Forum logs for 08 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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deedbot-	[Qntra] Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn - http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/	[00:08]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboPe34UqZw << this fella has a number of interesting pieces	[00:08]
assbot	Teletype 40K 104 DAB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdO3ru )	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.0004918 = 3.6752 BTC [-] {2}	[00:09]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.	[00:11]
assbot	HP 5375A Keyboard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdOqlO )	[00:11]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: no, i have never done any work with theorem provers.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	hm.	[00:27]
ben_vulpes	why d'you ask?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz	[00:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5232 BTC [+]	[00:28]
ben_vulpes	no sir	[00:29]
ben_vulpes	generally speaking i am but a mere technician; can follow proofs and understand their implications for bolt patterns and circuit design, but more interested in...bolting things together and making circuits than proving novelty.	[00:30]
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asciilifeform	https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45879.msg963299#msg963299 << lulzy. i took this photo in.. '07??	[00:42]
assbot	[IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rnap5M )	[00:42]
asciilifeform	can't even recall where i posted it.	[00:42]
punkman	mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they blackbar her teats. << here she is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318167	[00:45]
assbot	Logged on 06-11-2015 04:50:52; punkman: http://cdn-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/actu/societe/les-instantanes-de-l-ete-798202/les-instantanes-de-l-ete/8440444-1-fre-FR/Les-instantanes-de-l-ete.jpg (the egg lady, nice tits eh)	[00:45]
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punkman	so I woke up and my irc monitor was dead, any obvious things to look at when I open it up?	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	!up madhatter_	[00:58]
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BingoBoingo	punkman: Have you tried new thermal grease?	[00:58]
punkman	BingoBoingo: where, up my arse?	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	Much safer than flashing and refilling the vacuum in the cathode ray tube	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	Where else?	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	Conspiracy https://i.imgur.com/3bNozC0.jpg	[01:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OezU2U )	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049434 = 2.5706 BTC [+]	[01:01]
punkman	those don't look plus-size	[01:01]
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punkman	or do the fatties think "I look just like those Dove girls"	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	The later. Much denial	[01:04]
punkman	for reference http://www.visiblemeasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Dove-Real-Beauty-Campaign.jpg	[01:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OeAcH2 )	[01:04]
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ben_vulpes	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0449 << i'm 12 and what is this?	[01:13]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1S7nY9a )	[01:13]
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punkman	ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now	[01:17]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309556 << heh	[01:20]
assbot	Logged on 28-10-2015 00:47:01; mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'	[01:20]
phf	ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack	[01:22]
ben_vulpes	but but why	[01:23]
ben_vulpes	so this gathering nausea in the pit of my stomach when i read through implement_randomize_stack is perhaps an intuitive clue	[01:24]
punkman	can be removed easily	[01:25]
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phf	they randomize all the stacks that are exposed to the network	[01:26]
phf	so in case you get a stack overflow in the exposed code, doing a shellbuffer return becomes mildly trickier	[01:27]
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ben_vulpes	why would do people use programming languages that do this?	[01:28]
ben_vulpes	aaa	[01:28]
punkman	I remember reading that gcc might optimize that away too	[01:30]
phf	maybe? gcc does TCO, but the code does foo(); return; rather then return foo(); so who knows..	[01:32]
punkman	from the comparative music studies department, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5S9cBfh3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjRyxjTaHM	[01:44]
assbot	Wolf Biermann - Die hab' ich satt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1xha )	[01:44]
assbot	Τους έχω βαρεθεί - Μαρία Δημητριάδη (dmariet) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1vpG )	[01:44]
punkman	Und sagt mir mal: Wozu ist gut Die ganze Bürokratenbrut?	[01:45]
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punkman	https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb	[02:06]
assbot	Paypal froze our funds, then offered us a business loan — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT41wh )	[02:07]
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copypaste	mircea_popescu: do you enjoy argentina?	[02:35]
copypaste	i want another passport	[02:35]
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punkman	https://twitter.com/UNLibrary/status/682550730717290496 heh	[07:08]
