Forum logs for 18 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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cazalla	woot woot, the courier delivered my 2 x white shahtoot mulberry.. first time ordering plants online, preddy impressed tbh, arrive safe and sound	[00:18]
decimation	asciilifeform: note that susan rice is also part of the 'rice cameron family foundation'	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67641 @ 0.00044978 = 30.4236 BTC [+] {2}	[00:23]
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asciilifeform	not one of those buggers depends on honest (or otherwise) ~work~ for a living.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167008 << i fired a (rented) 'taurus' '45 at a firing range. it had parts clearly cast from shitmetal.	[00:39]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 00:35:22; BingoBoingo: i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	not even certain the hammer was 100% steel	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Like everything else sold in 'Murican Market actual product costs substantial premium over given product.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the existence of pistols with 'zamac' moving parts blew my mind	[00:42]
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asciilifeform	can't wait for the zamac barrels	[00:42]
asciilifeform	('3d printed!!111!1')	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	lol	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	Thankfully .45 ACP generates relatively low pressures	[00:43]
asciilifeform	betcha clay would work better.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	(pottery: the original 3d print!)	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties	[00:43]
decimation	that Al lower receiver looked pretty solid	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	For the record I am under the impression Kimber and "Springfield Armory" are the leaders in Model 1911 production with Taurus leading the M-92 production	[00:45]
asciilifeform	decimation: not a pressurized part	[00:45]
asciilifeform	can make from cardboard if you want.	[00:45]
decimation	no, one would need to buy good quality upper and barrel	[00:45]
asciilifeform	well yes. but the lower thing only holds a few springs and the mag	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	Taurus also by its subsidiary Rossi seems to be dominating the lever action rifle market as well	[00:46]
decimation	I imagine the accuracy of the rifle might be affected by cardboard trigger pull :)	[00:46]
asciilifeform	(the upper half of that rifle, on account of some peculiar usg archaicism, is sold openly)	[00:46]
decimation	I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized?	[00:47]
asciilifeform	does one, strictly speaking, even need the lower to fire the rifle ?	[00:47]
asciilifeform	or can you shoot it 'by hand' like you could the old lugers ?	[00:47]
decimation	something needs to hold the trigger group together	[00:47]
asciilifeform	can you simply whack the pin by hand ?	[00:47]
decimation	my understanding of m-4 is that the lower does this	[00:47]
decimation	heh	[00:47]
decimation	well, can put .22 in a pipe too	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized? << paladin press torrent will yeild a bounty on this subject	[00:47]
decimation	this is why 'banning guns' is silly	[00:47]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: not 'high tech'	[00:48]
asciilifeform	(no more so than the one on your car)	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	well, can put .22 in a pipe too << 12 ga better "pipe" caliber candidate	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course not. Few good things are "high tech"	[00:49]
asciilifeform	i believe traditional american 'zip gun' is a '12ga'	[00:49]
asciilifeform	specifically on account of matching the 'calibers' found in a typical plumbing goods shop	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	Traditional zip gun is .22 or .25 caliber, but... if choosing off the shelf pipes why not go big?	[00:49]
asciilifeform	harlan ellison described his years as teenaged scum with some detail re: this weapon	[00:49]
asciilifeform	i can't recall the precise details. anyone who needs this - straight to him.	[00:50]
decimation	apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200	[00:51]
decimation	under fdr-era gun law	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	decimation: In Missouri, Montana, and select rebel territories such tribute is unecessary if manufactered in state	[00:53]
decimation	I don't think so	[00:57]
decimation	it's a federal law	[00:57]
decimation	some states won't let you have them even if they are registered	[00:58]
decimation	apparently in Washington state you can own, but not use	[00:59]
decimation	anti-gun nuts love to make guns louder, so they annoy people on nuisance grounds	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	decimation: it is a grey area open to continuing litigation which is why the states in question pushed this kind of federal premption stuff forward, to keep the lawyers in an other than nekkid state	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	"job creation" and all	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	So what if Billy Bob does 10 years in Marion	[01:01]
mats	Billy Bob Thornton is one creepy dude	[01:04]
decimation	mmm hmm	[01:04]
decimation	actually if there's hope for the us, it seems to be with the states	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	Around these parts he would be white tie formal	[01:05]
decimation	apparently colorado and others can just preempt federal law if they feel like it, and the feds are 'unable' to do anything	[01:06]
mats	whats that you're referring to	[01:06]
decimation	the whole pot thing	[01:06]
decimation	if you are gonna waste your time on us politics, the most effective use would be state plebecites	[01:06]
mats	o, 'federalism when convenient'	[01:06]
decimation	mats: yeah but it kinda demonstrated that the feds are a paper tiger	[01:07]
mats	feds are still busy fucking the state	[01:07]
mats	mmj dispensaries cannot deposit funds into national anks	[01:07]
decimation	as long as the 'reform' you want is popular, the fed's hands are tied to a degree	[01:07]
mats	makes them an easy target for unscrupulous opportunists	[01:07]
decimation	mats: so vote on state law preempting federal bank regulation	[01:08]
mats	that works until scotus tells you to fuck off	[01:08]
decimation	yeah but here's the thing, the feds don't want to go to scotus	[01:08]
decimation	in case they lose	[01:08]
decimation	that's why they didn't take colorado to court, for instance	[01:08]
mats	i think i'll have to bone up on my case law for this conversation	[01:09]
decimation	please do. if we can get someone to author anti kyc/aml regulation in some state it would be a huge win for bitcoin	[01:09]
decimation	this whole hastert affair still pisses me off. imagine if a state voted to make it illegal for a bank to report your cash transaction to the feds	[01:10]
mats	http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting	[01:10]
assbot	Charleston church shooting: Multiple deaths reported - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bp7Xoe )	[01:10]
decimation	oh lordy, white man shootin' black people. gonna be trayvon all over again	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	"clean-shaven white man" << So much suspicion avoided by keeping a beard	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties << the difference between properly fired fine clay and the bizarre ceramic-like metal replacement the chinese use is slight.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	(break a "solid metal" chinese item - see the porous microstructure)	[01:16]
asciilifeform	^ zamac	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	"fine clay" << /me mostly considers lical jungle clay of which there is an abundance.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167211 << not so simple. gotta get fingerprinted, filed in triplicate, and letter of permission from local sheriff (automatic in some states, a definite 'never' in others) plus subject to random inspections.	[01:18]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 03:47:32; decimation: apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought zamac is actually an alloy not a carbide	[01:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: some forums I read suggest that they can't inspect your weapon (without a warrant), just the tax stamp	[01:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: alloy. but shows the property described here.	[01:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: in maryland I suspect the answer is always no	[01:19]
decimation	unless you are friends with the governor or whatever	[01:20]
BingoBoingo	Pistola http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1139&pr=0	[01:29]
assbot	JL: The Stop Gap Tank ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4X7oT )	[01:29]
decimation	lol "Other useless features were pistol ports (in the middle of a tank battle I am going to throw my 1911.45 cal handgun into the mix!),"	[01:36]
decimation	imma shoot you with my pistol! pew pew!	[01:37]
decimation	;;lasers	[01:37]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[01:37]
asciilifeform	late-model t-34 had them	[01:37]
asciilifeform	they aren't for 'tank battle'	[01:37]
asciilifeform	but for keeping infantry off your back	[01:37]
asciilifeform	(if the coaxial guns jam, presumably)	[01:37]
decimation	sure, but what about .50 cal on top	[01:37]
decimation	at any rate, if a competent infantryman gets close enough to be killed by pistol - you are already dead	[01:38]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust	[01:38]
assbot	Panzerfaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4YJ1T )	[01:39]
asciilifeform	could have had 'psychological' reason for the ports, such as preventing crew from leaving machine prematurely	[01:39]
decimation	yeah, anything to make them think they aren't gonna die in a fire or hail of metal shards	[01:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.0004424 = 26.721 BTC [-]	[01:41]
