Forum logs for 19 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
thestringpuller well the example of the teacher an non paying attention students [00:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00101 = 8.484 BTC [+] [00:01]
artifexd And.... [00:02]
thestringpuller that's pretty much it [00:05]
thestringpuller the WoT could be infiltrated by script kiddies who all rate each other and work in tandem like group think of reddit [00:05]
thestringpuller so the minorirty becomes the actual trustworthy people such as mircea_popescu or kako [00:06]
artifexd What does "herps derps legit things" mean? [00:06]
thestringpuller they fuck up a legit thing [00:08]
artifexd So actors A and B were good, trustworthy people until they fucked up. But actor C only sees one of them fuck up. <- Am I tracking so far? [00:09]
thestringpuller yea [00:10]
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artifexd Then kakobrekla says "How does that help?" How does that help what and in what way? [00:10]
mrstickball I think you could have independent audits of the WoT to verify legitimacy [00:11]
thestringpuller ... [00:11]
mrstickball its not hard to use a script to defeat automated Reddit WOT bots, too [00:11]
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thestringpuller that's not what he's talking about [00:12]
mrstickball you mentioned script kiddies using bots to upvote/ect [00:12]
artifexd Well it wouldn't be just script kiddies and bots. If mircea_popescu were to rate someone as something and then everyone else in here were to rate that same person as that same thing, it would have the same effect. [00:12]
thestringpuller yes in tandem, but the problem is the n nodes ignore the script kiddies [00:12]
thestringpuller at random points [00:12]
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fluffypony so then is it a matter of macroscopic vs. microscopic views of the WoT as it relates to a single entity within the WoT? [00:13]
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thestringpuller suppose I herp derp someone, n(1) sees it but n(2) does not [00:15]
thestringpuller that's where the problem arises [00:15]
thestringpuller because n(1) and n(2) don't group think [00:16]
fluffypony yes [00:16]
artifexd How is that a problem? n(1) could rate you appropriately. n(2) could not. [00:17]
fluffypony so if n(2) had a macroscopic view they would see the rating given by n(1) ? [00:17]
artifexd n(2) would probably look at all the ratings given to thestringpuller and make his own jugement. [00:18]
fluffypony one would hope so [00:18]
artifexd And in doing so, group think should be visible. [00:19]
fluffypony thus the issue only arises when n(2) maintains a microscopic view and disregards the WoT in favour of observed or hearsay indications of "trust" [00:19]
artifexd Take a look at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=aethero&sign=ANY&type=RECV [00:19]
artifexd There are multiple ratings that exist only to move aethero's rating in a specific direction. [00:20]
thestringpuller artifexd: no not at all. that would be groupthink. n(2) did not see what n(1) did so to rate me is to group think [00:20]
fluffypony right, so sort by rating, talk to those with the most positive and most negative stories [00:20]
fluffypony take with a pinch of salt and make up our own mind [00:20]
artifexd If n(2) were to rate you based soley on n(1)'s rating, yeah, that'd be groupthink. [00:20]
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artifexd I had assumed in your example that n(2) didn't rate you at all for that specific scenario. [00:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0672 = 0.4032 BTC [+] {2} [00:22]
thestringpuller so? [00:23]
artifexd Groupthink is the problem, right? At least as far as it is not immediately visible as such. [00:25]
fluffypony sleep time, cheers [00:25]
thestringpuller yup [00:26]
kakobrekla and remember kids, no brain, no tumor. [00:26]
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artifexd kakobrekla: Is that article from #bitcoin-assets logs or a summary of a verbal discussion. [00:27]
artifexd It feels like much is missing. [00:27]
kakobrekla its from pms [00:27]
kakobrekla but theres nothing missing really. [00:28]
artifexd Can you explain what sx and sy are? [00:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2} [00:29]
kakobrekla sybil entities [00:29]
artifexd The phrase "ignoring what I suspect to be sx" throws me. [00:29]
thestringpuller artifexd: have you looked at the wiki article yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack [00:29]
artifexd I have not. A sybil attack is something that I thought I understood. [00:30]
thestringpuller just apply it to WoT and you'll understand the convo [00:30]
artifexd OH! When he says sx and sy, he is referring to nodes, but more specifically, they are malicious nodes. [00:32]
artifexd So "suspect to be sx" means "suspect to be a malicious node". [00:32]
kakobrekla right [00:32]
artifexd With that in mind, re-reading... [00:32]
kakobrekla ima gonna get a shower. [00:33]
thestringpuller i hope there is a hot chick in that shower with you kakobrekla [00:36]
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artifexd Ok, lets assume a simple case, with s1 and s2 which are both legit. <- If we go with s and n as malicious/legit modifiers, how can s1 and s2 be legit? [00:37]
artifexd So now each of them herps derps legit things. You see half of it. <- That now reads as they both make legitimate ratings but "you" only pays attention to one of the ratings. [00:38]
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artifexd mircea_popescu is saying that if I were to see both ratings I would have a view of what happened such that I wouldn't need to ask anything about it, but, if I ignored one of the ratings, I would have a different view of what happened such that I would need to investigate more and thus possibly expose a falsified event? [00:40]
