Forum logs for 13 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	yeah	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	;;google vaginismus	[00:00]
gribble	Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Vaginismus.com: Home:	[00:00]
asciilifeform	well yes	[00:00]
asciilifeform	but would need threaded cock for the locking action.	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	well depends how bad it gets but ya	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	which was that again ?	[00:07]
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BingoBoingo	%t	[00:17]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 205 24h-Vol: 8k High: 205 Low: 205 VWAP: 204	[00:17]
kakobrekla	artifexd http://bitbet.us/rss/betsbets/ ?	[00:18]
assbot	BitBet Bets	[00:18]
artifexd	Sweet. Is that new?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	nah	[00:19]
kakobrekla	i just made it	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	oh :D	[00:19]
artifexd	So the three feeds are new, resolved, betsbets? I can work with that.	[00:20]
kakobrekla	yea	[00:20]
kakobrekla	something like that	[00:20]
kakobrekla	one only is new	[00:20]
kakobrekla	the betsbets thingy	[00:20]
artifexd	Roughly how long is the delay between a block being broadcast and bitbet updating the feed with bets contained therein?	[00:22]
kakobrekla	a minute	[00:23]
artifexd	Okey dokey	[00:24]
kakobrekla	you can hit that feed as often as you like	[00:24]
kakobrekla	there is no restriction	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	lol @reddit "it's okay to be a redditor with a website ; it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account"	[00:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up gsdgdfs	[00:42]
-assbot-	You voiced gsdgdfs for 30 minutes.	[00:42]
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mircea_popescu	im curious when this "walled garden" idea of the internet is going to finally die, and how and why	[00:42]
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BingoBoingo	Prolly around the time #Freenode is a channel on Bitcoin-Assets IRC	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	hm.	[00:46]
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BingoBoingo	That's when it starts prolly.	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	!up CryptOprah_	[00:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00076167 = 21.7076 BTC [+] {2}	[01:05]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-fucking-understudy/	[02:16]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[02:37]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[02:37]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.) << shit i think i may be guilty of that crime	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, isn't lisp allcaps since 4ever ?	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen jayne	[02:45]
gribble	I have not seen jayne.	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	freenode is getting it pretty thickly.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	!up fdd_	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	da fuck, .al has no whois ?!	[02:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sor9GzivGbk	[02:58]
assbot	The Money Song - Monty Python's The Flying Circus - YouTube	[02:58]
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artifexd	;;ident	[03:08]
gribble	Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlhhitiudhiqmdwu', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None	[03:08]
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BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[03:31]
gribble	Current Blocks: 320391 \| Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 \| Next Difficulty In: 152 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 29489364129.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 7.51307	[03:31]
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BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident	[03:54]
assbot	Raymond Allen Davis incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[03:54]
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TheNewDeal	;;laserkitten	[04:00]
gribble	Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.	[04:00]
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gribble	Error: "lazerkitten" is not a valid command.	[04:00]
TheNewDeal	!	[04:00]
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asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampi%C3%A3o#mediaviewer/File:Degola_de_Lampi%C3%A3o_MB.jpg	[04:00]
assbot	Lampio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:00]
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TheNewDeal	;;laser kittens	[04:01]
gribble	Error: "laser" is not a valid command.	[04:01]
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TheNewDeal	;;laserkittens	[04:02]
gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew	[04:02]
TheNewDeal	http://imgur.com/ljWYbSM	[04:02]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the only noteworthy thing in all that is that the guy sung.	[04:07]
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mircea_popescu	it stands in general, catch a cia guy, beat him up for a coupla days, he's going to spill it all.	[04:08]
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BingoBoingo	Interesting	[04:08]
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mircea_popescu	not really the sort of material one wants for that job, but then again who am i to judge.	[04:09]
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asciilifeform	according to pediwikia, davis went on to illustrious career of public brawling.	[04:11]
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mircea_popescu	well, what do you want. after the pakistani episode he's eminently downed jet material	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	only useful as fuel for some worf effect	[04:12]
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asciilifeform	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8340999/Raymond-Davis-was-acting-head-of-CIA-in-Pakistan.html	[04:12]
assbot	Raymond Davis 'was acting head of CIA in Pakistan' - Telegraph	[04:13]
asciilifeform	^ linked	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	clueless people. there isn't one head.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	station chief	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	not even, think about it.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	(in russian parlace, 'resident')	[04:13]
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asciilifeform	for all i know, he was station dogcatcher. the claim is that he was chief.	[04:14]
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mircea_popescu	well, he was worth 2.5mn in payola, that's one thing.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	right.	[04:16]
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asciilifeform	though, what's 2.5m bezzlars to these folks.	[04:16]
asciilifeform	they regularly lose far larger parcels, in the form of crates of benjamins, 'by accident'	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	well, yeah, but see the difference	[04:16]
asciilifeform	(see the several documented instances in iraq, etc.)	[04:17]
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mircea_popescu	the lost ones go to academi, not to some pakistani	[04:17]
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mircea_popescu	"Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment."	[04:19]
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mircea_popescu	congratulations on living in 1980 over there. o.O	[04:20]
asciilifeform	lol! who /	[04:20]
asciilifeform	?	[04:20]
asciilifeform	blackwater ?	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	nah the derpy ad server that puts all those idiotic "related stories" on shitty msm websites	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	the "you will not believe what this mom did" crapola.	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if i'm the only person that will shitlist a company for that reason.	[04:21]
