Forum logs for 16 Aug 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[08:47]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin assets and securities discussion. \|\| Bitcoin asset exchanges: GLBSE https://glbse.com \|\| MPEx http://polimedia.us/mpex \|\| CST https://cryptostocks.com \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades	[08:47]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Tue Aug 14 22:29:27 2012	[08:47]
*	safra (~dan@93-173-58-23.bb.netvision.net.il) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:50]
MoneyIsDebt	rg: Just curious - why not on glbse?	[08:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.105 = 1.68 BTC [+]	[08:52]
rg	MoneyIsDebt: because i agreed to be on MPEX	[08:53]
rg	someone was supposed to setup a broker site to MPEX	[08:53]
rg	so you could trade MPEX+GLBSE	[08:53]
rg	but SOMEONE never finished it	[08:53]
rg	besides, glbse is all mining bonds	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	lol someone is like i dun remember, 6 ppl ?	[08:54]
rg	shit is useless	[08:54]
rg	azelphur did most of the work	[08:54]
rg	he just never finished it	[08:54]
rg	if i had skill i'd finish it	[08:54]
Azelphur	:D	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	jurov was working on it too	[08:54]
rg	but i don ot	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	i think he's on vacations	[08:54]
rg	i dont understand why no one has finished it	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	and there more i duno recall right off	[08:55]
rg	theres basically free money for the taking	[08:55]
rg	whoever does it	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[08:55]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.105 = 1.89 BTC [+]	[08:55]
rg	even if you made $100/wk	[08:55]
Azelphur	rg: because I got scared, I really don't like the idea of handling large amounts of money	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	i think many people lack the discipline.	[08:55]
rg	it'd be worth it	[08:55]
Azelphur	it's the sorta thing I'd loose sleep over lol	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah, this is not peanuts, like "o i made an apple app with crows"	[08:55]
MoneyIsDebt	what money	[08:55]
rg	so	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	this is... you fuck up, you're on the hook	[08:56]
rg	you shoulda still finished it	[08:56]
rg	and let someone else run it	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	for... 10k btc, 150k usd, your house. ouch.	[08:56]
rg	and took a cut from the profit	[08:56]
rg	you're thinking too short term/small picture man	[08:56]
rg	that's the problem with bitcoin, no one is thinking big picture	[08:56]
rg	so much money for the taking	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	MoneyIsDebt check this out for instance	[08:56]
rg	and no one is taking it	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpex-devtalk/http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpex-devtalk/	[08:56]
rg	at least mircea is getting a piece of the action	[08:56]
rg	he basically opened up a whole new venue for people to grab a piece too	[08:57]
Azelphur	rg: I'm getting plenty :)	[08:57]
rg	but no one has	[08:57]
rg	Azelphur: small picture, again	[08:57]
Azelphur	nou	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	bah that was fucked up wtf.	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpex-devtalk/	[08:57]
rg	shrug	[08:58]
rg	if you dont want money	[08:58]
rg	dont take it	[08:58]
rg	someone else will, eventually	[08:58]
MoneyIsDebt	I'd be interested	[08:58]
MoneyIsDebt	But I have the same concerns as Azelphur - handling ppls money securely	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	rg : to be honest i think the right way to start is something like brendio is doing (maybe smickles was doing it too i dont recall) : brokerage services.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	no site, no automation, old style.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	heck, back in the 1990s i used to CALL my broker, or drop by his office	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	and we'd trade via telex ffs.	[08:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+]	[08:59]
MoneyIsDebt	mircea_popescu: But then, why not use opentransactions or something	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	im not familiar with that project	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	past knowing it exists.	[09:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17698 @ 0.00038668 = 6.8435 BTC [-]	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	jee the mrket is punishing me for my ignorance ?	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	have mercy i r but human!	[09:01]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm about to cash out a bit :p	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	what, you had money ?	[09:01]
MoneyIsDebt	so what's the state of the brokerage code at the moment?	[09:01]
Azelphur	need some money since I kinda went on a shopping spree lol	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	MoneyIsDebt huh ?	[09:02]
MoneyIsDebt	if I wanted to finish it	[09:02]
*	farfi (~farfi@93-172-138-195.bb.netvision.net.il) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[09:02]
MoneyIsDebt	is it available?	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone released anything.	[09:02]
MoneyIsDebt	ok	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	well, Azelphur released a python bot	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	what was it, pympex ? on git ?	[09:02]
MoneyIsDebt	well, I've already made a frontend for glbse	[09:03]
Azelphur	haha, that's just a very simple library that won't do a whole lot for an exchange	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	o ? can we see it ?	[09:03]
MoneyIsDebt	I haven't looked at the mpex api	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	there's no mpex api in that sense. you have to pipe gpg strings in that's all.	[09:03]
Azelphur	MoneyIsDebt: it's difficult to work with	[09:03]
Azelphur	^ indeed	[09:03]
Azelphur	and after you do the first read, it just wipes all the data	[09:03]
rg	i have azelphurs exchange	[09:04]
rg	but i wouldnt give it out without permission	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur hm ?	[09:04]
rg	i only have it in a vm backup	[09:04]
Azelphur	hehe	[09:04]
rg	i saved his vm image before i wiped it	[09:04]
MoneyIsDebt	Don't give me anything yet	[09:04]
rg	at least i think i still have it	[09:04]
rg	there is a good chance i do not	[09:04]
MoneyIsDebt	Since I'm potentially working on a competing product	[09:04]
Azelphur	yea, I don't particularly want it handed out because people tend not to understand what "no support" means	[09:04]
MoneyIsDebt	I don't want to be encumbered with copyright issues, unless it's really up for grabs	[09:05]
Azelphur	every time I give something out that is unfinished as no support, people pummel me with questions	[09:05]
rg	well Money, i dont think it really competes	[09:05]
rg	considering he gave up	[09:05]
rg	and its unfinished	[09:05]
Azelphur	yea	[09:05]
MoneyIsDebt	What language did you use?	[09:05]
Azelphur	it won't really be of any use to anyone, if someone is going to make an exchange they may as well do it from scratch	[09:05]
Azelphur	python/django	[09:05]
MoneyIsDebt	cool	[09:05]
rg	i liked it	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44778 @ 0.00038668 = 17.3148 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00038369 = 23.8655 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53818 @ 0.00037945 = 20.4212 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00037831 = 11.425 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58675 @ 0.00037597 = 22.06 BTC [-]	[09:05]
rg	i was going to pay to have GLBSE do MPEX natively	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3870 @ 0.00037532 = 1.4525 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00037487 = 12.5956 BTC [-]	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12859 @ 0.00037445 = 4.8151 BTC [-]	[09:05]
rg	but nefario is all	[09:05]
Azelphur	yea it was nice, maybe one day I'll rack up the courage to go back to it	[09:05]
rg	no	[09:05]
rg	im going to china	[09:05]
rg	my real life is more important than IRC life	[09:06]
rg	bla bla	[09:06]
BTC-Mining	........	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	hahaha what ?!	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	wtf is everyone going to china for ?	[09:06]
rg	misc. reasons	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	it's cheaper to import the hos.	[09:06]
Harvey00	Government leaves you alone apparently	[09:06]
Luceo	:D	[09:06]
BTC-Mining	You have some guts approriating yourself the life of others	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 the COMMUNIST govt leaves you alones ?	[09:06]
MoneyIsDebt	communist china - land of the free	[09:06]
Luceo	If you want a government that will leave you alone	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	jesus x what did the us come to.	[09:06]
Luceo	Go to South America	[09:06]
MoneyIsDebt	too bad the US went to hell	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	Luceo or romania.	[09:06]
Harvey00	The government might be communist but its incompetent	[09:07]
MoneyIsDebt	liberty wise	[09:07]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: Yeah or Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary good too	[09:07]
Harvey00	Farming communities secede from the Chinese government all the time.	[09:07]
Luceo	I might move to Romania, you guys have fast Internet and fine ladies :D	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	or the czech republic, serbia	[09:07]
Harvey00	China is more American than America at its core.	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	heck, you can take the girls for a nude walk in the street there	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	nobody gives a shit.	[09:07]
Luceo	Yeah Chinese government doesn't give a fuck what you do as long as you dont' attack them	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	Luceo no joke on either score. romania interwebz is like top 5 IN THE WERLD.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	i get 12mbps for like $30	[09:08]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: I know, and I have a Romanian ex so	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	a	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	well then.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	where you from ?	[09:08]
Luceo	I know Romania wins on the other count too ;)	[09:08]
rg	mircea_popescu: lol	[09:08]
rg	12mb inside romania	[09:08]
Luceo	Switzerland	[09:08]
Harvey00	I got bored of women after playing pua for too long.	[09:08]
rg	1mb/512k to anywher eelse	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	rg nope.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	i talk to my server at 32mpbs lol. how do you think i donwload all my meals.	[09:08]
rg	we pay like $50/mo	[09:09]
rg	and get 2MB/sec	[09:09]
Harvey00	you wouldn't download a steak	[09:09]
rg	and 600KB/sec up	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	not without sauce i wouldn't.	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 i never got into that entire pua thing, seems so stupid.	[09:09]
Luceo	I get 200Mbit/40Mbit for about $70/m	[09:09]
rg	22% [=======> ] 23,798,327 2.78M/s eta 27s	[09:09]
Harvey00	mircea_popescu: The principle of it is to be confident. anyways, yeah it's stupid because there's more to life.	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	that's not my objection even, i am confident by nature and experience.	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	BUT why the fuck am i talking to random idiots based on how they look ?	[09:10]
Luceo	mme.honv.tar.gz ~ D/L: 21,996.4 kbps	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	dude, i need clever women.	[09:10]
rg	i need some espresso	[09:10]
Harvey00	I need to stop being so nihilistic and depressed.	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	it's about 100x more efficient to just let my blog filter them out.	[09:11]
rg	i got to get some work done tonight	[09:11]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: :D	[09:11]
rg	i have been slacking	[09:11]
rg	i need to FINISH	[09:11]
rg	the god damn	[09:11]
Harvey00	Also bitdaytrade is offering trading on margin	[09:11]
rg	bitvps website	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	rg you need a pet.	[09:11]
Harvey00	Watch the market go wacky with gamblers.	[09:11]
rg	well im moving to england soon	[09:11]
rg	so im ot getting a pet	[09:11]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: I need a pet	[09:11]
Luceo	I should get a kitten	[09:11]
rg	im already pissed i cant bring my fucking plants	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	im selling pets, nice tits, great ass, 10k btc a pop.	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	lifetime.	[09:11]
rg	shit is fucking gay	[09:11]
rg	i spent so much time on these plants	[09:11]
rg	now i cant even bring them	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	rg : make them salad, eat them right before you go to airport.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	stick it to the man.	[09:12]
rg	theyre not food	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	Copyright ©2012 Bitdaytrade ltd. << is this a wannabe bitcoinica ?	[09:12]
rg	its james' desert plant collection	[09:12]
rg	theres a haworthia attenunata	[09:12]
rg	a cactus	[09:13]
rg	and another cactus	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	cactus makes great salad.	[09:13]
rg	the cactus might die	[09:13]
Luceo	Cactus makes good beer	[09:13]
rg	i rescued it	[09:13]
rg	i mighta been too late	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	and it's called attenuata	[09:13]
Luceo	rg: When you come to Europe, go to Brussels	[09:13]
Luceo	And visit a bar called Delirium	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	ya rg, you couldbuy handmade lace for your nigger ass there!	[09:13]
Luceo	They sell about 1600 different beers	[09:13]
Luceo	and 400 absinthes	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	Luceo i know some guy who went into some bar like that with x beers. they had a gallon cup thing	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	and he ordered a shot of each beer.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	like 200+ lmao	[09:14]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: Delirium have a 2 liter cup, I know that much :P	[09:14]
Luceo	lol	[09:14]
Luceo	I go there about every 2 months, great fun	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe it was 2liter, i recall but vaguely.	[09:15]
Luceo	And yeah the relevance was	[09:16]
Luceo	Delirium sell cactus beer	[09:16]
Luceo	Which I forgot to mention because I'm sleep deprived	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	i just slept 10 hours or so	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	im fresh as a newborn babe.	[09:17]
Luceo	~_~ I havent slept 10h in the last 48	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	and before that i took a 4 hr nap	[09:18]
*	Luceo is jelly	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	and in between the nap and the sleep i had excellent sweet&sour pork and my toes suckled.	[09:18]
Harvey00	....	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	the life of a btc financier is fraught with danger.	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	peril	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	and horrors diverse.	[09:19]
Diablo-D3	that is disgusting.	[09:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10435 BTC [+]	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	don't knock it till you've had it, i say.	[09:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00112586 = 9.795 BTC [-]	[09:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3400 @ 0.0011183 = 3.8022 BTC [-]	[09:19]
*	PsychoticBoy-AFK is now known as PsychoticBoy	[09:20]
Harvey00	BitDayTrade is for losers, nevermind	[09:20]
Harvey00	The site doesn't even bloody work	[09:20]
Diablo-D3	Harvey00: hes a troll, dont worry	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 go get margin on mpex eh.	[09:20]
Harvey00	If I knew how to work that bloody thing.	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	haha. just use Azelphur's python tool srsly.	[09:21]
Harvey00	will google	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	hm	[09:21]
Azelphur	confirmations taking 351235435234 years o/	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx	[09:22]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: want some ebay laughs? :P	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	sure	[09:22]
*	mircea_popescu looks at the withdrawals, sees nothing from anyone today.	[09:22]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW	[09:22]
Azelphur	"new" "perfect condition" "comes with box and earphones!"	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	someone showed me a destructified one just yest	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	also from ebay	[09:23]
Azelphur	I especially love the lockscreen, they didn't give me the password	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	no wait, i think it was you lol	[09:23]
Azelphur	I already won that though, I have the phone and the money	[09:23]
Azelphur	so it's like "what now bitch"	[09:23]
Azelphur	:P	[09:23]
