Forum logs for 16 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	%ticker	[00:06]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 235 VWAP: 235	[00:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 70 @ 0.04405928 = 3.0841 BTC [-]	[00:13]
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artifexd	I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here.	[00:26]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[00:32]
gribble	Current Blocks: 306006 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 425 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 11 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13029789422.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.83002	[00:32]
benkay	considered reporting when a bet total ratchets past integer btc at stake? in the same vein as the ticker bots accumulating trades under 1B	[00:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.96067479 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 30(Y):70(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.43833639 BTC. Current weight: 99,389.	[00:36]
artifexd	benkay: Bets within a certain period of time or in total?	[00:40]
benkay	in total, I was thinking.	[00:41]
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benkay	there may be better approaches, artifexd	[00:41]
artifexd	Yeah. They don't happen often enough to consolidate, yet.	[00:42]
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Mats_cd03	benkay: ncurses is p annoying i am reconsidering working on bit-c ;(	[00:47]
benkay	nooooo	[00:49]
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benkay	ui in general is 10x more annoying than other things	[00:50]
punkman	I made my first curses app today	[00:51]
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punkman	using this Urwid library, it's nice but not nice enough	[00:51]
punkman	there must be something better	[00:52]
benkay	if only there were a reactive ncurses thing	[01:01]
benkay	Mats_cd03: does bit-c have anything resembling a usable api?	[01:02]
Mats_cd03	no but parts of the jsonrpc code is written	[01:04]
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Mats_cd03	wat is 'reactive'	[01:07]
Mats_cd03	is this some web4.0	[01:07]
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bitcoinpete	dat hashrate	[01:27]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/nB0rMkF.png	[01:27]
nubbins`	dat tux	[01:27]
bitcoinpete	>103 ph/s	[01:27]
bitcoinpete	tux =/ suit	[01:27]
nubbins`	i meant the magical type of tux	[01:28]
nubbins`	;;gettrust bitcoinpete magicaltux	[01:28]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=magicaltux \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux \| Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010	[01:28]
bitcoinpete	nubbins`: eh i must've missed that in the logs… what's the story?	[01:29]
nubbins`	:(	[01:30]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.58833639 BTC. Current weight: 99,270.	[01:30]
nubbins`	;;google magicaltux	[01:30]
gribble	Mark Karpeles (MagicalTux) on Twitter: ; MagicalTux (Mark Karpeles) · GitHub: ; overview for MagicalTux - Reddit:	[01:30]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust magicaltux	[01:30]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=magicaltux \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux \| Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010	[01:30]
bitcoinpete	;;seen magicaltux	[01:30]
gribble	I have not seen magicaltux.	[01:30]
nubbins`	;;google mark karpeles	[01:31]
gribble	Mark Karpelès - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Mark Karpeles (MagicalTux) on Twitter: ; Mt Gox CEO Mark Karpeles 'Not Willing' To Go To America ...Yet ...:	[01:31]
nubbins`	&c, &c	[01:31]
gribble	Error: "c," is not a valid command.	[01:31]
nubbins`	oh shush	[01:31]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/478121705391403008	[01:32]
assbot	Very nice sunset on Tokyo today http://t.co/3ygEIVkJwM	[01:32]
nubbins`	yeah	[01:32]
nubbins`	comments doubleplus good	[01:32]
fluffypony	VERY NICE	[01:32]
nubbins`	that's not actually the sun off in the distance	[01:32]
nubbins`	it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke nerds	[01:32]
bitcoinpete	lol those comments… "fuck you fatass!"	[01:33]
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bitcoinpete	it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke doods who can't download and backup multibit	[01:34]
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benkay	Mats_cd03: it's a mathematical formalism for talking about systems that evolve over time in response to inputs.	[01:35]
benkay	Mats_cd03: consider a program that's essentially a function of a time series of events	[01:36]
bitcoinpete	so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles	[01:37]
bitcoinpete	"DigitalBTC, which began as a mining operation but also engages in bitcoin trading and is developing retail and consumer applications, debuted on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX) this morning as Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC) (ASX code: DCC)."	[01:37]
benkay	Mats_cd03: reactive:imperative::ragel:a pile of regexes	[01:37]
benkay	of course asciilifeform will tell me that someone came up with the notion in the fifties and everyone forgot all about it	[01:37]
bitcoinpete	"Legal requirements for the listing will make digitalBTC “the most transparent bitcoin company around”, according to a spokesperson." << and the biggest! fastest!	[01:38]
bitcoinpete	http://www.coindesk.com/digitalbtc-makes-history-australian-stock-market-debut/	[01:39]
assbot	DigitalBTC Makes History With Australian Stock Market Debut	[01:39]
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kakobrekla	now i have a problem. how do i describe a thing that actually is biggest, first, best and so on.	[01:40]
bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: with data, i suppose.	[01:41]
bitcoinpete	http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/March-2014-Quarterly-Update.pdf	[01:41]
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bitcoinpete	digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win!	[01:42]
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bitcoinpete	thankfully, they made $1.6m from the share sale	[01:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07453442 = 0.7453 BTC [-]	[01:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083202 = 2.7457 BTC [+]	[01:45]
nubbins`	phew	[01:46]
nubbins`	do that 9 more times and you've got $10mn	[01:46]
nubbins`	think of the respect that kind of coin would buy you	[01:47]
bitcoinpete	since they'll never get that $10m worth of coins, they gotta settle for dat ausbuck	[01:48]
bitcoinpete	argentina 1 - bosnia 0	[01:50]
bitcoinpete	at the half	[01:50]
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mthreat	i hear the neighbors make noise when they score	[01:50]
bitcoinpete	mthreat: where are you located again?	[01:52]
mthreat	buenos aires	[01:53]
mthreat	so when i say neighbors, I mean _all_ the neighbors	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00083202 = 7.405 BTC [+]	[01:53]
bitcoinpete	lol well ya	[01:54]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[02:15]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 577.21, vol: 9761.74530252 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.001, vol: 6303.49953 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 14402.56292735 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 586.08, vol: 39.0372826 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 584.108, vol: 4206.21900000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 589.547, vol: 36.0798484 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 579.2524932, vol: 47.95354313 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[02:15]
gribble	581.747656914	[02:15]
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BingoBoingo	%book	[02:18]
atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 \| 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172	[02:18]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what happened to the MPOE may statement?	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00082914 = 13.515 BTC [-] {2}	[02:27]
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benkay	thestringpuller: it's coming next month. see logs ;)	[02:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07317701 = 2.5612 BTC [-] {7}	[02:41]
thestringpuller	benkay: thx found it	[02:44]
thestringpuller	didn't know though there'd be a trilema post	[02:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07036291 = 2.1109 BTC [-] {6}	[02:46]
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thestringpuller	%diff	[03:19]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 438803.55 in 889 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.66	[03:19]
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BingoBoingo	https://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=53051.0	[03:26]
assbot	Dry Erase Boards vs. Chalk Boards	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21966306 = 1.5376 BTC [-] {4}	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	o hai ass ets	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here. << :p	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	o hai	[03:37]
Panadol	pankkake paxtoncamaro91 penguirker Perlboy phf pi07r Pilate pizzaman1337 Poffertje PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman1	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	lol noboy voiced * pmarcup (~circuser-@12.130.117.131) has joined #bitcoin-assets ? what if it was teh horowitz guy ?	[03:39]
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BingoBoingo	http://oglaf.com/ladder/	[03:39]
assbot	ladder	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	Well, did pmarcup ask anyone for voice?	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	i dun get it ;/	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	The simplest test for having a minimal level of participation in this channel is now, when realizing you can't speak can you ask someone online to offer you voice. It's such a low barrier to entry that... If the Horowitz guy could not solve that problem...	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	this is a point	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[03:42]
gribble	Current Blocks: 306036 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 31 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13088465973.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 11.32912	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves had it, look at the hash explosion	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	Coin Terra's data center is in Utah. I wonder how much hash they have out there in the desert...	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	is ghash still 50% ?	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles << why ? they wanna compete in the ghlobal markets.	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	I haven't looked.	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	thankfully, they made $1.6m from the share sale << kinda pathetic i guess.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	* mthreat watching it too << dude everyone here was watching it, it was uncanny going down the streets and seeing everybody in all the eateries, bars, restaurants, everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	the waiters gathered round like they're not even working there	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	etc	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	under 40% now	[03:49]
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mircea_popescu	ghash i mean	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up anthor_	[03:51]
-assbot-	You voiced anthor_ for 30 minutes.	[03:51]
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mthreat	... everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca << it's a religion... apparently in 1978 when they won the world cup, it was big a distraction as the government was kidnapping, torturing, and killing 30,000 "desaparecidos".	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	o which reminds me, whats with this bruno guy in peur	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	a ok, mental case. nm.	[04:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20934 @ 0.0008258 = 17.2873 BTC [-] {2}	[04:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082742 = 21.0992 BTC [+]	[04:20]
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kakobrekla	under 40% now < thats whats published.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	conspiraci ?	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	the over 50% that sent todd in a tizzy was also what's published.	[04:51]
kakobrekla	yes but its not a problem until you are at 50	[04:51]
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kakobrekla	they supposedly turned off 20% of their power and total network is +11%	[04:52]
kakobrekla	not going well together	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:53]
asciilifeform	the notion that public knows anything about distribution of hash cycles - is a bit strange.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not just up 11%	[04:53]
kakobrekla	well whatever.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	in fact, it's 11% over TWO WEEKS, when two days ago it was up 5%	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	so it made .06 of 14 days in one. it's up 100%	[04:53]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform muy.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	but quite in line with the presumptious ignorance of redditards. they also think they know things about politics, and even imagine they influence it.	[04:54]
thestringpuller	;;calc 20 * 180	[05:00]
gribble	3600	[05:00]
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thestringpuller	do the redditards think they influenced the hash distribution?	[05:09]
asciilifeform	sure.	[05:09]
asciilifeform	(see the 40% figure)	[05:10]
Mats_cd03	spurs dominating :(	[05:10]
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thestringpuller	go to r/bitcoin. digitalbtc is one of the top posts. bitcoinpete already destroyed it in the logs...	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	uh why destroyed ?	[05:13]
thestringpuller	+bitcoinpete> digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win! << watching game of thrones when I read that, sorry i is no good with these things they call words	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	a, that. well... "pe investitii"	[05:14]
thestringpuller	random: i guess the accounting standard for the zero asset corporation is self explanatory?	[05:18]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller should be. "1. distribute all income."	[05:24]
thestringpuller	ah, and of capital pool that is used to operate? (like the mpoe bond)	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	well that'd depend on the arrangement the bond has. it's not required or anything	[05:28]
thestringpuller	it seems beneficiary for people to see no? Is that more of a "Misc"?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of that dude, it just depends on how the bond is structured. as the bond is structured, so it is reported.	[05:30]
elgrecoFL	empyex Enky equex everclear Evolyn	[05:30]
thestringpuller	understood.	[05:30]
thestringpuller	thank you.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	not all an0 have to have some sort of mpoe bond equivalnent just becaue mpoe did	[05:30]
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thestringpuller	yea but if the company isn't required to hold assets to operate then...	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	that's what an0 is. no assets.	[05:32]
thestringpuller	doesn't require* (not isn't)	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	uh a0 i mean	[05:32]
thestringpuller	okay sorry was confused there for a second	[05:32]
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nubbins`	;;view	[06:13]
gribble	#20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.042584 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	such a delightful insider joke that :D	[06:16]
nubbins`	not unpopular so far, either	[06:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26230 @ 0.00082336 = 21.5967 BTC [-] {3}	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	curious if they end up collector's items lol	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	%book	[06:22]
atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 \| 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172	[06:22]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/IhcV6Fc.jpg	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	hmm how did you get the volume again ?	[06:22]
nubbins`	unsure	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	someone should put on their blog a complete guide of all the commands for all the bots	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	that'd be one hell of a reference piece	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	actually, it should go in the wiki tbh	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	;;seen moiety	[06:22]
gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 hours, 41 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: krs1 have you tried releasing the nick in case they havent registered it?	[06:22]
nubbins`	wiki would be the place	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell moiety hey, when you have a moment mebbe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2014#720214	[06:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:23]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	this thing's grown so complex by now it defies memory.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	actually i should prolly bitch at botmasters too.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	FabianB and was atcbot mod6 iirc. who's running []bot artifexd ?	[06:25]
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mod6	whats up mp?	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	for atcbot i mean. it was yours wasn't it ?	[06:30]
mod6	yup. sure. I can work on that this week np.	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	ty	[06:30]
mod6	yw	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	hanbot shit it's actually "hipsters" anagram	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	now what do i do	[06:33]
artifexd	[]bot is mine! yes	[06:34]
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artifexd	stupid autocorrect.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	http://collarme.com/2014/05/hello-world/ << largest bdsm forum closes, apparently tons of drama	[06:35]
assbot	Where is Collarme? \| Where is Collarme?	[06:35]