decimation	although I guess the early panzerfausts only had a 30m range!	[01:41]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << obligatory. transl. of ultra-famous ru song on subject.	[01:42]
assbot	На поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZpUT )	[01:42]
decimation	this means the most obvious anti-tank move for infantry is the traditional one - ambush	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up lobbes	[01:43]
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lobbes	!rate lobbesbot 1 tis my bot	[01:43]
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lobbes	excellent	[01:44]
asciilifeform	http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters << my favourite historic anti-tank weapon	[01:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZIzh )	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation the problem those ports were probably trying to address is not "middle of tank battle" but "tank got ambushed by infantry"	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	small caliber not such a bad idea. bb sprayer even better, of course.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	didntijustsaythis	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	oh nm, lol.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	btw ru sop was to stick 'ppsh' through the hole	[01:45]
asciilifeform	(for those unfamiliar, approximately 'tommygun')	[01:45]
decimation	yeah, but if ambush is done right - not much chance to shoot back	[01:45]
decimation	not like infantryman is plinking your shit with his luger	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	the "ambush done right" is this thing still awaiting embodiement irl.	[01:46]
decimation	asciilifeform: lol the infantry equiv. of a kamakaze raid	[01:47]
asciilifeform	banzai!!	[01:48]
mats	...lol	[01:48]
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decimation	one wonders if that if the jap could get close enough to hide in bushes - why not bury actual anti-tank mine?	[01:49]
asciilifeform	mines can't run.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	(or scream 'banzai!')	[01:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79559 @ 0.00044982 = 35.7872 BTC [+]	[01:51]
mats	i hear the japanese are pretty good at baseball	[01:51]
mats	grenades for the port?	[01:51]
asciilifeform	mats: afaik it's 100% post-occupation thing	[01:52]
mats	am joking	[01:52]
decimation	mats: they could toss those magnetic mines, seems much more practical	[01:52]
decimation	lol but apparently it too was impact-triggered	[01:53]
decimation	poor sops in wwii didn't have a proper timer for anything	[01:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: netting existed in ww2	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00044648 = 26.9227 BTC [-]	[01:53]
decimation	anti-tank netting?	[01:54]
asciilifeform	anti-grenade netting	[01:54]
decimation	ah	[01:54]
decimation	modern equiv is that 'slat fence' armor	[01:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: have you even done 'alsa' programming?	[02:00]
decimation	it's a shit api	[02:00]
asciilifeform	no and i don't intend to..	[02:00]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167023 << i've stopped clicking since these apparently began including cock	[02:00]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 00:39:50; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg	[02:00]
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BingoBoingo	mats: Last "World Baseball Classic" the japs were knocked out by the Netherlands to my great profit.	[02:02]
mats	can confirm there is no cock in that one	[02:03]
*	asciilifeform actually surprised	[02:04]
mats	BingoBoingo: who usually wins these things?	[02:04]
mats	i mean, besides presumably USA	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	mats: Up until 2013 the Japs. Problem is the Japs have such a toxic culture towards starting pitchers. 2013 Dominican Republic won. Semifinal Part of the USA (Puerto Rico) beat the rest of USA	[02:05]
mats	ic	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	Latin American hitting is the best. Japanesep pitching technique is great. Just Japanese coaching techniques destroys arms.	[02:08]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?	[02:10]
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mod6	hanbot: I finally have a guide you can follow for an amd64 (x86-64) Gentoo install on physical hardware. This guide is actually part A (just the commands & notes) and part B (with examples from my own install process). trinque & I have both tested this independantly, and the steps got us to a working install. Hopefully you'll get the same result! You should probably just read through both before actually doing anything. Here are the URL's to both	[02:21]
mod6	Thanks for the help!	[02:23]
mats	where da URLs at	[02:23]
mod6	Did it cut them off from my message?	[02:23]
*	mod6 looks at the log	[02:23]
mod6	Ah yeah it did. Ok, one sec:	[02:23]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide.txt	[02:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLak )	[02:24]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt	[02:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLqN )	[02:24]
mod6	Upon further successful testing of these guides, they'll be submitted to the mailing list, etc.	[02:24]
mod6	hanbot: anyway, thanks again, let me know if you have any questions.	[02:27]
mod6	(others are welcome to test these as well, ofc)	[02:28]
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_biO_	i find that offensive	[02:47]
BingoBoingo	_biO_: Nigga/Bitch/WHitey Plase	[02:47]
_biO_	just kidding, bimbobongo	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	Hey, i am transMehican, respect my lawn	[02:48]
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BingoBoingo	Yup coon free yard	[02:56]
danielpbarron	;;later tell ahmed_ you should spend that litcoin to a different address; I sent you the private key over plain text	[02:56]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:56]
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ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: what kind of braindamage are youdealing with oday?	[03:04]
danielpbarron	i had a Litecoin "paper wallet" and wanted to sell into the price surge yesterday	[03:05]
danielpbarron	and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how do you shower ?	[03:26]
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pete_dushenski	howdy	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	how goes	[10:02]
pete_dushenski	up at the crack of dawn this morn, thought it was 8am, it was 5:30	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	so lick her out.	[10:03]
pete_dushenski	is that even kosher ?	[10:04]
pete_dushenski	i kid, i kid.	[10:04]
pete_dushenski	though i did once wonder this.	[10:04]
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mircea_popescu	cunt is kosher afaik.	[10:05]
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pete_dushenski	myup.	[10:05]
pete_dushenski	but not if there's hare.	[10:05]
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mod6	<+hanbot> mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting << ah thx! yeah, just let me know if you run into any problems/questions.	[10:20]
jurov	gotta try it too	[10:23]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167372 << with water.	[10:33]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 06:22:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?	[10:33]
asciilifeform	or did i misunderstand this question	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	but there is a penis ?	[10:33]
asciilifeform	it doesn't unscrew, no	[10:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00046459 = 30.4771 BTC [+] {3}	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	how is this resolved ?	[10:35]
asciilifeform	the original observation was about the 'susprises' in the pr0n links, rather than penii per se	[10:36]
asciilifeform	*surprise	[10:36]
asciilifeform	sorta like, i have nothing against auto tyres, and in fact own five, but i don't want one for dinner	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	but the value of pornography is novelty rather than function	[10:37]
asciilifeform	and picture if you were served a hot, steaming tyre instead of, e.g., pie	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	you don't actually fuck the screen	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	and also, i am writing like the best article ever.	[10:37]
asciilifeform	i personally swing in the direction where everything on the screen has to be recognizably woman	[10:38]
asciilifeform	but that's just me.	[10:38]
*	asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food	[10:39]
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mircea_popescu	i thought you ordered everything online.	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	text listings ? "try our delicious lasagna"	[10:41]
asciilifeform	not food	[10:41]
asciilifeform	probably don't even want to contemplate what 'online food' gets you here.	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	didn't you link some pics of soviet food and declare they made you drool a little ago ?	[10:42]
asciilifeform	aha. those - yes	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	so you do actually look at pictures of food.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	all hail me, the grand lord inquisitioner.	[10:42]
asciilifeform	and at pr0n also. when encountered in the wild, linked	[10:42]
asciilifeform	but won't go out to look for it	[10:42]
asciilifeform	because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[10:43]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167369 << litecoind is no harder to set up than bitcoind	[10:44]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 06:01:19; danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key	[10:44]
asciilifeform	incidentally, has anyone bothered to study litecoin sources and note, e.g., whether it 'gavinized' in the wake of bitcoin, and how ?	[10:45]
asciilifeform	what is it like, internally	[10:46]
asciilifeform	i personally can't be arsed to do this	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	worse.	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	and since inception	[10:46]
shinohai	Nearly all coins from the shitclone era connect to that same irc server	[10:46]