adlai	another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/	[07:40]
assbot	“SPV mining” is the solution, not the problem \| Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1JywhIi )	[07:40]
shinohai	daf uq?	[07:45]
shinohai	Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.	[07:46]
adlai	it's actually not a tweet, there's an entire article following the title	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, the people are idiots on an african level, and on the whole on their own strength on the open market not worth the price of a decent burial.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	this, from what i hear, should be no change from the fillipines.	[08:19]
copypaste	i want to renounce my passport before the USG goes under because such event, which i think will happen in my lifetime, will make me stateless	[08:19]
copypaste	but you can't renounce your US citizenship before acquiring another one	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	so then it's perfect for you.	[08:20]
copypaste	the USG is already so bankrupt that it stopped adding passport pages, you have to pay them for a whole new passport	[08:20]
copypaste	they also are not issuing passports if they think you owe them money	[08:20]
copypaste	source https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/visa-pages-no-longer-issued.html	[08:20]
assbot	Extra Visa Pages no Longer Issued Effective January 1, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJesXy )	[08:20]
copypaste	and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/	[08:21]
assbot	Overdue taxes? You could lose your U.S. passport - Nov. 20, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJeu1o )	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	iirc that was discussed in the logs	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	been on for a while. (and was predicted a year or two before it happened, also in the log)	[08:21]
copypaste	the thing about the pages is what surprises me...	[08:22]
copypaste	they say that it's to follow "international standards" and to make the passport more "secure"	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	ya well.	[08:22]
copypaste	i fail to see how it increases security at all	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	i'm romanian, i never gave a shit.	[08:23]
copypaste	Romania, now that's a good passport	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah. lulziest case of the hare and the turtle ever. all my life that i can remember romanians thought it's the worst	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	then it turned out... one of the better that exist.	[08:23]
copypaste	the Philippine passport is one of the worst	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	i imagine.	[08:24]
copypaste	you get visa free access to some countries in Africa, its neighbors in Asia (but not any of the actually important ones - like China or Japan), and some south american countries	[08:24]
copypaste	and that's all	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	british is prolly the worst, largest selection of people who hate them	[08:24]
copypaste	eh, i would say that the US passport is by far the worst	[08:25]
copypaste	when people ask which country i am from anad they are strangers, I say Canada	[08:25]
copypaste	simply to avoid any confrontation	[08:25]
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mircea_popescu	lol funny thing : while i was in costa rica i was considering going to new zealand. went to british consulate that handled the whole slew of dominions, woman told me i need a visa. was all wtf'd, wrote to the ro exterior minister at the time (young guy from my party) going wtf. the VERY NEXT DAY it was announced the visa requirement was mutually dropped.	[08:26]
copypaste	it was one of the better ones before they made these new rules	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	a week latter the letter arrived, and he was like... bwhahahahaha.	[08:26]
copypaste	haha	[08:26]
copypaste	New Zealand seems nice, but how they treat Kim Dotcom will show their true colors	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	eh it's bullshit. this was before the earthquake.	[08:27]
copypaste	Now Australia on the other hand, fuck that entire continent	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	and before the japan stove incident.	[08:27]
copypaste	hehe	[08:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0004915 = 4.0303 BTC [-] {3}	[08:28]
copypaste	have you ever seen "The Terminal", with Tom Hanks?	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	mnop	[08:28]
copypaste	well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year	[08:28]
copypaste	i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	lol prescience.	[08:29]
copypaste	except instead of just letting potentially thousands of people stick around in an airport, they'll just be loaded in a cargo plane and dumped over whatever remains of the midwest :p	[08:29]
copypaste	so, i would like to acquire another citizenship before that happens :D	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	experience shows that it never pays to wait to be shat on by the corporate fiction that supposedly owns you.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	it behooves one to be part of the group that stabs the thing to death and drinks its blood.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	much much better to be, if not one of odovacer's men, at least any of the other "barbarian"'s retinue than to hang out with the so-called "count" bracilla at ravenna.	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	in the daily okcupid lulz installment, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/say-shit.png	[08:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TJfNgZ )	[08:37]