artifexd	[]bot is mine! yes.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	artifexd mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?	[06:35]
artifexd	if I ever add commands, no problem.	[06:36]
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mircea_popescu	o wait	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	i thjought it had some.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	my bad. see, i have nfi what's going on even	[06:37]
artifexd	Shall I put something on there about it showing all bets created and bets placed in ##bitbet-rt ?	[06:39]
hanbot	this collarme closure thingie reads like a slightly more literate (though entirely as retarded) forum ipo pronouncement of lost marbles.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	artifexd we prolly need a Bots megapage anyway. so this could go in botlist and then bot commands could be further down the page, as a list	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	hanbot you don' say.	[06:40]
mod6	mp: i'll work in a change so that it'll show bids/asks sub 1000 on the book command, instead of the 0s.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	mod6 the 0's are kinda funny. and also you know, maybe one day Ms	[06:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00082786 = 13.8253 BTC [+]	[06:40]
mod6	i've got another change to merge in too, a bugfix to the time-since-last-block thing too.	[06:40]
bitstein	I shared this with bitcoinpete the other day. It's been a very influential essay for me since high school. It explains what I appreciate about groups like #bitcoin-assets. You guys should read it: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html	[06:41]
assbot	Isaiah's Job by Albert Jay Nock	[06:41]
artifexd	;;later tell kakobrekla Can I get a wiki account please?	[06:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	so this collarme thing is basically... couple broke up, then the girl's new boyfriend insited on a contract... quite drama-y	[06:42]
hanbot	I continued to work on Collarme.com and even answered work emails while I was at the hospital in labor.	[06:44]
asciilifeform	as with all such stories, would be interesting to read the 'enemy' side	[06:44]
hanbot	where's the footage ffs	[06:44]
artifexd	Why would my dumb ass ipad autocorrect "[]bot is mine, yes" to "[]bot is mine! yes" TWICE!?	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform srsly.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	artifexd try bitcoin-apple ? :D	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, this got everything. tetralogy of fallot even	[06:46]
mthreat	bitstein: are you in Austin?	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	i vote best drama of the week award.	[06:46]
bitstein	mthreat: depends on who is asking	[06:46]
bitstein	(Yes, I am.)	[06:47]
mthreat	bitstein: just checking, i met you at one or two of the bitcoin meetups at central market	[06:47]
mthreat	bitstein: i'm living in argentina now, so i haven't been around there for a while	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	the small world.	[06:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31135 @ 0.00082856 = 25.7972 BTC [+] {2}	[06:48]
bitstein	Ah, cool. Well hopefully I will see you in April then.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	if the woman owned the domain - why no fork ?	[06:53]
asciilifeform	why the lament page instead	[06:53]
asciilifeform	somehow this doesn't make sense	[06:54]
asciilifeform	(or i'm thick)	[06:54]
Apocalyptic	because theatrality	[06:54]
asciilifeform	fork, wait to be sued, win	[06:54]
asciilifeform	if her hands atrophied from grief, sure there's some fellow willing to do it for a %	[06:55]
asciilifeform	http://collarme.com/2014/05/an-attempt-to-answer-some-questions/#comment-1764	[06:56]
assbot	An attempt to answer some questions. \| Where is Collarme?	[06:56]
asciilifeform	^ interesting	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	i've not got that far	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	why the lament page instead << she cnat coed.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	also, woman with newborn. she can't do anything whatsoever.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	can presumably contract it out	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	from what i read, she already has.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	guy ran off with the code.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	aha	[06:58]
asciilifeform	the thing, as i understand - is dead	[06:59]
asciilifeform	regardless of who sues/wins	[07:00]
asciilifeform	sucks for the aficionados.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	twas kinda dead anyway. us moving to a new puritan paradigm. gays made it, bdsm-ers did not.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	such a soviet.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	somebody's gotta be lowered into pederasty. what kind of russian prison can you run without this.	[07:00]
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mircea_popescu	who was doing bitcoinj again ?	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	!up Blazedout419	[07:04]
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mircea_popescu	!up blg	[07:04]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I believe Hearn does bitcoinJ	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[07:09]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the response from the op is... http://collarspace.com/	[07:11]
assbot	LadyTerra15877 ree. no cost, no obligation. It might be the most important thing youdo this year !	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	new domain, nary a word. the end.	[07:11]
asciilifeform	who's surprised?	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	tbh i was kinda expectring moar drama, but hey.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	they don't have a bitcoin price to pump up	[07:13]
Mats_cd03	new domain but the site sucks; lots of whitespace to my right on a 4:3 screen	[07:19]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[07:27]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 592.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 592.2, 24 hour volume: 9345.60777045, 24 hour low: 552.11, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.809383939	[07:27]
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thestringpuller	%diff	[07:43]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436334.06 in 875 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01	[07:43]
thestringpuller	shit's gonna plummet	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	iirc it's usually at -70%	[07:44]
thestringpuller	it has to go up sometimes?	[07:46]
Apocalyptic	it did somthing like +400% at the previous diff periode	[07:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0299999 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}	[07:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.20618858 = 8.8661 BTC [-] {9}	[07:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.2005441 = 13.637 BTC [-] {8}	[07:51]
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mircea_popescu	goes up 400% in like 3 days, then -70% over, predictably, fourish weeks	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	consequently, it spends most time at -70%	[07:53]
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Apocalyptic	;;later tell bitstein interesting essay, thank you	[08:02]
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FabianB	kakobrekla: can i get a wiki account for bot documentation?	[08:26]
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mircea_popescu	davout the supreme court does not offer advisory oppinions. it'll only consider cases where there's a real controversy.	[16:56]
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davout	mircea_popescu: so you're saying there's no way to ask for clarification regarding a bet wording?	[16:58]
fluffypony	take him out for supper first before asking for his opinion	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	there's no way to pull clarification. mods might push it, but you can't rely on that	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	the only approach is to make bets clear an' stick to it.	[16:59]
davout	aren't mods supposed to enforce bet clarity?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[17:00]
davout	lame	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	unavoidable.	[17:00]
pankkake	well then, why would anyone bet on the bet now?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	but if i manage to hire some transcendents i might change it.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	pankkake because they have a theory as to what it means.	[17:01]
davout	take this for example : "or if 30-day volume drops under 100 BTC. "	[17:01]
davout	volume taken from where ?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	best effort :)	[17:02]
davout	refusing to clarify this, when asked well in advance doesn't really constitute best effort imo	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	"refusing to make me tortoise soup, when asked well in advance, doesn't constitute good mothership"	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	i ain't your mother.	[17:03]
Mats_cd03	but, ma...!	[17:03]
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fluffypony	oh well	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, the bet is not up for resolution. there's no effort to be put in.	[17:04]
davout	mircea_popescu: i'm not asking anyone to make me something, i'm asking how the bet resolves, clear resolvability is a desired property is it not?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	desired it may be. it being desired does not by itself make it possible.	[17:04]
pankkake	but bitbet mods clarified bets in the past	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[17:05]
davout	is it impossible today to decide whether the volume source will by X, Y, or Z ?	[17:05]
davout	"First and foremost, statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet."	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	davout well if you were to propose that bet now it'd get rejected im pretty sure.	[17:06]
davout	without a source for the "volume" information, it is not possible to univocally establish (vol > 100)	[17:06]
davout	i wouldn't really propose such a bet	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	well so then there we go.	[17:06]
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pankkake	I can create a source for volume info, from the raw trade data	[17:07]
davout	mircea_popescu: so if it'd get rejected now, why do you insist it is not clarifiable?	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	that awkward moment when you write to a estudio de abogados named X, Y, Z and K and the next morning a reply awaits from Gonzalez X.	[17:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00082079 = 32.0518 BTC [+] {2}	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	davout because it's not dude. what the fuck do i know what you'll be doing next. if you were going to change the thing';s name why da fuck did you bet on it as it is etc.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	in any event, bitbet comes last in the sort. you don't change your actions by what bitbet says it's gonna do. you do what you do, then when the time comes bitbet looks at it and calls it something.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	and whatever it calls it, that's what it is.	[17:10]
davout	well, because i'm like the bitbet mod, i didn't really realize it wasn't clear enough	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	that's unfortunate. but you're not like the bitbet mod, in that... well, in that you aren't.	[17:10]
punkman	davout, you could just keep bitcoin-central.net running until 2015 :P	[17:11]
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davout	i'm just curious about the point behind not clarifying bets when their wording leave some space to ambiguity	[17:12]
davout	especially when it's brought up long in advance	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	because you gotta limit your touching the things. all business runs on the principle of limiting responsibility.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	bitbet reviews bets exactly twice : when they're entered, and when they're resolved.	[17:12]
davout	what do you mean by "your touching the things" ?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	can't follow around constantly reviewing and clarifying the wording every time reality twists some way or the other.	[17:13]
los_pantalones	and you really shouldn't change a bet after it's open	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones hasn't really happened to date.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	(pls don't look in the logs)	[17:13]
los_pantalones	i'm agreeing w/ you	[17:13]
los_pantalones	to touch as little as possible	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	davout anyway, this is a solidly established principle of law, that a court won't review possibilities and implications,	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	or generally the future. courts review the past.	[17:14]
davout	i don't know about other countries, but the law in france has this mechanism where whenever you need clarification on the law from the taxes administration, you can ask them to make a binding answer	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	but that's administrative.	[17:15]
davout	it's economics	[17:15]
davout	can cost you money	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	you can definitely ask the king to tell you wtf it intends to do. because the king is a sovereign, and thus an agent, and thus can have intent.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	courts aren't either agents nor capable of intent.	[17:16]
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pankkake	so the king is the bet author?	[17:18]
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davout	apparently there's no king, bitbet is a court, in some sort of quantic superposition state	[17:19]
fluffypony	Schrodinger's Bitbet	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well strictly speaking davout's the king here lol.	[17:20]
davout	i'm simply asking whether there's milk or poison in the vial	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	you made the vial dood, what do you want from me. when the time to open it comes i'll feed it to a cat and let you know.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony hey, when were you talking about the summarizing thing ? was it the 12th ?	[17:21]
fluffypony	oof	[17:21]
fluffypony	let me grep quickly	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	or what was the guy's name ?	[17:22]
davout	the more i think about it, the more similarities i see between bitbet and the rota	[17:22]
fluffypony	7th	[17:22]
fluffypony	darlidada	[17:22]
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fluffypony	he hasn't started on it yet - he's busy till the end of the month, so we're still fleshing everything out	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	ty	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	i just used it inter alia to get out of investor's questioning. http://trilema.com/2014/smg-may-2014-statement/#comment-101275	[17:24]
assbot	S.MG, May 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:24]
fluffypony	lol	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	also, i am shocked, shocked and appalled i say, that nobody;s said a word of la gayola	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	it's almost like i'm the only one that finds it hysterically funny or something	[17:25]
davout	i wanted to make fun of you about your camembert, but i figured you were already punished enough	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	that thing...	[17:27]
davout	what the fuck were you thinking	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	i'm stupid like this ;/	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	constantly trying out new things and getting curious and whatnot	[17:27]
davout	lol	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	you tell me that you were here, and saw a local knockoff of a tin of camembert and you wouldn't have paid the $2.80 to see wtf is in there.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	the wood box they fucking made. the camembert inside... who the fuck needs it.	[17:29]
davout	i guess not doubting anymore is well worth $3	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	besides, what if it were really good	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	you'd never have heard the end of it	[17:29]
davout	i'd have argued the argentinian version doesn't have a soul	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	i'd have killed young argentinian girls and sprayed their virginal blood all over it to win the argument	[17:30]
davout	a nice instagram filter would have been largely sufficient	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	kinda what i was thinking.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's weird how this works. i'm from transylvania, where cattle is queen. dairy cattle.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	in argentina, cattle is king. meat cattle.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	never the twain should fucking meet, these people haveno idea of dairy at all	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	much like i pity the fool trying to eat romanian beef.	[17:32]
davout	i'm extremely curious about ar steak	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	you can't imagine it.	[17:32]
davout	my curiosity is extreme	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	much like you know, you think you know what a banana tastes like, but you're WRONG. you'll discover the full body of flavour of that fruit once you live in the tropics	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	it literally is like europeans only eat 7yos, and there's a world of 23 yo bananas out there unbeknownst to them	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	with like banana tits and all.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	the beef steak here is so tender chicken seems game by comparison.	[17:33]
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davout	i can get really really tender beef here, i wonder how it compares	[17:34]
davout	i also wonder how it compares to aged beef	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	well it's possible you had it imported, in which case the shock won't quite rise to the level of epiphany	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	but they also cook it quite well.	[17:35]
