Forum logs for 09 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mats http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Sources-We-were-pressured-to-weaken-the-mobile-security-in-the-80s-7413285.html << some engineers finally come out with the story [00:08]
assbot Sources: We were pressured to weaken the mobile security in the 80's - Aftenposten ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETqn2f ) [00:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Damn it, you got me looking at TI-92's nao [00:08]
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asciilifeform mats: ancient news [00:18]
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ben_vulpes "struggle session" << anyone have any decent literature? the only thing i can recall offhand is the book White Swans. [00:35]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: On that topic truly useful literature is going to be elusive [00:37]
ben_vulpes wild swans, i mean. [00:37]
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mircea_popescu mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision [00:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what's your definition of decency ? [00:54]
BingoBoingo Decency == Bare Cunt, Big Nipples [00:55]
ben_vulpes primary sources ideally, first generation translations would be nice. [00:56]
ben_vulpes oh yeah and can't make modern readers think too hard about their own versions [00:57]
mircea_popescu ;;google 镇压反革命 [00:58]
gribble Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Campanha de repressão aos contrarrevolucionários – Wikipédia, a ...: ; September 2015 | prchistory.org: (1 more message) [00:58]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? [01:14]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet password lists. ESPEC [01:15]
mircea_popescu IALLY seeing how the fucktarded implementation of "accounts" etc pretty much ensures everyone will be using multiplew wallets. [01:15]
assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 02:38:55; mircea_popescu: in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation, [01:15]
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pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqfjiuqVrV4 << when usg says "jump," gates jumps ! [01:18]
assbot Bill Gates jumping over a chair like a gangster - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ox8INT ) [01:18]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? << He only needs format comptibility [01:19]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265774 << I hack it using the parenscript REPL you can find in the Masamune repository. Mozrepl (the basis) provides some very rudimentary debugging facities that tbh, I almost never use due to a burning hatred of js and no reason to ever sharpen that edge of the blade. [01:24]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 23:21:26; trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Conkeror has made its way into daily use; JS debugging tips? Best thing providing a JS REPL in Emacs? [01:24]
gabriel_laddel Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... [01:26]
gabriel_laddel Something like 40% of the conkeror js translates to PS without signaling conditions using the included js->ps transpiler. [01:27]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265693 << nifty [01:27]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 21:39:45; ascii_field: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp' [01:27]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265781 << I lol'd [01:29]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 23:28:45; trinque: davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? [01:29]
BingoBoingo Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... << How is "improving:" and not "killing" the word here [01:34]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267085 << the famished take self-funded sabbaticals now ? not that mats is wealthy, but eating wallpaper he ain't. [01:34]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 02:24:59; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience [01:34]
pete_dushenski though, yes, to be sure, hunger can make a man crazy. [01:35]
pete_dushenski though i have to say, asciilifeform, for a starved man, you think mighty clearly. [01:35]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards. [01:36]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Sharp blades excise tumors like javascript [01:36]
gabriel_laddel whatever [01:36]
gabriel_laddel e.g., scriping combinations of browser movements, OCR routines and X windows level key-presses together for data mining [01:37]
gabriel_laddel there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js [01:37]
gabriel_laddel just hack parenscript (which compiles down to JS) [01:37]
gabriel_laddel you get macros etc. [01:37]
BingoBoingo Scripting web content ought to entirely be the user's choice [01:39]
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gabriel_laddel ? [01:39]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzIXy-oFlU << if anything is microaggression, this is it. unambiguously directed yet so far from lethal it's laughable. [01:39]
assbot Hungarian camerawoman fired after intentionally kicking, tripping refugees - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxbRxc ) [01:39]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I don't think you have context here [01:40]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: A page is a document. Why should anyone other than the user impose any scripts upon the text? [01:40]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: because I want your information pl0x and I'm not going to ask nicely. [01:41]
BingoBoingo Because FUCK YOU. Few things are worse than a textbooks with highlights already [01:41]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: it is quite obvious that I've poorly expressed exactly why the web interface for Masamune exists. [01:42]
gabriel_laddel I don't know wtf textbook highlighting has to do with anything [01:43]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: You have to understand I am appraoching this as a trained Librarian. Scripting is at best a form of highlighting (never a reason for broswerscript or postscript to be turing complete) Everything else it does is vandalism [01:44]
gabriel_laddel nah, you've got it backwards [01:44]
gabriel_laddel the correct model is that you never have a DSL or "mini-language" [01:45]
gabriel_laddel the full power of the machine should be yours, at all times [01:45]
gabriel_laddel Want to launch a 3D visualization from a button press in the back of the settings menu? Sure, why not. [01:45]
BingoBoingo Who are you pointing "yours" at? [01:45]
gabriel_laddel He who wields Masamune, a loper device, lispm etc. [01:46]
BingoBoingo I'm just wondering who at all should have to eat javascript asbestos to become a Great Red Dragon of the Information age. [01:47]
punkman and what's wrong with notation/dsl/mini-languages? [01:47]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: Enough with the almost analogies already. They're an escape hatch to nowhere. [01:48]
BingoBoingo Fuck You Imma Dragon. [01:48]
gabriel_laddel punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. [01:49]
gabriel_laddel one sec, thinking of an example... [01:49]
BingoBoingo This Dragon says No Javascript or experiance famine [01:49]
BingoBoingo punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. << In nearly every case a 3rd part gives you code you don't want a full language. You want a plainly crippled language. [01:50]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: wrong wrong wrong, study more [01:50]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: If I want to print pretty papers I don't need, want, or desire turing complete postscript [01:51]
trinque not until you do [01:51]
gabriel_laddel punkman: the problem with creating "DSLs" in ALGOL is that you end up losing M-. (jump to definition) and any ability you may have had to interact with the AST of the previous programming language (read: the actual language, as it is the thing that contains all the semantics) when you change the syntax [01:51]
trinque better to be able to extend your DSL at will [01:51]
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gabriel_laddel punkman: the whole DSL thing doesn't have a name in lisp because it isn't needed [01:52]
gabriel_laddel "Here are some abstractions, solve the problem." The end [01:52]
BingoBoingo The entire point of domain specific languages is shutting opportunities to drop turds everywhere out [01:53]
punkman gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english" [01:53]
gabriel_laddel punkman: have you tried lisp yet? [01:53]
trinque BingoBoingo: dunno bout that; isn't it to model your problem in clear terms? [01:53]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: thins can all be done at the UI level [01:54]
BingoBoingo trinque: Yes, and almost always my problem is reading some fucking text [01:54]
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trinque !up refferedbyloper [01:54]
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trinque speak mortal! [01:54]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: hide it all behind Super-Meta-click and leave the rest to Congnition Stratifies(TM) [01:54]
punkman gabriel_laddel: I haven't because I don't wanna emacs [01:54]
gabriel_laddel punkman: okay, okay [01:55]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: No, You don't fucking make XML [01:55]
gabriel_laddel punkman: so when you create a new format or something in ALGOL you have to create a new parser right? [01:55]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: meh, I'm done here, read more or something [01:55]
gabriel_laddel punkman: and everytime this happens you need all new tooling for this new language, right? [01:56]
gabriel_laddel because you can't "get at" the AST, because that isn't how people naively write parsers. [01:56]
gabriel_laddel so, this doesn't happen in lisp because everything IS it's own AST, as is. [01:56]
gabriel_laddel http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-6-2-1 << check the image here out [01:57]
assbot A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxemzJ ) [01:57]
gabriel_laddel now, that AST (in blue) can be mapped, with no loss of information to the "lisp" (s-expression) under it: (/ (* (+ 3 2) 8) (* 3 (^ 3 6))) [01:58]
trinque gabriel_laddel: nice "hey look we invented lisp" at the beginning there [01:58]
gabriel_laddel punkman: When you hack lisp, everything "deals in" (modifies, returns) these structures. [01:58]
gabriel_laddel so you never have to write another parser [01:58]
gabriel_laddel and all your tooling always works [01:58]
gabriel_laddel because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs [01:59]
gabriel_laddel which you already speak, because you're lisping [01:59]
gabriel_laddel trinque: at the beginning of (I'd assume "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem" but don't see it there)? [02:01]
trinque gabriel_laddel: just the bit about how if we don't make all these assumptions about order of operations, and arrange things sensibly, we've got sexps [02:01]
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gabriel_laddel trinque: Oh. [02:02]
trinque I taught someone a bit of scheme recently (alongside SICP) and used roughly that approach. [02:03]
BingoBoingo What part of the utterance "Fuck You" is formal enough to be an sexpr [02:03]
trinque started with math, said "what if we didn't have any order of operations except those explicitly stated, and also "wtf re: infix anyway?" [02:03]
trinque student got it just fine [02:03]
gabriel_laddel yeah [02:04]
gabriel_laddel nothing particularly challenging about it [02:04]
BingoBoingo Human language contains ambiguities, Machine languages are formal, why try to bin them together entirely? [02:04]
trinque gabriel_laddel: not at all; they've already learned more syntax via basic algebra [02:04]
gabriel_laddel good for them [02:05]
trinque BingoBoingo: not sure I hear the question [02:05]
gabriel_laddel trinque: hey guess what [02:05]
gabriel_laddel trinque: I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc [02:05]
trinque neato [02:05]
gabriel_laddel and figured out how to get and eval maxima ASTs [02:05]
BingoBoingo trinque: No question, FYIAD [02:05]
gabriel_laddel Partially through translating the imaxima LaTeX stuff such that you can take a maxima AST, view it as LaTeX, maxima syntax or lisp all at the CLIM listener. [02:06]
trinque BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary [02:06]
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trinque gabriel_laddel: sounds very nice [02:06]
gabriel_laddel Reader macros also allow you to deal with syntax mechanically for whatever it's worth. [02:07]
trinque I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit [02:07]
BingoBoingo Parse less of everything. [02:07]
trinque never found a use for them in my own code to date [02:07]
gabriel_laddel trinque: reader macros or macros? [02:07]
trinque haven't used either for anything aside from regular macros to make some stumpwm config prettier [02:08]
gabriel_laddel ah [02:08]
trinque and that was more or less looking for a reason [02:08]
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* BingoBoingo wonders when unblemished text became the problem. [02:16]
BingoBoingo WHy do such things need parsed by machine? [02:16]
trinque no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. [02:18]
BingoBoingo When did graphs in D3 become essential and not luxuries [02:18]
trinque XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much [02:18]
BingoBoingo no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. << And at what point should barin authored text end and machine authored text begin? [02:19]
trinque in my opinion one is a subset of the other [02:19]
trinque supposing your syntax has a "here be dragons" token [02:19]
gabriel_laddel "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminating to go a littl [02:19]
gabriel_laddel e bit further back, to the Middle Ages. One of its characteristics was that 'reasoning by analogy' was rampant; another characteristic was almost total intellectual stagnation, and we now see why the two go together. A reason for mentioning this is to point out that, by developing a keen ear for unwarranted analogies, one can detect a lot of medieval thinking today." -- https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/ [02:19]
gabriel_laddel EWD10xx/EWD1036.html [02:19]
BingoBoingo XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much << It is, and When gabriel_laddel talks massamune unfortunately I read XML or XML with paren [02:19]
trinque we shall see; guy hasn't released anything yet and signed his name thereupon [02:20]
BingoBoingo But even in LISP people there is a divide between machine language and "people" language. One can not adequately enjoy the lamentations of enemy women in machine language [02:21]
gabriel_laddel I cut 3 paragraphs from that quote, which are quite relevent to this conversation. [02:21]
BingoBoingo dpaste? deedbot? [02:21]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I swear to you that you can input arbitrary strings in LISP. [02:22]
trinque "here be dragons" was poetic license for that [02:22]
trinque any grammar can just say "here's the header, here's the footer, go nuts kid" [02:22]
BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtXZScvbdcs [02:22]
assbot Lil Debbie - LOFTY - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oxipfe ) [02:22]
trinque you know... like strings [02:22]
gabriel_laddel trinque: lol, we understand each other. BingoBoingo doesn't though. [02:23]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: But at some point people want to put arbitray string on their own. [02:23]
trinque nothing can be on its own [02:23]
BingoBoingo The point where you decide to eat javascript is the point you go coprophilliac for satan [02:23]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: why take my (or anyone else's) word for it, spin up an SBCL REPL. [02:24]
gabriel_laddel apt-get install sbcl or whatever. [02:24]
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BingoBoingo Cutting HTML, markdown, or postscript to bare text is fine. Cutting javascript to OMGWTFBBQ 3D graphs but translated is the devil incarnate. [02:25]
BingoBoingo If you catch the devil hold him close for you shall not catch him again. [02:25]
trinque are we talking about the web here? [02:26]
trinque or generally that there should be more text-only content? [02:26]
trinque I would agree that where the written word is concerned, please do not give me a single-page JS app [02:26]
gabriel_laddel trinque: he is discussing nope.js, the javascript to parenscript transpiler [02:26]
BingoBoingo trinque: I am referring to the latter in reference to gabriel_laddel's assertion javascript should be parsed at all. [02:26]
gabriel_laddel (partially complete) [02:26]
trinque mein gott [02:26]
gabriel_laddel (it does an old version of JS) [02:27]
BingoBoingo No version of JS is acceptable [02:27]
BingoBoingo No version of postscript is acceptable either unless read with eyes and generated with TeX under careful watch with rifle at hand. [02:28]
gabriel_laddel srsly gtfo [02:28]
BingoBoingo Srsly we are dealing with the devil and his works [02:28]
trinque the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow [02:29]
trinque I tend to lean the way deedbot.org looks [02:29]
pete_dushenski http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell." [02:29]
assbot A white guy named Michael couldn’t get his poem published. Then he became Yi-Fen Chou. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tS81 ) [02:29]
BingoBoingo I'm not about to feed nytimes.com into anything that would do other than discard its JS [02:29]
trinque but I've written some parenscript and it worked fine, and kept my brain from having context-switch fatigue [02:29]
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trinque the languages are close enough that it's really just an alternate JS syntax; not like you're compiling haskell to JS [02:31]
punkman trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view. [02:31]
trinque the JS output is entirely readable [02:31]
trinque punkman: yeah well I don't start with boil the ocean [02:31]
trinque but that'd be cool. [02:31]
BingoBoingo trinque: I may be drunk so I may not have started my objections at the right place. Whatever code you privately jizz onto servers is yours. Code you try to make other people execute is a crime. [02:31]
trinque now that's a place to begin talking. [02:31]
BingoBoingo punkman: I'm liking Dillo a lot. [02:32]
trinque BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind [02:32]
gabriel_laddel punkman: trinque: the idea here is to use nope.js on conkeror, which is written in js [02:33]
BingoBoingo trinque: Than do as I do, and don't run it. [02:33]
trinque indeed. [02:33]
gabriel_laddel it does about 40% right now [02:33]
gabriel_laddel needs some love [02:33]
trinque gabriel_laddel: yeah that immediately pissed me off [02:33]
