still be fighting over the mason-dixon line in 2013 ffs.	[23:39]
the20year	certainly would have been a very interesting situation	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	it's my considered opinion that if you make the sorted list of people that have hurt the us, lincoln tops it	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	bush may be in the top 5, but lincoln tops it.	[23:40]
TomServo	Can we hear all 5?	[23:41]
the20year	It can be hard to speculate how different things would be if we could swap decisions out	[23:41]
Duffer1	the harm done by lincoln was necessary imo, even if slavery was one of many reasons for the war, emancipation still needed to occur	[23:41]
TomServo	Yeah, I'm having trouble imagining how the question would 'die out'	[23:41]
the20year	There could of potentially been a slow transition	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	TomServo roosevelt probably not in there, as shocking as that may seem. hoover for sure tho.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 emancipation was occuring anyway.	[23:42]
the20year	how do you rate hoover over FDR?	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	hardly half the inheritors of slaves intended to keep them past the death of their parents.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	the20year that's a huge discussion tbh	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	TomServo because slavery was fundamentally an economic interest, and it is economically ineffectual. it WAS already dieing out at the time of the war	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	however, it was dieing out in a sustainable way, rather than creating the black ghettos that the war created.	[23:44]
Duffer1	even if they didn't intend to keep them, southern laws forbade their existence outside of any context that didn't revolve around a white master	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 slavery laws in the south were evolving, like any body of laws.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	if you look at their evolution, the thing was doomed anwyay.	[23:44]
the20year	And slavery today isn't very popular at all , outside of sexual slavery which is a whole other ballgame	[23:45]
Duffer1	slavery laws weren't modernized until the 50's and 60s, i believe you're underestimating southern racism	[23:45]
the20year	And it's not like slavery was only existant in the US, as with anything ,money drives the gears	[23:45]
the20year	Duffer1: do you live in the south?	[23:45]
Duffer1	i grew up in texas	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 souther racism as you know it today is wholly the creation of the war.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	it was entirely a different thing in 1820.	[23:46]
the20year	The thing is , of all the souterners i Know , none really were racist, but i've known plenty of ohio natives that were extremely racist. Heck my great uncle was in the KKK	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	in fact, pre-war southern racism is closest to modern day view on criminality.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	you could argue that the way criminals are handled today is chiefly designed to keep them criminals	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, people don't generally intend this.	[23:47]
the20year	That's about right	[23:47]
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Duffer1	they do	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	but the southerner recognised an extremely varied and complex hierarchy. black = slave = chattel is about as oversimplified as one can get.	[23:48]
Duffer1	it's a for-profit prison system	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	so what's the gain of the war ? picked a different nigger to pile on ?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	criminals "just happen" to be mostly black anyway, hooray for progress.	[23:48]
the20year	I'm not aware of any gain	[23:48]
TomServo	how was it economically ineffectual?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	TomServo you get more gdp per capita out of 100 barristas trying to write hollywood scripts	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	than out of 100 field hands picking cotton.	[23:49]
the20year	Correct	[23:49]
Duffer1	the only gain from the war was emancipation, poverty was guaranteed regardless, except for those that left	[23:49]
the20year	Slaves were extremely ineffective at work, however a 'free' black was significantly more valuable	[23:49]
the20year	Look at price rates for irish vs germans vs blacks in new york state in the 1800s	[23:50]
TomServo	I knew I'd be displaying my ignorance asking that, ah well. Thanks.	[23:50]
the20year	It's a wonderful system we have here	[23:51]
the20year	While the rights of everyone gets trampled on over failed social projects	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 poverty was NOT guarantgeed regardless.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying famine in 1950s germany was guaranteed regardless.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	when you go bomb the shit out of the infrastructure the end result is you'll be poor.	[23:52]
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Duffer1	it was illegal for them to own anything	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	that varied.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the expression "sold down the river" ?	[23:52]
Duffer1	even if they stayed they were fully dependent	[23:52]
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mircea_popescu	Duffer1 ^	[23:53]
the20year	Not all of them	[23:54]
Duffer1	i've heard the expression	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	what do you think it means ?	[23:54]
Duffer1	sold to a harsher plantation owner	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	exactly. but looky : it is an act of betrayal, fundamentally.]	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	for there to be betrayal there must be trust. trust is the substance of contracts, which is exactly antithetical to how black-white relations are customarioly represented.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	it is in fact the way the whites of the time represented them to themselves, mostly.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	and now, the fact that upriver conditions are softer and downriver harser kind of proves that the situation is in fact evolving	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	rather than a set in stone thing.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	which is the whole of my argument really.	[23:57]
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Duffer1	i dunno, i feel it's a case of a little leaven fermenting the whole lump	[23:59]

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