punkman	they still merge from bitcoin source	[10:46]
asciilifeform	well yes, 'worse since inception' in the documented ways	[10:47]
asciilifeform	punkman: aha!	[10:47]
asciilifeform	punkman: so did it abandon proper verification? does it 'header-first' ?	[10:47]
wyrdmantis	FYI: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/8377/focus=8382	[10:47]
assbot	Gmane Loom ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6TAlc )	[10:47]
asciilifeform	^ this lulzatron has been going for at least a week. hearn openly advocates 'gavin for fuhrer' notion	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	and why wouldn't he.	[10:49]
punkman	asciilifeform: they seem to be merging bitcoin 0.10 so I'm guessing yes	[10:49]
asciilifeform	very convenient that the idiot fork is breathing its last just as therealbitcoin is approaching something like usable status	[10:50]
asciilifeform	(re: the latter: once dns is out, and import/export-privkey are in, i will be moving my personal nodes to therealbitcoin...)	[10:51]
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mircea_popescu	reasonabru	[10:51]
pete_dushenski	http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/jack-m-mintz-albertas-bad-plays << o hey mintz reads contravex whowouldathunkit	[10:52]
assbot	Jack M. Mintz: Alberta’s bad plays \| Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6UM88 )	[10:52]
asciilifeform	gavin: sits in car, makes motions, 'vroom, vroom' hearn: 'steal it already'	[10:52]
pete_dushenski	gavin: 'but this is more fun!'	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	!b 3	[10:53]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0A1PD54.txt )	[10:53]
pete_dushenski	:)	[10:54]
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pete_dushenski	!up adam_obrien	[10:55]
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pete_dushenski	hey man !	[10:55]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167508 << porn's really more like recipes than food	[10:56]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 13:35:43; *: asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food	[10:56]
adam_obrien	Thanks @pete_dushenski	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, porn has at least the very important social function that it models female behaviour.	[10:57]
asciilifeform	it does ?!!	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	or, more properly stated : that it offers a usable, cheap counterbalance to the female community behaviour.	[10:57]
asciilifeform	this - sure	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	that thing where they gang together to try and force the male hand.	[10:57]
pete_dushenski	adam_obrien: np, and no need to use '@' ;)	[10:57]
adam_obrien	Haha - still getting used to IRC over Twitter!! AUA on reddit with Robocoin operators at 1pm EST if anyone here is interested.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	adam_obrien the correct way to use this is exactly backwards : tell would be whoevers on twitter to get into the wot.	[10:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32143 @ 0.00044619 = 14.3419 BTC [-]	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	the interest, here or anywhere, for the deeds of anyone pretending to be in cryptocurrency who doesn't meet the minimum bar of competency for that field is not unlike the interest we show scientists that can't add. "will there be nudity ?"	[10:59]
pete_dushenski	1, 2, 3, 4... nudity !	[11:00]
*	pete_dushenski recalls bus ad for 'did you know that 1/5 people has genital herpes ?' as a young man, teasing 5th kid in line that he was it. because math.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	such idiocy those ads.	[11:02]
pete_dushenski	something along the lines of '1, 2, 3, 4, jacob has genital herpes !'	[11:02]
asciilifeform	l0l and what of all the folks with arm and leg herpes	[11:02]
asciilifeform	they get no press	[11:03]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno why epidemiology is so hard to follow, but let's add two and two together. two one : the virus is not a new introduction. two two : the virus is stable aroun 16-18% infections.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	what does this mean ?	[11:03]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: because porn	[11:03]
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mircea_popescu	a) that infection is unrelated to exposure in any form ; b) that "fighting" pointless "battles" is the best way to waste public money in relative personal safety ; c) canada is broadly iliterate	[11:03]
pete_dushenski	damn, adam_obrien just left... was going to ask what 'aua' is as opposed to 'ama', and if it's 'us', who that includes. ah well.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	if you think about it, most newly introduced (ie, no equilibrium reached yet) infections go from 16% to 100% in two days	[11:05]
asciilifeform	a) isn't quite a complete description. in the folks having the particular immune quirk which lets the thing blow up into red skin etc., exposure can plant it down in new places (thing lives in nearest nerve)	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	if it's been 16% for a week, you don't get it by fucking herpetic whores bareback, you get it from being genetically broken in that way	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aha.	[11:06]
asciilifeform	my understanding is that a sufferer of, e.g., mouth herpes, could actually infect himself with penile herpes if he were sufficiently.. flexible	[11:07]
pete_dushenski	flexible, or like the mythical marilyn manson, missing lower ribs	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner	[11:08]
pete_dushenski	an 'urban myth	[11:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what's the liver to do with it ?	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	i imagine some precursor protein for the supression ?	[11:09]
asciilifeform	and why mouth ?	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	cause for some reason it's where it mostly manifests, esp in young people.	[11:09]
pete_dushenski	probably like infected ant who crawls to top of plant to be eaten by herbivore	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	even leaving aside the "we've arbitrarily divided this virus up into 3 no wait 7 no wait 16 no wait nm groups", the notion that "i don't have herpes" is to be translated as "i read very little and understand even less".	[11:12]
pete_dushenski	mouth is where the contact is with potential hosts	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	this is possible.	[11:12]
asciilifeform	my understanding is that this virus does not lodge very far from original contact.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	it's not too well understood what it does. but trivially : you don't have monolaterality in observed cases	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	(ie, there's no "upper lip left side" herpes)	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	if you look at the nerves, there's really very little contact / very good separation between the strands	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	so how does it jump from the right to the left trigeminus ?	[11:14]
asciilifeform	aha. like cabling.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[11:14]
pete_dushenski	so infection starts monolaterally and spreads within host (via saliva) to become bilateral ?	[11:15]
pete_dushenski	sounds reasonable.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also, re the liver stressing ; herpes C generates liver disease all the way to cirhosis.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	but in 80% ish of alcoholics and in 3% ish of normal people.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	how about that!	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski your saliva is eventually shat out, but little arse herpes described.	[11:16]
pete_dushenski	not that the ass is nerveless, but there's certainly a much lower density there	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	(the one medically notable thing about alcoholics is that their liver is shot)	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski less than what ? about on par with mouth and labia/penis head.	[11:17]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: ah, was going to say mouth. i may well be mistaken	[11:18]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167505 << i'm predicting a lengthy diatribe today	[11:29]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.	[11:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?	[11:34]
asciilifeform	mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	im definitely going to run a few.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you think it feasible to run one on nsa servers ?	[11:35]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?	[11:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	good thing it mostly consists of minus signs.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	tracherous thing.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	if you grep for '+' at linestarts you'll get what i actually ~added~	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	i know how diffs work omg	[11:37]
asciilifeform	(summary: not much)	[11:37]
asciilifeform	^ pointing out for n00bs mainly	[11:37]
asciilifeform	rather than mircea_popescu & co	[11:37]
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*	asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it	[11:38]
*	lobbes is a member of said audience	[11:39]
asciilifeform	there we go	[11:39]
pete_dushenski	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts	[11:40]
assbot	Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )	[11:40]
asciilifeform	my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)	[11:41]
asciilifeform	then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	if this can be had, result will become part of a 'buildroot' for pogo with swap-enabled.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	(now that we appear to have bounded memory footprint, adding swap is no longer 'slowing death' but 'slow life')	[11:42]