Azelphur	I'm not gonna drop to his level though, I told him if he pays shipping he can have it back.	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur authored 12 days ago < o hey, still maintained ?	[09:24]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yea, smickles made a pull request	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	a	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	ya, add smickles to the list of people who are making a brokerage site.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	that's 3, but im pretty sure there were more	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	course some musta quit i guess	[09:25]
rg	i use pympex pretty much exclusively	[09:25]
Azelphur	:D	[09:25]
Luceo	I need to reg on mpex at some point	[09:25]
Azelphur	woo my nexus 7 has left the depot for delivery	[09:25]
Azelphur	go postman, go.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	Luceo better sooner than later lol.	[09:26]
Luceo	Im still waiting for my cheap Korean keyboard	[09:26]
Luceo	to replace this shitty $150 mechanical keyboard >_<	[09:26]
Azelphur	xD	[09:26]
Diablo-D3	>shitty	[09:26]
Diablo-D3	>mechanical	[09:26]
*	mircea_popescu seriously envisages the reg fee being 100 eventually.	[09:26]
Diablo-D3	wat	[09:26]
Azelphur	I saw a keyboard the other day that seriously tempted me to buy it	[09:26]
Luceo	Diablo-D3: Steelseries 7	[09:26]
Azelphur	it had a couple issues which put me offt hough	[09:26]
Luceo	It's junk	[09:26]
Diablo-D3	oh	[09:26]
rg	Diablo-D3: i heard you ruined all the mining bonders days	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	!ticker dmc	[09:27]
Diablo-D3	Luceo: that company produces shit	[09:27]
Azelphur	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3AbwJON7ECk	[09:27]
rg	and for that, i thank you for the lulz	[09:27]
Diablo-D3	dont buy from them	[09:27]
Azelphur	shits tempting as hell	[09:27]
assbot	[GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.063] [Ask: 0.079] [Spread: 0.016] [Last: 0.079] [24hVol: 93.018791] [7dAvg: 0.05644972]	[09:27]
Diablo-D3	rg: well it was an accident	[09:27]
Azelphur	but, not mechanical, and no API for the LCD from what I can see	[09:27]
Luceo	Diablo-D3: Yes, they do	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	owow it went up.	[09:27]
Azelphur	and no Linux support, and expensive	[09:27]
Diablo-D3	Luceo: theres like three keyboards worth owning	[09:27]
rg	Diablo-D3: did you post a statement?	[09:27]
Azelphur	but it looks kickass...I wants it :(	[09:27]
Luceo	Diablo-D3: Qsenn DT-35, best keyboard ever	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	rg what did he do anyway ?	[09:27]
Luceo	And they're about $10 :P	[09:27]
rg	also where is DMC's p/l statement?	[09:27]
Diablo-D3	rg: I didnt personally destroy bonds	[09:28]
Diablo-D3	I used asicminer to do it	[09:28]
rg	tell me and mircea what happened	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	wasnt that deadterra's ?!	[09:28]
Diablo-D3	and now they're forced to trade me 15mh per dmc	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly lol	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	;;lube assbot	[09:29]
gribble	Error: "lube" is not a valid command.	[09:29]
Diablo-D3	I think Im going to start a motion to not pay dividends for the next few months as well	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	you don't know what life is, gribs.	[09:29]
Diablo-D3	just so I can buy the market. all of it.	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	what market ?	[09:29]
rg	mircea	[09:30]
rg	is this illegal:	[09:30]
rg	can i give large share holders free VPS's ?	[09:30]
Luceo	I think that'd be dumb if it was illegak	[09:31]
Luceo	illegal*	[09:31]
Luceo	But you never know with the government	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't see why'd it be illegal.	[09:31]
rg	im just making sure	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	Luceo he means illegal in the mpex sense of that term.	[09:31]
rg	how can i prove people actually hold bitvps shares?	[09:31]
rg	yeah	[09:31]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: Ohhh!	[09:31]
rg	i dont give a shit about the government	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	rg you can't really check.	[09:31]
rg	im already breaking SEC regulations by even being listed on MPEX	[09:32]
rg	i just dont want to make 'the management' angry	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	unless they show you STATs.	[09:32]
rg	easly faked	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	but even so, why'd you want to do that ?	[09:32]
rg	=/	[09:32]
rg	uhh	[09:32]
rg	cause i love my share holders	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	they're anon.	[09:32]
rg	they gave me a lot of money	[09:32]
rg	for not that much in return	[09:32]
rg	so id like to make them happy?	[09:32]
rg	is THAT a crime?	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	yes. just make them money. happyness is what women are for.	[09:33]
rg	women are not worth the hassle more than half the time	[09:33]
Luceo	I need to update prices	[09:33]
Luceo	AGAIN	[09:33]
Luceo	-_-	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	what prices ?	[09:33]
rg	anyone who binds their happiness to a woman is missing out	[09:33]
Luceo	VPS prices	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	didn't know you swung the other way rg.	[09:33]
Luceo	Bitcoin keeps shooting up :<	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	Luceo you run a vps too ?	[09:33]
rg	i dont swing the other way	[09:33]
Luceo	mircea_popescu: Yeah	[09:34]
BTC-Mining	Yes, you undeserving business man. You're not shark enough! That's a crime according to the business entourage.	[09:34]
BTC-Mining	They'll judge and sentence you according to their laws.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining dun be a hater, this is the digital fronteer.	[09:34]
BTC-Mining	I'm not serious eh	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	unseriousness is illegal.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin iz srs bzns.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	jesus fuck we're over 13 ?!	[09:35]
Luceo	;;ticker	[09:35]
gribble	Best bid: 13.19993, Best ask: 13.19994, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.19994, 24 hour volume: 73786, 24 hour low: 12.29, 24 hour high: 13.45	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	i feel like im 12 again and every morning i wake up to a new party.	[09:36]
BTC-Mining	Aye... lots of asks being added	[09:36]
BTC-Mining	but even more bids	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	was as high as 13.45 fo reals.	[09:36]
BTC-Mining	That's over 1/3rd than the bubble at it's high	[09:37]
BTC-Mining	except growth is much slower...	[09:37]
BTC-Mining	I hope it goes back down by quite a bit eventually however	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	i honestly think we'll prolly close the year ~20	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	and we'll never see under 10 ever again.	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	that past is forever closed in a crypt of awesome, and we'll just reminesce about it.	[09:38]
BTC-Mining	Well, transactions amount have raised overall. What was thought of as a fad that would go away at the turn of the first bubble actually survived quite well.	[09:38]
Luceo	$25 by year end	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	yup. and the rewards are halving	[09:38]
BTC-Mining	It's still a fast changing, small economy, but the outlook isn't bad for bitcoins	[09:38]
BTC-Mining	That too.	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	that is the key factor i think.	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	i imagine by 2015 everyone is trading in milibtc	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	and we'll be thought of as titans, like the people with the 10k btc pizza.	[09:39]
BTC-Mining	50 BTC x 6/hour x 24 h = 7200 generated daily	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining the point nobody understands is inflation.	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	on a 7mn base 7k generated daily is like 40% inflation yoy.	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	the prices holding their ground in those conditions is unheard of irl.	[09:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170N] 1 @ 0.56779392 BTC [-]	[09:40]
Luceo	We'lll be the BTCilderberg Group? :P	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	countries with 40% year inflation flounder.	[09:41]
BTC-Mining	That's about 1/10th of MtGox volume too	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	Luceo not you, the rest of us. the ppl with money.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	:D	[09:41]
Luceo	:o	[09:41]
Luceo	I has money :P	[09:41]
BTC-Mining	Once inflation is halved and less miners sell, it might gain more value.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	way faster.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	that's the thing, rewards double	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	3600 added to a 13mn base is now more like usd inflation was	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	back in the 90s when that economy worked still	[09:41]
Luceo	Its k each of these BTC are going to be worth like	[09:42]
Luceo	$1m one day	[09:42]
Luceo	np :D	[09:42]
BTC-Mining	Nah...	[09:42]
BTC-Mining	We'd need a 21 trillion market cap with all bitcoins generated for that.	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	i doubt 1mn really. i guess we'll see more like 20k tops.	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	in our lifetimes.	[09:43]
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mircea_popescu	the thing is, on thw face of it 21 trn seems doable, what, the world gdp is about there.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	BUT most of that gdp is fake. the touch of btc will shring it to nothing.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	the us gdp is not even 1 trn in bitcoin-convertible usd.	[09:44]
Luceo	I think probably $1k is achievable	[09:46]
Luceo	Above that may be difficult	[09:46]
Luceo	But I'll still be a multi-millionaire if we hit $1k so	[09:46]
Luceo	Sounds good to me	[09:46]
*	mircea_popescu calcs .py 1bn * 0.003 a share * 1k usd a btc....	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	.py 10^9 * 0.003 * 10^3	[09:47]
markac	TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'int' and 'float'	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	aww!	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	.py 10*9 0.003 * 10**3	[09:47]
markac	3000000000.0	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	hey, billionaire!	[09:48]
Luceo	Hmm, I wouldnt quite be there :P	[09:49]
Luceo	yet ;)	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	i used a very conservative mpex share multiplyer of 10x.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	considering it went like 4x since april...	[09:52]
Azelphur	there we go, cashed out $900	[09:55]
*	mircea_popescu remembers the time 1k $ bought him 515 btc	[09:56]
Luceo	I got in with ~$2400 and got 800 BTC, first time around	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	haha my first buy was 1k usd for 60 btc	[10:01]
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BTC-Mining	Canada is a weird thing.	[10:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0003965 = 9.1988 BTC [+]	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	The first 10 securities that sold shares in value of 100BTC will get their registation fees of 10BTC reimbursed.	[10:24]
BTC-Mining	Has the USA's hat, it seems to be influenced a lot by their systems. Yet it does a lot of "un-sucky" things on the other side.	[10:24]
BTC-Mining	As the USA's hat*	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	it does a lot of sucky things too. imo it's the unfortunate bastard of the us and europe	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	has inherited the stupidities of both.	[10:25]
rg	its not anonymous	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	i mean, in england you can't own guns and the policeman can't ask for your id	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	in canada you can't own guns.	[10:25]
rg	and theyre rewriting it cause the bitcoind src is garbage	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	in the us you have freedom of speech and everyone is stupid-liberal.	[10:26]
rg	bitcoind hasnt gotten any better	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	in canada everyone is stupid-liberal.	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[10:26]
rg	w ehave all these new features	[10:26]
rg	and the client still BLOWS	[10:26]
rg	cause bitcoin-dev would rather argue about BIP-124958252752752	[10:26]
rg	than get anything real done	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	did you finish your site rg	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	or are just arguing about bitcoin-d	[10:27]
rg	i havent even started	[10:27]
rg	i just washed my fce mask off	[10:27]
rg	im going to an annual cook out this weekend	[10:28]
rg	at a friends	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	your. im sorry, your face mask ?	[10:28]
rg	and there is prime stockto fucking	[10:28]
rg	so my skin has to look nice	[10:28]
rg	i dont have sex much	[10:28]
rg	but when i do	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	dude the day i wear face masks to get laid...	[10:28]
rg	its at this bbq	[10:28]
rg	umm	[10:28]
rg	its not to get lid	[10:28]
rg	its to clear up my face and make it look nice	[10:29]
rg	so i can trick a girl into having sex with me	[10:29]
rg	not all of us can have silky smooth, blemish free skin	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	my face ain't silk smooth.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	besides i got a beard half the time	[10:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.118 = 0.472 BTC [+]	[10:31]
rg	so you have nasty skin under your beard	[10:31]
rg	i cant grow a beard	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	i dont have nasty skin lol.	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	i have man skin. not silky who knows what not nasty, just human.	[10:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 725 @ 0.00375196 = 2.7202 BTC [+]	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	jesus god what is happening to this worl;d	[10:32]
rg	well	[10:33]
rg	im irish	[10:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.0003965 = 2.0257 BTC [+]	[10:33]
rg	and we're pasty white	[10:33]
rg	so any imperfections on the skin show up	[10:33]
rg	a lot	[10:33]
rg	so when i go into public	[10:33]
rg	i have to do stuff	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	i thought you were black !?	[10:34]
rg	shut your mouth...	[10:34]
BTC-Mining	rg: how about shaving and going out in the sun every now and then? Get some all natural "de-whitening" treatment?	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	nah, i knew an irish lass	[10:34]
rg	i cant shave	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	she's shave and go in the sun	[10:34]
rg	or else i look 14	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	and then she'd freckle the fuck up	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	rg hos wanna do 14yo bois all da time.	[10:35]
rg	i need a haircut	[10:35]
rg	maybe if its not a million degrees out tomorrow ill go get one	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, did i ever see a pic of you ?	[10:36]
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rg	probably	[10:37]
rg	its on photobook.bitvps.com	[10:37]
*	mircea_popescu looks	[10:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.105 = 2.73 BTC [+]	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	o hey was that there b4 ? i honestly thought you were black!	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	you sly dog you. i wouldn't worry about any blemishes.	[10:39]
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mircea_popescu	and where's draco anymore.	[10:40]
BTC-Mining	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101012.0	[10:43]
BTC-Mining	Well I have created a new asset.	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	gl with it.	[10:44]
BTC-Mining	It's not much but eh.	[10:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]	[10:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [-]	[10:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 0.99 = 10.89 BTC [-]	[10:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30781 @ 0.0003965 = 12.2047 BTC [+]	[10:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18793 @ 0.0003965 = 7.4514 BTC [+]	[10:46]
BTC-Mining	Seems there will need to be a pass-through since it's 100 BTC slices minimum	[10:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.105 = 2.625 BTC [+]	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	i thought he paid 1% a week, where's 2.25 from ?	[10:48]
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BTC-Mining	Target and maximum return	[10:49]
BTC-Mining	Although contract states 9/10th of current rate	[10:49]
BTC-Mining	It's not his deposits operation, he created a new fund.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	o	[10:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]	[10:50]
BTC-Mining	I'll add a note about that in the thread I guess	[10:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4600 @ 0.00112585 = 5.1789 BTC [+]	[10:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00113125 = 2.3756 BTC [+]	[10:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1271 @ 0.00113657 = 1.4446 BTC [+]	[10:56]