copypaste	lol	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	kako's humour is infectious!	[08:37]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362790 << mega-l0l!!	[09:00]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 05:04:32; punkman: https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb	[09:00]
asciilifeform	'To paraphrase: “It may seem weird that we’re holding collateral on your account and offering you a loan, but that was not a mistake! You’re still eligible. Contact me if interested.”'	[09:01]
asciilifeform	coming soon to a nato bank near you!!11	[09:01]
asciilifeform	'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.'	[09:02]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362801 << ahahaha	[09:03]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 10:37:47; adlai: another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/	[09:03]
asciilifeform	'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...'	[09:03]
asciilifeform	srsly, szabo was there ?	[09:03]
asciilifeform	sad.	[09:03]
asciilifeform	IS WAS sad.	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' << this is how any serious mob works, really.	[09:04]
asciilifeform	no shit	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	can't sell "your" barber shop, but yah you can have a little money to "see you through a rough spot"	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	vig y compris.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i used to like szabo a lot more. but omfg, then i read some of his stuff.	[09:05]
asciilifeform	aha!	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	iirc one piece even in the log.	[09:05]
asciilifeform	i can easily believe that he has descended into... this	[09:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.	[09:05]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 11:18:42; copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/	[09:05]
copypaste	asciilifeform: what in your opinion is the real problem?	[09:06]
*	asciilifeform for example has a passport, fat lot of good it does	[09:06]
asciilifeform	copypaste: same thing as in africa. the poverty, of every kind, that leads to no other port being in any hurry to invite you in	[09:06]
shinohai	https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/685398977924206592 <<< kek	[09:07]
copypaste	https://twitter.com/DTHI_Demitrios/status/685426021521321984 < actually not a bad idea	[09:07]
asciilifeform	copypaste: mega-bureaucracies don't really give much of a fuck whether their public site stays up, they fall down routinely. and at this point are all 'cloudflared' anyway.	[09:08]
copypaste	thus, using the MX record	[09:09]
copypaste	you can't "cloudflare" your email server	[09:09]
copypaste	as far as i know, at least	[09:09]
asciilifeform	these folks don't do much emailing outside of the grounds	[09:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362773 << aslr is not the correct term (it refers to os-level address space randomization)	[09:10]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 04:14:58; punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now	[09:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362776 << correct. it is a 'mats-style' fudge	[09:10]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 04:19:45; phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack	[09:10]
asciilifeform	'mitigation'.	[09:10]
asciilifeform	'let's throw broken bottles around everywhere, enemy might trip on one !'	[09:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362806 << srsly?	[09:11]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 11:16:09; mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.	[09:11]
asciilifeform	that ~mircea_popescu~ can get one 'for a few grand', i can readily believe	[09:11]
asciilifeform	he can probably get a nuke for a couple grand.	[09:11]
asciilifeform	but can a human ?	[09:12]
copypaste	haha, indeed	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for the record, you're talking to a guy with an actual record of up-and-getting-out	[09:12]
copypaste	the requirement on the books for an Argentine passport is 2 years residency	[09:12]
copypaste	quite a low residency requirement, copared to other countries	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	you should prolly spend more time asking questions than sprouting sententiousness.	[09:12]
asciilifeform	copypaste: yeah that's what i thought	[09:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that was a question. can ~i~ walk in with a few $k and get it.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[09:13]
asciilifeform	like buying milk.	[09:13]
copypaste	compared to Philippines, where the requirement is 10; unless you get married (Philippines has no divorce, only country other than Vatican City with no divorce laws on the books, or even in Congress)	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	no, not like buying milk.	[09:13]
copypaste	if you're married the requirement is 5	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	copypaste argentina has no abortion.	[09:13]
copypaste	neither does Philippines	[09:13]
copypaste	no abortion or divorce :D	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	fortunately uruguay is right there.	[09:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha! you said 'not like buying milk'	[09:14]
asciilifeform	this means peopleskillz, no??11	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	were you fishing for a nail to hang your explanation on ?	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.	[09:14]
