Forum logs for 19 Oct 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [02:39] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi || a biased message: http://smpake.com || http://bit4x.com | [02:39] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Tue Oct 16 15:58:37 2012 | [02:39] |
kakobrekla | not any more | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | what's up folks! | [02:43] |
thestringpuller | you are back | [02:43] |
thestringpuller | missed you the past few days | [02:43] |
thestringpuller | jurov and i want to make pretty graphs for MPOE | [02:43] |
thestringpuller | can we :) | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | haah sure. | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't even know i was gone! | [02:48] |
thestringpuller | ive been reading your blog and taking metrics for my business project | [02:48] |
thestringpuller | you have good insight into things | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | o hey ty. | [02:49] |
copumpkin | lol, did Clipse run off too? | [02:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00045824 = 1.4205 BTC [-] | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | whoa ?! | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | when did 45 happen ? | [02:51] |
thestringpuller | today | [02:51] |
thestringpuller | jurov service has something to do with it | [02:51] |
thestringpuller | i made a call today and its slowly been going up | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.0004601 = 0.0483 BTC [+] | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00045738 = 22.0915 BTC [-] | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | let's simmer down for a moment. | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40163 @ 0.0004557 = 18.3023 BTC [-] | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00045383 = 6.989 BTC [-] | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00045326 = 14.3683 BTC [-] | [02:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32171 @ 0.00044274 = 14.2434 BTC [-] | [02:52] |
thestringpuller | lol | [02:52] |
thestringpuller | its a new high. reason to celebrate non? | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | dude, srsly, it's very nice to wake up, log in, and see you're worth 30k btc more now | [02:53] |
thestringpuller | reserve stock? | [02:54] |
thestringpuller | or is that the market valuation of mpoe? | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | .g trilema mpoe resultate septembrie | [02:55] |
markac | mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpoe-rezultate-septembrie-2012/ | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | im like 90% shareholder still. | [02:55] |
thestringpuller | wow you have a lot of stock reserved jaha | [02:55] |
thestringpuller | good for you mang | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | it's been making money all around, you should ask smickles about mpoe.etf history. | [02:56] |
thestringpuller | mpoe is worth almost 1m usd now? | [02:56] |
thestringpuller | 0.6M | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | originally my stock was offered in a ballot system (anyone could send money, fixed block would be allocated proportionally at the end of an interval) | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | he ran this glbse thing collecting investment and subscribing it in that programme | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | ended up with ~1.2 btc of stock for each .1 invested originally. | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | and no, mpoe is worth like 6mn now. | [02:57] |
thestringpuller | wow | [02:57] |
thestringpuller | congrats dude fo realz | [02:57] |
thestringpuller | a lot haters out there | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | course it doesn't actually have the mkt depth to liquidate for 6mn, and anyway the contract prevents me from selling more than half. | [02:57] |
thestringpuller | behind every successful person lies a pack of haters | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | so it's not really realisable as it is. but still nice. | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | what haters tho ? everyone's been very supportive since day one. | [02:58] |
thestringpuller | like the people who trash you on the forums like children | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | eh the forum | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | half o' those dunno what day it is. | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | qq real quick off topic sorta: why is s.dice illiquid atm? | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | is it because of the last dividend payment? | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker s.dice | [03:00] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00298094 / 0.0034 (1988753 shares, 5,928.36 BTC) | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | kinda weak huh. | [03:00] |
thestringpuller | yea | [03:00] |
thestringpuller | i was gonna try to market make | [03:00] |
thestringpuller | but whats the point... | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | somebody had a nice analysis thread in forum, do you have a link ? | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | maybe the thing lost money on bets ? | [03:00] |
thestringpuller | yea | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | o it did ?! | [03:00] |
thestringpuller | no i meant o saw the link | [03:01] |
thestringpuller | i* | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | a | [03:01] |
thestringpuller | sorru thumb typing on phone | [03:01] |
thestringpuller | typoes everywhere | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | anyway you need significant capital to mm that. it's a 400k-ish float object | [03:01] |
thestringpuller | yea | [03:01] |
thestringpuller | someone posted some numbers stating the roi on the sdice dividends is over a year | [03:02] |
thestringpuller | maybe 2 | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | what did it come to ? something like 5% ish ? | [03:02] |
thestringpuller | lemme see | [03:03] |
thestringpuller | its linkes to the ipo | [03:03] |