MoneyIsDebt	Where are all these lending operations getting their profits from? Silk road customers paying 10% weekly interest, or?	[10:58]
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mircea_popescu	MoneyIsDebt this is unclear.	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	i know some people lend to forum users, sorta consumer/retail loans	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	but they seem insanely high risk to me.	[10:59]
MoneyIsDebt	yes, high risk, but also expensive for the borrower	[10:59]
MoneyIsDebt	I guess if you're addicted to drugs and need to buy on SR you'd agree to those rates	[11:00]
MoneyIsDebt	I can't see many other reasons to take expensive bitcoin loans , especially now that the prices are skyrocketing	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	i would have expected honestly to see daisychain defaults in the banks	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	seeing how at the rates they charge a 2x increase in btc/usd means prolly 50x default increase.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	tbh kludge is the most vulnerable i would guess, he got hit by an undisclosed loss in the owens case, if he also has a pile of toxic debt and the people start flooding out of his pirate passthrough thing...	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	course this is all speculation.	[11:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 3 @ 1.0499 = 3.1497 BTC [+]	[11:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 1.05 = 10.5 BTC [+]	[11:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.05 = 2.1 BTC [+]	[11:03]
MoneyIsDebt	maybe lenders are simply shorting bitcoin	[11:04]
MoneyIsDebt	but they must be in trouble these days...	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	if they were shorting bitcoin i'd see a lot more hedging volume on options.	[11:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [-]	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	my honest oppinion is that this is mostly citizen banking. people playing around.	[11:05]
MoneyIsDebt	could be	[11:05]
MoneyIsDebt	pirate is playing bigtime though ;)	[11:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.1499 = 1.3491 BTC [+]	[11:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]	[11:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 14 @ 0.154 = 2.156 BTC [+]	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	not everyone is equally responsible.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	take 30 kids to the seaside	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	ten will play on the beach, twenty in the water	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	of which one will drown.	[11:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]	[11:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.398 = 0.796 BTC [-]	[11:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 551 @ 0.00113771 = 0.6269 BTC [+]	[11:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3268 @ 0.00113791 = 3.7187 BTC [+]	[11:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8681 @ 0.00113797 = 9.8787 BTC [+]	[11:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2804 @ 0.00113753 = 3.1896 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6000 @ 0.0011183 = 6.7098 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5798 @ 0.0011145 = 6.4619 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5458 @ 0.00111081 = 6.0628 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7355 @ 0.00110983 = 8.1628 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 585 @ 0.0011039 = 0.6458 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5555 @ 0.0011039 = 6.1322 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18600 @ 0.00107525 = 19.9997 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 511 @ 0.00106054 = 0.5419 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00103862 = 6.024 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14534 @ 0.0010386 = 15.095 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00038925 = 9.1474 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24681 @ 0.00037445 = 9.2418 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00037424 = 15.4935 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00037327 = 2.9115 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30336 @ 0.00036389 = 11.039 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00036134 = 11.3461 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035927 = 15.736 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52047 @ 0.00034738 = 18.0801 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30036 @ 0.00034723 = 10.4294 BTC [-]	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2672 @ 0.0010386 = 2.7751 BTC [-]	[11:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8188 @ 0.00103797 = 8.4989 BTC [-]	[11:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 640 @ 0.001 = 0.64 BTC [-]	[11:24]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]	[11:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.99 = 8.91 BTC [-]	[11:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.99 = 6.93 BTC [-]	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0003965 = 5.2338 BTC [+]	[11:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747519 = 4121.2785 BTC [-]	[11:33]
nefario	wow that last one was a big one	[11:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 78500 @ 0.001 = 78.5 BTC	[11:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 2 @ 0.30232322 = 0.6046 BTC [-]	[11:40]
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BTC-Mining	: ▃▃▃	[11:47]
BTC-Mining	I mean...	[11:47]
BTC-Mining	:███	[11:47]
BTC-Mining	Someone expects to be selling a lot of hashing	[11:49]
BTC-Mining	Mircea...	[11:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 3 @ 0.13485739 = 0.4046 BTC [-]	[11:50]
rg	hehe	[11:51]
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mircea_popescu	sup	[11:52]
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rg	arf arf	[11:53]
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nefario	anyone had a look at the front page of the bitcoin subreddit lately http://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	Bitdaytrade.com developer is a genius - he has been able to circumvent the max 21 million bitcoins limit. Now just have to wait 24 hours to withdraw.	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	that ?	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	i don't usually read reddit, it strikes me as about on par with bitcointalk, intellectually.	[11:54]
nefario	Thats the funniest one	[11:55]
Harvey00	So bitdaytrade is up?	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	tesla museum. actually, there's a tesla museum in belgrade, i visited it.	[11:55]
nefario	should be	[11:55]
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nefario	they must have over 21 million coins	[11:55]
Harvey00	So people trading on margin now?	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	BitDayTrade.com operator has already lost 4000BTC before	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	is this really different from bitcoinica ? how ?	[11:56]
nefario	I think it's the same thing	[11:56]
nefario	I don't know really	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	it looks like the same thing.	[11:56]
rg	who is he	[11:56]
rg	oh my god	[11:57]
rg	it is bitcoinica	[11:57]
rg	the bitcoinica src was released	[11:57]
rg	i cant believe someone would attempt such a blatent rip off?!	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	haha is it actually based on the bitcoinica source ?	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	just diff css etc ?	[11:57]
Harvey00	I can't believe this. It's too funny to be true.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	"Over the last two decades cybercrime has matured from the early days of curiosity-driven hackers and pranksters to a fully fledged industry. " fuck compuerworld.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	who do they take themselves for ?	[11:58]
rg	i just emailed him	[11:58]
rg	asking what the fuck	[11:58]
rg	well	[11:58]
rg	more like	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	buncha losers sitting in an office typing up crap nobody reads about things they don;'t understand.	[11:58]
rg	'Is this based on the Bitcoinica trading engine?'	[11:58]
rg	Bitcoinica wasn't even the best engine	[11:58]
rg	to reuse it would be dumb	[11:58]
Harvey00	Short answer: No.	[11:58]
nefario	I don't think so	[11:58]
Harvey00	Long answer: Yeeesssssss	[11:59]
rg	the only reason they had market share was cause htey were the first	[11:59]
nefario	read the other post	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	lol Harvey00	[11:59]
rg	i dont read posts	[11:59]
rg	i email and use IRC	[11:59]
rg	posts can fuck right off	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	rg actually the reason they had market share was cause they had css.	[11:59]
rg	i hate the forum	[11:59]
nefario	seems to be from kronos.io	[11:59]
rg	nefario: eh lets just see what the author says	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	kronos was the thing kludge/owens/etc were working on ?	[11:59]
Harvey00	Well kronos.io is not going to have a good launch now	[11:59]
rg	[james@elephant ~]$ telnet bitdaytrade.com 22	[12:00]
rg	Trying 109.74.193.147...	[12:00]
rg	Connected to bitdaytrade.com.	[12:00]
rg	Escape character is '^]'.	[12:00]
rg	SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu6	[12:00]
rg	AND hosted on linode	[12:00]
nefario	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/yb89v/bitdaytradecom_operator_has_already_lost_4000btc/	[12:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 2 @ 0.33464076 = 0.6693 BTC [-]	[12:00]
rg	you've got to be shitting me	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	ahaha WIN	[12:00]
rg	this is setup EXACTLY like bitcoinica	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	winwinwinwinwinwinwinwin	[12:00]
rg	theres a PPTP VPN on it too	[12:00]
rg	open to the public	[12:00]
Harvey00	Whoa	[12:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 250 @ 0.23990007 = 59.975 BTC [+]	[12:01]
nefario	well sign in there	[12:01]
Harvey00	They actually hosted it on Linode?	[12:01]
Harvey00	Again!?	[12:01]
nefario	and help process that other guys withdrawal	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	linode is solid.	[12:01]
nefario	rock solid	[12:01]
Harvey00	Not in the case of Bitcoinica, eh?	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	gypsum rock solid.	[12:01]
nefario	lol	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 your sarcasm detector is hosed.	[12:01]
rg	nice	[12:01]
rg	not only that	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	did you host it on linode ?	[12:01]
rg	the PPTP implimentation on the host is vulnerable to a bruteforce attack	[12:01]
rg	that allows 200-300 passwords/sec	[12:02]
rg	to be bruteforced	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	password model does nto work for btc finance. end of story, srsly.	[12:02]
rg	debug1: Next authentication method: password	[12:02]
rg	root@109.74.193.147's password:	[12:02]
rg	faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail	[12:02]
Harvey00	It's good to see evolution happen instantly.	[12:02]
Harvey00	This is Darwinism at its finest.	[12:03]
nefario	well	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	problem is nobody says "i lost my btc because i was an imbecile"	[12:03]
nefario	better fail now	[12:03]
nefario	than later	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	everybody blames the vague hacker.	[12:03]
nefario	really?	[12:03]
nefario	I think most blame the operators	[12:03]
Harvey00	while the hacker lives it up on a cruise ship	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[12:04]
Harvey00	I think most people admire the hackers for holding stupidity accountable.	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	in this case of bitcoinica redux on linode tho... wellll...	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	operators kinda should be blamed.	[12:04]
nefario	oh he's commented on the greater than 21million BTC thing	[12:04]
nefario	> Explanation: my friend was able to find a bug, which allowed him to trade his free 0.1 BTC to more than 25 million BTC. After he found out that there is 24 hour waiting time before withdraw, he realized that he might not get that money...	[12:04]
rg	You don't have permission to access /app/admin/ on this server.	[12:04]
rg	woot	[12:04]
rg	found the admin dir	[12:05]
Harvey00	hahaha	[12:05]
Harvey00	Wait	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	lol this is so funny	[12:05]
Harvey00	Are they running the server apps as root?	[12:05]
Harvey00	Are they running as fucking root? lol	[12:05]
nefario	depends	[12:05]
rg	look	[12:05]
nefario	is there a proxy in front?	[12:05]
nefario	if not	[12:05]
*	rg professional pen-tester	[12:05]
nefario	then yes	[12:05]
nefario	it's running as root	[12:05]
rg	give me a few minutes.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	waitwait.	[12:05]
nefario	wait	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	apache runs as root ?	[12:05]
nefario	no	[12:06]
nefario	as user www	[12:06]
rg	apache does run as root	[12:06]
nefario	but at this standard	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	o gtfo	[12:06]
rg	it setuid's to a non priv user	[12:06]
rg	to serve out content	[12:06]
nefario	ah	[12:06]
nefario	my bad	[12:06]
rg	so it just drops privs	[12:06]
rg	for anything important	[12:06]
Harvey00	>apache	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	rg, i'll cut you a deal : for every million btc's you get on the guy;'s site i'll credit you 1 satoshi	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	up to a limit of 10 btc.	[12:07]
Harvey00	WHY WOULD YOU RUN APACHE WITH FINANCIALS	[12:07]
rg	if i find anything	[12:07]
rg	i will be emailing the admin	[12:07]
rg	without saying anything here	[12:07]
rg	but if i find less critical comical shit	[12:07]
rg	i will post it her	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 well ostensibly you havw to talk to a browser at some point.	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	unless you want to do one of those really proprietary systems and have the client code on a rom chip in some purpose-made display thing.	[12:08]
Harvey00	Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.	[12:08]
Harvey00	Reject everything else.	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	that you can.	[12:08]
nefario	nginx FTW	[12:08]
Harvey00	You could even ban IPs that send too many suspicious requests.	[12:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 133819 @ 0.02747269 = 3676.3679 BTC [-]	[12:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.063 BTC [-]	[12:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.05 = 0.1 BTC [-]	[12:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 25 @ 0.05 = 1.25 BTC [-]	[12:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 53 @ 0.99 = 52.47 BTC [-]	[12:12]
rg	[05:08] Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.	[12:12]
rg	not exactly	[12:12]
rg	you should let the client send whatever they want	[12:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00037297 = 18.6485 BTC [-]	[12:13]
rg	its what you do with what they send that counts	[12:13]
rg	i mean	[12:13]
rg	someone can send legitrequest;/bin/sh	[12:13]
rg	obviously you take that and flush it	[12:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.98521 = 11.8225 BTC [-]	[12:13]
rg	blocking bad requests is just security through obscurity	[12:13]
rg	you just need to treat any input from the user as a potentially AIDS infected needle	[12:13]
Harvey00	Well, it's one tool out of many.	[12:13]
rg	meh	[12:14]
Harvey00	http://brucewagner.com/forum	[12:14]
Harvey00	lol	[12:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 46 @ 0.05 = 2.3 BTC [-]	[12:14]
rg	its on the same line as hiding all your windoze boxes behind a firewall	[12:14]
rg	its not really secure	[12:14]
rg	you might not get hacked at first	[12:14]
rg	but eventually a skilled hacker will tear you apart	[12:14]
rg	SO many places... appear secure remotely	[12:14]
rg	but once you get into the 10.x	[12:14]
rg	its a JOKE	[12:14]
nefario	my box	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	you mean 192.x ?	[12:14]
nefario	is so secure	[12:14]
nefario	I can't even use it	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	welcome to bruce wagner's discussion community - after you register, send an email to bruce@brucewagner.com and include your username, in order to join	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	this name is vaguely familiar.	[12:15]
rg	192.168.x is the same as 10.x	[12:15]
nefario	mircea_popescu: most local networks firewall external only	[12:15]
rg	its a reserved subnet	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	is he the gay guy with a youtube show ?	[12:15]
nefario	yes	[12:15]
rg	10.x is a /8, 192.168 is a /16	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	on both counts.	[12:15]
rg	people with huge networks use 10.x	[12:15]
rg	or if you're asian	[12:15]
rg	you just use a real subject	[12:15]
nefario	haha	[12:15]
rg	er	[12:15]
rg	subnet	[12:15]
rg	and dont pay attention to the fact that you can never route to those IPs	[12:16]
rg	ever again	[12:16]
nefario	racist internet	[12:16]