asciilifeform	for not taking btc ?	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	i mean, no bitcoin i can see, but credit cards aren't happening.	[04:21]
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asciilifeform	most folks will take wire, but you have to ask.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	i only ask after about a year or so of exceptional service.	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	"Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment." << You have to realize "credit card" now is often used to refer to the various prepaid arrangements of dubious value	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[04:24]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: taking anything other than 'plastic', in bezzland, typically requires human labour.	[04:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but if you mail in, via postal pigeon, a cheque for 1mil, they'll probably take it.	[04:38]
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BingoBoingo	!up pgp	[05:05]
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BingoBoingo	!up DreadKnight	[05:07]
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BingoBoingo	Dude can't take the nexy step https://chronicle.com/article/You-Dont-Need-a-Search-Firm/148525/	[05:14]
assbot	You Don't Need a Search Firm to Hire a President - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education	[05:14]
asciilifeform	https://chronicle.com/article/On-Campus-Grenade-Launchers/148749 << that tank was actually where claimed, i went in.	[05:16]
assbot	On Campus, Grenade Launchers, M-16s, and Armored Vehicles - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education	[05:16]
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asciilifeform	u. of md. used to have another one, kept in the car impound lot. but it must have broken down, was sold.	[05:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Across Universities in the US, the biggest difference I've noticed is the hardware they keep for their "security"	[05:18]
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BingoBoingo	Mizzou for example was perfectly happy to let the city of Columbia pay for and hoard the heavy stuff.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: u. of md. is not in the boundaries of any serious city (city of college park is a very small and threadbare thing)	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	Columbia's "Occupy" group camped withing a football field or two of the City Football field	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: No "serious" college is in a "serious" city	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	nyu ?	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	Not "serious"	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	Serious include beautiful things like research reactors	[05:23]
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mircea_popescu	does your seriosity criteria beg the question ?	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	if a 3bn endowment is not serious you got problmz.	[05:24]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: we had reactors. we also had ~30,000 students, of whom perhaps 100 had any 'serious' reason for being there.	[05:24]
asciilifeform	so, 'serious' or no ?	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This seriosity criteria is not my own, merely repeating the the 'Murican criteria	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	Serious Campuses exist in half assed cities	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	how's nyu not serious get outta here.	[05:25]
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BingoBoingo	Who were located where they were to try to kickstart serious cities in locations people don't want to settle.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	!up bitstein	[05:25]
-assbot-	You voiced bitstein without time-limit.	[05:25]
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BingoBoingo	It's the crieria by which UIUC is serious and University of Illinois Chicago is Community College++	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?	[05:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29993 @ 0.00076334 = 22.8949 BTC [+]	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the American view, as I understand it... Serious schools are the ones that dominate their local geography	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	so then you were begging the question :D	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	Pinacle of this is Ohio State University located in God only knows where.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	i hear they refurbished some containers.	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	Well, of fucking course I'm begging the Question, because this is how 'Murica picks which schools are serious	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	'Murica does nothing well if not Begging the Question	[05:31]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: when you said 'serious,' i assumed you meant the factories where the bezzlords merit-wash their spawn	[05:32]
asciilifeform	i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814500	[05:32]
assbot	Logged on 29-08-2014 04:53:06; asciilifeform: church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit'	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Nah, I mean the ones where the Bezzel lords merit wash their careers after losing elections	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	;;google Glenn Poshard	[05:33]
gribble	Glenn Poshard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Biography of SIU President Randy Dunn - Southern Illinois University: ; Glenn Poshard's final day - The Daily Egyptian:	[05:33]
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bitstein	;;later tell benkay I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/	[05:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:34]
assbot	Everyone's a Scammer \| Satoshi Nakamoto Institute	[05:34]
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BingoBoingo	Then there's Columbia, Missouri which is Missouri's Third City and boasts one of the United State's highest per capita concentrations of persons with Graduate degrees despite being located in Missouri. The reason for this being the University, a couple other colleges, and so many fucking hospitals.	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	But Most US states have at least one Columbia.	[05:37]
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BingoBoingo	Next door in Kansas there's Manhattan with a Univeristy and well... who knows really what their bio department does.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	"Douban.com is a multi-products web platform which generated based on life-and-culture oriented ... Morecontents by users"	[05:43]
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BingoBoingo	http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sche=dongxi&id=22327319935&spm=2014.21481949.1.0 << Why I'm rooting for Spanish to win the language war. I can deal with a Latin alphabet.	[05:45]
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BingoBoingo	I mean the vowel shift pretty much eliminated any English's chance of winning the language war.	[05:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00075778 = 4.8672 BTC [-]	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	Oh, the US really did kill non-BTC irreversible-ish payments	[05:56]
asciilifeform	'spam-pals' ?	[05:57]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The Greendot moneypaks are done, Vanilla reloads look almost done.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	greendot << homeland severity compliant, long before its demise	[05:59]
