Forum logs for 09 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

gribble	0.364999026669	[00:01]
gribble	0.27158360911	[00:02]
asciilifeform	ty nubbins`	[00:02]
asciilifeform	that must be a refrigerator-sized crate??	[00:05]
asciilifeform	ah	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66324 @ 0.00052734 = 34.9753 BTC [-]	[00:08]
asciilifeform	makes sense.	[00:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00052734 = 20.0389 BTC [-]	[00:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25746 @ 0.00052734 = 13.5769 BTC [-]	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	be right back, magic: the gathering? << meeting, for my improvement	[00:26]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive in total. still can barel	[00:31]
asciilifeform	y stand to hear it mentioned !	[00:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:31]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 01:33:09; mircea_popescu: does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ?	[00:31]
asciilifeform	client AND server.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	monstrous thing, it was.	[00:31]
*	BingoBoingo did not think his abbreviation would be construed to have that meaning. Was just mundane Tuesday sober meeting.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427419 << he bought it to play games, and told the story in the logz, it was lulzy	[00:33]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 01:55:06; nubbins`: til mp owns an ipad	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition	[00:34]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427352 << why would i put in 1 btc to get 0.99 out !?!??!	[00:38]
assbot	Logged on 08-03-2016 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?	[00:38]
asciilifeform	(if ~win~ !)	[00:38]
asciilifeform	https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march << match starts in, iirc, 20 min.	[00:39]
assbot	BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No \| closed 3 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5VsDd )	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39355 @ 0.0005258 = 20.6929 BTC [-] {3}	[00:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6954 @ 0.00052675 = 3.663 BTC [+]	[00:45]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/138 << prb lulz	[00:46]
assbot	Headfirst mining by gavinandresen · Pull Request #138 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrmqHX )	[00:46]
asciilifeform	how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'	[00:49]
asciilifeform	9 times of 10 it gives 'corrupted wallet'	[00:49]
asciilifeform	that trb chokes on, during rescan, and quits.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	so i go and send on another box and guess what, it had previous trb, and tx is high-s.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: txid in pm. but this is sad.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	they should ALL burn.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	the miners, the imbecile komyooonity, the faux nodes, the lot.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this clearly comes next!111	[00:53]
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adlai	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 !	[01:03]
assbot	Match 1 - Google DeepMind Challenge Match: Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6LBCR )	[01:03]
adlai	huh, google's stream is borked	[01:03]
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adlai	seems to work now.	[01:05]
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mircea_popescu	!up rrtgzg	[01:07]
-assbot-	You voiced rrtgzg for 30 minutes.	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	wait, did the korean lose ?	[01:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31780 @ 0.00053049 = 16.859 BTC [+]	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	rpet" and herp derp "i'm running a broken matching engine and find things to 'support' my nonsensical rabidism anywhere i look!!1"	[01:10]
asciilifeform	fucktardedly, the talkingheads of alphago are prattling in front of an ~empty~ vertical go board. The game per se is a small corner inset !	[01:11]
asciilifeform	or hm, now switched to sane picture...	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform liveblog for me plox ? if you're watching this ?	[01:16]
asciilifeform	i will be for anoher few min, falling asleep	[01:16]
asciilifeform	adlai had link earlier if someone wants to see.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	the game is ~dozen mov. in.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	machine is playing timidly	[01:19]
asciilifeform	if that is the word.	[01:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00053073 = 32.693 BTC [+]	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	mkay ima pull this on a projector.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	running outta screens here ;/	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	omfg what is with the talking schmucks.	[01:22]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i could not endure them, cut the audio.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i only see the gesturing. is there a proper feed of this ?	[01:23]
asciilifeform	srsly it feels like an american election crud vid	[01:23]
adlai	"it's numbers that i don't really understand. it's just really large numbers"	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	jesus the actual game is on the insert to the right ? wtf is with that country srsly.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	also why is googlebot playing like a fucking housewife.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	are we going to see a line from sea to sea before this is done ?	[01:24]
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asciilifeform	i said.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	!s housewife	[01:25]
assbot	41 results for 'housewife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=housewife	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10035 @ 0.00053049 = 5.3235 BTC [-]	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	so you did omg.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	i thought i had come up with it on my own! turns out it's from logs ?	[01:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427534	[01:25]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 04:19:40; asciilifeform: machine is playing timidly	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it looks pretty poorly for the bot atm.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	but somebody (adlai?) noted that earlier games were similar	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	ie slow to start ?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	wins on complexity tail end ?	[01:26]
asciilifeform	the box plays very conservatively and waits for meat player to slip	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	aha	[01:26]
adlai	except it seemed in its games against Fan Hui (EU champion) that it never fully capitalized on slips	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i'm kinda surprised they didn't brand the table.	[01:27]
adlai	just kept playing the most "consolidating" moves	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	if it makes the 5 line i'm gonna stop watching this.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	SLITGHTLY better.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	"who plays like this!"	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	"well... nobody, really."	[01:31]
asciilifeform	i am nearly through	[01:31]
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mircea_popescu	also interesting how they tuned the depth search. playing very fast early.	[01:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00052784 = 29.5854 BTC [-]	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	apparently google thinks early game not so important in go.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	certainly go with the whole "not really playing, just waiting for human player donations"	[01:34]
asciilifeform	and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	i kinda appreciate the irony of the talk radio derps having chairs but only for display, not to sit in	[01:36]
asciilifeform	and yes it's a flytrap	[01:36]
deedbot-	[Qntra] FBI Agents Investigated For Misconduct In Lavoy Finicum's Murder While Insisting Slaying Was Justified - http://qntra.net/2016/03/fbi-agents-investigated-for-misconduct-in-lavoy-finicums-murder-while-insisting-slaying-was-justified/	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera << It's a common reflex among people who don't grok how cameras work in relation to their body.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	waits, waits.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	oh my fucking god.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	enough of this stupid shit.	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform alphago can't play, for srsly.	[01:38]
*	asciilifeform turning in. sznore.	[01:38]
adlai	unfortunately it seems their target audience are those who just channel surfed their way over from tennis	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	why, they added yelps and some young buttocks ?	[01:42]
adlai	it's helpful for people who have never actually played go but the 9p (lighter suit, who does most of the talking) is a little wasted, explaining these most basic things	[01:44]
adlai	"it's really complicated, yeah" instead of ...	[01:45]
adlai	aha. this is the english commentary, and on the other side of the wall is the korean commentary. they probably speak real go terms over there.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	is michael redmond actually working on the google side ?	[01:48]
adlai	goodnight asciilifeform	[01:48]
adlai	michael redmond is working on the "lee sedol's new haircut" side	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	is there actually any other 9 dan anglo guy ?	[01:49]
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adlai	nope	[01:49]
adlai	watts:zen :: redmond:go	[01:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.00052611 = 40.3526 BTC [-] {2}	[02:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00052755 = 25.1641 BTC [+] {2}	[02:19]
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BingoBoingo	lulz! https://archive.is/090h9	[02:20]
assbot	Ideal Conceal - Concealed Carry, CCW, Best Concealed Carry ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2Uo5x )	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	Looks like a ipNohe	[02:21]
pete_dushenski	the price is right. $395 is ~half iphone	[02:21]
pete_dushenski	100% more parts are 'made in america' with gun than with phone too	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	I didn't look into it that far.	[02:22]