thestringpuller reeds moar game theory [00:43]
artifexd Apparently I must [00:43]
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kakobrekla should be "n1 and n2 which are both legit" [00:46]
kakobrekla the convo was edited. [00:46]
kakobrekla (condensed a bit) [00:46]
kakobrekla and "herps derps legit things" meaning talking about legit things which the author assumes is not legit, thats why the herp and derp [00:47]
thestringpuller ah [00:49]
kakobrekla theres a slight possibility [00:50]
kakobrekla well [00:50]
kakobrekla nevermind. [00:50]
TestingUnoDosTre I thought it meant rates something legit as if it were illegitimate [00:50]
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kakobrekla well, gotta leave something for people to wonder about in the following centuries [00:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013494 = 0.6747 BTC [-] {5} [00:53]
* thestringpuller toasts to the bitcoin illuminati. [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50315 = 2.0126 BTC [-] {2} [01:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8506 @ 0.0010072 = 8.5672 BTC [-] [01:02]
artifexd kakobrekla: It would be awesome if logs.bitcoin-assets.com could indicate if the person making a statement was authed with nickserv and/or ident with gribble at the time he/she made the statement. Like color coding the log entry or something. [01:06]
thestringpuller not a bad idea [01:07]
thestringpuller but you can /nick kakobrekla [01:08]
thestringpuller so freenode does that for you [01:08]
danielpbarron artifexd: I believe it does.. you can't get voice without being authed i think [01:08]
kakobrekla authed with gribble, not necessarily with nickserv [01:14]
kakobrekla or someone can !up you [01:14]
kakobrekla but we were already discussing this earlier, nickserv suck. perhaps especially on freenode [01:15]
kakobrekla not sure what the policies are on other networks [01:16]
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benkay Hi. I'm not really benkay [01:23]
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artifexd Yeah. gribble > nickserv [01:23]
artifexd ;;ident [01:24]
gribble Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None [01:24]
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benkay ;;ident [01:24]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None [01:24]
dignork !up vcorem [01:24]
assbot Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes. [01:24]
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artifexd ^ that's awesome [01:25]
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dignork mircea_popescu: so if you had questions to Spondoolies-Tech, vcorem is the guy [01:26]
kakobrekla what is spondoolies tech [01:26]
vcorem http://myminer.io [01:26]
ozbot Spondoolies Tech Plug&Mine [01:26]
vcorem ASIC Company [01:26]
kakobrekla o my. [01:26]
vcorem http://spminer.io [01:27]
ozbot Spondoolies-Tech [01:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4637 @ 0.00099458 = 4.6119 BTC [-] [01:28]
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kakobrekla well [01:55]
kakobrekla you did manage to get the attention of bfl shills [01:55]
kakobrekla so thats a point. [01:56]
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kakobrekla this goes beyond lol [01:59]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6283131#msg6283131 [01:59]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [01:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00098854 = 0.1977 BTC [-] [02:04]
phf eauth phf [02:06]
phf ;;eauth phf [02:06]
gribble Request successful for user phf, hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5356DE4752432A9E [02:06]
phf ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:886e192d04d17462894e8f6563810b03fbf539ffee7e1bbfa7b9de4f [02:07]
gribble Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. [02:07]
phf ooh [02:08]
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thestringpuller Cognitive Rises [02:15]
thestringpuller like batman [02:15]
kakobrekla thats it for tonite. later [02:18]
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TestingUnoDosTre Oh my. Spicy beer, this is outrageous [02:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00098939 = 21.3214 BTC [+] [02:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1349 @ 0.00070218 = 0.9472 BTC [+] {3} [02:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1002 @ 0.00074697 = 0.7485 BTC [+] {3} [02:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999998 BTC [+] [02:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 484 @ 0.00081221 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {2} [02:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14082 @ 0.00098843 = 13.9191 BTC [-] {2} [02:53]
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mircea_popescu dignork a cool. [03:23]
mircea_popescu !up vcorem [03:24]
assbot Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes. [03:24]
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kakobrekla o hi [03:24]
kakobrekla ur late [03:24]
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dignork sorry mp, he is in IL, it's 3am there [03:25]
kakobrekla how is it 3am there if its 3am here [03:25]
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dignork kakobrekla: IL as in Israel, UTC +2 or so [03:26]
kakobrekla a [03:26]
thestringpuller you mean chicago [03:26]
mircea_popescu artifexd a major point perhaps not so specifically stated in the article is that an actually working wot has two parts, the wot (ie, graph of relations) and the channel (ie, graph of conversations). they support each other, and the "real" wot is their juncture, in a sense. [03:27]
kakobrekla i thought he ment illanois? [03:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla weren't you supposed to be in bed ? :D [03:28]
kakobrekla i am! [03:28]
mircea_popescu aok. [03:28]
mircea_popescu dignork no big deal, it's 3 am here too :D [03:28]