asciilifeform	like all the retail 'preload' cards.	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	Well Irony is that Law enforcement visit to my doorstep was for cashing BTC out to those back in the day. The fucking card the load to is regitered with SSN and all that leading toward their boredom as described in blog post.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	lol-enforcement.	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	Indeed	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	How can the fight the daemons Satoshi unleashed when they can't fight the ones they grew themselves	[06:05]
asciilifeform	no 'fight' in the latter case	[06:06]
asciilifeform	spamcoins exist at the crown's pleasure.	[06:06]
asciilifeform	for purposes that are not hard to guess.	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	Oh, but the ATF's Fast and Furious was a thing, and ISIS is apparently now the biggest thing.	[06:08]
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BingoBoingo	These things may exist at the Crown's pleasure, but they rarely end before they produce quite the vexation to the crown.	[06:09]
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asciilifeform	usually end because stoolie in charge breaks the understanding.	[06:10]
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asciilifeform	e.g., 'log all the palmprints' means -all-, not merely the ones which didn't come with benjamins. or, alternatively - means all but the district attorney's, when he buys his dope.	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	The worst part of this misdemeanor thing is that Illinois has a solid collection of my fingerprints	[06:13]
decimation	look at the 'egold' story	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	egold was a stupid structure pretending to permanence	[06:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up The20YearIRCloud	[06:14]
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The20YearIRCloud	thx	[06:14]
The20YearIRCloud	What'd you get charged with BingoBoingo ?	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: I've still got last year's misdemeanor. Feds haven't presented any charges	[06:14]
The20YearIRCloud	bitcoin related due to exchanging money for people?	[06:15]
decimation	http://online.wsj.com/articles/infineon-to-buy-international-rectifier-for-3-billion-1408552155 << Infineon paid only $3bn for International Rectifier, which mints $1bn worth of industrial silicon parts per annum - less than what Google paid for Nest	[06:15]
assbot	Infineon to Buy International Rectifier for $3 Billion - WSJ	[06:15]
The20YearIRCloud	industrial companies are cheap compared to these idiotic tech startups	[06:15]
asciilifeform	phun phact: infineon makes the 'fritz chip.'	[06:15]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: No, disorderly conduct, because allegedly I engaged in political speech	[06:15]
The20YearIRCloud	how?	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: Because White people are a bunch of fucking Niggers	[06:16]
decimation	'fritz chip'?	[06:16]
The20YearIRCloud	are you not of the caucasion persuasion?	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo	[06:16]
asciilifeform	;;google fritz chip	[06:16]
gribble	Fritz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Has your computer got the "Fritz chip"? [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums: ; Microsoft's Palladium and the "Fritz Chip" - Free Republic:	[06:16]
decimation	infineon was a Siemens spinoff, a successful one at that	[06:16]
asciilifeform	renamed... 7? times now	[06:17]
The20YearIRCloud	I've been looking into investment options once we get our 506c and it's crazy how much money is being thrown at 1st and 2nd stage tech startups, then someone brings forward a really, really good real estate deal and they take forever to fund	[06:17]
decimation	heh oh that's the 'tpm' module lol	[06:17]
decimation	asciilifeform: usg wants secure boot	[06:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: expect it'll be called something else in a year or three.	[06:18]
The20YearIRCloud	One of our investors pointed out a extraordinarily large funding round that went through for a 1050+ unit buy here in Central Ohio, the financial metrics were absolutely fantastic	[06:18]
decimation	'clipper'	[06:18]
The20YearIRCloud	But it took quite some time for them to raise the cash, and they had to bring an extremely large commercial lender in	[06:18]
asciilifeform	usg wants ponies. microshit wants pc that behaves like game console.	[06:18]
The20YearIRCloud	and what do you want?	[06:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: obviously not to ensure the privacy of the end-user	[06:19]
asciilifeform	what do you want << glass of water.	[06:19]
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mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo << what, srsly ?!	[06:20]
asciilifeform	'even entire free operating systems... ...existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.'	[06:21]
The20YearIRCloud	Plenty of pale japanese people, or white mexican/latino	[06:21]
asciilifeform	(stallman. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html)	[06:21]
assbot	404 - Page Not Found- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation	[06:21]
decimation	asciilifeform: it's the State's dream - and the manufacturers want the lock-in	[06:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00075708 = 17.2993 BTC [-] {3}	[06:22]
asciilifeform	decimation: approximately everyone who gives half a damn knows the 'why.'	[06:22]
asciilifeform	the more interesting question is the 'how'	[06:22]
decimation	all that remains is the problem of carefully herding the sheeple through the right gates	[06:22]
asciilifeform	specifically, the mechanics of the frog-boiling process	[06:22]
asciilifeform	what heat source, and why so apparently slowly	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Continental Descent.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	imo you all err in presuming people are equal.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	what will happen here is that the "frog" will spontaneously separate.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	most of the mass will boil, but is worthless boiled or not.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	nintendo for the lumpen, lisp machine for man ?	[06:24]
asciilifeform	(or similar)	[06:24]
asciilifeform	the former - is proceeding on schedule.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	as for the latter...	[06:24]
decimation	for the moment, shenzhen has no use for any dreamer's lock-in	[06:24]
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decimation	it looks cheap to google!	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	this is like reminding me that a cd press is expensive.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	AS IF it takes more than marker to defeat sony	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	let's not get ahead of ourselves. boiled frogs brains ain't magically working just because wearing an evil cape.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	the difference between better and worse is not arbitrary. it's real. this then flows right into all the pots.	[06:28]
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*	asciilifeform expects that proles will eventually be issued with graphical terminals, just like everybody used to expect and then, for some reason, stopped	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	better usability anyway.	[06:30]
*	BingoBoingo snacks on Chicken gizzards, seasoned with anchovie, fried in lard. That includes at least a member of each major class of warm blooded critter endemic today, right.	[06:30]
decimation	http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/ask-peter-thiel-anything/ << "Is Palantir a front for the CIA? No, the CIA is a front for Palantir." "I don’t agree with the libertarian description of the NSA as “big brother.” I think Snowden revealed something that looks more like the Keystone Kops and very little like James Bond."	[06:30]
assbot	Ask Peter Thiel Anything « Isegoria	[06:30]
asciilifeform	graphical terminals for proles, while having an actual computer in your possession will be seen as rather like owning, e.g., a Kugelrohr.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	or runnin linux	[06:31]
