Forum logs for 18 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu ;;tslb [00:10]
gribble Time since last block: 1 minute and 38 seconds [00:10]
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TheNewDeal any audio electronics experts in the crowd? [00:28]
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mircea_popescu 7k words and not yet done, jesus god this article hates me. [01:00]
ben_vulpes http://success.shithouse.tv/ [01:02]
assbot X-Rob +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [01:02]
mircea_popescu !up X-Rob [01:03]
-assbot- You voiced X-Rob for 30 minutes. [01:03]
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mircea_popescu now how the hell does that work. [01:03]
TheNewDeal the one you're writing now? [01:03]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot x-rob [01:03]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user x-rob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=x-rob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=x-rob | Rated since: Mon May 16 20:47:55 2011 [01:03]
X-Rob I'm xrobau [01:03]
X-Rob ;;ident [01:03]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG [01:03]
mircea_popescu ;;rated x-rob [01:04]
gribble You rated user x-rob on Sat Aug 16 18:49:40 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol.. [01:04]
mircea_popescu ;;rated xrobau [01:04]
gribble You have not yet rated user xrobau [01:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla whay did assbot just record a fail ? [01:04]
X-Rob Anyway, all I was sayin was what I messaged you - I saw you mention GPG, and I wrote an abstraction layer for it. [01:05]
X-Rob http://git.freepbx.org/projects/FREEPBX/repos/framework/browse/amp_conf/htdocs/admin/libraries/BMO/GPG.class.php?at=refs%2Fheads%2Frelease%2F12.0 [01:05]
assbot Source of GPG.class.php - framework - FreePBX GIT [01:05]
X-Rob It's stupid, but it's stupid in well defined ways [01:05]
mircea_popescu by now we're two in the hole [01:05]
mircea_popescu gpg started life as exactly this. [01:05]
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mircea_popescu hey BingoBoingo you here ? [01:05]
X-Rob specifically, line 282 is the function that captures that information [01:06]
X-Rob There /are/ reasons for it being stupid - and the reasons as ALWAYS 'backwards compatibility'. [01:07]
mircea_popescu i c. [01:07]
X-Rob s/as/are/ [01:07]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal yeah [01:07]
X-Rob re x-rob/xrobau in gribble - I lost the GPG key for 'x-rob', and haven't really had the enthusiasm to try to get the account deleted so I can recreate it. [01:08]
X-Rob and I'm xrobau everywhere APART from IRC, so it hasn't bothered me that much [01:08]
mircea_popescu oh so you're not logged as x-rob ? [01:08]
X-Rob ;;ident [01:08]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG [01:09]
X-Rob ^^^ xrobau [01:09]
mircea_popescu o i c. [01:09]
mircea_popescu ;;rated x-rob [01:09]
gribble You rated user x-rob on Sat Aug 16 18:49:40 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol.. [01:09]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate x-rob [01:09]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for x-rob. [01:09]
mircea_popescu ;;rate xrobau 1 splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol... [01:09]
assbot Unattanium: Broken by design. | Bitcointa.lk [01:09]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xrobau has been recorded. [01:09]
mircea_popescu NOW it'll work. [01:09]
X-Rob Thanks 8) [01:09]
mircea_popescu nm kakobrekla, problem was between user and CHAIR [01:09]
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mircea_popescu from #eulora : "chetty> so all these people pounding on server for days and 1 crash (mod6 tried to beat up a rock and combat is not something we have done anythng with)." [01:10]
mircea_popescu WHY SO VIOLENT MOD6! [01:10]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: anyway, tl;dr: GPG is broken at first look, but it's not really. [01:11]
mircea_popescu i agree. [01:11]
mircea_popescu but if you want to write a piece about how bad it is, why not make it plausible at least was the question. [01:12]
X-Rob heh [01:12]
X-Rob Anyway, that code I pasted is AGPL3, but I'm thinking I may re-publish it as MIT or something, as it's hard for people to do GPG correctly without knowing a pile of behind the scenes stuff [01:13]
mircea_popescu i don't even recall what afero says [01:14]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: AGPL is just GPL, with the addition of 'if you provide ACCESS to the code, you have to release it.' [01:18]
mircea_popescu ah [01:19]
mircea_popescu ah i recall, the thing they did to ruin the possibility of os game servers. [01:19]
mircea_popescu stupidest idea ever. [01:19]
X-Rob I use it because people take our open source webapp, make piles of modifications, and then don't give the changes back [01:20]
mircea_popescu which webapp is that ? [01:20]
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X-Rob http://git.freepbx.org/projects/FREEPBX/repos/framework/browse/amp_conf/htdocs/admin/libraries/BMO/GPG.class.php?at=refs%2Fheads%2Frelease%2F12.0 [01:23]
assbot Source of GPG.class.php - framework - FreePBX GIT [01:23]
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X-Rob I'll give you one guess 8) [01:23]
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mircea_popescu freepbx.org ? [01:28]
X-Rob Well, yes, FreePBX [01:29]
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mircea_popescu this is pretty cool and something long entertained here. i suspect decimation's gonna be all over you, among others :D [01:31]
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mircea_popescu the current thinking is more like "if we need freepbx we'll go to ham radio!!!" [01:32]
mircea_popescu !s ham radio [01:32]
assbot 10 results for 'ham radio' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ham+radio [01:32]
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X-Rob I used to be an amateur radio operator, a long time ago. VK2JGY. Often hanging aroud on 6 meters (50MHz) and 2 meters (144MHz) [01:37]
TheNewDeal what does that mean [01:38]
TheNewDeal just the channels to tune in to? [01:38]
X-Rob TheNewDeal: it's a range, yeah. [01:39]
TheNewDeal and the 6 meters refers to signal amplitude? [01:39]
X-Rob TheNewDeal: It's actually the wavelength. 50mhz has 6 meters between peaks [01:40]
TheNewDeal bah, couldn't think of the word [01:40]
X-Rob All good [01:40]
X-Rob it's not something we expect muggles to know [01:40]
X-Rob to steal another word [01:41]
TheNewDeal i'm only half muggle [01:41]
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TheNewDeal did mech engineering schooling at the university, added in some computer science and robotics [01:42]
X-Rob cool [01:42]
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mircea_popescu no, i expect anyone to know what wavelength is. [01:53]
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RagnarDanneskjol https://github.com/freepbx [01:58]
assbot FreePBX GitHub [01:58]
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TheNewDeal i just couldn't think of the word [02:02]
TheNewDeal or perhaps I just didn't understand what wavelength was [02:03]
mircea_popescu FEELBAD.GIF! [02:05]
X-Rob RagnarDanneskjol: we clone our internal stash to github, because we're nice. [02:07]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/dr.html updated [02:07]
assbot Derp Report [02:07]
RagnarDanneskjol cool [02:08]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron gimme a moment to finish this monster and be right with you. [02:08]
danielpbarron i've also been keeping track of it on twitter http://twitter.com/hashtag/DerpReport [02:09]
assbot Twitter / Suche - #DerpReport [02:09]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, here are mine https://www.dropbox.com/s/eu4vcgv706cgr6l/cazalla_forum_posts.html apologies for dropbox link, i was going to setup my own site but apache2 has changed since last time i used it and i haven't figured it out yet [02:13]
assbot Dropbox - cazalla_forum_posts.html [02:13]
cazalla danielpbarron, i borrowed your html, hope that's ok [02:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00071254 = 4.774 BTC [-] [02:15]
danielpbarron i think it's too simple for me to lay any claim [02:16]
assbot xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [02:17]
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ThickAsThieves sup folks [02:17]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/fountain-of-girl/ [02:17]
assbot Fountain of Girl [02:17]
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mircea_popescu !up xanthyos [02:17]
-assbot- You voiced xanthyos for 30 minutes. [02:17]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves alt nearly died! [02:17]
xanthyos also danielpbarron you don't believe in intellectual property [02:17]
ThickAsThieves how?! [02:19]
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ThickAsThieves i leave for one week! [02:19]
ThickAsThieves Cryptsy not processing my withdrawals for 8+hrs, what is this, MPEx? [02:20]
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TheNewDeal lol [02:21]
ThickAsThieves is it a good or bad thing that you can now threaten customer service "If you don't fix this, I'll start a Reddit riot." [02:21]
thestringpuller !s onename.io [02:21]
assbot 3 results for 'onename.io' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=onename.io [02:21]
TheNewDeal Tat any response yet from the gubbermint on usms sale? [02:21]
ThickAsThieves nope, they said early Aug [02:21]
ThickAsThieves ides hath passed [02:21]
TheNewDeal bastids [02:22]
ThickAsThieves btcusd is a big short party now [02:22]
mircea_popescu %d [02:22]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 168336.15 in 1935 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -91.04 [02:22]
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mircea_popescu !up bitmia [02:23]
-assbot- You voiced bitmia for 30 minutes. [02:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5803 BTC [-] [02:23]
TheNewDeal why do you say that tat? [02:23]
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mircea_popescu btcusd is a big short party now << and yet it stilkl stays this side of 500. [02:23]
bitmia heya everyone! what does it take to get listed on mpex? [02:23]
mircea_popescu must suck to be the most powrful country in the world, can't even blend a strawberry. [02:23]
mircea_popescu ;;google how does one get listed on mpex [02:23]
gribble How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; By definition the rightful owner of any coins is "he who can ... - MPEx: ; Why List On MPEx? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: [02:23]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [02:24]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.55, Best ask: 494.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 494.4, 24 hour volume: 10395.88635699, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 524.8, 24 hour vwap: 502.83360296 [02:24]
ThickAsThieves 500 having a hard time tho [02:24]
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TheNewDeal blend a stawberry? [02:26]
bitmia mircea_popescu: thanks, I've actually read your post. however it still isn't clear if it'd get listed if you personally don't like the idea or consider the business venture to be pointless [02:27]
RagnarDanneskjol whats the business plan? [02:27]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust bitmia [02:27]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:27]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitmia: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitmia | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitmia | Rated since: never [02:27]
mircea_popescu seems to me you're not there yet. [02:27]
bitmia I'm not, it's for the future :) [02:27]
TheNewDeal his identity is secret, like his business plan [02:27]
mircea_popescu well okay, so in the future when you'll be you won't be able to have a bad idea anymore. [02:28]
ThickAsThieves if the owner of a business doesnt like you and finds you pointless, how can you expect to do business? [02:28]
mircea_popescu it's how this wot thing works and why it's so painful [02:28]
mircea_popescu also why idiots stay away : they'd rather nurse a bevy of retarded ideas than actually do some work. [02:28]
ThickAsThieves bitmia, is that like bitcoin for veterans nonprofit or something [02:29]
bitmia perfectly clear, thanks [02:29]
ThickAsThieves ;;google powmia [02:29]
gribble POW/MIA flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The National League of POW/MIA Families — The National League ...: ; Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office: [02:29]
TheNewDeal can you update the trilema listing article to include 1) be less retarded. [02:30]
ThickAsThieves less? [02:30]
TheNewDeal well what do you expect, all the retardation to just up and disappear? [02:30]
ThickAsThieves silly me [02:31]
TheNewDeal i'd think a slight reduction is the most one could ask [02:31]
TheNewDeal perhaps "be minimally less retarded" could do [02:31]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well the wot part is there. [02:32]
mircea_popescu it stands pars pro toto. [02:32]
TheNewDeal true true [02:33]
ThickAsThieves coinbase has had Buying disabled for days, bitfinex is fixing large market orders, usms isnt revealing auction details... hmm [02:34]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves final push is final. [02:36]
mircea_popescu did diddly squat to boot. [02:36]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ [02:37]
assbot Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform jurov ^ :D [02:37]
thestringpuller whoa coinbase has disabled buying? [02:37]
thestringpuller HAHA [02:37]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm back [02:37]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so what's the atc pool situation ? where's X-Rob to point his miner ? [02:38]
ThickAsThieves dignork last i heard coinbase said all buys will be Fri market buys [02:39]
thestringpuller yea 501 [02:39]
BingoBoingo To coinminer would probably be great actually now [02:39]
RagnarDanneskjol coinbase has been playing that game for a long time - anytime market shifts >15% in either direction. fukin bozos [02:40]
BingoBoingo Coinminer's actually paying us roughly proportionally to our power nao [02:41]
dignork i have multiple pending buys, all scheduled for +6 days from the time of purchase, never followed if they actually keep the schedule though. [02:42]
BingoBoingo And the username it wants is the address it pays to in the coinbase transaction, so super verifiable [02:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo give the guy the details pls ? [02:42]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol you don't understand "professional" and "wall street" like teh media vcs do. [02:43]