kakobrekla just like you know like you p ointed out earlier [03:29]
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kakobrekla sitting by pc is like a caffeine injection [03:29]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla dude could you believe that chick's dress ? [03:29]
kakobrekla which ?? [03:29]
mircea_popescu if the forum ever finds out what she's been doing with her salary... [03:29]
kakobrekla pr's dress? [03:30]
kakobrekla im not following this [03:30]
mircea_popescu yeah. [03:30]
kakobrekla well it seemed normal to me? [03:30]
kakobrekla dunno, i dont go out much. [03:31]
mircea_popescu lol kako is a turk. sits in bed all day and smokes. [03:31]
kakobrekla lel [03:31]
kakobrekla i guess its not too far off. [03:31]
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kakobrekla but i dont smoke in bed anymore. [03:32]
mircea_popescu how come ? [03:32]
kakobrekla well i guess i try to give the lungs a bit of rest each night so the bedroom is smokeless. [03:33]
artifexd mircea_popescu: It was the conversations part that led me to my suggestion about adding ident information to log.bitcoin-assets.com. If you and I are talking right now, I can ensure that you are who I think you are (wot-wise). But if I'm researching you and I find some stuff that your nick said in the log. I don't know if it was you or someone with your [03:33]
artifexd nick. This, of course, assumes trust of the person maintaining the logs. [03:33]
mircea_popescu but since im voiced... i'm authed. [03:34]
mircea_popescu you see teh beauty of this. [03:34]
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artifexd But are you authed as mircea_popescu or someone else? [03:34]
artifexd For example... [03:34]
mircea_popescu who would i be authed as ? [03:34]
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benkay Hi [03:34]
kakobrekla yeah, enforce password for nickserv [03:35]
benkay Assuming auth == nick [03:35]
kakobrekla thats the only solution [03:35]
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mircea_popescu whoa i thought assbot kicked voice on /nick [03:35]
mircea_popescu but yes, otherwise, you get kicked in 30 seconds by nickserv anyway [03:35]
kakobrekla no it will follow the name change. [03:35]
artifexd Imma test that [03:35]
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mircea_popescu go ahead [03:35]
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kakobrekla poor benkay [03:35]
benkay I got a warning from nickserv saying it will kick me. [03:35]
kakobrekla i mean the real one [03:35]
benkay But... [03:36]
benkay Almost... [03:36]
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kakobrekla you gonna be guest [03:36]
Guest46913 Hi [03:36]
kakobrekla there [03:36]
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mircea_popescu i can't believe nobody reg'd derpy. [03:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, problem with colors is we'd rapidly run out of colors. [03:37]
mircea_popescu kako is not a koloring book. [03:37]
kakobrekla i think _i_ cant /nick because im the owner [03:37]
mircea_popescu so basically cognitive is the name of a zombie [03:38]
mircea_popescu it goes braaaainnnzzz [03:38]
artifexd Colors was just a possible implementation. The real point was to have the gribble auth status in the logs. [03:38]
artifexd Since nick changes don't show up in the log (do they?) later on, it could look like benkay was actually in here. [03:39]
mircea_popescu ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense. [03:39]
artifexd Just for a short period of time. :) [03:39]
mircea_popescu artifexd yeah, and if you keep doing this sort of shit you won't have voice anymore and problem solved. [03:39]
mircea_popescu you don't need technology to solve all edge cases. you just need it to give peoplez teh tools to do it themselves. [03:40]
artifexd Am I currently misbehaving? [03:40]
mircea_popescu i thought we were discussing a hypothetical [03:40]
artifexd I wanted to clarify whether I was being chastised. [03:41]
mircea_popescu you were like, o, someone could derp in here. and i was like, yeah, but they need voice. so you were like, well, maybe they have it. [03:41]
mircea_popescu and i was like... not for long. [03:41]
mircea_popescu so your hypotethical dood going around nicking as other people to fuck up the logs paternity was being chastised. [03:42]
artifexd "set enforce on" becomes even more important. [03:43]
kakobrekla 03:39.19 ( +mircea_popescu ) ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense. < it doesnt need to make sense, goat is an idiot but garr is bigger one. it is possible he bluff pressed it. [03:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla but... he got repaid 0.6 for the shares he bought over .6 but he kept the others, bought at .1 ? [03:43]
mircea_popescu so... he sitll has shares ? [03:43]
mircea_popescu wtf. [03:43]
kakobrekla he is putting himself in a bad position [03:44]
kakobrekla the only reason he would fake it to save his rep [03:44]
kakobrekla which [03:44]
kakobrekla he is also destroying [03:44]
kakobrekla at same time [03:44]
mircea_popescu so it makes any sense [03:44]
mircea_popescu well, at least not in any sort of sane way [03:44]
mrstickball!*@* added to ignore list. [03:45]
kakobrekla but yeah, i can see him reasoning that keeping the cheap shares is a good idea [03:45]
mircea_popescu what if there's going to be a scam report next from garr that goat sold him THE CHEAP SHAREs [03:46]
mircea_popescu and kept the other ones [03:46]
mircea_popescu contrary to the agreement [03:46]
kakobrekla it makes no difference really since all shares are equal [03:46]
kakobrekla point is how many you hold and what is the btc offset [03:47]
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mircea_popescu you don't understand. it's best to have bigger shares of number. [03:48]
mircea_popescu ahh i had too much fun today. [03:50]
mircea_popescu on my 3rd celebratory night cpa. [03:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-] [03:53]