asciilifeform	owning a kugelrohr in present-day usa.	[06:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: but you can make 10 ml of ethanol for personal use. usg is generous!	[06:32]
asciilifeform	there's 'law' and there's law, the actual.	[06:33]
asciilifeform	as in, who gets the 3am broken door and barrel in his mouth, and who doesn't	[06:33]
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BingoBoingo	So... USG and Libtards seem to have officially declared war on Running Backs: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/12/minnesota_vikings_running_back_adrian_peterson_reportedly_indicted_for_child.html	[06:35]
assbot	Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson reportedly indicted for child abuse in Texas.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	(for an expensive but lively lesson in 'law' and law, purchase, e.g., a pill press.)	[06:35]
decimation	but you are making your own herbal remedies? what would usg have to say on the subject?	[06:36]
asciilifeform	usg will bust first, dekulakize second, and ask questions - third.	[06:36]
BingoBoingo	decimation: They can find whatever esoteric paraphenenial in your tablets.	[06:36]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: no need. be shot instead, 'resisting arrest'	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	eh you're overdramatizing	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	Best defense is against US police seems to be not any fortress, but the threat of unknown cameras	[06:38]
asciilifeform	a 'classroom' example necessarily overdramatizes.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	but yes, web streaming cameras are a pretty good repellant	[06:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: first thing they do is destroy all comms. this dates back to at least 'waco' incident.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	"all coms" is not something that can be destroyed.	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	Which is why you don't use live web cameras.	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	Cameras summinicating offsite sure.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	afaik, they don't run a gigantic spark gap jammer during a bust - yet.	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	cameras live to somewhere sure.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	but any kind of uplink a 'plebe' can get hold of at reasonable expense - yes, jammed.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	if not today - tomorrow.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	(among the surplus 'iraq gear' discussed earlier - certainly, jammers.)	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	eh get out, you hve to get a special permit for that.	[06:40]
asciilifeform	cameras on site - found, confiscated (found how? nonlinear junction detector.)	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	dude for crying out loud. you think there's five cops that know how to use one ?	[06:40]
asciilifeform	and if not found - who will retrieve it from sealed dwelling?	[06:41]
asciilifeform	dog?	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	Indeed dog.	[06:41]
asciilifeform	who will be permitted near it, without minders.	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	Because "Hello this is"	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	dudes rutinely break down the wrong door they're too dumb/high/clueless	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	and you're here derping about jamming wifi.	[06:42]
decimation	yeah I'm with mircea on this one, see the "keystone kops" above	[06:43]
asciilifeform	'your Honour, i've a hidden camera in my toilet tank, it filmed the hextuple-orifice motorized police rape of my person.' judge: 'court orders that Sgt. Coquthrobb retrieve evidence...'	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	"my gopro's been filming you all along. you're a youtube sensation now, congrats."	[06:43]
asciilifeform	instead of camera, 10kg of cocaine are brought.	[06:43]
asciilifeform	'found in toilet and in defendant's shoes'	[06:44]
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BingoBoingo	Who was it? Appelbaum? Who caught some invader in his apartment on his 4th surveillance system after the first 3 were incapacitated.	[06:45]
decimation	http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736	[06:46]
assbot	American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money - World - CBC News	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17357 @ 0.00076359 = 13.2536 BTC [+] {2}	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	Anyways http://www.chesscorner.com/games/deepblue/dblue3.htm	[06:48]
assbot	Chess Corner - Kasparov vs Deep Blue Game 3	[06:48]
decimation	!up The20YearIRCloud	[06:56]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i bet the fellow who ended up in the famous bathtub duffel bag - had 17 systems, of which 15 failed. the remaining two, say? one at the bottom of the Thames, perhaps. one was built into his towel hanger and thrown out by landlord - blood wouldn't come off. (imagine.)	[06:58]
BingoBoingo	At least one must have worked. They didn't come back to take him out of the bag to normalize the sceen.	[06:59]
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decimation	asciilifeform: but appelbaum has made himself interesting very publicly - your corner bobby could care less about someone like him	[07:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Appelbaum wasn't in the UK though, but in the proto-USA	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit"	[07:07]
asciilifeform	corner bobby doesn't zip bags, no.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	but a u.s. subject can die of lightning and car wreck a dozen times before getting 'accidentally policed' to death.	[07:09]
asciilifeform	the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death...	[07:10]
asciilifeform	at least, in head.	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	doesn't work that way.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	boulder falls on my head, i know what last thought i'll think!	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	worrywarts aren't immune to negative events, nor hypochondriacs to disease, nor paranoids to accidents.	[07:10]
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decimation	many die every year in Colorado climbing mountains - from lightning	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses	[07:11]
decimation	http://www.weather.com/news/lightning-strike-injuries-death-rocky-mountain-national-park-20140712	[07:11]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[16:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[16:11]
gribble	Current Blocks: 320493 \| Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 \| Next Difficulty In: 50 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 29793225340.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 8.6209	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	heh it picked up huh	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[16:13]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it.	[16:15]
empyex	mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (1490 milliseconds), mpex.co (790 milliseconds), mpex.biz (800 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10844 milliseconds)	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	bitbet is also under ddos. kako is working on it.	[16:16]
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empyex	mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: ✗ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: ✗	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ?	[16:20]
FabianB	hm. guess i need to improve the fallback	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	how much does ddos cost anymore anyway ? per gb per minute or something ?	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	https://btc.waroflife.com/ http://minigame.bz/ etc still online also, so i guess maybe it's just coincidence.	[16:25]