thestringpuller | linked* | [03:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/2Gyqt.png | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | ya seems to have retraced a little | [03:04] |
thestringpuller | foubd it | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | i think many people buy/sell based on the immediate dividends expectation | [03:04] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah | [03:05] |
Diablo-D3 | thats what pissed all the DMC shareholders off | [03:05] |
thestringpuller | 3200 btc investment in sdice is 27 btc a month in div | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | and since past few days it lost ~2k... i guess dividend doesn't look like much | [03:06] |
Diablo-D3 | they suddenly discovered DMC wasnt a scam and tried to get nefario to shut it down | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | so they're selling, taking a 15% loss on their capital investment to avoid a 3% unrealised gain | [03:06] |
thestringpuller | this guy out it at 118 month roi | [03:06] |
thestringpuller | put* | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller what's "118 month roi" mean ? | [03:06] |
thestringpuller | 118 month for full recoup on the initial investment | [03:07] |
Diablo-D3 | I assume 118 months to break even | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | that's such an insane metric. | [03:07] |
thestringpuller | what he said | [03:07] |
thestringpuller | i know | [03:07] |
thestringpuller | :/ | [03:07] |
Diablo-D3 | that metric doesnt make sense | [03:07] |
Diablo-D3 | because you still have the asset in the end | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | by this token, apple stock is like, "1978 month roi" | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | as if. | [03:07] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: man, apple is such bullshit | [03:07] |
thestringpuller | apple is predictable | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 bigger problem : do you think btc income will be as cheap in 12 months as it is today ? | [03:07] |
Diablo-D3 | its like what, $700 billion now? | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | look at the history. making a new btc used to cost <1 btc a year ago | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | now it's like 10 | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | next year it could even be 30-50 | [03:08] |
Diablo-D3 | they have lower $300 billion in assets, their brand is not worth the rest | [03:08] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: dude, I sold a large chunk of btc when we crossed $1 thinking it would never cross that | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 i know it's bullshit. i'd short it if i could guess when | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 i know what you're saying. | [03:08] |
Diablo-D3 | then a year later it went to $30 | [03:08] |
thestringpuller | shorting is a useful tool | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | many of the early people were "usd parity ?! ?! ??!?!?! ridiculous!!!!!" | [03:09] |
thestringpuller | but we know it will deflate over time | [03:09] |
thestringpuller | if people keep usong it | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller that is what makes btc generators so valuable. | [03:09] |
thestringpuller | miners hoard though | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | in 5 year's time (ie, 60 months) will you be willing to fight with the miners for a new 12 or 6 btc block ? | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | or will you just sit on your div-paying s.dice | [03:10] |
thestringpuller | heh | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | (which meanwhile floated up to reflect the new competition in aquiring btc) | [03:10] |
thestringpuller | thats like asking a guy would he rather go on a gold.expedition or get paid interest on a huge swiss bank account | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | that's the angle i see for sdice. there's this revenue stream in pure btc. there's others, but they are dwindling. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | well... | [03:11] |
thestringpuller | damn btc is so fucking cool | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | i hear you lol. | [03:11] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: I dunno though, I find it sad the normal stock market makes sense to me but bitcoin doesnt | [03:11] |
thestringpuller | microeconomics in a anarchoCapitalist society | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 i wouldn't go as far as to say it makes sense to me. | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | i get moments of clarity. | [03:12] |
Diablo-D3 | I dunno, I could make money on an average day if I was into that shit | [03:12] |
Diablo-D3 | also, if I had money to be into that shit :< | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | btc market forces are different no banks | [03:12] |
Diablo-D3 | thestringpuller: no | [03:12] |
Diablo-D3 | no volume | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | there is vplume | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | on mt gox at least | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | not.like nyse | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | but its more.money than most see in a lifetime | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 if you think in monetary mass terms then volume in btc IS HUGE. | [03:13] |
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mircea_popescu | that 5k s.dice traded this month ? sure, it's "just" 60k | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | however, it 's .25% OF ALL THE MONETARY MASS | [03:13] |
thestringpuller | which is hughe | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | find me a stock that trades 0.001% of the usd monetary mass irl. | [03:13] |
thestringpuller | LOL | [03:13] |
thestringpuller | maybe apple when they merge witb google and buy the nsa | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | so people have this bad reference of thinking in usd value. think M3% | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | if anyone here plays those rts games where there's like 8 or 100 players and king of the hill ? | [03:14] |