kakobrekla it was fun. [03:53]
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thestringpuller it'll get more fun every year as long as we live to see it [03:55]
mircea_popescu there must be upper bound of fun [03:55]
mircea_popescu otherwise funflation. [03:55]
thestringpuller i think the fun needs to be divided equally and shared with everyone equally, regardless of contribution... [03:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell jborkl the only thing asics are good for is that it's no longer perfectly feasible for an actor with a fab to take over the chain. it's not something wanted, but moreover something that couldn't be avoided. [03:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:56]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller im willing to share it with teh girls! [03:56]
mircea_popescu lmao at OpenFFL. "oh, it [03:59]
mircea_popescu s open source so the code is reviewed" [03:59]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i'm not authed but voiced [03:59]
thestringpuller ;;ident [04:00]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [04:00]
mircea_popescu except one of the most critical pieces of security infrastructure was NOT reviewed [04:00]
thestringpuller ohter way around [04:00]
thestringpuller i'm voiced but not authed [04:00]
thestringpuller wait [04:00]
thestringpuller what... [04:00]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller you're not drunk but you're drinking ? [04:00]
thestringpuller I'm too drunk for this. [04:00]
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thestringpuller can we start calling it MP-Con? [04:04]
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mircea_popescu "Pros – -Everyone at Clinkle is a genius of high caliber" [04:05]
mircea_popescu the place where everyone's a genius. unsurprisingly, somewhere in california. [04:05]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete so i just tried to put a comment in, but "forbidden please enable javascript". as if. [04:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:13]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete anyway, i was saying that teh yurpeans also had the sort of war-as-a-sporting-event thing, before the french "republic" invented socialism. they worked just fine for evereyone (yes, including those least qualified to form an opinion on the matter). [04:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:14]
TestingUnoDosTre JavaScript, the,most powerful tool on the internet after [04:14]
mircea_popescu and [04:14]
TestingUnoDosTre Deep started it all [04:15]
TestingUnoDosTre Derppppp [04:15]
TestingUnoDosTre Had this beer today that was brewed with the hottest peppers in the world. Slightly afraid I'm going to piss fire tonight. [04:16]
TestingUnoDosTre Will report back with results. [04:17]
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mircea_popescu so pee on a fire hidrant. [04:23]
mircea_popescu anywya, that's all for me. laters! [04:23]
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mircea_popescu hey there. [11:07]
mircea_popescu o hai jurov [11:09]
jurov hey [11:09]
jurov 10am is early? lol [11:09]
mircea_popescu pretty cool the faraday cages asciilifeform came up with huh. [11:09]
mircea_popescu yes it is for me! [11:09]
mircea_popescu (also it's 11) [11:09]
jurov i was here hour ago [11:10]
mircea_popescu this is true [11:10]
fluffypony 10am here [11:10]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2833 [11:10]
ozbot BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 [11:10]
mircea_popescu "what if he pronounces it wrong" lmao [11:10]
jurov many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint" [11:11]
mircea_popescu i got this comment link from mod was all like omgwtfbbq fml! [11:11]
jurov *around [11:11]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgwetpq?context=3 [11:12]
mircea_popescu is this the reddit where it turns out the "cfo" never got any accounts etc ? [11:12]
mircea_popescu myeah. [11:13]
fluffypony yes - and hilariously there's now a call for regulation and barriers to entry [11:13]
mircea_popescu herpderp. reddit calls. [11:14]
mircea_popescu HeySteve: hmm, I should lay out my garden with hedges and such in the form of my GPU << then you could dress as an electron and run around there to mine. [11:14]
fluffypony so I pointed out that there already *is* an exchange with barriers to entry to prevent stupidity, but that "everyone" complains about it and then wonders why they get scammed [11:14]
mircea_popescu didja get downvoted ? [11:15]
fluffypony not yet, just posted it a few mins ago [11:15]
fluffypony waiting for the downvotes to commence :-P [11:15]
mircea_popescu "Danny’s plans before any of us came on board, were shortsighted on multiple levels. What kept us together through it all, was not the brilliance of the plan, but the coherence and communication of the assembled team and its skill sets. " [11:15]
mircea_popescu fucktards these people. [11:15]
fluffypony "So then MPEX.co creates a barrier to entry by being extremely strict with listings, depending heavily on the WoT for trust and on GPG for contracts, and charging a 30 BTC fee to register as a trader (alternatively you can use a broker like CoinBr. This prevents scammy listings and (generally speaking) means that investors are of the sort that have money to invest and the rationale to think things through. [11:15]
fluffypony And yet many people hate those barriers to entry and want to invest (read: lose) money by throwing it at the dodgiest listings on the dodgiest "exchanges" because they think they'll make money in an unregulated environment. And they complain about MPEX's barriers to entry! There are truly no limits to human greed." [11:15]
mircea_popescu there's a post abouit how communication is inexistent, [11:15]
mircea_popescu under it, an explanation claiming that it was the communication that kept them together [11:16]