trinque expected lisp in conkeror, then... sadness [02:33]
gabriel_laddel scripting it with PS sucks unless it is the "base layer" of the UI [02:34]
gabriel_laddel which will take some work [02:34]
BingoBoingo What is nope.js and how does it differ from mozilla pdf.js???? Why trust any javascript runtime? [02:34]
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gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: nope.js is the name of the transpiler [02:34]
punkman gabriel_laddel: well even if you can translate all the worl'ds js to lisp, I still don't want any JS [02:34]
trinque BingoBoingo: he's talking about in the sort of XUL layer, if I understand firefox [02:34]
BingoBoingo Yet you still write it in JS??? [02:34]
BingoBoingo trinque: And that's a problem [02:34]
gabriel_laddel punkman: there isn't really anyway out of that [02:35]
gabriel_laddel unless I'm missing something big [02:35]
BingoBoingo Zool is not a container, it is another devil. [02:35]
gabriel_laddel my plan is to OCR + script the fuck out of the web [02:35]
gabriel_laddel we shall see how it goes [02:35]
gabriel_laddel building tesseract atm [02:35]
BingoBoingo Fuck it, lets pass around javascript turds as FLAC files so we can infect our machines with cassette tapes [02:36]
trinque I'm actually on-board that hypertext shouldn't specify executable code within [02:37]
punkman I think youtube-dl has the right idea. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl [02:37]
trinque maybe it's got some data structure in it that has various "viewers" [02:37]
assbot rg3/youtube-dl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0uw5t ) [02:37]
gabriel_laddel trinque: presentation methods!? [02:37]
trinque gabriel_laddel: yeah that [02:37]
trinque CLIMweb when? [02:37]
gabriel_laddel wtf is this hypertext [02:37]
gabriel_laddel why "web" [02:37]
trinque gabriel_laddel: hypertext is a word. [02:37]
gabriel_laddel just programs with networking functionality [02:37]
trinque has a very useful meaning. [02:38]
gabriel_laddel what, every MMORPG is a "web" too? [02:38]
trinque no, hypertext is not that [02:38]
gabriel_laddel trinque: it does? [02:38]
trinque oh stop, there were hypertext systems on general [02:38]
punkman hypertext is term of art [02:38]
trinque *genera [02:38]
gabriel_laddel trinque: they didn't do *everything* correctly, but yes. [02:38]
gabriel_laddel maxima has it's own syntax, for example. [02:38]
trinque point being! [02:39]
gabriel_laddel but I want the AST! [02:39]
trinque this hypertext thing has massively worked out [02:39]
trinque don't be stupid and ignore that [02:39]
trinque because the browser is shit [02:39]
gabriel_laddel why not use presentations? [02:39]
gabriel_laddel I don't get why I need another language? [02:39]
gabriel_laddel here are some objects, display them. "OK" [02:39]
trinque don't care what you use; give me a universal reference to *THAT* concept [02:39]
trinque and let me point at your concepts and make reference to them on *my* thing [02:40]
trinque in the don't-call-it-hypertext [02:40]
gabriel_laddel You want Super-Meta-Click IMHO [02:40]
gabriel_laddel one sec [02:40]
gabriel_laddel finding link [02:40]
trinque hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. [02:41]
trinque you don't just write in isolation; you write in a vast context of interrelated concepts [02:41]
trinque so no, I don't think "run lisp program and open socket" is enough [02:42]
trinque mabye we're all running the same lisp program, but you have to have a space within which (distributed CLOS??) the thing we're doing poorly on the www can be done better [02:43]
gabriel_laddel Sure, I send you a sexpr containing a program you can load. [02:43]
gabriel_laddel dunno what else you could possibly want, other than sane 3D etc. [02:43]
trinque how did I know I want your program? [02:44]
gabriel_laddel the "scaffolding" will evolve as you go [02:44]
gabriel_laddel WoTnet. [02:44]
trinque which is composed of what structure [02:44]
trinque meaning. today I google some nonsense and google gives me my propagandized results [02:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267215 transpiller should totally be a word. [02:45]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 04:35:09; gabriel_laddel: there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js [02:45]
mircea_popescu it spills trans. [02:45]
BingoBoingo it spills trans. << I though that was called prison??? [02:45]
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trinque damn socialists spilling trans everywhere [02:45]
gabriel_laddel trinque: so someone could write and distribute a "~google search" that looks over the CLIM streams of all GUIs it knows about. [02:46]
mircea_popescu alternatively it could be transpieler. where you play with the tran. [02:46]
trinque right, that thing is necessary [02:46]
gabriel_laddel if you don't like it, well, you've got the sexprs right there [02:46]
mircea_popescu also i would like to point out that sex needs no pr. [02:46]
trinque wahaha [02:46]
trinque getting rather well known [02:47]
BingoBoingo hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. << Seriously there is a specific harmless language or subset of language necessary for playing the presentation role. Something that by it's Phoosis can be presented safely [02:47]
trinque I see what's asked for there. [02:47]
trinque and on the other end, gabriel_laddel will tell you that's a (small) subset of his lispy metaverse [02:47]
mircea_popescu the drunk to cereal interaction is very golden. [02:48]
trinque gabriel_laddel: what of gentlemen like BingoBoingo that want to write and link things [02:48]
BingoBoingo For safety though it should not be a part of that, but merely interpreted through a progam in that [02:48]
gabriel_laddel trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? [02:48]
trinque in what space do these links exist? what are they addressing? so on so on [02:48]
gabriel_laddel trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. [02:48]
trinque dunno that you see or perhaps don't value the problem the web did solve [02:48]
BingoBoingo trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? << I am a librarian, a collector. I want to collect information without collecting a bunch of executable rat turds [02:49]
trinque seems to me you end up with another browser [02:49]
BingoBoingo trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. << NO, this is developing separate universes [02:49]
gabriel_laddel trinque: the whole lispm is a "browser" if you go that direction with words. [02:49]
trinque "you can do anything at zombocom" is not why the web blew up [02:49]
trinque it blew up because it was absurdly simple [02:49]
gabriel_laddel that browser (to me) means strictly JS+CSS+HTML [02:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather than data i'd have gpg rewritten to a thing that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it : there is no room nor need for every bit of text to be "really code". i want my nano to be UNABLE to do anything whatsoever with the text. which is why i use nano rather than emacs. [02:50]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 04:51:28; punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english" [02:50]
mircea_popescu if i want it to be able to do things with the text, then yes i want full ast bla bla. [02:50]
BingoBoingo Executable things can go in the Lispy read, sign, check signatures, and execute world. Documents need to be in the don't give a fuck read the derp and laugh universe [02:50]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion [02:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion << FUCK YOU IMMA DRAGON [02:51]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. [02:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. << AND yet you Hearnia around the details [02:51]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I do? [02:51]
trinque ^ guy is just more interested in his lisp system than a particular app on it. I contend the mega-app on any computer now and in the future will be a hypertext system. [02:52]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: The difference between what you do now and what Mike Hearn does is 2013 and 2015. Mike Hearn knew his mission was to destroy through evangalism. You may no that, you may not but that is still your net effect. [02:52]
trinque because that's what language always was [02:52]
gabriel_laddel I fucking write "apps" for it now, for money. [02:52]
gabriel_laddel it isnt' a big deal [02:53]
gabriel_laddel just do it [02:53]
BingoBoingo For a while I did girls for money, was a huge hassel, not worth it, because the girls were huge. Giggolo is a dead end. [02:53]
trinque lol [02:54]
BingoBoingo Seriously are we channeling Nike shoe slogans here, Just do it? [02:54]
BingoBoingo AND I am the one using ambiguous metaphores??? [02:54]
trinque a safe hypertext system could easily be tossing sepxrs over the wire with *no* code, just piles of data [02:55]
pete_dushenski "[Damon] Wayans defended [Bill] Cosby. Among his comments: “I don’t believe he was raping. I think he was in relationships with all of them.” “If you listen to them talk, they go: ‘Well, the first time.’ The first time? Bitch, how many times did it happen?” [02:55]
pete_dushenski “Some of them, really, is un-rapeable. I look at them and go, ‘No, you don’t want that.'” “If it was my daughter, then I would have killed Bill Cosby. But sitting back looking at it, I think it’s a money hustle.” [02:55]
trinque various presentations for various kinds of data yes, one of them a link [02:55]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval* to nil" meh. this works in the same sense "provable code" works. in academia. [02:55]
mircea_popescu you won't have a leakless pipe, ever. [02:55]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: well by that token, the same stands for nano [02:55]
mircea_popescu mno. [02:55]
mircea_popescu nano isn't a pipe. [02:55]
mircea_popescu and if it is fouind behaving like a pipe it gets shot in the head. [02:56]
mircea_popescu whereas your thing is only maybe shot in the head if found leaking. [02:56]
mircea_popescu very different standards these. [02:56]
gabriel_laddel how many LoC is nano? [02:56]
gabriel_laddel vs. SBCL? [02:56]
gabriel_laddel SBCL is 400k [02:56]
gabriel_laddel or thereabouts [02:56]
mircea_popescu ;;google how many loc is nano [02:56]
gribble Microservices? What about Nanoservices? - InfoQ: ; Nanotron Technologies GmbH - Transceivers: ; Máy lọc nước Nano, Nhập khẩu Nhật Bản 100% chính hãng ...: [02:56]
mircea_popescu heh. google is so useful seriously. [02:56]
mircea_popescu no wonder they stopped working on search to develop... what the fuck is it they do these days again ? [02:57]
trinque surveillance apparatus as far as I can tell [02:57]
gabriel_laddel self driving cars [02:57]
trinque o that [02:57]
trinque I count that under "ad company" [02:57]
trinque as in, google does self-driving cars and definitely not surveillance [02:57]
trinque though I guess that's getting them into the assassination gig [02:57]
pete_dushenski google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field, then mothballs and leaves a competitive void [02:58]
trinque gabriel_laddel: if I don't know you, I may still want to listen to you for a moment, to see what you're about [02:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @#64; 0.00075661 = 8.6254 BTC [+] [02:58]
gabriel_laddel trinque: ? [02:58]
trinque why should I have to run a program *of yours* at all to get certain information from you? [02:59]
gabriel_laddel you shouldn't. [02:59]
trinque I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations [02:59]
BingoBoingo how many LoC is nano? << a large portion is what those LOC do [02:59]
gabriel_laddel holy fuck, bind *read-eval* to nil [02:59]
gabriel_laddel then read in the string [02:59]
gabriel_laddel the end [02:59]
gabriel_laddel "Do I like this string, would I like more from the identity that produced it?" [03:00]
gabriel_laddel and airgap [03:00]
gabriel_laddel dunno what I'm missing here [03:00]
BingoBoingo I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles. [03:00]
BingoBoingo dunno what I'm missing here << All of the shit you want to hinge on this [03:00]
* gabriel_laddel will find nano LoC stats *after* I find the quote I am looking for. [03:00]
BingoBoingo Right now we plainly live on C machines. [03:01]
trinque anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. [03:01]
BingoBoingo anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. << Gopher is beautiful [03:01]
trinque and that I can see is readily built on a proper lisp system [03:01]
trinque BingoBoingo: yeah I recall it [03:02]
trinque strict about the URL structure or w/e it was, isn't it? [03:02]
trinque has some concept of menu [03:02]
* trinque looks [03:02]
BingoBoingo Very strict [03:02]
mircea_popescu the lulz being that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want this file displayed or executed ?" [03:04]
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mircea_popescu this should never be a possible question. [03:04]
BingoBoingo Seriously [03:04]
mircea_popescu and no, it's not ok to take the windows route and just execute everything. [03:05]
BingoBoingo I have not seen a graphical WWW browser other than Dillo that does not execute any documents. [03:05]
mircea_popescu links [03:05]
mircea_popescu and, of course, curl. that golden standard of all browsers [03:05]
mircea_popescu FOR THIS REASON [03:05]
BingoBoingo Links, lynx, and curl sure, but still how much ought these be trusted??? WIth their stinky libjpeg [03:06]
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mircea_popescu neither displays jpegs anyway [03:06]
gabriel_laddel trinque: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ [03:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoVPZc ) [03:07]
gabriel_laddel ^ quote I was looking for [03:07]
pete_dushenski https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-upkJ-O10HnE/UDVo-nADThI/AAAAAAAAITk/PPcqRRrAY_U/w800-h800/photo.jpg << dilbert on google. apt. [03:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoVUMg ) [03:08]
mircea_popescu ok this just beats all. [03:09]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/198EDMN [03:10]
assbot dpaste: 198EDMN ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS50ep ) [03:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Links displays images, Lynx is the one that doesn't [03:11]
trinque lolol and a facebook link [03:11]
mircea_popescu "angela", stop being a derp, we need chinese speakers for better jobs than mashing hands on keyboards to produce email addresses. [03:11]
mircea_popescu saddest waste of a log reading ever i swear. [03:11]
mircea_popescu "Singyue star, china". you know, like "rome, wisconsin". [03:12]
BingoBoingo Prolly less Obesity at least [03:12]
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mircea_popescu i'd expect. [03:12]
BingoBoingo Hard to get fat on plastic [03:12]
pete_dushenski i think the rice was paper now [03:13]
trinque gabriel_laddel: how do I refer to your CLOS object which represents a paper you have written? I would like to direct people to it from my CLOS object representing a blog post. [03:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @#64; 0.0007479 = 21.4647 BTC [-] {4} [03:13]
trinque this the web has, and it is why it blew up. [03:14]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, Chicoms are mixing US corn with polymer to make rice now. Cheapest option [03:14]
gabriel_laddel trinque: you call a program to display my paper? [03:14]
gabriel_laddel sorry, are you asking what the UI should look like? [03:14]
trinque no. [03:14]
gabriel_laddel or do you want a spec for how the "dispatch" occurs? [03:14]
BingoBoingo How does the flow look like [03:15]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: corn, obv. and paper too ! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265384 [03:15]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 17:43:24; fluffypony: damn the Chinese are getting desperate for profit: http://shanghaiist.com/2015/09/06/fake_paper_rice.php [03:15]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Ah, sorry. People make paper for cigarettes out of rice starch. [03:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora. [03:15]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 05:05:13; trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit [03:16]
gabriel_laddel ... [03:16]
mircea_popescu which is directly that, hair on someone else's shit (aka game server) [03:16]
mircea_popescu except deliberately so. [03:16]
gabriel_laddel trinque: Right now I can press C-t m, pull up a "map" of all "research nodes" and "lessons" and right click to get a menu from which I can run the associated program. [03:16]
trinque yep, that's sort of how I see them; this interface is butts, I would like to pretend it is not [03:16]
mircea_popescu (ie, that's the point of a game in the general sense : to not let you solve problems the obvious way. (which in this context would just be skill++ or something equivalent)) [03:16]
trinque gabriel_laddel: you will not have the whole internet on one machine! [03:17]
trinque what is the addressing mechanism for a world of clos objects? [03:17]
gabriel_laddel trinque: PGP identity with a list of programs to run. [03:17]
trinque I want to make reference to your information, not host it [03:17]
trinque no, not enough [03:17]
gabriel_laddel I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" [03:18]
gabriel_laddel or "here are the sources" [03:18]
mircea_popescu how about http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/#selection-41.0-41.15 [03:18]
assbot The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWpGf ) [03:18]
mircea_popescu that's reference enough [03:18]
trinque mircea_popescu: indeed! I don't think gabriel_laddel sees what hypertext is [03:19]
BingoBoingo I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" << Publication. Paper and film only have the problem that they are slow and take too much volume for their information density. Why should machines not offer a path at least as safe. [03:19]
mircea_popescu tbh this extended hypertext thing i got on trilema kicks all imaginable butt [03:19]
mircea_popescu 50 times a day i go for it on random sites and they're too web 0.5 for it [03:19]
trinque yep, and I wanna poke someone's data set with something that specific [03:19]
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trinque gabriel_laddel has a CLOS object which represents his number of slithey toves [03:20]
trinque and I want to make reference to that, not copy it [03:20]
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gabriel_laddel trinque: you can only make a reference with 'respect to me' [03:21]
gabriel_laddel using whatever criteria you'd like [03:21]
gabriel_laddel nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 [03:21]
trinque no that sucks [03:21]
trinque www wins still. [03:21]
gabriel_laddel trinque: this is how URLs work already. [03:21]
trinque ah well elaborate then [03:22]
FUIAD https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Reddragon.jpg/464px-Reddragon.jpg [03:22]