pete_dushenski	;;ud bobbaing	[02:23]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bobbaing \| ... Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for bobbaing yet. Can you define it? Define it! Random Word ...	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	like propping, perhaps	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	;;seen eskimobob	[02:24]
gribble	eskimobob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 35 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: no idea how executions are shown on btct	[02:24]
pete_dushenski	eskimobob would've never asked that question about trilema	[02:24]
pete_dushenski	s/asked/had	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	Eh. Maybe I'm just confused. Today was a good day so brain exhausted.	[02:27]
pete_dushenski	l0l	[02:29]
BingoBoingo	Seriously picking up a reciprocating saw was a great move.	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427504 << read as 'headfist mining by gavinandresen', thought this sounded like a brighter, cheekier side of the old coon.	[02:30]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 03:46:18; assbot: Headfirst mining by gavinandresen · Pull Request #138 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrmqHX )	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427505 << have you tried funky's patch for importprivkey ? has... anyone here tried it that can share feedback on the experience ?	[02:31]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 03:49:24; asciilifeform: how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'	[02:31]
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trinque	pete_dushenski: his patches have never failed me; the wallet itself on the other hand does consistently	[02:36]
trinque	loses track of balance and I have to delete wallet.dat and reimport the key	[02:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00052554 = 35.6316 BTC [-] {4}	[02:36]
trinque	!rated funkenstein	[02:36]
assbot	funkenstein is not registered in WoT.	[02:36]
trinque	wat	[02:36]
pete_dushenski	trinque: LOSES TRACK ???!	[02:36]
pete_dushenski	there's an underscore at the end	[02:37]
trinque	!rated funkenstein_	[02:37]
assbot	You have not rated funkenstein_.	[02:37]
trinque	!rate funkenstein 1 wrote a useful patch for importprivkey	[02:37]
assbot	funkenstein is not registered in WoT.	[02:37]
trinque	!rate funkenstein_ 1 wrote a useful patch for importprivkey	[02:38]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/defddc212c573414	[02:38]
pete_dushenski	!rate petertodd -5 posturer who misrepresents privacy vis-a-vis bitcoin http://archive.is/FuMrf#selection-1137.257-1139.180	[02:38]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6ca7f2f24cf863c4	[02:38]
assbot	Bitcoin at crossroads: The Canadians who may have saved virtual currency — or ruined it ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbFx6W )	[02:38]
trinque	!v assbot:trinque.rate.funkenstein_.1:14d8a2667fdf7203f1ae25b4cd8664ffb4360eab136e4ee9eb22f7a4101b9de2	[02:38]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for funkenstein_ with note: wrote a useful patch for importprivkey	[02:38]
trinque	;;later tell funkenstein_ hey, regrind your vpatch and I'll sign it	[02:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13981 @ 0.00052539 = 7.3455 BTC [-] {4}	[02:39]
trinque	pete_dushenski: yep, I have seen a negative balance often	[02:40]
trinque	rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva	[02:40]
trinque	when I find time.	[02:40]
pete_dushenski	were you importing into wallets that already had a balance ? just trying to understand the boundaries of this phenomenon	[02:40]
trinque	it may be limited to the sendmany RPC; that's what I'm using	[02:41]
trinque	did this to have exact control over what fee is sent	[02:43]
trinque	I also had to lower a constant which didn't seem worth its own vpatch	[02:43]
pete_dushenski	trinque: have you tried 'sendtoaddress' as well ?	[02:44]
trinque	I haven't. doesn't that send change back to some other address which is part of the "account" ?	[02:47]
pete_dushenski	i believe so	[02:48]
trinque	yeah, I want the change coming right back to the deed address, so I use sendmany and explicitly state the change	[02:49]
pete_dushenski	that makes sense	[02:49]
trinque	then the balance goes to -0.0002 (fee + deed spend) so I smell a floating point fuckup	[02:49]
pete_dushenski	and it just stays like that indefinitely, but still allows for further spending ?	[02:50]
trinque	allows no spending	[02:50]
trinque	I must reimport :p	[02:50]
pete_dushenski	omgerd that's lame	[02:51]
trinque	if only it were possible to select the transactions referencing a given address whose outputs are referenced by no other transaction's inputs	[02:51]
trinque	some kind of... query... or something	[02:51]
trinque	no we should have getutxos instead!	[02:51]
trinque	because reasons, and databases never happened	[02:51]
pete_dushenski	in any event, that's some seriously bizarre wallet behaviour	[02:54]
trinque	ayep	[02:54]
trinque	I'm off to bed, gnite!	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	cheers	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	in other turning-shit-into-gold news, http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/04/15/japanese-craftsmen-strike-again-make-old-beat-up-book-look-as-good-as-new/	[02:54]
assbot	Japanese craftsmen strike again: Make an old, beaten-up book look as good as new \| RocketNews24 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbGPPo )	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	they got me with the mini-iron	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	it's losing, is it	[03:01]
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adlai	they've forgotten two stones in the analysis board	[03:08]
adlai	white on J1 and black on J2	[03:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89038 @ 0.00052999 = 47.1892 BTC [+] {3}	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	seems altogether dubious the computer is even 2 dan. just one game, sure, but...	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00052698 = 5.059 BTC [-] {2}	[03:17]
adlai	more technicaly commentary at https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live and the game's moves on a clicky board where you can go back and forth at https://online-go.com/demo/114161	[03:18]
assbot	AlphaGo ?p vs Lee Sedol 9p, 0400 UTC (8pm PST) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbIR29 )	[03:18]
assbot	The best place to play go online! ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbIRir )	[03:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052698 = 18.5497 BTC [-]	[03:23]
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adlai	heh redmond is (more often than not) correctly predicting both players' moves	[03:32]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] The King of Comedy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-king-of-comedy/	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	trinque> rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva <<< a raw tx manipulator for trb is prolly a very useful item, really.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	trinque> some kind of... query... or something << heh.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	and in other goodnight news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/46dad3e52c8433bc64e655fc5532e7fb/tumblr_methweCg4H1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[03:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1XbKAVb )	[03:42]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: we signed it by show of hands - it was just a commitment to encourage tolerance and respect in the ecosystem, and if any of our employees overstep that we will reprimand them	[03:51]
fluffypony	I generally agree with the "don't be a giant douchenozzle" principle, and as long as employees are operating in any capacity representing one of my companies they don't have permission to be a giant douchenozzle on my behalf (what they do in their own time and of their own volition I don't care about)	[03:53]
adlai	first blood! lee sedol captures an alphago stone	[03:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75952 @ 0.00053008 = 40.2606 BTC [+]	[04:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00052906 = 36.7697 BTC [-]	[04:19]
adlai	lee sedol resigns. wtf?	[04:35]
fluffypony	I dunno	[04:37]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b32	[06:35]
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davout	bonjour à tous!	[06:45]
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punkman	adlai: lee sedol resigns. wtf? << interesting. maybe someone should open another bet? you'd get nice odds betting on "No" now	[07:00]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427481 I remember the official client was impossibly clunky and annoying when I used it. Must have been an epic quest to cover all the edge cases in the game's rules. "Apprentice" was kinda cool, just gave you a tabletop and you had to manually make all the moves.	[08:44]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 03:31:17; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just ab	[08:44]
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punkman	I played online tournaments with Apprentice a lot for a while. Now I wonder what kind of security/crypto the thing implemented, if any.	[08:47]
punkman	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprentice_%28software%29#Backwash oh right	[08:48]
assbot	Apprentice (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/222cKoN )	[08:48]
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punkman	http://apprentice.nu/ 2.0 apparently lets you play any kind of card game	[08:51]
assbot	Apprentice ... ( http://bit.ly/1px2kjd )	[08:51]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427602 << it's an auto-completion i set long ago to replace vulgar words; it's from habbo hotel	[10:01]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 05:23:19; pete_dushenski: ;;ud bobbaing	[10:01]
danielpbarron	removed them after that paste; it only ever effected pasted, as I rarely type the words it would replace	[10:03]
jurov	https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DdIVwSiH2A4/Vs2xJ76mDYI/AAAAAAAJ74o/_axPXhilkrU/w606-h403-no/1.gif	[10:03]
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mircea_popescu	adlai> lee sedol resigns. wtf? << are they buying this or wtf.	[10:20]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 04:10:08; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo this prolly shoujld be qntra	[10:22]
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mircea_popescu	"I was very surprised," said Lee after the match. "I didn't expect to lose. I didn't think AlphaGo would play the game in such a perfect manner.	[10:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was just about to say	[10:23]