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mircea_popescu the general population is in incontrovertible point of fact too stupid to live. [11:16]
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fluffypony on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation [11:18]
mircea_popescu why not ? [11:18]
mircea_popescu the space of observation stands with the space of experience roughly in the relation integers stand with reals [11:19]
mircea_popescu hm, maybe that was opaque. what's your background fluffypony ? [11:19]
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fluffypony academically not maths - informatics and logistics, so only a smattering of maths [11:20]
mircea_popescu ah [11:20]
fluffypony maybe I'm not understanding how "learn" and "mistake" are defined contextually [11:20]
fluffypony as an example [11:20]
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fluffypony a new business wants to do advertising [11:21]
fluffypony the CEO/manager/whatever does a ton of research, and realises it is his not his expertise [11:21]
fluffypony so he researches and finds a domain expert [11:21]
fluffypony and pays for some consultation [11:21]
mircea_popescu ok. the math-y thing i was refering too you'll prolly get if you read http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ [11:21]
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mircea_popescu basically, infinities are not all created equal, some are much larger than others. [11:22]
fluffypony the expert advises on radio advertising, and they spend $100k on radio advertising [11:22]
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fluffypony which doesn't translate into clicks, and they then *learn* from that *mistake* that they should have spent the $100k on online advertising instead [11:22]
mircea_popescu which was kinda the idea, there's an infinite space for experience, and in every iota of it there's an infinite space for observation. [11:22]
fluffypony so where in that process is the mistake? [11:22]
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mircea_popescu the mistake does not exist :D [11:22]
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mircea_popescu this is why it's so difficult to find. [11:22]
fluffypony yeah [11:23]
fluffypony jurov: that I agree with [11:24]
fluffypony he should have tested the waters with a small budget and measured the results [11:24]
mircea_popescu if they learn from that mistake that "they should have x instead" they're prolly pretty dumb anyway. [11:25]
mircea_popescu maybe they should have hired A cup chicks to dance in a circle around roger ver, in their underwear. [11:25]
fluffypony lol [11:25]
mircea_popescu for instance, take danny brewester's rookie mistake [11:26]
mircea_popescu (to be clear, since he's made so many : the one where he bought out all the advertising in a market, for a day) [11:26]
mircea_popescu now, what's to be learned from there ? [11:26]
fluffypony which rookie mistake are we talking about - the advertising one or another one? [11:27]
mircea_popescu the former [11:27]
fluffypony don't advertise when you don't even have a product [11:27]
fluffypony marketing is the last link in the chain, not the first [11:28]
mircea_popescu not a bad one. [11:28]
mircea_popescu alternatively, they could have learned that advertising is the corporate equivalent of the cock measuring competition, and you don't buy it out of proportion to your market share unless you are significantly more capitalised than the average. [11:29]
mircea_popescu neobee did not have more money than the average cypriot bank, and so a media overbuy strategy was a loser. [11:29]
fluffypony yeah agreed [11:29]
mircea_popescu well so now... vastly different lessons available from experience. [11:30]
mircea_popescu and you still have to observe your own experience. [11:31]
mircea_popescu so, while it's true that not every lesson can be learned from experience (usually because humans are too attached to their own, ego-defensive processing of experience), definitely any lesson can be learned from observation. [11:31]
mircea_popescu and even mutually incompatible lessons, for that matter. [11:32]
fluffypony I agree with that [11:32]
mircea_popescu finally, they could have learned that you do not grow rich by overpaying, and that retail is for suckers. [11:32]
mircea_popescu both rather useful life lessons, and the more likely to be learned. [11:33]
fluffypony heh [11:33]
mircea_popescu that's what truely separates the wayward (ie, erroneous) from the outright imbecilic (ie, rookie) : he didn't even fucking bother to get a good deal. [11:33]
fluffypony yeah, when you have buying power and you don't leverage it that's just idiotic [11:34]
mircea_popescu he had all the leverage he could possibly imaginably have : he didn't need a fixed date ; he was x-buying anyway. the publishers had nothing, he could have gotten any deal he wanted. [11:34]
mircea_popescu but he didn't have brains enough to ask even, let alone push for it. [11:34]
fluffypony also I'm not sure why everyone bought his spiel about being an early BTC/LTC adopter, there wasn't any evidence of that; his lack of technical understanding of cryptocurrency fundamentals would point to the opposite [11:35]
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mircea_popescu they all claim that sorta shit. this is part of why you don't want teenaged officers : they have issues with approval, and they seek it the wrong ways in the wrong venues. [11:37]
mircea_popescu instead of seeking mine, he went seeking the publishers'. well fucking hell obivously they'll approve you giving them free money. [11:38]
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fluffypony yeah [11:38]
mircea_popescu also breeds this habint of obtaining it by lying (like the early adopter stuff) which is pernicious, because it creats the habit of lying. [11:38]