assbot	War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute.	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	poor freenode.	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	lol this is officially #b-a hatedom. http://bitcoin-assets.com/ is down as well.	[17:22]
justusranvier	How come freenode has 4 Tor hidden services, yet they always seem to be either all up or all down at the same time.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	course blogs. and log. work just fine, but anyway	[17:23]
justusranvier	Not much of a load balancing/backup plan	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier lol i had no idea, but sounds kinda ridoinculous.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	maybe bitch in #freenode ?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	just to see what they say, if anything.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell ben_vulpes pankkake "FeedYES plans Try FeedYES for free for 14 days	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	You can try FeedYES for 14 days for free. You will get access to the full service. If you like what you see, you can sign up for FeedYes premium, which will let you create as many feeds as you like. With FeedYES premium, your feed does not show any advertisments." << wtf is this bs srsly nao.	[17:25]
gribble	Error: No closing quotation	[17:25]
justusranvier	I've asked them before to set up an eepsite, since I've found I2P to be more reliable for hidden services, but they aren't interested.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell ben_vulpes pankkake "FeedYES plans Try FeedYES for free for 14 days You can try FeedYES for 14 days for free. You will get access to the full service. If you like what you see, you can sign up for FeedYes premium, which will let you create as many feeds as you like. With FeedYES premium, your feed does not show any advertisments." << wtf is this bs srsly nao.	[17:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: already poked him, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2014#828120	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier they're fucking impossible. weekly ddos, they can't be arsed to get free servers.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	basically, freenode is dead man walking i guess.	[17:26]
jurov	anyone responded to the call for irc admin?	[17:27]
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justusranvier	mircea_popescu: I'm getting tired of crappy "free" services that you pay for with surveillance.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	i doubt that's what freenode is.	[17:28]
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justusranvier	I wish more of them would let you pay for a subscription so they could use that money to have decent infrastructure	[17:29]
asciilifeform	hard to say what freenode is, or rather, became, after they plugged the founder.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand. there's no way for you to "pay" and there's no "money".	[17:29]
justusranvier	Right, that's the problem	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	suppose i pay you to kil obama. you don't kil obama. can i sue you and will the court force to give me back my money ?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	no. for which reason your thing with the "pay" doesn't exist.	[17:29]
justusranvier	It's possible to build IRC servers that only allow access for paid subscribers.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	the only way out of this is through making your very own criminal organisation, ie, a group which allows you access to some resources on the grounds of you being part of it.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly what we'll do, once this dog is dead.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier until someone supoenas the dc under a gag.	[17:31]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the world is not built by people who plan to survive. the world is built by people who refuse to live in any other world.	[17:31]
justusranvier	I'm not talking about surveillance free services - I'm talking about services whose operating expenses are paid by the users	[17:31]
asciilifeform	blasting hole in enemy requires more than 'nietzschean' iron will. also need... iron. i.e. hardware.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because you're a democrat. if that worked it'd exist already.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	it dun work.	[17:32]
justusranvier	So at least they'd have an incentive to offer decent service	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform notrly. as long as you've decided you're only going to live in x world, this is going to be true by definition.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	it's healthier for one to not set goals outside himself.	[17:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the old saw from u.s. gen. patton comes to mind 'no bastard won war by dying for his country, he made the other guy die for his'	[17:34]
kakobrekla	ls	[17:34]
-tomaw-	[Global Notice] Earlier today the freenode infra team noticed an anomaly on a single IRC server. We have identified that this was indicative of the server being compromised by an unknown third party. We immediately started an investigation to map the extent of the problem and located similar issues with several other machines and have taken those offline. For now, we recommend that every change their NickServ password as a precaution.	[17:34]
kakobrekla	wrong window	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	why should i care who wins the war ?	[17:34]
-tomaw-	[Global Notice] We'll issue more updates as WALLOPS and via social media!	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	lol tomaw tyvm but we weren't trusting the nickserv system anyway, that's what gribble is for	[17:35]
jurov	whoever is in control of irc server, has it easy to fake gribble	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform who wins the war is strictly of interest to survivors, the married men trying to raise my children.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	lol	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	not my concern in any sense.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has fine 'bushido.'	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	total rockstar.	[17:38]
jurov	we'll end up having gribble produce signed responses	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	wb assbot. you;'ve missed all the great conversation to the irreparable loss of the kids watching at home :D	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	ow shit, can'rt even type fast enough	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov not so. think about it, i get the otp from nano's site	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	does the irc guy fake that too ?	[17:39]
jurov	i mean fake ;;ident output	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	until someone orders a ;;rate	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	and which point the whole thing collapses.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, nanotube designed this thing quite well.	[17:40]
jurov	how so?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	what's fake gribble going to do with the rate order ?	[17:40]
jurov	pretend it went through	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	and i dont see it on the site.	[17:41]
jurov	or maybe even pass it to real gribble	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	under my name ?	[17:41]
jurov	cuz it can impersonate you	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	not that well.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	irc can't have two same names in same chan	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	which is why gribble insists you be in chan	[17:42]
asciilifeform	'rate' command not being itself signed, is fundamentally sad.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[17:42]