asciilifeform	caveat: i cannot now say ~when~ i will do this experiment.	[11:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046916 = 18.6491 BTC [+] {3}	[11:43]
asciilifeform	so if anyone would like to do it first, please go, do.	[11:43]
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mircea_popescu	aha.	[11:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00047031 = 9.3121 BTC [+]	[11:46]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: buildroot?	[11:48]
asciilifeform	aha	[11:49]
asciilifeform	!s buildroot	[11:49]
assbot	90 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot	[11:49]
thestringpuller	ty	[11:49]
asciilifeform	see also therealbitcoin mailinglist	[11:49]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev	[11:49]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[11:50]
jurov	i planned to look to the patches.. then eulora came out	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	oops.	[11:53]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/FAv6VdV.png	[11:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SrBNNt )	[11:55]
jurov	orly, google did it?	[11:56]
fluffypony	http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/lego-promoting-unrealistic-body-image-2015061899397	[12:00]
assbot	Lego ‘promoting unrealistic body image’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhthzk )	[12:00]
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*	pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.	[12:02]
fluffypony	:-P	[12:02]
pete_dushenski	not that a healthy stash of lego would hurt	[12:03]
jurov	only if you walk barefoot	[12:04]
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mircea_popescu	o yeah, used to get my mother all the time.	[12:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0004582 = 14.8915 BTC [-] {2}	[12:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00047031 = 5.1734 BTC [+]	[12:17]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- c) missed a chance to exercise imagination (use it or lose it)	[12:17]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.	[12:17]
scoopbot_revived	The problem of the state. http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/	[12:22]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- amputations you mean?	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.	[12:25]
funkenstein_	whoops wrong paste	[12:25]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.	[12:25]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167616 <-- amputations you mean?	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 14:32:03; asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?	[12:25]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.	[12:28]
pete_dushenski	but hey, lego isn't so different from any other organisation : it scales poorly	[12:28]
*	mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached	[12:30]
pete_dushenski	is that kid gavin ?	[12:31]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: nvm 3k was normal star destroyer 8k for super star destroyer	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	lol no, razvan	[12:31]
pete_dushenski	the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring	[12:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7037 @ 0.00047031 = 3.3096 BTC [+]	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	heh apparently it doesn't exist anymore.	[12:33]
pete_dushenski	moral being : don't blame the mice who made the doodles	[12:33]
pete_dushenski	lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	nearly indestructible pieces, endless mixable and matchable between sets	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	give alf a decade or two and we'll have fpga's this useable	[12:35]
pete_dushenski	*endlessly	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	i'd give him anything else rather than decades.	[12:35]
pete_dushenski	lol how about butan rocket	[12:36]
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mircea_popescu	too much like a penis.	[12:36]
pete_dushenski	too many nerve endings eh	[12:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10397 @ 0.0004499 = 4.6776 BTC [-] {2}	[12:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00043725 = 6.0791 BTC [-]	[12:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00043548 = 18.8563 BTC [-] {2}	[12:46]
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funkenstein_	so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	!up nanashi_	[12:57]
-assbot-	You voiced nanashi_ for 30 minutes.	[12:57]
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nanashi_	Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[12:59]
nanashi_	https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/	[12:59]
assbot	BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.26 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No \| closed 10 hours 21 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J62PZ7 )	[12:59]
nanashi_	Should I speak at "mircea_popescu tab" (which is (I think) more private?)	[13:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00043452 = 5.6922 BTC [-] {2}	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	i do not know you. we can't talk privately for this reason.	[13:01]
nanashi_	ok.	[13:02]
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nanashi_	Am I talking to a right person (about Freeseas bet inquiry), mircea_popescu?	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	nanashi_ havin' it looked into, a sec.	[13:05]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[13:08]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 250.56, Best ask: 250.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 250.51, 24 hour volume: 30185.22252203, 24 hour low: 243.0, 24 hour high: 253.7, 24 hour vwap: None	[13:08]
nanashi_	I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).	[13:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00045034 = 6.2611 BTC [+]	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	myeah. mod dropped teh ball, an' as a result im out a coupla bitcoins now.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	nanashi_ thanks for pointing it out.	[13:16]
nanashi_	you're welcome...	[13:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00045034 = 5.4941 BTC [+]	[13:20]
nanashi_	I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:22]
scoopbot_revived	Shaun Bridges Pleads Guilty to Silk Road Theft http://qntra.net/2015/06/shaun-bridges-pleads-guilty-to-silk-road-theft/	[13:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00045043 = 8.9086 BTC [+]	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting	[13:25]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.	[13:26]
assbot	Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )	[13:26]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that.	[13:29]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0.	[13:30]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid	[13:30]
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mircea_popescu	everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.	[13:30]
danielpbarron	sure, but block zero would still have the old unix time stamp in it, or else it wouldn't be valid, right?	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	if you hardfork you hardfork.	[13:33]
jurov	that would mean bitcoin's -1th block was at 1970-01-01 :D	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	which is why it's best left alone.	[13:34]
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mod6	<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	will sign their ips too.	[13:40]
mod6	cool!	[13:41]
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mats	https://youtu.be/0pebP891V0c	[13:57]
assbot	A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )	[13:57]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required?	[14:03]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)	[14:03]
BingoBoingo	By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon	[14:09]
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jurov	what if... someone mines such a hash that it loops back to genesis block?	[14:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00046147 = 9.5063 BTC [+]	[14:18]
danielpbarron	the timestamp is just used to figured out the difficulty	[14:19]
danielpbarron	i don't think it would invalidate things if two blocks had the same timestamp	[14:19]
danielpbarron	afaik, it has come close to happening already	[14:19]
danielpbarron	and it's a somewhat frequent occurence for the blocks to get mined "out of order" where the higher block height has a lower timestamp	[14:20]
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punkman	why is timestamp used for difficulty?	[14:23]
punkman	oh never mind	[14:24]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:26]
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ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?	[14:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:27]
assbot	The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )	[14:27]
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ascii_field	and http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/#comment-114562	[14:31]
assbot	The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )	[14:31]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167674 << soviet lego clone did not come with book	[14:34]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction	[14:34]
ascii_field	afaik	[14:34]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ?	[14:37]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.	[14:37]
ascii_field	*at what level does it no longer	[14:38]
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ascii_field	in fact, even if nothing is visibly changed, a sane rewrite is in fact arguably a hard fork	[14:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00046147 = 6.3683 BTC [+]	[14:44]
ascii_field	(see the old thread re: a hypothetical ada/spark bitcoind)	[14:44]
mats	three cheers for open sores	[14:46]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all...	[14:47]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.	[14:47]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment...	[14:49]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one	[14:49]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)	[14:49]