davout	(and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it)	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, argentina is meat eater's paradise, that's for sure.	[17:35]
davout	also they seem smart enough to serve a bowl of salad as a side	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	only if you order it.	[17:36]
davout	ah	[17:36]
davout	when i saw it on your picture i was all like "such meat art de vivre"	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	in general you have to do a lot of customisation to make restaurant food fit for human consumption. in their view, serving a two pound steak with three ounces of sweet potato fried in oil, and then a pound of chocolate with dulce de leche mixed in is perfectly adequate asd a meal	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	if you have problems swallowing it all they'll more than happily get you some (excellent btw) malbec	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	and yet, which is the mystery, they're not overweight these people.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	they must not eat at home like in the restaurant or something.	[17:38]
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davout	that's not very surprising, is it?	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	to me it is, yes	[17:39]
davout	that they don't eat at home the same way as in restaurants?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	romanian restaurant dishes consist basically of what women make at home. much like in say normandy	[17:40]
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davout	in normandy?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	iiiiiiin normandee!	[17:43]
davout	that got lost on me	[17:44]
davout	i have this sadistic little satisfaction, knowing that log readers will have to endure this discussion about cheese and steak to be able to cross the log-reading from their todo	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	what, this is sadism ? my dear boy! you ain't seen nothing yet	[17:45]
davout	i don't think i have :-)	[17:46]
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pankkake	the bitbet discussion was more painful	[17:46]
punkman	davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it) <- you can let a steak sit in your fridge a few days (or more if you are careful), it's usually an improvement	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Auteur:Colette << fucking pointless wikipedia	[17:47]
assbot	Colette - Wikisource	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	so i was going to make a girl read claudine a l'ecole	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	da fuck do i do now	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	punkman actually, i like to age it in dough.	[17:48]
punkman	haven't tried that, sounds good	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	you know how to make beef wellington ?	[17:49]
punkman	nope	[17:50]
davout	pankkake: if it isn't painful it means it's probably not very useful either	[17:50]
davout	punkman: no, by aged, i mean really aged, like you have to cut the green parts off	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	it's not too hard : boil liver, grind it into a paste with butter and spices ; sear a steak, cover it in sauteed mushrooms and the liver paste ; make a dough, put the whole thing in it, seal and oven.	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	aging beef in dough is exactly thesame, sans liver (and mushrooms) and with much thicker dough : sear the steak, put it in a dough envelope, cook this and let it sit.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	it will never go bad, if you sear it correctly.	[17:51]
davout	it'll turn to ham right?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	not until your dough pierces through anyway	[17:51]
n6	nanotube napedia Naphex navhul-lacsup nezZario nick1234abcd_ nii236\|irssi nkuttler NormDePloome	[17:52]
n6	nanotube napedia Naphex navhul-lacsup nezZario nick1234abcd_ nii236\|irssi nkuttler NormDePloome	[17:52]
davout	punkman: http://media.abccom.cyberscope.fr/cache/6/500_500/lmh201_page22_image5.jpg	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	davout you can make a ham-y thing this way, if you add curing stuff inside, but just by itself it turns to...	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	well i dunno, beef aged in dough	[17:52]
davout	lol	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	and here we are exchanging recipes	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	i suppose next topic is whether our husbands beat us recently, and how hard was it.	[17:53]
davout	let's light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives.	[17:54]
davout	you mean we can use plain candles instead?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	we could be naked and summon satan ?	[17:54]
davout	if that's the romanian version of a tupperware meeting, sure	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:55]
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pankkake	still better than the discussions I hear behind me	[17:57]
pankkake	unless you care about makeup and stuff	[17:58]
davout	we were just getting started	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah i like to add a little blush to my ballsack	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	makes the hairs stand out more	[17:58]
los_pantalones	http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html	[17:58]
assbot	The Food Lab's Complete Guide to Dry-Aging Beef at Home \| Serious Eats	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	i read that as "serious teats"	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	notmyfault.	[17:59]
los_pantalones	makes sense given the context	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones a yes, the guy has a point as to "proper" aging. you can't do sngle steaks	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	which is what makes my dough protector required.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	tho i never went to 60 days o.O	[18:02]
los_pantalones	there was cooking show "2 Fat Ladies" back in the day	[18:03]
los_pantalones	they used to do your dough technique	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[18:03]
los_pantalones	but they would bury the steak too	[18:03]
*	mircea_popescu honestly thought he had invented it ;/	[18:03]
los_pantalones	well, before you go on thinking you didn't	[18:04]
los_pantalones	let me see if i can find	[18:04]
los_pantalones	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84bCD1fd4ew	[18:05]
assbot	Two Fat Ladies talk about Vegetarians - YouTube	[18:05]
los_pantalones	not the episode	[18:05]
los_pantalones	but for your entertainment	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[18:09]
los_pantalones	keep your dough age crown, i can't find	[18:09]
los_pantalones	MY BAD	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	davout btw, los_pantalones actually had a decent local steak here	[18:10]
los_pantalones	quite decent	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't say it's the best i had, but certainly not ashamed of sharing it	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	like, A grade.	[18:10]
los_pantalones	agreed	[18:10]
davout	lol	[18:11]
punkman	mircea_popescu: what's the best steak you've had?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	also here, but after that.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	i'm getting better at finding places :D	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	come to think of it, this is a passible definition of happiness : the best steak i've had was this year.	[18:13]
punkman	I think best I've had was in an argentinian restaurant (imported)	[18:14]
punkman	but I gotta try the real thing	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	$conference	[18:14]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 10 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.23945167 BTC	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	you showin' up ?	[18:14]
punkman	probably gonna have to wait for the next one, but I might make it happen	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	"I aged a 107, a 109A, and a 109 Export in a mini-fridge (this one from Avanti) set at 40°F in which I placed a small desk fan in order to allow air to circulate (I had to cut a small notch in the sealing strip around the door to allow the fan's cord to pass through), simulating a dry-aging room on a small scale. "	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha WHAT	[18:15]
los_pantalones	this guy kenji is the best	[18:16]
los_pantalones	MIT grad, quit his maths to cook	[18:16]
los_pantalones	debunks a lot of bad science about food	[18:16]
punkman	I wonder if jap beef is worthy of the hype	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones interesting. punkman notrly. what japaneseis worthy of the hype ?	[18:17]
los_pantalones	think he's askin about kobe	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ima go meet my lawyers nao. later girlfriends! we can do our toenails when i return!	[18:17]
Mats_cd03	http://i.imgur.com/4nhUs.png	[18:21]
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asciilifeform	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/cia_rendition_jet_was_waiting_in_europe_to_snatch_snowden	[18:28]
assbot	CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to SNATCH SNOWDEN The Register	[18:28]
asciilifeform	^ tabloid piece on flying gasenwagen	[18:28]
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asciilifeform	in other (not quite) news,	[18:35]
asciilifeform	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904	[18:35]
assbot	Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.071548 = 1.1448 BTC [+] {3}	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00082407 = 22.0027 BTC [+]	[18:42]
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mike_c	JD invested bankroll biggest since 6 months ago..	[18:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94502472 BTC to 9`094 shares, 21388 satoshi per share	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.35013287 BTC to 152`507 shares, 1541 satoshi per share	[19:02]
mike_c	!t h rent	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00409990 / 0.00416468 / 0.00429300 (101 shares, 0.42063260 BTC), 7D: 0.00370000 / 0.00404595 / 0.00449890 (426 shares, 1.72357521 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00459634 / 0.00648989 (4787 shares, 22.00269540 BTC)	[19:03]
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bitcoinpete	;;later tell mircea_popescu d series starts nao http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/06/16/bitgo-raises-12mil-draws-attention-of-institutional-investors/	[19:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:07]
assbot	BitGo Raises $12Mil, Draws Attention of Institutional Investors - Forbes	[19:07]
bitcoinpete	dat multisig	[19:07]
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fluffypony	dem institutionals	[19:13]
bitcoinpete	;;bc,stats	[19:13]
gribble	Current Blocks: 306160 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 271 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 50 minutes, and 54 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13236343139.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 12.58695	[19:13]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: playaz, all a dem	[19:13]
fluffypony	yeah	[19:13]
fluffypony	so institutional they need to be IN an institution	[19:14]
bitcoinpete	bitcoin might even hit 14b this next adjustment	[19:14]
bitcoinpete	https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty	[19:14]
assbot	Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom	[19:14]
bitcoinpete	108ph/s and climbing like nuts	[19:14]
mike_c	wanna bet? :)	[19:14]
mike_c	14b can't happen that fast	[19:15]
bitcoinpete	mike_c: lol not quite	[19:15]
bitcoinpete	but not far off either	[19:15]
benkay	https://eris.projectdouglas.org/	[19:15]
assbot	Eris, by Project ouglas	[19:15]
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bitcoinpete	the bet won't need a 3rd adjustment before bastille day	[19:16]
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bitcoinpete	that much looks bankable	[19:16]
fluffypony	!up darlidada	[19:17]
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fluffypony	darlidada: plz repeat story here	[19:18]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete will love it	[19:18]
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benkay	"The hard deadline of 17 June 2014 means the Project Ðouglas Dev Team has not had time to test all of the functions we would like for Eris v 0.1. " << still not seeing code	[19:19]
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benkay	wow it has a built in bureacracy	[19:19]
benkay	okay now i see something resembling 'code'	[19:21]
darlidada	have you guys read about the latest crazy stupid story on bitcointalk ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0	[19:22]
assbot	Big scam in NXT hundreds of BTC stolen with a one post	[19:22]
darlidada	to be fair it doesnt come frome bitcointalk this time, but from the nxt community	[19:22]
darlidada	some guy from nxtforum makes a post without a gpg signature	[19:22]
darlidada	ask 400 btcs for some business he cant talk about because nda and stuff	[19:23]
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darlidada	90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked	[19:23]
kakobrekla	the more shady the faster the money flows	[19:23]
benkay	huh look ethereum has code in the wild	[19:23]
benkay	https://github.com/project-douglas/epm	[19:23]
assbot	project-douglas/epm GitHub	[19:23]
darlidada	THEN people start to send him pm regarding the deal and when no one answear they freak out	[19:23]
darlidada	surprisingly it was a scam	[19:23]
bitcoinpete	darlidada: absolutely priceless	[19:25]
bitcoinpete	best roi for a forum post… evar	[19:25]
pankkake	while you should assume anyone on bitcointalk is a scammer, you should assume anything altcoin is a scam - after all, it would only be a scam in a scam	[19:26]
benkay	I feel I can do this deal because I know this is going to boost the value of NXT exponentially.	[19:26]
pankkake	"Scammers don't bother sending me a PM trying to get me to send NXT first, with my reputation this deal is BTC first."	[19:26]
pankkake	feels like I'm reading Goat	[19:26]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: I wish we'd come up with this idea, we could've IPO'd the idea	[19:27]
bitcoinpete	i don't think it's too late	[19:27]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/478569949347069953	[19:28]
assbot	BitGo Raises $12 million Series A http://t.co/7aTKHPZ29r by /PerianneDC via /Forbes Congrats /willobrien /mikebelshe /bendavenport /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash	[19:28]
bitcoinpete	let's see if the bitgo kids respond	[19:28]
bitcoinpete	unlike the bitangels… and coindeskers	[19:28]
bitcoinpete	etc	[19:28]
pankkake	IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams	[19:28]
bitcoinpete	but i gotta jet for a bit. bbl today	[19:29]
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pankkake	http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ <= flattr was one of the last easy ways to fund things semi anonymously (many grey area websites use it)	[19:33]
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pankkake	This Is Good for Bitcoin™	[19:33]
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davout	haha, stupid protuguese	[19:39]
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benkay	keep calm and prepare for rectothermal analysis	[19:40]
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kakobrekla	get in the wot and all that jazz ?	[19:49]
penguirker	New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/	[19:49]
fluffypony	;;gettrust darlidada	[19:49]
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kakobrekla	thar, easy come easy go.	[19:54]
darlidada	ty:)	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 << kinda why everyone sane is using homebrew crypto stack.	[20:04]
assbot	Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete fluffypony insitutiolol	[20:05]
asciilifeform	'358375th cockroach found in brooklyn motel. news at 11'	[20:05]
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fluffypony	lol	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	"Eris -- A ÐAO Framework by Project Ðouglas" ; "This proposal is made in response to a post on Reddit.com by Olivier Janssens announcing a bounty of an amount of bitcoin equivalent to USD$100,000"	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	this can only end in tears.	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	"blabla" << still not seeing code << they have a NAME right ? and it has like inclusive specxial characters in it and everything, right ? THEY HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY SHOULD CRITICISE THEM!!!!	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	let alone that the platform doing what the bitcoin foundation aspired to and never actually did is right here, and has been in business for years	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	but why should any retarded kid have to do his homework or anything	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked << the theory that any qty of nxt is worth any qty of btc has serious flaws.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	some derps thought whatever pile of mastercoin is worth btc, discovered that no, it's not quite recently.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	ask the chinese, maybe it helps them get it up, like tiger horns.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	feels like I'm reading Goat << quite.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams << the warrior forum in action lol.	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	"John (Peter Manglaviti) was essentially the public leader of NxT, he was the one who represented NxT's booth at several public conferences / expos and seminars and he was the man the public dealt with. " << bwahaha. HE WAS IN A BOOTH!!1	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if ticket sellers at cinemas have an easy moneymaker now : sell the building to forum investors.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	"of course i own the whole block. i'm in a booth here aren't i ?!	[20:14]
davout	sounds legit	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[14:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 593.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 593.34, 24 hour volume: 14577.00883217, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 591.21044887	[14:32]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/	[14:37]