trinque define "with respect to me" [03:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWz0n ) [03:22]
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trinque gabriel_laddel: so you have your own addressing scheme [03:22]
FUIAD https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/William_Blake_003.jpg/487px-William_Blake_003.jpg [03:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWwS9 ) [03:22]
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trinque www also worked because HTTP [03:22]
trinque not your particular way of addressing things per server [03:22]
AndTheBeastFromT https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Blakebeast1bg.jpg/536px-Blakebeast1bg.jpg [03:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWA4j ) [03:23]
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gabriel_laddel trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them. Your "references" can be any arbitary computation, buut probably some standards will evolve (e.g., we don't check sexprs who pass some test of being a plist of the structure (:name ... :version ...)). [03:25]
gabriel_laddel where :name names the program, :version, the version [03:25]
gabriel_laddel it will evolve out of whatever the "networking" substrate ends up being and tbh, I don't see what the big deal is? [03:25]
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gabriel_laddel none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" [03:25]
BingoBoingo trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them... << It is essential for WoT to exist that I can safely point at the enemy's words and bury them in sulfur [03:26]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: yep. [03:26]
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gabriel_laddel "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" [03:26]
gabriel_laddel because morons. [03:26]
BingoBoingo But that means their publication MUST BE safe, crippled, non-executable characters [03:26]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: bind real eval to nil [03:27]
BingoBoingo "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" << No who cites XYZ is how you make rope to hang [03:27]
gabriel_laddel whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against [03:27]
gabriel_laddel you can hang whoever [03:27]
mircea_popescu nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 << win. srsly. [03:28]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: fuck you and your intuition about things [03:28]
gabriel_laddel ;) [03:28]
mircea_popescu lol [03:28]
trinque this whole email thing is a turd [03:28]
mircea_popescu it is a shade better than just intuition :) [03:29]
trinque spamassassin raping my VPS [03:29]
BingoBoingo whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against << FYIAD, I don't need structure: I eat, hang, and burn [03:29]
gabriel_laddel ;; ud FYIAD [03:29]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYIAD | Aug 26, 2007 ... Top Definition. FYIAD. Fuck You, I'm A Dragon Originated in some lame back-and -forth furry argument, but when you think about it, it's a good ... [03:29]
punkman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu [03:29]
assbot Project Xanadu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWQAi ) [03:29]
BingoBoingo spamassassin raping my VPS << I don't find email important enough to not outsource [03:29]
gabriel_laddel punkman: yeah, several people have dropped that link on me [03:30]
punkman required reading for anyone dabbling in hypertext [03:30]
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BingoBoingo For the record this is the original and only meaningful spec for hypertext, predates LISP by two decades https://archive.is/ezrwO [03:32]
assbot As We May Think - Vannevar Bush - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS7kSD ) [03:32]
punkman gabriel_laddel: yeah, don't be ted nelson :P [03:34]
ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: are you running Masamune in production? [03:35]
ben_vulpes "production"? [03:35]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: something like that [03:35]
BingoBoingo How can one even pretend to have a hypertext spec or its substitute without citing Vannevar Bush [03:36]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I did the project, they thought it had "too many options" so I'm cutting some out [03:36]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I should actually be cutting out options right now, but I'm instead drinking and browsing the net [03:36]
ben_vulpes how's masamune progressing? [03:36]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: slowly [03:36]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: you can use it iff you follow the guide [03:36]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time. [03:37]
ben_vulpes ah nifty. [03:38]
ben_vulpes what does 'master lisp proc' mean in this context? the lisp image you run continuously? [03:38]
gabriel_laddel yeah [03:38]
gabriel_laddel so I have CLIM etc [03:38]
gabriel_laddel for those of you who have not seen femlisp, MGL-MAT and MJR_CALC, the full nifty of this might not be readily apparent. [03:38]
gabriel_laddel all loaded in the same proc, all with access to BLAS, CUDA etc. [03:38]
mircea_popescu none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" << this ftr is philosophically wrong. in that it reduces to the exact opposite of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-07-2015#1217312 [03:40]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means [03:40]
trinque BingoBoingo: I'm about ready to pull the plug on this server and give all smtp over to the enemy [03:40]
mircea_popescu esp the "no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else." part. [03:41]
ben_vulpes trinque: what's happening to your smtp holes? [03:41]
BingoBoingo trinque: Fastmail.fm isn't the shittiest. Can't really endorse any email provider, but they are the least condemned as far as I know. [03:41]
trinque ben_vulpes: cron job doing sa-learn on incoming spam is choking the box; while moving I have IRC up there instead of at home, proving... laggy [03:42]
ben_vulpes wait, what happened to tls cutting all of your spam to nil? [03:42]
trinque the turdatron [03:42]
mircea_popescu "femlisp" ? women in tech ?~! [03:42]
ben_vulpes ahyu [03:43]
BingoBoingo "Professionally our methods of transmitting and reviewing the results of research are generations old and by now are totally inadequate for their purpose. If the aggregate time spent in writing scholarly works and in reading them could be evaluated, the ratio between these amounts of time might well be startling. Those who conscientiously attempt to keep abreast of current thought, even in restricted fields, by close and continuou [03:43]
BingoBoingo s reading might well shy away from an examination calculated to show how much of the previous month's efforts could be produced on call. Mendel's concept of the laws of genetics was lost to the world for a generation because his publication did not reach the few who were capable of grasping and extending it; and this sort of catastrophe is undoubtedly being repeated all about us, as truly significant attainments become lost in the [03:43]
BingoBoingo mass of the inconsequential." << Critical application of actual hypertext [03:43]
trinque I give up; google owns mail [03:43]
BingoBoingo trinque: Nah Opera/Fastmail beats the shit out of Google [03:43]
ben_vulpes herr mircea_popescu has as well, you're in good company [03:43]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes let it be noted that i had no problem witgh spam, in spuite of not using google. [03:44]
trinque so I run my own mailserver, and I get what [03:44]
mircea_popescu my problem is that middlemen are broken [03:44]
ben_vulpes what's your spamsolution, mircea_popescu? [03:44]
trinque I get a terrible hobby. [03:44]
ben_vulpes heh. [03:44]
BingoBoingo Especially relevant for gabriel_laddel: "Babbage, even with remarkably generous support for his time, could not produce his great arithmetical machine. His idea was sound enough, but construction and maintenance costs were then too heavy. Had a Pharaoh been given detailed and explicit designs of an automobile, and had he understood them completely, it would have taxed the resources of his kingdom to have fashioned the thousands of [03:45]
BingoBoingo parts for a single car, and that car would have broken down on the first trip to Giza." [03:45]
mircea_popescu my spamsolution is that all incoming from emails i never sent to is autodropped. [03:45]
mircea_popescu silentily. [03:45]
mircea_popescu works splendidly, too. [03:45]
ben_vulpes hm [03:46]
BingoBoingo brb scouting pillage and jools [03:46]
mircea_popescu occasionally i fish through the mire, as a curiosity thing. but it's quite different [03:46]
mircea_popescu ie, the "bayesian" twerps have it all wrong. it's dumbass to try and protect an inbox with regexp, and especially their halfbaked regexp based ai [03:47]
mircea_popescu however, it's fun to fish in a swamp with regexp. when you feel so inclined. [03:47]
ben_vulpes youtube-dl? [03:50]
ben_vulpes because vlc is too hard? [03:50]
BingoBoingo youtube-dl? << Or save-as [03:50]
punkman ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources though? [03:51]
punkman save-as doesn't work [03:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267314 << for the record, ascribing purpose to phenomena is basically animism 2.0, and just as medieval as the other thing. for all you know gauss was not "a bit of a coward", and your p[rojection into the future whebn discussing einstein more indicative of an anachronistic mind than some sort of valuable intuition. for all you know gauss just didn't think the idiots arou [03:51]
mircea_popescu nd him were worthy of being told about it. for all you know the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share their thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine : to friends, in a social environment, for the same reasons in the same ways. [03:51]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 05:17:33; gabriel_laddel: "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably [03:51]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources though? << VLC, Parole, pretty much eveything works [03:51]
BingoBoingo except x.265 [03:51]
mircea_popescu "the prince of mathematicians" in-fucking-deed. [03:51]
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BingoBoingo save-as doesn't work << If it doesn't the problem is higher up your toolchain [03:52]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: http://www.femlisp.org/ [03:53]
assbot FEMLISP Homepage ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS9WA3 ) [03:53]
mircea_popescu i r disappoint. [03:54]
punkman BingoBoingo: ok, how do I save-as on vimeo? [03:54]
mircea_popescu "this femlisp privileges useful work and meaningful abstractions over other verbiage that is a lot more important to us" [03:54]
mircea_popescu ~luce irigaray. [03:54]
mircea_popescu punkman generally you need a decent video driver, something that does the equivalent of "print to file" [03:55]
mircea_popescu if you get it to run under x it's a lot easier. [03:56]
punkman I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser [03:56]
mircea_popescu oh. [03:57]
mircea_popescu the only way such a thing will be published will be under a tmsr license. for obvious reasons. [03:57]
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punkman the save-as button I have, does work in many occasions. but mostly doesn't [03:57]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: as for that quote, agreed - I should have quoted 3 paragraphs up. [03:57]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: and wrt "hacking around until something clicks", this is the only way I know how to work on UIs and other 'finicky' programs? You certainly don't distribute this to friends who don't program. [03:59]
gabriel_laddel so, for example, the notion of references on a CLIMweb running on a WoTnet [03:59]
mircea_popescu i still manage to distribute trilema to people who don't program [03:59]
mircea_popescu note that im not saying this is a good idea. i'm entirely unconvinced at the moment. but still, fwiw, iwii. [03:59]
gabriel_laddel sure, but you rewrite sentences several times before you distribute. [04:00]
mircea_popescu that, i do not. [04:00]
gabriel_laddel oh right, I knew that [04:00]
mircea_popescu i would estimate less than 1% of trilema words were ever rewritten. it's pretty much first pass. [04:00]
thestringpuller i read an article that F. Scott Fitzgerald used to revise for years after his first draft... [04:01]
mircea_popescu flaubert is famous for having declaredly spent weeks trying to decide on a temperature value in cote de chez swann [04:02]
mircea_popescu iirc he settled oin 29 in the end [04:02]
ben_vulpes > femlisp [04:02]
ben_vulpes whoa [04:02]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: http://www.mitchr.me/SS/mjrcalc/ [04:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0DvDQ ) [04:04]
ben_vulpes no stop i have to go do things to a girl [04:04]
* mircea_popescu is kind-of nonplussed nobody called him on the misattribution of proust's work. but anyway, twas "Bouvard et Pécuchet", and the dilemma was 30 or 34, and he settled on 30. you people need to read more literature. [04:04]
gabriel_laddel lol [04:05]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: ftr, MJR_CALC compiles without any work on my part aside from [04:05]
gabriel_laddel (let*i) [04:05]
gabriel_laddel (load (merge-pathnames mjrcalc-path "lib-meta.lisp")) [04:05]
gabriel_laddel (eval (read-from-string "(mjr_meta::mjr_meta_load-packages :BASE-PATH "~/quicklisp/local-projects/lispy/")")) [04:05]
gabriel_laddel (eval (read-from-string "(mjr_meta::mjr_meta_use-packages :BASE-PATH "~/quicklisp/local-projects/lispy/")"))) [04:05]
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gabriel_laddel Completing the above thought (CLIMweb) : there are two obvious categories of references, those that contain (backup) the reference and those that do not. Those that do not should be of one of two types - an identifier coupled with an identity, which you can use to lookup in the WoT you can "see" and "speculative" references, e.g., some arbitary computation. [04:06]
gabriel_laddel Now, I don't *know* exactly what particular sexpr will 'click' for my program, so I'll write a few versions, find something I like and then distribute it. [04:07]
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BingoBoingo I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser << Of all things Chromium on OpenBSd has this along with most other browsers [04:12]
BingoBoingo (let*ii)... << How exactly to we trust this far before hardware? [04:15]
BingoBoingo Pretending to thing that do not yet exist is the definition of "terminal psychosis" [04:19]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously read the Vannevar Bush paper. You are solving too many problems with too few tools. Classic circular saw/Hammer problem. [04:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:38]
BingoBoingo "Let us project this trend ahead to a logical, if not inevitable, outcome. The camera hound of the future wears on his forehead a lump a little larger than a walnut. It takes pictures 3 millimeters square, later to be projected or enlarged, which after all involves only a factor of 10 beyond present practice. The lens is of universal focus, down to any distance accommodated by the unaided eye, simply because it is of short focal l [04:49]
BingoBoingo ength. There is a built-in photocell on the walnut such as we now have on at least one camera, which automatically adjusts exposure for a wide range of illumination. There is film in the walnut for a hundred exposures, and the spring for operating its shutter and shifting its film is wound once for all when the film clip is inserted. It produces its result in full color. It may well be stereoscopic, and record with two spaced glas [04:49]
BingoBoingo s eyes, for striking improvements in stereoscopic technique are just around the corner." << This was Vannevar's design [04:49]
BingoBoingo Laser printers etc. "Another process now in use is also slow, and more or less clumsy. For fifty years impregnated papers have been used which turn dark at every point where an electrical contact touches them, by reason of the chemical change thus produced in an iodine compound included in the paper. They have been used to make records, for a pointer moving across them can leave a trail behind. If the electrical potential on the p [04:52]
BingoBoingo ointer is varied as it moves, the line becomes light or dark in accordance with the potential." << Are we getting spooked yet? [04:52]
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BingoBoingo OLEDs how do they work? "Use chemically treated film in place of the glowing screen, allow the apparatus to transmit one picture only rather than a succession, and a rapid camera for dry photography results." [05:01]
BingoBoingo Also actual computers, a rarity: "With machines for advanced analysis no such situation existed; for there was and is no extensive market; the users of advanced methods of manipulating data are a very small part of the population. There are, however, machines for solving differential equations—and functional and integral equations, for that matter. There are many special machines, such as the harmonic synthesizer which predicts [05:08]
BingoBoingo the tides. There will be many more, appearing certainly first in the hands of the scientist and in small numbers." [05:08]
BingoBoingo ;;google memex [05:16]
gribble Memex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Memex – DARPA's search engine for the Dark Web | Naked Security: ; Memex In Action: Watch DARPA Artificial Intelligence Search For ...: [05:16]
* BingoBoingo done spamming, brb sleep [05:16]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << i must confess i am very much enamoured with the idea of a b-a web browser. [05:42]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view. [05:42]
mircea_popescu making a SECURE browser would kick so much ass... and it is not actually THAT hard. not in the sense that it's not hard, but in the sense that we have an IMMENSE advantage over everyone else, from mozilla to who have you, in the "piss on the world and light it on fire" doctrine. [05:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267362 << word. so very much word! [05:44]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 05:30:29; trinque: BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind [05:44]
Naphex mircea_popescu: oh man browsers still can't render the same thing properly :o [05:46]
mircea_popescu they never will. the browser process as it exists is almost an exact mirror of the us "democracy" electroal process. [05:46]
mircea_popescu it will converge to sense. eventually. in the year 72015. [05:46]
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mircea_popescu (in the year 72015 in the sense that it can be mathematially proven it won't happen before. but who knows, maybe after. patience little wanobi!) [05:47]