RagnarDanneskjol diginork - beware, those orders might go through anytime - and never leave those pending orders with them - they resume trading as soon as their books level off, just keep refreshing if you must use them [02:43]
RagnarDanneskjol right [02:43]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: Check your PM's [02:44]
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dignork Oh, you probably mean express/immediate whatever they call it buy, i nerver managed to set it up, so it always was few days for me. [02:46]
RagnarDanneskjol ok [02:46]
ThickAsThieves i just mean knowing what price youre paying is important [02:46]
RagnarDanneskjol yes, that help [02:46]
RagnarDanneskjol s [02:46]
dignork oh, the price is defined when you give the order [02:47]
TheNewDeal what's the coinbase situation? [02:47]
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RagnarDanneskjol right, the delivery time is variable/inconsistent [02:47]
ThickAsThieves sure, but they did/do have it to where people can't buy whenever price is low [02:48]
dignork it's not a proper exchange with hi/lo order limits anyway [02:48]
RagnarDanneskjol right [02:48]
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ThickAsThieves wonder if it's an issue on the way up [02:49]
RagnarDanneskjol yes, they suspend normal service anytime price momentum shifts by x% either direction [02:50]
TheNewDeal i've heard of them doing that approx 1 year ago, have they been caught doing it again recently? [02:51]
ThickAsThieves i dunno, they are going in the wrong direction if they wanna live though [02:52]
RagnarDanneskjol yep, still doin it on the regular or so I've been told by 'inside sources' [02:52]
ThickAsThieves 1% fee, increasing info requests, market unpredictability [02:53]
TheNewDeal most definitely [02:53]
TheNewDeal and they rely on bitstamp [02:53]
RagnarDanneskjol they are literally a proxy for bitstamp [02:54]
mircea_popescu a badly managed proxy. [02:55]
mircea_popescu i dunno why the surpriose, it was never the case that coinbase was respected or respectable. [02:56]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ [02:56]
RagnarDanneskjol yep. i stopped using them over a year ago, am just fine paying street xchange fees whenever I ned usd now. Fortunately, in SoCal, I can spend btc all over the place, rarely need to convert anymore [02:57]
ThickAsThieves no surprise, only topical i guess [02:58]
decimation X-Rob, that's pretty neat to have a freepbx dev here. There needs to be some method to move some of this onto shortwave [03:00]
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TheNewDeal ragnar, do you buy any btc at all? The localbitcoin prices around here are like 105% bitstamp minimum, more like 110% for anyone with some feedback [03:06]
RagnarDanneskjol sure, I'm always buyin too [03:07]
ThickAsThieves too bad i live in fl, sounds like a good living [03:07]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal that's the situation universally. i keep getting offered in excess of 110% by ppl looking to buy. [03:08]
mircea_popescu !up weex [03:08]
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weex thanks mircea_popescu [03:08]
ThickAsThieves is that new? assbot reporting failed auth? [03:08]
mircea_popescu so what's all this stuff on the forum ? [03:08]
weex been a while since i was rated for anything [03:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah. [03:08]
RagnarDanneskjol I have a good relationship with these guys, they tend to offer me descent rayes to buy or sell: http://comps.biz [03:09]
assbot galimi on LocalBitcoins.com [03:09]
TheNewDeal I'm confused though, I would figure there would be a discount on cash [03:09]
RagnarDanneskjol nope, is the time and service you're payin for [03:10]
ThickAsThieves and the tax avoidance prolly [03:10]
RagnarDanneskjol yea that too [03:10]
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dignork TheNewDeal: also for potential somewhat anonymity [03:10]
TheNewDeal they're avoiding tax with the sale though as well [03:11]
mircea_popescu cash is generally a liability when compared to bitcoin. [03:11]
mircea_popescu the thing with it is that it's a minor liability, when compared to major liabilities such as banking pseudobux. [03:12]
BingoBoingo lulzy convo http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/17#l1408237255 [03:12]
assbot BitcoinStats [03:12]
mircea_popescu however, the only people who accept the latter are people who also have some sort of insulation in place, so they don't actually care. [03:12]
mircea_popescu which is how cash ends up paradoxically undiscounted. [03:12]
ThickAsThieves i was thinking about how bitcoin exchange scam stories will never end really [03:13]
ThickAsThieves the power to make bitcoins will only get more and more tempting [03:13]
ThickAsThieves by exchange, i mean websites, not localb [03:14]
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ben_vulpes "when they do work for it they roughly feel so used." << oh god its so rough [03:15]
mircea_popescu lol check out my aznenglish [03:16]
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ben_vulpes the usage... [03:19]
ThickAsThieves lol bitfinex just increased leverage from 2.5 to 3 [03:19]
ThickAsThieves just after the longs got shook down a day ago [03:20]
mircea_popescu that thing looks shaky as fuck. [03:20]
mircea_popescu they just mostly failed a round of looking for moneyz i hear. [03:20]
ThickAsThieves interesting [03:21]
ThickAsThieves they also hired mjr [03:21]
mircea_popescu that was a while ago apparently. [03:21]
BingoBoingo Oh, that's in the lawgz [03:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, lots of "failed to close financing" stories begin to pop up. [03:21]
ThickAsThieves i have sinned, not read logs for like 5 days [03:21]
mircea_popescu past few weeks or so. [03:21]
mircea_popescu stop living a normal human life ThickAsThieves [03:21]
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ben_vulpes cannot be normal and deep in bitcoin [03:22]
ThickAsThieves it wasnt even a normal human life, i just kinda needed to shut out even more of the world for a bit [03:22]
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RagnarDanneskjol these long annotations exceeding blogged content are rather marvelous [03:23]
RagnarDanneskjol "Sure the super-heroine that cooks very well, enjoys her bukkake work and is a F1 pilot by day could exist, just like the sharpshooter specialist in classical Greek literature with a side of stockbrokering could exist. The odds however are too one in ten trillion for the mere ten billion population of the planet to provide. We have enough trouble getting eleven people together that can w [03:23]
RagnarDanneskjol ell chase a leather ball, let alone these sorts of SF works." [03:23]
BingoBoingo ;;ud NORP [03:23]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NORP | NORP. Acronym for "Normal Ordinary Respectable Person." Used as a pejorative by those who consider themselves part of the counterculture. "This party ... [03:23]
mircea_popescu X-Rob 20 months is roughly 8 weeks and 2/3rds so how about nine weeks! [03:23]
RagnarDanneskjol re - univ jammer: http://mwrf.com/systems/analyzing-active-cancellation-stealth [03:24]
assbot Analyzing Active Cancellation Stealth | Systems content from Microwaves & RF [03:24]
mircea_popescu 2 months* [03:24]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: 9 wedeks. [03:25]
X-Rob Sure [03:25]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: sure, sorry [03:25]
X-Rob (was just asked to make it public)( [03:25]
mircea_popescu ok, so start tomorrow or w/e it expires, BingoBoingo gives you details, i'll pay you in advance for first week [03:25]
mircea_popescu addy ? [03:25]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: ok, 9 weeks, 2BTC for AusMiner-3 [03:25]
ThickAsThieves is this payment to mine ATC or ? [03:27]
mircea_popescu ys. [03:27]
ThickAsThieves for WoL, or? [03:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ this is for you. [03:27]
ThickAsThieves the motherland? [03:27]
mircea_popescu well you made a broken scamcoin i'm stuck rescuing >.< [03:28]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [03:28]
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ThickAsThieves i'll chip in if the ATC end up somewhere agreeable [03:28]
X-Rob mircea_popescu:1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is my address, and you're comitting to pay to that address .22BTC per week for 9 weeks, for a total of 1.98BTC. First payment will be within 24 hours, and then every 7 days after that. If you miss a payment, the deal is void, and I'll feel really annoyed, as I'm leasing below cost now, to average the price. [03:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798601 also relevant to your interests. [03:28]
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BingoBoingo They end up in MPIF ThickAsThieves [03:29]
mircea_popescu ill make it .24 for the first one so it comes out to an even 2 btc. [03:29]
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ThickAsThieves ah word [03:29]
ThickAsThieves once again, i'm useless [03:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you can rent his other rig for a few hours to help cut through the current glut. [03:30]
mircea_popescu rather than getting depressed for no reason. [03:30]
ThickAsThieves lol [03:30]
X-Rob Rig is currently leased for another 15 hours - http://i.imgur.com/ROf8FAl.png [03:30]
X-Rob And I need to find out why the big one is slow. [03:30]
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mircea_popescu ah the 12.7th hthing is idle ? [03:31]
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decimation X-Rob: do you generally find that you can lease your rig for more than what the forecasted average payback should be? (on a per megahash per day basis) [03:31]
X-Rob decimation: yes. always. But that's because I provide a guaranteed hashrate, and I know what I'm doing. [03:32]
X-Rob I normally aim for 10% above theoretical [03:32]
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decimation The mind reels. I guess people are willing to pay a premium for virgin coin? [03:32]
X-Rob and I idle against p2pool, too, which is almost always at 105% luck [03:33]
X-Rob decimation: It rarely mines btc. [03:33]
decimation I guess if you rent enough solo-mine capacity it becomes a casino game [03:33]
X-Rob I have found a couple of blocks for solo miners. [03:33]
X-Rob I found a 101G block, for a gujy who was solo mining. [03:34]
mircea_popescu X-Rob how much do you like mining anyway ? [03:34]
X-Rob that was pretty damn awesome. [03:34]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: I'm more of an engineer. I like setting it up and doing all the management [03:34]
X-Rob Actually ending up with coins is just the end result. [03:34]
X-Rob I have more fun with network design 8) [03:35]
mircea_popescu that's like, the one type this chan was missing, someone who actually enjoys that part. [03:35]
ThickAsThieves nice [03:35]
decimation seems like a surprisingly profitable business actually [03:35]
X-Rob Nah [03:35]
X-Rob It's just not as MUCH of a suckers bet as mining btc [03:35]
ThickAsThieves Altcoin brings new blood to the chan too [03:35]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: But only when it's dying [03:36]
decimation X-Rob: what do you pay for electricity there in australia? [03:36]
ThickAsThieves antifragility, baby! [03:36]
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BingoBoingo ;;rate X-Rob 1 He's going to point his hash somewhere [03:37]
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X-Rob BingoBoingo: IT'S 'XROBAU' [03:38]
X-Rob wups [03:38]
X-Rob new keyboard [03:38]
X-Rob thanks [03:38]
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BingoBoingo ;;rate xrobau 1 Going to point his hash, issues corrections [03:38]
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X-Rob decimation: A lot, but, I happen to have a power generation station as a customer, and I have a couple of racks in their computer room that I get for free. [03:38]
mircea_popescu lawl. [03:38]
decimation heh that makes it good business then [03:39]
mircea_popescu embedded fucking systems, a bitcoin story. [03:39]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [03:40]
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ThickAsThieves "There’s Bitcoin and that’s it, because there can only be one. All the rest of the crap exists only inasmuch as a) it stays theoretical or b) it stays small enough nobody cares. Where a) and b) are only distinct in the derp point of view, otherwise they’re the same thing." [03:43]
ThickAsThieves Then why fund mining ATC? [03:43]
ben_vulpes lulz [03:43]
mircea_popescu cuz i can. [03:44]
ThickAsThieves i find myself saying that more often lately [03:44]
decimation ThickAsThieves: because controlling the alternatives demonstrates power [03:45]
mircea_popescu decimation alternatively, how would you distinguish between atc and btc ? [03:45]
mircea_popescu an exact clone with a financial bridge. what is the distinction ? [03:45]
decimation technically not so much. only which is first in time [03:45]
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ThickAsThieves and we haz no Altcoin Core Developers [03:46]
mircea_popescu atc is strategically important because take for instance the link ThickAsThieves dropped from -dev earlier. [03:46]
ThickAsThieves :) [03:46]
ThickAsThieves i think you mean Bingo's link [03:46]
mircea_popescu so here is a "witness" bitcoin, v 0.6 and there is your "improved" 0.10 (lulzy that it's not 1.0 anymoar) [03:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ah yes my bad. [03:46]
decimation right, so it's a parachute as well [03:46]
ben_vulpes http://otakugangsta.com/post/95026643800 [03:47]
assbot OTAKU GANGSTA [03:47]
mircea_popescu decimation more a witness. "so what is the net benefit of all your monkeying ? what doom have you avoided, what riches brought on ?" [03:47]
ThickAsThieves I'm the Altcoin Chief Scientist [03:47]
ThickAsThieves take that Gavin [03:47]
decimation indeed, memorializing Bitcoin v0.6 or whatever could serve many purposes [03:47]
mircea_popescu in this sense atc appreciating against btc is quite a negative signal for the power rangers. [03:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves which version is it even ? do you know ? [03:48]
ThickAsThieves i used to know [03:48]
ThickAsThieves pankake would know [03:48]
ben_vulpes %t [03:48]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [03:48]