asciilifeform	looks like he's throwing the match ?	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	pretty trippy.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	DeepMind founder Demis Hassabis expressed "huge respect for Lee Se-dol and his amazing skills," calling the game "hugely exciting" and "very tense." Team lead David Silver said it was an "amazing game of Go that really pushed AlphaGo to its limits."	[10:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	are these people off their fucking rocker ?	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	do they play a different go where they're from ?	[10:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the folks who work on bots, largely don't play (with any degree of seriousness)	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	"I don’t regret accepting this challenge," said Lee. "I am in shock, I admit that, but what's done is done. I enjoyed this game and look forward to the next. I think I failed on the opening layout so if I do a better job on the opening aspect I think I will be able to increase my probability of winning."	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	holy shit. what !	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	he expects he lost ON THE EARLY GAME ?!	[10:25]
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mircea_popescu	in other korean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be2b49cdae985da75fe2dfa77328553/tumblr_methp93NfS1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[10:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Szb6sh )	[10:26]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 13:26:24; nubbins`: more like "case 2: the shop pays a cleaner once a month to clean rugs. random asshole thought the rug cleaners weren't coming so he paid a second rug cleaning service to clean the rugs. then the regular rug cleaners came and cleaned the rug again. then random asshole tries to bill the shop for a needless rug cleaning that he ordered himself"	[10:26]
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shinohai	not unlike: http://www.ktuu.com/news/nation/person-complains-about-airport-noise-6500-times/38403212	[10:31]
assbot	Person complains about airport noise 6,500 times \| National News - KTUU.com Anchorage ... ( http://bit.ly/1SzbOG0 )	[10:31]
*	mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	or else i'd be rather pissed off today.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	punkman but it's the one with the "lands" to get mana to support troops is it ?	[10:35]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427755 << 'don't love anything - it could die' ?	[10:38]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	no, more like "love only things you're actually sure about"	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	the problem with loving go, like "loving science", like generally all sorts of investments of the self children are forced into, is that they end up importing "the people".	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	for instance - everyone now invested in go has had his life rearranged by lee sedol's rather erratic behaviour.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	this is a major problem, at least to my eyes. it was just as large, if not nearly as expressible, before the age of bitcoin. by which, to be perfectly specific, i do not mean satoshi crapolade. i mean bitcoinb as in tmsr, and wot and ba and such.	[10:40]
asciilifeform	not so much. but will, when bot is portable and 'griefers' start connecting it to igs, the way chess asshats do	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	which is what, in any proper sense of the term, "bitcoin" and "crypto" even mean. not fucking pgp as seen by the zimmerman that "oh i don't even have the key anymore"	[10:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform very much, for the obvious reason. we care about the heads of things, not the tail of things.	[10:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34017 @ 0.00052437 = 17.8375 BTC [-]	[10:42]
shinohai	Signed into twitter and saw your epic tweet davout :D	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	we're not fucktarded lunacharsky to imagine that "oh, will resist narkopomps in the field". fuck that stupid shit.	[10:43]
asciilifeform	this possibly needs to be expanded ?	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	which part ?	[10:44]
asciilifeform	1) 'the major problem...' and 2) 'which is what... even mean'	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	aite, let's.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	1 should be easy to expand upon. you are familiar with the issues of maintaining software in the beleaguered c world, from what i've seen in the logs. such as you know, no more static linking now. gotta support utf now. (most relevant here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-02-2016#1418193 )	[10:47]
assbot	Logged on 29-02-2016 16:46:29; mircea_popescu: this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4.	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	this problem is not magically limited to software, but universal.	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	people are stuck importing the bleating of moo moos all over the field and in all sorts of capacities, without any sort of modulation at their disposal, even.	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	sure, so you keep the nubbins` out of your house. great. they're going to put some shit on the radio. popculture!!1	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	oh, more radio stations ? great, now the cars are all designed by imbeciles for imbeciles. let's make more houses in autocad! this is how a city looks!	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	whose city ?	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	the list is more or less endless. the problem, more or less felt by everyone (ie, by all persons) and not expressed clearly and rigurously by anyone, because dunno how.	[10:49]
asciilifeform	there are strictly two 'solutions' i know of, 1) get born as mircea_popescu and stay on dirigible as much as possible 2) go perelman and live in the forest with bears and lynx	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable, or the statal / feminine definition of intelligence is "measure of capacity to adapt to environment [that we designed to suit ourselves]".	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am not discussing solutions, and plox not to mix it in we'll never end.	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	the statement was as to the problem and its expression.	[10:50]
asciilifeform	but yes, generally correct statement.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	(en passant : solution 3 is readily apparent, and it begins with selectively beating your children - the runts to death ; and then continuing in this manner. and there's plenty more.)	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	now, as to 2 :	[10:50]
asciilifeform	3 is not a solution if you don't give a fuck about 'next generation' and would rather experience some sanity yourself, or die trying	[10:51]
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mircea_popescu	"bitcoin" in the sense of a collection of (whitepaper by satoshi, 2-3 shitty mutually exclusive prototypes by satoshi, even shittier code in prb) is much like "russia" in the sense of "the kiev kingdom".	[10:51]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoin, in any proper sense, means the republic, and the wot, and the forum, and so on. and similarly "cryptography" means "a bunch of derps on usenet" much in the same way space flight means chimps with monkeys. yes, the inclination to see inanimate objects fly is the same in both animals.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	desires are no basis. "cryptography" does not stem from pgp-zimmerman, but from pgp-ba.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it is deeply satisfying to beat idiots to death. you should try it sometime.	[10:53]
asciilifeform	in exactly same sense as 'gunpowder' means krupp and not chinese fireforks from 1500s	[10:53]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly so.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	satisfactory ?	[10:53]
asciilifeform	sure.	[10:53]
asciilifeform	i have nfi how to beat idiots though, only ever been beaten to death ~by~ idiots.	[10:55]
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mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu> and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable << INtolerable, obviously. and in all fields. much like a smoky kitchen wall is tolerable for just as long as you don't see any actual white stuff for contrast. but bring in a new stove, suddenly the wall needs a paintjob too.	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	whereas before it "didn't".	[10:57]
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mircea_popescu	space flight means chimps with monkeys << ie, chimps with rocks.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	bbl, redoing this wake-up thing, apparently it didn't happen fully.	[11:03]
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thestringpuller	yea. a lot of selling pressure recently. i think node blockchain survived I'll see when it tried to load the index tonight. definitely going to back this thing up daily...	[11:59]
danielpbarron	uncertainty over bitcoin itself	[12:01]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: i expected your blog to be all txtfiles lol	[12:07]
thestringpuller	you actually inspired the theme for my blog	[12:07]
danielpbarron	i didn't really design that. was just the default theme for the latest wordpress	[12:07]
thestringpuller	i was talking about your original website. the <pre> tags and ascii text and links	[12:08]
thestringpuller	and the dpb ascii art	[12:08]
danielpbarron	ah	[12:08]
danielpbarron	i seriously considered the all txt files option, but figured it wouldn't work well with allowing comments	[12:09]
danielpbarron	and now that i've got wordpress running, I kinda like how easy it is to draft stuff	[12:09]
thestringpuller	you can probably make the theme look like files tho	[12:10]
danielpbarron	yeah there's defo changes to be made	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	hmm, anyone recall the place in the log of that discussion of the nth army going through the same field, and seeing the same bridgeheads and valleys and whatnot ?	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	was re the resistance of the medium etc	[12:15]
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mircea_popescu	well this is sad, i can't fucking find it, half hour later.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	i suppose before i'm dead my life will consist of mostly wasting my time trying to find errant bits of log.	[12:30]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the sad part is not even the 'destruction of go' -- but the new lease on life for the vc circus	[13:16]
asciilifeform	consider, the bot was not the product of the 'knowing wtf you're doing' school of ai (which is long dead)	[13:17]