thestringpuller | heh | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | that's kinda what btc is really. we're all vieing for a 21mn btc hill. | [03:14] |
thestringpuller | but what if you cant buy spmething eoth btc | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | you can't buy anything with dst eiher | [03:15] |
thestringpuller | you have to dump.it to.fiay | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | .g dst | [03:15] |
markac | mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | pff | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | .g drepturi speciale de tragere | [03:16] |
thestringpuller | LOL | [03:16] |
markac | mircea_popescu: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drepturi_speciale_de_tragere | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | XDR | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | there. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights | [03:16] |
thestringpuller | if manufacturers start accepting btc.there will be no need to dump | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller nah. i need to fucking get my physical delivery futures already | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | that will be the end of it. | [03:17] |
thestringpuller | heh | [03:17] |
thestringpuller | i feel as tho btc wll be the free iternet currency and will have liquidity to other currencies | [03:17] |
thestringpuller | for the pjysical world | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | the internet-rl distinction is irrelevant from internet's pov. | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | it's like making a victorian society - "modern" society distinction cca 1880. | [03:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00043535 = 8.4893 BTC [-] | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | it makes sense from the past pov, but from the future wtf does this "modern" mean. o, not like you're used to ? heh. | [03:19] |
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thestringpuller | i have this awesome picture of the ecommerce clusterfuck | [03:20] |
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Diablo-D3 | I meant glbse | [03:20] |
thestringpuller | so maybe btc can replaxe ecommerce | [03:21] |
Diablo-D3 | btc volume, for what it is, is pretty big | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | too big, even. | [03:21] |
Diablo-D3 | its gigantic if you consider the fact we dont have an economy | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | ill feel a lot better about my options once mtgox volume permanently stabilizes under 10k a day | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | (esp if dollar value stays equal or > to today) | [03:21] |
thestringpuller | ecommerce cost about 7% per transaction at the end of the day | [03:21] |
Diablo-D3 | I assume you mean week average per day | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 i mean less than a day per month with over 10k | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller depends, some places its even 10 | [03:22] |
Diablo-D3 | monday and friday always have retard traffic | [03:22] |
Diablo-D3 | HURR IMMA DAY TRADERRRRRRR | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [03:22] |
thestringpuller | LOL | [03:22] |
thestringpuller | bdt | [03:22] |
thestringpuller | what a fkasco | [03:22] |
thestringpuller | we need more smart businesses | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | its so sad mtgox missed the change to be called derpox | [03:22] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: jesus christ | [03:23] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: how do you feel about bitinstant? | [03:23] |
Diablo-D3 | we'd have an influx of /b/tards and bronies | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller they're the ppl trying to get a card going, neh ? | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 o, and now we don't. | [03:23] |
Diablo-D3 | I'd like to believe we dont :< | [03:23] |
thestringpuller | yea they are | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 that's the problem with you :D | [03:24] |
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Diablo-D3 | sometimes I venture into other parts of the forum and dont like what I see | [03:24] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller hey, unless it somehow blows up in their face its a good thing i think | [03:24] |
Diablo-D3 | well | [03:24] |
Diablo-D3 | have you seen the bitinstant fee schedule? | [03:24] |
thestringpuller | hmm | [03:24] |
Diablo-D3 | its hueg | [03:24] |
thestringpuller | yea its.fucked up | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | i havent looked | [03:24] |
Diablo-D3 | so yeah, I think its legit and safe | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | i don't much use ccs | [03:24] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: ->paypal, 6% + paypal fees | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | 4% for cash deposit | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | so what exactly is their value proposition ? | [03:25] |
Diablo-D3 | they dont report you to the IRS. | [03:25] |
Diablo-D3 | or homeland security or whoever | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | ahahahaha | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | instant deposits into exhanges | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | riight. | [03:25] |
Diablo-D3 | well, they may REPORT you | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | cause nobody asked them so far | [03:25] |
Diablo-D3 | but thye dont know your name | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | you can have cash -> btc in 10.minutes | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller something lik that may be worth 10% | [03:26] |
thestringpuller | heh | [03:26] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah | [03:26] |
thestringpuller | ima do the oppositr | [03:26] |