jurov	i mean irc server diddled so that can "proxy" mircea_popeasu	[17:42]
jurov	once you auth , it can do whatever it wishes	[17:43]
asciilifeform	jurov has it	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	hm, i guess this is actually true.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	gribble v2.0 will have to have signed pastebins like the mpex bots.	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute.	[17:44]
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gribble	if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc.	[17:44]
gribble	also, someone voice nanotube :)	[17:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up nanotube	[17:44]
-assbot-	You voiced nanotube for 30 minutes.	[17:44]
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nanotube	ah assbot just came back heh	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ?	[17:44]
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nanotube	what's this bitcoin assets deeds registrar?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	and publish on a website as well.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	basically this can be used to issue signed ratings.	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's.	[17:46]
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nanotube	how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	64 bytes per hour at most.	[17:46]
nanotube	ah so things get aggregated, cool	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle	[17:47]
RagnarDanneskjol	nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i think it Might be done this weekend	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most.	[17:48]
nanotube	sounds interesting	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	and yes im aware english doesn't like "on average at most" but it's actually correct logically. har har.	[17:48]
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nanotube	hehe	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway ping you for tests once this thing is delivered ?	[17:49]
nanotube	sure!	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy.	[17:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw	[17:50]
assbot	b-a deeds registrar - Pastebin.com	[17:50]
nanotube	RagnarDanneskjol: yea i remember :)	[17:52]
RagnarDanneskjol	k	[17:52]
asciilifeform	nanotube - original author of this entire orchestra ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	he implemented gribble and the wot	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with	[17:54]
nanotube	RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?)	[17:54]
nanotube	asciilifeform: :)	[17:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	yup i suppose	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	nanotube autofaucet.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	by design.	[17:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh that too	[17:55]
RagnarDanneskjol	its mp's spec, not mine. I dum	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have to pay.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier favours the later approach :)	[17:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider :	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	"woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	mores change.	[18:11]
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nanotube	mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out.	[18:18]
nanotube	then, no expense	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	let it be an expense.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows things to be expenses and industry does not.	[18:19]
nanotube	oh nature stinks plenty. ever been around a corpse? :)	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	jesus you're all too smart to argue with, what is this! counterexamples and shit :D	[18:20]
nanotube	lol	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, s/stink/stink(metaphorical)/ and i'm out.	[18:22]
nanotube	nature does take care of its own stinks though. :)	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	not deliberately :D	[18:22]
nanotube	heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up couragewolf	[18:32]
-assbot-	You voiced couragewolf for 30 minutes.	[18:32]
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*	asciilifeform still favours his demented 'telegraph' algo.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[18:35]
asciilifeform	serverless	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ?	[18:35]
asciilifeform	easy fix. don't publish the client.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	only algo.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	(the latter - already published...)	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	not the point here tho.	[18:36]
asciilifeform	who wants - writes own, a dozen lines of $lang, and connects.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	in those terms, your telegraph already exists.	[18:36]
asciilifeform	sure does.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	well so then of course it can't be made.	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	by this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	so there's something wrong with this easy fix	[18:37]
*	asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way.,	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	now, getting back : serverless is not an advantage, it's a disadvantage.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.	[18:38]
asciilifeform	there is exactly one human necessary in the loop (as proposed)	[18:38]
asciilifeform	the fellow with the privkey to throw back the coins to originators	[18:38]
asciilifeform	anyone who 'comes with a sword' - doesn't get his back. that simple.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	mebbe	[18:39]
jurov	"serverless" means "everyone has to be a server"	[18:39]
asciilifeform	everyone who is running a node, yes.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	(ordinary btc node)	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the woman’s ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : ‘Here! this is what we took out of you.’	[18:43]
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asciilifeform	lol!	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	course he hated the banks cause he hated the jews, but hey.	[18:45]
jurov	btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	it's supposed not to work	[18:46]
asciilifeform	jurov: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' 'don't do that.'	[18:46]
asciilifeform	think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	hand-cranking rsa, brass gears...	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	what's this, de loyola's calvinism ?	[18:48]
jurov	let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then	[18:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share	[19:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.19 = 7.03 BTC [-]	[19:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share	[19:04]
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asciilifeform	http://i.imgur.com/z44bhed.png << people asked about this, a few times, at various times. and herr corkami has good schoolbook picture of it.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	excellent pic yes	[19:18]
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thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2g862t/is_safellocom_legit_or_a_scam_deadterra_aka/	[19:22]
assbot	Is Safello.com legit or a scam? DeadTerra, aka Ludvig berg : Bitcoin	[19:22]
ben_vulpes	buenos dias cryptoleros	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	ola	[19:24]
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thestringpuller	For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin.	[19:27]
thestringpuller	E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time.	[19:27]