ThickAsThieves it might be in logs too [03:48]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [03:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.53, Best ask: 509.89, Bid-ask spread: 3.36000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 10382.96421929, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 524.8, 24 hour vwap: 501.785089495 [03:48]
ThickAsThieves and source is on github [03:48]
mircea_popescu decimation aren't you impressed with two idiots that don't even know wtf version they cloned [03:48]
mircea_popescu eventually outperforming the "scientists" and "foundations" and whatnot ? [03:48]
ThickAsThieves at least i'm not on NSA payroll! [03:49]
mircea_popescu exactly. [03:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38785 @ 0.00071218 = 27.6219 BTC [-] {4} [03:49]
mircea_popescu X-Rob 155b26aa0cb0f83f78dd8226bebf104a27f0f03c099f6a9ed690cd7028554822 [03:50]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: fyi, just running a test of the big rig against that pool [03:50]
mircea_popescu and btw, if you don't get paid come and bitch, you're definitely getting paid just i may forget. [03:50]
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decimation that's a depressing conversation. THey would have a point of reference if someone actually documented the protocol. [03:52]
mircea_popescu derp. [03:52]
mircea_popescu welcome to 2012. [03:52]
ThickAsThieves i remember when they forked, and there was outcry for documentation after [03:53]
ThickAsThieves that was like a year ago [03:54]
ThickAsThieves more [03:54]
mircea_popescu yeah, a year after i had been beating them over the head at every turn to fucking do it for like a year BEFORE that. [03:54]
mircea_popescu fucktards. but anyway. [03:54]
mircea_popescu the war that is with the gear you got. [03:54]
BingoBoingo %p [03:55]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 8.62 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [03:55]
mircea_popescu %d [03:56]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 168599.82 in 1934 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -91.02 [03:56]
decimation what about those guys writing the altnerative implementation? did they get their version working? [03:56]
decimation these guys https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/btcd [03:56]
assbot btcd - ConformalOpenSource [03:56]
mircea_popescu decimation btcd you mean ? [03:57]
mircea_popescu it's moving along from what i hear. [03:57]
mircea_popescu definitely useful as a counterweight to hearn & co. [03:57]
decimation good, perhaps from this effort some documentation will rise [03:57]
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mircea_popescu not avoidable. [03:59]
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X-Rob mircea_popescu: ok I found a block, you should see at least one transaction against that account ID [04:02]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: I see it [04:02]
mircea_popescu %d [04:02]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 170331.42 in 1933 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.93 [04:02]
midnightmagic fwiw, conformal's btcd segfaults if you sprinkle a forced garbage collection in the wrong place (wtf?), it built a block which some portion of testnet rejected and built a massive fork on over a period of a week, eventually crashing bitcoind (which perhaps suggests that it was btcd's own mining code that created the fork) and they keep taking credit for other peoples' ideas with a tremendous amount of completely unnecessary [04:02]
X-Rob BingoBoingo: sweet. [04:02]
midnightmagic hostility. :( [04:02]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic the hostility is very necessary. [04:03]
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mircea_popescu the rest... myeah. still got problems. [04:03]
midnightmagic setting side the superior net work that cooperating small groups can produce, if they did in fact come up with those ideas their hostility for other people "stealing" them would perhaps be a tad more warranted. [04:05]
midnightmagic but I'm glad they have an alternative implementation running and syncing. [04:06]
midnightmagic we need more of those that can act as full nodes minus mining [04:06]
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mircea_popescu cooperation is the bane of small anything. the reason afghanistan is stil a state whereas the united kingdom is a us dependency has everything to do with the mutual hostility of small groups of afghans. that aside, very little creative work is required or indeed desired in this soup. [04:07]
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mircea_popescu losing sight of this basic concept is part of what makes the power rangers so retarded. [04:07]
midnightmagic i agree at that level. :) I'm talking five-ten people. [04:07]
midnightmagic creative cryptography is the only thing that will scale us. :( [04:08]
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decimation midnightmagic: what kind of cryptographic problem must be solved? [04:10]
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mircea_popescu no noteworthy advance in cryptography has ever - in three thousand recorded years - the work of a group of five people, let alone ten [04:15]
mircea_popescu two are usually plenty, just gotta find the right two. [04:15]
decimation yeah, mythical man month and all that. [04:18]
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X-Rob mircea_popescu: ok, when this lease is over, it should automatically switch over to that pool. [04:27]
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mircea_popescu cool. [04:31]
mircea_popescu cazalla pls to pastebin k ? [04:31]
mircea_popescu dpaste.com pastebin.com talke your pick [04:31]
cazalla sure, 1 sec [04:32]
cazalla http://pastebin.com/VjZYNgfW [04:34]
assbot August 17, 2014 http://whrl.pl/Rd3hmd http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpo - Pastebin.com [04:34]
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mike_c wtf, twoplustwo is talking about ethereum now?? [04:35]
mircea_popescu http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-forum-classified-ads/979604-get-social-bitcoin-store-theme-huge-bonus-discount-create-your-own-ecommerce-store-today.html#post9439874 << lol i think that's what counts for major custom coding on wf, danielpbarron [04:35]
assbot Get Social Bitcoin Store Theme With HUGE BONUS & DISCOUNT - Create Your Own eCommerce Store Today [04:35]
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midnightmagic ehh.. a brainstorming group of people can generate and then refine, an idea faster than a singular person working alone if the idea is complex. see BIP32 for example, which is the idea of one or two people, but was furthered and fleshed out by more than one. [04:39]
midnightmagic decimation: how to represent changes in the blockchain reasonably securely without having the entire blockchain available, for example [04:39]
mircea_popescu ehh.. a brainstorming group of people can generate and then refine, an idea faster than a singular person working alone if the idea is complex. << statement doth not equal proof. [04:41]
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midnightmagic working on a codebase of sufficient size is not reasonably doable for a single person, even if that person is working full-time. Temporarily divergent codebases similar to, e.g. NetBSD and OpenBSD, are an excellent example of the fruits of multiple, medium-sized groups working on partially-divergent codebases who together created more in a cohesive whole than either group did on their own. [04:41]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: That's why I gave an example. :) [04:41]
mircea_popescu this is why you split codebases into things a person can handle. [04:41]
mircea_popescu the original unix/linux model. [04:41]
mircea_popescu not some derpy dept of microsoft inspired contraptio. [04:41]
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mircea_popescu cazalla "People like Vitalek who spout off at the mouth are going in the wrong direction and taking you with them, making themselves richer and you poorer in the process." what's more, the you+them sum is also poorer. but yeah. [04:44]
midnightmagic wtf is up with them anyway [04:45]
mircea_popescu who ? [04:45]
midnightmagic ethereum [04:45]
mircea_popescu i would submit they're past their prime and the what has already been heard of them is the most that'll ever be heard of them. [04:46]
mircea_popescu exactly a la neobee and it's take over cypruss paper-only revolution. [04:46]
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-assbot- You voiced ADG_ for 30 minutes. [04:46]
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midnightmagic sooo much money [04:46]
midnightmagic (relatively) [04:47]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Nice work on the venues page [04:49]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: images? [04:51]
thestringpuller ;) [04:51]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: it's coming [04:51]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: thanks [04:51]
thestringpuller :D [04:52]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Payouts function coming too? [04:52]
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mike_c ben_vulpes: login still feels buggy.. i just logged in successfully, but am now logged out. [04:53]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 92(Y):8(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.36983186 BTC. Current weight: 96,855. [04:53]
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copumpkin that seems poorly worded [04:54]
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ben_vulpes mike_c: do you recall the sequence of pages that you hit? [04:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14746 @ 0.00071113 = 10.4863 BTC [-] {2} [04:57]
mike_c i was on venue page. logged in separate tab. then clicked 'purchase ads' [04:57]
mike_c it said 'you're not logged in'. clicked other pages, same result. [04:58]
mike_c so logged in again, then it worked. [04:58]
mike_c also, i just bought ad for 8/18-8/19, and it is showing now. [05:00]
BingoBoingo !mpif [05:00]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] [05:00]
mike_c fuck, is it 8/18 already in london? [05:00]
mike_c ok, that one is my fault. [05:01]
ben_vulpes sorry gotta bail for a sec guys, but yeah utc. i'll add a callout, sry mike. [05:02]
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mike_c no problem. [05:02]
mike_c 2 hour donation to vanads. [05:02]
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mike_c feature suggestion: given text ads, simple parameters, an api would be nice. [05:04]
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ben_vulpes i want to make an api as well! [05:13]
mike_c step 1: make OTP like gribble so i can curl it [05:14]
ben_vulpes right? :D [05:14]
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ben_vulpes still, i have to polish this ball of mud to the point where people besides our little cult will throw money at it, and other people are willing to put its ads on their sites first. [05:14]
mike_c well isn't that what we're talking about? [05:15]
ben_vulpes ofc. [05:16]
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ben_vulpes i still have to prioritize all the possible things to do [05:16]
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TheNewDeal finarry [05:21]
TheNewDeal !s pgp [05:22]
assbot 520 results for 'pgp' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pgp [05:22]
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BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/2014/08/16/3352879/us-transcom-to-send-out-teams.html [05:23]
assbot SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE: DOD, where's my car? Transcom searches for missing vehicles | Top Stories | News Democrat [05:23]
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mike_c %p [05:23]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.42 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.49 TH/s [05:24]
TheNewDeal so far what I have learned from A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: long keys are unsightly, shrink them down to a size that can be visually verified by a human [05:24]
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dignork TheNewDeal: gpg has a fingerprint, relatively short string identifying a key, it can be visually verified by human. [05:28]
TheNewDeal didn't even think of that. Was a joke nonetheless [05:28]
TheNewDeal or more, poking fun at said article [05:28]
RagnarDanneskjol dood where's my car - thats good lulz [05:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00071377 = 8.2797 BTC [+] {2} [05:33]
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thestringpuller dude where's my gpg key? [05:42]
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TheNewDeal is A Wealth of Nations a good read? [06:04]
BingoBoingo Sure [06:05]
ben_vulpes step 1: make OTP like gribble so i can curl it << i'm leaning more towards a gpg-encrypted api; that is to say, curl -X POST -d file_with_signcrypted_order_blob.txt api.van-ads.com/v1/drinkingrecord/buy [06:05]
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ben_vulpes i'm not *not* making you a gribble-style endpoint, just pondering aloud [06:06]
BingoBoingo %p [06:13]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.45 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [06:13]
BingoBoingo %d [06:13]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 170384.84 in 1932 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.93 [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0007105 = 7.1761 BTC [-] [06:15]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> WHY SO VIOLENT MOD6! << haha. [06:31]
mod6 that was pretty funny. i just had gotten started in eulora, and hadn't figured out how to pick anything up yet. so i tried to fight it. [06:35]
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mircea_popescu mod6 it is pretty funny [06:41]
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mircea_popescu !up rdekley [06:42]
-assbot- You voiced rdekley for 30 minutes. [06:42]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal> is A Wealth of Nations a good read? << not bad. [06:43]
TheNewDeal seems like I'm getting meh reviews. On with the HG Wells then [06:44]
mircea_popescu "My trust in government is roughly 0% ... the problem is my faith in people and companies to get over their fear of government and change the status quo is also 0%. For that reason, even if the flaws in Bitcoin could be resolved, the fact that it exists outside of the government's control of the financial sector adds a huge element of risk. " [06:45]
mircea_popescu these people. [06:45]