Diablo-D3 | they're pretty fast at what they do | [03:26] |
thestringpuller | btc -> cash in 10 min | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller im sure that'd have value | [03:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 255 @ 0.00339997 = 0.867 BTC [+] | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | i hope so im launching closed beta this saturday | [03:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 545 @ 0.00339998 = 1.853 BTC [+] | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | whoop whoop | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | o srsly ? what currencies ? | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | usd for now. then euros | [03:28] |
thestringpuller | then whatever demand asks for | [03:28] |
thestringpuller | gonna use.moneygram/western union as the insts transaction | [03:29] |
thestringpuller | insta* | [03:29] |
Diablo-D3 | surprised they dont try a chinese version | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | i think dbordello does something like this currently. | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | via moneypak iirc | [03:29] |
thestringpuller | fastcash4bitcoins? | [03:29] |
thestringpuller | oh btcpak | [03:29] |
Diablo-D3 | I wish github would hurry up | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 you know i have a bunch of chinese people on mpex ? | [03:29] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: orly? | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | very intelligent crowd. | [03:30] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, chinese money men scare me | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | one dood was whining about having to keep move strings from cold to hot computer | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | then in the next email was o, wait, i figured it. i got a qr generator! now my phone can read it | [03:30] |
Diablo-D3 | _hah_ | [03:30] |
Diablo-D3 | thats an interesting way of solving the jew diamond problem | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | and this was like, 3 days after i explained gpg to him. understand, guy didn't even know linux existed on like, the 5th | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | then on the 9th was figuring qr on his own | [03:31] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: wtf! | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | i AM SERIOUS | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | dude, i have to explain things like ONCE, and in passing | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | i think they read my emails > 500 times each. | [03:31] |
thestringpuller | lol | [03:31] |
Diablo-D3 | this is where I say Ive been using linux for almost 15 years and have not looked back | [03:31] |
thestringpuller | i started on dos | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | the difference is shocking, they've all read the faq etc. | [03:31] |
Diablo-D3 | I started on dos too | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | dr dos! | [03:32] |
dub | pff younguns | [03:32] |
thestringpuller | brb mircea_popescu will you be around later? id love to pick your brain some more. your info is invaluable | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | dub twyms. | [03:32] |
Diablo-D3 | ms dos 2.11 on a 6mhz 8086, 640kb of memory after upgrade | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller possibly, yea. but if not... im on pretty much daily. | [03:32] |
Diablo-D3 | single floppy drive, no modem, no harddrive (which were like 20mb and the size of the computer, even came in matching case) | [03:32] |
thestringpuller | cool | [03:32] |
thestringpuller | later all | [03:32] |
dub | I remember my first floppy drive | [03:33] |
Diablo-D3 | 5.25", 360kb | [03:33] |
dub | no more programming whatever you needed again every time you turn the computer on | [03:33] |
mircea_popescu | dub they had old 7inch ones in my computer lab at school, wall decoration | [03:33] |
mircea_popescu | early 90s | [03:33] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: hah, ever see those gigantic hard drive platters? | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | yeah lol. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | actually, i typed on a cardpuncher, aged like 5. | [03:34] |
Diablo-D3 | recycle center around here had one, kept it as art | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | (i'm not making this shit up, my dad was working in a govt research center) | [03:34] |
Diablo-D3 | it was like 15 feet tall | [03:34] |
dub | mircea_popescu must be old | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | a these weren't so big. those cabinet thingees. | [03:35] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah it was some like 70s shit | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | dub not rally, just romania was behind the times :D | [03:35] |
dub | I had a computer in '83 | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | .g felix computer | [03:35] |
markac | mircea_popescu: http://www.felixpc.com/ | [03:35] |
Diablo-D3 | dub: I was born in 1983 so :< | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | .wik felix computer | [03:35] |
markac | "Felix is an open source programming language which provides an ML style type system with a syntax that C++ programmers should find easy to learn." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_(programming_language) | [03:35] |
dub | that was well into the PC era though | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | jesus forgotten ;/ | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_PC << romanian made pc clone. | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | 1985. | [03:36] |
dub | I used to buy games in a book | [03:36] |
Diablo-D3 | hah, I still have one of those books | [03:37] |
dub | you typed out the code, played game once | [03:37] |
dub | never bother again | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | dub early 90s romanian tv station used to have a computer show | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | they literally broadcast the code. you could load it into a z80 with a cable | [03:37] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: lol cassete drive audio | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | beee-beeeep trdhgkjdfhkjghehekrjghe | [03:37] |