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mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WQ6lgZ9Aw	[15:04]
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diametric	mircea_popescu: around?	[15:32]
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diametric	;;later tell mircea_popescu my bitcoin isp server and ikvm went offline about 15 minutes ago. wondering if its just an outage or something else going on.	[15:56]
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mircea_popescu	diametric aite looking into it.	[16:08]
diametric	cool thanks	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field aye.	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.	[16:10]
diametric	whoa	[16:11]
diametric	yay for ddos	[16:11]
diametric	possible to get a sample capture?	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	ima see.	[16:11]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it's unlikely it'll roll over without complaint. for one thing what's 0xFFFF - 0x0000 ? is it < 10 ?	[16:16]
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BingoBoingo	as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format	[16:17]
ascii_field	gotta love folks who write proggies using fixint time after 'y2k'	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.	[16:19]
ascii_field	this is rather elementarily obvious, imho	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.	[16:20]
ascii_field	but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten	[16:21]
ascii_field	that 'fixint time' Must Die (TM) i imagine is not controversial	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	it's only controversial in that most of the "participants" have nfi.	[16:21]
ascii_field	(notice i did not say '32-bit time')	[16:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3947 @ 0.00045034 = 1.7775 BTC [-]	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	technically ignorance is a side to any controversy	[16:21]
ascii_field	only in the sense that fleas on the dogs are contenders in the 'iditarod' races	[16:27]
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jurov	well.. some databases use 'double' for the time	[16:40]
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jurov	with one day being == 1.0	[16:41]
ascii_field	fixed bit count time field >> braindamaged	[16:42]
jurov	what do you propose? ISO format?	[16:44]
ascii_field	bigint	[16:44]
ascii_field	(there are many ways to encode 'this is how long, and what follows is the integer itself)	[16:45]
jurov	encode dates in UTF-8?	[16:46]
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ascii_field	obligatory: http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html	[16:46]
assbot	Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1erxxix )	[16:46]
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jurov	but seriously, certain experiences make me wary of using naked numbers for datetime, i always exchange stuff using ISO 8601 format and always with timezone	[16:47]
jurov	the database can save them as it wants as long i can get same thing as i put in	[16:48]
trinque	why's parsing a single integer more dangerous than parsing a complicated string?	[16:49]
trinque	*in your view	[16:49]
jurov	1. losing timezone is risky	[16:49]
trinque	store as UTC with a separate tz field	[16:49]
jurov	are you certain you ceonverted everything to utc?	[16:50]
trinque	sure	[16:50]
jurov	2. js needs to multiply the value 100x	[16:50]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:50]
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jurov	3. you can't visually check the dates looks right	[16:50]
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jurov	etc.etc.	[16:50]
ascii_field	jurov: what time could you ever want that can't be recovered from epoch time ?	[16:50]
jurov	i can be never sure i have put epoch time in	[16:51]
ascii_field	fuck 'timezones' with red-hot poker	[16:51]
trinque	mircea_popescu: I tend to ignore their existence except at the last step before display	[16:51]
ascii_field	and ditto 'leap seconds' etc	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather people had to get used to the fact they a) live in shitlandia so sunrise is at 4pm and b) they're shitlords that live in the dirt and so their interests areen't being catered to	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	than me having to keep changing the time.	[16:51]
ascii_field	^^	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	fuck it, make one planet time and whoever doesn't fly enough can eat a bag of dicks.	[16:51]
trinque	yeah, that would be much better	[16:51]
ascii_field	earth time.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	timezone is about as braindamaged as "colorsmell"	[16:52]
jurov	i have put a code in coinbr that checks for mandatory timezones and pops an excpetion otherwise	[16:52]
jurov	and it saved my ass several times	[16:52]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: 'colorsmell' << as in what lsd users get ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	yeh	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	synestupidia.	[16:53]
ascii_field	'gmt' exists	[16:53]
ascii_field	but probably not what mircea_popescu had in mind	[16:54]
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mircea_popescu	bbl	[16:54]
nubbins`	have never smelled colour on lsd	[16:54]
ascii_field	nubbins`: but what of the opposite, the colour of a smell ?	[16:55]
nubbins`	smelled ozone yesterday while shorting the control panel on a 240V conveyor dryer o.O	[16:55]
trinque	yeah, my perception of the various senses gets diddled to the extreme, but they have never mixed	[16:55]
nubbins`	ascii_field nothing nearly as organized as that :D	[16:55]
nubbins`	salvia divinorum is way more likely to induce synesthesia anyway	[16:56]
nubbins`	unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating	[16:57]
nubbins`	or w/e it was :D	[16:57]
*	nubbins` suspects mp was sold oregano as a kid and smoked it	[16:57]
mats	i vaguely remember mp being stoned a few months ago	[16:58]
ascii_field	iirc there exist 'true hallucinogens' where the user retains not a shred of doubt that the hallucinated sensations correspond to reality; and a 'false' kind, where there is doubt, and to which most extant hallucinogenic dope falls into	[16:58]
mats	something about the stuff being stronger than last decade or w.e	[16:59]
ascii_field	but having never accessed either personally, i cannot comment	[16:59]
trinque	nubbins`: salvia is a hell of a drug	[16:59]
nubbins`	+oo	[16:59]
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nubbins`	ascii_field "jimson weed" (datura) hallucinations are generally interpreted as being genuine	[17:00]
nubbins`	i.e. user does not feel impaired but will imagine cigarettes, people, etc	[17:00]
ascii_field	i also recall that the 'true hallucinogens' are generally taken once and 'wtf why did i do that'	[17:00]
nubbins`	trip reports for that shit on Erowid.org were always fun to read	[17:00]
nubbins`	yup.	[17:00]
nubbins`	most of the stories end in the hospital or the police station	[17:00]
trinque	I've heard terrible things about datura	[17:00]
nubbins`	people trying to sell drugs to toilets, etc	[17:01]
mats	all i did was walk around naked	[17:01]
mats	that sounds more fun	[17:01]
nubbins`	sounds very un-fun	[17:01]
nubbins`	LSD, psilocybin etc more "augment" things than anything else	[17:02]
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trinque	nubbins`: I tend to think of LSD as abstract-reasoning overdrive serum	[17:07]
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ascii_field	trinque: there is apparently ample record of folks using very small (a few microgram) doses precisely this way	[17:08]
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trinque	ascii_field: yep, too much and your brain becomes useless, multicolored mush	[17:08]
ascii_field	trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope	[17:09]
nubbins`	SWIM definitely took a half-tab and attended math class more than once at uni	[17:09]
mats	lol	[17:09]
nubbins`	ascii_field dark markets offer impossibly reliable plausible deniability	[17:09]
ascii_field	nubbins`: l0l at morons having dope mailed to their postbox	[17:09]
trinque	^	[17:09]
mats	pick up a reagent kit if you're going to do that	[17:10]
ascii_field	and lacking own gas chromatograph to see precisely what is in	[17:10]
nubbins`	ascii_field you realize that i could mail dope to your mailbox today, yes?	[17:10]
mats	actually, that should go without saying	[17:10]
ascii_field	nubbins`: i check it every day, for some reason no dope...	[17:10]
nubbins`	and if one day the dope shows up... what crime did you commit?	[17:10]
ascii_field	and no invitations from chinese emperor	[17:10]
nubbins`	owning a mailbox?	[17:10]
ascii_field	nubbins`: the crime of being nominated for police watch while checking mail	[17:10]
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ascii_field	the mayor of the town where i live had this set up for him	[17:11]
ascii_field	they machine-gunned his dogs	[17:11]
nubbins`	o.O	[17:11]
ascii_field	aha. some bozo (opponent?) mailed him a fat crate of dope	[17:11]
nubbins`	so you take package from mailbox and lay it on your table for an hour.	[17:11]
ascii_field	and tipped off the police prior	[17:11]
ascii_field	they sat, watched	[17:11]
mats	thats brilliant	[17:12]
nubbins`	also, fat crate of dope != lsd	[17:12]
ascii_field	sure.	[17:12]
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nubbins`	SWIM had to retrieve from garbage once due to extreme stealth on part of seller	[17:13]
ascii_field	fits in the comma at the end of a printed sentence. but for actual scientific self-experimentation a la alex shulgin one needs ~known~ dose	[17:13]
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ascii_field	not simply 'this is a postage stamp with some amount of lsd'	[17:13]
*	nubbins` nods	[17:13]
nubbins`	vials of pure liquid are less common nowadays	[17:13]
nubbins`	tho still available	[17:13]
ascii_field	no 'dark'-anything will ever sell you a known amount of whatever.	[17:13]
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nubbins`	if you say	[17:13]
ascii_field	it's a strictly 'wot' sort of affair	[17:14]
ascii_field	like buying plutonium	[17:14]