asciilifeform	but the other kind.	[13:17]
thestringpuller	i have a feeling same was said when deep blue beat kasparov...	[13:17]
asciilifeform	it was.	[13:17]
asciilifeform	and was just as true	[13:17]
thestringpuller	you could have sentient bot talk to you and you'd still slap it around I suppose	[13:18]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: there were once two schools of thought re: how to do 'ai'	[13:19]
asciilifeform	one, typified by d. lenat's proggy 'eurisko' (see logs, i posted his s333kr1t paperz once) was of the sane sort	[13:20]
asciilifeform	i.e. attempting to get to the bottom of what thought process ~is~, in a meaningful way	[13:20]
asciilifeform	other - brute force, or sometimes 'meat emulation'	[13:20]
asciilifeform	typified by 'connectionism' (nn) and 'machine learning' (elaborate application of statistical heuristics)	[13:21]
asciilifeform	but neither admitting any element of euriskoism	[13:21]
asciilifeform	so you get a box that sorta, most of the time, does X, but 1) sometimes fails spectacularly for no apparent reason, as if 'alive' and 2) teaches the builder ~absolutely nothing~ useful about X	[13:22]
asciilifeform	e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298	[13:23]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)	[13:23]
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asciilifeform	i will call this - ersatz cognition	[13:25]
thestringpuller	I really don't think you can actually decipher the nature of 'real thought' on current hardware. AI will always be an emulation of the authentic thing.	[13:25]
asciilifeform	because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity	[13:25]
asciilifeform	i've been interested in ~actual~ machine cognition for pretty much my whole adult life	[13:26]
thestringpuller	until you create some kinda hardware mechanism that is true to "real thing"	[13:26]
asciilifeform	because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity	[13:26]
asciilifeform	i've been interested in ~actual~ machine cognition for pretty much my whole adult life	[13:27]
asciilifeform	but as far as i'm concerned, it began and ended with eurisko.	[13:27]
thestringpuller	the most interesting developments won't exist until neuro-interfaces exist.	[13:27]
thestringpuller	because I doubt current humans can make computer better than brain.	[13:27]
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asciilifeform	is bulldozer better than man with shovel ?	[13:27]
asciilifeform	damn what is happening to my terminal	[13:28]
asciilifeform	brb	[13:28]
thestringpuller	bulldozer still requires man.	[13:28]
thestringpuller	shovel requires man.	[13:28]
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asciilifeform	l0l looks like i transmitted everything twice	[13:28]
asciilifeform	apologies for the l0g n0i53.	[13:28]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha	[13:28]
asciilifeform	which quit working when moved to another room.	[13:28]
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trinque	I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc	[13:31]
trinque	it learns how to over time	[13:31]
trinque	this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this	[13:31]
asciilifeform	trinque: do you recall the article where some fella implanted a small magnet into his finger ?	[13:32]
trinque	I do, yep	[13:32]
trinque	the above doesn't seem to bode well for having a model of cognition any time soon	[13:32]
trinque	as it might be drastically different from noggin to noggin	[13:33]
trinque	it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification is a much nearer goal than AI, as the brain's own ability to handle new inputs can be leaned upon	[13:34]
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asciilifeform	(for those who do not - eventually it became 'a sense', and when the thing fell out he was quite distressed and felt blinded)	[13:34]
asciilifeform	trinque: exactly not, though	[13:35]
asciilifeform	because all of the idiot grind ai teaches us NOTHING about thought.	[13:35]
trinque	this is what I'm aiming to say, that my friend has said he knows very little about how the brain forms a picture, only that it will (waves hands) learn to when given input representing one	[13:37]
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asciilifeform	this puts us at approx. ancient greek state of the art.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	'what, pray tell, was the in-between for ?' (tm) (r)	[13:38]
asciilifeform	see also old thread on otp, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2016#1394784	[13:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> but the other kind. << im actually writing about this.	[13:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: neato.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	do you happen to remember the piece i'm looking for ?	[13:54]
asciilifeform	which	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	the one with the army which, going through a field, encounters the same problems all the previous ones did.	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	and so a community of sorts emerges.	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	trinque> it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification << mind amplification is really an everyday thing. that's what b-a does, and before b-a that's what the internet tried, and before that books, and so on.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	fucking dogs do it, some of them at least, as per that experiment discussed in the logs.	[13:56]
asciilifeform	aha!	[13:58]
asciilifeform	!s from:mircea_popescu dog truffle	[13:59]
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asciilifeform	!s from:mircea_popescu point truffle	[13:59]
assbot	0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu point truffle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+point+truffle	[13:59]
asciilifeform	hm	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	;/	[13:59]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo this prolly shoujld be qntra << If someone know something at all about Go, I know jack shit.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima trilema.	[14:01]
asciilifeform	hm was assbot dead that day	[14:01]
BingoBoingo	looks like he's throwing the match ? << Possibru? COunting on people not knowing Go?	[14:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually it was in a pm convo	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	the dog ?	[14:02]
asciilifeform	yes.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[14:02]
asciilifeform	i can post the fragment if you like.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	how about the other one! that's what i really am after.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	and sure, why not.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	and hm, i think it actually got trilemaized	[14:05]
asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2014/the-gui-the-twerk-and-the-most-valuable-resource	[14:05]
assbot	The GUI, the twerk and the most valuable resource on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDMaNV )	[14:05]
asciilifeform	there it is.	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	so it... wasn't pm ? :D	[14:06]
asciilifeform	was.	[14:06]
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asciilifeform	originally	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	check out alfie leaking privkey bits.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	mwhahaha	[14:07]
asciilifeform	hey the p in pm is fictional	[14:07]
asciilifeform	what key.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	aok	[14:07]
BingoBoingo	i didn't really design that. was just the default theme for the latest wordpress << Fing and play with toolbox, and by play with I mean delete shit and make it more minimalist. Do leave the screenreader stuff in and if possibru improve it.	[14:07]
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BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima trilema. << cool	[14:10]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412496 << might be the thread you wanted ?	[14:18]
assbot	Logged on 21-02-2016 21:20:12; mircea_popescu: phf my mental model is essentially "awk without regexp"	[14:18]
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mircea_popescu	nah. much older, was in a tail end of a discussion of art iirc	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	literature, soemthing.	[14:19]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> but the other kind. << there's a deep reason the bayesian religion is widely appealing.	[14:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the root of the matter is an elementary thing. google et al are deeply disinterested in cognition etc. but are paid for specific thing - solving the problem of usg needing an automated gestapo.	[14:52]
asciilifeform	for this, the 'artificial A-student' suffices.	[14:52]
asciilifeform	and is in fact just what the doctor ordered.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> i will call this - ersatz cognition << the problem being that, much like in the case of blub, ersatz cognition can only be recognized by people not blessed with it.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	actually, my favourite quote for that,	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/#selection-21.0-29.341	[14:53]
assbot	Caviarul si fata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJTnM )	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	in translation :	[14:53]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: perhaps different outlook, knowing you can't emulate human mind on current machines. perhaps the only way to "true AI" is some cyborg thing of a brain plugged up to machinery...	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	a young consumation girl [ie, whore], otherwise clever and vivacious, receiving some caviar aside the mug of vodka, proceeded to explain some matters t ome.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	specifically, that these black roe, large and soft as were put before her, are evidently inferior to true black roe, as she always gets at [we're skipping this, lest we shame the third party]. which are small, much, much smaller, needle sized, and tough, so you can crack them in your teeth.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	working by analogy with the fruits in the marketr stall, or perhaps even herself and her sisters, her ladyship figured such : what is good is tough and rocky, what's overripe, soft, unrestrained in the belts of rubbery skin is obviously iunferior.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: pointedly an example of the ~current~ crud	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	let the beluga take its unfortunate form emergently to mr doctor X, so as to receive bookend implants.	[14:56]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: the current crud exists just as alchemy once existed, you expect alchemist to understand modern chemistry?	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway - i welcome the antivirus-based new gestapo. it will doubtlessly work as well as the new us model army, seen at the muchly trumpeted, quickly forgotten tikrit offensive.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller who in your view made the switch between the two ?	[14:57]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i would defer that question to PeterL	[14:57]