rg	facts, not racism	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	factism.	[12:16]
rg	asians do not believe in reverse DNS	[12:16]
Azelphur	photos of my desk, you want to look at them. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/August/20120816_090349%280%29.jpg	[12:16]
rg	4ward DNS work lar	[12:16]
rg	r	[12:16]
rg	no for need to reverse DNS	[12:16]
rg	kekekeke	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur add gf tits.	[12:16]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: lol	[12:16]
rg	dishonorable hacker no find server	[12:16]
rg	reerse DNS	[12:16]
rg	kekekek	[12:17]
rg	lar	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	dishonorable hacker ahaha	[12:17]
MoneyIsDebt	Azelphur: Zoom in. Enhance.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	somebody set us up the trojan	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	no wonder he writes python, he's got one of those keyboards.	[12:18]
Azelphur	MoneyIsDebt: :P	[12:18]
MoneyIsDebt	I started coding python because I'm a monty python fan.	[12:18]
Azelphur	4 x 2560x1440 monitors there :D	[12:18]
MoneyIsDebt	As good a reason as any....	[12:18]
Azelphur	MoneyIsDebt: love me some python :)	[12:18]
MoneyIsDebt	import ni;	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	Don't I look great... when my picture is this small...	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	You've (almost certainly inadvertently) stumbled upon my contact page... Aren't you lucky! :) You might know me from one of my venues, but feel free to roam around and explore some of the other things I'm into as well. And, of course, please don't hesitate to contact me. I'm very friendly, and I rarely bite (hard)...	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	people need better elevator speeches srsly.	[12:19]
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mircea_popescu	Who the hell is Bruce Wagner?	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	Bruce Wagner is a Hollywood film producer, an American novelist, actor, screenwriter, and director, known for his acerbic view of the Hollywood entertainment industry.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	so basically he's a stripper ?	[12:19]
Harvey00	Yes	[12:20]
Harvey00	A Bitcoin stripper	[12:20]
Harvey00	who advertises MyBitcoin	[12:21]
Harvey00	and lets everybody lose their money on it	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	ok this is too funny. some guy's name actually is Shtylman ?!	[12:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0301 = 3.0903 BTC [-]	[12:23]
Harvey00	Okay confirmed	[12:24]
Harvey00	The wild trades are from BitDayTrade	[12:24]
Harvey00	and they are probably broke already	[12:24]
nefario	what wild trades?	[12:25]
Harvey00	The 50 BTC 1 minute orders and sells	[12:25]
Harvey00	BitDayTrade is done.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	o that's what it was ?	[12:25]
nefario	oh	[12:26]
nefario	ahah	[12:26]
nefario	I thought it was something else	[12:26]
Harvey00	Don't put no more than .01 BTC in there.	[12:26]
rg	fuck i want mybitcoin.com	[12:26]
rg	so badly	[12:26]
nefario	how much did they amount to	[12:26]
Harvey00	They are probably still sleeping	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 but i mean if they sold btc they got usd nao, why'd they be broke ?	[12:26]
Harvey00	Because they have obligations to the snot nosed traders wrecking the system.	[12:27]
BTC-Mining	Broke? Done? With so many gullible depositors, are you sure it's not planned? Why, seeing how easy it is to setup something insecure, why not do that and run with the money right away?	[12:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1207 BTC [+]	[12:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.0003965 = 18.4373 BTC [+]	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	o i c what you mean.	[12:28]
BTC-Mining	No more is the need for ??? steps between profit	[12:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00037297 = 3.767 BTC [-]	[12:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7261 @ 0.00034723 = 2.5212 BTC [-]	[12:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22639 @ 0.00033437 = 7.5698 BTC [-]	[12:28]
BTC-Mining	1. Bitcoinica > 2. Profit > 3. Bitdaytrade > 4. Profit > 5. etcetcetc	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	lol BTC-Mining 1. profit 2. profit 3. profit.	[12:28]
BTC-Mining	With such anonymity and bad security chained wallets/trading platforms...	[12:29]
BTC-Mining	How easy would it be to change name each time and create a "new" wallet/trading platform? Leave it completly unsecure in all appearance.	[12:30]
BTC-Mining	Blame a hack, run with money, create a new?	[12:30]
Harvey00	People will eventually get standards	[12:30]
BTC-Mining	They would have needed that last year	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	we have standards. wot. gpg. etc.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SsavHX6tc&feature=player_embedded	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	this thing is pure comedy.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	we don't need standards as much as we need better hats	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.03 = 25.75 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.0202 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.02 = 25.5 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 19 @ 1.011 = 19.209 BTC [-]	[12:32]
nefario	oh dear	[12:33]
nefario	news is getting to shareholders	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	glbse is slow. now i can't check up wth bdt is.	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	BitDayTrade Fixed Interest Bond 3% Week a ok.	[12:35]
rg	mircea	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	The funds raised from issuing these bonds will be used for the development of the issuer's margin trading platformhttps://bitdaytrade.com/	[12:36]
rg	tell that asshole nefario to drop the portugal host	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty cool. can i short them ? :D	[12:36]
rg	that all the boxes tunnel to	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	i thoughty you hosted him ?	[12:36]
rg	we do	[12:36]
rg	but it all tunnels to a host in portugal	[12:36]
rg	so its only as strong as its weakest link	[12:36]
BTC-Mining	Well, if they actually worked on it... IT MIGHT be secure, but appear completly unsecure. All depends on what's done on the background.	[12:36]
BTC-Mining	But honestly, I doubt that.	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining that sounds like something from the "trust me i know what i'm doing" comicbook	[12:37]
rg	so	[12:37]
rg	this guy in -otc starts chatting	[12:37]
rg	come to find out	[12:37]
BTC-Mining	Would be better to have obfuscation for the sake of not attracting bad traffic too	[12:37]
rg	hes the owner of a site we use every day	[12:37]
nefario	rg	[12:37]
nefario	you be full of shieeeeet	[12:38]
rg	we = my household	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	what site be that ?	[12:38]
nefario	GLBSE is not in portugal	[12:38]
rg	nzbsrus	[12:38]
nefario	.... anymore	[12:38]
rg	nefario: its still slow and its not in portugal?	[12:38]
rg	that's horrible	[12:38]
nefario	it's slow because we've got a shitonne of bots	[12:38]
nefario	was recently sped up	[12:38]
rg	so	[12:38]
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nefario	will be more soon as well	[12:39]
rg	lets upgrade you to a dual E5	[12:39]
rg	with 128GB ram	[12:39]
rg	LSI 9260 raid controller	[12:39]
BTC-Mining	So who's that guy in otc? What's his website?	[12:39]
rg	with 4x1TB RE4 disks	[12:39]
rg	that's what cal2.vm.bitvps.com is	[12:39]
rg	you could partition it out into your whole infrastructure	[12:39]
rg	and the nice thing about a box like that is .. you grow into it	[12:39]
rg	you need another machine? you provision it	[12:40]
rg	no contacting the data center	[12:40]
rg	no stupid shit	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	i like rg's salesmanship.	[12:40]
rg	you basically hold all the keys	[12:40]
rg	mircea_popescu: dude i hate to admit it, i am a great salesman	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	are you in ny rg ?	[12:40]
rg	mircea_popescu: close, MA	[12:40]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.95 = 2.85 BTC [-]	[12:41]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]	[12:43]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0111 = 3.0333 BTC [+]	[12:45]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 21 @ 1.011 = 21.231 BTC [-]	[12:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1.01 = 6.06 BTC [-]	[12:46]
Harvey00	BitVPS is clearly one of the best things to invest in.	[12:46]
Harvey00	rg is just too awesome for his own good	[12:46]
BTC-Mining	I don't invest in it but I've done some small work from time to time for rg	[12:47]
BTC-Mining	If I work for it, maybe it would make sense to invest in it eh	[12:47]
Harvey00	Yeah, as Marx said, the workers should own their means of production. ; )	[12:48]
rg	BTC-Mining is my go-to	[12:48]
rg	for anything web related	[12:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0101 = 3.0303 BTC [+]	[12:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1.01 = 4.04 BTC [-]	[12:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [-]	[12:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 12 @ 1 = 12 BTC [-]	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	Harvey00 so buy his shares	[12:49]
BTC-Mining	I wouldn't recommend server setup/security however, or advancing scripting (web development)	[12:49]
BTC-Mining	advanced coding*	[12:49]
BTC-Mining	I don't know much about that. I can help for almost anything else.	[12:50]
BTC-Mining	or learn it on the fly =/	[12:51]
rg	you need some CSS/PHP/HTML done? BTC-Mining is your guy	[12:51]
rg	i think he did everything for bitvps	[12:52]
rg	wait.. btc-mining, did you do the currnet bitvps.com template?	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	he killed my auntie!	[12:52]
BTC-Mining	Eh, not quite	[12:52]
rg	i think it was some random guy	[12:52]
rg	he translated it from a static HTML template to wordpress	[12:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 13 @ 1 = 13 BTC [-]	[12:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 35 @ 1 = 35 BTC [-]	[12:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]	[12:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]	[12:52]
rg	(which btc-mining can do as well)	[12:52]
rg	lol BDT is fucked	[12:52]
rg	every last trade has been a -	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[12:52]
rg	!ticker bdt	[12:52]
assbot	[GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 1] [Ask: 1.06979999] [Spread: 0.06979999] [Last: 1] [24hVol: 194.66369993] [7dAvg: 1.04599856]	[12:52]
BTC-Mining	I vaguely integrated the Wordpress template for Bitvps to plain html/css to frame around bitvps's WHMCS client area	[12:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7205 @ 0.00100069 = 7.21 BTC [+]	[12:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2795 @ 0.00111824 = 3.1255 BTC [+]	[12:53]
rg	yeah	[12:53]
rg	i forget who did the original template	[12:53]
rg	i dont even think he exists anymore	[12:53]
BTC-Mining	...	[12:54]
rg	btc-mining: get ready	[12:54]
rg	soon youll have to do http://wallet.bitvps.com	[12:54]
BTC-Mining	Sounds good =/	[12:54]
rg	and its gonna be a HUGE pain in the ass	[12:54]
rg	:)	[12:54]
rg	check index.php's CSS	[12:54]
rg		[12:54]
mircea_popescu	lol rg rubbed off his prev designer.	[12:54]
BTC-Mining	Why would it now?	[12:54]
rg	btc-mining: cause its your favorite, wordpress	[12:55]
rg	:)	[12:55]
BTC-Mining	I hate CMS	[12:55]
BTC-Mining	Unless it's barebone PHP	[12:55]
BTC-Mining	As in PHP sepatates the template from the page	[12:55]
rg	http://wallet.bitvps.com/wp-content/themes/Karma/style.css	[12:55]
BTC-Mining	separates*	[12:55]
Harvey00	CMS pisses me off	[12:55]
Harvey00	I always end up going to notepad in the end	[12:56]
BTC-Mining	You still need a barebone CMS	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	jesus god wagner is hitting on the bitfloor kid on the show	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	WHAT THE FUCK	[12:56]
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BTC-Mining	Acka a dynamic page containing the template and loading the content.	[12:56]
rg	ha	[12:56]
rg	hes asian isnt he	[12:56]
Harvey00	Wagner always has a rape face.	[12:56]
rg	bruce LOVES the thai lady boys	[12:56]
rg	remember when thye found his posts on the thai ladyboy website?	[12:57]
BTC-Mining	You don't need the CMS tho, unless you can't code/place elements for each subpage	[12:57]
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mircea_popescu	no lol.	[12:57]
rg	i love wordpress	[12:57]
rg	its just too easy	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	"i love btifloor, simplicity. less is more"	[12:57]
rg	http://wallet.bitvps.com/?page_id=5017	[12:57]
rg	ugh	[12:57]
rg	search bar	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	and im thinking yeah, it has the volume of a lithe 15 yo anorexic. less is more!	[12:58]
rg	i need to axe that	[12:58]
BTC-Mining	Well in any case, goodbye, I'm off for the day	[12:58]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]	[13:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00111824 = 1.6774 BTC [+]	[13:14]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]	[13:16]
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Harvey00	Guys BitDayTrade's passwords and email are out in the open	[13:30]
Harvey00	Do not do business there	[13:31]
Harvey00	or you are in for a bad time	[13:31]
rg	lol.	[13:31]
rg	that is not a surprise	[13:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 550 @ 0.00378408 = 2.0812 BTC [+]	[13:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 39 @ 0.0037982 = 0.1481 BTC [+]	[13:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 711 @ 0.0037991 = 2.7012 BTC [+]	[13:31]
rg	we were just talking about how poorly setup it is	[13:32]
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DeaDTerra	wow	[13:37]
DeaDTerra	they already got hacked?	[13:37]
DeaDTerra	as soon as I get somewhere to hedge they get hacked xD	[13:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.3901 BTC [-]	[13:41]
farfi	yeah sad	[13:43]
DeaDTerra	http://www.casascius.com/	[13:45]
DeaDTerra	donw for you guys as well?`	[13:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00038921 = 15.7241 BTC [+]	[13:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0011 = 3.0033 BTC [+]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 1.001 = 50.05 BTC [-]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9999 = 2.9997 BTC [+]	[13:48]
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rg	DeaDTerra: be glad you figured it out now	[13:51]
rg	not after you had 1+ BTC in there	[13:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5820 @ 0.00038921 = 2.2652 BTC [+]	[13:51]
dub	who is behind that?	[13:58]
usagi	Unsalted md5 passwords. What the fuck?	[14:00]
usagi	Guys	[14:00]
usagi	You know that when you hear that	[14:00]
usagi	it was a setup, right?	[14:00]
usagi	When you hear "unsalted md5 passwords" it is THIS CLOSE to criminal negligence	[14:00]
usagi	Who wrote this shit	[14:01]
usagi	I am designing a system right now where the user passwords encrypt their data individually , so that even if someone breaks into the system they can't do anything to the user accounts.	[14:01]
usagi	It uses a two-part in-memory-only salt which means the system can't be brought up unless two people are logged in to type the salts at the same time	[14:02]
usagi	Who uses unsalted md5 hashes?	[14:02]
dub	diablo's blog is down as well	[14:03]
dub	CONSPIRACY	[14:03]
DeaDTerra	well this fucking sucks xD	[14:05]
DeaDTerra	rallying prices, bearish GLBSE market and decrease in payouts from Pirate. With no way to hedge against the price increase, how the fuck am I going to be able to make a profit now...	[14:06]
farfi	there are 3 choices- pirate- mining "turds"- and business's that never seem to work out....	[14:07]
usagi	DeaDTerra; Roll your fund into NYAN and work for me.	[14:08]
rg	buy bitvps shares	[14:11]
rg	if you actually own a decent amount of shares	[14:11]
rg	you will get a decent payout	[14:12]
DeaDTerra	Right now the GLBSE market is looking shit.	[14:12]
DeaDTerra	We have pirate which seems to be crashing, we have mining bonds that are crashing and we have mining operations which also are crashing.	[14:12]
DeaDTerra	then we have Rebate and such projects which all get hacked and fail...	[14:12]
DeaDTerra	fml	[14:12]
farfi	out of all the options pirate has been the most reliable :)	[14:13]
usagi	I have so many bitvps shares that it pays for my hosting.	[14:14]
leotreasure	i'm considering starting a Bitcoin based banking operation	[14:17]
leotreasure	based in Australia initially	[14:17]
leotreasure	just reading up on legislative requirements	[14:17]
leotreasure	looks like i need to raise $50m	[14:18]
leotreasure	tier 1 capital	[14:19]
farfi	only x50 than Diablo	[14:22]