Naphex :D [05:47]
Naphex chrome runs it okay, but its filled with goog data plugs; got to spend 40mins just to do a "sane" config. Firefox somehow got stuck in 2010. And IE just gets stuck eats all memory and crashes with OOM [05:49]
mircea_popescu hm. [05:50]
Naphex the typical stuff when doing "webapps" [05:51]
mircea_popescu maybe this is retarded, but, wouldn't you be better off adding a slight delay, converting to something like gifv on the fly and relying on html5 ? [05:51]
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Naphex getting everything rendered server-side would probably help [05:53]
Naphex but not worth it at all [05:53]
Naphex use plain html5, render stuff on the fly [05:53]
* mircea_popescu is clueless re web video etc. [05:53]
Naphex it's pretty meh, video is solved with flash and rtmp. the other interface "eye-candy" and functionality is what bogs most of it down [05:55]
Naphex web video as in the new mp4 and webrtc is pretty much useless for low-latency video streaming [05:55]
punkman flash doesn't belong in sane browser though [05:55]
Naphex punkman: it doesn't but it's a bussiness pick [05:55]
Naphex RTMP has a lot of hardware support[switchers, video compositing, streaming tools, relays;etc] and most video producers just use that [05:56]
Naphex now adobe has some sort of patent on RTMP [05:57]
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Naphex so most browsers implement webrtc; you have to rely on 3rd party video players(like vlc) or flash to decode and render the content [05:58]
Naphex you could also try HLS from apple for some decent compatibilty and just delivering mp4 parts by HTTP [05:59]
Naphex but it's a straight up 2s->5s delay for everything [05:59]
Naphex which users absolutely hate in the context of live video chat [06:01]
Naphex a shitfuckstack [06:01]
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punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sagq3V5K_CA [06:03]
assbot Reggie Watts - Fuck Shit Stack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGlbR5 ) [06:03]
Naphex punkman: exactly :P [06:03]
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shinohai ;;ticker [07:49]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.06, Best ask: 239.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 239.06, 24 hour volume: 14672.0436584, 24 hour low: 239.23, 24 hour high: 246.52, 24 hour vwap: None [07:49]
shinohai http://thenextweb.com/us/2015/09/09/john-mcafee-might-run-for-president/ <<< Wait until he gets pilled up on Xanax again and starts firing missiles at Belize. [07:51]
assbot John McAfee might run for president ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOcS4a ) [07:51]
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Naphex shinohai: belize is so screwed :)) [08:24]
mircea_popescu we should xt mcafee [08:28]
mircea_popescu more cheaper missiles. [08:28]
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mircea_popescu davout done meanwhiole but thx. [14:53]
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shinohai http://www.2600.com/content/2600-accused-using-unauthorized-ink-splotches [14:56]
assbot 2600 ACCUSED OF USING UNAUTHORIZED INK SPLOTCHES | 2600 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkt4Xy ) [14:56]
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punkman "It's indeed impressive that Trunk Archive managed to match these little ink splotches." << makes one wonder how much computing power is being wasted on this [15:01]
punkman ah of course http://www.picscout.com/pr/getty-images-acquires-picscout/ [15:02]
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ascii_field 'You see, not only are they trying to get us to pay them for using a few ink splotches, but as it turns out, the ink splotches don't belong to them in the first place! Our cover artist happened to keep meticulous records (probably not something they anticipated) and traced the source of the ink splotches to a Finnish artist...' [15:05]
ascii_field intellektooal propertyh!!!1111 [15:06]
mircea_popescu it IS copied, however. [15:07]
punkman funny how http://www.lcs.global/ http://www.trunkarchive.com/ http://www.picscout.com/ are all related but don't mention each other [15:07]
assbot LCS - License Compliance Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkutNO ) [15:07]
assbot Trunk Archive - Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkuu4c ) [15:07]
assbot Home - PicScoutPicScout ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkur8E ) [15:07]
ascii_field 'I did some ink backgrounds for my upcoming artworks, and I thought I'd share the textures with the rest of the world. Free for non-commercial/commercial use. Feel free to post on your blogs etc. Crediting is not required, but would be nice.' [15:07]
ascii_field (from linked source) [15:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @#64; 0.000741 = 43.4597 BTC [-] {5} [15:08]
mircea_popescu such a great find shinohai [15:09]
mircea_popescu !rated shinohai [15:09]
assbot You rated user shinohai on 03-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.. [15:09]
shinohai Thx. 2600 was like the first irc server I ever used. [15:10]
shinohai In other copyright news, the author of the song "Eye of the Tiger" is considering suing Kim Davis for using the song at her release from jail rally yesterday. [15:15]
shinohai https://www.yahoo.com/music/survivor-did-not-grant-kentucky-county-clerk-kim-128671777736.html [15:16]
mircea_popescu maybe puts her right back in jail [15:16]
mircea_popescu "improper celebration of release - 5 years" [15:16]
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shinohai Don't hate me cuz it's github: https://github.com/Xyl2k/TSA-Travel-Sentry-master-keys [15:25]
assbot Xyl2k/TSA-Travel-Sentry-master-keys · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkwQA2 ) [15:25]
mircea_popescu well at least it doesn't have the word retard on it. [15:25]
ascii_field shinohai: as if it were difficult to make master keys based on disassembled lock. [15:26]
ascii_field (when said lock is designed for master) [15:26]
mircea_popescu so wait. carrying water not being difficult (when one is not obese) is somehow a detraction from plumbing ? [15:28]
ascii_field !s have to chew [15:28]
assbot 10 results for 'have to chew' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=have+to+chew [15:28]
ascii_field !s have to dip [15:28]
assbot 9 results for 'have to dip' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=have+to+dip [15:28]
ascii_field ^ [15:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @#64; 0.00073709 = 14.9629 BTC [-] [15:29]
* mircea_popescu doesn't get it. [15:30]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [15:36]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [15:36]
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mircea_popescu ahh grep * how i love you. [15:36]
deedbot- [Trilema] Ars gratia artis sau cum era, or The function and the functioning of art part deux - http://trilema.com/2015/ars-gratia-artis-sau-cum-era-or-the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art-part-deux/ [15:38]
shinohai Whatever you paid for that was worth every satoshi. [15:39]
mircea_popescu win huh [15:40]
ascii_field mega-pic [15:40]
mircea_popescu chick's talented. [15:41]
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shinohai Luke-Jr. on a unicycle lolz [15:42]
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ascii_field which one is szabo ? [15:44]
ascii_field fella in the robe ? [15:45]
trinque ah that's really good [15:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6915 @#64; 0.0007447 = 5.1496 BTC [+] [15:47]
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mircea_popescu lol szabo in robe [15:49]
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punkman http://archillect.com/ [15:51]
assbot Archillect ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkzo14 ) [15:51]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267818 << for the record, a "modern military base" IS a horrible castle. [15:59]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 11:41:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats' [15:59]
mircea_popescu and it has proven this point in medieval places, such as iraq. [15:59]
mircea_popescu modern military still suffers of the problem of the panzer 80 years ago : can take any position and hold absolutely none. [16:00]
ascii_field and rifle is an absolutely terrible longbow, also [16:00]
mircea_popescu not so. there is no contest where people armed with rifles lose to people armed with bows. [16:00]
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mircea_popescu there are NUMEROUS contests where people in modern bases lose to partisans. [16:00]
mircea_popescu in fact, the majority these days. [16:00]
ascii_field not clear that castle would have changed the outcome there [16:01]
mircea_popescu that is not an argument. [16:01]
mircea_popescu we're not discussing the merits of the castl.e here. [16:01]
mircea_popescu also note that medieval commander answered for permanence. whereas modern commander answers for "accomplishment". very different end goals drive very different behaviours. [16:02]
mircea_popescu for austin, "taking baghdad" once a week for three years straight would have been an excellent outcome : over one hundred allied victories!!11 [16:03]
ascii_field american commander answers for... hell knows what? boots properly polished ? [16:04]
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jurov so.. the ssd passed and the rotor will have something to rotate [16:04]
mircea_popescu try telling that to as-saffah tho, "i've lost baghdad once a week" [16:04]
ascii_field jurov: very spiffy. consider posting what part you used, how tested, where to buy... [16:05]
jurov posted above [16:05]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: it was in today's log [16:05]
jurov !s kingdian [16:05]
assbot 2 results for 'kingdian' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kingdian [16:05]
mircea_popescu im working on it kk [16:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267823 << as a factual matter, this is not true. [16:06]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 11:43:38; asciilifeform: just as properly made furniture does not contain glue. [16:06]
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mircea_popescu but i don't think it detracts from the actual point. [16:06]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:06]
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ascii_field perhaps i ought to have said, 'contains very little glue' [16:07]
shinohai Thx jurov. On my list of items to purchase when I actually get a working pogo binary. [16:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267836 << server crapped out or something. [16:08]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 11:50:01; kakobrekla: btw iirc today is tx spam day ? [16:08]
jurov shinohai: i'd recommend to use 120G version instead, 60G will be obsolete soon [16:08]
mircea_popescu you know how it goes. [16:08]
trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-mideast-crisis-syria-exclusive-idUSKCN0R91H720150909 << I continue to see the future demise of the US empire in this. [16:08]
assbot Exclusive: Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources [16:08]
mircea_popescu speaking of "will be obsolete soon" : we need that aribtrary checkpoint thing. if provided, node owner could store old chain apart. [16:08]
BingoBoingo But as a point, properly made furniture does in fact not include nails [16:08]
trinque and not far future [16:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo has it. [16:09]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: remind me what this was [16:09]
mircea_popescu there are some fine examples from chinese era of overabundance when they used supertiny nails. [16:09]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, nails ruin the wood. [16:09]
BingoBoingo Interlocking cuts, glue, and clamps are the way, the truth, and the light in furniture [16:09]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field you know how the code nos supports "developer mandated" checkpoints ? [16:09]
mircea_popescu the idea was to make them user-enacted. [16:10]
shinohai K jurov. mats sent me sufficient btc to purchase a pogo, but I only got an inferior drive with it. Planned on getting something a little more robust [16:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267846 <<< end of story. [16:11]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 11:56:36; asciilifeform: yes, bury it in the forest for 80 years and perhaps it will leak. [16:11]
mircea_popescu you want to bury them in the ocean for 1k years. [16:11]
jurov even after checkpoints, it's nice to have for querying the history [16:11]
shinohai Better to have room for growth [16:11]
mircea_popescu jurov yeah but the idea being that you run many nodes with smaller disks for day to day ops [16:12]
mircea_popescu and have a airgapped system with the full history etc that's not exposed to the internet. [16:12]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the 'checkpoint' thing is actually useless as implemented now, it merely skips verification for the listed blocks [16:12]
ascii_field -verifyall disables it entirely [16:12]
ascii_field and verifies ~all~ [16:13]
mircea_popescu different tools for different jobs as it were. the corrosive substance of usg-ness makes anyth9ng on the public net vulnerable, and zerging the only possible approach to survival. [16:13]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yeah. [16:13]
ascii_field what we considered wanting was an entirely different kind of checkpoint [16:13]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267858 << who speaks chinese here ? fluently ? because as your point re google : chinese speaker in fucking china is about as useful or important as dung beetle. [16:14]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:04:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now? [16:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field btw, i started a measuring, my node pulls ~600 blocks/hour [16:15]
mircea_popescu (you were complaining about delay) [16:15]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: 600 of which blocks [16:16]
ascii_field skinny early blox or fat modern ones [16:16]
mircea_popescu 320k [16:16]
ascii_field neato [16:16]
mircea_popescu i didn't boither measuring early, who the fuck cares, but i would guess it did 10k an hour or some shit [16:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: iirc mats spoke cn [16:17]
mircea_popescu it'd have done( [16:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: incidentally, dulap is all backed up. [16:17]
mircea_popescu alrighty ima pull the plug then [16:18]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267816 << to continue this thread, my contention is that while many things I write with special notation could just as well be s-exprs, making me read and write these things as s-exprs is catastrophic [16:18]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 11:39:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items. [16:18]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: not waiting for replacement ? [16:18]
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mircea_popescu why ? you said useless neh ? [16:18]
ascii_field well it displays old results [16:18]
ascii_field but this is prolly not worth whatever mircea_popescu is paying for it [16:19]
ascii_field the demise of this box is unfortunate. i was gonna put an experimental version of www-ized 'v' explorer there, also [16:21]
mircea_popescu yeah well. unfortunate is what the world's made of. [16:21]
ascii_field and it was where 'bleeding edge' therealbitcoin lived. [16:21]
mircea_popescu obviously if people weren't schmucks we could have nice things. [16:21]
mircea_popescu but they are, and so we can't. [16:22]
mircea_popescu and we'll kill them, and they'll want to know why, "Que tes ennemis expirants" [16:22]
mircea_popescu and we probably won't bother to answer, and they'll derp more, in their children, and so it goes. [16:22]
mircea_popescu and has gone. for a long, long time now. [16:22]
ascii_field https://archive.is/eS8RO https://archive.is/muu01 << fresh snapshots [16:24]
assbot So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCEK7 ) [16:24]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCF0n ) [16:24]
trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909 << "The plan includes a site for studying the tactics of the U.S. Army, which was called a "likely enemy" in the document." [16:24]
assbot Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border [16:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/no-blacks-is-not-a-sexual-preference-it-s-racism.html <<<->>> http://whitebecky00.tumblr.com/ [16:24]
assbot ‘No Blacks’ Is Not a Sexual Preference. It’s Racism - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCMcx ) [16:25]
assbot Slave for Blacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCO3U ) [16:25]
mircea_popescu it's always great when two kinds of maculature meet. [16:25]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: feel free to log in & zero the disk whenever. [16:25]
* mircea_popescu is not gonna bother [16:25]
ascii_field there is literally nothing secret on this box. [16:26]
mircea_popescu but anyway : "racism" is exactly the derp word for sexual preference. the reason some people don't like other people is purely sexual. [16:26]
ascii_field trinque: who else could be 'likely enemy' ?! martians ?!?? [16:26]
trinque obviously I'm not surprised at that. [16:26]
ascii_field 'вероятный противник' (tm) [16:27]
trinque I eagerly await the overturning of the world, as it has been chewing the back of my mind a long while. [16:27]
ascii_field 'sergeant: private! why were you walking the street wearing the pants of the Likely Enemy ?!' ('80s ru army joke) [16:27]
mircea_popescu hahaha veroyatnij [16:28]
mircea_popescu "vraisemblable" [16:28]
mircea_popescu such french [16:28]
ascii_field ~= probable [16:28]
mircea_popescu yup [16:28]
mircea_popescu with a sprinkle of credible / persuasiable. [16:29]
mircea_popescu "an undismissable argument may be brought that this will be so" [16:29]
ascii_field aha. [16:29]
mircea_popescu pointedly no judgement as to likeliness or future course of events is made [16:30]
mircea_popescu what the word describes is a purely intellectual situation, today. [16:30]
mircea_popescu sad that the anglos have no languages, or linguistics whatsoever. [16:30]
trinque but we made a new iPhone [16:30]
mircea_popescu aokthen [16:30]
mircea_popescu ascii_field incidentally isn't it potrivnik ? [16:32]
mircea_popescu it's protivnik ?! [16:32]
ascii_field противник. [16:32]
ascii_field == opponent [16:33]
mircea_popescu nuts. romanian has the word, same meaning, but the r migrated. [16:33]
mircea_popescu is this a latin influence in russian, is тивник anything ? [16:33]
jurov slovak has exactly same word [16:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: consonants wander as you go west [16:33]
ascii_field look at the czechs [16:33]