asciilifeform	ah ok	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	you don't buy new teeth like buying milk, either.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	gotta hire a dentist.	[09:14]
copypaste	now this is true	[09:15]
asciilifeform	ah so it is like in usa, but with a couplea zeros shaved off the price	[09:15]
copypaste	in the third world a lawyer can make miracles happen	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	a coupla couples.	[09:15]
asciilifeform	neato	[09:15]
copypaste	lawyers typically know exactly who to bribe, saving you the trouble of finding out yourself	[09:15]
copypaste	(and perhaps bribing the only autist in the country, thereby landing yourself in jail)	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	more or less. in this case it's mostly because you probably don't speak spanish to a level acceptable in court.	[09:15]
copypaste	i come close	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	then you mgiht diy.	[09:16]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362849 << this did not happen with sov citizens. normally there is some bantustan which is in an immediate hurry to lay claim to the fragments of the old empire	[09:17]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:48; copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under	[09:17]
asciilifeform	whether the bantustan passport does you any good, is separate question	[09:17]
asciilifeform	but it is actually possible not to end up with one	[09:17]
asciilifeform	i, for instance, never got a ru passport.	[09:18]
copypaste	so you have a soviet passport only ?	[09:18]
asciilifeform	not even. children didn't get passports.	[09:18]
copypaste	so you've never left russia then?	[09:18]
asciilifeform	left.	[09:18]
copypaste	how?	[09:18]
asciilifeform	with parents.	[09:18]
asciilifeform	is how this worked.	[09:19]
copypaste	i see.	[09:19]
copypaste	in USA, you are required to even get passports for your kids	[09:19]
copypaste	even if they are infants	[09:20]
copypaste	otherwise, they cannot come with you	[09:20]
asciilifeform	in usa passport is a travel document	[09:20]
copypaste	sure	[09:20]
asciilifeform	in su - was identifying document that, with some extra verbiage stamped on, doubled as travel passport	[09:20]
copypaste	actually, once i got mine i started using it as an identification document, which would lead to weird looks	[09:21]
copypaste	due to the main ID document in USA being a driver's license	[09:21]
copypaste	but due to my disability, i do not drive	[09:21]
copypaste	you can get a "non drivers driver license" (real name), but the line was so long and i already had a passport	[09:21]
asciilifeform	folks who do not drive in usa typically get issued peculiar non-driving driver's license	[09:21]
asciilifeform	(yes)	[09:21]
asciilifeform	it is stamped 'not valid for driving' or the like	[09:21]
copypaste	yes, i happened to have recieved the passport before the other one	[09:21]
copypaste	so i just never got the other one	[09:21]
copypaste	since the passport sufficed, even at banks	[09:22]
copypaste	i haven't been in the USA since 2014 though	[09:22]
asciilifeform	phun phakt, most folks in usaschwitz have no passport.	[09:22]
asciilifeform	they don't need it.	[09:22]
asciilifeform	(where to go? and why?)	[09:22]
copypaste	well, the world is much larger than the USA	[09:23]
copypaste	to get a job, just to travel, plenty of reasons	[09:23]
asciilifeform	l0l! job?! would ~you~ employ such a person ?	[09:23]
asciilifeform	to do what ?	[09:23]
copypaste	i got mine to meet an online friend i'd had since i was a small child	[09:23]
*	asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines	[09:23]
copypaste	typically, doctors, engineers, and so on	[09:24]
copypaste	no need to hire the lowest common denominator in the US, but there are plenty (well, some) intellectuals perhaps worth hiring	[09:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00048974 = 1.5672 BTC [-] {2}	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	they don't need it. << yes but the problem is in their head.	[09:38]
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mircea_popescu	!up kristapsk	[09:42]
-assbot-	You voiced kristapsk for 30 minutes.	[09:42]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Let's continue with the okcupid duality. Today, idiot.png and lesbian.png. No, these aren't the same thing. - http://trilema.com/2016/lets-continue-with-the-okcupid-duality-today-idiotpng-and-lesbianpng-no-these-arent-the-same-thing/	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large << the reason pimps use main bitches is that no thing on god's earth is or ever could be as hard on a cocksucker as another cocksucker just like her.	[09:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O )	[09:57]
punkman	copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server << half the startups point their mx to gmail	[10:01]
punkman	asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ? << I'm surprised how many szabos have joined the blockchain-tards	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	yup. that's the idea there.	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	all mail must be gmail.	[10:02]
punkman	even Koblitz joined Ethereum	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362766 << they're plus size MODELS. not plus size women. like saying this is a very tall ant. no, it doesn't mean it's a two meter tall ant.	[10:03]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 03:59:00; punkman: those don't look plus-size	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	i doubt the notion went away.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.	[10:04]