leotreasure	i'm thinking maybe just try to raise 10m on the assumption that prices will continue to rise	[14:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14513 @ 0.00035471 = 5.1479 BTC [-]	[14:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113 @ 0.00033437 = 0.0378 BTC [-]	[14:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0003284 = 9.0967 BTC [-]	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	DeaDTerra what are you hedging ?	[14:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 89 @ 0.1010023 = 8.9892 BTC [-]	[14:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.101001 = 1.818 BTC [-]	[14:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 91 @ 0.101 = 9.191 BTC [-]	[14:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9909 @ 0.00109698 = 10.87 BTC [-]	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	farfi : actually, there's mpoe shares, mpoe bonds, there's the new cdo	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	there's btc/usd options, there's the hash options, there's tons of stuff.	[14:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	DeaDTerra try mpoe.etf, the only glbse asset going up.	[14:31]
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rg	dont forget S.BVPS	[14:32]
rg	paid out 55.5 BTC in divs last month!	[14:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [-]	[14:33]
rg	;;ticker	[14:33]
gribble	Best bid: 13.28999, Best ask: 13.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.29, 24 hour volume: 113814, 24 hour low: 12.39995, 24 hour high: 13.84119	[14:33]
rg	;;calc 55.5 * 13.28	[14:33]
gribble	737.04	[14:33]
rg	just sayin ;)	[14:33]
farfi	mircea_popescu: mpoe stuff? you mean on MPEX?	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	well there's a share-holding etf on glbse	[14:34]
farfi	hehe no way.... I was blinded last time I looked at the site...	[14:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 339 @ 0.0037991 = 1.2879 BTC [+]	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	if you're in this for aesthetic reasons you should prolly try porn sites.	[14:34]
dub	which mircea_popescu can also help you with	[14:35]
farfi	:)	[14:35]
dub	along with spam\|scam\|devilworship\|luke-jr stuff	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	im just sick of pretty css + unhashed md5 passwords, and people STILL go for it.	[14:35]
dub	according to ciucui anyway	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	i don't worship the devil	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	the devil worships me.	[14:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]	[14:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747022 = 4120.533 BTC [-]	[14:36]
rg	i wonder if this new customer i got	[14:37]
rg	would be interested in opening an asset	[14:37]
rg	theyre a very big site	[14:37]
rg	most of their customers were USD tho	[14:37]
rg	paypal fucked em	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	so ask em.	[14:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	whoa 20k sale on mtgox and the price held.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	we're going to 15.	[14:38]
rg	$18k to $14	[14:38]
usagi	At $15 if I cash out	[14:42]
usagi	I tripled my money	[14:42]
usagi	Hmm!	[14:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0001 = 3.0003 BTC [+]	[14:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [-]	[14:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 50000 @ 0.001 = 50 BTC	[14:42]
usagi	mircea do you have a yubikey?	[14:42]
usagi	my system is getting better now	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[14:42]
usagi	We will be giving free yubikeys to our users.	[14:43]
DeaDTerra	Mircea, I am hedging against the increase of Bitcoin price ofc	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	then buy options neh ?	[14:45]
Harvey00	usagi, what masterpiece do you have now that requires yubikeys?	[14:46]
usagi	I showed it to you	[14:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1005 = 0.5025 BTC [-]	[14:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[14:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [-]	[14:46]
Harvey00	Ah, well, I'm still perplexed.	[14:46]
Harvey00	You told me SECRET	[14:46]
usagi	I'm working on a non-yubikey + password and/or google auth login	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	yubikeys are pretty much application independent neh ?	[14:46]
usagi	then it will be open to the public	[14:46]
DeaDTerra	where and how can I but these options?	[14:46]
DeaDTerra	I have been buying futures on icbit.se but it's very low volume :(	[14:47]
Harvey00	Things will make sense in good time I suppose	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	DeaDTerra --> http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	its very high volume.	[14:48]
usagi	I need some data for yubikeys which is not publicly available right now	[14:48]
usagi	it is the last missing link in my software	[14:48]
usagi	Once I get it... boom	[14:48]
Harvey00	After Meni Rosenfield force buybacks my POLY.10.1 I'll be on MPEX	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	what's poly10.1 ?	[14:48]
Harvey00	Basically you use it to long bitcoins.	[14:49]
Harvey00	I've already doubled some of my Bitcoins on it.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	aha	[14:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 350 @ 0.00381824 = 1.3364 BTC [+]	[14:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 531 @ 0.00382842 = 2.0329 BTC [+]	[14:49]
Harvey00	All I can say is that Meni Rosenfield has a lot of money.	[14:49]
Harvey00	...and call me racist but he's a Jewish financial wizard.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	i imagined it was a girl.	[14:50]
Harvey00	Nah. He's just an Israeli with a weird name.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	he pissed me off once by reusing some asset contract and pretending he came up with it or something	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	i dun recall.	[14:51]
Harvey00	That's why I love the man.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.43 BTC [-]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.44 = 5.76 BTC [+]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YARR] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	so annoying that you can't short glbse assets.	[14:52]
usagi	The problem is to short something, someone else has to loan you shares.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	that's why you have marketmakers.	[14:54]
usagi	Exactly.	[14:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]	[14:55]
DeaDTerra	I might buy some options, though I need to read up on how your system works firs	[14:55]
DeaDTerra	first*	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.0000998 = 14.97 BTC [-]	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	ask away.	[14:55]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YARR] 50 @ 1.45 = 72.5 BTC [+]	[14:56]
DeaDTerra	there are tons of different options what's the difference betwhen them?	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 21 @ 0.02939266 = 0.6172 BTC [+]	[14:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 22 @ 0.02660151 = 0.5852 BTC [-]	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	strike price mostly	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	also T are for this month and N for next	[14:57]
DeaDTerra	so it's month to month based?	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	yes, all options expire on the last friday of a given month	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	you ever used options before ?	[14:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9871 = 3.9484 BTC [-]	[14:58]
DeaDTerra	No, I have used futures and levarage/margin trading only	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	a ok. lemme fish a link for you.	[14:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4449 @ 0.00032653 = 1.4527 BTC [-]	[14:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 7 @ 0.118 = 0.826 BTC [+]	[14:59]
DeaDTerra	oki thanks :)	[15:00]
Harvey00	I think we are going to hit 15 today	[15:02]
DeaDTerra	why can't this bubble pop ;(	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	DeaDTerra https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67302.0	[15:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 397 @ 0.00382842 = 1.5199 BTC [+]	[15:03]
DeaDTerra	thank you	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	hmmm	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	In June, 2012, a team of computer scientists claimed to have developed a method of quickly extracting the secret key generated by several RSA dongles including the SecurID 800. Calling themselves "Team Prosecco," the group published a research paper documenting their findings which they plan to present at a cryptography conference in August, 2012.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if this be the end of dongles like yubikei.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/computer-scientists-break-security-token-key-in-record-time/	[15:04]
rg	that's misleading	[15:04]
rg	i believe that's the research that depended on a compromised system	[15:05]
rg	to get in	[15:05]
rg	if a system was already compromised, rsa isnt going to do much	[15:05]
Harvey00	DeaDTerra: I made over 100 Bitcoins betting over 1000 Bitcoins it wouldn't pop below $10. ; )	[15:05]
Harvey00	Worst bet ever but I won.	[15:05]
rg	s/worst/most dangerous/	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	nope rg, that'd be a diff thing	[15:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.987 = 9.87 BTC [-]	[15:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 0.98521 = 5.9113 BTC [-]	[15:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.98511 = 2.9553 BTC [-]	[15:09]
DeaDTerra	okay so what do I do if I want to open a long position for 100 BTc?	[15:09]
DeaDTerra	first of I need a account on MPOE right?	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	well if you have an account you deposit the btc and issue a buy order.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	if you don't have an acct you have to find a broker	[15:10]
DeaDTerra	a buy order, for which contract/asset	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	well, whichever you pick. if you expect the price to go up you eiother buy a long call or sell a put	[15:11]
DeaDTerra	and is the email thing still valid or is it done over MPOE?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	that 1st post there is stale by now, things changed. i mostly gave you the link for the following posts, with the various hedging stratefgies	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	since it goes into a lot of detail.	[15:11]
DeaDTerra	okay, I will go read all of this and do some additional research and I will get back to you :)	[15:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.98511 = 15.7618 BTC [-]	[15:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.9851 = 8.8659 BTC [-]	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	not something to be rushed into, you know. complex financial instruments.	[15:12]
Harvey00	Hint: He's not interested.	[15:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.9851 = 15.7616 BTC [-]	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	lol why teh hate	[15:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.985 = 4.925 BTC [-]	[15:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.982 BTC [-]	[15:13]
DeaDTerra	I am interested	[15:13]
DeaDTerra	I just feel like this is something I should research as I need to know what I am getting into	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	you should research it.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	and you should also test your understanding with small trades first.	[15:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.98 = 19.6 BTC [-]	[15:13]
DeaDTerra	and it seems quite complex, but it's probably something I will end up investing in as I need to be able to long, as the increase in price is having a huge effect on GBF	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	don't run in there and get raped.	[15:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	http://www.oftwominds.com/blogapril12/when-money-vanishes4-12.html kinda good read.	[15:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]	[15:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4991 @ 0.00109698 = 5.475 BTC [-]	[15:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.971 = 2.913 BTC [-]	[15:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 6 @ 1.4 = 8.4 BTC [-]	[15:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.04 = 4.16 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.026 = 6.156 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]	[15:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.98 = 4.9 BTC [+]	[15:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P070N] 10 @ 0.05061451 = 0.5061 BTC [-]	[15:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 3 @ 1.10000001 = 3.3 BTC [-]	[15:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.6309 = 5.0472 BTC [-]	[15:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 25 @ 0.1 = 2.5 BTC [-]	[15:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-]	[15:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.099 = 0.495 BTC [-]	[15:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-]	[15:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.65001 = 2.6 BTC [-]	[15:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]	[15:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]	[15:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.6501 = 2.6004 BTC [+]	[15:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 10 @ 0.92608283 = 9.2608 BTC [-]	[15:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.8659938 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.85628426 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 37 @ 0.84916565 = 31.4191 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 14 @ 0.02660151 = 0.3724 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 36 @ 0.02454581 = 0.8836 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 23 @ 0.01521074 = 0.3498 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 1 @ 0.78380747 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 56 @ 0.77224847 = 43.2459 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 31 @ 0.92608283 = 28.7086 BTC [-]	[15:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 23 @ 0.03353078 = 0.7712 BTC [-]	[15:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96010013 = 2.8803 BTC [-]	[15:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 0.96000013 = 5.76 BTC [-]	[15:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	i see bdt is doing well.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	anyone interview kludge yet ?	[15:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.459 BTC [-]	[16:01]
DeaDTerra	It's due to the security concerns :8	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	well yea.	[16:03]
rg	i told i told you guys to buy s.bvps...	[16:06]
rg	thought*	[16:06]
rg	moar!	[16:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 80 @ 0.98 = 78.4 BTC [+]	[16:08]
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rg	lol	[16:11]
rg	people will give their money to anything	[16:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1151 = 1.7265 BTC [-]	[16:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]	[16:11]
usagi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101044.0	[16:13]
usagi	everyone please read this	[16:13]
usagi	and comment	[16:13]
usagi	I feel this is important.	[16:13]
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rg	lets just seee	[16:15]
rg	i dunno usagi	[16:18]
rg	do you think its fair to scrutinize other people like that .. i mean.. the #2 highest volume asset on glbse has NOTHING verified	[16:19]
rg	you think its fair to demand something of another asset when so many dont ask it from the #2 top highest volume	[16:20]
rg	or do you think the people who are perpetrating this scam are seeing that	[16:20]
rg	and wanting to exploit it	[16:20]
rg	personally	[16:20]
rg	i agree with you	[16:20]
rg	fuck em	[16:20]
rg	they should ALL provide ID	[16:20]
rg	imo	[16:20]
rg	at least photo ID/ Email	[16:21]
rg	but	[16:22]
rg	if i were a scammer	[16:22]
rg	and i were them	[16:22]
rg	id argue that point	[16:22]
rg	why them?	[16:22]
nefario	It's a new asset	[16:22]
usagi	Yes it's a new asset	[16:22]
usagi	And "from this day forth" I believe, I really do believe	[16:22]
usagi	we need higher standards.	[16:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3903 = 0.7806 BTC [+]	[16:23]
rg	talk to nefario	[16:23]
rg	he should put a vote to the users	[16:23]
usagi	I said my peace	[16:23]
usagi	already :)	[16:23]
usagi	nefario knows what I want.	[16:23]
nefario	usagi has already talked to me about this asset	[16:23]
rg	we could probably force him	[16:23]
nefario	I told him to voice his converns on the forums	[16:23]
rg	nefario: we could probably force yuo	[16:23]
rg	i just voiced mine	[16:26]
rg	on that thread	[16:26]
usagi	rg's idea is excellent	[16:27]
usagi	Tiers!	[16:27]
*	abracadabopoulos is now known as abracadabra	[16:27]
rg	=)	[16:27]
rg	yep	[16:27]
usagi	Well, that ties in with tiered accounts which I mentioned to you already Nefario	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00033366 = 7.2071 BTC [+]	[16:28]
rg	well	[16:28]
rg	now that its out there	[16:28]
rg	people can either agree or disagree	[16:28]
rg	and we can go from there	[16:28]
rg	if people want a change, it should change	[16:28]
rg	more safety for glbse users == more money in glbse == more trading == more fees == nefario becomes Nefario Dotcom and buys mansion in NZ	[16:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2700 @ 0.00108128 = 2.9195 BTC [-]	[16:30]
usagi	Lol Nefario Dotcom	[16:30]
rg	lol	[16:30]
rg	tell us nefario	[16:30]
rg	do you own any nefario.tld type domains	[16:30]
rg	i bet he does	[16:31]