mircea_popescu lol [16:33]
jurov czechs too incidentally [16:33]
mircea_popescu the czechs consonants wandered because they munch too much cunmt [16:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: против == against [16:34]
ascii_field opposed. [16:34]
mircea_popescu anyway in ro it has an entire migrated family : deopotriva (of the same ilk), impotriva (against) etc [16:34]
mircea_popescu the cannonical rejection of misplaced familiarity being "nu suntem deopotriva" ie, we're not of the same social level. [16:35]
thestringpuller wind 27 [16:35]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller your article ever end up onb twitter ? [16:35]
thestringpuller yea https://twitter.com/search?q=qntra&src=typd [16:36]
mircea_popescu bah. i meant reddit lol [16:36]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268372 << betcha jp has 7 variants of this... [16:36]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 19:33:01; mircea_popescu: the cannonical rejection of misplaced familiarity being "nu suntem deopotriva" ie, we're not of the same social level. [16:36]
mircea_popescu or none. [16:36]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [16:37]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [16:37]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: they have many more than 2 ты/вы addresses [16:37]
mircea_popescu i thought they just had san [16:37]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea. that too. actually got submitted by 3 separate people @#64;_@#64; [16:37]
mircea_popescu i saw it on my ipad from jobs-san [16:37]
ascii_field e.g., male-superior, female-superior, male-divine, female-divine, male-subordinate, female-subordinate, male-child, female-child, ..., prolly more [16:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller ahaha win. downvoted erry time ? [16:38]
punkman ascii_field: way more than those https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics [16:39]
assbot Japanese honorifics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkEoCT ) [16:39]
thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/domain/qntra.net/ << the first one was submitted during low traffic time. the other three have different titles. [16:39]
ben_vulpes Interlocking cuts, glue, and clamps are the way, the truth, and the light in furniture << aye aye [16:40]
ben_vulpes "joinery" [16:41]
ben_vulpes but when i want to build builtins in my rental, i use compressed air and nails. [16:41]
trinque http://www.rt.com/news/314787-russia-air-bases-csto/ << damn, USistan is weaker by the day. [16:41]
assbot Russia is ready to establish airbases in neighboring countries – Russian PM — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkEKtg ) [16:41]
trinque I recall recently Putin calling for an international something against terrorism. [16:42]
trinque I wonder if that will develop into something specific against US-supported terrorism. [16:42]
mircea_popescu lmao if the romanians manage the performance of leasing some land to the russians right next to the land their leased the americans to make their military bases [16:42]
mircea_popescu it'd only be like the nth time historically lol. [16:42]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: cuba, l0l [16:42]
mircea_popescu lightweights [16:42]
mircea_popescu ro's been doing it for like 1800 years [16:42]
ascii_field (iirc the ru lease in cuba lapsed when they couldn't make rent in '90s) [16:43]
mircea_popescu trinque anyway, the su's got that superb su, they gotta use it before the window closes in 5 -10years. [16:43]
trinque the plane? [16:44]
mircea_popescu (/me vaguely suspects that much like the french get the trophy for "last and therefore best supersonic air transport", the ru may get the trophy for "last and therefore best" fighter jet. i somehow doubt a better one's ever getting made, by anyone) [16:44]
mircea_popescu yes the plane. [16:44]
ascii_field not many folks remember today who made the best bombard, either. [16:45]
mircea_popescu not many folks remember today where their asshole is located. wut of it. [16:45]
trinque gonna be a sad thing when we try to field whichever f35s can fly [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @#64; 0.00074359 = 21.7128 BTC [-] {3} [16:47]
ascii_field trinque: why not simply throw trunks of benjies at the enemy, aha [16:47]
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ascii_field (before window closes ! while they're worth something !) [16:47]
mircea_popescu hehehe ayup. [16:48]
* mircea_popescu wonders if bullet sized missiles will ever happen. [16:48]
mircea_popescu "why learn how to shoot ? fire our ICBM Pea at your enemies!" [16:48]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: iirc lockheed was advertising this [16:48]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [16:48]
ascii_field doesn't mean quite same thing as 'happened' aha [16:48]
trinque there was some DoD wank about self-steering bullets [16:48]
mircea_popescu and MIT was adverttiosing "learn how to light lightbulbs and other wonders of 1800 science! TODAY!" [16:48]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026842 << see also. [16:49]
assbot Logged on 21-02-2015 04:28:52; asciilifeform: in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built [16:49]
* trinque thought the caspian sea monster and other ground-effect planes were this, but recently considered the value of massive transport across the caspian and black seas [16:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: self-steering projectile ~really~ wants to be a rocket, not only because guidance apparatus costs and so may as well include large warhead, but also because changing direction kills velocity if all you got is the acceleration in the barrel (classical bullet) [16:51]
mircea_popescu uayup [16:51]
ascii_field trinque: 'экраноплан' - but think of it as a very fast gunboat, rather than a plane [16:52]
trinque the largest one seemed capable of moving more than a few tanks [16:52]
mircea_popescu the hercules moves like a dozen planes, and actually flies. [16:52]
mircea_popescu if you just have it hover on water, you should be able to move a fucking tank plant. [16:53]
trinque https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--C4euWJ8m--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/195msu6s5gizsjpg.jpg [16:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkGuTv ) [16:53]
trinque bleh, gawker. but anyhow, there's the beast [16:53]
mircea_popescu that'd kick ass btw. "our fleet consists of this flagship that is a tank factory. it outputs tanks in continuous motion (60mph) 4 thick." [16:54]
ascii_field l0l 'warcraft' & co [16:54]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 60 * 1.6 * 4 * 200 [16:56]
gribble 76800 [16:56]
mircea_popescu 77k tanks an hour, not so bad. [16:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field hey, i dunno if you ever played this, but there was a GREAT, an absoluterly fucking fantastic game in the pre-windows days [16:57]
mircea_popescu 3dmax or something. initialism like that. ace. something. [16:58]
mircea_popescu in a distopian future with a very gritty burnished steel look and feel about it, you built all sorts of tanks, helicopters etc, [16:58]
mircea_popescu to get the enemy base. did research for them too, gathered resources, [16:58]
mircea_popescu a sort of much better starwars before starwars [16:58]
ascii_field 'command & conquer' ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu M.A.X.: Mechanized Assault & Exploration [16:59]
mircea_popescu ha! [16:59]
mircea_popescu that game was so fucking great... [16:59]
mircea_popescu imo still unsurpassed. [16:59]
ascii_field imho even 1980s 'ranger' is unsurpassed still [17:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.juegomania.org/M.A.X.%3A+Mechanized+Assault+%26+Exploration/foto/pc/0/270/270.jpg/Foto+M.A.X.%3A+Mechanized+Assault+%26+Exploration.jpg [17:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkHVRD ) [17:00]
mircea_popescu those fucking pipes. you had to defend the pipes. [17:00]
ascii_field the one where you were a lone diversant sent behind enemy lines, and had to choose whether the weight of, e.g., extra demo charge is worth losing three frags or five pistol clips, etc [17:00]
mats http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34188569 [17:01]
assbot Who are these Russian fighters posting pics of themselves in Syria? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkI1Je ) [17:01]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i suppose this is what the obese have ruined in the world. scarcity. [17:01]
ascii_field http://thehouseofgames.org/index.php?t=10&id=138 [17:01]
assbot Airborne ranger (1987) review for MS-DOS, Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkI8Ep ) [17:01]
ascii_field i fucking loved this little thing [17:02]
mircea_popescu and com,mand and conquer fucking sucked. [17:03]
ascii_field aha [17:03]
mircea_popescu generally speaking, real time anything is for idiots. [17:03]
ascii_field which is why i was a little surprised when thought it was mentioned [17:03]
ascii_field ^^ yes! [17:03]
mircea_popescu go twitch in a fucking jar on a shelf already. [17:03]
ascii_field 'real time' generally == 'arm wrestle' [17:03]
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mircea_popescu "oh but mp, if we make all messages 140 characters your advantages over us won't be so obvious" [17:04]
ascii_field procrustes called, wants sofa back [17:04]
lobbes generally speaking, real time anything is for idiots << heh, Eulora is real-time ;/ [17:04]
lobbes but hence, the 'generally' [17:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267901 << it's an epic fucking win. they can still READ. [17:04]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:26:49; asciilifeform: this is not a win. [17:05]
mircea_popescu they do not need to talk back just because they walk. [17:05]
mircea_popescu lobbes how is it real time ? [17:05]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: i suppose it is a win then that i cannot ask stoutemyer anything. after all, my only qualification is 'can walk', aha. [17:06]
mircea_popescu hey, if you like the stick like the lube too. [17:06]
lobbes mircea_popescu: if you are not playing you 'fall behind' the economy? though, that is the beauty of the 'encouraged bots' system [17:06]
mircea_popescu but i'd note that if there was a #derive-assets where i could get a half hour's window, this would be a non problem. [17:07]
mircea_popescu lobbes people assume this is the case but i have not observed it to be true. [17:07]
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lobbes !up ascii_field [17:07]
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jurov mircea_popescu: pls to mpex [17:07]
mircea_popescu jurov will do. [17:07]
trinque BingoBoingo: you approve of fastmail? [17:07]
BingoBoingo trinque: All email providers suck. I don't endorse fastmail, but I condemn it less than other options. [17:08]
jurov lobbes: just your skills rust. but low skills are useful,too [17:08]
ascii_field l0l derive-assets [17:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267916 << you must think very little of me then! [17:08]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:35:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267767 << this is a CATASTROPHICALLY bad idea, because any attempt is simply asking for self-delusionary masamunification (sorry gabriel_laddel, but you know precisely what i mean.) -- this being, 'aha this is a turd, but WE made it and therefore doesn't stink and is somehow edible' [17:09]
lobbes jurov: yeah, it seems n00bs are valuable due to fact. very interesting indeed [17:09]
trinque BingoBoingo: certainly; e-mail itself sucks, and I'm ready to accept that it's as bad as using facebook messenger, and let someone else run spamassassin day and night [17:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267920 << this is where it's headed. [17:09]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:36:35; asciilifeform: b) want graphics. WE DON'T HAVE A SANE GRAPHICS STACK [17:09]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: if you - or anybody else - can write something recognizable as this item, i promise to take off my hat [17:09]
trinque want to send me a real message? gpg-gram me [17:09]
ascii_field but the foundations aren't there. [17:10]
trinque I would use a text-only computer all day provided it had something of a net connection [17:10]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field well, that's not the point. the point is that what, seriously, ima sit here and go "hey, this shit's pretty good" ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu when did that happen. [17:10]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: imho you were falling into this very bear trap with the 'nano' thread [17:11]
ascii_field see log. [17:11]
mircea_popescu trinque i woke up last night to the fact that email only persists because we havewn't fully groked the importance and effects of b-a yet. [17:11]
ascii_field it is very easy to become convinced that the only available item doesn't suck [17:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_field a) i didn't make it! [17:11]
mircea_popescu wtf. i also use gpg. [17:11]
mircea_popescu what happened when deedbot didn't have a faq ? [17:12]
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ascii_field alternatively [17:13]
BingoBoingo lol, the Hearnia mempool solution is randomly drop tx so that all spam has a home somewhere https://archive.is/NgRdK [17:13]
assbot Mempool size limiting — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkKcMP ) [17:13]
ascii_field what happened when tmsr didn't have a foundry? [17:13]
shinohai LOL @#64; Hearnia [17:13]
trinque mircea_popescu: yes I think using "the logs" has a lot of fruit left to give [17:13]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: a) enemy reads the logs, mega-surprise aha b) this is roughly isomorphic to the old behaviour, 'crash when full' [17:14]
mircea_popescu trinque indeed! [17:14]
shinohai He never responded to my queries as to why he is too good to sign binaries he barfs out to the wider internet. [17:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field their inability to observe isomorphism is one of their lulziest features. [17:15]
ascii_field c) it is necessary so hearn can bolt on tx blacklisting later [17:15]
jurov i remember we discussed when the patch went in [17:15]
jurov but can;t find it [17:15]
mircea_popescu (and a forced mistake, too. in odrder to avoid noticing the isomorphism between yourself and turd in the sun, you're stuck breaking the isomorphism recognizer) [17:15]
mircea_popescu shinohai the key to success is to not answer to negative people. he knows because altman said so. [17:16]
mircea_popescu "the xt is not a huge privacy hole because you can recompile it not to be. we're banking on thefact the fucktards in usg-zoo won'tanyway. we don't sign binaries but it could be done if needed except we're banking on idem" [17:17]
mircea_popescu very well oiled, the cattle machine. [17:17]
* mircea_popescu is looking forward to thew v-tron being misrepresented as "drm". [17:17]
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shinohai Cattle machine indeed. [17:17]
mircea_popescu (it will be. and to THEIR detriment, because it's very much a poison pill for that entire industree) [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: neh it'll be 'embraced' and extended [17:17]
mircea_popescu github already trying this but it won't work for very good reasons. [17:18]
ascii_field rewritten in ruby, claimed to have been in steady use at stanford since 1995, the whole orchestra. [17:18]
ascii_field like phuctor. [17:18]
mircea_popescu nah [17:18]
mircea_popescu that dun work. [17:18]
ascii_field why not ? [17:18]
mircea_popescu ima tell you why. [17:18]
* shinohai pops popcorn [17:19]
mircea_popescu for the same rason disinfo agent is stuck discussing "quiantum hjardening" and "cpu arch based attacks". ie, he is NOT ALLOWED to give even a single inch. which terribly boxes him in. [17:19]
* ascii_field struggles to think of even one useful tool that doesn't have a retarded usgized variant - e.g., gpg [17:19]
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mircea_popescu all the important bits we have are radioactive to them [17:19]
mircea_popescu which precludes effectual approach [17:19]
ascii_field could have supposed same thing about public key crypto [17:20]
ascii_field but it was absorbed quite readily [17:20]
mircea_popescu and yes this must stay so. which is why my comment re you must think little of me above. [17:20]
mircea_popescu not so. [17:20]
mircea_popescu it was not absorbed readily at all, for one thing. [17:20]
ascii_field surely mircea_popescu knows that usg (esp. .mil) makes heavy use of an internal tard pgp by microshit [17:21]
ascii_field yes, this exists [17:21]
ascii_field complete with magical cards [17:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, incorporated here by reference, the discussion where i showed you how holding bitcoin destroys nsa. [17:21]
ascii_field now this i recall [17:21]
mircea_popescu the same exact principle is to be employed throughout : either they ignore the bits which makes them uncompetitivew [17:21]
mircea_popescu or they use the bits which makes them us. [17:21]
mircea_popescu no third way. [17:21]
ascii_field iirc this was a theme in 'lord of the rings' aha [17:22]
mircea_popescu and so yes, b-a browser [17:22]
ascii_field my point was that b-a browser demands b-a machine [17:22]
ascii_field because spittoon ~is~ in one strand [17:22]
ascii_field because libjpeg, x11, et al, must die [17:22]
mircea_popescu maybe. i'm firmly in the camp of "let people try things" [17:23]
BingoBoingo my point was that b-a browser demands b-a machine << TI-92 [17:23]
trinque I have a question regarding this. Would a device operating at the network boundary, parsing packets and only permitting some signed wad in, only signed wads out be valuable in any way? [17:23]
ascii_field trinque: i described this device in agonizing detail [17:23]
mircea_popescu trinque maybe. [17:23]
ascii_field some time during the original gossipd thread [17:23]
mike_c ben_vulpes: I'm used to doctests. how do i run your v unittests? [17:23]
jurov trinque: problem is it can be easily dosed [17:23]
trinque aha, and I discussed it with you before as well [17:23]
ascii_field trinque: imho it is the only correct way to make a network at all. [17:24]
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jurov only recourse is for the enemy to not know exact endpoint [17:24]
ascii_field what we have today is roughly analogous to early spark gap radio [17:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field and that's also what the msr license is all about, too. [17:24]
mircea_popescu jurov recourse is to have many of them. [17:24]
ascii_field where there was room for exactly one transmitter/receiver per continent [17:24]
mircea_popescu ddos only works a) briefly and b) on large targets. [17:24]
mircea_popescu it's a sort of laser. [17:24]
ben_vulpes mike_c: python -m unittest test_v [17:24]