mircea_popescu sort-of like metadrugs. [11:38]
fluffypony heh [11:38]
mircea_popescu guy becomes unable to motivate himself : why put in half hour of work to learn how to crochet [11:39]
mircea_popescu when you could claim you're an intenrational crochet champion, to the mouth gaping amazement of everyone. [11:39]
mircea_popescu then next week you're also a horse riding expert [11:39]
fluffypony hah hah [11:39]
mircea_popescu and within half a year just the rent extracted from you by all this bullshit [11:39]
mircea_popescu cause of course it needs to be supported, you end up having to leave town in the middle of some crisis because you think people expect you to go to the crochet championship next town over or w/e [11:40]
fluffypony yeah [11:40]
mircea_popescu the rent becomes 90% of all your expenditure, and wd! you've created a new us. [11:40]
mircea_popescu incidentally, read the old pirate stuff, exactly the same broken sort of personality. [11:40]
HeySteve I'm watching a good film about a man who believes himself to be Sherlock Holmes, often the delusion is rooted in denial of some painful reality [11:41]
mircea_popescu yeah. usually the painful reality being that one's, you know, 17. [11:42]
fluffypony how old is Danny? [11:43]
mircea_popescu twenties something. [11:43]
fluffypony heh [11:43]
mircea_popescu like the crinkle guy, except in fiat they don't let dorks trade on the company funds. [11:44]
fluffypony everyone "started a company" in their twenties, it's just that when I did nobody would've invested in it (even if I'd asked) [11:44]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, sure. [11:44]
fluffypony I must say, the one good thing about having spent a few years at a listed corporate is that you see all the red tape and regulatory crap [11:45]
fluffypony and whilst everyone complains about it, you get to see why it's there [11:45]
mircea_popescu people rarely spend much time complaining about something that has no good reason to exist. [11:45]
mircea_popescu it'd have gone away by now, sort of thing. [11:45]
fluffypony yep [11:45]
fluffypony lol - "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem.", but he gave Neo & Bee a "Buy Rating" a month ago [11:47]
mircea_popescu "But Andreas Topulopulus , our God And Bitcoin Leader said we can trust him?" [11:48]
mircea_popescu there's all these fucktards that imagine derping about how saying nigger is bad will suddenly qualify them to opine on matters. [11:48]
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mircea_popescu lol look who's here. [11:49]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: you missed your Twitter friend yesterday [11:49]
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mircea_popescu i was just about to say, people think they can do due diligence, but universally they can not. however, there's going to be a living to be made in the future for those who actulaly learn to. [11:49]
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kakobrekla sup [11:50]
fluffypony kakobrekla: morning [11:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla my tits! [11:51]
kakobrekla :* [11:51]
mircea_popescu lol [11:51]
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mircea_popescu !up ThickAsThieves [11:52]
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assbot I don't do bots, mircea_popescu. [11:52]
ThickAsThieves test [11:53]
ThickAsThieves weird, the first comment after you upped me didnt get thru [11:53]
mircea_popescu cuz what counts is when assbot gets around to doing it, not when i say it. [11:54]
mircea_popescu we're like a polity over here, and assbot is the bureaucracy. we can pass whatever resolutions we want... [11:54]
ThickAsThieves ;;assbotlag [11:54]
gribble Error: "assbotlag" is not a valid command. [11:54]
mircea_popescu ;;echo assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey! [11:54]
gribble assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey! [11:54]
fluffypony oh I miss the goxlag days [11:55]
gribble Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command. [11:55]
ThickAsThieves gribble can talk now too? [11:55]
ThickAsThieves we're fucked [11:55]
ozbot http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mamtxnMUwJ1qcs7dao1_500.jpg [11:55]
mircea_popescu http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/19/law-is-not-scary/ [11:55]
ozbot Law is not scary | Preston Byrne [11:55]
mircea_popescu anyone know this kid ? [11:55]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b31 this is gonna be a bet to watch i guess [11:56]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June [11:56]
mircea_popescu kinds funny how contrarian people are in their betting. [11:56]
ThickAsThieves indeed [11:56]
ThickAsThieves maybe they are hedging [11:58]
ThickAsThieves is anyone we know even doing any respectable due diligence in any shape or form? [11:59]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=due+diligence | Due Diligence is a term used for a number of concepts involving either the performance of an investigation of a business or person, or the performa... [12:02]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: due diligence [12:02]
ThickAsThieves jurov is doing his due diligence on due diligence [12:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00232768 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {40} [12:03]
HeySteve speaking of due diligence, what is the WoT etiquette on a big name who doesn't wish to auth? [12:03]
ThickAsThieves fluffypony:on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation // well, NEW experiences can't be learned by observation, generally [12:04]
ThickAsThieves but "new" experiences need to more than new-to-you [12:04]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yesh [12:04]
ThickAsThieves this also goes in hand with mp's past comments on advising to make mistakes people havent made already, thereby adding to the trove of things we know won't work [12:05]