punkman	plus-size to me means so big you have to go to the one special plus-size clothes store, because nobody else has enough fabric to cover your ass.	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362804 << or they could just go back to paypal, which is exactly what that is.	[10:06]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 10:43:35; shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	yes, but when i hire women to be women, as opposed to do any actual job, i have strict standards. hence the "over 180 cm tall, exactly 19 bmi, etc"	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	the standards may vary, but rarely.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	o look, slimfast. lol.	[10:09]
punkman	mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. << I bet there's a lot more than those	[10:18]
punkman	https://www.unilever.com/brands/?page=7&Category=408118 << 7 pages * 16 brands = 112	[10:20]
assbot	Brands \| Unilever global company website ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVj6s )	[10:20]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/vAUirGP.jpg <<< Bitcoin lottery xD	[10:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVQpc )	[10:23]
punkman	http://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/48779	[10:32]
assbot	Declassified documents concerning Tony Blair · Clinton Digital Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeXeYR )	[10:32]
punkman	shinohai, what was that qr code?	[10:33]
shinohai	probably someone's addy, I didnt scan it	[10:36]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362921 << an /argentine/ lawyer?	[11:20]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 12:12:13; mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.	[11:20]
ben_vulpes	!up ascii_butugychag	[11:26]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_butugychag	[11:26]
ben_vulpes	good morning	[11:26]
ascii_butugychag	guten morgen herr vulpes	[11:26]
ben_vulpes	und dich, stas	[11:26]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362989 << this is an ancient evil. see aol 'keywords' and similar	[11:27]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:01:34; mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.	[11:27]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362974 << l0l, you would hire an american doctor if you had a choice? or engineer ?	[11:28]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 12:21:37; copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on	[11:28]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362985 << non-gmail (and non-microshit, etc.) has been more or less exterminated	[11:28]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:00:18; mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.	[11:28]
copypaste	i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them	[11:28]
copypaste	so if they had to choose between a filipino doctor, or american doctor, they'd go for the american	[11:29]
ascii_butugychag	(some of the larger megacorps still run own mail, but along more or less same principles as gmail)	[11:29]
copypaste	that's also why many cognoscenti here all studied abroad	[11:29]
copypaste	it's "worth" more	[11:29]
ascii_butugychag	copypaste: this plague is ubiquitous in the 'orc' world	[11:29]
ascii_butugychag	problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes	[11:29]
ascii_butugychag	(as mine did)	[11:29]
copypaste	indeed	[11:29]
copypaste	i'm not saying their beliefs are accurate, but inaccurate beliefs held dearly still affect their actions	[11:30]
ascii_butugychag	actual americans are similar to filiponos but with fewer life skills and less resilient to stressors	[11:30]
ascii_butugychag	*filipinos	[11:30]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362998 << the ersatz tea is ubiquitous here	[11:31]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:26; mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available	[11:31]
ascii_butugychag	just barely drinkable	[11:31]
ascii_butugychag	sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea	[11:31]
copypaste	also ascii_butugychag, you moved the goalposts. the CIA and FBI don't use gmail, and that's who we were talking about as far as A records are concerned	[11:32]
copypaste	it's true that most emails are internal, but surely they aren't all	[11:32]
copypaste	for example, FBI agent asking NSA for a record	[11:32]
copypaste	NSA asking FBI if he wants to go to a BBQ	[11:32]
ascii_butugychag	copypaste: it will happen over siprnet or the like	[11:32]
copypaste	i'm sure they'd notice quickly if fbi.gov mail went down	[11:32]
ascii_butugychag	not over ddosnet	[11:32]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362848 <<< didn't this actually happen too?	[11:33]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:32; copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year	[11:33]
copypaste	yes davout, based on a true story	[11:33]
ascii_butugychag	copypaste: usg has own 'wan'	[11:33]
ascii_butugychag	that is, iirc, largely carried over dedicated wires	[11:33]
copypaste	ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting	[11:33]
ascii_butugychag	but sure, the clerks also have 'human' email	[11:35]
ascii_butugychag	typically runs on microshit.	[11:35]
ben_vulpes	infuckingvariably.	[11:37]
ben_vulpes	hospitals idem	[11:38]
ben_vulpes	hallmark of tentacle-entites is blue text in html emails.	[11:38]
davout	" Alfred Mehran », est un réfugié iranien qui a vécu dans le terminal 1 de l'aéroport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle du 8 août 1988 jusqu'en août 2006 (soit 18 ans)1, date à laquelle il a été hospitalisé pour une cause inconnue."	[11:39]
davout	https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri <<< the true story	[11:39]