trinque seems that if everything coming/going is parsed, verified, it drastically reduces the amount of remote exploitation possible [17:24]
trinque and that seems a far smaller target to build than a whole new arch [17:25]
mike_c kthx. maybe test_v.py should have if __init__==main unittest.main()? is that not standard? [17:25]
ascii_field mike_c: if you like [17:25]
mike_c i haven't used this module much. not sure what sop is. [17:25]
mike_c this module = unittest [17:25]
ascii_field mike_c: i'd prefer that someone were to add the desperately needed topological walker, rather than focusing on the little chipped paint bits, but that's just me [17:25]
jurov mircea_popescu: i don't see any big obstacle against ddosing 1000 targets with slow connections vs. targeting one [17:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_field dude let people do what they do. [17:25]
mike_c i'm just trying to run the tests for now :) [17:26]
* ascii_field lets [17:26]
mircea_popescu jurov is this an argument to ignorance ? [17:26]
jurov why ignorance? [17:26]
mircea_popescu "i don't see" [17:26]
ben_vulpes mike_c: nominally unittest does test discovery, i focused on making tests though. [17:26]
mike_c ah [17:26]
ben_vulpes it should run with python -m unittest from the same directory as v, but... [17:27]
jurov i'm trying to imagine this thing. if we are going to have 1000 nodes , they will necessarily be on misc home connections [17:27]
ben_vulpes this is a thing i do once per project and always forget how it's supposed to go. [17:27]
ascii_field trinque, jurov: if device which silently drops unsigned (or signed by unblessed) packets straight on the floor were mass-produced and inexpensive, ddos as a thing ends. [17:27]
mircea_popescu jurov it's unsound to proceed from that point by makin assumptions. [17:27]
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ben_vulpes and then on top of that, every project i pick up has some arcane setup for running its tests, because...legacy. [17:27]
ascii_field or rather, doesn't end, but becomes a voluntary idiocy like running winblowz [17:27]
mircea_popescu ascii_field and so as alf would point out, "nothing hapepened" [17:28]
mike_c it's running now, and failing. [17:28]
ben_vulpes ya, one out of 16? [17:28]
ben_vulpes "always leave a failing test" [17:28]
ascii_field mike_c: what is [17:28]
trinque seems I could have whatever shitty computers I like behind such a device, and could be relatively certain that no command and control messages are making it in [17:28]
mike_c yeah, 1 [17:28]
trinque provided the device *works* obviously [17:28]
mircea_popescu jurov consider the experimentally verified, and publicly at that, fact that ddos couldn't do any appreciabvle harm to qntra, or trilema. [17:28]
mircea_popescu and this without any sort of imperial investments, either. also quite deliberately, and at least in part for the reason of this discussion. [17:29]
ben_vulpes mike_c: that is the test i left off at. feel free to replace the "gotcha" assertion with an actual test, or just eliminate the assertion completely. [17:29]
jurov and they examine each packet signature? [17:29]
mike_c got it [17:29]
* jurov is confused [17:29]
mircea_popescu wait, you wanted cpu-based ddos ? [17:29]
mircea_popescu because cpus are so much better than pipes these days, a dirty little secret the us telcos have managed to hide from their market like they managed to hide the fact that NOBODY CHARGES FOR INCOMING CALLS!!11, [17:30]
mircea_popescu most ddos is pipe exhaustion not cpu exhaustion. [17:30]
ascii_field ^ someone did not know this ?! [17:30]
mircea_popescu everyone all the time. [17:30]
* jurov is now more confused [17:30]
jurov the discussion is about per-packet signature verification [17:31]
jurov which none named does [17:31]
jurov and thus can shrug any ddos [17:31]
jurov amiright? [17:31]
mircea_popescu when you say ddos people are going to assume you mean, you know, as it is. [17:32]
ascii_field jurov: aha. see the old gossipd thread. [17:32]
mike_c and if i alter one of the public keys more tests fail, so that's good. [17:32]
mircea_popescu ie, you put the filter node up, yet it can't be accessed because syn flood. irrespective of its function. [17:32]
ascii_field jurov: basic principle, at least in my variant of its statement, was that an unknown endpoint is to be listened to STRICTLY for as long as it takes to establish that it can sign with a key that you wot. [17:32]
ascii_field AND that this can take place at line speed. [17:33]
mircea_popescu iirc that was left as a maybe. [17:33]
mircea_popescu (the 2nd clause) [17:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i can show rigorously that it can be. but requires custom si. [17:33]
ascii_field also it will of course depend on the line. but you can mux/demux the bits, recall. [17:34]
trinque what if it didn't verify the sig; it just verified that it looks like a sig, and hands off to something that can [17:34]
ascii_field trinque: mno [17:34]
ascii_field trinque: that does nothing. [17:34]
ascii_field simply means that the enemy needs to spend three minutes adjusting his shit cannon [17:35]
* trinque doesn't expect fabs on the battlefield, trying to consider what the simplest useful piece of hardware might be [17:36]
ascii_field the thing to understand is that 'hardware gosspid' nodes would form an impenetrable skin around a p2p sane internet. [17:36]
trinque I understand that very well. [17:36]
trinque was imagining a network device connected in three directions, outside world, sig checker, and inside world [17:37]
deedbot- [Qntra] MIT Sacrifices Rag in XTCoin Push - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mit-sacrifices-rag-in-xtcoin-push/ [17:37]
trinque but perhaps yes, sig checker without dedicated sig-checking hardware is too slow? [17:37]
ascii_field trinque: sig checker ~must~ operate at line speed, and in practice this means it is integral to the die which actually throws the packets around. [17:37]
mike_c hm, v.py is leaking file descriptors all over the place. muy messy :) [17:37]
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jurov yes that's what i had in mind. nothing stops anyone from producing arbitrary number of "almost signed" packets [17:38]
ascii_field almost pregnant. [17:39]
trinque *garbage arranged to look like a sig to a dumb parser [17:39]
ascii_field a valid packet is necessarily 1) rsa'd to the node's ephem-key 2) signed by originator's ephem-key [17:40]
ascii_field all else - insta-shitcan. [17:40]
mike_c ascii_field: what's the plan here? you want updates signed/posted on the mailing list? we going to use v to manage changes to v? [17:40]
ascii_field mike_c: i confess that my intent was to have folks rewrite it [17:41]
ascii_field mainly to demonstrate that everyone groks [17:41]
ascii_field and that there would exist several incarnations, which do not ever disagree on answers [17:42]
mike_c hmm. [17:42]
ascii_field just as modern pocket calculators generally agree on arithmetic. [17:42]
* ben_vulpes is struck by a lightningbolt of understanding [17:42]
mike_c whelp, the foundation might as well have an implementation [17:42]
ascii_field 'v' is far too necessary to remain a me-thing (much less a python-thing or pc-thing) [17:42]
ascii_field it has to EXIST [17:43]
ben_vulpes okay, i get it now stan. [17:43]
ascii_field the way calculator does. [17:43]
mike_c ben_vulpes: you want me to post a full tarball or diffs to mailing list? [17:43]
trinque every soldier may assemble his rifle [17:43]
trinque I dunno about the tactical sense in every soldier creating his own [17:43]
trinque network edge device same, so on [17:44]
ben_vulpes mike_c: i posted a tarball, as i did some messy surgery and expected brutal diffs. if you can get cleaner diffs, that'd be great. [17:44]
* trinque expects he has 5 years of semi-stable country at best [17:44]
mike_c ok. i'm working from your tarball. I'll see what the diffs end up looking like [17:44]
ascii_field my initial 'v' presses rel1 and the bleeding-edge rel2, yes, but it ought to be regarded as a proof-of-concept [17:44]
ascii_field rather than foundation for eternal thing [17:45]
ben_vulpes mike_c: asciilifeform objected to the "which method, which args" approach to routing around argparse's braindamage, so if you have good ideas down there throw 'em out [17:45]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: in principle i object to repetition in a proggy [17:45]
ben_vulpes (as in to #b-a) [17:45]
ascii_field as in, why the fuck do i have to change something in 3 separate places when adding a knob [17:45]
ascii_field ought to be ONE [17:45]
ascii_field (currently, notice, two) [17:45]
ben_vulpes because the way that argparse suggests you set up function calls is stupid as hell! [17:46]
trinque so make a lisp data structure and then derive your argparsing code from... oh wait [17:46]
trinque ehehe [17:46]
ascii_field i will borrow a page from mircea_popescu and say 'i don't give a fuck HOW' it is done [17:46]
ben_vulpes shaddup trinque [17:46]
ascii_field so long as it is not RETARDED [17:46]
ben_vulpes you're not wrong, i just hate the straightjacket of argparse's function call behavior. [17:46]
ascii_field i despise the whole language [17:47]
ascii_field but all the unix scripting langs are quite alike [17:47]
mike_c the two places being the argparse and the switch statement at the end? [17:48]
ascii_field mike_c: that's ben_vulpes's version, not mine [17:49]
mike_c got it [17:49]
ascii_field i am also counting the function itself [17:49]
ascii_field so he has 3 places. [17:49]
mike_c so many globals :) ok, I'll definitely take a swing at reorganizing a bit [17:52]
mike_c and it will be very nice to have a test suite while doing so. so thanks ben_vulpes. [17:53]
ben_vulpes mike_c: and that's after i burned out like 70% of them! [17:54]
ascii_field imho this is misguided. [17:54]
ascii_field this is not a proggy to be 'libraryized' and dijkstraized [17:54]
mike_c so don't do it in your implementation [17:54]
ascii_field aha, i didn't. specifically in the interest of keeping it short and destroying redundancy [17:54]
mike_c I love how small it is. [17:55]
ben_vulpes dijkstraized? [17:55]
mike_c of course, that is partially because of the hairball that is gnupg.. [17:55]
mike_c why not make it libraryized? if gpg was libraryized shit like this wouldn't be so hard [17:57]
punkman ascii_field: mike_c: i'd prefer that someone were to add the desperately needed topological walker, rather than focusing on the little chipped paint bits, but that's just me << what would this walker do? [17:57]
mike_c toposort a pile of patches with antescedants and descedants [17:58]
punkman we have that [17:58]
ascii_field punkman: handle broken and orphaned chains [17:59]
ascii_field to see what i mean, try adding a patch that depends on a rel1 terminus but is not built on by anything else. [17:59]
ascii_field it will destroy the entire thing [17:59]
ascii_field because 'press' assumes that ~all~ patches are part of longest chain somewhere. [18:00]
ascii_field the other much needed bit, imho, [18:02]
ascii_field is a graphatron that doesn't suck [18:03]
ascii_field which is to say, it needs to produce 1) ascii art, wit [18:03]
ascii_field h [18:03]
ascii_field 2) clickable boxes [18:03]
ascii_field (simple html) [18:03]
ascii_field these would expand to actual (colourized) diffs which the patch in question concerned. [18:04]
ascii_field the ONLY lib i found so far that does something like what is needed is a perl turd, http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/manual/overview.html [18:05]
assbot Graph::Easy - Manual - Overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1ixLqgQ ) [18:05]
ascii_field i do not regard it as usable [18:05]
ascii_field but the basic principle is illustrated. [18:06]
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trinque ascii_field: just to wrap up the thought, this network device is simply (and exactly) a packet filter that accepts packets through one orifice, checks signatures (presumably has a slot somewhere in its head for pubkeys) and farts them inward via second orifice or drops on the floor [18:19]
ascii_field trinque: at its bare essence - yes. [18:19]
ascii_field hardware gossipd, if you like. [18:19]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/3c1pry/all_of_the_nopes_there_is_no_such_thing_as_the/ [18:19]
mircea_popescu aww. [18:19]
assbot All of the Nopes: "There is no such thing as the crime of 'rape'" and that's arguably not the worst part : againstmensrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXd7o ) [18:19]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ka7ic/bitcoin_is_not_visa/ << it's on front page nao. [18:20]
mircea_popescu o hey. [18:20]
ascii_field trinque: the 'adult' version would also emit packets. but this is far less essential to 'hardwareize' [18:20]
ascii_field given as the overwhelming brunt of the load is on crud rejection [18:20]
trinque yep, makes sense [18:21]
ascii_field but no, it does not make any sense to consider any of this without si fab [18:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @#64; 0.00073983 = 6.3625 BTC [-] [18:21]
trinque well I'll consider it, but for my education [18:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @#64; 0.00073757 = 32.3793 BTC [-] {4} [18:22]
trinque I see two separate problems [18:24]
trinque parsing packets in/out according to some grammar [18:24]
trinque and then the sig checking [18:24]
ascii_field the sig check is what needs the custom si [18:24]
mircea_popescu https://s.zkcdn.net/Advertisers/a2d4e53fd3cf46ceb02ef9b7289225e6.jpg << kinda funny how the cheap catholic doodaad image of jesus from the 1915s is still kicking around [18:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYF5ue ) [18:24]
trinque I can think of many applications on the net I'd like to demand only ever say things according to grammar G [18:24]
ascii_field trinque: that part is trivial. [18:24]
trinque is not, computer isn't trustworthy [18:25]
ascii_field but then again the whole thing is trivial. [18:25]
ascii_field but i do not have a fab. wake me up when you have one. [18:25]
jurov how was the tx issue resolved? aa956edc2dd94722b5794eaf4e987ebdc8189d2e4c6334c433d7514a28d6b3ab [18:25]
mircea_popescu or a dirigible. so much stuff hanging... [18:25]
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mircea_popescu jurov foced mining. [18:25]
jurov alf gotta switch to "unfreeze me when..." [18:26]
jurov as in, you have a deal with miner? [18:26]
ascii_field 'resurrect me when' [18:26]
mircea_popescu suffice it to say, 4kb txn SHOULD NOT have any fucking problems. [18:26]
ben_vulpes 'can also have problems' [18:27]
mircea_popescu the relay network is gettng ever shittier. [18:27]
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ascii_field jurov: it ended with me scouring several GB of packet dump for the tx and not finding it [18:27]
ascii_field despite mircea_popescu transmitting nonstop [18:27]
ascii_field directly to my node. [18:27]
mircea_popescu well. "directly" [18:27]
ascii_field aha. [18:27]
ascii_field 'directly.' [18:27]
ascii_field the only kind we presently have. [18:28]
mircea_popescu ascii_field at least i didn't need a si fab for it eh. [18:28]
trinque "If you wish to eat a nagant, you must first invent the universe." [18:28]
* mircea_popescu intends to mine 1mb txn at some point, just for the fu factor. [18:28]
trinque - Carl Sagan [18:28]
mircea_popescu (the summary of the txn for the curious : 4223 bytes, 250000 fee, 28 inputs of which 17 = 1 satoshi, 2 outputs. none of this should be controversial. fix your implementations of bitcoin relay) [18:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it never landed. [18:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267938 << apparently he never discovered porn. [18:34]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:47:25; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. << eh, geddoutofhere. [18:34]
* ben_vulpes expects slurptxn at some indefinite point [18:34]
jurov there's porn worth preserving? [18:36]
ascii_field ^ [18:36]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:36]
mircea_popescu i have more than a coupla gb of porn i shot myself of my own women. and im keeping it. [18:36]
mircea_popescu so there goes that theory. [18:37]
ascii_field preserve, preserve. [18:37]
mircea_popescu also ftr, the size of the cd was set that way because a certain bigwig wanted to listen to a certain symphony without interruption. [18:37]
mircea_popescu there's easily plurious gb of music i also similarly want. [18:37]
mircea_popescu there's at least 1k movies that must be kept, and even at the modest 700mb a pop that's 700gb consequently. [18:38]
mircea_popescu etc [18:38]
ascii_field what would mircea_popescu hypothetically ~personally~ pay per byte to preserve them ? [18:39]
mircea_popescu an ounce of usian blood, for starters. [18:39]
ascii_field in the sense of where they would otherwise disappear. [18:39]
ascii_field easy to pay with someone else's ! [18:39]
mircea_popescu exactly. [18:39]
mircea_popescu the first and foremost function of government : pointing at whose blood must pay for which bytes. [18:40]
ascii_field how else. [18:40]
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mircea_popescu assbot approves. [18:41]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [18:41]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [18:41]
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* ascii_field was distracted by fist-sized butterfly trying to get through window glass. a very rare sight in this part of the world. [18:41]
mircea_popescu butterfly landed on my icecream once. [18:42]
mircea_popescu i srsly think it wanted a taste. [18:42]
thestringpuller moar comedy gold from #bitcoinxt: [18:42]
thestringpuller 16:55 < Aquentin> if we're ever so lucky as to make use of 8gb blocks [18:42]
thestringpuller 16:56 < Aquentin> you'd think miners would love all these new potential users... [18:42]
thestringpuller 16:56 < Aquentin> instead they want price fixing lol - how dum [18:42]
mircea_popescu potential users can go grab the mains [18:43]
mircea_popescu help reduce carbon footprint with their potential. [18:43]
ascii_field 'whaddayamean the butcher wants to sell the meat, think how many flies he could get' [18:43]
mircea_popescu the mark of true potential is when the grid doesn't shake you, but you shake it. [18:43]
mircea_popescu this is what mit does, incidentally. "potential engineers". so are you engineers ? no, but we could be. [18:44]
cazalla https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3jgsqs/a_reminder_that_this_guy_is_a_fine_citizen_and/ [18:44]
assbot A reminder that this guy is a fine citizen and staunch defender of small-blockistan. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYJeOP ) [18:44]
mircea_popescu my horse also, could be. [18:44]
mircea_popescu staunch defender ? and here i thought i fucking started the whole thing. [18:45]
mircea_popescu must read reddit more, they know from history. [18:45]