assbot	The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	suffer, biotch :D	[14:37]
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mircea_popescu	"We (Dennis McKinnon, Casey Kuhlman, and Preston Byrne (the Project Ðouglas Dev Team)) do not intend, nor is our proposal designed, to replace or compete with the Bitcoin Foundation. Using traditional forms of organisational governance, the Bitcoin Foundation has played a critical role in standardising the Bitcoin protocol and encouraging adoption of cryptoprotocols’ use worldwide. We are grateful for its efforts an	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	d look forward to learning how we can work together."	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	ajhahaha o get fucked.	[14:42]
BingoBoingo	punkman: That is an interesting link.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	"We have not slept for three weeks."	[14:42]
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fluffypony	Preston Byrne	[14:45]
fluffypony	wasn't he that blogger that had a tiff with you?	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	no, it was some derp that purported he's commenting on what i did and said and i pointed out to him that before attempting that he needs to pass a ged.	[14:45]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives. << I had a disappointing lapse into Americanisms today. I timed my return drive poorly and passed the restaurants before they opened. Ended up getting fried chicken livers at the supermarket and eating them as I drove the rest of the way back.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	but basically yeah, there's names which serve as marks of failure. something with goat involved, or nefario, or preston byrne or taaki etc can only fail	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	just how amusing it'll fail is up to circumstance, but yeah.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i love chicken liver.	[14:46]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Got two one pound packages still hot for $3.50, I love passing through the middle of nowhere.	[14:47]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/	[14:56]
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punkman	BingoBoingo: will publish source soon, any ideas for extended bet analysis or other tools?	[15:00]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/ << More reason to suspect HFT types have been on this train for a while.	[15:00]
assbot	Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register	[15:00]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: the same thought occurred to me	[15:01]
BingoBoingo	punkman: Not that I can think of atm. Numbers tend to influence how much I bet rather than whether I bet in the first place.	[15:02]
BingoBoingo	punkman: As I play with it I'll prolly think of things	[15:02]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: see this ancient thread - http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3756	[15:04]
assbot	Not all programmers are alike: a language rant \| Locklin on science	[15:04]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I remember that last time you dropped that link and the doubters in the thread, but now... If even Microsoft can pull off FPGA acceleration...	[15:05]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: don't make the classic mistake of reading this as microshit product r&d	[15:05]
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asciilifeform	'microsoft research' has nothing to do with the company's product pipeline	[15:06]
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asciilifeform	it's a 'corral' for elderly phds. a kind of 'respectability farm' that many u.s. zaibatsus operate	[15:06]
asciilifeform	gets them free press, and keeps the inmates out of trouble	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	"Go with a straight-dataflow paradigm, where all operations are part of a dependency graph (and if your chip is large enough, exist at all times as physical objects which wait for their inputs to become available, and signal their successors within picoseconds of their output becoming ready.)" << tbh, this is not only grand in theory	[15:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I played with Singularity a bit when it was fresh. The "respectability farm" is the impression I got.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	but afaik no "asic miner" actually does it	[15:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is known as asynchronous logic. see 'muller's gate.' i vaguely recall that we spoke of it on at least one occasion.	[15:07]
asciilifeform	i cannot claim to have invented it (herr muller, 1956?) but might be the only one left taking it seriously.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	yes, at which point i prolly observed that it's a technologee current bitcoin miners don't got.	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	;;google Loper no formats no format wars	[15:08]
gribble	Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.: ; Loper OS » Idea: ; No Formats, no Format Wars. - Loper OS:	[15:08]
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asciilifeform	an asynch. circuit has interesting properties. for instance, it clocks itself up when you cool it.	[15:08]
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asciilifeform	(always speed-capped by slowest gate, and never arbitrarily)	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	"Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that most HFT firms playing around with FPGAs are doing so because of slick-talking FPGA marketing hucksters. The more that perverse incentives change, the more they stay the same" << flanagan has a point.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	finance types are possibly the most tech-clueless people you'll ever meet.	[15:09]
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mircea_popescu	if you run into a wall street dude hitting on a cocktail waitress, it's probable she groks more of grep than him.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	now, if these folks actually risked their arse if the machine fails to perform...	[15:10]
punkman	asciilifeform: could you recommend a lisp for this lisp-deficient noob? (and maybe an IDE that's not emacs)	[15:10]
asciilifeform	punkman: what machine do you have ?	[15:10]
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asciilifeform	punkman: and i'm afraid that i cannot in good conscience recommend ide that isn't emacs. because only emacs runs 'SLIME.'	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform recall the one time their excel copula calculation failed spectacularly and the whole firm went under because of it ? no arse was harmed.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	lol yeah	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	"tech failure" is accepted like "will of god" was 500 years ago. free of any contract.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	the only prescription is: barbarians.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman why do you hate emacs ?	[15:12]
punkman	asciilifeform: just a regular machine, what kind of machine should I have?	[15:12]
asciilifeform	punkman: if x86 or x86-64 - sbcl.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	"You will probably find that approach unworkable in a Disruptor style queue for market data because:	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	1) You can’t tell when a reader has already progressed past that tick, and would thus miss your update (which is bad)	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	2) You can’t tell when a reader is currently processing that tick, which means you could potentially write over the prior record when he has only read part of it, making the tick inconsistent (which is also bad).	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	Those issues may be avoidable, but only at the cost of additional atomic instructions on both the read and write ends, which would significantly impair the performance." << this guy is a prime example of what i said of finance types being tech clueless.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	jesus god he actually just said that ?!	[15:13]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I don't hate it per se, but I'd rather avoid that learning curve for now	[15:13]
asciilifeform	punkman: if you study, e.g. common lisp, without SLIME, you're inoculating yourself against ever enjoying the language.	[15:13]
asciilifeform	this is generally how 'enthusiastic' lisp-haters are born - they get to study it at uni, and match parens / indent / etc. by hand.	[15:14]
punkman	but I like clicking!	[15:15]
BingoBoingo	There's more painful exercises in attempting to learn a programming language. In 6th grade I tried to learn Perl with pencils and paper...	[15:15]
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asciilifeform	punkman: i like clicking << http://www.letsgolearn.com/bubble.html	[15:15]
assbot	Let's Go Learn Mouse practice game	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	i can't see a reference to lockin's stuff without thinking of http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ anyway	[15:15]
assbot	How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:15]
asciilifeform	punkman: or, if you can dig up an ancient mac, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Practice	[15:15]
assbot	Mouse Practice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[15:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: locklin is one of those folks who never penetrated the btc bozo field	[15:16]
asciilifeform	(e.g. taleb)	[15:16]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Hypercard is great Mouse Practice as well...	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	that's not even the objection. if you read his contributions in his own comment thread above,	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	the same arrogant if clueless sufficiency permeates.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	this is how people like me end up when they're 50, if they don't have the sense to bdsm etc	[15:17]
asciilifeform	folks who succeed in an intellectually-demanding field - whatever field - besieged by sham artists - tend to develop this condition. or at least, it is certainly a 'professional hazard.'	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	it is, but only because of the poisonous enviroment in which their socialist conationals soak them.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	these are the hidden costs of " welfarism" : that in order for its pretense to be maintained, the actuality of a caustic environment for the natural needs of the superior has to be enacted.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	not so hidden.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	if he had a few slaves around the house whose lives and physical integrity depended on his good humour, he wouldn't find himself ossified in this form of compensatory idiocy.	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	http://www.gizmag.com/listeria-bacteria-sensor-food-borne-illness/32536/ << No one develops the Campylobacter version because chicken would never look the same again...	[15:21]
assbot	New sensor to detect food-borne bacteria on site	[15:21]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i wonder what the ecological impact of listeria's disappearance would be like.	[15:21]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pretty horrible I imagine, but probably even less possible than than impassible task of eradicating Herpes.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for all you know, a world without listeria is the prerequisite for a better strain of herpes	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	or maybe for contagious, accelerated leprosy	[15:23]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Or for Candida to accelerate the way Y. Pestis did...	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	still an open question as to how much iathrogenic pathogen virulence is due to you know... better hospital techniques.	[15:24]
asciilifeform	naturam expellas furca...	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[15:26]
BingoBoingo	Well, the plasmids necessary for S. Aureus to become Beta Lactam resistant and Enterococcus to become Vancomycin resistant predate our harnessing either therapeutically...	[15:26]
asciilifeform	see also: 'the answer lies in the sewers.'	[15:27]
BingoBoingo	Note that broad spectrum antimicrobials that maintain effectiveness over time tend to be merely bacteriostatic and not actively bacteriocidal...	[15:28]
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BingoBoingo	Aspergillius is probably my favorite pathogen because it is a huge fuck you to stoners thinking they are all high and mighty because their weed is "safer" than my booze.	[15:29]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[15:31]
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BingoBoingo	I'm trying to think what would even be a close second...	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	while the plasmids may actually predate it, their use likely does not.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	think in the following terms : the tools mpex will use any to defeat any attempt at enacting a sovereignity claim superior to its own certainly predate any such claims	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, their deployment in practice does not (a state of affairs asciilifeform periodically protests with a parachute example)	[15:32]
asciilifeform	http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers%28lsero%29.pdf	[15:32]
asciilifeform	for pdf haters:	[15:33]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/Ni7t20wY	[15:33]
assbot	The answer lies in the sewers - Pastebin.com	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	"HSBC is one of the leading international banks. Technology plays a big part of the banking world nowadays. The advent of mobile devices, bitcoin, crypto currency, access to internet, are change everyday banking. Create a position paper on the benefits of Bitcoin being adopted and being a part of HSBC consumer products. Pick a position in favour or against and please add your sources."	[15:33]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, the reason we've found any substanital antibiotic this far is because some other microbe produced it as a defense and before we produce the chemical on an industrial scale, there are minority bacterial populations carrying genes for resistance.	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	HSBC outsources bitcoin research to job applicants	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	should be illegal	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	nice link	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves aahhahahaah	[15:34]
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mircea_popescu	i recall a few years ago designers getting all butthurt against design contests	[15:34]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, NO-SPEC	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	i guess their victory was of such resounding nature in that battle that now hsbc is doing it	[15:34]
*	asciilifeform sees a future for phages, for small-molecule antibio - not so much	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	bodes well for the future, this.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo this is approximately correct, especially if you focus on things such as penycilin. not quite as true with substances such as say trimetoprim	[15:36]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Phages are probably the only long term solution.	[15:36]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform phages are why i did an undergrad in immunology and infection	[15:36]
bitcoinpete	i remember reading about russian/soviet research into them	[15:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00081982 = 29.3905 BTC [+]	[15:37]
bitcoinpete	research that sorta didn't really make it to the west after the fall	[15:37]
asciilifeform	bitcoinpete: at my last work (us army) the management flew in one of the last remaining soviet phage experts	[15:37]
asciilifeform	he's extracting strange from sewage even now.	[15:37]
bitcoinpete	whoa neat	[15:38]
*	asciilifeform was not involved, just sat in a lecture	[15:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Trimethoprim is great in the way Sulfa antibiotics and doxycycline are great. They are merely bateriostatic agents. Combine the right bacteriostatic agents and you might actually kill some bacteria. Mostly though bacteria aren't adapted to combinations of them and it might take centuries for Bactrims list of vulnerable organisms to thing appreciably.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo perhaps on the grounds of my ignorance, i see little value in the bacteriostatic / bactericide distinction	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	TSLA is on a tear	[15:40]
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bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: holy ya	[15:40]
bitcoinpete	+7.29% today	[15:40]
asciilifeform	the notion that 'microbe will eventually adapt to anything' is a bit simplistic.	[15:40]
asciilifeform	go adapt to iodine.	[15:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The distinction is -cidal actually kills the bacteria. -static keeps them from reproducing long enough to have enough die of old age or allow your immune system to catch up. When it comes to adpatation and resistance it matters quite a bit.	[15:41]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.smh.com.au/national/canberra-reaps-360m-from-inactive-bank-accounts-20140609-39t8p.html	[15:41]
assbot	Canberra reaps $360m from inactive bank accounts	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	i know that. how do you say it matters ?	[15:41]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[15:41]
gribble	Current Blocks: 306186 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 55 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13304966954.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.17066	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	''I saved for 45 years … It was my carer's pension and his disability pension,'' said the Sydney retiree.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	the only way bacteria meaningfully exists from an evolutionary standpoint is that it passes itself on	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	dead bacteria === spaded bacteria	[15:41]