thestringpuller	since not being a chemist that is a blurry line	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	traditionally, lavoisier, i suppose. but mind that many people understood what you call chemistry long before the 1600s, and similarly an interest in alchemy survived long after.	[14:58]
asciilifeform	as recently as edison.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	hey, i still read it.	[14:59]
asciilifeform	i meant, live interest, vs archaeological.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	i thought it revolved around understanding.	[15:00]
asciilifeform	or does mircea_popescu read it to learn how to actually produce philosopher's stone.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	no, but i daresay i understand at least parts of it.	[15:01]
asciilifeform	it certainly added up to a coherent whole, at least once you cut away the obscurantist armour.	[15:01]
thestringpuller	well i was more under the assumption philosopher stone of AI (a sorta Star Trek TNG "Data") doesn't currently have a means of existing	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	speaking of ancient arcana - who even noticed that the soviet ideas of central planning are a direct calc copy off the way turkish empire ran ?	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	dandians, duzians, twas a thing.	[15:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not really, no. turks, at least at their height, quite solidly had 'fuhrerprinzip' - all officials, incl. vizir, personal slaves of sultan.	[15:03]
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mircea_popescu	as theory. this theory had lain fallow since suleyman.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter - all soviets, personal slaves of stalin.	[15:04]
asciilifeform	as far as i can tell, turks carried on a healthy, 'asiatic' sort of unbureaucratized barbarism for quite some time - witness how well they got on, for how long, without banks, for instance	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	and since i mentioned the armenian genocide - the experience of erryday life among this lower class in the very wot-driven turkish empire quite exactly maps what i expect to be the lot of the keyless in the not-so-distant future.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform twas deeply bureaucratic. the ENGLISH thought them overbureaucratized.	[15:05]
asciilifeform	this in 19th c. no?	[15:06]
asciilifeform	after they hastily copied euros	[15:06]
asciilifeform	(venetian bank, french army, etc)	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	not so hastily, no. they only started copying under the last sultan, after russian defeat.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	but yes, 18.5-19	[15:06]
asciilifeform	unrelatedly, i read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427949 and wondering about footnote x. despite standing to lose some coin, i do not see how the bet ought to be seen as a sham	[15:07]
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asciilifeform	we knew this is how the machine plays, much earlier	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	so we did.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	in fact, every go robot made to date, at least among the more successful ones, plays like this.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	starting from late '80s	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	we didn't know that "surrender" would be an acceptable end.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	actually most pro games end in surrender	[15:08]
asciilifeform	almost all do.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	how does it work, hassabis goes "hey, quit already, we're running out of tape" ?	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	not with a machine.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	srsly examine any db of pro games	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	NONO. sudden failure for no reason.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	you want to maximize its exposure. no conceivable reason to ever quit.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	i did not say, ~this~ kind of surrender	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	well then.	[15:09]
*	asciilifeform sees where mircea_popescu is going.	[15:09]
asciilifeform	because i've already been there, when woke up today and saw the game.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	the argument is there. not particularly strong. also note that the bar for bitbet arguments is crazy low. we've seen absurdities argued the likes of which would scare a highschool teacher.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	but none of this changes that... the argument IS there.	[15:10]
asciilifeform	sure.	[15:10]
asciilifeform	also if lee sedol is not thinking about the 'maximize exposure' thing right now, he'd have to be a fool	[15:10]
asciilifeform	(or bought)	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	fact is, fraud is traditionally inseparable from this sort of central event	[15:11]
asciilifeform	but the 'end by resign' thing is taught to the pros in childhood, flashed into their bios, so to speak	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	think fixed world series.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	aha.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	what else is "flashed in bios" ? don't whip the wife ? bow before government ?	[15:11]
asciilifeform	only pointing out that the man obviously failed to depart from his 'firmware'	[15:12]
asciilifeform	though it was abundantly appropriate	[15:12]
asciilifeform	somewhat relatedly, my understanding of the history of go, is that match fraud was historically a rarity	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	yes, and peasants playing also never heard of.	[15:13]
asciilifeform	because, partly, the game attracted the very highest caliber of human.	[15:13]
asciilifeform	but also that a thrown match was almost impossible to conceal from expert eye	[15:14]
asciilifeform	to convincingly throw, would take at least the same skill as to win.	[15:14]
asciilifeform	and the incentives were such that the players would rather win.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	it is/was a wot game.	[15:15]
asciilifeform	aha!	[15:15]
asciilifeform	that it was.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	hence, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-03-2016#1427759	[15:15]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 13:38:44; assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.	[15:15]
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asciilifeform	by the same token mircea_popescu can be glad that he never got seriously into, e.g., programming	[15:17]
asciilifeform	but at some point one has to do ~something~	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	i am.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm admitting it as a sin, not proposing it as a moral.	[15:18]
asciilifeform	aha	[15:18]
asciilifeform	go was the last 'noble game'	[15:18]
asciilifeform	which is why it was such an irresistible target for the mediocrity bulldozer.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	imo - go-open-to-public was an unwelcome bastion of "impaciuitorism" in the way of the republic.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	impaciuitorism ?	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	no, we can't have peace with the bourgeois still around. burn them.	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform romanian version of the russian word for "dealing with the capitalists"	[15:20]
asciilifeform	notice, it had to die ~in this specific way~, that is, by ~unthinking ai~	[15:20]
asciilifeform	as per earlier thread.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	likewise chess	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	no industrial giant remotely contemplated funding the other kind of chess (and there ~was~ work, as recently as early '80s)	[15:20]
asciilifeform	elsewhere this process is known as 'deskilling'	[15:21]
asciilifeform	and is discussed in some depth on my www.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	the important point being, that there must be no room, no place and no hope for intelligent men in the society of subhumans.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	the sooner they get the memo, the better.	[15:21]
asciilifeform	i got the memo when i was 5 y.o.	[15:24]
asciilifeform	fat lotta good it did.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	that's step 2.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, bbl.	[15:25]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427870 << i just woke from a nap when reading this, and convinced myself that ~I~ had accidentally skipped up a couple lines and read it again	[15:31]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 16:28:24; asciilifeform: l0l looks like i transmitted everything twice	[15:31]
BingoBoingo	actually most pro games end in surrender << Seems to be one of the few similarities with ches	[15:32]
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thestringpuller	but then again if aliens come down and deliver us philosopher stone that t	[15:40]
thestringpuller	oops	[15:40]
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asciilifeform	http://www.anandpraka.sh/2016/03/how-i-could-have-hacked-your-facebook.html << lulz	[16:16]
assbot	Anand Prakash : [Responsible disclosure] How I could have hacked all Facebook accounts ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRwXJU )	[16:16]
asciilifeform	^ to continue the 'no place to sell 0days' thread	[16:17]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428075 << it stems from no-alternative.	[16:37]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 19:25:33; *: adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature of indiscretionary usage	[16:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428076 << cheap hoax	[16:41]
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asciilifeform	https://malicioussha1.github.io	[16:56]
assbot	Malicious SHA-1 ... ( http://bit.ly/223sKab )	[16:56]
asciilifeform	^ lulzy oldie	[16:56]
asciilifeform	'Did NSA use this trick when creating SHA-1 in 1995? We believe this is unlikely, for	[16:57]
asciilifeform	... The original SHA-1 constants are “nothing-up-my-sleeve-numbers“, derived from the binary representation of the square roots of 2, 3, 5 and 10 ...	[16:57]