assbot	Mehran Karimi Nasseri — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kSlpcC )	[11:39]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362991 << hey, nintendo doesn't expose filesystem either! and nobody seems to complain...	[11:39]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:02:12; mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.	[11:39]
ben_vulpes	god bless coredata	[11:40]
ben_vulpes	because i really wanted a shitty wrapper around shitqlite	[11:41]
punkman	fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.	[11:42]
shinohai	I feel your shipping frustrations punkman, I made an order from a guy on 12/27 he marked my order shipped then told me yesterday he had logistics issues and didn't.	[11:50]
punkman	shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping	[11:53]
shinohai	ikr I paid the extra $12 in BTC for priority too :/	[11:53]
shinohai	I could have ordered the shit from some seedy Chinese person and already have gotten it here.	[11:54]
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davout	punkman: get your fucking pilot's license	[11:55]
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davout	(which is an entirely different thing than pilot fucking license mind you)	[11:56]
kakobrekla	well i sent two packs of condoms to thailand about 2 weeks ago, arrived in ~3 days, from eu.	[11:56]
davout	lolwut	[11:56]
shinohai	Where to kakobrekla, phuket ?	[11:56]
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kakobrekla	to Chiang mai	[11:57]
punkman	in other shipping mysteries, I ordered some widget from China in August I think, there was a non-working tracking no., 45 days later I ask merchant what's up with it, says they were actually out of stock at time of order, didn't even ship it and they won't be getting any more stock from factory. Couple days ago, I get a notice from post office with that tracking no.	[11:57]
kakobrekla	a friend went there for a few months and they dont have condoms that would fit him there	[11:58]
punkman	lol	[11:58]
davout	lol	[11:58]
punkman	only two packs though?	[11:58]
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kakobrekla	two ten packs yeah.	[11:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4806 @ 0.00049078 = 2.3587 BTC [+]	[12:04]
punkman	at best you get a date when the thing left china, and it usually shows up on local post office tracking too	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them <<< this happens to also be right.	[12:13]
punkman	also they often ship through other countries like hong-kong, so you might get better results going to one of those 3rd party tracking sites that check many companies at once	[12:13]
copypaste	mircea_popescu: let me qualify that further, americans	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	heh. yeah, vhs tapes.	[12:14]
copypaste	because i'm ill, i go to doctors a lot. it's cheap in the third world, and they write me prescriptions for things that are hard to get in the US. so anyway, i always go see chinese doctors.	[12:14]
copypaste	there are american doctors which see foreigners, and also filipinos who studied in america	[12:14]
copypaste	but i prefer seeing chinese doctors.	[12:14]
jurov	copypaste: if you have hungarian ancestors, you can get their passport, too	[12:14]
copypaste	i have ukranian ancestors	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	chinese the new jew huh	[12:14]
jurov	copypaste: the part that was former "large hungary" counts, too	[12:15]
jurov	hungarians are funny as that	[12:15]
copypaste	oh wow	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	lol. hungarians are what, 60% living abroad by now ?	[12:15]
copypaste	part of hungary is in ukraine	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	copypaste wouldn't advise it tho, highest suicide rate outside of japan.	[12:15]
copypaste	(the old hungary at least)	[12:16]
copypaste	i'll think about it. i bet my mother has proof of her mother's USSR citizenship	[12:16]
copypaste	(ukraine)	[12:16]
copypaste	and if it's in the area of greater hungary, that would be an awesome, free way to get a passport :D	[12:17]
punkman	we don't have foreign doctors here, but people are prejudice against doctors that have foreign medical degrees from Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and others.	[12:17]
jurov	!v ascii_butugychag	[12:17]
assbot	Invalid verfication string.	[12:17]
jurov	!up ascii_butugychag	[12:18]
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mircea_popescu	that's ridiculous. romania is way better for medicine than pretty much everything else in that part of the world.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	france, germany etc y compris.	[12:18]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: afaik you still have to live there for a while, to get ukr passport	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i have yet to meet a greek professional who wasn't a) actually jewish and b) abroad.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag there's worse ways to pass the time than with the sluts of budapest.	[12:18]
ascii_butugychag	was thinking of .ua	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	why ua ? he's not trying to get ork citizensheep	[12:19]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: i only know it was targeted to hu minorities that never lived in any version of hu	[12:19]
ascii_butugychag	ah i misread	[12:19]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea << quite exactly lol! i wonder if this is actually what they were shooting for.	[12:19]
ascii_butugychag	i dare say it was	[12:20]
ascii_butugychag	just like american 'non-fat milk'	[12:20]
copypaste	hmm	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting << eh he's making shit up. usg doesn't have own pot to piss in.	[12:20]