fluffypony HeySteve: it depends - if you're trading with them then they generally have to auth; whilst you can check with nickserv if they have enforce on and are identified Freenode have said that it's possible NS passwords were leaked coz of heartbleed [12:06]
HeySteve this is my exact concern, yes [12:06]
HeySteve not a trading situation but journalistic [12:06]
fluffypony HeySteve: so mention at the outset of the article that the quotes may be unsubstantiated because of reasons mentioned above? [12:07]
HeySteve thanks, that makes sense. nothing else for it really [12:08]
ThickAsThieves or ask the person to sign properly if it's important [12:09]
ThickAsThieves etc [12:09]
HeySteve that I have, no dice. verified email tho. I'm perhaps being extra cautious as it will be a big story [12:10]
HeySteve I believe the most expensive item yet trading for btc [12:11]
ThickAsThieves :/ [12:11]
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kakobrekla 11:11.29 ( +jurov ) many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint" < same here, but 'bitcoind' but they are not meanin the daemon. [12:17]
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kakobrekla lol [12:21]
ThickAsThieves i left something icky for ya'll: [12:27]
ThickAsThieves "You probably didn’t stop flying because you have to go through airport screeners, take off your shoes, let your laptop be X-rayed and your luggage possibly rummaged through by security personnel. You shouldn’t close your business either. Instead, level with your customers, tell them what the government is capable of doing, and allow them make up their own minds as to whether to do business with you or not. [12:27]
ThickAsThieves Revelations aside, nothing has changed. The NSA monitored communications well before Edward Snowden leaked documents to Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. It has long had the power of the subpoena to compel a business to hand over records and documents. [12:27]
ThickAsThieves Shutting down won’t accomplish much. Staying open just might." [12:27]
ThickAsThieves ignore where i said "i left" [12:28]
ThickAsThieves he's speaking on Lavabit [12:28]
ThickAsThieves more snippets here: http://pando.com/2014/04/18/lavabit-creator-held-in-contempt-for-making-a-tiny-tiny-point/ [12:29]
kakobrekla the gathering is at 2? [12:34]
ThickAsThieves yessir [12:35]
kakobrekla kk [12:36]
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kakobrekla !up ThickAsThieves [12:47]
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ThickAsThieves but i already auth'd and upped myself i thought ...? [12:48]
kakobrekla hm [12:49]
kakobrekla do !up on pvt again [12:49]
kakobrekla what does it say [12:49]
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kakobrekla aha [12:50]
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kakobrekla dafuq. [12:50]
kakobrekla who made this shit [12:50]
ThickAsThieves i am bcauth'd, if that helps [12:50]
kakobrekla lemme check smth [12:51]
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kakobrekla hrm i dunno perhaps you found a corner case. [12:52]
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kakobrekla up on pm now [12:52]
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kakobrekla now its perma. [12:53]
ThickAsThieves "So bitbet joins the list of sxam sites. Moderators arbitrarily declaring in-time bets as late." [12:54]
ThickAsThieves cool [12:54]
ThickAsThieves it wasnt me! [12:54]
kakobrekla lol that thing again [12:54]
kakobrekla as i said, a 'fuck you' clause must be added. [12:55]
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Duffer1 is that from Uno? [12:56]
kakobrekla lol did you guys see that Ukyo thread [12:56]
kakobrekla apparently people are calling his wife and family now [12:56]
kakobrekla must be fun [12:56]
Duffer1 o,o [12:57]
ThickAsThieves shitty [12:57]
kakobrekla https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitfunder-moving-forward-resolution-process.197576/page-74#post-5988234 [13:02]
kakobrekla and such [13:02]
ozbot [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process | Page 74 | Bitcointa.lk [13:02]
kakobrekla lol [13:02]
kakobrekla "hi mom, your son owes us millions, can you cover for it ?" [13:03]
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fluffypony meh [13:09]
fluffypony why do they think it'll make a difference calling his wife? [13:09]
kakobrekla because she has the btc ofc. [13:10]
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fluffypony yeah [13:11]
fluffypony she's hiding the privkeys in her snatch [13:11]
fluffypony ok that was overly rude, I take that back :-P [13:11]
kakobrekla http://www.humint.is/goxcoin/ [13:12]
ozbot Goxcoin - Humint [13:12]
kakobrekla O_o [13:12]
cazalla Duffer1: it's TestingUnoDosTre for sure [13:12]
Duffer1 i was so offended i shall report thee to the internets police [13:12]
Duffer1 didn't he get a refund? [13:13]
cazalla yeah [13:13]
cazalla clearly not enough for him [13:13]
Duffer1 he got off LUCKY [13:13]
fluffypony "Goxcoin would be issued on a one-to-one basis to trusted and verified accounts." [13:13]
fluffypony lol [13:13]
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kakobrekla ping jurov [13:13]
kakobrekla your friend is looking for you [13:13]
cazalla Duffer1: agreed [13:14]
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fluffypony off to a beer fest I go, cheers [13:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00097178 = 23.5657 BTC [-] {2} [13:53]
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TestingUnoDosTre Earliest awake- 6:17 in Derpmerica [14:19]
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TestingUnoDosTre No that comment wasn't from me [14:34]
TestingUnoDosTre I take it to the chat, not wherever you guys were looking [14:34]
TestingUnoDosTre I would rather many more herpers and derpers flock to the site so I can take their hard earned btc [14:36]