asciilifeform	Just before SHA-1, NSA designed SHA-0, for which weaknesses were quickly identified by the research community ... ... [claptrap snipped]'	[16:57]
asciilifeform	!s so room would be empty	[16:57]
assbot	1 results for 'so room would be empty' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=so+room+would+be+empty	[16:57]
asciilifeform	(summary: article elementarily demonstrates that a hash of the sha1 type could be designed with trapdoor. and then argues nonsensically that we 'know' there could have been none such.)	[16:58]
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thestringpuller	#occupybitcoin	[17:47]
asciilifeform	!s http://nsa.unaligned.org	[17:54]
assbot	NSA :: Overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9KpJH )	[17:54]
assbot	0 results for 'http://nsa.unaligned.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnsa.unaligned.org	[17:54]
asciilifeform	^ spiffy.	[17:54]
asciilifeform	'NSA@home is a fast FPGA-based SHA-1 and MD5 bruteforce cracker. It is capable of searching the full 8-character keyspace (from a 64-character set) in about a day in the current configuration for 800 hashes concurrently, using about 240W of power. This performance is equivalent to over 1500 Athlon FX-60 CPUs, which would take about 250kW.'	[17:54]
asciilifeform	'The cracker is built out of surplus Grass Valley HD video transform boards, scrapped by GV because of defects. A useful tool was developed to assist the board reverse-engineering effort.'	[17:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00052317 = 7.7429 BTC [-]	[17:57]
thestringpuller	sounds a lot like proto-mining 2013	[18:00]
thestringpuller	i guess that's all a miner is really...	[18:00]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428097 << waiwut?!	[18:17]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin	[18:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428097 << waiwut?!	[18:18]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin	[18:18]
asciilifeform	ok now i really gotta check my terminal	[18:19]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: a lot of the snoooooore-fest article coming from likes of armstrong and company, sound like stuff people would rant at occupy wallstreet	[18:28]
thestringpuller	saw how much good that did	[18:28]
danielpbarron	to whomever was running a brute force on my wordpress login, yeah I noticed. time to find a new IP	[18:33]
thestringpuller	you don't put wp-admin behind firewall?	[18:37]
thestringpuller	really should put wp-admin behind firewall	[18:37]
asciilifeform	who's armstrong?	[18:37]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/nginx-block-url-access-all-except-one-ip-address/ << for nginx; http://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/website/wordpress/lock-down-wordpress-admin-login-with-htaccess << for apache with .htaccess	[18:39]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: brian armstrong	[18:39]
asciilifeform	!s armstrong	[18:41]
assbot	18 results for 'armstrong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=armstrong	[18:41]
asciilifeform	snore.	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8249 @ 0.00052284 = 4.3129 BTC [-]	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116750 << people come to trilema, seo their link. trilema gives them a gift in exchange.	[18:46]
assbot	The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTpmg4 )	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	18* adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature << doesn't seem glass cannon-y at all, with any patience you could have hijacked some "notable" accounts made them do some funky shit.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	if he was from 4chan, they'd be all voting for m00t.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	"The Police recovered over $500,000 worth of lab equipment stolen from the University, along with 3 hand guns, an assault rifle, 50 years’ worth of military grade rations and twelve 55 gallon barrels (including three almost empty barrels) of what DEA labs have identified as pure liquid Lysergic acid diethylamide, a powerful hallucinogenic drug more commonly known as the street name LSD or Acid."	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	is this a hoax ?!	[18:53]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428130 << which	[18:54]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 21:51:30; mircea_popescu: no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	"It is not yet known if or when Dr. Winston will be convicted of any crime." indicted, convicted, WHAT THE HELL'S THE DIFFERENCE	[18:54]
deedbot-	[Qntra] "Bitcoin Group" Fiat Mining IPO Withdrawn - http://qntra.net/2016/03/bitcoin-group-fiat-mining-ipo-withdrawn/	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quote re scientist with the army rations and lsd barrels.	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	srsly, 3 TONS of the stuff ?	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	http://www.iflscience.org/solar-panels-largely-responsible-for-el-nino-says-science/ << same rag.	[18:56]
assbot	Solar Panels Largely Responsible for El Nino Says Science \| IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9WQVU )	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	nice tho, had me wtf'd for a little.	[18:56]
asciilifeform	consider volume occupied by '50 yrs of rations'	[18:56]
asciilifeform	srsly	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron> to whomever was running a brute force on my wordpress login << there's thousands of boxes working this 24/7. "seo industry".	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform basement could be arbitrarily large because of the nuclear shelter fashion.	[18:59]
asciilifeform	or how many hectares of wheat need to be ergoted to make so much as ONE 'drum of pure lsd'	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	now, THAT.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	besides, what the fuck he drank three ?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	it's not fucking aspirin.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	milligram is 'elephant's dose.'	[19:00]
asciilifeform	whole thing is idiotic.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	but in other "military relations in basements" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7frgkSwrS1rycxrdo1_1280.jpg	[19:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UTrGUk )	[19:01]
asciilifeform	it is likely that no more than a dozen litres of lsd ever EXISTED on planet3.	[19:04]
mats	a pound of the stuff in a local water source sounds like an interesting experiment	[19:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00052284 = 3.7644 BTC [-]	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is correct, lsd is psychoactive in micrgram dosage. which means that yes, go to coca-cola plant, come out a liter of lsd lighter, enjoy fireworks in a billion people.	[19:06]
BingoBoingo	mats: But would it survive that kind of dilution in water?	[19:06]
asciilifeform	mats: degrades QUICKLY in water.	[19:06]
mats	more so than in sunlight?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	didn't they drink it in cool-aid w/e ?	[19:07]
*	mircea_popescu eschewed water plant because chlorine.	[19:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bottle at room temp for few hrs != city water tower (which has cl, etc)	[19:08]
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mircea_popescu	aha!	[19:08]
BingoBoingo	In sad news http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160309192510	[19:09]
assbot	The VAX platform is no more ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9Z6MX )	[19:09]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: they have these bar stools at work for the high tables. the obese people will sit on them and so the pneumatic pump goes out. so now when a normal person sits on it, it slowly sinks down. everytime it happens I'm like "yup an obese person sat on this"	[19:11]
BingoBoingo	lol	[19:11]
BingoBoingo	Can't have nice things	[19:11]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314087	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 02-11-2015 18:53:02; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/zTyfHGs.jpg	[19:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lsd is ~very~ unstable unless dry crystal kept in the dark. hence why it did not work out as chemical weapon.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah yeah ok.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427880 << ftr, this restatement of the plasticity propriety oif the cnc is mostly made of your tradesman's self-flattery (all civilisation is predicated on tramway, sez conductor. neh, on beer, sez publican).	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:18; trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427882 << hey, and the brain learns to make a food out of hamburgers eventually.	[19:17]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:41; trinque: this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427894 << fucking an' partying.	[19:17]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 16:38:47; asciilifeform: 'what, pray tell, was the in-between for ?' (tm) (r)	[19:17]
asciilifeform	but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	void learns(things);	[19:24]
asciilifeform	aha.	[19:24]
asciilifeform	!s natural stupidity	[19:25]
assbot	1 results for 'natural stupidity' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=natural+stupidity	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's very little to be explained, so far. "the brain consists of a varying set of individual cells, in the billions, which have a number of internal states that have not yet been enumerated either in the collective or reliably individual cases, which connect to other cells through a process they apparently to some degree control but is not otherwise understood, forming patters that are not meaningfully	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	described to any degree and moving electric impulses back and forth".	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	what 'explain' ? there aren't the terms in which the explanation would be made.	[19:27]
asciilifeform	consider airplane	[19:27]
asciilifeform	nobody's built a mechanical bird (ornithopter) worth half a shit yet.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	the general complexity of the cell is perhaps the chief lie of popular conception of biology. "oh yeah, nucleus, cytoplasm, yeah i recall". you recall my left foot. golgi apparatus. a whole set of vacuoles. the nucleus has a membrane in layers. there's dozens of different items in there we don't even fully enumerate - and your understanding isn't good enough to stand for the mithocondria, which, incidentally, also has	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	a nucleus.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was not a question of building anything, but of understanding, neh ?	[19:29]