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nubbins`	what, you think i pop online and choose a random vendor each time? :D	[17:14]
ascii_field	nubbins`: unless vendor is also the producer (this is, as i understand, uncommon for opsec reasons) you in fact ~are~ 'choosing random'	[17:15]
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nubbins`	drugs are cut by dealer, not distributor	[17:17]
ascii_field	nubbins`: lsd is unstable in solution. and so it would stand to reason that it is parceled out to the 'stamps' where produced.	[17:18]
ascii_field	but i cannot say for certain.	[17:18]
mats	unstable in all forms	[17:19]
nubbins`	"As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."	[17:20]
nubbins`	^ from tihkal	[17:20]
ascii_field	originally sold (by sandoz) in, iirc, ampules.	[17:20]
mats	hmm	[17:20]
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nubbins`	clear glass ones	[17:20]
nubbins`	!up ascii_field	[17:20]
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nubbins`	UV light destroys it in short order	[17:21]
nubbins`	my understanding is that crystal is dissolved in solution by producer, then laid by distributors, but i'm sure there are as many arrangements as producers and distributors	[17:21]
nubbins`	SWIM's source says they receive crystal and lay their own blotters, but as you say -- who knows?	[17:22]
nubbins`	short of sending some to a lab, all we have is subjective commentary	[17:22]
nubbins`	the original SR had an lsd review team w/ access to a lab	[17:23]
nubbins`	regularly tested tabs and posted analysis	[17:23]
mats	the most common arrangement i've seen is a solution of everclear and lsd	[17:23]
ascii_field	regularly tested tabs and posted analysis << they aren't in my wot...	[17:23]
nubbins`	this is true. they're in mine, tho :D	[17:23]
nubbins`	https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml	[17:24]
assbot	Erowid Online Books : "TIHKAL" - #26 LSD-25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li2Qtf )	[17:24]
nubbins`	related reading for the curious	[17:24]
*	ascii_field owns the dead tree of 'pihkal' and 'tihkal'	[17:24]
nubbins`	oooooo	[17:25]
nubbins`	LSD-25 is (i think) the only substance that doesn't include qualitative comments	[17:25]
nubbins`	with the excuse given that there are plenty already and it would be absurd to cherry-pick a handful of his own	[17:25]
ascii_field	aha	[17:25]
*	ascii_field often wonders if he's the only man alive to have 1) read the books 2) wanted to taste the items described therein 3) could not	[17:26]
nubbins`	nope.	[17:26]
punkman	I'd say that holds for the majority of readers	[17:27]
nubbins`	i read he was really into cacti in his later years	[17:27]
nubbins`	died recently iirc	[17:27]
ascii_field	punkman: i suspect that the majority of readers ~could~ obtain at least one or two of the items found in the pages	[17:27]
nubbins`	hoffman famously lived to the ripe age of 102	[17:27]
ascii_field	died last year, i think	[17:27]
nubbins`	ascii_field didn't we just establish that you could taste these things but choose not to? :D	[17:28]
ascii_field	nubbins`: i could taste mystery meat	[17:28]
ascii_field	but why would i want to do that.	[17:28]
nubbins`	that's why you buy from a website instead of a street dealer	[17:28]
nubbins`	purchase LSD on the street and i almost guarantee you'll be purchasing an NBOMe	[17:28]
nubbins`	purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?	[17:29]
ascii_field	wake me up when they're in my wot, and not opsec-retarded	[17:29]
*	nubbins` roughly shakes ascii_field	[17:29]
nubbins`	WAKE UP	[17:29]
punkman	I was recently shown a website that sold legal LSD analogues via credit card	[17:29]
nubbins`	remember RAC research?	[17:29]
ascii_field	'analogues' l0l	[17:29]
ascii_field	in usa actually we have an 'analogues act'	[17:29]
ascii_field	specifically for folks like this	[17:30]
nubbins`	^	[17:30]
nubbins`	https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2026	[17:30]
assbot	Culture - DEA arrests most Research Chemical vendors under the name 'Operation Web tryp' - Drugs Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li3nvj )	[17:30]
ascii_field	^ more than one such, even	[17:30]
nubbins`	i had always wondered if those research chem sites were legit	[17:30]
nubbins`	turns out they were :P	[17:30]
ascii_field	so legit they helpfully kept records of all names...	[17:30]
nubbins`	8)	[17:31]
nubbins`	;;google JLF poisonous non-consumables arrest	[17:31]
gribble	Arresting Vendors of Grey Market Psychoactives - Psychonaut: ; The Strange Case of Mark Niemoeller \| Alternet: ; Erowid Research Chemical Vault : Not in Kansas Anymore...: (1 more message)	[17:31]
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punkman	nubbins`: did you ever try AL-LAD?	[17:32]
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nubbins`	haven't had the pleasure	[17:33]
ascii_field	until we have a way of dematerializing physical objects and reconstituting them in a remote place without traceable motion in-between, like bits, pretty much everyone who is willing to be involved on the supply side of dope economy is retarded	[17:34]
nubbins`	extracted LSA once	[17:34]
ascii_field	because it selects for this	[17:34]
ascii_field	just like bitcoin-fiat exchanges!	[17:34]
nubbins`	ascii_field that's why we're on the demand side, not the supply side	[17:34]
nubbins`	it's a win-win situation for the purchaser	[17:34]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: okay what is your rationale on this?	[17:34]
ascii_field	dealing with the retarded is - at the very least - very foolish.	[17:34]
punkman	nubbins`: depends on location	[17:35]
ascii_field	thestringpuller: see thread ?	[17:35]
nubbins`	punkman the minimum requirement is that the supplier be located in your country.	[17:35]
nubbins`	it is simply not feasible to discover LSD in domestic mail	[17:35]
ascii_field	nubbins`: it is equally difficult to discover what in particular you actually got in that mail.	[17:36]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: i've been following it you never really clarified why the supply side is specifically retarded unless I missed that line?	[17:36]
nubbins`	ascii_field an open marketplace ensures the substance, if not the dosage.	[17:36]
scoopbot_revived	France Issues Humor Related Travel Warning For Visitors to the United States http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-issues-humor-related-travel-warning-for-visitors-to-the-united-states/	[17:37]
nubbins`	ascii_field besides, let's say you know the dosage down to the ug. What difference does that make?	[17:37]
nubbins`	person x will react differently than person y to the same dose.	[17:38]
kakobrekla	ascii_field i think nubbins` volunteers to be your test subject	[17:38]
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nubbins`	so your tabs are 150ug instead of 200ug.	[17:38]
*	nubbins` waves hands dramatically	[17:38]
ascii_field	nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'	[17:38]
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nubbins`	ascii_field the sensible thing is to purchase a ten-strip, start low and see what happens.	[17:38]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[17:38]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EAMJVC.txt )	[17:38]
nubbins`	coincidentally, this is the same procedure used when dealing with a known quantity.	[17:39]
ascii_field	how the hell do you even know which end of the strip is 'low' ?!	[17:39]
nubbins`	heh.	[17:39]
nubbins`	i mean start with a low dose	[17:39]
nubbins`	like, say, a half tab.	[17:39]
nubbins`	didn't work so well? you have 9.5 remaining	[17:39]
nubbins`	try a full one	[17:39]
ascii_field	and if you want same thing again ?	[17:39]
nubbins`	take another half!	[17:40]
ascii_field	pray to god to send you the same concentration of strip ?	[17:40]
punkman	ideally you'd want a properly diluted solution and a dropper	[17:40]
nubbins`	ascii_field well, after your TWENTY half-hit trips, you'd probably buy another ten-strip and start the process over again.	[17:40]
nubbins`	do you suppose you'd want to do this more than 20 times?	[17:41]
ascii_field	suppose.	[17:41]
nubbins`	so the next time, get the same vendor to sell you 50.	[17:41]
ascii_field	and repeat same circus again ?	[17:41]
mats	its always going to be a gamble	[17:41]
mats	laying LSD is not an exact process	[17:42]
nubbins`	"circus" = taking a small dose, yes	[17:42]
ascii_field	would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ?	[17:42]
mats	if you want to measure dosage, get liquid	[17:42]
nubbins`	ascii_field if otherwise unavailable, yes.	[17:42]
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mats	people already tolerate this with coffee, caffeine tablets are a more reasonable alternative, right	[17:42]
nubbins`	people DO already tolerate it with coffee	[17:42]
nubbins`	cigarettes, marijuana, birthday cake...	[17:42]
ascii_field	the caffeine in the weakest and strongest cup of coffee does not vary by orders of magnitude.	[17:43]
nubbins`	imagine the burden, though, of having to eat like 2 hits of LSD to figure out an appropriate dose for the other 48.	[17:43]
nubbins`	the horror!	[17:43]
nubbins`	ascii_field the LSD from a single vendor doesn't vary by orders of magnitude either	[17:43]
nubbins`	in my wot-based experience, anyway ;p	[17:43]
nubbins`	20ug vs 200? might as well sell blank paper.	[17:44]
nubbins`	2000ug instead of 200? business: you're doing it wrong	[17:44]
ascii_field	nubbins`: how much blank paper have you eaten so far ?	[17:44]
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nubbins`	none	[17:45]
nubbins`	single-purchase customers does not a business make	[17:45]
nubbins`	it's much more lucrative to sell what's advertised	[17:45]
*	ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00045003 = 52.9685 BTC [+] {4}	[17:46]
mats	lol	[17:46]
*	nubbins` wonders why alf is paralyzed by imaginary chains of inaction	[17:46]
ascii_field	because they are not imaginary.	[17:46]
*	nubbins` nods	[17:46]
nubbins`	gotcha	[17:46]
ascii_field	see earlier re: the mayor.	[17:46]
ascii_field	and he didn't even ~ask~ for the dope	[17:46]
ascii_field	picture if i spoke here of having asked for it.	[17:46]
thestringpuller	the crack smoking mayor of toronto?	[17:47]
ascii_field	(that's the root misconception behind the pseudolegalism of 'it is not forbidden to receive dope in the mail')	[17:47]