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ThickAsThieves	how does an organism exist non-meaningfully?	[15:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, in a human body's environment a bacterium doesn't have long before it needs to fuck itself and reproduce or die.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no but we were discussing adaptation	[15:42]
BingoBoingo	Other bacteria though tend not to have the luxury of waiting that long when they engage in chemical warfare.	[15:42]
BingoBoingo	Thus adapting to old age and celibacy is hard.	[15:43]
BingoBoingo	Especially at body temperature.	[15:43]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think there's a right or wrong, all the variation in question is needed	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes, but when developing resistance is in question.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	in principle bacteria would have as good a chance to develop immunity to tpi as it would to penicillin. they're both antibiotics (granted, one static, the other cidal, whatever)	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	so the pre-existing defense theory doesn't really hold as well as all that.	[15:44]
ThickAsThieves	yeesh nbc has a horrible web design http://www.nbcnews.com/ (bitcoin front and center)	[15:45]
assbot	NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves assuming it loads. i'm two seconds in here.	[15:45]
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BingoBoingo	Most routes to drug resistance encountered so far have been a round a long time, because some population of bacteria in a species need the genes to survive. Bacteria don't just spread genes through reproduction though... Microbiology is like Bioshock. Staph can pick up a plasid and get superpowers.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	this is true	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	and yeah, some plasmids exist for circumventing some antibiotics, the sort that we've obtained "agriculturally" so to speak.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	the sort that we've obtained synthetically, however, generally have no defense.	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Right, for some reason farmers like giving shit beta lactams for no good reason.	[15:47]
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mircea_popescu	(their only limiting factor is that human cells don't have a defense either, and rarely do you get a bonanza like tpi that's 5k as afine to bacteria folic process as to human for unknown reasons)	[15:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06700008 = 1.675 BTC [-] {2}	[15:48]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo meant the agricultural/synthetic thing a reference to an earlier discussion about how industry and agriculture compete for financing. you prolly recall it	[15:48]
BingoBoingo	That is true. Microbes generally don't try to kill other microbes through folate though.	[15:48]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The corn matter.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	right	[15:49]
BingoBoingo	And the American farm and Amrican locker room being bigger hotbeds for MRSA than American Hospitals.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[15:49]
BingoBoingo	Which follows from if you can you must.	[15:49]
BingoBoingo	Apparently sub meaningful doses of antibiotics promote mammal growth.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	come to think of it, it should be interesting to see just what new plasmids become available for bacteria's game of bioshock now that there's all those genetically engineered crops around	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	and there, we've united all the topics	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	Indeed.	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	I'm probably roundup resistant by now...	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	it's always the unintended side consequences that are the more interesting.	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	The question of the next few decades is how many corn plasmids are small enough to find their way into bacterium...	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	which reminds me of the recent cheese wars lol. i dunno who missed the "oh yurp, you don't want our gmo crops ?! we won't want your messy cheeses then!!11"	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	quite clear message there	[15:52]
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BingoBoingo	Yeah. Prolly best they don't mix.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	exact fucking time to mess with this, when russia is pushing as hard as it can and iraq all but became an official al-quaeda state	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	fda thinks it's a good idea to annoy the european elite in the gullet, which is prolly the one thing they care about	[15:53]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno who the fuck is in charge across the pond, but he couldn't be less able if he tried. a regular bismarck in reverse, that guy	[15:54]
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BingoBoingo	I doubt all of Iraq is going Alqueda state. Seems like it will partion. Turks might even bless Kurdistan.	[15:55]
jborkl	http://www.bcoinnews.com/search/	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	if it's a square mile it's enough for utter defeat.	[15:55]
jborkl	I added a very simple block explorer, I will add more later	[15:56]
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bitcoinpete	http://saweis.net/posts/nominations-for-crypto-projects-that-might-not-suck.html	[15:56]
assbot	Nominations for Crypto Projects that Might Not Suck	[15:56]
BingoBoingo	The Iraq situation would have been less of a mess if HW Bush and the Saudis would have been cool with Bin Laden's plan for liberating Kuwait.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete maybe send him a "Nomination for posts that might not suck : shut up, read assets logs for the next year"	[15:57]
bitcoinpete	lol	[15:58]
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bitcoinpete	"Personal income tax revenues in April were 15.8 percent, or $7.9 billion, below the same month in 2013"	[15:58]
bitcoinpete	http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-state-taxes-20140612,0,895673.story	[15:59]
assbot	Size of income tax drop surprises U.S. states: study - vagazette.com	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	argentina salutes you :D	[15:59]
bitcoinpete	most unintentionally lulzy url too: vag-azaette	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	"Purchased credits to read http://trilema.com Prompt delivery. Great writer, good use of footnotes. Not retarded. Privilege unchecked." << customer reviews.	[16:01]
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assbot	Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:01]
fluffypony	lol	[16:02]
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BingoBoingo	%diff	[16:05]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436012.92 in 815 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.05	[16:05]
fluffypony	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTcv5q4WfMM	[16:05]
assbot	Khali muscle protein advert - YouTube	[16:05]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[16:05]
gribble	Current Blocks: 306187 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 50 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13306514863.5 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.18382	[16:05]
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BingoBoingo	I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening.	[16:05]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/deputies-450-pound-volusia-man-his-drugs-stomach-f/ngLkW/	[16:06]
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kakobrekla	just wait that fury (un)plugs some hash.	[16:07]
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BingoBoingo	I think in addition to miners housed in the desert southwest dying, we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence.	[16:09]
BingoBoingo	So many exciting externalities could happen.	[16:09]
jborkl	Tha is constantly ongoin, just block withholding attacks on each other	[16:10]
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jborkl	is hurts more than DDOS	[16:10]
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kakobrekla	i doubt heat will do much	[16:11]
kakobrekla	those who dont the the heat math dont have big farms in the first place	[16:11]
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BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: CoinTerra, the People Garr pinned his "totes legit" badge on have a datacenter in the middle of the utah desert.	[16:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00081867 = 11.1339 BTC [-] {2}	[16:13]
jborkl	haha :(	[16:13]
kakobrekla	how much hash?	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	Not sure, but since they are way behind on refunds, probably all of theirs.	[16:14]
fluffypony	lol	[16:14]
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kakobrekla	prolly even the bfl failwagon will offset that	[16:15]
thestringpuller	we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence. << cyberwarfare is an even for popcorn	[16:15]
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kakobrekla	the subpar miners they have now , they gets to keeps and run themselfs.	[16:15]
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BingoBoingo	It would kick ass if a tornado hit BFL's trailer.	[16:16]
kakobrekla	economically its better for them to simulate the subparness than to ship	[16:16]
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bitcoinpete	heya bitstein	[16:20]
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bitstein	hey, how goes it?	[16:21]
bitcoinpete	bitstein: pretty splendidly	[16:22]
bitcoinpete	sitting in a lovely old bank building at the bar	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	i doubt heat will do much << me too. a flood or a tornado might do something. a lightning bolt occasionally takes a dc out. but mere heat byitself... prolly not	[16:27]
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kakobrekla	its rounded to empty.	[16:29]
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kakobrekla	!up trixisowned	[16:31]
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kakobrekla	you are owned	[16:31]
kakobrekla	fyi.	[16:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06700142 = 0.938 BTC [+] {4}	[16:35]
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jurov	heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno	[16:38]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/simple-bitcoin-block-explorer-added/	[16:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06667206 = 5.0004 BTC [-] {7}	[16:46]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[16:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.066666 = 1.2667 BTC [-]	[16:53]
BingoBoingo	http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/16/1253209/super-bananas-may-save-millions-of-lives-in-africa << Product for Uganda Safety and efficacy trials carried out on 'Muricans	[16:54]
assbot	"Super Bananas" May Save Millions of Lives In Africa - Slashdot	[16:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00082106 = 24.0571 BTC [+]	[17:07]
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BingoBoingo	http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2012/10/quake-and-zap.html	[17:12]
assbot	Crazy RxMan: Quake and Zap	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	"A special DOS program (we only utilize the latest in computer programming technology at our pharmacy) is executed which prints a listing of barcodes representing 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. all the way to 100%. Then the tech or pharmacist scans a bottle of inventory, THEN shakes, quakes, and does a little magic dance to estimate how much is left in the bottle, be it 10%, 20%, etc., and then scans that barcode, hence the QUAKE-n-ZAP! Th	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	is is done multiple times until the tech either dies of boredom or it gets busy again. Usually this means about 50 zaps. THEN the computer compares what was scanned to the inventory on hand, and if it is off by a certain percentage, it updates the inventory on hand..."	[17:12]
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BingoBoingo	"But here's where it gets insane. No one can accurately "estimate" how much is left in the bottle to any degree of accuracy, so we end up mostly only zapping full bottles."	[17:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00082106 = 2.4632 BTC [+]	[17:18]
BingoBoingo	http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2013/07/crazy-password-protection.html	[17:20]
assbot	Crazy RxMan: Crazy Password Protection	[17:20]
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benkay	https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/478624448208441344 << retarded?	[17:25]
assbot	Those who don't ignore history are just as doomed to repeat it as those who ignore history. Because both will have the same history.	[17:25]
BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/03/kneecaps/	[17:27]
assbot	Mob Boss Agrees to Shoot Man in Kneecaps Before Weekend \| Medical Satire - GomerBlog	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/30-billion-processor-digital-river-bitcoin-payment-option/	[17:29]
assbot	$30 Billion Online Merchant Processor Digital River Adds Bitcoin Payments	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	(via Coinbase)	[17:29]
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FabianB	!mpif	[17:40]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021667 BTC (Total: 433.36 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]	[17:40]
FabianB	$depth f.mpif	[17:41]
empyex	FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 10000 @ 0.00021561	[17:41]
empyex	FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000	[17:41]
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BingoBoingo	!jd mpif	[17:42]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.09983010 BTC; +0.47628387 BTC (+0.2791%) since last check 6d 1h 53m 39s ago.	[17:42]
mike_c	benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :)	[17:42]
BingoBoingo	Klye needs another IPO...	[17:43]
Apocalyptic	heh	[17:43]
fluffypony	lol	[17:43]
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kakobrekla	benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :) < those are way smarter than that	[17:49]
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benkay	!derp	[17:50]
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assbot	no u!	[17:50]
benkay	ha	[17:50]
benkay	okay i just bought a pile of insurance	[17:50]
benkay	now i need a pile of deals that this insurance will qualify me for to justify the expense	[17:51]
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BingoBoingo	In a few centuries assbot error messages will be studied in the Classics department.	[17:51]
benkay	!up trinque	[17:51]
*	assbot gives voice to trinque	[17:51]
benkay	hey guys trinque is a friend of mine	[17:51]
benkay	be particularly nasty, eh?	[17:51]
BingoBoingo	fuck you benkay voice him yourself	[17:52]
trinque	I can take it	[17:52]
trinque	and I've already got a fancy plus sign	[17:52]
benkay	ya but you can't voice y'self yet	[17:52]
mike_c	!sorry assbot, you're very clever. and good looking.	[17:53]
assbot	ikr	[17:53]
mike_c	srsly	[17:53]
BingoBoingo	trinque: ASL?	[17:54]
trinque	I have transcended age, gender and location.	[17:55]
trinque	I am everywhere and all things.	[17:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00081861 = 29.2653 BTC [-] {3}	[17:55]
mike_c	;;ident trinque	[17:55]
gribble	Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is not identified.	[17:55]
BingoBoingo	trinque: SO you're a 'Murican afraid of the gasenwagen as well	[17:55]
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trinque	BingoBoingo: unfortunately so	[17:57]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Did you know that there is a device for accessing any secrets stored in a living human's memory.	[17:58]
trinque	BingoBoingo: alcohol?	[17:59]
asciilifeform	from the lolpharmz:	[17:59]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/frank-bruni-oversharing-in-admissions-essays.html	[17:59]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times	[17:59]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: When I start a university the prospective students are going to have to interview under the influence.	[18:01]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'i would like to attend your... hmrh, croak, zzz...'	[18:02]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: By the time it happens I imagine I'll still be boozing, but the kids will be on their medical PCP or whatever.	[18:03]
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BingoBoingo	!up princessnell	[18:05]
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princessnell	hiya	[18:05]
BingoBoingo	Hello	[18:05]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: At least the students will be comforted that the summer reading before freshman year will never deviate.	[18:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44532 @ 0.00081837 = 36.4437 BTC [-]	[18:13]
BingoBoingo	The Pre-Freshman year reading will be Spinoza's ethics. There will be a matriculation exam.	[18:14]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/478619903675883520	[18:15]
assbot	If US gets involved in /hashtag/Iraq?src=hash it would join a /hashtag/Shiite?src=hash alliance w/ Assad, /hashtag/Iran?src=hash & /hashtag/Maliki?src=hash against a /hashtag/Sunni?src=hash movement http://t.co/TQHSloTN8c	[18:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00081837 = 8.3065 BTC [-]	[18:22]
assbot	trinque +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[18:27]
kakobrekla	!up trinque	[18:27]
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trinque	kakobrekla: thank you :)	[18:27]
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BingoBoingo	Also at Bingo University, anyone who commits the crime of introducing a whiteboard to the campus will be caned in the Quad.	[18:28]
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Mats_cd03	id let BingoBoingo cane me in public	[18:31]
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BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: I'd prefer you just have the good sense to realize the inherent superiority of Chalk on Slate.	[18:31]
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Mats_cd03	chalk on slate isnt as kinky	[18:32]