Diablo-D3 | *cassette | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [03:38] |
dub | thats actually quite cool | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | half the time it was like... cracked programs too | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | i got saboteur that way | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | .g saboteur z80 | [03:38] |
markac | mircea_popescu: http://www.juegaenlaweb.es/spectrum/ | [03:38] |
Diablo-D3 | woah | [03:38] |
Diablo-D3 | newsweek is ending publication | [03:38] |
Diablo-D3 | fuck yeah | [03:38] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu had the same thing here, only via FM radio | [03:39] |
dub | early copy protection wanst exactly hard to beat | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | dub unlike current ? :D | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla haha cool | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | now i wanna hear that header sound once more ;/ | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | wonder if youtube has it | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | man | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | you know what I miss? | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | having to look in the manual for a phrase | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | to continue the game | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | and fuck, I miss _manuals_ | [03:40] |
Diablo-D3 | some games came with thick fucking tomes | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 manuals sucked. | [03:41] |
Diablo-D3 | loaded with art and other shit | [03:41] |
dub | then there was teh decoder rings | [03:41] |
kakobrekla | hehe i got the best manual ever with my new router lemme take a pic | [03:41] |
dub | lots of engrish? | [03:41] |
Diablo-D3 | Ive gotten electronics with no manual | [03:42] |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, not like pdf on cd or go online or something | [03:42] |
Diablo-D3 | there was _nothing_ | [03:42] |
Diablo-D3 | which is great, it didnt need one either | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUsNesaB0Ms hahah | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWKNWgNwLA << ok, this. this WAS THE FUCKING SOUND OF HAPPINESS | [03:44] |
Diablo-D3 | oh hai, Ive heard this before | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | :D | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQOB7wFxSmY this was saboteur | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | a there it is, very thick http://shrani.si/f/3r/x5/4aNMls9T/imag0228.jpg | [03:45] |
kakobrekla | 'enterprise' grade stuff. | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | lol. easy! | [03:46] |
kakobrekla | yeah | [03:47] |
dub | a lot of people actually like microtik too | [03:47] |
kakobrekla | wasnt expecting that | [03:47] |
Diablo-D3 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLH3I9QuSCM | [03:47] |
kakobrekla | yeah its great stuff | [03:47] |
dub | I know of at least one ISP that uses them, and not for CE shit | [03:47] |
kakobrekla | very pleased | [03:47] |
Diablo-D3 | you know, I'd like to watch a version of dune like this | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 why covered tits? | [03:51] |
dub | oh wow another dune? | [03:51] |
dub | is it animated? | [03:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00043564 = 0.3485 BTC [+] | [03:52] |
Diablo-D3 | dub: its not real | [03:55] |
Diablo-D3 | I wish it was | [03:55] |
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dub | I drag out and watch the '84 and '00 movies every couple of years, never gets old | [03:58] |
dub | actually reminds me, I think there might be some 'prequil' books I havent read yet | [04:00] |
kakobrekla | any title for the movie' | [04:01] |
dub | uh, dune | [04:05] |
dub | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/ and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/ | [04:06] |
vampireb | dune games were awesome | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | dune 1 sucked ass | [04:15] |
vampireb | meh i liked it, dune 2 was much better | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | dune 2 kicked ass. invented a new genre for sure | [04:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00043564 = 6.9267 BTC [-] | [04:18] |
dub | was too bought into RA1 for that shit | [04:20] |
dub | 48 hour ps1 linkup games | [04:20] |
dub | probably somethign to do with not having a pc | [04:21] |
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thestringpuller | the channel is alive again | [04:31] |
dub | oh yeah, I played dune2 | [04:31] |
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Diablo-D3 | https://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/fake-grimlock-server-on-fire.jpg?w=558&h=9999&crop=0 | [04:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.0004349 = 1.6091 BTC [-] | [04:44] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: you still around? | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | ya | [04:53] |
thestringpuller | sweet | [04:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00043455 = 12.515 BTC [-] | [05:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10256 @ 0.00043225 = 4.4332 BTC [-] | [05:10] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller did you have something in mind ? | [05:10] |
thestringpuller | i was driving | [05:11] |
thestringpuller | worked late | [05:11] |
thestringpuller | lemme grab a keyboard amd a chair and we will talk | [05:11] |
thestringpuller | AHhhhhhhh... much better. | [05:12] |
thestringpuller | Nothing like a good 'ol qwerty keyboard. | [05:12] |
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dub | Satoshi reaches next level in 0 days, 22:22:00. | [05:17] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu, i want to do the withdrawal version of BitInstant, allow for people to send a service BTC's (like fastcash4bitcoins.com) and sends out moneygrams within 10 minutes. The only thing is padding the fees | [05:18] |