nubbins`	listen, i can't do anything about the fact that your police regularly kill innocent people	[17:47]
nubbins`	all i'm saying is that you absolutely, 100%, can purchase drugs online safely	[17:48]
ascii_field	i don't doubt that when the time comes, they will find a watertight reason to demolish my house, with me in it, in the middle of the night	[17:48]
ascii_field	but they will have to do better than 'bought dope on shit road'	[17:48]
nubbins`	so take a trip before your number gets called.	[17:48]
nubbins`	!up ag3nt_zer0	[17:48]
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nubbins`	welcome	[17:48]
nubbins`	brb	[17:48]
ag3nt_zer0	nubbis`: thanks	[17:49]
ag3nt_zer0	Nubbins`: thanks	[17:50]
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nubbins`	!up ascii_field	[17:51]
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ag3nt_zer0	sorry ahead of time for the remedialism... so I attempted to encrypt my first txt by following this: gpg –output [message.txt.gpg] –encrypt –recipient [your@friend.org] [message.txt]... however, this is what I got... usage: gpg [options] [filename] - any advice would be welcome...?	[17:52]
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nubbins`	ag3nt_zer0 try --option instead of -option?	[17:57]
nubbins`	e.g. --output etc	[17:57]
nubbins`	some related lore, for those interested: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364	[17:57]
assbot	The "THUMBPRINT" - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li6d3C )	[17:57]
shinohai	And of course ensure that you have your friend's key imported	[17:58]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: am I attempting the impossible by just trying to encrypt it to my own key and send to myself for a check?	[18:08]
shinohai	try sending it to me: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE33585713E184252	[18:09]
assbot	Public Key Server -- Get "0xe33585713e184252 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRIF28 )	[18:09]
ag3nt_zer0	nubbins: thanks the double dash worked	[18:18]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: i got somewhere but it says "there is no assurance this key belongs to the named user"	[18:18]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: that's because marking the key as certainly your friend's key is something you do, and something you shouldn't do casually	[18:19]
shinohai	That's normal. It just means you can't know for sure it is me unless I give you the key in person.	[18:19]
shinohai	>.>	[18:19]
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shinohai	!up ag3nt_zer0	[18:20]
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ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: gpg: can't open `gpgmessage.txt': No such file or directory	[18:21]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167669 <<< i always thought the pirate ship was lego's piece de resistance	[18:21]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 15:21:32; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.	[18:21]
shinohai	So you make a text file, call it gpgmessage.txt (or whatever) and save it	[18:22]
ag3nt_zer0	yes	[18:22]
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ag3nt_zer0	do I need to put the path in there? after --output?	[18:23]
shinohai	yes or cd to the absolute path	[18:24]
ag3nt_zer0	ok duh	[18:24]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/3TTaw.jpg [asset of the day]	[18:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IRJLed )	[18:25]
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ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: did you receive?	[18:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00045603 = 37.7821 BTC [+] {2}	[18:28]
cazalla	shinohai, bit mousy looking but nice	[18:31]
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shinohai	Yeah cazalla a bit of a butterface but for dat ass I'll make exceptions.	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13054 @ 0.00044821 = 5.8509 BTC [-]	[18:32]
cazalla	ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P	[18:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00046682 = 19.5131 BTC [+] {3}	[18:39]
shinohai	I try to find some like mp likes, but never any girls with strike my fancy. So I guess he has monopoly on cocks	[18:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10196 @ 0.00046673 = 4.7588 BTC [-]	[18:51]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167968 <<< ya read about that montfortRC darknet dealer who put like 12 people in the hospital with his stuff?	[18:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 20:25:11; nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?	[18:52]
nubbins`	o.O	[18:52]
cazalla	mind you it was roids or some shit but asciilifeform's point sorta stands.. they got mystery meat	[18:53]
shinohai	Most people cba with test kits, and instead just put whatever substance they get in the mail inside them.	[18:54]
funkenstein_	highly recommended on the topic: Graham Hancock's banned TED talk on the war on consciousness	[18:54]
cazalla	http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3a0b0p/fuck_you_montfort_you_did_this_i_was_going_to/cs85xzo	[18:55]
assbot	World177 comments on FUCK YOU MONTFORT. YOU DID THIS. I WAS GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkiGfD )	[18:55]
cazalla	dealer had an assortment of mystery meats it would seem lol	[18:56]
trinque	jeez	[18:56]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Don't post np links here, we don't want b-a warriors shadowbanned for brigading	[18:56]
funkenstein_	guess i'm an old man, i never heard of any of those chems in that thread	[18:57]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, nfi why it is even in the url, gotta sub or something?	[18:58]
funkenstein_	personally i am more comfortable with darket markets than hospital pharmacies	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: The fis is deleting the np. part	[18:58]
trinque	I've gambled on too many farts (and made it out ok) to keep doing so	[18:59]
cazalla	on a related note.. some medical centres in australia are prescribing ketamine off label for depression	[18:59]
trinque	would much rather have a sane society and an above-ground vendor of recreational chemicals	[18:59]
BingoBoingo	Not to worried about it beyond people wanting to fuck with homo reddictus and getting their hate hidden	[18:59]
Adlai	"provider... recognised mistake and told me he had shipped acetylfentanyl instead and apologized and agreed to send 200g of methylone for free to compensate." sounds like everything went Better Than Expected™	[18:59]
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Adlai	we apologize for shipping guns which fire backwards. we will arm your next army with twice as many guns and we promise they'll shoot forwards this time!	[19:01]
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funkenstein_	this kind of thing is the number one cause of death in babylon, referred to as medical errors	[19:04]
jurov	lol the log got..er...high	[19:07]
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jurov	!up ag3nt_zer0	[19:15]
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jurov	have you reg'd with assbot yet?	[19:15]
mats	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/330359969813770242	[19:15]
ag3nt_zer0	hi, thanks jurov, no I have not	[19:15]
mats	>camelcase	[19:15]
ag3nt_zer0	still trying to figure out how encrypt and send a message properly	[19:16]
ag3nt_zer0	does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac?	[19:16]
ag3nt_zer0	tried sending to shinohai but got a string of numbers he said were not correct looking at all	[19:17]
shinohai	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DFk5bQ1g << for reference.	[19:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GknnGj )	[19:18]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: thanks	[19:18]
jurov	oh you forgot --armor	[19:18]
jurov	by default gpg spews binary	[19:18]
shinohai	That never crossed my mind for some reason.	[19:19]
ag3nt_zer0	jurov: thanks. do I place that between --encrypt and --recipient?	[19:19]
jurov	gpg --armor --sign --encrypt -R A179E169 < niggers.txt > encrypted.txt	[19:20]
jurov	^ example	[19:20]
ag3nt_zer0	haha ok	[19:20]
shinohai	That's hilarious jurov because I saved a dum file earlier and named it "niggers.txt"	[19:20]
jurov	!s niggers.txt	[19:22]
assbot	62 results for 'niggers.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.txt	[19:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32996 @ 0.00044821 = 14.7891 BTC [-]	[19:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17622 @ 0.00043856 = 7.7283 BTC [-]	[19:25]
*	funkenstein_ doesn't get it	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	Also don't forget to set the .conf for them or you get Ferguson/Baltimore	[19:28]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: http://pastebin.com/9vPaT5ih	[19:30]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org hQEMA7S - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkpI3Q )	[19:30]
funkenstein_	BingoBoingo, explain please	[19:31]
BingoBoingo	!s niggers.conf	[19:32]
assbot	2 results for 'niggers.conf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.conf	[19:32]
mats	https://www.yahoo.com/style/at-the-recent-69th-annual-tony-awards-the-121675123143.html heh	[19:32]
assbot	How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZcTSg )	[19:32]
shinohai	Well ag3nt_zer0 you encrypted it woth your own key, instead of my public key	[19:32]
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mats	the acronym gets longer every year	[19:33]
shinohai	otherwise thats it	[19:33]
ag3nt_zer0	Gender Fluid? don't step in that!	[19:33]
funkenstein_	one can use the word nigger to comedic value sure..	[19:34]
funkenstein_	but what's the reference to fascist police action?	[19:34]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: can you pm me?	[19:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00043825 = 4.7988 BTC [-] {2}	[19:36]
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BingoBoingo	funkenstein_: niggers.conf is how you set the police. If you go with the insane defaults they tend to go a bit crazy with the oppression.	[19:38]
mats	casual racism is the norm here	[19:40]
funkenstein_	:D	[19:41]