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BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Well, Perhaps in the quad there will be a block of slate for the caned to bend over. Because slate is the correct writing surface in a classroom...	[18:34]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16	[18:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00082218 = 2.7954 BTC [+]	[18:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1719 @ 0.0005 = 0.8595 BTC [+]	[18:45]
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nubbins`	ho	[18:46]
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thestringpuller	%diff	[18:48]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434656.24 in 806 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24	[18:48]
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BingoBoingo	%ticker	[18:49]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	And the Altcoin Market remains a standoff	[18:50]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28aldt/ghashio_is_open_for_discussion/ci92qc0	[18:51]
assbot	luke-jr comments on GHASH.IO IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION	[18:51]
nubbins`	pretty rich	[18:51]
Mats_cd03	it needs an ATC Foundation	[18:51]
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benkay	;;ident trinque	[18:53]
gribble	Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None	[18:53]
benkay	;;rate trinque 1 dat guy	[18:54]
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gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.	[18:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0708987 = 0.9926 BTC [+]	[18:54]
benkay	!down trinque	[18:54]
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benkay	now trinque /msg assbot !up to give yourself voice	[18:54]
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trinque	fancy	[18:54]
trinque	benkay: thank you sir	[18:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00082218 = 8.3451 BTC [+]	[18:56]
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BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Nah, ATC has better than a foundation, it has perfectly benevolent neglect.	[18:56]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe we should start the rumor that Ghash.io is Government has, and refer to it as G-Hash and its operators as the G-men	[18:59]
benkay	yusss	[18:59]
benkay	it's the Government pool	[18:59]
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nubbins`	it's known that ghash.io is USG	[18:59]
nubbins`	if you look up the docs for codename GIGA it's all spelled out	[19:00]
BingoBoingo	Let's get out the tinfoil bitches.	[19:00]
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BingoBoingo	We're baking cake with this one.	[19:00]
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nubbins`	i don't have any tinfoil bitches	[19:00]
nubbins`	wait	[19:01]
nubbins`	nevermind	[19:01]
BingoBoingo	Eh, there is another problem. All of other pools probably suck more.	[19:01]
BingoBoingo	http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/barrys-new-tell-enough-memoir-tries-to-recast-mayor-for-lifes-legacy-deny-troubles/2014/06/15/be15252c-f4a1-11e3-b22c-e48daaddce39_story.html	[19:01]
assbot	Barrys new tell-enough memoir tries to recast Mayor for Lifes legacy, deny troubles - The Washington Post	[19:01]
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BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/texas-police-now-ticketing-kids-for-cool-moves-1591564248	[19:02]
assbot	Texas Police Now Ticketing Kids for "Cool Moves"	[19:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082218 = 3.1243 BTC [+]	[19:03]
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nubbins`	ha ha ha	[19:04]
nubbins`	HEY KIDS	[19:05]
nubbins`	this is just a ploy to train kids not to run when a cop shouts HEY, YOU! STOP!	[19:05]
BingoBoingo	Exactly.	[19:06]
nubbins`	what's next, wolves giving sheep "get out of shearing free" coupons for grazing further from the shepherd?	[19:06]
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BingoBoingo	!up SirDefaced	[19:14]
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BingoBoingo	Hello SirDefaced	[19:14]
SirDefaced	hello :)	[19:14]
SirDefaced	long time since ive used gribble haha	[19:14]
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benkay	;;gettrust SirDefaced	[19:15]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SirDefaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SirDefaced \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SirDefaced \| Rated since: never	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	http://seekingalpha.com/news/1803003-report-shipments-of-amd-nvidia-graphics-cards-hit-by-high-inventories?uprof=51	[19:15]
assbot	Report: Shipments of AMD/Nvidia graphics cards hit by high inventories - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE:AMD) \| Seeking Alpha	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	"Weak Bitcoin-related demand is said to be taking a toll, and AMD and Nvidia (NVDA) have reportedly been pressured to cut GPU prices to boost demand. But both firms are instead opting to focus on cutting GPU shipments."	[19:15]
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SirDefaced	im authed under defaced and it seems someone jacked my sn	[19:16]
SirDefaced	so ill be making a new WOT	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	I wonder when AMD will just start making best-in-class ASICs	[19:18]
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pankkake	fluffypony: I was going to link the SMBC here :p	[19:19]
fluffypony	pankkake: best one I've seen in a long time, and I love SMBC	[19:20]
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gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=defaced \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced \| Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011	[19:22]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot defaced	[19:22]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=defaced \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced \| Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011	[19:22]
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BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: There was an earlier discussion about existing BTC ASIC maker's mistake.	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	Moiety	[19:27]
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moiety	hello!	[19:29]
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moiety	you survived the storm BingoBoingo	[19:29]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I managed to survive the winds, but was nearly washed off the road this morning.	[19:29]
moiety	washed off the road? were you driving? :o	[19:29]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Yeah. Was driving this morning and the temperature jumped 20 degrees... Then the rain came...	[19:31]
BingoBoingo	Well drained roadway with deep ditches on both sides, but the rain was falling faster than the water could runoff.	[19:32]
moiety	eeep, i don't think you should drive anywhere for a while BingoBoingo	[19:33]
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bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646591730249728	[19:36]
assbot	Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete	[19:36]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646920970129408	[19:36]
assbot	Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete	[19:36]
bitcoinpete	Derpopolous: "All bitcoin wallets are “potentially insecure”, blockchain’s less so than anyone else." "100% security doesn’t exist. There are weaknesses in any system. We manage these risks…"	[19:36]
bitcoinpete	"we sell the slowest acting poison on the market!"	[19:37]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: The drive was 2 minutes of terror and three hours of boredom.	[19:37]
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BingoBoingo	http://unicode-inc.blogspot.com/2014/06/announcing-unicode-standard-version-70.html	[19:42]
assbot	The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0	[19:42]
moiety	three hours? did you get stuck BingoBoingo	[19:44]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: No, was just covering distance.	[19:44]
moiety	you need a landrover for that rain	[19:44]
BingoBoingo	Or a car that isn't so bouyant.	[19:44]
moiety	what is it you have at present?	[19:45]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Just a boring Saturn Family sedan. Mostly plastic. Draws no unwanted attention and burns little gas.	[19:46]
moiety	one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg but i want to modify it to manual gearbox and bigger engine (they are only 1L autos)	[19:48]
moiety	saw a black one roll through my new town other day!	[19:48]
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moiety	i've only ever seen two irl	[19:48]
Mats_cd03	is this 51% thing even a threat? color me unconvinced	[19:49]
BingoBoingo	Nice. I've always liked the idea of something simple like a Lotus 7, but... In practice I prefer a more disposable conveyance.	[19:49]
BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Not really. Not this way at least.	[19:49]
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pankkake	lol at the bullshit answers	[19:50]
pankkake	but after all, it's twitter	[19:50]
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pankkake	and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. there is at least a clear line between web wallet where you don't have the key, web wallet where you have the key but malicious js can be served, and local software	[19:51]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Don't forget local wallet on machine separated from the internet...	[19:53]
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Mats_cd03	barry is a typical scrub	[19:58]
Mats_cd03	cant hold his lies together properly	[19:58]
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BingoBoingo	http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/05/14/meanwhile-in-drogheda-3/	[20:05]
assbot	Meanwhile, In Drogheda \| Broadsheet.ie	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	https://imgur.com/WcCZx62	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082215 = 4.3163 BTC [-]	[20:05]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[20:05]
Mats_cd03	use your words	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	Fuck Facebook http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/06/elonis_v_united_states_supreme_court_will_hear_the_facebook_speech_case.html	[20:07]
assbot	Elonis v. United States: Supreme Court will hear the Facebook speech case.	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	The true threat doctorine is bullshit, and will not stand.	[20:10]
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BingoBoingo	Where do the Bitpoor hang out nowadays?	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	I kind of want some Klye JustDice porn fic, but I don't want it enought to throw away more than a Bitcent on it.	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account.	[20:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082215 = 11.6334 BTC [-]	[20:15]
Mats_cd03	describe porn fic and i may be willing to be your proxy	[20:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00082218 = 6.8241 BTC [+]	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: I kind of want to read a short story about Just-Dice destroying Klye's anus with a strapon. Just-Dice also needs tits.	[20:17]
Mats_cd03	why do you want to fantasize about some pasty white boy	[20:19]
Mats_cd03	shits weak	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	I got drunk too early today to write a blog post myself. Kind of hoping some starving Indian or Kansasian bastard would be thrilled to have a bitcent.	[20:20]
bitcoinpete	moiety: one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg <	[20:20]
assbot	An Afternoon Aria: Driving on the Wrong Side with the Nissan Figaro \| CarEnvy.ca	[20:20]
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BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424658.msg7352165#msg7352165	[20:21]
assbot	MP-2-BTC	[20:21]
Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, I'm sure Klye would	[20:22]
Apocalyptic	the issue is he is a poor writer	[20:22]
BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: The thing is for this purpose he is to... not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for someone as lost with the English Language as I am reading Romanian Trilema articles.	[20:23]
Mats_cd03	give it a few years and that bitcent could convince klye to enact the scene for you	[20:23]
Mats_cd03	another bitcent and you might even get some decent postprocessing in there	[20:23]
BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Do you remember last year when a Buttcoin was worth a whole 10 BTC	[20:24]
Mats_cd03	a lot has happened	[20:24]
BingoBoingo	Yeah.	[20:25]
Mats_cd03	i didnt own any until ~125	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	What part of last year was that...	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	;;google trilema buttcoins nao	[20:25]
gribble	They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[20:25]
Mats_cd03	i imagine it was prior to february	[20:25]
moiety	bitcoinpete: that's immense! thanks for the link, so nice to read an actual experience of it :D i also didn't know: "A 5-speed manual was available from the factory, but of the 20,000 Figaros produced, only a small fraction had the do-it-yourselfer installed."	[20:25]
bitcoinpete	moiety :D	[20:25]
bitcoinpete	it was one of the funner driving experiences i've had	[20:26]
BingoBoingo	Eh, I don't judge my road experiences on what I'm driving, but on the WTF shit I encounter.	[20:27]
moiety	i would like a figaro at some point even moar nao!	[20:27]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: as the passenger, sure	[20:28]
bitcoinpete	but some cars have a way of worming their way into your heart	[20:28]
moiety	you encounter a lot of wtf shit whilst driving BingoBoingo, like the pizza-sized man-grappling turtles and floods from nowhere	[20:28]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: I imagine part of that is a side effect of Canada.	[20:29]
bitcoinpete	pretty much	[20:29]
bitcoinpete	there's not a lot to drive to or by	[20:29]
bitcoinpete	it's just… flat	[20:29]
moiety	the old minis are fun little things	[20:29]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I have a suspicion the redneck's intention for the turtle was soup, but... Would not be surprised if the turtle won.	[20:29]
bitcoinpete	moiety: never driven one! what's the biggest size of human they'll fit?	[20:29]
BingoBoingo	I could see having a "fun" car, but probably as a third car. First car is blending in car. Second is moving shit car. Third car can be fun car.	[20:31]
moiety	well the thing is, you can fit a six foot person in np, because there is nothing inside. ther foot wells are bare. so seat right back and you can fold a large person in. their head sort of skiffs the roof though	[20:31]
moiety	my uncle refurbed one for my mum as her first car before minis had their revival and panels were still £15 each. great wee car.	[20:33]
Mats_cd03	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/congressman-asks-nsa-to-provide-metadata-for-lost-irs-e-mails/	[20:33]
assbot	Congressman asks NSA to provide metadata for lost IRS e-mails \| Ars Technica	[20:33]
Mats_cd03	excellent	[20:33]
bitcoinpete	moiety i feel like i'd need a sunroof to pop my fro out out of ;)	[20:33]
*	BingoBoingo is not yet sure if Miata or Trabant would be more of a fun car.	[20:34]
bitcoinpete	trabant is you're a wrencher, miata if you're a driver	[20:34]
moiety	miatas are for hairdressers BingoBoingo	[20:34]
bitcoinpete	and hipsters	[20:34]
bitcoinpete	and middle-aged middle managers	[20:34]
moiety	i honestly think they only look good hard topped	[20:34]
bitcoinpete	as far as i can tell hairdressers drive hyundai elantras	[20:35]
moiety	they are meant to handle brilliantly	[20:35]
BingoBoingo	I just like the idea of a car that is acceptable to move from one garage to another by one's hands and feet	[20:35]
Mats_cd03	miatas are r small, i can barely move inside one	[20:35]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: so a bicycle	[20:35]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: I cover too much distance for a bicycle. Also Bicycle may not have room for... compartments.	[20:36]
bitcoinpete	paniers	[20:36]
bitcoinpete	solve all your problems	[20:36]
bitcoinpete	i basically don't drive in the summer… all 4 months of it here	[20:36]
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bitcoinpete	well, off to pottery class. bon soir	[20:37]
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Guest33801	BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening. << dunno man. some crazy hash added past coupla days	[20:38]
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BingoBoingo	Does anyone here know how firearms laws work at the intersection of Panama and COlumbia?	[20:40]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening. << dunno man. some crazy hash added past coupla days	[20:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But can it stick.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	well who's to know	[20:41]
BingoBoingo	I don't have resources to interfere with random blogs much less pools. Pool politics is getting rather Nasty. Reminds me of that place upstate named after it's stench.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	jurov:	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno << he has a solid point. the most important effect of overheat is shortening lifespan of chips. for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	trinque so what do you do ?	[20:45]
trinque	mircea_popescu: write code, hoard bitcoins	[20:45]
trinque	yourself?	[20:45]
benkay	well, off to pottery class. bon soir // someone's picking up new girlfriends	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	im an asshole.	[20:46]
benkay	trinque: http://mpex.co	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	benkay pottery not пиздery	[20:46]
assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.	[20:46]
BingoBoingo	So... after a lot of drinking on the matter I think I know what I'm doing with the portable.	[20:47]
benkay	art classes are great places to pick up girls!	[20:47]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Cam sites work so much better.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	"single girl in artclass". does this sound like something to get involved with ?!	[20:48]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: what luck! I too am an asshole	[20:48]
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mircea_popescu	too late. already said you're a coder.	[20:49]
trinque	benkay: interesting	[20:49]