thestringpuller | I read some literature on "free as a value proposition" and in order to pad an expense of a service that is free, you have to have something else to make up for it | [05:19] |
thestringpuller | I can't seem to figure out a way to do that with money gram fees (dey such a monopoly) | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | i would think your greater problem would be handling money flows. | [05:30] |
thestringpuller | that's handled | [05:30] |
* | thestringpuller works for a credit card processor, using their ip lol | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | lol. i meant legally. | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | you'll be getting tons of money in and out. | [05:32] |
thestringpuller | you talking AML? | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | that money service business stuff | [05:33] |
vampireb | open a company, apply for MBS license | [05:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29354 @ 0.00043291 = 12.7076 BTC [+] | [05:35] |
thestringpuller | can't I just write one of https://fastcash4bitcoins.com/Terms.aspx these | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | you really shouldn't be going into something like this w/o a lawyer partner. | [05:37] |
mircea_popescu | too many things to fugde up. | [05:37] |
vampireb | or go offshore | [05:37] |
thestringpuller | my investor has lawyers on retainer | [05:37] |
thestringpuller | so all the nitty legal stuff is covered | [05:37] |
thestringpuller | kinda lucked out | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | well then you should ask them lol | [05:38] |
thestringpuller | lol (writes it down) | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | run your plan by them, see what they say | [05:38] |
thestringpuller | okay so what about padding the fees? | [05:38] |
thestringpuller | lol | [05:38] |
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thestringpuller | I don't think lawyers will have advice on that | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | (well, basically, i will be taking lots of money in (from mtgox ?) and doling it out to many people who paid me btc. what do i do to make it legal ?) | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | a, the fees. | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | hm. | [05:39] |
thestringpuller | for M between 5-50 bucks it 5 dollar fee 55-200 it's 12 dollars 200-500ish it's ~19 | [05:40] |
thestringpuller | for moneygram* | [05:41] |
thestringpuller | damn expensive : | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | do cash in mail for < 100 ? | [05:41] |
thestringpuller | hmm, that's 1-2 days vs 10 minutes | [05:42] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | a sticky issue. | [05:44] |
thestringpuller | only if i were google | [05:44] |
thestringpuller | they were able to make gmail free because of their ad revenue | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | well man... this is one of those problems that'll make the solver rich | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | and meanwhile litter the fields with dead companies. | [05:46] |
thestringpuller | i'ma find away | [05:46] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4365 @ 0.00043721 = 1.9084 BTC [+] | [06:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00043397 = 20.0494 BTC [-] | [06:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10292 @ 0.00043291 = 4.4555 BTC [-] | [06:26] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: i've crunched numbers for like an hour | [06:39] |
thestringpuller | the best I can do is 10% which is outrageous : | [06:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1435 @ 0.00043721 = 0.6274 BTC [+] | [06:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00044 = 0.264 BTC [+] | [07:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20379 @ 0.00043897 = 8.9458 BTC [-] | [07:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19921 @ 0.00043577 = 8.681 BTC [-] | [08:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00044 = 3.212 BTC [+] | [08:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17379 @ 0.00043782 = 7.6089 BTC [-] | [09:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8964 @ 0.00043531 = 3.9021 BTC [-] | [09:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40236 @ 0.00043531 = 17.5151 BTC [-] | [09:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9764 @ 0.00043471 = 4.2445 BTC [-] | [09:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00043734 = 13.8637 BTC [+] | [09:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9036 @ 0.00044 = 3.9758 BTC [+] | [09:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00043463 = 6.5629 BTC [-] | [10:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12836 @ 0.00044 = 5.6478 BTC [+] | [10:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00043463 = 16.0378 BTC [-] | [11:06] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500000 @ 0.00044 = 220 BTC [+] | [11:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00043314 = 2.0358 BTC [-] | [12:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00043314 = 6.5404 BTC [-] | [12:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1532 @ 0.00043415 = 0.6651 BTC [+] | [12:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13899 @ 0.00043496 = 6.0455 BTC [+] | [12:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17601 @ 0.00044 = 7.7444 BTC [+] | [12:56] |
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EskimoBob | "money gram" ? What is that? | [13:13] |
EskimoBob | .estimate 290 | [13:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00044 = 23.716 BTC [+] | [13:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00043453 = 1.7381 BTC [-] | [13:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29768 @ 0.00043417 = 12.9244 BTC [-] | [13:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5632 @ 0.00043291 = 2.4381 BTC [-] | [13:49] |
EskimoBob | is GLBSE sending out double payments? | [13:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4473 @ 0.00043789 = 1.9587 BTC [+] | [14:15] |