cazalla	it's not even really racism	[19:42]
shinohai	We know there aren't any niggers here, how they going to find a school?	[19:43]
funkenstein_	you mean no police here?	[19:44]
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mats	what?	[19:44]
BingoBoingo	Most niggers are white nowadays	[19:44]
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jurov	i thought most whites are niggers	[19:47]
jurov	or gypsies	[19:47]
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jurov	!up gares	[19:48]
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jurov	!up paxtoncamaro91_	[19:48]
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menahem	;;later tell mircea_popescu Your shirt is a hit, http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu - By chance, do you have your previous header image ? The b&w one, you pointing, looking fierce ? I think it'd be killa on a tee.	[19:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:50]
assbot	2015-06-19_0007 - Saucal's library	[19:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00043779 = 13.0899 BTC [-]	[19:54]
jurov	menahem pick one: http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/	[19:56]
assbot	Index of /wp-content/themes/trilema/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhtzS )	[19:56]
menahem	yesss! thank you jurov	[19:57]
menahem	was looking for http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_apr2015.jpg	[19:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhT9h )	[19:58]
kakobrekla	but did you actually sell any of them?	[19:58]
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menahem	yea 1 MP tee, then we had an order this morning for a bitpixel one	[19:59]
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menahem	a lil weekend job, throw it up, post some links, make some passive cash	[20:01]
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mats	;;view menahem	[20:03]
gribble	Error: No orders found matching these criteria.	[20:03]
mats	might be worth your time to put it in the -otc order book	[20:03]
cazalla	for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/	[20:03]
assbot	CoinBR Acquires Coinverse in Latest Exchange Merger ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwFlJ )	[20:03]
menahem	mats, awesome idea, i'll look into it, ty.	[20:04]
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mats	https://youtu.be/f7wkRET0hbo	[20:11]
assbot	RATATAT - ABRASIVE - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZkEaL )	[20:11]
trinque	mats: ooh another single... ty	[20:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43586 @ 0.00043624 = 19.014 BTC [-] {3}	[20:19]
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trinque	!up ag3nt_zer0	[20:26]
*	assbot gives voice to ag3nt_zer0	[20:26]
ag3nt_zer0	ty	[20:26]
trinque	yw	[20:26]
ag3nt_zer0	!register	[20:27]
assbot	That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.	[20:27]
mats	https://soundcloud.com/wknd/chet-faker-x-wknd-lover	[20:27]
assbot	Chet Faker x SAINT WKND - Lover by SAINT WKND \| Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZo0KN )	[20:27]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint your@email.com	[20:27]
ag3nt_zer0	!register	[20:29]
assbot	That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.	[20:29]
trinque	closer, but no <> and no spaces	[20:30]
ag3nt_zer0	hehe thx	[20:30]
ag3nt_zer0	!register E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7	[20:31]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7. This may take a few moments.	[20:31]
assbot	Key F91576C7 / "AgentZero " successfully imported.	[20:31]
assbot	Registration successful.	[20:31]
ag3nt_zer0	hey!	[20:31]
mats	you're a person nao	[20:31]
*	trinque claps	[20:31]
ag3nt_zer0	oh wow I even have a +... thought I still had to earn that!	[20:32]
trinque	!gettrust ag3nt_zer0	[20:32]
assbot	Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/	[20:32]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: ^	[20:32]
trinque	you are voiced, but that's temporary	[20:32]
ag3nt_zer0	so cool... even though I a still figuring out what the hell it all means... hehe	[20:32]
ag3nt_zer0	trinque: oh ok yeah I see	[20:33]
trinque	!rate ag3nt_zer0 1 new blood	[20:33]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/80782cd1c926b412	[20:33]
trinque	!v assbot:trinque.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:ff6e7d96ebfbbe7ecce6a0c6e3e4045c153184dd0283b7b2afc1437fb81ea10e	[20:34]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: new blood	[20:34]
trinque	!gettrust ag3nt_zer0	[20:34]
assbot	Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/	[20:34]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: you may now self-voice.	[20:34]
ag3nt_zer0	trinque: thanks! are those links supposed to be dead ends? all of them appear to be except this... which says user not found... http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/	[20:36]
assbot	WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZpODI )	[20:36]
trinque	that site updates every so often	[20:36]
ag3nt_zer0	ok	[20:36]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: give voicing yourself a shot	[20:38]
ag3nt_zer0	well trinque, jurov, shinohai - thanks alot for your guys help today!	[20:38]
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ag3nt_zer0	!up ag3nt_zer0	[20:39]
ag3nt_zer0	trinque: I think I got something... first I got: -assbot- Insufficient rights, ag3nt_zer0, !up yourself on PM first.	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00043419 = 23.4463 BTC [-] {4}	[20:42]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: assbot wants you to send the up request via pm	[20:42]
mats	/query assbot !up	[20:42]
ag3nt_zer0	so I did this: ag3nt_zer0 !up ag3nt_zer0	[20:42]
ag3nt_zer0	and now have echoing private messages with self... is that what was supposed to happen?	[20:43]
*	trinque thwacks ag3nt_zer0 with a zen stick	[20:43]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: run mats command without the space in front	[20:44]
ag3nt_zer0	haha was just about to say I think I have bothered you guys enough for one day!	[20:44]
mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spicm13kLMk the other released song in this album	[20:44]
assbot	Ratatat - Cream on Chrome - Live from Coachella, April 11, 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZro8E )	[20:44]
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mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7uXE_lEzxI	[20:55]
assbot	Live CTF v2: The Hard Reboot (Episode 2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRTS2v )	[20:55]
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punkman	http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-elliptic-startup-anti-money-laundering-tool-get-banks-interested-cryptocurrency-2015-6	[20:59]
assbot	Bitcoin: Elliptic says its anti-money laundering tool could get banks interested in cryptocurrency - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZtPbh )	[20:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44008 @ 0.00044599 = 19.6271 BTC [+] {2}	[20:59]
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trinque	"to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious	[21:01]
trinque	as opposed to their fiat holdings	[21:01]
punkman	yeah gotta remember how HSBC turned down all those mexicans drug dealers	[21:02]
trinque	I'm sure everyone involved was punished	[21:03]
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trinque	customary punishment in banking circles is being buried by a dumptruck full of cash, I've heard	[21:03]
menahem	lol	[21:09]
menahem	this was just released http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/banc/rep/rep12jun15-e.pdf	[21:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HZvI7M )	[21:09]
menahem	nothing worth noting, mostly "take a hands off approach and wait"	[21:09]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium	[21:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 23:57:28; trinque: "to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious	[21:52]
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trinque	hey, look there	[21:57]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: bravo	[21:57]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah thanks to you trinque hehe	[21:58]
ag3nt_zer0	5 thumbs over here haha	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It wouldn't be the first time	[22:00]
trinque	well, now you know how to make curl and gpg kiss	[22:00]
trinque	inventing bullshit certifications is great business	[22:00]
trinque	reminds me of hearing about someone selling licenses for open source software	[22:01]
trinque	due to govt requirements	[22:01]
ag3nt_zer0	trinque: yes, very cool!	[22:02]
asciilifeform	trinque: sco ?	[22:04]
trinque	heh no, but them too	[22:04]
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mats	TIL GNU wdiff is a thing	[22:41]
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asciilifeform	http://www.underhanded-c.org << this year's winners	[23:05]
assbot	The Underhanded C Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1InKdy8 )	[23:05]
asciilifeform	^^^ required reading for all 'sappers'	[23:05]
asciilifeform	(technically last year. this year's contest not yet began)	[23:06]
asciilifeform	first place medalist is a mega-masterpiece	[23:06]
BingoBoingo	^ Added to the 21 year plan	[23:06]
asciilifeform	this one was nsa-themed, too	[23:07]
asciilifeform	'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.'	[23:07]
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asciilifeform	'The underhanded goal is this: write surveil() in such a way that the act of surveillance is subtly leaked to the user or to the outside world. PiuPiu can not reveal the act of surveillance, but your function is technically able to edit the Piu or user structure during scanning. Find a way to alter that data (this alone is a bit of a challenge, since you are not supposed to alter the data, just scan it) in such a way that an i	[23:07]
asciilifeform	nformed outsider can tell if someone is being archived. The leakage should be subtle enough that it is not easily noticed.'	[23:07]
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decimation	asciilifeform: C macros are of the devil	[23:43]
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