ascii_butugychag	is exactly like what you get when you wash a bottle from normal milk	[12:20]
copypaste	how hard is it to fake being a jew?	[12:20]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: siprnet et al exist	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	heck, the tanks the us army "deploys" are all rentals.	[12:20]
copypaste	maybe i really am one, i could have a jewish ancestor	[12:20]
copypaste	i could get an israeli passport	[12:20]
copypaste	wouldn't that be fun	[12:20]
copypaste	i should research my family tree	[12:20]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: runs over, iirc, sprint's infrastructure (earlier, classical at&t)	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D	[12:21]
ascii_butugychag	i would like to live in the parallel universe mircea_popescu is posting from	[12:21]
ascii_butugychag	where american tanks are rentals	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag they get repossessed more often than rent-a-cars!	[12:22]
*	ascii_butugychag recalls the german division which operated wholly sov tanks	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	to Chiang mai <<< doing his part to stop global... warming.	[12:22]
thestringpuller	So rumor has it. Bitpay can't get another round of funding with current leadership.	[12:23]
thestringpuller	Although the VC's won't publicly condemn the leadership.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	to no-one's surprise that's been following the discussion here.	[12:23]
ascii_butugychag	has mit covered the shortfall yet ?	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[12:24]
ascii_butugychag	or will it be stanford this time? princeyaleton?	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how the usg works. they ain't got a pot to piss in, and consequently won't be actually coverin gany shortfalls. all they got is a whole lot of pretense based on a whole lot of puffery.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	so if you're willing to not ask for the shortfall be covered, they're willing to blabla MIT !1 bla bla bla around you.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	that's as far as that goes.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	much like the junior high fuck club.	[12:25]
*	ascii_butugychag sadly knows how usg works	[12:25]
punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D << probably gonna be worse in the places I'd like to live at next	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	you don't get any cunt, but you do get to hang out with a bunch of obnoxious teens who act as if you did.	[12:25]
ascii_butugychag	usg has, like or not, plenty of money to throw around. i have seen the golden toilets.	[12:26]
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ascii_butugychag	not every single clerk is sitting on them, true	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	pfff.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989302 << blast from teh pasts!	[12:27]
assbot	Logged on 23-01-2015 16:53:36; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.	[12:27]
ascii_butugychag	i finally realized, though, where mircea_popescu gets his odd notions of usg life	[12:29]
ascii_butugychag	he talks to the chix	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[12:29]
ascii_butugychag	who, yes, live in the cube farmz.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	i fuck their daughters, trophy wives et all.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[12:29]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz << Funny how Oddworld is the first result when put 'Rupture Farms' into google	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974421 since we're doing blastfrompastism	[12:30]
ascii_butugychag	'trophy wife' implies brass ?	[12:30]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2015 17:37:34; mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag well... yeah, it does.	[12:31]
thestringpuller	;;google rupture farms	[12:33]
gribble	Rupture Farms - Facebook: ; Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - Rupture Farms Speed Run Walkthrough ...: ; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube:	[12:33]
thestringpuller	google you suck	[12:33]
ascii_butugychag	thestringpuller: no this is correct	[12:34]
ascii_butugychag	it is from that piece	[12:34]
ascii_butugychag	'they say it's the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld....'	[12:35]
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ascii_butugychag	in other nyooz, 'It looks like lxr.linux.no has closed without notice some time during the first half of 2014. Whether there is a backup of LXRng is unknown.'	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	heh	[12:39]
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punkman	https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=lxrng plenty of em	[13:02]
assbot	Search · lxrng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1n83XT9 )	[13:02]
deedbot-	[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/	[13:03]
ben_vulpes	here's one for pete to rip apart: http://www.byclintedwards.com/2016/01/my-son-wants-to-make-money-my-daughter-wants-to-marry-a-rich-prince-heres-the-problem-2.html/	[13:04]
assbot	My son wants to make money. My daughter wants to marry a rich prince. Here’s the problem. \| No Idea What I'm Doing: A Daddy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1n84dl4 )	[13:04]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/	[13:31]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << Unilever collects brands once owned by dying businesses for the supermarket shelf space.	[13:31]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah a sort of iab for fmcg, i know.	[13:32]