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Chaang-Noi | yes EskimBob | [14:39] |
Chaang-Noi | EskimoBob they have for some not all | [14:40] |
Chaang-Noi | and its odd cuz they only ahve enought to pay 90% anyway | [14:40] |
Chaang-Noi | some get 100% some get 90% some get 1805 and some get 0% | [14:40] |
Chaang-Noi | 180% | [14:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00043291 = 2.8126 BTC [-] | [14:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41203 @ 0.00043229 = 17.8116 BTC [-] | [14:40] |
Chaang-Noi | theymos and other owners will ahve to cover the losses | [14:41] |
Chaang-Noi | what a fail boat glbse has turned into | [14:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22630 @ 0.00043506 = 9.8454 BTC [-] | [15:57] |
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EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: it just absurd. All they had to do was keep the damn thing open but close trading except issuer<->client | [16:34] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah... | [16:34] |
Chaang-Noi | its a fial boat im glad im not on | [16:34] |
EskimoBob | i guess there is always at least 2 wasy to resolve problems, right, correct and everything else | [16:34] |
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EskimoBob | rats do not like sinking boats... theymos khmkk.... | [16:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00043549 = 12.6728 BTC [+] | [16:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00043549 = 6.2275 BTC [+] | [17:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21112 @ 0.00043538 = 9.1917 BTC [-] | [17:16] |
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mircea_popescu | what's this double payments thing ?! | [17:40] |
thestringpuller | nefario being dumb | [17:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4620 @ 0.00043538 = 2.0115 BTC [-] | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | OK, I stand corrected. And if you prefer lulz over doing some research how exactly MPOE is financed, then sorry, I'll rather leave any further discussion to MPOE-PR . | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | ^^ jurov ahaha | [17:42] |
thestringpuller | forums is blowin up? | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | just a little lolz | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118679.msg1281743#msg1281743 | [17:43] |
thestringpuller | ive stopped checking them since I discovered usagi is incompetent | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE | [17:45] |
mircea_popescu | this is pretty cool | [17:45] |
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thestringpuller | yea | [17:46] |
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thestringpuller | he used google.charts | [17:46] |
thestringpuller | can we have access to historical mpex data? | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | the twitter feed ? or what data you mean ? | [17:48] |
jcpham | dolphin sex | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | that data is spermanently pealed. | [17:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22068 @ 0.00043538 = 9.608 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
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thestringpuller | permanently pealed? | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | sealed lol | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | it's a multipun. | [18:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.00043519 = 0.3186 BTC [-] | [18:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53764 @ 0.00043626 = 23.4551 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00043715 = 16.568 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7604 @ 0.00044 = 3.3458 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
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Lucidize | spoonerism | [18:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00044 = 15.884 BTC [+] | [18:42] |
BTC-Mining | So... who's advocating that people keep the double payment for themselve? | [18:44] |
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BTC-Mining | Doesn't seems to be the answer to me. | [18:45] |
BTC-Mining | Kind of taking your personal grudge against Nefario and venging yourself at the detriment of others who are waiting for their funds. | [18:46] |
BTC-Mining | Even if yes, most have zero trust in Nefario. | [18:46] |
Chaaang-Noi | theymos said peole should keep the double payments and not give back to nefario | [18:55] |
Chaaang-Noi | however theymos gave a guy a scammers tag just for that months ago | [18:55] |
Chaaang-Noi | theymos... oh man, he has turned out to be a scummy fuck | [18:55] |
BTC-Mining | Well what do you know... anonymous people... | [18:57] |
BTC-Mining | Is he well known other than as theymos? | [18:57] |
Chaaang-Noi | people i dont trust, mt gox, nefario now theymos... | [18:59] |
Chaaang-Noi | gavin i am not happy about cuz of the name of his foundation.. but other than that fine | [18:59] |
Chaaang-Noi | cassicuss is still cool... | [18:59] |
Chaaang-Noi | but man... | [18:59] |
BTC-Mining | Well, it does look like it was an "official" foundation | [18:59] |
Chaaang-Noi | no one left to trust or work with really | [18:59] |
Chaaang-Noi | then it should not be called "the bitcoin foundation" | [19:00] |
Chaaang-Noi | im fine he has a foundation, and i want him to have one | [19:00] |
Chaaang-Noi | just dont call it "the bitcoin foundation" | [19:00] |
BTC-Mining | But I mean, most open source project have an "official" foundation which is not technically... well official at all. | [19:00] |
Chaaang-Noi | cuz all it is is the mt gox and bitinstant foundation to pay gavin... | [19:00] |
Chaaang-Noi | i dont like the name | [19:00] |
Chaaang-Noi | it really pisses me off | [19:01] |
Chaaang-Noi | not eveny one agres with me | [19:01] |
Chaaang-Noi | every | [19:01] |
BTC-Mining | Well, as the core devs seems to be participating... they're already kind of making things themselve anyway to start with. And been doing a great job. | [19:01] |