mircea_popescu his faith in govt is 0% yet things not in the govt add a huge element of risk. [06:45]
mircea_popescu logic, for people who can't add. [06:45]
mod6 hehehe [06:45]
mircea_popescu "i like saying that racism is bad to try and score chicks and i hate niggers and spics." [06:46]
mircea_popescu "i have no trust in government and anything not the government is mean and bad." [06:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00071058 = 14.1405 BTC [+] [06:47]
TheNewDeal I like the ring of that [06:48]
mircea_popescu mad props for reducing the whole story to the familiar form of the ron paul debate tho. "the flaws in bitcoin" and "people do things" [06:48]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, bitcoin is flawless and nobody needs to do anything whatsoever [06:48]
TheNewDeal I wonder if someday these people will be forced into understanding, or continue to be galavanting neurosis [06:49]
mircea_popescu here's an element of risk : visa misplaces something to the tune of 1k payments EACH MONTH. [06:49]
mircea_popescu total btc payments that didn't go where they were supposed to or got lost to date ? 0. [06:49]
mircea_popescu that's an infinity of orders of magnitude better, or as many as you can count. flaws in bitcoin my left foot. [06:50]
ben_vulpes pshaw [06:50]
ben_vulpes perhaps an academic distinction, but the people misfire all the time [06:50]
mircea_popescu purely academic. [06:50]
mircea_popescu im not discussing the millions of txn that get misfired on the ccs. [06:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11851 @ 0.0007117 = 8.4344 BTC [+] {2} [06:53]
BingoBoingo ;;gettrust ben_vulpes [06:56]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 [06:56]
danielpbarron !up usagi [06:56]
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usagi thanks [06:57]
usagi I'll be back in a second, some contractors are over here now [06:57]
danielpbarron only got 30 minutes; every second counts.. [06:58]
TheNewDeal usagi's in the house! [06:58]
TheNewDeal !s usagi [06:58]
assbot 1457 results for 'usagi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usagi [06:58]
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BingoBoingo !up RagnarsBitch [07:04]
BingoBoingo !up RagnarDanneskjol [07:04]
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usagi Yeah I haven't been here in 9 months [07:05]
usagi I've been busy. But today is a big day :) [07:05]
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TheNewDeal new scams on the horizon? [07:06]
usagi A red letter day [07:06]
usagi TheNewDeal; Hmm, well I don't really follow the securities forum anymore [07:06]
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usagi Wouldn't klnow [07:06]
TheNewDeal what were you involved with? [07:06]
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usagi Well I ran TU.SILVER, BMF, etc. [07:07]
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TheNewDeal what happened, if you could give me the tldr [07:07]
usagi Sure [07:07]
usagi I'm getting the funny feeling you are insinuating I've been scamming without actually knowing what went on [07:08]
usagi I don't think you're cutting me a fair deal. That's also fair in a way, I can't make you like me. But don't waste my time kay [07:08]
TheNewDeal It was mostly a joke [07:08]
usagi Hehe [07:08]
Duffer1 is internet, hate first, question later [07:08]
Duffer1 :P [07:08]
usagi Well basically I ran Tu.SILVER on bitfunder, and when bitfunder closed down I had to ship everyone their silver [07:08]
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TheNewDeal part of the agreement from the gitgo? [07:09]
ben_vulpes ;;ud gitgo [07:09]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October  ... [07:09]
usagi The deal with TU.SILVER is the same as with BMF. It never wanted to close, but it did because the exchange folded. In TU.SILVER's case, we were a depository. So there are still a few customers who have not requested their silver [07:09]
usagi I have about 20oz or so lying around belonging to others [07:09]
TheNewDeal dibs [07:10]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust usagi [07:10]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012 [07:10]
usagi The other side of the coin is over here on #assets [07:10]
usagi If you have been here for any length of time you are aware the regulars here like to name drop that I am a scammer [07:10]
TheNewDeal most definitely [07:10]
usagi It's a bunch of horeshit, but it is what it is. [07:10]
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TheNewDeal not sure about your case in particular, but they usually can smell a scam out before it stinks [07:11]
usagi In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him. [07:11]
usagi So he put me on ignore and that's that, I'm never getting out of this prison [07:12]
TheNewDeal oooh that's a bold statement [07:12]
TheNewDeal can you out think him? [07:12]
usagi We all have our specialities [07:12]
TheNewDeal If I were a scammer, I know which one I would prefer [07:12]
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usagi To be honest the main reason I dont come here so often is because it is a waste of time :/ [07:13]
usagi Very few of my business ever came from IRC, and all of the negativity did [07:13]
TheNewDeal gotta compare the opportunity cost [07:13]
usagi I've made much more avoiding it [07:13]
usagi Besides I deal in physical things, real estate, and education -- these are not the sort of businesses that get funding here [07:13]
danielpbarron you have no idea [07:14]
usagi Well yeah you're right. I havent been around for a long time :) [07:14]
TheNewDeal you do have a fair amount of wot data, which is always nice [07:15]
usagi Well WOT is an interesting subject. [07:15]
usagi MP himself has written a number of interesting articles about it. Gotta hand it to the man he is educating people somewhat [07:15]
danielpbarron ;;rated usagi [07:15]
gribble You rated user usagi on Sun Aug 17 10:48:58 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/UsagiMeijin ; doesn't know how to WoT http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/17#l1408286607. [07:15]
TheNewDeal who is anduck? [07:15]
usagi I did an insurance contract with anduck about 2 years ago iirc [07:15]
usagi The funny thing about wot is it is actualy disproving some of the crap people like bingoboingo have said about me [07:16]
usagi They put so much faith in the system, yet seem blind to what it is telling them. [07:16]
TheNewDeal I had the impression that WOT doesn't tell you something, it merely points you in the direction of people to talk to in order to format an opinion [07:17]
usagi thenewdeal; So if you talked to everyone I have a rating with, what would you see [07:17]
usagi You would see that everyone I do business with likes me [07:18]
usagi but that there's a small clique of people on #assets that hate me because bitcoin [07:18]
TheNewDeal or you do business with other scammers? [07:18]
TheNewDeal I just took a glance, I haven't talked to anyone [07:18]
danielpbarron hey, you got people's attention; now if you start doing something that's good for Bitcoin, maybe it'll turn into good attention [07:18]
usagi Well, check it out [07:18]
BingoBoingo_ usagi: You are the most dangerous kind of Idiot, because you seem to sincerely believe that your good intentions make up for all of your poor outcomes [07:18]
usagi Bingo, you hate me because I spoke the truth about you [07:18]
usagi Bingo, Rating me -10 because of that is a little pathetic [07:18]
BingoBoingo_ usagi: I care little for what you say [07:19]
usagi Anyways, to cut this shitball short. If bingo or anyone has any actual proof that I have had poor outcomes beyond that which is normal [07:19]
usagi Go ahead [07:19]
TheNewDeal well give me the longer version of what happened to your prior enterprises, and let me actually format an opinion [07:19]
usagi LIke I said bingo. The difference between you and me as a fund manager is that I have lived through 3 exchange closures and you suck up to the crowd here [07:19]
TheNewDeal well if you pick bullshit "exchanges" in the first place, aren't you asking for trouble? [07:20]
danielpbarron some wallet got lost because the rented server something something hardware [07:20]
usagi TheNewDeal; Like I said; TU.SILVER paid out everyone what was owed. BMF merged with Tu.SILVER, and I'm paying off the investors. I just made two payments this weekend to investors. I'm handling it. [07:20]
usagi TheNewDeal; What's a bullshit exchange? [07:21]
TheNewDeal havelock [07:21]
usagi TheNewDeal; No, they are compliant [07:21]
usagi You didn't know? [07:21]
TheNewDeal compliant with what? [07:21]
BingoBoingo_ I don't run a fund, I play with MP's money and he repackages it as part of his fund. [07:21]
usagi Their laws :p [07:21]
Duffer1 compliant with gettin dat paper from suckers [07:22]
usagi Bingo you do what you feel you need to do. I don't know you [07:22]
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TheNewDeal their compliant with the foremost popular scammiest exchange at the moment [07:22]
usagi TheNewDeal; You poor soul. You've been infected. [07:22]
usagi Here's a question I'd love MP to answer [07:22]
TheNewDeal I still have my bitcoin though [07:22]
usagi Back in the day -- can anyone tell me -- what was the difference between GLBSE and MPEX? To prove a point [07:22]
danielpbarron did GLBSE use PGP keys for authentication? [07:23]
TheNewDeal didn't glbse promise returns , like a pyramid scheme? [07:23]
usagi pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government [07:23]
usagi The issue is that no one really knew how things would play out [07:23]
BingoBoingo_ mircea_popescu never got off a plane without anything identifiable to customs as money to support himself? [07:23]
usagi But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know [07:23]
danielpbarron Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG [07:24]
danielpbarron that is a failed venture from the get-go [07:24]
usagi Today, I'm seeing the same thing with havelock. But with havelock the situation is different. I have been informed they are compliant. [07:24]
usagi So the party line does not apply as far as I know. If you have different information I would love to hear it [07:24]
TheNewDeal gitgo dpb [07:24]
usagi The government? [07:25]
usagi The government has nothing to do with this [07:25]
danielpbarron w/e; usagi, yes [07:25]
usagi The government has as much to do with bitcoin as it does with you believing in the whole bible [07:25]
TheNewDeal huh? [07:25]
usagi If you have to fight the government for your freedom then do so, beyond that I don't see what dragging the us government into things accomplishes [07:25]
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usagi <+danielpbarron> Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG [07:26]
usagi yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?) [07:26]
usagi I gotta go :/ will be back I suppose, toodles [07:26]
TheNewDeal another interesting character in the history of bitcoin... [07:26]
danielpbarron 12:23 <+usagi> pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government << maybe you are a tomato [07:27]
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ben_vulpes get go, TheNewDeal [07:29]
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TheNewDeal ;;ud getgo [07:30]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=getgo | getgo. from the very beginning. Could be a shortened form of the American quality of "get up and go". Might also be a shortened form of what the cowboy said to ... [07:30]
ben_vulpes dude [07:30]
TheNewDeal ;;ud gitgo [07:30]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October  ... [07:30]
ben_vulpes urban dictionary? [07:30]
TheNewDeal THE ONLY DICTIONARY [07:30]
ben_vulpes ok ok [07:30]
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ben_vulpes you win clearly [07:30]
TheNewDeal caps always win [07:31]
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BingoBoingo_ https://twitter.com/thepaulhagan/status/501209137431465985 [07:59]
assbot Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have: [07:59]
BingoBoingo_ Tonight, #Ferguson cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air [07:59]
BingoBoingo_ Amazing what tax dollars buy [08:03]
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ben_vulpes i was going to ask you what the story was over there, bb [08:03]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Basically the first night when the Highway Patrol took over there was much peace and reconciliation like Christmas 1914. Then the shitstorm resumed. [08:06]
Duffer1 turns out state troopers are still cops... [08:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00071582 = 7.874 BTC [+] [08:07]
BingoBoingo Duffer1: Well, it seems the chain of command is either ineffective or non-existent [08:08]
Duffer1 yea [08:08]
Duffer1 it sounds like the local police captn has zero respect for the mayor [08:09]
Duffer1 or the mayor is saying one thing and making the police do another [08:09]
BingoBoingo Well, the problem with this cooperative multiagency deal is that no one knows what's going on and no one is effectively in charge [08:10]
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ben_vulpes if the folks in power'd just let the angry people run in circles for a day or two this shit'd have burnt itself out, no? instead, they make the whole thing worse. [08:15]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Probably [08:15]
BingoBoingo http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Information_from_Ferguson [08:15]
assbot Twitter coverage from reporters, officials in Ferguson [08:15]
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BingoBoingo I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days? [08:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00071642 = 5.8388 BTC [+] {2} [08:37]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-miner-sells-28nm-chips-loss/ [08:56]
TheNewDeal ;;seen rg [08:57]
gribble rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: good times [08:57]
TheNewDeal kakobrekla , you in the house? [09:03]
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TheNewDeal pete, did you ever deal directly with usagi? [09:05]
TheNewDeal !up pete_dushenski [09:05]
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TheNewDeal pete_dushenski did you ever deal directly with usagi? [09:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00071538 = 12.9841 BTC [-] {2} [09:07]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [09:09]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 493.54, 24 hour volume: 10808.57390774, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 [09:09]
pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: depends how you define "deal [09:09]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: sent :) [09:09]
TheNewDeal like did you buy shares in any of his companies, buy silver from him, etc? [09:10]
TheNewDeal ;;ident pete_dushenski [09:10]
gribble Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None [09:10]
pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: nope [09:10]
pete_dushenski http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/ [09:11]
assbot Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [09:11]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com nations are hotels [09:12]
gribble Stratfor lolololor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [09:12]
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pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/therealgrubles/status/501109144146153474 [09:16]
assbot All quotes from the incomparable Mircea Popescu: http://t.co/tdb6liMr0s [09:16]
pete_dushenski @therealgrubles: @pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/ … http://trilema.com/2014/patriarchy-is-a-thing-because-nobody-likes-living-in-a-world-populated-by-little-girls/ … you support this guy? [09:16]
assbot Rape is fun, or let’s fuck up Adria Richards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:16]
assbot Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:16]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell mike_c http://van-ads.com/login/KEYID/raw [09:17]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:17]
pete_dushenski the touchiness of some people [09:17]
pete_dushenski ^re tweet [09:17]
ben_vulpes "i may not agree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it" [09:18]
ben_vulpes maybe not *you* and maybe not *my* death, but you get the picture. [09:18]
assbot Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:18]
BingoBoingo hanbot: That's the one, thank you. [09:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00071483 = 4.0388 BTC [-] [09:19]
BingoBoingo Anyways pete_dushenski That Trilema goes nicely with your newest post. [09:19]
BingoBoingo %t [09:20]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [09:20]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: merci [09:21]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings [09:21]
pete_dushenski lol not an impossible task between my french and spanish [09:22]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: i saw in teh logs that you're picking up quite a bit of romanian [09:24]
pete_dushenski wd [09:24]
BingoBoingo It definitely isn't an impossible task. Certainly more rewarding that going around like a certain someone who imagines " In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him." [09:25]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not really picking up romanian in a generally useful way, just dictionary assisted reading. [09:25]
pete_dushenski that still opens up a whole whack of material, which is really the point [09:27]
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BingoBoingo You know the relationship between this outlet HeySteve writes for and this one mining hardware company seems way to cozy http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/gawminers-introduces-hashlet-shopify-crashes/2014/08/16 [09:30]
assbot GAWMiners Introduces Hashlet; Shopify Crashes » CryptoCoinsNews [09:30]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell Heysteve Have you thought about taking your reporting talents elsewhere or going independent? The general quality of this thing you are writing for seems to be tanking and an exit plan is probably advisable. [09:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:31]
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BingoBoingo Also that coinfire thing seems to have slowed to a trickle since their lulzy blowup over really needing money but being too obsessed with their "image" as they imagine it to explore how to actually get money http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/12/opinion-motivation/ [09:33]
assbot Opinion: My Motivation - Coin Fire [09:33]
cazalla ccn is one of the spammiest blogs out there, it improved a little over the past year but it's just as bad as coindesk [09:35]
cazalla and nfi why you need a kickstart for something like coinfire [09:37]
cazalla i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps [09:38]
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BingoBoingo I mean my shared hosting survived an intense /. admirably though my long term plans for the blog lean towards dedicated hardware for other reasons. [09:39]
cazalla ccn had a scammy investment club of which altcoins they were gonna pump and even went as far as publishing an article apologins for all the spammy shit they post [09:40]
BingoBoingo lulzy, I missed this [09:41]
cazalla if i had to guess, the site was prob sold to someone else who did it up [09:41]
cazalla i'm trying to find the article atm BingoBoingo [09:41]
cazalla this is the investment club http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/invest-trade-cryptocurrencies [09:42]
assbot Invest and Trade Cryptocurrencies » CryptoCoinsNews [09:42]
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BingoBoingo That's some seriously shady shit [09:46]
RagnarDanneskjol did you see the club's office building - seems legit http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bitcoin-invest-trade.jpg [09:50]
cazalla hmm, a lot of the older posts have been deleted [09:50]
cazalla archive.org still has them, for example http://web.archive.org/web/20131125003002/http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/11/21/primecoin-still-best-investment-advice-recent-actions-verifies-shift [09:51]
assbot Primecoin is STILL our best investment advice, recent actions verifies the shift - Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis | Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis [09:51]
cazalla lol yeah [09:51]
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mircea_popescu But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know << i knew things the lot of you didn't before it was even cool. [09:54]
mircea_popescu nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. [09:54]
mircea_popescu yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?) << check it out kako. tomato is not a scammer either! [09:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. << Probably the reading comprehension gap as well [09:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31036 @ 0.00071144 = 22.0803 BTC [-] {4} [09:57]
BingoBoingo Information is worthless in the hands of people who can't interpret it [09:58]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i can't find the apology article, perhaps it's been removed but that sites was taking reddit posts, rewriting them, upboating them to the top and attracting a lot of traffic, i speculate the site was sold to someone who wanted to do it up and improve the quality but no proof, just a hunch [09:58]
BingoBoingo Interesting cazalla [09:59]
assbot usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 [10:01]
BingoBoingo !up usagi [10:01]
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cazalla plus it's in google news feed which is valuable [10:01]
usagi Hi. If you have something to say about me Bingo, say it to me and not behind my back please. [10:02]
BingoBoingo usagi: The logs are public [10:02]
BingoBoingo It's just kind of assumed they get read [10:02]
usagi Have you ever dealt with me directly? Invested in anything I've run? [10:02]
usagi Do you have any evidence that I have scammed or stolen anyone's bitcoins? [10:03]
usagi I'm just curious since you're very new here, comparatively, and yet you seem to know so much about people you have never met [10:03]
usagi I haven't been here in 9 months, since that time you have established yourself in this community. I find your case in particular very interesting. [10:03]
BingoBoingo usagi: I've read the history and your interactions with others. I actually don't think you are a scammer at all. I still think you are incredibly dangerous. [10:04]
BingoBoingo I first appeared in this channel early 2013 [10:04]
usagi Why do you think I'm dangerous? I'm interested in learning precisely what it is you feel I should learn. [10:05]
BingoBoingo Well what does pete_dushenski learn? It's less any particular skill set and more your general recklessness. [10:07]
usagi Pete dushenki is a lot like you [10:08]
usagi You formed an opinion of me based on what other people have said [10:08]
mircea_popescu assbot: Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air << that shit still going strong huh. [10:08]
BingoBoingo A lot of it was from things you've said as well, I mean forum posts channel logs (here and -otc) [10:08]
mircea_popescu will it be a summer affair or still going oct 1st ? [10:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days? << how long do you think a town will burn. [10:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If it didn't seem destined for the BadBat category would make an interesting BitBet [10:09]
usagi Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one [10:09]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://mises.org/daily/6846/Police-States-and-InnerCity-Economics [10:10]
assbot Police States and Inner-City Economics - Ryan McMaken - Mises Daily [10:10]
usagi Frankly, you decided to rate me without ever having chatted with me [10:10]
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BingoBoingo usagi: Well you seem to have a lot of accidents https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742521.0 [10:10]
assbot Lost Bitcoins -- Did you just get 0.2 bitcoins? [10:10]
usagi And it's likely as a result of the continuous name dropping in this channel despite me not being here for 9 months. [10:10]
usagi Bingo, when tahoe-lafs loses a 300 btc private key, the situation is "sad". When I lose zero BTC in a development site web wallet I get videos made about me. [10:11]
BingoBoingo usagi: I've chatted with you before several times. Your memory's reliability is not my concern. [10:11]
usagi No we haven't really chatted [10:12]
BingoBoingo In this channel we have [10:12]
mircea_popescu Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one <<< you massively overestimate your own ability, and then derp about it in an unconvincing but ceaseless manner which entraps the more idiotic bystanders. [10:12]
usagi Ehh I thought you had me on ignore? [10:12]
mircea_popescu at some point i probably did [10:12]
BingoBoingo usagi: We've chatted several times in this channel last summer [10:12]
usagi Well mp if you have any advie for me go ahead, I'm all ears [10:12]
mircea_popescu i guess at some point i probably will again. [10:12]
usagi advice* [10:13]
mircea_popescu the advice is to stfu and read. which is hopefull what yu've been doing the past year or so [10:13]
usagi Yep [10:13]
mircea_popescu and that way i won't have to put you back on ignore either. [10:13]
usagi Thanks. [10:13]
mircea_popescu ;;seen grubles [10:14]
gribble grubles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: didnt know ^_^ [10:14]
mircea_popescu look at that, grubles hates me nao ? [10:14]
pete_dushenski guess so... [10:17]
mircea_popescu hanbot: np << i think hanbot read them all. [10:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings << sorry folks. i didn't do it on purpose, i just had nfi we'll end up here. [10:19]
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mircea_popescu (and i didn't think much of english speakers back in 2010, either.) [10:20]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu finally finished the monumental flesh vs. machine article. doesn't seem your thoughts on english speakers have much changed. [10:20]
mircea_popescu well if it makes you feel better i have a lot of disdain for romanians too. [10:21]
mircea_popescu misanthropy, it's like a thing. [10:21]
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pete_dushenski i feel just fine either way :) [10:22]
mircea_popescu but yeah, that thing was a bitch to write. [10:23]
pete_dushenski the only part of the article i didn't totally grok was the aryan bit [10:23]
pete_dushenski what do aryans have to do with snowden, charlotta, etc? [10:23]
mircea_popescu ask away. [10:24]
mircea_popescu well i imagine asciilifeform's theory is that snowden is kosher while i gave manning as an example of not. [10:24]
mircea_popescu whatever you'd call it... straight laced ? [10:24]
pete_dushenski ok [10:25]
pete_dushenski and the seekrit skvirels are the usg ? [10:25]
pete_dushenski or the russians? [10:25]
mircea_popescu i dunno if that's particularly contemplated. whenever asciilifeform uses that i just replace with "secret agents" [10:25]
mircea_popescu kinda derpy ones i guess, but anwyay. [10:26]
pete_dushenski hm ok. makes sense [10:26]
pete_dushenski ya, i can see the holes in the aryan theory now [10:27]
pete_dushenski if it's any kind of preference or rubric at all, it's horribly neglected [10:27]
pete_dushenski sort of like sportsmanship in soccer [10:28]
mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [10:28]
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pete_dushenski well if the skvirels are selecting agents based on a code of sorts, and letting in mannings and the like while pretending to do so, this is a bit like soccer players who speak of professionalism and dive when their opponent looks at them funny [10:30]
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pete_dushenski perhaps a better example is the stereotypical catholic schoolgirl [10:31]
mircea_popescu yeah it just doesn't add up. [10:31]
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xmj what is it with catholic schoolgirls these ays? [10:31]
xmj they're damn pervasive, you find them everywhere. [10:31]
mircea_popescu i mean asciilifeform needs it to prop up his "competence behind the incompetence" theory, but otherwise in practice it's not observed. [10:31]
pete_dushenski very proper on paper, but filth nasty when the bell rings [10:31]
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mircea_popescu xmj like what, your bedroom ? [10:32]
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pete_dushenski those plaid skirts are hanging from the ceiling fan ;) [10:32]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:33]
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pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/501054600024432640 [10:39]
assbot NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google. [10:39]
pete_dushenski well ya, google isn't broke [10:39]
mircea_popescu he;'s just buttsore that google indexes trilema better than newscorp. [10:41]
mircea_popescu ;;rated grubles [10:43]