copumpkin	nefar.io	[16:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10751 @ 0.00033014 = 3.5493 BTC [-]	[16:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00032439 = 0.8593 BTC [-]	[16:32]
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rg	Domain "NEFAR.IO" - Available	[16:33]
rg	To purchase please go to http://www.nic.io/	[16:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [-]	[16:34]
rg	MPEX should have a GLBSE assetr	[16:35]
rg	so each exchange has the others asset	[16:35]
rg	and also	[16:38]
rg	glbse needs a lil textbox at the top of the markets page	[16:38]
rg	where you can start typing an asset	[16:38]
rg	and it pops up and has a check box next to it	[16:38]
rg	so you select one	[16:38]
rg	start typuing another	[16:38]
rg	until you have all the assets you want to vew	[16:38]
rg	and then it displays them all on the same page	[16:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00379232 = 0.7585 BTC [-]	[16:38]
rg	and you can save your vies	[16:38]
rg	views*	[16:38]
rg	to manage different groups of assets	[16:39]
rg	on different pages	[16:39]
rg	like one page is shitty loser miner bonds	[16:39]
rg	the next page is legit sweet IPOs like bitvps	[16:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6909 @ 0.00108128 = 7.4706 BTC [-]	[16:39]
rg	and then the next page is when we integrate MPEX with GLBSE so you can do options	[16:39]
rg	so if you could get on that	[16:40]
rg	that'd be great	[16:40]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.9999 = 7.9992 BTC [+]	[16:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 1 = 11 BTC [+]	[16:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 1 = 9 BTC [+]	[16:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 1.005 = 20.1 BTC [+]	[16:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 1.0058 = 30.174 BTC [+]	[16:46]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [YABIF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]	[16:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00033366 = 2.369 BTC [+]	[16:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.10435 = 1.774 BTC [+]	[16:51]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.9399 = 2.8197 BTC [+]	[17:00]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [CBGB] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]	[17:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00032711 = 6.9347 BTC [-]	[17:08]
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smickles	< DeaDTerra> first of I need a account on MPOE right? <<< or a broker	[17:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1031 BTC [-]	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4768 @ 0.00109882 = 5.2392 BTC [+]	[17:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [-]	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02701 = 2.054 BTC [+]	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.027 = 6.162 BTC [-]	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 37 @ 1.026 = 37.962 BTC [-]	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [-]	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.1407 = 2.1105 BTC [-]	[17:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 23 @ 0.1406 = 3.2338 BTC [-]	[17:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.4999 = 3.9992 BTC [+]	[17:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 55 @ 0.5 = 27.5 BTC [+]	[17:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 27 @ 0.51 = 13.77 BTC [+]	[17:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 15 @ 0.0999 = 1.4985 BTC [-]	[17:19]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]	[17:23]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 11 @ 0.51 = 5.61 BTC [+]	[17:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8612 BTC [+]	[17:24]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]	[17:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]	[17:26]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.14050001 BTC [-]	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5332 @ 0.00111255 = 5.9321 BTC [+]	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4244 @ 0.0010947 = 4.6459 BTC [-]	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4460 @ 0.00106247 = 4.7386 BTC [-]	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120N] 2 @ 0.2153441 = 0.4307 BTC [-]	[17:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.6309 BTC [-]	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00033366 = 12.946 BTC [+]	[17:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.98270001 = 3.9308 BTC [-]	[17:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.51408 = 1.5422 BTC [+]	[17:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.51418 = 2.0567 BTC [+]	[17:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.069 BTC [+]	[17:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.122 = 2.44 BTC [+]	[17:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIPPT] 2 @ 1.1 = 2.2 BTC [+]	[17:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]	[17:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [+]	[17:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00034102 = 15.8233 BTC [+]	[17:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.05026751 = 0.5027 BTC [+]	[17:41]
JWU_42	DMC now at .07	[17:42]
*	JWU_42 facepalms	[17:42]
farfi	was 0.2	[17:43]
farfi	0.02 :)	[17:43]
JWU_42	ah	[17:43]
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JWU_42	a rally	[17:43]
JWU_42	;)	[17:43]
Chaaaang-Noi	.07 oh lol	[17:43]
farfi	can make some nice money even on those	[17:43]
Chaaaang-Noi	it almost doubled!!! :)	[17:43]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [-]	[17:44]
farfi	bought at 0.03 sold at 0.05 was happy!	[17:44]
farfi	all in a few hours	[17:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]	[17:44]
Chaaaang-Noi	lol, good job	[17:44]
Chaaaang-Noi	sorry for the suckers who bought at .05 though, lol	[17:44]
farfi	somebody said the same to me when i bought @ 0.03 :)	[17:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [+]	[17:46]
Chaaaang-Noi	:)	[17:46]
Chaaaang-Noi	great fools! :)	[17:46]
Chaaaang-Noi	greater*	[17:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 3 @ 0.07799999 = 0.234 BTC [+]	[17:46]
Chaaaang-Noi	they are good to find:)	[17:47]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9399 BTC [+]	[17:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]	[17:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.02000001 BTC [-]	[17:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02 = 2.04 BTC [-]	[17:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [-]	[17:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [+]	[17:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]	[17:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00034102 = 5.5245 BTC [+]	[17:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51408 = 1.0282 BTC [-]	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3211 @ 0.00034205 = 1.0983 BTC [+]	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45189 @ 0.00034216 = 15.4619 BTC [+]	[17:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]	[18:00]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.074 BTC [-]	[18:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 2 @ 0.39001013 = 0.78 BTC [+]	[18:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.1389 = 0.4167 BTC [-]	[18:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [-]	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i still haven't fully grasped what the story with dmc is	[18:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-]	[18:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FZB.A] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [-]	[18:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]	[18:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]	[18:06]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.02 = 0.66 BTC [-]	[18:11]
rg	its a secret apparentl	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[18:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [-]	[18:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1179 = 1.7685 BTC [+]	[18:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PGM] 4 @ 0.00011 = 0.0004 BTC [-]	[18:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[18:16]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [+]	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21430 @ 0.00034216 = 7.3325 BTC [+]	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20670 @ 0.00034243 = 7.078 BTC [+]	[18:18]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.93 BTC [-]	[18:24]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 1.72 BTC [+]	[18:25]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 1.118 BTC [+]	[18:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 2 @ 1.119 = 2.238 BTC [+]	[18:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 17 @ 0.118 = 2.006 BTC [-]	[18:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1031 = 1.5465 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.103 = 2.06 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1025 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1001 = 2.002 BTC [-]	[18:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [-]	[18:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [-]	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theage.com.au/world/assange-wins-asylum-20120816-24bs4.html ahaha	[18:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.90000001 BTC [-]	[18:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 49 @ 0.9 = 44.1 BTC [-]	[18:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00033919 = 20.4192 BTC [-]	[18:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 642 @ 0.00033431 = 0.2146 BTC [-]	[18:40]
DeaDTerra	anyone want to buy asicminer shares? ^^ I am also selling some other assets, have a look at my portfolio and see if there's anything you want :) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq6Ug2ODt-l2dC13WldWaTBWQVNYZWRwVDgtQmhzUkE#gid=0	[18:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 12 @ 0.9999 = 11.9988 BTC [-]	[18:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22130 @ 0.00034243 = 7.578 BTC [+]	[18:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.000343 = 2.5039 BTC [+]	[18:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00034969 = 3.2871 BTC [+]	[18:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00035038 = 0.4099 BTC [+]	[18:43]
usagi	YARR paid :)	[18:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[18:50]
Chaaaang-Noi	yarrrr!	[18:52]
Chaaaang-Noi	yeah about assange i loled hard	[18:52]
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Chaaaang-Noi	ecudaor is trolling the western world lulz	[18:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00106827 = 5.555 BTC [+]	[18:55]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[18:57]
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Chaaaang-Noi	gigamining at 1 btc wow	[19:00]
blazing	i wonder if it will go up again	[19:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.122 = 1.22 BTC [+]	[19:02]
JWU_42	hard to say	[19:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.114 BTC [-]	[19:04]
JWU_42	YABMC remains low - but nothing announced RE ASIC	[19:04]
JWU_42	still waiting	[19:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [-]	[19:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]	[19:06]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 4 @ 0.4001 = 1.6004 BTC [-]	[19:09]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 34 @ 0.4 = 13.6 BTC [-]	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	possibly not.	[19:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.459 = 2.918 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2640 @ 0.00106247 = 2.8049 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 16175 @ 0.001 = 16.175 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18354 @ 0.00099981 = 18.3505 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8838 @ 0.00099782 = 8.8187 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3993 @ 0.00099389 = 3.9686 BTC [-]	[19:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [+]	[19:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 100 @ 0.00988 = 0.988 BTC [+]	[19:12]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.0099 = 0.0792 BTC [+]	[19:13]
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Chaaaang-Noi	13$ is well high	[19:17]
Chaaaang-Noi	easy to buy your own asic	[19:17]
Chaaaang-Noi	thats what i did, why buy when btc is at $5 for asic, wait until its $25 in nov then buy lol	[19:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]	[19:18]
Chaaaang-Noi	even if i pay double in usd i still get 2 times as much	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11555 @ 0.00099389 = 11.4844 BTC [-]	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 445 @ 0.00097641 = 0.4345 BTC [-]	[19:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]	[19:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.1049 = 1.6784 BTC [+]	[19:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [+]	[19:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCS] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]	[19:24]
DeaDTerra	So whos going to London and the Bitcoin conference? :)	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm not.	[19:25]
Chaaaang-Noi	lol	[19:25]
Chaaaang-Noi	intersango is now dead right?	[19:26]
Chaaaang-Noi	its going to be a fun evet	[19:26]
Chaaaang-Noi	they will just get hit about bitcoinica and intersango all the time	[19:26]
area	Intersango is down as of this morning, but it's certainly not dead	[19:26]
area	(trades aren't executing for some reason)	[19:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1038 = 0.3114 BTC [-]	[19:27]
Chaaaang-Noi	cant get money out, only in	[19:27]
Chaaaang-Noi	lol	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	area its a named party in a us lawsuit it can't afford to defend.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	the risks in using it are too great.	[19:27]
Chaaaang-Noi	way tooo great	[19:27]
DeaDTerra	I just want to have a good time and support Bitcoins, I really hope that the whole even doesn't become a Bitcoinica/Intersango whine feast, with tons of angry bitcoineers :(	[19:28]
DeaDTerra	that would destroy the whole thing	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	from what i gather it's unavoidable.	[19:28]
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DeaDTerra	sigh xD oh well, I am going there for the people not for the speeches anyways.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	you mean for the girls ?	[19:29]
DeaDTerra	pff yea because there are so many girls in Bitcoins xD	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	well then ?!	[19:29]
Diablo-D3	/r/girlsgonebitcoin	[19:29]
area	I cashed out some coins with them yesterday, and it all went smoothly, but I will admit am consciously doing it a bit at a time, rather than all in one go.	[19:29]
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DeaDTerra	GirlsgoneBitcoins are just girls that make money from sad bitcoineers. They don't give a shit about Bitcoins, I doubt they will care to go to London for a bitcoin conference.	[19:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.96969799 = 9.697 BTC [+]	[19:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 7 @ 0.96979799 = 6.7886 BTC [+]	[19:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.97 = 9.7 BTC [+]	[19:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 23 @ 0.9778 = 22.4894 BTC [+]	[19:31]
Chaaaang-Noi	yeah, anyone who is into btc for the girls is well... sick in the head	[19:31]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: why? they could charge 50 btc for a blow job	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	ahahah	[19:32]
Chaaaang-Noi	im into btc cuz i can convert it into gold and fiat and then give it to females... works much better:)	[19:32]
DeaDTerra	hahahahah xD best answer ever :P	[19:32]
DeaDTerra	Chaaaang are you going to london?	[19:34]
Chaaaang-Noi	im not going, sorry	[19:34]
Chaaaang-Noi	i have to get back to thailand	[19:34]
Chaaaang-Noi	also sadly i dont really support the intersango guys right now cuz of how many times the feed me bs about bitcoinica	[19:35]
Chaaaang-Noi	whats a good excel like thing that is free for windows? anything better than google docs?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	open office.	[19:35]
Chaaaang-Noi	i thought they killed that	[19:36]
Chaaaang-Noi	okay thats get to be better than this google thing	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	google docs sucks almost as bad as novell netware.	[19:37]
Chaaaang-Noi	appache open office?	[19:37]
Chaaaang-Noi	did they buy it?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	dunno	[19:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 6 @ 1.4799 = 8.8794 BTC [+]	[19:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.92000001 BTC [-]	[19:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 0.92 = 4.6 BTC [-]	[19:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.91000002 = 16.38 BTC [-]	[19:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]	[19:38]
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Chaaaang-Noi	pirate sure killed my pi bonds lol	[19:40]
Chaaaang-Noi	move right down right after i sell lol	[19:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]	[19:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.974 BTC [+]	[19:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+]	[19:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]	[19:48]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]	[19:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]	[19:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]	[20:00]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.998 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 20 @ 1.069 = 21.38 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 0.999 = 24.975 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[20:02]