asciilifeform	(none, e.g., can find air currents & glide)	[19:29]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:29]
asciilifeform	but do we understand flight?	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	i would say so, yes.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	i would say that we ~understand~ a thing if we can fully separate the ~accidental~ complexity of it from the ~essential~.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	the feathers, if you will, from the boeing.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	computer, as i like to point out, very much is a boeing with feathers.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	so you're hanging your argument on turbulent flow ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	fine, have it. we still understand flight to a larger degree than cognition.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	i can formulate the flight equivalent of iq ; you can not formulate the cognitive equivalent of energy.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	that was actually my point	[19:34]
asciilifeform	we do.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	and in the latter case - don't	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	heck, the iq nonsense EVEN EXISTS because people get antsy and prefer to pretend.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	entirely meaningless otherwise.	[19:35]
trinque	+asciilifeform \| but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium. << what, you thought I was satisfied with "learns" as a complete description?	[19:35]
trinque	point was the exact opposite	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	trinque you familiar with the pigeon rewiring experiments ?	[19:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity	[19:36]
asciilifeform	which is what it was built for.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	skinner showed most subhumans not so different from pigeons.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:36]
trinque	we've been and will be bolting things to ourselves for far longer than understanding how we're capable of using them	[19:36]
trinque	mircea_popescu: I'm not	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not even that reliably. savant still stupid. it DID work to destroy any usable (by us) notion of stupidity, as far as the harpy wailchorus is concerned.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	that's not working.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	calendar-savant IS stupid.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	high iq.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	like trained dog.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	nope.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	it happens, what.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	it isn't a breakage. iq does not test the 'rng' (eysenck's 'psychoticism')	[19:37]
asciilifeform	!s eysenck	[19:37]
assbot	10 results for 'eysenck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eysenck	[19:37]
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asciilifeform	i once spent several months trying to devise a machine-generatable test that ~could~.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	got absolutely nowhere.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	incidentally, do you have any idea how idiotically SECRETIVE the community is ?	[19:39]
asciilifeform	(of test-makers)	[19:39]
asciilifeform	it is in some respects easier to find nsa material	[19:39]
asciilifeform	than, e.g., 'raven's progressive matrices'	[19:40]
asciilifeform	~because~ : computer - NEVER HAPPEND there.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah. pseudoscience does that.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.	[19:41]
asciilifeform	most lysenkos spam aggressively tho	[19:41]
asciilifeform	not these.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	yeah, there's that.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	thing is, they actually do a job.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	useful in the 60s or w/e, "find the gomer pyles before gunnery sgt gets shot".	[19:43]
asciilifeform	a difficult, thankless job, that is becoming usg-illegal, for decades , slowly	[19:43]
asciilifeform	aha.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	thing is, social media does a better job of this.	[19:43]
asciilifeform	but also 'find the children worth rescuing from the shitpits'	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	never.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	no child was ever rescued.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	"find the children that, on their own strength, may see through the idiocy and give them really heavy stones to lift so they don't".	[19:44]
asciilifeform	yeah yeah nietzsche whatever	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	it only ever worked like that "fairness" thing, what was the short story ?	[19:44]
asciilifeform	!s harrison bergeron	[19:45]
assbot	4 results for 'harrison bergeron' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=harrison+bergeron	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	ALSO for the job of rescuing children, "social media", or rather, the social media facade of b-a works better than iq.	[19:45]
asciilifeform	now this, yes!	[19:45]
asciilifeform	but this latter thing exists in the way nuke power existed in '44.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	so far.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	yes, a small reactor...	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	amuysingly, trilema's most read item this month is http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/	[19:52]
assbot	And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )	[19:52]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many wwwtrons the same size actually have this phenomena, where 3 yo article tops the charts. happens to me rather frequently.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	it's actually rare that something penned the current month is the top read item.	[19:52]
asciilifeform	mine. for YEARS.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah but trilema is larger than verge for traffic, not quite the same.	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	!up tcrypt	[19:53]
-assbot-	You voiced tcrypt for 30 minutes.	[19:53]
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asciilifeform	see, e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42#comments	[19:53]
assbot	Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0s63V )	[19:53]
asciilifeform	immortal thread.	[19:53]
*	mircea_popescu goes to read	[19:54]
asciilifeform	old crud	[19:54]
asciilifeform	still drawing in livid idiots	[19:54]
asciilifeform	'09 - present.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	says 2012 neh ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	look, yesterday!	[19:56]
asciilifeform	2009.	[19:57]
asciilifeform	most recent comment- a few days ago.	[19:57]
asciilifeform	(might have to click page to see it)	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	look, yesterday! <	[19:58]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:58]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-17596 << lulzy	[19:59]
assbot	Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0sz64 )	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, my takeaway from that is that 2012 alfie does not yet know how to go for the jugular of idiots. just identifies things to be angry about, gets angry about them and flails.	[20:00]
asciilifeform	my www gets surprising traffic, naturally to no apparently useful end	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	well, thjat's the fate of the web generally.	[20:01]
asciilifeform	Thursday June 25 2009.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	ah right you are. was going by 1st comment date.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	and did 'go for jugular' on quite a few, see comments ?	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	link me.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	and those of sequel	[20:02]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374	[20:02]
assbot	Loper OS » Of Weighty Matters, or Thumbs Still Down for Clojure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0sY8C )	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	no, link me to an exemplary case of jugular.	[20:03]
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asciilifeform	e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3256 , whole thread?	[20:04]
assbot	Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0t4wU )	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	you probably realise already that once the reference has to be "whole thread" i win.	[20:04]
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asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3385	[20:05]
assbot	Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0tbIX )	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	"Dear Luc prefontaine, > Your last post shows how little you know about Clojure. Your arguments show how little experience (or memory thereof) you have with genuine, interactive, conceptually-consistent Lisp systems."	[20:06]
asciilifeform	and if not this, then i prolly don't even rightfully apprehend what mircea_popescu had in mind	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	let me tell you a story.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	one day, it was the turtle's birthday.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	all its friends in the forest brought it gifts. items that they themselves would have preferred.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	the lion brought it meat. the bear, honey.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	eventually, all the poor turtle got out of the monstrous party was one salad leaf.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	yes, your dismissal of dear luc is, by some sort of exterior standard, correct. this is not the same as confronting the offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~, which is what i had in mind.	[20:07]
asciilifeform	i tried this often, but was never really good at it.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	the idiots have an impenetrable armour plate	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	well cuz you don't like people.	[20:10]
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mircea_popescu	ah, but that's besides the point.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	!up Jordan_	[20:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00052777 = 1.2139 BTC [-] {2}	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform understand, "confronting tghe offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~" does not at all mean "geting him to stop being an idiot". not in any sense.	[20:11]