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TestingUnoDosTre There was another person who's bet was submitted at the same time as mine. Most likely them [15:35]
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TestingUnoDosTre $depth MPOE [15:38]
mpexbot TestingUnoDosTre: S.MPOE Bids: ['40246 @ 0.00098051', '34294 @ 0.00097857', '30300 @ 0.00097167', '21065 @ 0.00096972', '1000 @ 0.00095001'] [15:38]
mpexbot TestingUnoDosTre: Asks: ['18196 @ 0.00098059', '36000 @ 0.00098512', '6450 @ 0.00098939', '11200 @ 0.00099063', '20780 @ 0.00099203'] [15:39]
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TomServo .d [18:11]
ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1716 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.4498% in 10d 18h 47m 54s [18:11]
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benkay mornin [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.07119720 BTC to 8`524 shares, 36030 satoshi per share [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] [19:03]
benkay ;;later tell bitcoinpete hey didja know that if you have an avatar.png at the root of your domain it'll show up on trilema as your avatar? [19:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:18]
benkay http://tohjiro.tumblr.com/image/82780835734 [19:26]
ozbot All Flesh Is Erotic Flesh: Photo [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.5 = 6.5 BTC [-] {2} [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1522 @ 0.00013629 = 0.2074 BTC [-] [19:38]
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cgcardona_ yo [19:47]
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benkay hi [20:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} [20:15]
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cgcardona_ been working all morning getting image transitions to work w/ css from this tutorial http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/cfimg/ [20:24]
cgcardona_ It's pretty sweet to move that from JS into CSS [20:25]
cgcardona_ makes the code much more terse and easier to mentally digest IMO [20:25]
cgcardona_ seemingly better seperation of concerns though you still need to toggle classes with JS to trigger them so it's not entirely cleanly seperated. [20:26]
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fluffypony cgcardona_: CSS gives me a headache...I'm definitely not a front-end person from that perspective [21:17]
cgcardona_ sure but what are the other options [21:18]
cgcardona_ the whole web stack is a rube goldberg machine if ever there were one [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2693 @ 0.00098487 = 2.6523 BTC [-] [21:18]
cgcardona_ got the w3c and ecma standardizing different languages [21:19]
cgcardona_ got `background-color` in CSS and `backgroundColor` in the DOM [21:19]
cgcardona_ shit is cray cray [21:19]
cgcardona_ I was in the HTML5 working group in the W3C and got to see the red tape up front. [21:20]
cgcardona_ one of the most passionate group of people I've ever met but legendary red-tape [21:20]
cgcardona_ and bureaucracy [21:20]
cgcardona_ but Tim Berners Lee is one of the most humble people that I've me who've accomplished that much IMO [21:21]
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cgcardona_ I met him at a W3C plenary meeting so it's possible he was extra relaxed in that environment but he was super kind. [21:21]
fluffypony I'm quite jealous - would love to meet him one day [21:27]
fluffypony you're right, there aren't other options [21:27]
fluffypony I just don't "get" CSS [21:27]
fluffypony I'm forced to dabble, so the nature of it eludes me [21:27]
fluffypony and invariably I end up in ##css asking for help :-P [21:28]
cgcardona_ oksushi in #css is an OG css ninja. not sure if he still hangs there these days. [21:36]
cgcardona_ ;;rate fluffypony 1 seen often in #btc-assets [21:37]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded. [21:37]
fluffypony ;;rate cgcardona_ 1 bitcoin-assets regular [21:39]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded. [21:39]
cgcardona_ I got two shots w/ Timbl & my son http://i.imgur.com/8CmOHmZ.jpg && http://i.imgur.com/0erLCdQ.jpg [21:40]
fluffypony lol neat [21:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04434039 = 0.2217 BTC [-] {4} [21:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0668 = 0.2004 BTC [-] [21:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00099089 = 13.7238 BTC [+] {2} [21:46]
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cgcardona_ ;;ticker [21:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.44, Best ask: 503.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 503.59, 24 hour volume: 9381.75540973, 24 hour low: 472.81, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 490.16918288 [21:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06689999 = 0.1338 BTC [+] {2} [22:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+] [22:55]
thestringpuller ;;seen BingoBoingo [22:56]
gribble BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006 [22:56]
thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo how'd you feel about that movie money ball? [22:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:56]
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turbo_ac100 This has MP written all over it: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/reactos-community-edition/contributions/new?perk_amt=50000&perk_id=1864501 [23:22]
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dignork turbo_ac100: open source windows clone? I have to admit, I looked at their source code once, while trying to figure out some windows undocumented functionality, but rewriting outdated OS, what for? [23:50]
midnightmagic Are they planning some kind of XP-like forever-support? [23:50]
midnightmagic Maybe they're going to take all the XP customers who hate anything that's happened since. [23:51]
midnightmagic *"users" [23:51]
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