thestringpuller	No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	if you like timelocks, just lose N bits of private key.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	pick an N that sends you grinding, on what hardware you can obtain, for Y year.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	solved...	[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist.	[19:41]
RagnarDanneskjol	hah	[19:42]
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jurov	they want to be the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it"	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	oh that	[19:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.185 = 0.555 BTC [-] {2}	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	!up chalbersma_	[20:14]
-assbot-	You voiced chalbersma_ for 30 minutes.	[20:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol	i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest	[20:17]
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chalbersma	Indeed this is so.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma didja mine a block on it ?	[20:17]
chalbersma	Yep	[20:17]
chalbersma	https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/00000000000003c05190392334fee4ba09a4f270aedcc9af1a8fe1aba97486c2	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	okay, what do you need ?	[20:18]
chalbersma	Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :)	[20:18]
RagnarDanneskjol	or IF	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	no reason for it to be awkward.	[20:19]
RagnarDanneskjol	i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY	[20:19]
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chalbersma	If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	lol let the guy get paid what.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma ad to what ?	[20:21]
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chalbersma	Whatever anon ads plays.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	me looks at ben_vulpes	[20:22]
RagnarDanneskjol	ha	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma what's this going to be running on ?	[20:22]
chalbersma	I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	if your idea of private is cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com...	[20:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	digi ocean	[20:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	is what I got	[20:23]
chalbersma	Ahh not so private :)	[20:23]
chalbersma	Well cat's out of the bag.	[20:23]
chalbersma	http://72.135.98.192:8559/static/	[20:24]
assbot	P2Pool	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol what's that cost ?	[20:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	1gb RAM is 10-15/month. I'll cover it	[20:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	might get 3 GB	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	you want an add too ? :))	[20:25]
RagnarDanneskjol	no, I am fine thank	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma okay, you can have the .2, but i'd rather not ad the thing up, so.	[20:26]
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mircea_popescu	chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway	[20:36]
chalbersma	True ads don't exactly pay a lot of money.	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	so, your address ?	[20:36]
chalbersma	Let me generate one for this transaction.	[20:37]
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chalbersma	1MZUhKVwnfGBjKm7gHSqv6WpNNBWfd8Rdy	[20:39]
chalbersma	I'll start working with Ragnar to get it setup.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	;;ident	[20:41]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	;;ident chalbersma	[20:42]
gribble	Nick 'chalbersma', with hostmask 'chalbersma!~chalbersm@cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'chalbersma', with GPG key id 9573FF79F1219C3D, key fingerprint 85647E97624587E9B7028E8A9573FF79F1219C3D, and bitcoin address 1Ec2L4nN7yGmX69V3Hkw3qfZpaxrMZjZqT	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	;;rated chalbersma	[20:42]
gribble	You rated user chalbersma on Wed Sep 10 23:17:00 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood..	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	;;rated chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.	[20:42]
gribble	(rated ) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to , if any.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	;;rate chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.	[20:42]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user chalbersma has changed from 1 to 2.	[20:42]
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chalbersma	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 "Client for ATC p2pool Implementation"	[20:53]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	you don't need the quotes i dont think	[20:53]
chalbersma	;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Client Contact and Recruiter for ATC P2pool Implementation	[20:53]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2.	[20:53]
chalbersma	Future refference.	[20:53]
chalbersma	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Client for ATC p2pool Implementation	[20:54]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 2 to 2.	[20:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	droplet is set and ready to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on this today?	[20:54]
chalbersma	That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today.	[20:55]
chalbersma	Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool?	[20:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38812 @ 0.00005 = 1.9406 BTC [-] {2}	[20:56]
RagnarDanneskjol	the one you set up i assume	[20:56]
chalbersma	Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen.	[20:57]
RagnarDanneskjol	well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	chalbersma bingoboingo's.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	and i'll have x-rob point his miner to it once you're all set up too	[20:58]
chalbersma	Okay I'll grab his address when we get to that stage.	[21:00]
chalbersma	Pleasure doing buisness guys. I'll be on in a few hours.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	!up skinnkavaj	[21:02]
-assbot-	You voiced skinnkavaj for 30 minutes.	[21:02]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/	[21:02]
assbot	August ATC Results \| Bingo Blog	[21:02]
skinnkavaj	The truth is out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780481.msg8806758#msg8806758	[21:02]
assbot	Read before investing in SuperNet ICO	[21:02]
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RagnarDanneskjol	i would check with him to be sure address is up to date	[21:03]
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RagnarDanneskjol	maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?	[21:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	atc address i mean	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	It ought to be http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV	[21:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	thanks	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 recruiter	[21:06]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.	[21:06]
RagnarDanneskjol	whatever	[21:06]
BingoBoingo	;;rate chalbersma 1 pool op	[21:06]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded.	[21:06]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/13/a-reversal-of-odds/	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway	[21:14]
skinnkavaj	mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	"Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer – There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[21:14]
skinnkavaj	mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is	[21:19]
skinnkavaj	good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.	[21:19]
BingoBoingo	http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/stargazing/article2086784.html	[21:20]
assbot	Sarah Palin and family reportedly involved in party brawl in Alaska \| The Kansas City Star	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved.	[21:20]