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asciilifeform	what, then ?	[20:11]
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asciilifeform	also i will note, it is somewhat more difficult to bludgeon morons as a dervish, than from a dirigible.	[20:13]
shinohai	;;ticker	[20:13]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 412.02, Best ask: 412.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 412.02, 24 hour volume: 8895.859384380001, 24 hour low: 407.47, 24 hour high: 414.5, 24 hour vwap: None	[20:14]
shinohai	Nice logs again someone must have given nubbins a xanax.	[20:14]
asciilifeform	'if yer so smart, why aintcha rich!' 'paulgraham hates you, the gods forsake you'	[20:15]
JBBetter	Are there developers in here for bitbet.us?	[20:15]
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mats	yes.	[20:21]
JBBetter	ok, hopefully can message me. Want to discuss about the platform	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?	[20:22]
JBBetter	developing it into something bigger	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	ok, but that's not very specific is it ?	[20:23]
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JBBetter	right, would want to go into pm or private room	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	well, for that you'll have to get into the wot, establish yourself, read the logs for a while...	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	shinohai i guess "community organizing" doesn't pay as well as one'd have expected or w/e.	[20:26]
JBBetter	That is fine with me.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	!h	[20:26]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[20:26]
shinohai	Just ask Obama	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	^ can start there JBBetter	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the “new” ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	also, did you ever hit lydia ?	[20:28]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: did ya spot my PM? :P	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	about the RagnarDanneskjol fellow ? i have no idea what he does tbh.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	;;seen RagnarDanneskjol	[20:29]
gribble	RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	been longer than that afaik.	[20:29]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: my former employer :P	[20:29]
Azelphur	just thought it might amuse you, gone from bad to worse :)	[20:29]
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fluffypony	wasn't he the headhunter trying to hire staff for everyone?	[20:34]
*	fluffypony has a vague recollection	[20:34]
Azelphur	fluffypony: that's the one	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	a while back, yeah. don't think it worked out too well in the end.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	possibly not much demand.	[20:34]
fluffypony	yeah	[20:34]
Azelphur	I worked for him for a little over a year, he stopped paying me, now I hear he's taking web dev work and telling clients I'm working on their projects...I quit back in December and have no knowledge of said projects	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	is this basically one of those freelancer coder teams thing ?	[20:35]
Azelphur	something like that, only minus the team I guess?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	lol k	[20:36]
Azelphur	At least, the above is what I was told by one of his supposed clients	[20:36]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b33	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	2:1 by now he gets nomination and 1:2 he wins.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony tbh i did spend some time thinking about it - then. i don't see how what he was trying to do could have worked. why the everloving would someone here eschew the benefit of the wot and "hire someone to hire" for you ?	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	when s.mg needed a tech hand diana_coman got it ; the job wasn't on the market nor would s.mg have continued had the job had to go to the market.	[20:44]
fluffypony	yeah, seemed a colossal waste of time in the end	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	that seems workable on the surface - until you realise that the one thing being here promises is that those people won't generally WANT to work for $cubefarm.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	just ask alf.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	and so... not yet a cracked nut.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	might as well demand trump learns a foreign language.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	"why would i ??!?! i am going to be the president of the united states!" "because you're one twist away from being an idiot" "so ?!"	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, arstechnica "mathematically proves" holocaust never happened : http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/large-scale-conspiracies-are-mathematically-impossible-to-keep-quiet/	[21:33]
assbot	Large-scale conspiracies are mathematically impossible to keep quiet \| Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/220WMyP )	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	thanks god we got rid of algebra ii in time for the education of arstechnica staff.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	well they had manhattan project but then ran out of conspiratronium so dun work no moar	[21:34]
asciilifeform	or sumthing.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	no dude it is mathematically impossibru!	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	large scale conspiracy such as telling idiots they're not idiots could never happen. why would an idiot ever believe he's not an idiot ?!	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	what, next you're going to say we have actual proof the usg had been running a string of massive conspiracies, such as you know, inserting backdoors in software, such as "parallel construction", such as iran contra, such as whatever the hell.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	but anyway - now that ars technica has proven that black slavery never happened, we can go back to separate but equal, i guess.	[21:36]
fluffypony	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484447/Romanian-wife-rips-husband-s-testicles-International-Women-s-Day-refused-housework.html	[21:39]
assbot	Romanian wife rips off husband's testicles on International Women's Day after he refused to do housework \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/220XyM2 )	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	http://www.evz.ro/o-femeie-i-a-taiat-testiculele-sotului-sau-pentru-ca-nu-i-a-luat-flori-de-8-martie.html << holy shit it's real.	[21:41]
assbot	ATAC BIZAR de 8 Martie: O femeie i-a TĂIAT TESTICULELE soţului său pentru că nu i-a luat FLORI ... ( http://bit.ly/220XLih )	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	(the issue seems to be over not getting flowers for 8th march, "mother's day" in commie lands)	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	http://adevarul.ro/assets/adevarul.ro/MRImage/2016/03/08/56df0b335ab6550cb8a30785/646x404.jpg	[21:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1R81ZJC )	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	rural northwestern ro, sorta redneck land.	[21:43]
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asciilifeform	dulap!	[21:45]
assbot	[Havelock] HASH - Mining Equipment Sales, Contracts, More ... ( http://bit.ly/220YqR1 )	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway. apparnetly, not married, living together for 15 years, he owns the house, she's basically a tramp, dude drinks and nonconsensually humiliates the woman, had been driving her nuts the whole night, she lost it, is now sorry, tried to fix on teh spot, visits at hospital etc.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	a real life drama.	[21:46]
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mircea_popescu	in happier news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdeqz8YFva1rq3gc6o1_1280.jpg	[21:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1R831FF )	[21:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00052323 = 1.779 BTC [-] {4}	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[22:45]
gribble	Current Blocks: 401953 \| Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 \| Next Difficulty In: 1246 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[22:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up jidan	[22:56]
-assbot-	You voiced jidan for 30 minutes.	[22:56]
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jidan	thanks	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	aha. who're you ?	[23:03]
jidan	just a pleb.. hoping to see some chat	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	enjoy.	[23:07]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Mainstream Media Hyping US Legacy In Iraq: Iraqi Made Chemical Weapons - http://qntra.net/2016/03/mainstream-media-hyping-us-legacy-in-iraq-iraqi-made-chemical-weapons/	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	In other lulz http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-milk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html	[23:26]
assbot	Anonymous tip claims raw milk caused illnesses at Capitol ... ( http://bit.ly/1RS6fjH )	[23:26]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428363 << ahahahaha ad if there were connected people here !	[23:44]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 23:44:28; mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	( mircea_popescu , who doesn't hire anyone but plumbers, does not for this purpose count )	[23:44]
asciilifeform	*as if	[23:45]
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asciilifeform	or did i read that backwards ?	[23:45]
asciilifeform	and does anyone here actually have spare cycles.	[23:46]
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BingoBoingo	for some definitions of spare	[23:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428365 << i do unspeakable things to pay billz (not in a literal cube, but this is the ~one~ saving grace)	[23:49]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 23:44:52; mircea_popescu: just ask alf.	[23:49]
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asciilifeform	but yes, the ONLY possible thing i would ever consider a job upgrade is ... not having to leave the house, or talk	[23:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428367 << pigs will not only fly, but to mars.	[23:52]
assbot	Logged on 09-03-2016 23:49:08; mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:59]
gribble	log.bitcoin-assets.com is down	[23:59]

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