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BingoBoingo	Then again as mircea_popescu pointed out last month... I probably need to target a cleaner class of girl...	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	i pointed out such ?!	[20:49]
trinque	hue "cleaner"	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	so til argentina has no national drink	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	this is a serious drawback	[20:50]
moiety	why would you want one that everyone's already seen anyways BingoBoingo	[20:50]
moiety	mircea_popescu: do they just drink everything?	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I thought it was looking like Malbec...	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	apparently.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	and what do you think, he's lookng for something new ?! he's not looking for novelty, he's looking for the same old thing well oiled.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well ya they have good wine, but i mean licker	[20:51]
BingoBoingo	moiety: So you know what they are into.	[20:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Wait, no hard liqour of worth there?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	only imports.	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00082215 = 18.2517 BTC [-]	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	whichj... whatever, havana club	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16/ << you srsly need better urls	[20:53]
assbot	The problem with idioms...	[20:53]
BingoBoingo	Eh, if it isn't a good brown liquor, I'm prefer the closest thing I can find to a pure solution of ETOH and water	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	re the reddit ghash link, "It's ironic they propose "starting" what everyone else has been doing for years." << this will be the fucking epitaph of bitcoin once it finally fucking croaks	[20:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06761369 = 0.6761 BTC [-]	[20:56]
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mthreat	mircea_popescu: fernet	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	i'd rather drink donkey piss.	[20:59]
mthreat	that doesn't mean it can't be the national drink	[20:59]
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mthreat	they mix it with coke	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	it has to be a drink first.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	!up buanz0	[21:00]
-assbot-	You voiced buanz0 for 30 minutes.	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	hey there.	[21:00]
buanz0	hi everyone	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	mthreat: Describe this fernet	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	so you gotta reg your id with gribble.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	it'll give you a challenge and then you're part of the cool kids	[21:00]
buanz0	fernet is a herbal bitter that argentines love	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/kdf2hV5.jpg << 10k words.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	that's the central fernet factory	[21:01]
mthreat	BingoBoingo: hmm. it's a italian aperitif, I believe. Not very good by itself.	[21:01]
buanz0	i will do that later, just popping in for a quick WASSSSSUUUP per your request, mircea_popescu	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	coolness.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	so buanz0 is a jiffy/audacity dev guy	[21:02]
buanz0	it is awesome by itself, you just need to be non-unitedstatian	[21:02]
buanz0	:P	[21:02]
mthreat	apparently the hipsters in SF are big on fernet right now	[21:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ack, mthreat At their best bitters of any sort are a garnish, not a drink of themself.	[21:02]
buanz0	you might remember that Alfred from batman forever drinks fernet :P	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ill give them ths much tho , you can order strega in most cafes and they'll have it.	[21:02]
mthreat	BingoBoingo: an italian told me that in italy they drink it like a medicine	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	haven't tried galliano and other herbal shit, but anyway	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot	[21:03]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 10 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=assbot \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot \| Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014	[21:03]
B0g4r7	B51Num1 belcher benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo bitstein Blazedout419 blg bounce buanz0 bwq-	[21:03]
mthreat	so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin	[21:03]
buanz0	i drink it as a stomach med	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	buanz0 ^ check it out, 1st link.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	i betcha you've never seen a wot this cool before :D	[21:03]
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mircea_popescu	so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin << ok, i can see that.	[21:04]
buanz0	i have seen some pretty weird stuff, mir	[21:04]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: actually, a place you might like is one of the "secret" speakeasys	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	mthreat aite, so let's go sometime.	[21:05]
mthreat	deal	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	i was telling buanz0 about their bdsm party and he was all like... omg when's the next one.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	then i told him he'll have to talk the wife into going naked, he visibly softened.	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Strega's nice. mthreat buanz0 If you want to robotrip just drink the tussin. Unless you have unfortunate genetics at CYP2D6 you'll survive a bottle.	[21:06]
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mircea_popescu	is this some pseudoephedrin cocktail ?	[21:06]
buanz0	LOL	[21:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: No, dextromorphan	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	ew	[21:07]
buanz0	I distill absinth myself.	[21:07]
buanz0	still, not my kind of poison	[21:07]
BingoBoingo	Usually there's only a little vomitting. I've only had the experience thrice before surrendering to it being unpleasant in spite of the right genetics.	[21:08]
buanz0	naked wifes only in summer	[21:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00082077 = 15.5938 BTC [-] {2}	[21:08]
moiety	absinth is what has created my wtf nights	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	buanz0 it's heated.	[21:08]
buanz0	good for you.	[21:08]
benkay	so til argentina has no national drink // fernet!	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	by animal means.	[21:08]
benkay	it comes in big gulps at the big clubs	[21:08]
buanz0	the national drink is a herbal infusion known as mate	[21:09]
buanz0	Mate	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	benkay rtfl	[21:09]
benkay	no u	[21:09]
benkay	i have a bag of mate in the cupboard	[21:09]
benkay	CAN YOU TELL I LIKED IT?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	what do you do with it ?	[21:09]
buanz0	yeah, our national drink means "to do it" in english. we frikin rule :P	[21:09]
benkay	buanz0: who are you??	[21:09]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: ever notice people walking around with a big thermos and a small silver cup with a silver "straw"?	[21:09]
buanz0	ask mircea	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	(also, funny story : i visit friend, she's not there, i decide to make tea. i make tea, i taste it, ittastes like shit. eventually i get bored and leave.	[21:10]
benkay	mircea_popescu: who's buanz0	[21:10]
buanz0	good	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	she calls me later "hey, did you boil some catnip at my place ?!"	[21:10]
buanz0	:P	[21:10]
moiety	epic lol	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	me "ow shit, that's why it tasted like shit. i thought you kept tea in the cupboard"	[21:10]
benkay	moiety: i read something you wrote earlier as "5-speed manul"	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	her "fuck i spent an hour trying to figure out how this happened"	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	mthreat yep	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I like absinthe, but on ice. None of that sugar cube stuff. Don't want to become another Diabeetus 'Murican.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im seriously considering a dolce-de-leche only diet for conference	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	gotta offer guests the best!	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	buanz0: who are you?? RTFL omg!	[21:12]
moiety	lol benkay! what have i done to you all in here?! manuls ingrained :D	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: As long as the beef accompanies it.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	dolce de leche beef... hmm...	[21:12]
moiety	BingoBoingo: never had it on ice. i need the sugar or it's so harsh to me	[21:12]
mthreat	conan discovers mate, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DJACP0LytY	[21:13]
assbot	Conan O'Brien Drinking Yerba Mate - YouTube	[21:13]
moiety	that was originally because of laudenum though, the sugar cube, wasn't it?	[21:13]
buanz0	BingoBoingo: I like my absinth with good iced water, depending on the kind of absinth I might add a bit of sugar. the cube thing is just for show.	[21:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it...	[21:13]
moiety	i thought they dripped laudenum onto the cube and dropped it in the absinthe	[21:14]
buanz0	some do. i dont care.	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Too much sugar in the booze leads to booze sweats in the morning.	[21:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34489 @ 0.00081986 = 28.2762 BTC [-] {3}	[21:14]
buanz0	i've done my fair bit of distilling and brewing to know how i like to drink :P	[21:14]
moiety	sorry	[21:14]
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buanz0	it all comes down to the different recipes out there, check out www.absenta.cl	[21:15]
BingoBoingo	I might just switch to grain alcohol and distilled water. Purity of essence for the win.	[21:15]
buanz0	LOL	[21:15]
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moiety	i have a 5 gallon brown demi john and a 1 gallon clear one. i want to start making my own things.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it... << ya prolly	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you can just drink the medicinal alcohol here. i know, cause i tried it. cue "ok, that is by FAR the most ghetto thing I ever saw you do" from floored assistence	[21:17]
buanz0	ok everyone, off to cook. it's 9.17pm in .ar - my nick will be buanzo, mircea knows how to get in touch with me. cya.	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly the most valuable part of my college education was learning which 40 oz bottle of Malt liquor were palatable.	[21:18]
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BingoBoingo	King Cobra, probably the best fermented beverage in the US.	[21:19]
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mircea_popescu	mthreat but you know, national drink in the sense of how romanians have tzuica and scotts scotch.	[21:19]
BingoBoingo	http://www.40ozmaltliquor.com/archive/kingcobra.html	[21:19]
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mthreat	mircea_popescu: ah ok. when i google "argentina national drink" it says mate. I think the national drink is peronism	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	eva ?	[21:21]
mthreat	ya	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	Don't cry for me... Argentina	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if given a choice to drink marylin or eva who'd people pick	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[21:21]
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BingoBoingo	Prolla Eva	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	personally i think i'd prefer the yankee.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	she was hippy	[21:22]
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BingoBoingo	The dark hair and ridiculous lipstick on a girl do it for me.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	this should be informative tho : both of them spent their teenage years whoring.	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	Indeed, and both rose to astounding success in their whore specialties	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	seems the one thing a woman can do to make sure she won't be remarkable, or remembered, is stay in school as a teenager.	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	They can prolly stay in school, they just can't date.	[21:25]
BingoBoingo	They whore successfully on their own of whore for a master. Classes can be taken around that.	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00081672 = 30.382 BTC [-] {2}	[21:27]
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*	BingoBoingo says this a someone who tried to start a blackboard vs. whiteboard flamewar.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	ya what was that al; about	[21:28]
*	asciilifeform blackboard << always wondered if mathematicians ever die of 'white lung'	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	moiety thaty looks like a mini	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	Whiteboards just don't work, and having been drinking since about... 1PM mircea_popescu time... I supposed aspects of bingo University.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform chalk dust or toluene, pick your embalming technique	[21:29]
benkay	;;later tell buanzo nice to meetcha	[21:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:29]
*	asciilifeform picks graphite	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: to my knowledge common chalk minerals are readily digested by the lungs... Electronics and chalk are another matter.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. << consider the source. the guy doesn't readily know which hole his piss comes out of .	[21:30]
moiety	mircea_popescu: :D they were based on minis and the other little coupes of the time	[21:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: common chalk minerals << your chalk isn't CaCO3?! do we even want to know?	[21:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2251 @ 0.00081664 = 1.8383 BTC [-]	[21:31]
Apocalyptic	heh	[21:31]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: When I had access to chalkboards I used a caco3/caso4 mix, whiter lasted longer.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	"snort recycled chalk. it's great for your lungs and interesting for speologists, too!"	[21:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 86192 @ 0.00009999 = 8.6183 BTC [+] {4}	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg << ok that was a lol.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account. << yeah i kinda need fiver type of things but can'r be arsed either.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	jurov you willing to open your fiverr to the chan ? or who was it that had one, mike ?	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	-assets problems	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	Maybe fluffypony	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: shits weak << he has you there bb.	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[21:36]
BingoBoingo	Still, I think the matriculation test is a valuable idea.	[21:36]
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BingoBoingo	By the time a person takes it they are too late to reconsider another institution so after a year of shoveling shit they either get their act together or die.	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	what matriculation is that ?	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Into the freshman class or the subfreshman class.	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/delusional-ceo-says-google-punishes-successful-l-a-com-1591678622/+laceydonohue	[21:40]
assbot	Delusional CEO Says Google Punishes Successful L.A. Companies	[21:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway << not necessarily. let's gedankenexperiment. picture scenario where the two or three remaining producers ship... sabotaged ic. (take your pick - timed self-destruct, perverted algo with collusion of 'dev' folks, etc.)	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	uh ok...	[21:40]
asciilifeform	old hardware - suddenly worth something. at least temporarily.	[21:40]
nubbins`	right on! so this local arts newspaper wants to do a spread on pink eye for their july issue	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	hey good for you	[21:41]
nubbins`	tyvm, pictures & everything	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda improbable.	[21:42]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo dredging up VAXen also seemed improbable just a few years ago.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	no bit look	[21:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Indeed it did, but nao....	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	the "value" of the sabotage is high. to expect an agent to do a high value thing just so YOU can capture its benefits...	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	obviously if they do that, they have a bullet for you, too.	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	rarely will someone kill the queen to die to the bishop as it were	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	Happens, but you need at least two bishops for checkmate.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	i'd even dare to guess that the much-hyped ic fab diddling does indeed take place - but through...	[21:45]
asciilifeform	... diddled toolchains.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo happens in constrained spaces	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	not so much in open	[21:45]
asciilifeform	nobody's gone over tape-out mask with a magnifying glass since when, '85 ?	[21:45]
asciilifeform	think: variation on the ken thompson theme.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	right	[21:46]