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mircea_popescu	!up xean64	[21:20]
-assbot-	You voiced xean64 for 30 minutes.	[21:20]
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fluffypony	wait what did I miss	[21:21]
fluffypony	oh jesus don't these people have something better to do	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D	[21:22]
fluffypony	here is fine	[21:22]
fluffypony	bitcointalk is poison	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway, some altcoin drama, dunno.	[21:22]
fluffypony	yup	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	after eth got away with it, everyone's claiming 10k bitcoins	[21:23]
fluffypony	"XXXXXXXcoin is a scam!"	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	it's the new 2weeks	[21:23]
fluffypony	"nowayz, dev is amazing and shits solid platinum"	[21:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:23]
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fluffypony	"I heard dev is actually Bin Laden reincarnated"	[21:23]
fluffypony	"no wayz lets argue"	[21:23]
fluffypony	summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education	[21:23]
fluffypony	hah hah	[21:24]
fluffypony	then they become "developers" from kahn academy	[21:24]
fluffypony	you know what I find that's REALLY interesting	[21:24]
fluffypony	there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have failed at holding a job IRL	[21:25]
fluffypony	they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life	[21:25]
fluffypony	but they can code...a little	[21:25]
fluffypony	so they become altcoin "developers"	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america.	[21:25]
fluffypony	and push out a little code	[21:25]
fluffypony	and the forum worships them	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all	[21:26]
fluffypony	yeah true	[21:28]
fluffypony	it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014	[21:28]
fluffypony	where errrrrone has iPads	[21:28]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/	[21:29]
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-tomaw-	[Global Notice] Some have pointed out that it might have been useful if I had told you HOW to update your passwords. Use /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD (without the <>). Thanks!	[21:32]
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ben_vulpes	i have better things to do	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[22:08]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 478.91, Best ask: 479.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 479.74, 24 hour volume: 5929.20561664, 24 hour low: 467.43, 24 hour high: 480.1, 24 hour vwap: 475.750347777	[22:09]
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kakobrekla	;;isup bitbet.us	[22:15]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[22:15]
kakobrekla	for now.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ?	[22:15]
kakobrekla	blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[22:17]
kakobrekla	dc basically said we dun care.	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	!up ceger	[22:18]
-assbot-	You voiced ceger for 30 minutes.	[22:18]
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ceger	thx?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	who are you and what brings you here ?	[22:19]
ceger	good questions	[22:19]
ceger	nobody and every other chan is dead lol	[22:19]
justusranvier	Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	ceger works.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy	[22:20]
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justusranvier	mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower	[22:21]
gribble	In Memory of Frank Zappa - Dillsnap Cogitations - WordPress.com: ; Gazprom Ready To Drop Dollar, Settle China Contracts In Yuan Or ...: ; Steely Dan Lyrics:	[22:21]
chetty	http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-in-global-warming/	[22:21]
assbot	List of excuses for ‘The Pause’ in global warming \| Watts Up With That?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	and it only cost like twenny bux, too.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	chetty "the HockeySchtick" lol	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1570 @ 0.000598 = 0.9389 BTC [-]	[22:23]
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chetty	skyn?	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	51) If our models could time-travel back in time, “we could have forecast ‘the pause’ – if we had the tools of the future back then” [NCAR press release]	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"	[22:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4400 @ 0.00059895 = 2.6354 BTC [+] {2}	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/cYNMGcy.jpg	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	fap. not a word, a deed.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	also, that is NOT what a family is for fucks sake. what is this, PREFIX instead of POSTFIX alternative universe ?	[22:35]
kakobrekla	your family name is mircea or popescu ?	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	popescu	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	nice to meet you mr brekla	[22:39]
kakobrekla	:p	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	!up maximian	[22:39]
-assbot-	You voiced maximian for 30 minutes.	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	ow shit, only now i get it.	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	omfg kakobrekla you are banned from jokes.	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	shit, bitbet is still online. what sort of scam ddos is this even	[22:42]
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kakobrekla	well its not over till its over.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	what is ever over.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	even the ipad... they're still making "new models"	[22:51]
kakobrekla	lyfe!	[22:51]
chetty	who has order their apple leash ..err watch?	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	im saving my money for the apple cockring	[22:53]
kakobrekla	thats 3 watches in bridge mode ?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	lol]	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--BwgnoQA8--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D	[22:55]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:55]
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mircea_popescu	;;isdown bitbet.us	[22:57]
gribble	Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	;;isitdown bitbet.us	[22:57]
gribble	bitbet.us is down	[22:57]
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kakobrekla	i see	[22:57]
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kakobrekla	;;isitdown bitbet.us	[22:58]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[22:58]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.35161486 BTC. Current weight: 84,859.	[22:58]
*	mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed	[22:59]
chetty	what he ran out of hamsters?	[22:59]
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kakobrekla	lol	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	steampunk server.	[23:00]
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fluffypony	this is just begging to be turned into an altcoin	[23:12]
fluffypony	SteampunkCoin	[23:12]
fluffypony	Proof of Burn (Coal and/or Wood only please)	[23:12]
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kakobrekla	down for another minute.	[23:20]
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mircea_popescu	actually, socialmedia spamcoin could be an idea.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	mining constists of creating sm accounts.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	if nothing else, asic-resistant by design	[23:24]
kakobrekla	and up again.	[23:25]
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fluffypony	soooo	[23:52]
fluffypony	has everyone changed their password?	[23:52]
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