Chaaaang-Noi	mircea, open office is much better, thanks	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]	[20:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]	[20:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 97 @ 0.07 = 6.79 BTC [-]	[20:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07899998 = 0.237 BTC [+]	[20:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [-]	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	Chaaaang-Noi enjoy.	[20:04]
Chaaaang-Noi	:)	[20:04]
Chaaaang-Noi	the only thing i need it for is to auto sum, where is that lol	[20:05]
Chaaaang-Noi	nvm found it	[20:05]
Chaaaang-Noi	awesome	[20:05]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[20:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]	[20:11]
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Chaaaang-Noi	;;tslb	[20:16]
gribble	Time since last block: 4 minutes and 5 seconds	[20:16]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]	[20:23]
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smickles	libreoffice	[20:25]
Azelphur	chromium	[20:26]
smickles	libreoffice is to open office as chromium is to chrome	[20:27]
Azelphur	:p	[20:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.02999999 = 5.15 BTC [+]	[20:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]	[20:27]
smickles	Azelphur: unless you mean that chromium fighter-jet game :P	[20:28]
Azelphur	hehe	[20:28]
Azelphur	anyone here happen to be lawyery btw?	[20:28]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 10 @ 0.63 = 6.3 BTC [-]	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[20:31]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: so, I got this phone off ebay, "perfect condition" "new", when it got here it was obviously used, lots of damage, parts missing, etc. After a complaint the seller gave me a refund. I asked him to pay shipping to return the phone, but never heard from him since. How long until the phone is mine?	[20:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00035038 = 12.1932 BTC [+]	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	depends on your jurisdictions.	[20:32]
Azelphur	UK :p	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	well, abandoned chattel. you've served notice.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	they're yours pretty much.	[20:35]
Azelphur	surely there's a time limit on it?	[20:35]
Azelphur	I mean it's only been like a day since I messaged him	[20:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1131 = 1.6965 BTC [-]	[20:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 10 @ 0.113 = 1.13 BTC [-]	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	there is a limit but it's "reasonable".	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	and in any case i don't see anyone sueing for conversion of a damaged phone.	[20:36]
Azelphur	yay for "reasonable"	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	what's your hurry anyway ?	[20:36]
Azelphur	true lol	[20:36]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: because I either wanna use it, or buy another phone.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	you can use it lol	[20:36]
Azelphur	+ I sold my old phone to my brother and he's waiting for it	[20:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]	[20:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]	[20:36]
Azelphur	I'd prefer not to spend ages setting it up, only to have to return it	[20:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	so then wait a coupla ages till next week lol	[20:37]
Azelphur	haha	[20:37]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 42 @ 1.0002 = 42.0084 BTC [-]	[20:39]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.0001 = 4.0004 BTC [-]	[20:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 49 @ 1 = 49 BTC [-]	[20:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.97 = 2.91 BTC [-]	[20:42]
kakobreklaa	hello	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	hi	[20:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 28 @ 0.91000001 = 25.48 BTC [-]	[20:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]	[20:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 51 @ 0.9 = 45.9 BTC [-]	[20:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.80000001 = 1.6 BTC [-]	[20:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.8 = 14.4 BTC [-]	[20:47]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 0.8 = 40 BTC [-]	[20:47]
kakobreklaa	hows it going mircea_popescu	[20:47]
Chaaaang-Noi	Ìû	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	pretty good so far.	[20:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4598 = 2.9196 BTC [+]	[20:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.999 = 8.991 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.991 = 29.73 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9902 = 3.9608 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9901 = 1.9802 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 55 @ 0.99 = 54.45 BTC [-]	[20:49]
kakobreklaa	u	[20:49]
kakobreklaa	more bdt drama	[20:49]
Chaaaang-Noi	Ìû	[20:49]
kakobreklaa	haha	[20:49]
nefario	lego?	[20:49]
EskimoBob	!pl	[20:49]
assbot	!pl [@] []	[20:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.029 = 3.087 BTC [+]	[20:49]
kakobreklaa	Chaaaang-Noi?	[20:49]
kakobreklaa	nefario?	[20:49]
Chaaaang-Noi	hi	[20:50]
Chaaaang-Noi	whats up?	[20:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIPPT] 10 @ 1.09 = 10.9 BTC [-]	[20:50]
EskimoBob	nuthn	[20:50]
Chaaaang-Noi	i forget what is bdt ?	[20:51]
EskimoBob	no idea	[20:51]
nefario	it's like bitcoinica	[20:51]
nefario	but not as good	[20:51]
Chaaaang-Noi	lol anything is better than bitcoinica	[20:51]
nefario	security wise that is	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	well they didn't get hacked	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	they hacked themselves.	[20:52]
nefario	who didn't	[20:52]
EskimoBob	Chaaaang-Noi: Les Brasseurs du Temps?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	like a girl slipping herself roofies.	[20:52]
nefario	oh	[20:52]
nefario	aha	[20:52]
kakobreklaa	bdt = bitdaytrade	[20:52]
kakobreklaa	also glbse bond	[20:52]
kakobreklaa	!ticker bdt	[20:53]
assbot	[GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 0.8] [Ask: 0.97] [Spread: 0.17] [Last: 0.8] [24hVol: 677.95006849] [7dAvg: 1.00720586]	[20:53]
EskimoBob	so, are the 7% zeros gone forever?	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobreklaa you at home yet btw ?	[20:53]
kakobreklaa	just arrived	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	can i has ticker nao ?	[20:54]
EskimoBob	!pl BDT 2012-08-09	[20:54]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).	[20:54]
assbot	Invalid price supplied.	[20:54]
EskimoBob	!pl BDT 1 2012-08-09	[20:55]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).	[20:55]
assbot	BDT [1@1BTC] (since: 2012-08-09) paid: 0.03 BTC. Last price: 0.8 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2 BTC. Total: -0.17 BTC. (-17%)	[20:55]
kakobreklaa	you can drop the date if you are looking for all data since begining	[20:55]
EskimoBob	!pl COGNITIVE	[20:56]
assbot	!pl [@] []	[20:56]
EskimoBob	!pl COGNITIVE 1	[20:56]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).	[20:56]
assbot	COGNITIVE [1@1BTC] paid: 0.07560087 BTC. Last price: 0.6309 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3691 BTC. Total: -0.29349913 BTC. (-29.3%)	[20:57]
EskimoBob	BTC: Best Ask 13.49699	[20:57]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.10389 = 0.7272 BTC [+]	[20:57]
EskimoBob	this thing is going to hot 20 EUR by September	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	could happen.	[20:59]
kakobreklaa	>>Alberto says that it was originally bcrypt but there were implementation issues so he temporarily switched to MD5. As mentioned I'm not a security expert so I can't assess how plausible this is. I'll wait for Alberto to make a clarification of this and other issues.	[20:59]
kakobreklaa	LOLZ	[20:59]
EskimoBob	wh... wha... what?	[20:59]
kakobreklaa	well i warned about this long time ago	[20:59]
kakobreklaa	some quality drama indeed.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	i met this girl	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	and i originally was gonna ask for sex	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	but then there were implementation issues so i just raped her isntead.	[21:00]
kakobreklaa	:DDDDDDDDD	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	i'm not a lawyer but i'm sure it should be ok.	[21:00]
EskimoBob	lol	[21:00]
EskimoBob	yes, it's just fine	[21:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.105 = 10.5 BTC [+]	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	this will become famous as "the bcrypt defense"	[21:02]
EskimoBob	damn, I wanted to buy this ASICMINER but I had to travel and lost out on IPO	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	so it went up 5%	[21:04]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: DMC holds a lot of asicminer shares.	[21:04]
EskimoBob	Diablo-D3: I hope not too many :) this is a risky one and chinese are involved so this can be just another scam	[21:05]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: its enough to back the next stage of growth BEFORE they start paying out.	[21:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 7 @ 0.1 = 0.7 BTC [+]	[21:06]
EskimoBob	did they sell all the shares or will be there another dump at 1?	[21:07]
EskimoBob	will there be	[21:07]
kakobreklaa	afaik there are private deals to be made still	[21:08]
kakobreklaa	larger orders	[21:08]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: no more	[21:08]
Diablo-D3	there are private deals, but you'll have to talk to deadterra	[21:08]
Diablo-D3	hes the gateway on those	[21:08]
EskimoBob	õk	[21:08]
kakobreklaa	whos chinese on asicminer	[21:08]
EskimoBob	all 3 of them are in china I think	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	everybody's in china.	[21:09]
EskimoBob	fkn americans, cant even get the fkn ASIC done without the CH slave drivers .. LOL	[21:09]
kakobreklaa	china is in everybody.	[21:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 4 @ 0.71 = 2.84 BTC [+]	[21:10]
kakobreklaa	>>As far as I can tell Alberto can fix the current issues; and even if Bitdaytrade ends up a dead end (merely the bad press from this controversy could harm its growth), he can still fulfill the bond contract.	[21:11]
kakobreklaa	is meni high or something	[21:11]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: its not that	[21:11]
Diablo-D3	the fab company is one of the largest companies in the world	[21:11]
Diablo-D3	it just happens they are in china	[21:11]
EskimoBob	"kakobreklaa \| china is in everybody. " no wonder china is synonym to shit	[21:12]
Diablo-D3	china is not in me	[21:12]
EskimoBob	for*	[21:12]
*	Diablo-D3 makes passionate love to china-tan	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	meni is prolly just exposed to them kakobreklaa	[21:13]
kakobreklaa	imho hes gonna loose on that one then	[21:14]
EskimoBob	Diablo-D3: dry humping a panda?	[21:14]
usagi	-tan is japanese.	[21:14]
Diablo-D3	usagi: yes, but the japanese have drawn -tans of every country	[21:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1179 BTC [+]	[21:14]
Diablo-D3	and, well, everything really	[21:14]
Diablo-D3	theres even a wikipedia tan	[21:14]
usagi	Who wants to make 200 bitcoins modifying bitcoind for me	[21:14]
EskimoBob	what about Domo-kun?	[21:15]
Diablo-D3	Ive always wanted a domo kun, small enough to sit on the corner of my monitor	[21:15]
EskimoBob	usagi: I can modify it for you if you want. Fork over the coin and I'll make sure it's modified	[21:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [-]	[21:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 40 @ 0.0501 = 2.004 BTC [-]	[21:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 450 @ 0.05 = 22.5 BTC [-]	[21:16]
kakobreklaa	what do you need usagi	[21:16]
EskimoBob	Diablo-D3: you can use permanent marker to draw one :)	[21:16]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: lol	[21:16]
EskimoBob	i did that to several white boards just for fun	[21:16]
usagi	I'm looking at the code and I feel so depressed im never going to figure this out	[21:16]
Diablo-D3	actually, I think I saw a papercraft one	[21:16]
usagi	it would literally take me 2 months	[21:16]
Diablo-D3	but goddamned do I suck at papercraft =/	[21:16]
usagi	I need to be able to encrypt private keys on a key by key basis	[21:16]
EskimoBob	usagi: I can do it in one but no guarantees. I have never programmed :)	[21:17]
Diablo-D3	usagi: erm	[21:17]
usagi	I'm looking at CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example, which is a good place to prevent coins from being spent, if you can connect a tx to an address/privkey	[21:17]
Diablo-D3	usagi: ask gmaxwell or sipa	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	or luke	[21:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 23 @ 0.1 = 2.3 BTC [+]	[21:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 35 @ 0.099 = 3.465 BTC [-]	[21:18]
usagi	So theoretically if I put a bool locked in, say, CWalletKey (?).... and then.... um	[21:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.995 = 4.975 BTC [-]	[21:18]
usagi	Then I need to make that variable persist and I'm already lost	[21:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]	[21:19]
kakobreklaa	and the goal of this is?	[21:19]
usagi	command "encryptkey " and associated commands	[21:20]
usagi	Kind of like encrypting a whole wallet and still being able to maintain balance info as transactions come in	[21:20]
usagi	but on a key by key basis	[21:20]
kakobreklaa	aha	[21:21]
usagi	For 200 though I don't want it in main for at least 1 year :p	[21:21]
usagi	Well maybe 6 mo	[21:21]
usagi	I need an edge	[21:21]
usagi	Can you do it Kakobreklaa?	[21:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.98879 = 1.9776 BTC [+]	[21:22]
kakobreklaa	ill take a look	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	lol it wouldn't get merged into main anyway	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	wasn't that guy that coded some useful coin control stuff a year ago, it;s still not merged ?	[21:23]
usagi	Well the idea I have so far is to mark each private key (and address) with a locked flag, as I stated, then freeze spending in CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example. Then a second feature would be to encrypt individual keys.	[21:23]
usagi	Yes the coin control stuff is a good place to start	[21:23]
usagi	Instead of selecting addresses it would exclude flagged addresses	[21:24]
usagi	The next step would be to persist the exclusionary information and encrypt the keys.	[21:24]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]	[21:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00034931 = 2.7595 BTC [-]	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 700 @ 0.00376746 = 2.6372 BTC [-]	[21:28]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9101 = 3.6404 BTC [-]	[21:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.91 = 4.55 BTC [-]	[21:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [-]	[21:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 379 @ 0.05 = 18.95 BTC [-]	[21:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00034931 = 0.8733 BTC [-]	[21:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29658 @ 0.00033431 = 9.915 BTC [-]	[21:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38455 @ 0.00033199 = 12.7667 BTC [-]	[21:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00035038 = 2.1307 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0003572 = 4.8222 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00036186 = 15.3429 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35521 @ 0.00036614 = 13.0057 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40435 @ 0.0003838 = 15.519 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00039586 = 21.3764 BTC [+]	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.0003965 = 3.197 BTC [+]	[21:43]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1403 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1402 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.13777 = 2.0666 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1375 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.1375 = 0.55 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [-]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]	[21:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.93 = 1.86 BTC [+]	[21:53]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]	[21:54]
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kakobreklaa	he'll be back.	[21:55]
Diablo-D3	kakobreklaa: do me a favor	[21:55]
Diablo-D3	make two bots	[21:55]
Diablo-D3	one glbse one mpex	[21:55]
Diablo-D3	so I can put the mpex one on ignore	[21:55]
kakobreklaa	you should make that client side	[21:56]
Diablo-D3	yeah but ignore is server side so no wasted bandwidth =P	[21:56]
kakobreklaa	hopefully cryptostocks will be streaming soon as well	[21:56]
kakobreklaa	server side?	[21:56]