mircea_popescu "We saw this kind of thing a quarter-century ago, when debates raged over whether commercial activity should be tolerated on the Internet. To those, for whom the World Wide Web and WiFi have always existed, such a question might seem unthinkably naive, but back then the idea of Suits playing in Propellerheads' sandbox was the stuff of epic flame wars." [18:46]
mircea_popescu herp. [18:46]
mircea_popescu the difference between now and then is you didn'tr have a nigger president, derps. [18:46]
mircea_popescu "Anyone who has arrived early at a general admission event will recognize the feeling. You lay out your blanket, thus marking off a small piece of territory for yourself. The other early arrivals do the same. After a while, you start to feel as though that patch of land is yours by right. [18:46]
mircea_popescu With time, new arrivals stand around you, generally trying not to step onto your blanket. As the beginning of the event approaches, you find yourself staring into the rather private areas of those who arrived after you, and might even feel a bit of resentment at their impertinence. [18:46]
mircea_popescu Eventually, it is utterly hopeless. You stand and try not to lose any of your possessions as the crowd crushes in around you." [18:46]
mircea_popescu aaaahahahaha. jesus it must suck to live in the us. [18:47]
mircea_popescu anyway. bitcoin is not a "general admission event". [18:47]
cazalla i always find these threads amusing tbh [18:48]
cazalla utter waste of time, but amusing [18:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267975 "energy". it's getting to where the use of a term without actual equations in the text is a macula of idiocy. [18:49]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 13:29:24; funkenstein_: -- celestine prophecy [18:49]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: one of my secret pleasures is to track historical patterns of linguistic theft by pseudoscience from the genuine article [18:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267982 << from what i gather it's "antiquated" and "only used in jest" the same sig heil is. [18:51]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 13:33:50; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267185 <-- I'm told the phrase is antiquated and mostly used in jest today. Perhaps interesting that the translation of "revolution" is more akin to "molting" than "spinning". [18:51]
mircea_popescu ascii_field this is not even pseudoscience. direct equivalent to "respeto" [18:51]
mircea_popescu it probably was "gratia" 1k years ago. [18:51]
ascii_field aha [18:51]
ascii_field but today it is 'energy' [18:51]
ascii_field and it is no particular mystery why [18:51]
mircea_popescu because science was cool 50 years ago ? [18:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @#64; 0.00074659 = 20.6059 BTC [+] {3} [18:52]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: aaaahahahaha. jesus it must suck to live in the us. << we usians are pretty much living in idiocracy. soon we'll see mass famine due to watering crops with electrolytes. [18:52]
mircea_popescu i don't think the mexicans will allow that. [18:53]
mircea_popescu blessfully. [18:53]
thestringpuller one can only hope. [18:53]
mircea_popescu [Mirrored from: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/philg/research/shame-and-war.html ] [18:53]
mircea_popescu check it out, mit is making potential potentials! [18:54]
ascii_field dead [18:54]
mircea_popescu so what is the point of mit ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu someone please explains. "mit exists so that...". fill in. [18:55]
ascii_field who said there was a point ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu can't even fucking keep an article made by its own employees. [18:55]
ascii_field it is ~there~, like washington [18:55]
mircea_popescu and then funkenstein wants to talk about "the library of alexandria". because branding. [18:55]
mircea_popescu how many libraries of alexandria has each derpy us university destroyed each year since 1965 ? [18:56]
mircea_popescu oh, there isn't a word for that so it isn't a thing ? or what ? [18:56]
ascii_field everything about mit worth preserving even theoretically costs about 100 usd and is on my bookshelf. [18:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field besides the point. [18:56]
ascii_field everything else - straight to the fermenter vats. [18:56]
mircea_popescu (and since we're doing historical recovery here : the "shame and war" quote comes from churchill, but specifically - it was in a letter to walter guiness. who was assassinated in 1944. by lehi, which was a sort of jdf of the time) [18:57]
ascii_field of course churchill [18:57]
ascii_field who else [18:57]
* ascii_field thought this was well-known in english world [18:58]
ascii_field re: mit, obligatory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=531294 [18:58]
assbot It it just me who is seeing a cowardly surrender to cultural decay here? From th... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYMrxJ ) [18:58]
jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvJcPToXb0 sc13nc3!!! [19:01]
assbot Что будет если в Колу добавить ПРОПАН ? Coca Cola + propane = Mega ROCKET - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYNaPw ) [19:01]
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ascii_field happy mc68k-ing BingoBoingo [19:03]
jurov BingoBoingo: will you fellate it? [19:03]
BingoBoingo jurov: Unfortunately my jaw does not unhinge like a python so unlikely [19:03]
ascii_field should've gotten the 89 if that were the plan [19:03]
ascii_field 92 is a bit wide [19:03]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Thank you for pointing out that market opportunity. [19:04]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: you could probably get'em even cheaper if you figured out where they are and why [19:04]
ascii_field but unless you need 1,001 of them - no reason to [19:04]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: I saw some lots for sale at a far sheaper per unit price. I may have to investigate [19:05]
mircea_popescu "What creativity can there be when your medium is shit mixed with sawdust?" [19:06]
mircea_popescu The same sort of creativity artists possess, who work with media that are idiosyncratic. [19:06]
mircea_popescu omfg ycombinator is worse than reddit [19:06]
mircea_popescu they should just buy it and run it togeoops nevermind. [19:06]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i wrote this [19:06]
ascii_field and i still insist, shit is not paint [19:06]
mircea_popescu you wrote the quote, im discussing the response. [19:06]
ascii_field ah [19:06]
ascii_field lol [19:06]
mircea_popescu "The same sort of creativity artists possess, who work with media that are idiosyncratic. It's a different mindset. I see the reddit-gen programmers talk about things on a completely meta-level. To them, MySql is the hardware. Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily. Some of them hopefully will dig down the stack and be the low-level heroes. But that should (and probably can) only be a small percentage. [19:07]
mircea_popescu Now I guess one could argue that those sorts of heroes are what MIT is supposed to produce, but as has been mentioned, this course is not just for CS students. So the real question is, can the CS heroes of tomorrow survive an introductory course in Python? Well, consider that they have probably been modding games since 10, hacking PhP at 12, realizing at 14 they need to learn a 'real' language (C#, Ruby, Python), by 15 [19:07]
mircea_popescu I bet they've abstracted out the fact that languages are not all that important; they're just the tip of the iceberg of complexity. [19:07]
mircea_popescu So yes, I think they will survive." [19:07]
mircea_popescu "we have no answers and are too fat and lazy to move, so let's just agree they will be supplied for free from the ethers as we need them" [19:07]
ascii_field lol did i even dignify that with an answer ?! [19:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, lol at cute young alf trying so hard. [19:08]
mircea_popescu yes lol, and it's funny. [19:08]
mircea_popescu (btw, the lehi/jdf thing above ? nazi ally, originally. yes, that's right.) [19:09]
ascii_field aha [19:09]
mircea_popescu nazis lesser enemies than britain. [19:09]
trinque "sql is the hardware" << ow, right in the youth. [19:09]
mircea_popescu (they also blew up bernadotte. who, amusingly, is very much the character schindler's list is based on, except not named. [19:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'hagana' et al set the gold standard for blowing up brits, aha [19:11]
mircea_popescu because rather than paying dues where they are due, how about we just steal their history and pretend it's this guy's instead. he's cheaper) [19:11]
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thestringpuller trinque: this is how CS students are taught tho sadly. Oracle doesn't with this either. [19:13]
thestringpuller oracle doesn't help with this* [19:13]
thestringpuller the spam has begun! [19:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268026 << to no-one's surprise. [19:16]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 14:08:50; shinohai: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/local/downtown-austin-vault-of-precious-metals-turns-up-/nnYS2/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/2X7WjLwJ7M [19:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268048 << that much, yes. [19:18]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 14:21:26; asciilifeform: the conflation of 'owning gold' and 'using xyz vault' is also reminiscent of the mtgox mediatronic idiocies [19:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268077 << nature. for the same reason smart people have idiot kids, idiots usually have smart[er] offspring. [19:21]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 15:11:20; shinohai: Who allows these people to reproduce? [19:21]
* shinohai was flabbergasted these ppl are so upset over such a trivial thing. [19:23]
jurov ;;isup blockchain.com [19:23]
gribble blockchain.com is up [19:23]
jurov it says maxed requests [19:24]
jurov first spam victim, as usual :) [19:24]
ascii_field l0l, qntra linked from bci ! [19:24]
kakobrekla where? [19:25]
ascii_field kakobrekla: the streamer box [19:25]
ascii_field titled 'Turns out the current crisis was predicted back in early 2013. Goess by whom.' [19:25]
ascii_field which is a reddit page, which is a link to qntra [19:26]
kakobrekla ah. sez reddit. [19:26]
mircea_popescu "Is it saved in RAM anywhere or perhaps in the java?" << ironically it prolly is lol [19:26]
kakobrekla weird, that 'news box' is usually full of _OLD_ spam [19:26]
mircea_popescu yeah blockchain's aobut as useful as a suntime umbrella. [19:26]
kakobrekla Invest BTC in peer-to-peer loans and get 19% APR with BTCJam.com [19:28]
kakobrekla BTCJam < 1 minute ago [19:28]
kakobrekla this has been on it for months [19:28]
kakobrekla or maybe they lower the apr and make it news [19:28]
kakobrekla dunno. [19:28]
shinohai Now the dogecoin derps are experts in what bitcoin should be doing: http://digiconomist.net/interview-ross-nicoll [19:35]
assbot Bitcoin Needs To Stop Talking & Start Doing - Digiconomist ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYVTqx ) [19:35]
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trinque "huge lack" << stops reading [19:36]
trinque signs of a miswired brain [19:36]
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BingoBoingo TLDR; Most of Autism is caused by shitty parents http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/09/is_autism_permanent_some_children_diagnosed_with_autism_seem_to_grow_out.html [19:52]
assbot Is autism permanent? Some children diagnosed with autism seem to grow out of the core symptoms. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYWHvJ ) [19:52]
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trinque BingoBoingo: "My son screams when anyone touches his toys." ... "So, kick his ass when he does that?" [19:56]
trinque would not surprise me at all that a lot of this is normal misbehavior left festering like an untreated wound [19:57]
shinohai Maybe their nest monitor went down and the kids got autism when they weren't being watched. [19:57]
BingoBoingo trinque: Basically that and "My kid was autistic but got better when socialized 40 hours a week with people who give a fuck." [19:57]
trinque no app for that [19:57]
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BingoBoingo TrueFax: Apps cause Autism [20:05]
cazalla an anecdote, but parents want to label their kids autistic as adhd has been done to death [20:05]
cazalla because, you know, earning the label requires taking your kid to the gp, to a specialist, to an expert, a support group, filling out paperwork for gov autism assistance bezzlars.. wow look at all this attention my kid is getting, must be special and therefore, so am i as a parent, please Like and subscribe [20:07]
mircea_popescu shinohai heh [20:07]
shinohai ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu "the dogecoin derps are experts in what bitcoin should be doing" [20:08]
mircea_popescu "we're very butthurt at how bitcoin excluded us. it should not do that. we're important. and the place we left to failed." [20:08]
cazalla Always Unique, Totally Interesting, Sometimes Mysterious [20:09]
mircea_popescu "Always Unique, Totally Interesting, Sometimes Mysterious" << about 1/4 of all retarded housewife profiles. [20:09]
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mircea_popescu "i'm 30 and my life is over now because i can't be arsed to learn any skills" [20:10]
mircea_popescu !up rektimus [20:10]
-assbot- You voiced rektimus for 30 minutes. [20:10]
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shinohai Ah yes. And naturally they must prove their superiority by some means. [20:12]
shinohai I have a never-ending supply of butthurt-bandaids. ( ::: [ ] ::: ) [20:14]
mircea_popescu should be ( ::: [x] ::: ) [20:14]
mircea_popescu if you liked the above bandaid please like and subscribe to the thread! [20:15]
shinohai lol [20:16]
shinohai have an upvote ^ [20:16]
BingoBoingo I thought for true butthurt you needed [=========]~~~~~~ tampons instead to apply pressure to the bleeding. WTF is a bandaid going to do? [20:17]
BingoBoingo Wait, is that a tampon or a pipe bomb [20:18]
shinohai looks like jizz escaping a fleshlight to me [20:21]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2896 << From Baltimore [20:24]
assbot JL: Labor Day in Harm City ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUZ8kA ) [20:24]
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mircea_popescu "We are all now well aware that the authorities will do absolutely nothing to protect citizens or businesses and will dedicated %100 of their resources to protecting the police and government personnel and facilities." [20:33]
mircea_popescu doh. [20:33]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfbhdELQLA [20:33]
assbot Seinfeld clip George fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JV0Q5H ) [20:33]
mircea_popescu meh wrong clip. [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @#64; 0.00073709 = 23.7343 BTC [-] {3} [20:36]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuP9YClyPRY [20:36]
assbot The Best of George Costanza - The Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JV1m3A ) [20:36]
mircea_popescu GEORGE (voice is hoarse from screaming): I...was trying to lead the way. We needed a leader! Someone to lead the way to safety. [20:37]
mircea_popescu ROBIN: But you yelled "get out of my way"! [20:37]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Because! Because, as the leader...if I die...then all hope is lost! Who would lead? The clown? Instead of castigating me, you should all be thanking me. What kind of a topsy-turvy world do we live in, where heroes are cast as villains? Brave men as cowards? [20:37]
mircea_popescu ROBIN: But I saw you push the women and children out of the way in a mad panic! I saw you knock them down! And when you ran out, you left everyone behind! [20:37]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Seemingly. Seemingly, to the untrained eye, I can fully understand how you got that impression. What looked like pushing...what looked like knocking down...was a safety precaution! In a fire, you stay close to the ground, am I right? And when I ran out that door, I was not leaving anyone behind! Oh, quite the contrary! I risked my life making sure that exit was clear. Any other questions? [20:37]
mircea_popescu FIREMAN: How do you live with yourself? [20:37]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Its not easy. [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @#64; 0.0007411 = 33.4607 BTC [+] {5} [20:40]
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* shinohai didn't know mircea_popescu enjoyed Seinfeld . [20:44]
mircea_popescu it's about 90% of all us tv i watched, by volume. [20:45]
shinohai Probably the only show I ever bothered to actually purchase. [20:46]
mircea_popescu "On the eve of what may likely be another effort by the white liberal media to fan the flames of race war in Baltimore, I’m not seeing as much flammable human material as the media priesthood would have us believe. Surely there will be enough entitled racist foot soldiers to set another 154 fires at least, to empty another four dozen pharmacies and liquor stores, terrorizing more of their fellow blacks than anyone. [20:46]
mircea_popescu What I do not see are locals ready to engage in such activity." [20:46]
mircea_popescu lol poor lafond, he could be in rhodesia and not know the difference. [20:46]
mircea_popescu no locals engaging ? of course no locals. don't worry abut it, usg will ship foreign armed thugs across the border for as long as it takes you to kill it. [20:46]
BingoBoingo How quickly He turned from potential interesting read to anthropological case study. [20:47]
mircea_popescu guy's a boxer. what do you want from him. either he gets a master or flails around helplessly, not like he's going to you know, concentrate really hard and attain enlightment. [20:48]
mircea_popescu but anyways. he does get the point about how there's no thieves and police, but unsanctioned criminals and sanctioned criminals. [20:48]
BingoBoingo Yeah. One of the few tolerable US reads. One of the very few east coast ones. [20:51]
mircea_popescu "My commitment to the American people is both simple and straightforward: I will cook any and every number that needs to be cooked. We’ll see continued job growth, probably an unemployment rate under 2 percent. You also have my word that I’ll keep the LFPR above 66 percent. With a little help from my friends, we can probably run a surplus within a year or so, and pay down all our debt over the next decade or so. No [20:53]
mircea_popescu thing we can’t do with a little moxie and an Excel spreadsheet or two. (Jeb! – that 4% growth rate you’re pining for? Call me.) [20:53]
mircea_popescu Let’s get serious here – if you think the government is cooking all manner of economic releases, you need to explain the LFPR." [20:53]
mircea_popescu lmao check out ritholtz. [20:53]
mircea_popescu "we are lying through our teeth and if yo usay this you gotta explain our crankbait" [20:53]