gribble You rated user grubles on Fri Nov 23 22:04:49 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None. [10:43]
fluffypony does anyone know BitcoinBear from btctalk? [10:44]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the mod ? [10:44]
fluffypony I don't think he's a mod [10:45]
fluffypony he posted in a stack of mpex threads in 2013 [10:45]
mircea_popescu name seems familiar one sec [10:45]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43032 [10:45]
mircea_popescu cazalla: i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps << that's pretty impressive for the vps. [10:45]
assbot View the profile of bitcoinbear [10:45]
BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/17/ferguson_police_fire_tear_gas_at_protesters_before_second_night_of_curfew.html [10:46]
assbot Ferguson: police fire tear gas at protesters before second night of curfew. [10:46]
fluffypony and then went quiet from July 2013, popped his head up for 1 comment in September, and then suddenly in May this year is back and supporting some crappy scamcoin [10:46]
fluffypony so I'm thinking it's a bought account [10:46]
BingoBoingo "Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community." [10:46]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah the original was a more or less adult dude. acct may have been sold i hear. [10:47]
fluffypony aight [10:47]
BingoBoingo So, from pretend martial law to actual martial law [10:47]
BingoBoingo You know, this account selling thing is why there can't be old timers on the forum [10:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo but the attacks come mostly from the police. [10:48]
mircea_popescu is the national guard there to put down teh police ? [10:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: We'll find out! [10:49]
BingoBoingo It wouldn't be the first time such things happened in Missouri [10:49]
BingoBoingo ;;google Quantrill [10:49]
gribble William Quantrill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Quantrill's Raiders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; PBS - THE WEST - William Clarke Quantrill: [10:49]
mircea_popescu assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 << this is kinda lulzy. [10:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [10:51]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 490.94, Best ask: 491.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 490.94, 24 hour volume: 10815.66536353, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 [10:51]
fluffypony lol [10:51]
mircea_popescu %p [10:51]
mircea_popescu %d [10:51]
fluffypony usagi has been peddling in #bitcoin-otc again [10:51]
fluffypony he told me that he got SO MUCH BUSINESS from my targeting him [10:51]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s [10:51]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 177834.60 in 1925 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.53 [10:51]
BingoBoingo %ob [10:51]
mircea_popescu fluffypony he was here earlier too. what's he doing these days ? [10:51]
atcbot 16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 80k@172 34k@170 125k@165 [10:51]
fluffypony no idea [10:51]
fluffypony drowning in SO MUCH business [10:51]
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pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [10:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that guy's facial hair... [10:52]
gribble Current Blocks: 316223 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 288 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23419670466.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.70294 [10:52]
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#799730 << usagi: I've been busy. But today is a big day :) [10:52]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [10:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The only thing he could have done better would have been to completely erase Lawrence Kansas [10:53]
mircea_popescu you can never erase a shithole. [10:53]
mircea_popescu (old turkish proverb) [10:53]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [10:54]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NE5RAP.txt ) [10:54]
cazalla mircea_popescu, might've upgraded it, this is just after d3 lauched so don't really remember, point being i doubt they need a kickstarter to continue blogging [10:54]
mircea_popescu cazalla for server costs, no. [10:54]
mircea_popescu "Here, Quantrill took up a job in the lumberyards, unloading timber from rail cars. One night while working the late shift, he shot a man to death. Authorities briefly arrested Quantrill, who claimed self-defense. Since there were no eyewitnesses and the victim was a stranger who knew no one in town, William was set free." [10:54]
mircea_popescu not bad. [10:55]
BingoBoingo Murica used to not suck so bad [10:55]
mircea_popescu hey, my grandfather loved it. [10:57]
mircea_popescu Editors Note from Mike: I am adding this note after this piece is published to state that this is a personal opinion piece from Brendon. [10:57]
mircea_popescu This piece is not endorsed by Coin Fire. [10:57]
mircea_popescu Brendon has since resigned on his own accord after realizing from countless emails of concerned readers that this was seen as an “attempt to grab money via guilt”. While this was not his intention he has since realized that it could be seen that way by many readers and independently felt he needed to go back and better hone his skills at this time. [10:57]
mircea_popescu this is so idiotic. [10:57]
xmj topic? [10:58]
mircea_popescu an editor's job is to EDIT, which means protect the fucking copywriters from their own idiocy [10:58]
mircea_popescu not put up a note to insulate himsefl from them. this is like... antiprofessional. [10:58]
mircea_popescu i have an idea, let's all call ourselves things we aren't and then do a shitty job of it. [10:59]
mircea_popescu i'm going to be a barber and ima peel everyone bloody today ;/ [10:59]
pete_dushenski "Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence." [11:00]
BingoBoingo That thing started so promising and fell so far, basically weev 2.0 [11:00]
pete_dushenski "'We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region,' Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov" [11:00]
pete_dushenski http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/ferguson-satire-another-country-russia-china << kinda lulzy [11:00]
assbot How we'd cover Ferguson if it happened in another country - Vox [11:00]
BingoBoingo ;;google Missouri bellweather [11:01]
gribble Missouri bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Missouri slips from political bellwether status this fall - USA Today: [11:01]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski lmao epic [11:08]
mircea_popescu sino-russian pacification mission in missouri ftw [11:08]
pete_dushenski pretty much nail to head there [11:08]
pete_dushenski i actually saw a pic of some tibetan monks there lol [11:09]
BingoBoingo Missouri is the most plainly American of the states with it's own east and west coasts (St Louis and Kansas City), and the capitol is a desolate hell hole [11:09]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/501111870531858432 [11:10]
assbot They came all the way from India to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash. http://t.co/qRLKqxoo5g [11:10]
BingoBoingo "Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson." << Surprisingly accurate given how St Louis county is organized [11:10]
penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/ [11:14]
mircea_popescu "In the spirit of being open and transparent (a guiding principal of this site and our editorial policies), I am adding this note to this story and taking full responsibility that I have failed our readers and offering my most sincere apologies." [11:16]
mircea_popescu this part he got right, tho. [11:16]
mircea_popescu minus the spelling, but hey. [11:16]
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mircea_popescu !up b51 [11:28]
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mircea_popescu "We’ve seen the criticisms from a certain IRC channel where he and the site is being put down for trying to raise some capital." [11:29]
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cazalla pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your “nation.” Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap). [11:29]
mircea_popescu that wasn';t us was it ? [11:29]
mircea_popescu "I know some of this stems from the fact the website contains advertisements. A great debate has taken place internally about those advertisements. [11:30]
mircea_popescu They barely bring in a dollar a week for this site. They can be distracting, they can be frustrating and even annoying at times but they appear because they do bring something in, no matter how little and Mike applies every bit they earn to paying the ever increasing bills this site is faced with on a daily basis." [11:30]
mircea_popescu awww, and van-ads pays 10 bux a day. sucks. [11:30]
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punkman damn heisenbugs, girl was just here, I tell her come check out the weird-colored monitor, and it fucking fixed itself! [11:44]
pankkake https://pthree.org/2014/08/18/whats-the-matter-with-pgp/ [11:44]
assbot Aaron Toponce : What's The Matter With PGP? [11:44]
mircea_popescu maybe she has an electric personality [11:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake still with this ?! [11:45]
mircea_popescu a nm, thought it's the same old link for some reason [11:45]
mircea_popescu "Turns out, the post is complete junk. It's about as thoughtful and informative as the Nigerian 411 scam. Let's analyze the post, top-to-bottom." [11:46]
mircea_popescu word. [11:46]
BingoBoingo So here's a quick preview of something from a post I'm working on: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Missouri.png [11:46]
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RagnarDanneskjol I love the ozarks. All those lakes and hillbillies [11:48]
BingoBoingo Yeah, nice rivers too [11:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake left him a coupla comments, thanks. [11:54]
mircea_popescu and soap music. [11:54]
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RagnarDanneskjol I have a moral dilemna. This company in China wants to retain me to hire them a team of devs to build them a chinese version of ripple. They have an enormous budget and the account would be a boon for my business. Of course ripple is junk as so nicely described here: http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/. I've tried to reason and communicate this to them (i am wor [11:57]
RagnarDanneskjol king through an interpreter).. yet they are determined to move forward. i am inclined to pass on it altogether unless I can convince them to build a solution that doesnt so explicitly violate the laws of capital-debt / reality [11:57]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [11:57]
RagnarDanneskjol any suggestions are welcome [11:57]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol why is it a moral dilemma ? [12:00]
RagnarDanneskjol because they would be spending an inordinate sum of money on me and devs I locate to build something I know to be rotten [12:00]
mircea_popescu you're not the master of the fucking world on other people's money. suppose you were a plumber and i hired you to build me a toilet on the ceiling. after you explained to me this design i have is idiotic, as long as i'm paying you;d better build it. [12:01]
fluffypony RagnarDanneskjol if you don't do it for them will they find someone else? [12:01]
RagnarDanneskjol I know - I think too much is getting lost in translation here with them.. but you're right [12:01]
fluffypony (hint: the answer is yes) [12:01]
RagnarDanneskjol correct they will go somewhere else [12:01]
fluffypony so basically you can either profit from their decision [12:02]
fluffypony or not [12:02]
fluffypony and the thing is [12:02]
fluffypony they're not asking you to make weapons to kill puppies [12:02]
fluffypony they're asking you to build a piece of software that isn't inherently malicious [12:02]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's not like it's some big secret that ripple is broken and why etc. [12:02]
RagnarDanneskjol still. i feel I can somehow interject with a better technical solution for them and retain the business/sleep better at night [12:02]
mircea_popescu the best tech solution is for them to just buy ripple [12:02]
RagnarDanneskjol right [12:02]
mircea_popescu caleb & co are pretty well out f dough by now. [12:03]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [12:03]
RagnarDanneskjol not a bad idea [12:03]
mircea_popescu maybe they buy euderpium too and make a supernexus [12:04]
mircea_popescu no wait what was it called. a supernode. [12:04]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm [12:06]
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punkman no caleb is already on to the stellar thing [12:06]
punkman got some fresh suckers [12:07]
RagnarDanneskjol I know -will be easy to pick off devs [12:07]
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punkman https://ripple.com/blog/a-debit-card-powered-by-ripple/ https://ripple.com/blog/codius-is-open-source/ [12:09]
assbot A Debit Card Powered by Ripple | Ripple [12:09]
assbot Codius is Open Source | Ripple [12:09]
punkman debit card!!!11 [12:09]
RagnarDanneskjol oh noes [12:09]
punkman so you go up to the machine to withdraw some money, and the machine is like fuck you dude, I don't take pirateat40BTC [12:10]
thestringpuller people are up [12:11]
thestringpuller Or just didn't go to sleep? [12:11]
RagnarDanneskjol no sleep [12:12]
thestringpuller lol toilet on the ceiling [12:12]
thestringpuller some good logs to wake up to XD [12:13]
punkman what is this a threat? " Y-Combinator-backed Shift Payments, which, according to TechCrunch, is “working to make it as easy to spend digital currencies, cryptocurrencies and loyalty points as it is to spend regular, fiat money.”" [12:16]
cazalla litecoin under $4, perhaps my bet http://bitbet.us/bet/773/ltc-under-1-usd-before-2015/ will get there in the end [12:20]
assbot BitBet - LTC under $1 USD before 2015 :: 0.09 B (17%) on Yes, 0.46 B (83%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 43`817 (100`000 to 1) [12:20]
thestringpuller ugh ripple [12:23]
thestringpuller make it go away [12:23]
mircea_popescu punkman even tecvh crunch is now skeptical of ycombinator [12:28]
mircea_popescu ALL IT TOOK WAS AN ARTICLE ON TRILEMA TWO YEARS AGO TO BUCK THEM [12:28]
mircea_popescu mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes. [12:29]
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thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dtb1w/bitcoin_in_name_only/cjsyh3h [12:35]