kakobreklaa	ignore is client side	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	apparently macfeylard is new to this entire interwebz thing.	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	er	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	kakobreklaa: right	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	it is	[21:57]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker s.mpoe	[22:08]
assbot	GLBSE returned nothing.	[22:08]
kakobreklaa	hehe	[22:08]
kakobreklaa	i know whats the problem	[22:08]
kakobreklaa	hold on.	[22:08]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[22:09]
kakobreklaa	hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	o ?	[22:10]
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kakobreklaa	!ticker s.mpoe	[22:19]
assbot	GLBSE returned nothing.	[22:19]
kakobreklaa	o?	[22:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.93 = 3.72 BTC [+]	[22:19]
kakobreklaa	!ticker gigamining	[22:19]
assbot	[GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.9725] [Ask: 0.995] [Spread: 0.0225] [Last: 0.995] [24hVol: 291.40071997] [7dAvg: 1.09786791]	[22:19]
kakobreklaa	!ticker s.mpoe	[22:20]
assbot	GLBSE returned nothing.	[22:20]
kakobreklaa	not a valid ticker i guess	[22:20]
kakobreklaa	but anyway it wouldnt work before even if it was valid	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	owait	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	!ticker S.MPOE	[22:21]
assbot	GLBSE returned nothing.	[22:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.1015 = 1.7255 BTC [-]	[22:21]
kakobreklaa	MPOE.ETF ?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	i imagined you took assbot offline to add the mpex tickers.	[22:21]
kakobreklaa	ah	[22:21]
kakobreklaa	no, sorry not yet	[22:21]
kakobreklaa	this was a server faliue	[22:21]
kakobreklaa	ure	[22:22]
kakobreklaa	not sure if ill be able to do it today	[22:22]
Diablo-D3	[03:10:12] hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs	[22:22]
Diablo-D3	ouch	[22:23]
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kakobreklaa	new hd is in place and all will be well :)	[22:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09001 = 0.18 BTC [-]	[22:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.09 = 0.81 BTC [-]	[22:25]
Diablo-D3	man I wish obsi.1mhs dividend day was coming soon	[22:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.1015 = 0.609 BTC [-]	[22:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.5101 = 1.5303 BTC [-]	[22:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02745586 = 4118.379 BTC [-]	[22:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [-]	[22:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 250 @ 0.04 = 10 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.98879 = 7.9103 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10389 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]	[22:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00376746 = 0.7535 BTC [-]	[22:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]	[22:35]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]	[22:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [-]	[22:38]
Chaaaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101109.0	[22:38]
Chaaaang-Noi	oh the bot is slow?	[22:39]
Chaaaang-Noi	or dead?	[22:39]
Chaaaang-Noi	"Jonathan Ryan Owens locked Rebate, Zip.A, Alberto & BDT thread "	[22:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]	[22:39]
Chaaaang-Noi	he makes a claim	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	and thus ended the Kronos project, and any and all involvement with Alberto and my group.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	kronos is ALSO dead !?	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	wasn't this to be the end-all beat-all securities exchange ?	[22:41]
Chaaaang-Noi	he claimed he could do some magic	[22:41]
Chaaaang-Noi	he and mathew took the money and ran, blamed it on this fall guy	[22:41]
Chaaaang-Noi	i made a thead so people could respond	[22:41]
Chaaaang-Noi	he said a bunch of bs then locked it	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	how can he lock it ?	[22:42]
Chaaaang-Noi	he did	[22:42]
Chaaaang-Noi	you can lock your own threads	[22:42]
Chaaaang-Noi	my thread however is not locked	[22:42]
Chaaaang-Noi	so you can post	[22:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC [-]	[22:42]
DeaDTerra	Will technically it is not magic, the only problem is that it's not 100% safe against exploits	[22:42]
DeaDTerra	ZIpCOnf still works and can still be used, but not publically and not for everyone. It can still be used by trusted parties.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	The realization that I had gotten in to bed with a criminally minded guy, leaves me to only blame myself. Nothing changes the fact that I am ultimately responsible to the people who have been in my support. What's worse is that very few real world investors want to touch anything Bitcoin related with a ten foot pool. If you have to ask yourself why, take a look at the current price. Look at the ponzis (Pirate), look at the most ro	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	bust markets and ask yourself "If I was an investor, would I put any faith or money into Bitcoin businesses?"	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	For 99% of investors who could make Bitcoin happen, the answer is a resounding "NO."	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	the cheek on this asshole.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	dude. i have not had a hack in a year.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	unlike anyone, including mtgox.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	how dares this asshole mingle me in his feting pool of failures.	[22:43]
Chaaaang-Noi	i think he hacked himself and he and mathew kept the investment money and ran	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	that's no excuse for the sort of shit he's saying.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	incidentally investors love bitcoin.	[22:44]
kakobreklaa	seems im not trustworthy of zipconf	[22:44]
Chaaaang-Noi	also deadt no offince but i think you were feed a bunch of BS.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	they don't love the sort of half baked shit that goes on on the forums, sure.	[22:44]
kakobreklaa	if im not, not of people are	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	but that IS NOT BITCOIN	[22:44]
kakobreklaa	not a lot*	[22:44]
DeaDTerra	I was feed a lot of bullshit, I was fooled and not told the whole truth.	[22:44]
kakobreklaa	so i call it bs	[22:44]
DeaDTerra	There is no way to know the truth unless it's proben.	[22:45]
DeaDTerra	I am just saying what I am told, of course I don't know if ZipConf actually work.	[22:45]
Chaaaang-Noi	yeah, but working with crimanals like mathew and jro is fail in my book	[22:45]
kakobreklaa	also i got a word from a source who have worked with zipconf	[22:45]
kakobreklaa	they did some testing some time ago	[22:46]
kakobreklaa	and that was it.	[22:46]
DeaDTerra	I wouldn't say they are criminal, they are innocent until the opposite is true.	[22:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]	[22:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.39989999 = 1.5996 BTC [+]	[22:48]
Chaaaang-Noi	mathew and zhou are in the same boat :) call them what you will lol	[22:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]	[22:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00098397 = 5.1166 BTC [+]	[22:50]
DeaDTerra	What I do agree on is that this whole thing has been run in a incorrect manner and with little respect to the investors money.	[22:51]
DeaDTerra	With little to no communication and a sea of lies and cover ups	[22:51]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: who/>	[22:51]
Luceo	Yay my new keyboard is here :D	[22:51]
*	Diablo-D3 in the mean time sees whos dividend is next	[22:51]
Luceo	$10 keyboard replacing $150 keyboard	[22:52]
Luceo	<3	[22:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 900 @ 0.00011716 = 0.1054 BTC [+]	[22:53]
DeaDTerra	who what?	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: who fucked investors	[22:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00035871 = 7.784 BTC [-]	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	obsi.1mhs: 19th, btc-mining: 20th, btcmc: 1st.	[22:54]
Diablo-D3	meh	[22:54]
DeaDTerra	JRO,Matthew and the whole crew in charge of ZipConf and Rebate.	[22:55]
Diablo-D3	explains why their shit was locked	[22:55]
DeaDTerra	Though I think JRO is planning to do whats right and repay the investor.	[22:57]
DeaDTerra	at least thats what he says he will	[22:57]
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Diablo-D3	yeah but you know how that goes =/	[23:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1370 @ 0.00097641 = 1.3377 BTC [-]	[23:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.15388 = 0.7694 BTC [+]	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	what i want to know is	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	that kenna dude from tradehill who is owen's partner in some land development	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	has he paid all his depositors in tradehill yet ?	[23:05]
Diablo-D3	btw, guys	[23:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [+]	[23:06]
Diablo-D3	I'm paying 2 DMC for 1 ASICMINER, and 9 DMC for 1 BTC-MINING	[23:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00035871 = 9.0395 BTC [-]	[23:10]
Chaaaang-Noi	dmc .03ish and yet will trade 2 of them for an asset worth .1 lol	[23:11]
Chaaaang-Noi	i bet people are lined up for that.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	didn't it jump to .07 ?	[23:12]
Diablo-D3	Im still accepting 15 1mh bonds/shares for 1 DMC as well	[23:13]
Diablo-D3	any of them	[23:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CBGB] 3 @ 0.49999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]	[23:14]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.39989999 BTC [+]	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	so basically you'll take anything to divest from your own company ?	[23:17]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: they're not my private shares.	[23:17]
Diablo-D3	those you can pry out of my cold dead hands	[23:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.6309 = 4.4163 BTC [-]	[23:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 40 @ 0.5 = 20 BTC [-]	[23:19]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: but the next size target for DMC is 15 mhash, so I'm trading accordingly	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	i still don't comprehend your structure.	[23:20]
Diablo-D3	basically, DMC is locking down the mh market and using the output to further fund the plan.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	giga's 5mh/s trade around 1, you want three of those, that's 3btc.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	the dmc is doing nothing to no market. it's 2k lifetime trade volume clearly indicate that.	[23:21]
Diablo-D3	giga's are _worth_ about 0.15.	[23:21]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: btw, no	[23:21]
Diablo-D3	the trade volume doesnt include shares trasferred	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	well the problem we have here is this : you think yours worth 1, they go for .0x. you think his worth .05 they go for 1.	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	so we'll have to leave your opinions on valuations aside for a moment.	[23:22]
Diablo-D3	yeah, the market is irrational	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	what exactly does dmc do ?	[23:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [+]	[23:23]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: have you not read the plan?	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	your Full contract: on glbse is ridiculous.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	do you have a complement to that somewhere ?	[23:23]
Diablo-D3	you havent read the plan then	[23:23]
Diablo-D3	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469	[23:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	o i recall reading that and pointing out that you're too late for the 1mn bitcoin start-up.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	so basically you envisage a very capital intensive investment	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	to cut down on operational costs.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	the problem with this is that the market is not mature enough to make that move yet.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	that's a move of commodification.	[23:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.39989999 = 1.1997 BTC [+]	[23:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	even in that paradigm, i don't understand why you'd be holding other people's paper.	[23:30]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FZB.A] 100 @ 0.034 = 3.4 BTC [+]	[23:31]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]	[23:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+]	[23:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [+]	[23:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00035121 = 2.8799 BTC [-]	[23:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00034212 = 0.6921 BTC [-]	[23:52]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: well	[23:53]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: some people do agree with you on the market not being ready yet	[23:53]
Diablo-D3	but someone has to be the first, and being the first is always hard	[23:53]
Diablo-D3	as for holding other people's paper... its worth it.	[23:53]
Diablo-D3	I cant have the hardware here at my house	[23:53]
Diablo-D3	so Im effectively leasing it out from other people	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	well i'll tell you this, unlike most everyone i don't think you're necessarily foolish. maybe a little haughty. the thing is, it's not enough for something to be hard to make it worth doing.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	commodification is a natural process, you can'd "do" it any more than you can rain.	[23:54]
Diablo-D3	that still doesnt solve the problem	[23:54]
Diablo-D3	someone still has to be the first	[23:54]
Diablo-D3	I actually wanted to invest in someone else being the first... but there wasnt one	[23:55]
Diablo-D3	theres no one else whos doing real world things at this large of a scale in the bitcoin world	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	yes but there's a reason, see ? tghe reason is that it's much cheaper to test things out on a small scale.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	if they fail you don't end up with large capital costs writen off as losses this way.	[23:56]
Diablo-D3	yes, but for what the plan covers... that IS a small scale.	[23:56]
Diablo-D3	when google or amazon build a data center, its thousands of racks	[23:56]
Diablo-D3	DMC's first one will be a few dozen	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	the main problem still is how come you own other people's paper.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	if you ipo as a shoe factory you can't take the money and buy shoe factory shares in other factories	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	you didn't ipo as a bank.	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	[04:53:49] I cant have the hardware here at my house	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	[04:54:11] so Im effectively leasing it out from other people	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: no, but your example is _almost_ right	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	well ya but you didn't say that originally.	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	Tesla didnt have a car factory when they built their company	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	they did business with another manufacturer to get it done	[23:57]
Diablo-D3	now they can afford their own factory	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	ya but they didn't actually ipo as a car factory	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	they ipo'd as a car designer.	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	they ipo'ed as a car manufacturer	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	I'm ipo'ing as a company that does many things	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	DMC is in a bad spot by being the first. We can't just leave the money sit	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	and there are no large scale investment funds	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	i think you'd have been a lot happier if that contract was better written tbh.	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	even usagi's are too small	[23:58]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: probably	[23:59]
Diablo-D3	but we have no bitlawyers.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	cause i think this "being in a bad spot for being first" is mostly self-pity. in fact, it's in a bad spot by poor communication with market.	[23:59]
Diablo-D3	the market doesnt communicate well, so its not a one sided problem	[23:59]
Diablo-D3	a lot of things have already gotten better because of DMC	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	surely. the only thing is that the market we can do nothing about.	[23:59]

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