mircea_popescu derp. you don't control the narrative. i control the narrative. get fucked. [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @#64; 0.00074816 = 15.861 BTC [+] [20:56]
shinohai Heh: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html [20:57]
assbot HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the distributed, permanent web ... ( http://bit.ly/1L30w9d ) [20:57]
asciilifeform l0l embrace & extinguish of xanadu ! [20:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, re blackholing : did you also get a lot of socket error 113s ? [20:57]
asciilifeform no route to host ? [20:58]
asciilifeform plenty [20:58]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:59]
mircea_popescu doesn't seem to be much pattern to it tho. [20:59]
asciilifeform lemme guess, mircea_popescu's node drifting in space [20:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268123 << pretty much goes without saying, how else ? [20:59]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 17:05:30; jurov: and of! course! it uses same random pattern for every block [20:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope, not yet. still doing ~600 blocks/hr [21:00]
asciilifeform neato [21:00]
mircea_popescu tho maybe on the more 500 side of 600. [21:00]
shinohai I am getting some socket recv error 110 [21:01]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268184 <<< this because you never looked at it seriously ? [21:02]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 17:44:48; punkman: ascii_field, I wouldn't think fake capacity numbers are a problem, but yeah I guess you gotta write $x GB of data to it that can't be compressed away [21:02]
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BingoBoingo !up Birdman [21:02]
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mircea_popescu oh shit, 2.2k linmes today . no wonder the log seemed endless. [21:02]
mircea_popescu yo Birdman everyone's looking for you like the 2nd coming in eulora on account of those recipes. [21:03]
Birdman Ah, i'd been inactive as there wasnt anything i could do until i get my bank roll up [21:03]
mircea_popescu talk to danielpbarron or diana or something [21:04]
BingoBoingo Look who returns, the whale clubber http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/#comment-54127 [21:07]
assbot Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1L31LVP ) [21:07]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1269003 << even here we have the fake cn drives, in all form factors even, from doctored thumb drive to hollow laptop ssd containing lead weights and sd reader, etc [21:07]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 23:59:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268184 <<< this because you never looked at it seriously ? [21:07]
asciilifeform even from american retail shops [21:08]
asciilifeform e.g., 'best buy' [21:08]
asciilifeform and no, you will not read about it in the birdcage liner or the fishwrap, because It Never Happened [21:08]
asciilifeform iirc the shop boss claimed that 'someone returned the package with this fake re-shrinkwrapped into it' [21:11]
mircea_popescu aha [21:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @#64; 0.00074843 = 18.5236 BTC [+] {3} [21:14]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269012 <<< I actually got one of these abt a year ago, a thumb drive with a couple of cheap bolts hot-glued to the case. [21:16]
assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 00:05:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1269003 << even here we have the fake cn drives, in all form factors even, from doctored thumb drive to hollow laptop ssd containing lead weights and sd reader, etc [21:16]
* BingoBoingo wonder what interest there would be for physical media containing a WoT attested Blockchain shipped. Rates roughly 0.3 BTC for the media and shipping prices 4 BTC to 400 BTC depending on where the media needs shipped [21:17]
BingoBoingo Expensive shipping, because simplest chain of custody is WoT member hand delivers [21:17]
asciilifeform shinohai et al: i keep waiting for that magical day when these fakes become something like the real thing in the sense of having an embedded wireless nic, silently storing blocks in 'cloud' somewhere [21:18]
asciilifeform it'll be quite like a real drive, but slower, cheaper [21:18]
asciilifeform as i understand this presently exists as a deliberately-crafted commercial product, used in cameras. but picture if it were picked up by cn artisans of flimflam [21:18]
asciilifeform it will be quite the ideal nsatron [21:19]
asciilifeform perhaps even sold openly: 'buy this bottomless drive!' [21:19]
shinohai Remember cn already has the usb chargers that call home [21:20]
asciilifeform shinohai: i keep looking for this, because it'd make a glorious esp8266 substitute [21:20]
asciilifeform but somehow they only ever get sold to folks who aren't me [21:20]
asciilifeform ditto the famous teapot [21:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 4 BTC to 400 for shipping ?! what do you intend to use, ballistic rocket ? [21:21]
shinohai Should I stumble upon an example I will gladly hip it to you. [21:21]
shinohai *ship [21:21]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: 4 BTC to 400 for shipping ?! what do you intend to use, ballistic rocket ? << Self + vehicles [21:22]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what is the purpose of this? i mean, you can transmit a pgp sig and post the disk [21:22]
BingoBoingo Minimum could probably go lower for exceedingly local deliveries [21:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Purpose is anyone who doesn't want to mess with wires at all. [21:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: l0l! what would this fella use for a node ? gurlz with pencils ? [21:23]
shinohai !s EK-928-C [21:23]
assbot 0 results for 'EK-928-C' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=EK-928-C [21:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe? [21:23]
BingoBoingo Price is kinda to filter out people who wouldn't use girls with pencils [21:24]
asciilifeform at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. [21:24]
asciilifeform the thing is supposed to sync itself, that is part and parcel of how bitcoin is meant to work. [21:24]
asciilifeform every full node is rightfully a walk through all of history [21:24]
asciilifeform if it isn't, it is rather like merely an expensive sort of 'sybil' [21:25]
asciilifeform kinda like what gavin&hearn make. [21:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unrelated but useful for you, http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tiintro/tiintro.htm [21:27]
assbot TI-92 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L340sr ) [21:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the 'equation solver' is actually half of why people bought the thing [21:27]
* shinohai salivates like Pavlov's dog ... [21:27]
BingoBoingo at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << Other reason for oppresive minimum cost [21:27]
asciilifeform shinohai: didja have one of these as a boy ? [21:28]
BingoBoingo Equation solver was why I got TI-89 in HS [21:28]
shinohai I didn't unfortunately :( [21:28]
asciilifeform btw these humble machines were superior to pc in a certain respect - greek symbols on kbd ! [21:28]
asciilifeform (via a meta key, sure. but worked seamlessly!) [21:28]
asciilifeform greek appeared on the early lisp machine keyboards, as well [21:29]
asciilifeform i regard it as the mark of a thinking man's computer [21:29]
asciilifeform who the fuck wants to type the word 'lambda' ?! [21:29]
asciilifeform or 'delta' [21:29]
shinohai This is what I had: http://www.oldcomputers.net/trs80pc1.html [21:29]
assbot Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI4LYC ) [21:29]
asciilifeform shinohai: some folks even today do crypto on these [21:30]
shinohai srsly? [21:30]
asciilifeform aha. [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @#64; 0.00073621 = 9.902 BTC [-] {5} [21:30]
shinohai Found a decent ti-89 for ~$200. [21:32]
asciilifeform http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tiprog/tiprog.htm << even the asinine 'basic' of these things beats just about anything given to pc novices now [21:32]
assbot Programing with the TI-92 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI4ULw ) [21:32]
shinohai Welp my poor ass won't be getting one anytime soon. [21:32]
asciilifeform shinohai: if you're not a schoolboy, avoid the 89. [21:32]
asciilifeform it is ~identical~ to the 92 but has no qwerty [21:32]
asciilifeform 92 is ~25 usd surplus. [21:32]
shinohai O.o [21:32]
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asciilifeform believe or not, they let u.s. schoolchildren use '89' on exams. [21:33]
asciilifeform but not 92. [21:33]
asciilifeform somehow, automagically doing most of symbolic manipulations through sophomore uni maths or so, is a-ok, but oh noez, keyboard could be used to... what? [21:34]
asciilifeform save questions from exam for crib sheet? [21:34]
asciilifeform it never made sense to me. [21:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. [21:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15806 @#64; 0.00073555 = 11.6261 BTC [-] {2} [21:35]
asciilifeform complete with the 3d grapher thing [21:35]
shinohai I must have one. [21:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @#64; 0.00073456 = 8.7001 BTC [-] [21:36]
mircea_popescu perhaps even sold openly: 'buy this bottomless drive!' <<< "unmetered badwitdh!!1" [21:36]
asciilifeform e.g., http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tigraph/IMG00042.GIF [21:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5cSB ) [21:36]
asciilifeform http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/ticalc/IMG00013.GIF << maximi [21:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5dWK ) [21:37]
asciilifeform http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/ticalc/IMG00009.GIF << double integral. [21:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5gBW ) [21:37]
mircea_popescu at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << so guy wants to meet a guy with girls and pencils. [21:37]
asciilifeform etc. [21:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. << Seriously on the AP Calculus test machine and knowing how to use it was THE trump card. [21:37]
BingoBoingo at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << so guy wants to meet a guy with girls and pencils. << mircea_popescu gets it [21:37]
BingoBoingo Or person paying premium to see what someone else's blockchain looks like [21:38]
BingoBoingo Perhaps to compare stored forklets [21:38]
asciilifeform it's like cutting somebody open to count their tree rings or sumthing. [21:38]
BingoBoingo Everything has a price. Even the bad ideas. Someone has to present the possibility to them. [21:39]
asciilifeform http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tialg/IMG00049.GIF << lim. [21:39]
asciilifeform http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tialg/IMG00044.GIF << compositor of functions. [21:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5lp7 ) [21:40]
asciilifeform i'll leave it there. [21:40]
asciilifeform who really desperately wants this, can download emulator [21:40]
asciilifeform it exists. [21:40]
asciilifeform (if you need the rom, ask me) [21:40]
asciilifeform i have a: [21:41]
asciilifeform Dec 25 2000 TI92.ROM [21:41]
asciilifeform sha512:9924f6921f3fcfd9069a79bfb5f49336789a0cf798cabc26660e4d0129d0708cfd32e6960367b5ebc5f34475d24940d244e1f15c752d1f6c9990f10380038873 [21:41]
asciilifeform it is EXACTLY 1MB. [21:42]
asciilifeform impressive, what they fit in there, no ? [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @#64; 0.00074082 = 12.0383 BTC [+] [21:45]
shinohai May I obtain this rom asciilifeform ? [21:45]
asciilifeform interestingly, ti is (or at least was) one of the most tightfistedly-drm-besotten hardware makers; to the point that PEOPLE GANGED UP AND FACTORED THEIR RSA KEY - http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/145/145273.html [21:45]
asciilifeform back when it was nontrivial [21:46]
shinohai jeez 2009 [21:46]
asciilifeform shinohai: your key is not self-signed [21:48]
asciilifeform gpg: 73708B0E: There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user [21:48]
asciilifeform pub 2048R/73708B0E 2015-01-21 shinohai [21:49]
asciilifeform Primary key fingerprint: FDF6 3798 C83A 7B13 75F7 2468 E335 8571 3E18 4252 [21:49]
asciilifeform Subkey fingerprint: 7B0D 6C5D D3C6 46DE EB0D F73D B4A0 4553 7370 8B0E [21:49]
shinohai my bad [21:50]
mod6 please consider updating therealbitcoin www to include the actually usable version thereof ? << The only reason I'm holdin' back here is we don't have a certified release as of yet. Will consider putting up v0.5.4-TEST2 [21:50]
asciilifeform shinohai: i sent it to your email addr [21:53]
asciilifeform shinohai: i guess hitler can decrypt it also, and use the rom. [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @#64; 0.00073451 = 6.5739 BTC [-] {3} [21:53]
asciilifeform shinohai: please consider using a civilized pgp key in the future [21:53]
shinohai I should make a new key, since I discovered keybase was a waste of time. [21:54]
BingoBoingo shinohai: You could do far worse than picking up a TI-92 and some dice [21:59]
shinohai true [22:02]
asciilifeform mod6: i was recently in a slightly awkward situation of explaining therealbitcoin to an intelligent n00b, but not able to recommend anything hosted at therealbitcoin.org for actual use [22:05]
asciilifeform mod6: hence why i asked. [22:05]
asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu even has rel2-beta going on an actual battlefield box. but he's a brave fella, and has fallbacks [22:06]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-09-2015#1264281 [22:07]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator. [22:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ which head did you press to ? [22:08]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: hence why i asked. << it's been on my mind lately. thanks for prodding me. [22:10]
BingoBoingo Gawker Media being dicks to legit working men https://archive.is/4ulHC [22:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L38zmn ) [22:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lulzy. i'm slightly surprised the thing sold at all other than to a junkyard [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @#64; 0.00073775 = 13.8328 BTC [+] [22:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not really. It is hard to get a road worthy title on the things [22:21]
BingoBoingo Even when they run [22:22]
BingoBoingo And the military hummer has a certain stotting value the Ford "King Ranch" doesn't [22:23]
BingoBoingo $12,000-$15,000 also fits the sweet spot for "toy" vehicles. Less than people pay for a boat and more than they can sell it for. [22:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @#64; 0.00073435 = 7.6372 BTC [-] [22:26]
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BingoBoingo Not quite something I can qntra an article about myself http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ashley-richards-animal-crush-video-conviction/ [22:34]
assbot Texas woman convicted of producing 'animal crush' porn films ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3b4Fi ) [22:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @#64; 0.00073367 = 8.4372 BTC [-] {3} [22:36]
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shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3k7pxl/fun_project_make_a_smart_contract_that_pays_out/cuvwbbk [22:49]
assbot peoplma comments on Fun project: make a smart contract that pays out if # of BIP101 blocks stays under a threshold. Possible on BTC if we had OP_CAT & OP_CLTV! ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3cHmu ) [22:49]
shinohai ISP "obliterated" [22:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @#64; 0.00073612 = 1.9264 BTC [+] [22:50]
BingoBoingo shinohai: My hometown made a FTTH project a few years ago, obliterated themselves and the other ISPs by installing the big laser backwards [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12941 @#64; 0.00074692 = 9.6659 BTC [+] {2} [22:56]
shinohai top kek [22:57]
BingoBoingo Took out both other ISPs for the better part of a day, killed the laser too. [22:57]
mike_c asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/bssAWaw.png phuctor not accepting submissions? [22:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYf9t6 ) [22:58]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: ^ which head did you press to ? << wait theres multiple ?! [22:58]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Phuctor is down, moving hosts [22:58]
mike_c ah, thanks [22:58]
BingoBoingo Hopefully Phuctor is back up by November [22:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha it takes a destionation dir name and a patch name (called in this case 'head'). applies sequence up through and including head. [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch [23:04]
asciilifeform srsly ?! [23:04]
asciilifeform iirc that's not even rel1 ! [23:04]
asciilifeform in fact that would leave dns invocation in [23:05]
asciilifeform and prevent a functioning stator, period. [23:05]
* mircea_popescu looks [23:05]
asciilifeform and certainly will not build in rotor. [23:05]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << sequence displayed here is current. [23:06]
assbot [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq ) [23:06]
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mircea_popescu bitcoin < asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch < asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_2d219fdd1a0da960be38797566e9c0820df11ce6.patch < asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation_6ed529e594301a791fb2f8becbe344dd2de9c45f.patch < asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds_a367b89765d0b82ce2c7f8043f52006399a1e0b8.patch < asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud_ebf527ba3b180b1952c4c8b5af990c1fd61e04da.patc [23:08]
mircea_popescu h < asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing_691f046b0a66c2c80deecd8df0b42d11665b0396.patch < asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch [23:08]
asciilifeform this is not a 'v' build... [23:09]
mircea_popescu hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing [23:09]
asciilifeform it won't even function. lacks the db locks correction [23:09]
asciilifeform unless you went and put that in by hand. [23:10]
mircea_popescu it functions somehow. mebbe in in the wrong box [23:10]
* mircea_popescu will sort this out later. [23:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @#64; 0.00074717 = 17.7154 BTC [+] [23:27]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:31]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.61, Best ask: 239.64, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 239.6, 24 hour volume: 14022.04967604, 24 hour low: 238.38, 24 hour high: 245.57, 24 hour vwap: None [23:31]
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