assbot sgornick comments on Bitcoin in Name Only [12:35]
thestringpuller reddit sometimes delivers. [12:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24920 @ 0.000709 = 17.6683 BTC [-] {2} [12:38]
mircea_popescu it's more sgornick than reddit. [12:41]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot sgornick [12:41]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick | Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010 [12:41]
mircea_popescu ;;seen sgornick [12:41]
gribble sgornick was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 49 seconds ago: Who is cascadianhacker.com ? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html <-- Bandwidth Limit Exceeded [12:41]
mircea_popescu o wow. cool. [12:41]
RagnarDanneskjol the swanson post is a riot [12:42]
pankkake "Why did this get down voted? Maybe they didn't read past Tim, you ignorant slut" [12:42]
pankkake yeah sounds like reddit [12:42]
[]bot Bet created: "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ [12:46]
[]bot Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998. [12:56]
RagnarDanneskjol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QqNKQ02uWI [12:57]
assbot Killer whale throws sea lion 20 feet into the air! Ketchikan, Alaska - YouTube [12:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;rated sgornick [13:26]
gribble You rated user sgornick on Fri Sep 28 05:44:50 2012, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Solid guy.. [13:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c you proly should add pingbacks to your blog somehow. [14:09]
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* asciilifeform wonders if the musket will come back into fashion [20:44]
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mircea_popescu %p [20:44]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.21 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [20:45]
mircea_popescu good morning asset-eers. [20:45]
mircea_popescu %p [20:45]
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atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.26 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [20:45]
TheNewDeal ;;marketbuy 1000 [20:45]
gribble Error: "marketbuy" is not a valid command. [20:45]
TheNewDeal ;;market buy 1000 [20:45]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 480559.8422 USD and would take the last price up to 492.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 480.5598 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0276 seconds [20:45]
mircea_popescu o hey, it dropped moar ? [20:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [20:46]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.68, Best ask: 472.44, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 470.67, 24 hour volume: 26807.72118225, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 [20:46]
TheNewDeal dropped to 442 a few hours ago [20:46]
TheNewDeal really pissed, because I should have set an alarm and bought some coins [20:46]
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punkman went to like $300 on btc-e [20:47]
mircea_popescu !up friend [20:47]
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mircea_popescu so next time set an alarm lol. [20:47]
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TheNewDeal holy shit, btc-e is still at 440 [20:47]
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mircea_popescu sounds like btc is nao copying mpex, i recall how pissed ppl were on the first and original sd dump [20:47]
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TheNewDeal explain more [20:48]
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TheNewDeal are you saying people are just mad because price is dropping? [20:48]
mircea_popescu just sorta joking with myself. [20:49]
mircea_popescu (there was this event, back in 2012 iirc, when someone sold like 1mn shares in shallow bids, resulting into a temporary 99.9% drop of the price) [20:49]
TheNewDeal for sd? [20:50]
mircea_popescu yea [20:50]
TheNewDeal did it ever rebound to the same level? [20:50]
thestringpuller yea [20:50]
mircea_popescu within an hour ? [20:50]
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thestringpuller n [20:50]
thestringpuller o [20:50]
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TheNewDeal seriously why would you need that much bitcoin that fast [20:51]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller you gonna do letter parts next ? :D [20:51]
TheNewDeal . [20:51]
TheNewDeal . . [20:51]
TheNewDeal . . [20:51]
TheNewDeal there's my n [20:51]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal the common wisdom at the time was that someone butterfingered. either it was meant to be a buy rather than a sell, or too many zeroes or something [20:52]
TheNewDeal ahhh [20:52]
TheNewDeal how many shares were outstanding? [20:52]
mircea_popescu mpex was new, plenty of finance people had just for the first time in their life had this new pympex weirdo device and key based trading and etc. [20:52]
mircea_popescu i dun even recall, maybe 100mn ? [20:52]
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TheNewDeal gotcha, justr trying to get an idea of scale [20:53]
TheNewDeal ltc going strong at 3.65 / .00815 [20:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29818325 = 3.5782 BTC [+] {3} [20:54]
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mircea_popescu this silver that can't even keep 1%... what silver is it! [20:54]
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chetty copper? [20:55]
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TheNewDeal what's with the stock bet precedent of "close at price" vs "trade at price" ? [20:56]
mircea_popescu hm ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu chetty lol ltc is btc's copper ? what, so if all fails you can make yourself some nice ltc pipes ? [20:57]
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TheNewDeal on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1 [20:58]
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chetty http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/18/navy-chiefs-continuation-boards/14223129/ [21:00]
assbot Almost 8,000 Navy chiefs face ax; sailors could advance [21:00]
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thestringpuller ;;later tell X-Rob do you mine yourself? if so do you sell btc? [21:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:02]
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TheNewDeal mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi? [21:04]
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X-Rob thestringpuller: Yes, and not very often [21:05]
X-Rob I normally just reinvest into hardware. Vicious circle etc. [21:06]
TheNewDeal what do you have now? did I see something like 13.6 TH? [21:06]
Apocalyptic I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail [21:07]
X-Rob Apocalyptic: Eeyup. [21:07]
X-Rob thestringpuller: about 15TH [21:07]
X-Rob wups [21:07]
thestringpuller LOL [21:07]
X-Rob TheNewDeal: ^^ [21:07]
X-Rob damn having two people starting with 'the' [21:08]
X-Rob Apocalyptic: It works in my, specific, limited circumstances. I have access to free power, and, I lease my hardware out. I also get to ride the wave of pump'n'dump coins, without actually any exposure. [21:09]
X-Rob EG, when BTCD emerged, I managed to earn 3BTC in 2 days. [21:10]
X-Rob that paid off all my avalon3 gear which I bought on a whim and then immediately regretted. [21:10]
Apocalyptic that's a different story, as you're not the only one bearing the cost [21:11]
Apocalyptic if you find people willing to rent hardware for a ridiculous price then you're good regardless [21:12]
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X-Rob Apocalyptic: I normally work on ;;genrate + 10%, and I justify the +10% as 'I know what the fuck I'm doing, and you're going to get that hashrate pointed wherever you want it' [21:17]
X-Rob and a lot of the time I then have to help smaller pools configure their servers correctly [21:17]
X-Rob as a lot of them just leave the defaults. Which is fine for a slow, scrypt, pool. But terrible when you point TH of SHA at it. [21:18]
X-Rob But, if people are going to drive the prices up, then I"m going to take advantage of it [21:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#comment-105667 [21:25]
assbot Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:25]
asciilifeform aha just finished reading that. [21:25]
mircea_popescu the article sized comments will continue until it stops with the nitpicks [21:25]
mircea_popescu haha reread because well i edited it [21:25]
mircea_popescu (coupla paras at the end0 [21:25]
asciilifeform lol neato [21:25]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal> on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1 << so it's like freedom, let them have fun. [21:26]
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BingoBoingo http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-brown-shooting-amnesty-international-sends-team-within-us-for-first-time-as-national-guard-deployed-9675149.html [21:27]
assbot Michael Brown shooting: Amnesty International sends team within US for first time as National Guard deployed - Americas - World - The Independent [21:27]
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mircea_popescu mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi? << many moons ago. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-still-not-quite-ready-for-cdos/ [21:27]
assbot Bitcoin, still not quite ready for CDOs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:27]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh. [21:28]
chetty BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh.// just needs a handbasket [21:28]
mircea_popescu as the compatriots said twenty years ago, Azi in Timisoara, Miine'n Ferguson, MO. [21:28]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVnmiZBCjuI [21:29]
assbot Azi in Timisoara, maine-n toata tara! - YouTube [21:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, the parody article's only flaw is there are no signs of Sino-Russian intervention yet. Merely observers. [21:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the thing is, both the chinese and the russians are run by people. [21:29]
mircea_popescu people understand it's fucking stupid to undertake administering a shithole. [21:29]
BingoBoingo This is true [21:29]
rake_boss hey mircea_popescu [21:30]
rake_boss the gribble authentication thing [21:30]
rake_boss is bullshit [21:30]
rake_boss why not just put +r [21:30]
mircea_popescu heck, even the bureaucracy understood it eventually. hence no iraq 51st state [21:30]
mircea_popescu rake_boss to oppress people. [21:30]
TheNewDeal O wow. that's kind of nasty [21:30]
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TheNewDeal !down rake_boss [21:30]
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mircea_popescu +r is based on this imbecilic theory that the content matters and the people do not. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the reality in the field is exactly opposite : i can dump porn pics all day and it'll stil be more important for bitcoin than tim swanson';s "books". [21:31]
TheNewDeal hahaha [21:31]
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TheNewDeal is anyone familiar with a terry tibs? [21:33]
mircea_popescu sounds like an old timer [21:33]
shovel_boss ass [21:33]
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mircea_popescu lol [21:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00070526 = 6.7705 BTC [-] [21:34]
TheNewDeal apparently he was quite angered after I downed him the first time [21:34]
thestringpuller heh [21:34]
thestringpuller just came back to spam [21:34]
mircea_popescu it's like "dudes if you don't make the world friendlier to stupid people i'll stab myself in the eye" [21:34]
mircea_popescu totally effectual. [21:34]
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TheNewDeal today marks an important day. My first ignore [21:36]
mircea_popescu I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail << i think he pretty much said he enjoys the tinkering aspect. so from his pov it's perfect, put some money in, letting it run itself out. bitcoin, the very complex and realistic online mmorpg/mud [21:36]
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X-Rob Heh. That's somewhat accurate [21:36]
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X-Rob I've probably spent about 10k over the years on video cards, power supplies, etc. I haven't put any dollars into it in over 18 months (since ASICs became The One True Way(tm), basically). [21:37]
X-Rob And I have fun. [21:37]
mircea_popescu people here have shit like i dunno, laser cutters all over their kitchen. so... you're in good company [21:38]
mircea_popescu buncha compulsive hoarders. [21:38]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/ktbenner/statuses/501409764765478914 [21:39]
assbot Twitter / ktbenner: @nitashatiku black people locking ... [21:39]
TheNewDeal ;;seen davout [21:39]
gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 8 hours, 10 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting [21:39]
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xanthyos thanks [21:46]
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xanthyos stander: get in the WoT, you have 3 people who are waiting to give you postive rating! [21:46]
mircea_popescu who is he ? [21:47]
xanthyos an associate of danielpbarron and mine [21:48]
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danielpbarron found him on localbitcoins dealing in the town over from me [21:48]
xanthyos completely reputable individual who refuses to wot or use a real irc client [21:48]
mircea_popescu cool. [21:49]
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mircea_popescu lol but why [21:49]
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punkman heh >> dustintheweb: Story time: I just bought 0.2 from a Lamassu ATM. It timed out in mid process w/out ever updating the bitchain. I about crapped my pants, but the business owner opened the box for me, got my money out, then we tried it again until it worked. [21:50]
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mircea_popescu put it on r/buttcoin [21:50]
xanthyos punkman: he spoke to me just a couple hours ago planning to try the lamassu [21:51]
xanthyos glad i wasn't the test case [21:51]
punkman and at 10% premium [21:51]
mircea_popescu sad that the story fails to include a "he mumbled god dangit while kicking the machine a couple of times" [21:51]
mircea_popescu "then when it finally went through his face light up "you just gotta know how to work these treknologies" [21:51]