BTC-Mining | I'm a bit annoyed but don't mind the name too much. | [19:02] |
BTC-Mining | The thing is, no one can enforce it and someone will eventually try to claim "Bitcoin Foundation" | [19:02] |
Chaaang-Noi | the should hold the name so no one will use it | [19:02] |
Chaaang-Noi | but they should not use it | [19:02] |
BTC-Mining | If they don't use it, they can't hold the name... | [19:03] |
BTC-Mining | They need to establish it. | [19:03] |
BTC-Mining | Better be the core dev establishing it before some random person makes literal claims to be the official Bitcoin Foundation | [19:03] |
BTC-Mining | Would be hard to have "Bitcoin Foundation" registered and enforced in every damn country | [19:04] |
BTC-Mining | and the devs don't have the resource for that anyway. | [19:04] |
BTC-Mining | It's a wrong doing more good than harm to me. Especially if they establish with the name but keep the claim not to be the official foundation. | [19:05] |
Chaaang-Noi | i understand your point | [19:05] |
Chaaang-Noi | i think they should have set up two differnt foundations then | [19:06] |
Chaaang-Noi | one that more or less did nothing but hold that name | [19:06] |
Chaaang-Noi | id support that with money | [19:06] |
BTC-Mining | Donating to get the name enforced would be a solution. | [19:07] |
BTC-Mining | Registration might be challenged however. | [19:07] |
BTC-Mining | It might not be copyrightable | [19:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8022 @ 0.00043658 = 3.5022 BTC [-] | [19:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34078 @ 0.00043615 = 14.8631 BTC [-] | [19:07] |
BTC-Mining | Everywhere | [19:07] |
BTC-Mining | I see people blindly attacking every authority on thinking and claims basically saying it's all wrong because it doesn't advantage them personally when other takes initiatives for themselves or others. Somehow it should always be for them. Yes there's corruption all around the world, but the majority of people in a position of authority knows what they're doing, have perfectly good | [19:11] |
BTC-Mining | reasons to do what they do and are not corrupted. I don't always have the same priorities as them, but I don't go around blindly attacking everyone. | [19:11] |
TomServo | Chaaang-Noi: Just curious, why don't you trust Mt Gox? | [19:13] |
BTC-Mining | You know, those kind of people that if you'd not claim said authority was innocent or to be agreeing with them, but simply even suggesting there's no proof of anything or bringing forth any reasoning to it, you're automatically part of them and should be publicly executed? | [19:14] |
Chaaang-Noi | they locked down a significant amount of my money and demanded i send in all sorts of docs | [19:14] |
Chaaang-Noi | like address passport wedding certificat | [19:14] |
Chaaang-Noi | bills | [19:14] |
Chaaang-Noi | like loads of crazy shit | [19:14] |
BTC-Mining | To only slightly exagerate... yes, that kind of persons... drives me nut. | [19:14] |
TomServo | Ahh, well yeah, I suppose that would do it. | [19:14] |
BTC-Mining | Chaaang-Noi, I'd expect that from any regulated financial service | [19:15] |
Chaaang-Noi | wedding certificate? | [19:16] |
BTC-Mining | To do it at some point with enough volume | [19:16] |
BTC-Mining | Maybe. I don't know their local laws and requirements. | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | translated and then certified? | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | they are in japan | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | they did not have to do that | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | there was a thread on it | [19:16] |
TomServo | I would expect it going in.. if it wasn't there to begin with I would agree doing it retroactively is suspect. | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | like 3 of them | [19:16] |
Chaaang-Noi | mark called claimed on the forum he had proof i was a "terrorest or money launder" | [19:17] |
BTC-Mining | Well, I don't consider bitcointalk.org as a good source of legal advice. | [19:17] |
BTC-Mining | uh? | [19:17] |
Chaaang-Noi | no i checked with my bank and my family lawyer | [19:17] |
BTC-Mining | Well, odd... | [19:17] |
Chaaang-Noi | they said i could sue for him making it public there was an AML investigation | [19:17] |
Chaaang-Noi | he broke the law | [19:17] |
BTC-Mining | That's bad. | [19:17] |
Chaaang-Noi | i knoew | [19:18] |
Chaaang-Noi | i know | [19:18] |
Chaaang-Noi | it was a huge drama about 10 months ago | [19:18] |
Chaaang-Noi | locked my shit down and said he had proof! | [19:18] |
Chaaang-Noi | month later said the case was closed and i got my money | [19:18] |
Chaaang-Noi | so much for proof | [19:18] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266 @ 0.00043615 = 0.116 BTC [-] | [19:33] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00043509 = 12.6611 BTC [-] | [19:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00043435 = 0.4344 BTC [-] | [19:59] |
midnightmagic | The wedding certificate was because your wife was active in your account wasn't she? | [20:00] |
midnightmagic | It wasn't just "hey gimme your wedding certificate" totally out of the blue? | [20:00] |
midnightmagic | Also, did your lawyer tell you he broke the law *of Japan*? | [20:01] |
midnightmagic | Like, specifically.. of Japan.. the place where he's operating in. | [20:02] |
midnightmagic | And what language, specifically, did he use when he said he had "proof"? Or are you paraphrasing again? | [20:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.000436 = 3.5752 BTC [+] | [20:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17034 @ 0.000436 = 7.4268 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21037 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2153 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63 @ 0.00043805 = 0.0276 BTC [+] | [21:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47025 @ 0.00044 = 20.691 BTC [+] | [21:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00044 = 16.588 BTC [+] | [21:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00043805 = 1.0951 BTC [-] | [22:07] |
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