asciilifeform	yereaditherephurst (tm)	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	nobody has a clue what's in their toolchain anyway	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If you wipe out the other pieces two bishops and a king can mate a king. actually works better with less clutter on the boardd.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	it could secretly hum ave maria very quietly for all anyone knew	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo by open i mean, a situation that doesn't have a fixed border at the 8th column, ora fixed nuymber of pieces and no generators etcv	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	likewise: if the toolchain is diddled on the manufacturer's (golden master copy) end, you can own multiple (all?) ic producers.	[21:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In that case you aren't playing chess, but instead a more interesting game.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	the monoculture in engineering software puts microshit to shame	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	yup	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	(to both of you)	[21:48]
asciilifeform	afaik this has been discussed - nowhere.	[21:48]
*	mircea_popescu whistles... nowhere but here baby, for if you make it here	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	you make it... everywhere	[21:48]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	afaik asciilifeform HN and the aggregators banned you for a reasons...	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	fud?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	spamz	[21:49]
asciilifeform	spud?	[21:49]
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BingoBoingo	Seekrits... FPGAs as user interactive platforms.	[21:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00081655 = 30.1307 BTC [-] {2}	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	All of a sudden any user makes their own wildly incompatible bedrocks.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	betcha all the current btc asic houses use, e.g. 'synopsys'	[21:51]
BingoBoingo	Shhhh....	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	actually this could be a pretty decent haxxor project	[21:51]
asciilifeform	even more fun than the traditional compiler infector.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	"hijack the fab toolchain"	[21:51]
asciilifeform	(yes they're still extant)	[21:51]
BingoBoingo	It's what Gov-hash.io would do.	[21:52]
mthreat	dumb mining question: is electricity the biggest cost these days? If so, has anyone set up an operation in a locale with cheap (possibly subsidized) electricity?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	not the biggest cost, but a relevant factor ; yes.	[21:53]
BingoBoingo	mthreat: The biggest mining cost has always been the opportunity cost.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	picture: silicocalypse, and just chuck moore left standing.	[21:54]
mthreat	BingoBoingo: that's why I haven't pursued mining	[21:54]
asciilifeform	(he's got his own end-to-end chain)	[21:54]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: argentina has subsidized electricity, i believe	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	so does china	[21:54]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: partially subsidized, i mean	[21:54]
mthreat	ok. I figured folks were already all over that.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	the one thing that may make a datacenter feasible is having someone trustworthy to oversee it	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	that's an unbeatable service, pretty much everyone is shady as fuck	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	see cex.io etc	[21:55]
BingoBoingo	Cex.io is going to cause much more butthurt than Gox ever could and it was promoted by the same tards.	[21:56]
kakobrekla	was it ?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	well, it was promoted also by a set of tards that promote everything	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	so in thatsens	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	e]	[21:57]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I'm talking on the low end. Last summer.	[21:57]
BingoBoingo	At its birth Cex has derps by the ISIS truckload.	[21:57]
kakobrekla	i dunno. the asset they trade only goes down.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so clearly it's bvetter than all other investments. stop trolling :D	[21:58]
kakobrekla	kk	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	Nasty honest...	[21:59]
BingoBoingo	Where the consistent loses are merely club dues.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	the death of critical thinking in school curricula has inter alia resulted in this mass of idiots who will think they're important and meaningful no matter what.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	which in turn creates a class of guys selling them participation.	[22:01]
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mircea_popescu	someone should make the club of "responsible people that keep the sun rising"	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	and you know, collect 20 bux a week in exchange for equipment these idiots "use" to make the sun keep rising	[22:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16257 @ 0.00081604 = 13.2664 BTC [-] {2}	[22:02]
BingoBoingo	Well, people still need to buy participation in the form of Trilema credits to keep up with the cool kids. The bottom of the class will never understand the distinct difference in value returned.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	if all it took weresome tcredits to make someone smart...	[22:04]
BingoBoingo	It doesn't work. I tried throwing around trilema cookies when TF's coinchat was a thing.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	orly ?!	[22:05]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, people kept buying cex inspite of the PMB article.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[22:06]
BingoBoingo	This goes into the distinction between mike_c and TheNewDeal trying to buy into my no bet against the same hard boundaries and only one of them speaking a language I could agree to.	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Wanted to purchase exactly what the bet could underwrite. TheNewDeal wanted something better. Even if mike_c's payment would have been lower it was infinitely more attractive because the bet could underwrite itself.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	ic	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	The Coinchat tard were largely forum tards for whom the forum could not burn their money fast enough. And without and option to remotely fry their retinas I had no stick with which to educate them.	[22:11]
BingoBoingo	They could not understand Cex.io was a PMB with greater risk to themselves.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	Also so many people fell for other idiots pitches where they were making asics in their garage. It was a nightmare.	[22:15]
moiety	This hasn't changed. You can explain until you are blue in the face. People do not want to listen/learn.	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	On the plus side though people would do anything for a bitcent.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	kinmda how i feel about substance abuse	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	you can tlel people anything you want, they're still gonna imagine drugs are cool mkay	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	Yeah.	[22:17]
*	moiety nods	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	it's all a case of "hey dawg, we heard you like endorphins so we put more endorphins in your endorphins so you can space out while you';re spacing out"	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	gl getting it through.	[22:18]
moiety	i have given up trying	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	Casualty of if you can you must http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/hall-of-famer-tony-gwynn-dies-at-54-after-cancer-battle?ymd=20140616&content_id=80040976&vkey=news_mlb	[22:20]
assbot	Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn dies at 54 after cancer battle \| MLB.com: News	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	Honestly I doubt anything could end civilization faster than booze without the hangover, but then... You see those opiates collapsing US civilization.	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually romanian booze doesn't give you a hangover	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	just a pleasant mellow th next day	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	that's why we never amount to anything	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	That would eplain your dissatisfactions with Timisoara's direction	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	how so ?	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	If getting fucked up has no consequences no one appreciates the danger of it.	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	And no one does anything because they can painlessly numb away their failure.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	a, their drink up around there is kinda shitty.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	sorta like you know, "new hampshire moonshine"	[22:25]
BingoBoingo	Ouch	[22:25]
*	decimation (~decimatio@50.117.121.51) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	ok the rosenblatt article is quite lulzy	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	While Demand Media went public for a blistering $2 billion in 2011, its articles were largely useless, with titles ranging from "How to Boil Water" to "How to Turn on a Mac Computer." Google, in an effort to serve up quality content to its users, dropped Demand's articles down in the search results. The company's traffic plummeted and its shareholders were left researching "How to Write Off a Worthless Stock."	[22:27]
*	peterl (~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	I think at my lowest points I made a couple tanks of gas off of them. Stopped because their editorial policies made anything useful impossible.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070820011514AAt4rlU	[22:28]
assbot	Am i pregnent???? please help me....?	[22:28]
*	assbot gives voice to decimation	[22:28]
*	assbot gives voice to peterl	[22:29]
kakobrekla	chill the fuck down assbot, you are not.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	lol win.	[22:29]
decimation	I watched "Elysium" on the redeye back from hawaii last night. Steve Sailor's review nails it: http://takimag.com/article/elysium_neill_blomkamp_fools_the_critics_again_steve_sailer	[22:29]
assbot	Elysium: Neill Blomkamp Fools the Critics Again - Taki's Magazine	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	what have been doing with the assbot kako ?	[22:29]
peterl	so I was reading the trilema about the D series	[22:30]
peterl	essentially it is naked shorting derps?	[22:30]
moiety	lmao @ "if he spirmed in you"	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	peterl yea	[22:30]
peterl	and how does that squash them?	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.00081584 = 7.7782 BTC [-] {2}	[22:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10022 @ 0.0001 = 1.0022 BTC [+]	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	that's complicated.	[22:31]
peterl	I figured. is there a simple way to understand it?	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	Complicated in the same way that earned Amphoteracin the nickname Amphoterrible.	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell BingoBoingo you should do some pharacology posts	[22:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:32]
peterl	And if they never list their company publicly, you just get to keep the money?	[22:32]
peterl	What happens if they sell out to a big company instead of listing?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	peterl perhaps. suppose some guy comes to your town and starts seelling bottled water as "magical healing elixir"	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	for 95 a bottle.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	now suppose 7/11 down thestreet from him sees this and puts up an ad : "same thing. 75c"	[22:33]
peterl	so people buy from 7-11	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	kinda makes it difficult for the shills pretending to be buying from the guy.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	because now they are actually going against sanity, much like the "havelock users" that somehow "bought" the re-ipo, briefly at 200% averages	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	the rent re-ipo*	[22:34]
peterl	but doesn't derp have infinite hitpoints?	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	problem with these deals is that they're not for derps.	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	peterl: Derp lacks infinite money.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	that's the whole selling point of a series a : "buy before the masses"	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	if anyone can have it, for cheaper, you can't sell more.	[22:36]
peterl	ah, so this is a way to make money off the endless stream of derps?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	if you can't sell more, and even if you have good reason to suspect you won't be able to sell more, you have no furhter reasopn to even try	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	not like you're in it for reals anyway.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.	[22:37]
peterl	do you expect people to actually buy shares from you, or will it just be a way to expose the sham they are running?	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	i expect anyone who actually thinks one of the things is worth money to buy from me first, yes.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	kinda how economics work.	[22:38]
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kakobrekla	(in theory)	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	no, it's actually how economics work in practice.	[22:39]
peterl	but buying from you does not get capital to the people who would make it work	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it exposes the hostile agents to a hard case of the "either stupid or evil" dilemma.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	it does, sure.	[22:39]
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decimation	presumably the 'founders' who believed in their company would buy shares too	[22:40]
BingoBoingo	decimation: If they need capital why would they buy shares?	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	no but there's no difference between avoiding a debt and making a gain. inasmuch as the offer is there, it's indifferent who you buy from. if you buy from me you prevent someone else from doing so, who will in turn have to buy from the "Founders"	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	economy is still a zero sum game, and you don't actually have political directionality.	[22:41]
kakobrekla	i guess we shall see about the practice part.	[22:41]
peterl	BingoBoingo: if they had capital, why would they be selling shares?	[22:42]
decimation	I think bingo means why would they buy D series from mircea	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No.	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	peterl: You didn't quite hit the contrapositive of my position.	[22:43]
peterl	I don't think I meant to?	[22:43]
Mats_cd03	decimation: elysium's production value was incredible. props from peter jackson's failed halo movie made it into elysium, like the flying machine	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	peterl: Because your construction is silly. How much capital has Armandi raised for no purpose.	[22:44]
peterl	So you are saying they would raise capital and then use it to buy D shares?	[22:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1106 @ 0.00081727 = 0.9039 BTC [+]	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	i suppose that could yield them a profit.	[22:45]
BingoBoingo	peterl: No, you are trying to add context absent from my proposition.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	they could also saw off their own limbs and roast them. save on food cost for their startup.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	so apparently bitcoind has a serious problem with moving timezones	[22:46]
decimation	mats: heh yeah you are right. I think he was trying to convey several points: 1.) half measures don't work - shoot down the third world shuttles when they invade 2.) democracy turns to decadence - too weak to hold the allodial rights to a domain	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I kind of though that was part of the MP attitude towards building certain ideas. If you lack the captital to not roast your leg and can't ask for money, you eat yourself.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	"Then he got to her essay. As he remembers it, she mentioned a French teacher she greatly admired. She described their one-on-one conversation at the end of a school day. And then, this detail: During their talk, when an urge to go to the bathroom could no longer be denied, she decided not to interrupt the teacher or exit the room. She simply urinated on herself."	[22:47]
Mats_cd03	yeah and for fucks sake audit your code so the peasants dont ruin elysium	[22:49]
decimation	lol re: college admissions - it's also well known that putting something like "future farmer of america" or "boy scout" or "rotc" (high school junior military "club") greatly reduces the probability of admission	[22:49]
decimation	mats: yeah that's the other point - if the "logic" of your computerized government system is reprogrammable, you've fucked up	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	boy scout ?! why ?	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	not gay enough anymore ?	[22:49]
asciilifeform	the wrong gay	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	decimation: My Eagle scoutness did not adversly affect my admissionness to undergrad.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(as outlined in mp's essay on the subclasses)	[22:50]
decimation	did you go to an ivy league?	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No, incentive for such was insufficient.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	lol so then you don't count	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	Fattest person on the team hit a triple https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/478714633327349760	[22:51]
assbot	Matt Adams now tied for the /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash team lead with three triples.	[22:51]
decimation	well, basically going to ivy league is religious indoctrination	[22:51]
decimation	so it's not suprising that they only select the non-heretics	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	ima brb.	[22:51]

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