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pete_dushenski http://modernfarmer.com/2013/09/saga-spidergoat/ << speaking of gmo'ery [22:08]
assbot The Silky, Milky, Totally Strange Saga of the Spider Goat - Modern Farmer [22:08]
pete_dushenski silk+goat+canadian research = darpa toy [22:09]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this animal appears as a minor character in m. atwood's book 'oryx and crake', where it is called 'spoat/gider' [22:09]
pete_dushenski lol go figure [22:09]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: have you read much atwood? [22:10]
asciilifeform not really the sensational chimera the article suggests. ordinary goat that secretes a usefully spidersilky protein in the milk. [22:10]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: just the fun ones [22:10]
pete_dushenski heh cool [22:11]
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pete_dushenski i've got year of the flood on my reading list [22:13]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the last (third) book's been out for ages, too. [22:13]
TheNewDeal pete_dushenski was hoping they would mention Island of Dr. Moreua, just finished that one up [22:15]
pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: they? [22:16]
TheNewDeal spidergoat article [22:16]
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pete_dushenski lol o ok [22:17]
TheNewDeal best comment on the article "I want a spider goat condom, that I can pass down to my male grand child." [22:18]
pete_dushenski so why exclude the female grandchild? [22:19]
pete_dushenski like she's not involved in the contraceptive process [22:19]
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thestringpuller TheNewDeal is a master at vivisecting animals into humans [22:23]
thestringpuller humanoids* [22:23]
TheNewDeal do i smell a new otc rating coming? [22:24]
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thestringpuller lol [22:24]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski good point actually. [22:25]
mircea_popescu but perhaps the implication is that it'd be icky to use another man's spider web condom [22:25]
mircea_popescu more so for the other man part than for the spider web part, god knows how that works. [22:25]
TheNewDeal do you think the females would enjoy a reused condom? [22:26]
pete_dushenski using another man's condom is like using another man's mouth to prechew your food before its shoved down your feeding tube [22:27]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well maybe the implication is you only used it on their best friends. [22:27]
mircea_popescu (more likle, the implication is you're from the us, and thus mate once for a lyftyme) [22:28]
fluffypony so do we know if the ATC block exporer is going to be culled or not? [22:29]
TheNewDeal low blow [22:29]
fluffypony also fuck Coinbase, again, they irritate mea [22:29]
mircea_popescu culled ? [22:29]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: the blockr one [22:30]
mircea_popescu wha do you mean by culled [22:31]
mircea_popescu the noun i get, the verb i dont. [22:31]
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mike_c what noun? cull is a verb. [22:32]
fluffypony http://www.thefreedictionary.com/culled [22:32]
assbot culled - definition of culled by The Free Dictionary [22:32]
fluffypony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culling [22:32]
assbot Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:32]
mircea_popescu >.< [22:33]
mircea_popescu this is progressing nicely. [22:33]
mircea_popescu fluffypony are you aiming to ask "will blockr.io be shut down integrally or will the atc part somehow magically survive" or do you aim to ask "will atc implement blockchain culling like the btc does" [22:34]
fluffypony neither [22:34]
mircea_popescu win. [22:34]
fluffypony I mean "will blockr.io stop support ATC, thus culling it from the list of coins for which it provides blockchain explorers" [22:34]
mike_c fluffypony: blog post indicated the whole thing is going away. [22:35]
mircea_popescu not afaik ? [22:35]
mike_c "Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now"... and then it will go away. [22:35]
Apocalyptic mike_c, is it ? [22:35]
mike_c that's how i read it. [22:36]
fluffypony lol [22:36]
fluffypony I agree - "Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now as Sašo and Samo transition to their work at Coinbase." [22:36]
fluffypony "as they transition" is transitory [22:36]
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TheNewDeal isnt' atc stalling at the moment? [22:38]
mike_c %d [22:39]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42 [22:39]
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fluffypony LTC dropped 20% today, Darkcoin is the major loser [22:39]
fluffypony 36% drop in 24 hours [22:39]
mircea_popescu i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit. [22:39]
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TheNewDeal I'm just talking about the mining [22:43]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 86(Y):14(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.64962778 BTC. Current weight: 62,518. [22:43]
BingoBoingo %p [22:43]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s [22:43]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit. << You forget before the civilized times ATC would trade at ~500 and 100 satoshis in the same hour [22:44]
mircea_popescu pre-bb atc ? kay :p [22:44]
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mircea_popescu %d [22:44]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42 [22:44]
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atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.71 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s [22:45]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well it's got 1.7th perm from now on, plus whatever other people throw at it, so im guessing a 5 to 10 th rate going forward is probably its level [22:45]
TheNewDeal so a 51% attack right now would be how many TH? [22:46]
TheNewDeal 2-3? [22:46]
mircea_popescu well, it'd also need to have a transaction. [22:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not pre-me, but pre-marketmaking [22:47]
mircea_popescu i don't think there's been a block with a transaction in it since may. [22:47]
mircea_popescu this because you know, merchant adoption is so important for a coin and all that. [22:48]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/btc-to-rally-to-4000-before-july-2015/ [22:54]
assbot BitBet - BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015 :: 0.1 B (1%) on Yes, 8.08 B (99%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`856 (100`000 to 2`000) [22:54]
mircea_popescu 80 to 1 huh. [22:54]
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TheNewDeal not bad odds [22:57]
TheNewDeal July 2015 is a long ways away [22:57]
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TheNewDeal ;;ident anduck [22:59]
gribble Nick 'anduck', with hostmask 'Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck', is identified as user 'Anduck', with GPG key id 5F81CCEC5886D61E, key fingerprint CA792C93C799D2C83A69BCE65F81CCEC5886D61E, and bitcoin address 1Anduck6bsXBXH7fPHzePJSXdC9AEsRmt4 [22:59]
Anduck sup TheNewDeal? [22:59]
TheNewDeal anduck what business did you do with usagi? [22:59]
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Anduck why? [22:59]
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TheNewDeal just saw your otc rating on him [22:59]
Anduck ;;rated usagi [23:00]
TheNewDeal he came in here yesterday for whatever reason [23:00]
gribble You rated user usagi on Tue Jul 3 07:45:25 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: good business, thanks =). [23:00]
Anduck it was with his CPA business [23:00]
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mircea_popescu !up pharesim [23:00]
-assbot- You voiced pharesim for 30 minutes. [23:00]
* assbot gives voice to pharesim [23:00]
TheNewDeal that was him insuring against a default of glbse? [23:00]
Anduck yes [23:00]
mircea_popescu it was a default of pirate wasn't it ? [23:00]
Anduck no, glbse [23:00]
mircea_popescu hm. maybe pirate was earlier, there were a bunch [23:00]
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TheNewDeal did he insurance against multiple parties with the same CPA? [23:01]
TheNewDeal insure* [23:01]
Anduck dunno [23:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5864 @ 0.00070677 = 4.1445 BTC [+] [23:02]
TheNewDeal But on Aug 23rd says to CPA investors: [23:03]
TheNewDeal "In the event of a full pirate default, NYAN.C will loose out, and CPA holds NYAN which holds NYAN.C. Then we have contracts on the outside as well. All in all CPA will remain very solvent, it may lose 20% of it's value in a full default. But we stands just as ready to gain 20% if pirate doesn't default." - it will remain very solvent [23:03]
TheNewDeal https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.460;wap2 [23:03]
assbot Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. [23:03]
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TheNewDeal perhaps I'm reading this wrong [23:03]
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TheNewDeal kakobrekla are you in the house? [23:06]
kakobrekla sorta [23:08]
TheNewDeal you got a payout from usagi at one point, amiright? [23:08]
kakobrekla ;;rated usagi [23:09]
TheNewDeal it was less than what you had bargained for, like 900 off of 1100? [23:09]
gribble You rated user usagi on Tue Apr 15 13:37:58 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market (1 more message) [23:09]
ben_vulpes ;;more [23:09]
gribble expire in 10 minutes. [23:09]
TheNewDeal what was the contract insurange against? default by _____ ? [23:10]
kakobrekla the ponzi [23:10]
TheNewDeal pirate or nefario? [23:10]
kakobrekla arrrgh! [23:11]
TheNewDeal it was pirate [23:11]
kakobrekla mhm [23:11]
TheNewDeal usagi told me it was paying out on a glbse default [23:11]
TheNewDeal why the hell would anyone insure against a default on pirate? [23:12]
kakobrekla he had it listed there [23:12]
TheNewDeal on glbse? [23:12]
kakobrekla iirc yea [23:12]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal you're new here :) [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070679 = 5.831 BTC [+] {2} [23:12]
mircea_popescu plenty of people ACTUALLY believed a) pirate is a bright ceo etc [23:12]
mircea_popescu and b) his delinquent debt holds value. [23:13]
TheNewDeal wasn't usagi giving insurance though at a VERY late point in the pirate ship? [23:13]
mircea_popescu i know it looks impossible in retrospect, but it was the fact at the time. [23:13]
mircea_popescu consider the situaiton where a bunch of people actually believed the earth is flat at some point [23:13]
mircea_popescu well, his relevancy came at a very late point. he had been making noises for a long time, but nobdy paid attention for an equally long time. [23:14]
TheNewDeal usagi? [23:14]
TheNewDeal god damn english language and it's ambiguous pronouns [23:14]
TheNewDeal and it's similuar looking contractions [23:15]
mircea_popescu yes usagi. [23:15]
TheNewDeal he told me he is still making payments to people to this date... I think it was for bmf ? [23:16]
mircea_popescu part of the problem is that the guy run his affairs cca 2012 as if they were fantasy baseball. buncha names/identities with no substantial business existence or raison d'etre, making the thing difficult to remember or sanely structure historically. [23:17]
mircea_popescu they all traded with each other, often on bizarre terms, which'd make any judge simply lump everything together in disregard of any veils. [23:17]
asciilifeform wait! same usagi to whom someone dedicated a voicing of my crashing bird film ? [23:17]
TheNewDeal crashing bird film should receive a 91% at minimum on rotten tomatoes [23:18]
asciilifeform lol [23:18]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0&feature=youtu.be [23:18]
assbot The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube [23:18]
TheNewDeal I'm just trying to piece usagi's relevancy in the mix [23:19]
fluffypony I'm still waiting for someone to review my film [23:19]
TheNewDeal was he a small time player in the scale of the glbse flop? [23:19]
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TheNewDeal ooooh my [23:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16129 @ 0.00070698 = 11.4029 BTC [+] [23:19]
fluffypony I linked that video to him in -otc the other day [23:20]
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fluffypony [2014-08-17T17:03:00+0200] <+fluffypony> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0 [23:20]
fluffypony [2014-08-17T17:03:50+0200] Fluffypony are you aware that I have actually been offered business as a result of you targeting me? [23:20]
fluffypony [2014-08-17T17:04:11+0200] Look at my WOT brother. The wot itself is telling you how transpareently obvious you are [23:20]
assbot The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube [23:20]
TheNewDeal hadn't watched it with the voiceover yet [23:20]
TheNewDeal 3-5 times better [23:21]
fluffypony TheNewDeal: some dude on Fiverr, I wrote the script and it cost me a whole $5 :-P [23:21]
TheNewDeal always thought G was soft though [23:21]
* asciilifeform was fully immune to pirate, usagi (?), all the other early birds of btc scamdom - how? by having nothing for them to snarf. [23:21]
* asciilifeform owns shirt on his back [23:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform prolly., [23:21]
fluffypony TheNewDeal: I think the hard G sounds better if it's describing a bird :-P [23:21]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal he was a small, very vocal, very entertaining player. [23:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you may have the best roi of all the hollywood majors. [23:22]
fluffypony hah hah [23:22]
TheNewDeal what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism [23:25]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal> what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism << This is the reason for his neg rating. [23:26]
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mircea_popescu i duinno that he did ever make any money, i highyl doubt it. he did go to some personal trouble to try and cover for the various potholes he made, at some point even selling (or claiming to ?) his guitar [23:26]
mircea_popescu he did also sort-of maintain employment in the interval, so w/e. [23:26]
TheNewDeal claimed he was a teacher [23:27]
TheNewDeal kind of scared me [23:27]
mircea_popescu well yeah but of like english [23:27]
mircea_popescu not business. [23:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, gtg and catch yall laters! [23:28]
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