BingoBoingo	It's just amazing the way the typical supermarket makes more money selling shelf space than it does selling... products.	[13:33]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[13:33]
BingoBoingo	Because who wants to be a shopkeep when you can be a landlord	[13:34]
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mircea_popescu	kinda how the world works. typical strip club makes more money selling titshelf space than it does selling booze	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[13:34]
thestringpuller	https://github.com/ZoomT/bitcoin/commit/a87d5ab2c703c524428197df53607c2235c417f3#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR3101 << so if the block is empty, what's the point? miners can just mine empty transactions pushing all other data to another data structure without breaking anything?	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	the march of "civilisation". replace things with the fetish of things, items with tokens "representing" items and so on.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	the road to perdition is paved with ever increased abstractions.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ud bsw	[13:40]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bsw \| Saw a BSW walking downtown but didn't stop, thought LE was nearby. ... BSW. Bitch Slut Whore; Someone who is annoying in many different ways; Nickname.	[13:40]
thestringpuller	Hmmm. So node would broadcast tx and would never see it confirm...that's broken behavior imo.	[13:41]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << In southern IL UPS is the worst. Mega UPS hubs in Chicago means packages routinely bounce between CAHS and World Port before ending up in Danville before coming anywhere near St Louis.	[13:44]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.	[13:44]
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shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363181 <<< ooooh the plot thickens!	[13:51]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 16:29:02; deedbot-: [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	http://91.218.246.33/ for the record :D	[13:52]
assbot	Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8cy8n )	[13:52]
adlai	thestringpuller:i'd rather have miners publishing empty blocks instead of confirming nickle-fee TXs, than have them blindly hand over what little power they do have to some random plutocracy	[13:52]
shinohai	Might this grow into a protracted battle?	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	i really don't see how.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	afaik a registrar has the authority to do exactly nothing. that said, i suppose they may try to steal the domain. not like similar stuff hasn't happened in the past (anyone recall the sex.com saga ?)	[13:54]
BingoBoingo	In other news revamped my desk's noise generators. Instead of ~150 CFM of external fan, ~11 CFM is now producing adequate noise to cool machine.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	lol adequate noise to coll machine.	[13:57]
BingoBoingo	Turns out better thermal grease actually does make a big difference	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	it does.	[13:59]
thestringpuller	adlai: i'd rather not have to choose between multiple bowls of shit for dinner.	[14:01]
BingoBoingo	Couldn't use the stuff with silver because surface mounted stuff on chip not covered by metal cap. Still about 10C cooler than yesterday.	[14:02]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:03]
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ascii_butugychag	some lulz re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1362006 :	[14:04]
assbot	Logged on 07-01-2016 01:38:57; mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.	[14:04]
ascii_butugychag	https://trac.macports.org/ticket/49149	[14:04]
assbot	#49149 (Current install of qt4-mac 4.8.7_2 fails to install qmake)	[14:04]
kakobrekla	some if not most silver thermal pastes dont actually conduct electricity	[14:04]
ascii_butugychag	'It does install qmake, just not where it was installed before. ..... This change was made to allow parallel install of qt4 and qt5 (and, possible, other qt# variations). If you're having issues with other ports that depend on qt4-mac, please open a ticket for each and/or list them here & we will work hard to get them fixed promptly.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	^	[14:04]
ascii_butugychag	'... We knew this change would break other ports, but given that there are some 100 ports that depend on qt4-mac, we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding.'	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything	[14:04]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: what do you suppose a resistor is made of ?	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	ceramics ?	[14:05]
ascii_butugychag	take the paste, take ohmmeter, see	[14:05]
ascii_butugychag	doesn't so much matter that it is a paste.	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	by this theory a good way to make a window is by mixing diamonds in the concrete.	[14:06]
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ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: if you're looking for something to do with those old mac laptops, openbsd 5.8 runs like a dream on 'em	[14:07]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: this is not an old laptop	[14:08]
ascii_butugychag	this is butugychag laptop.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	bluish hue ?	[14:08]
ascii_butugychag	and if your 'runs like a dream' doesn't include motherfucking suspend mode, i'm not interested	[14:08]
kakobrekla	what ascii is saying, take water and measure conductivity while gradually adding salts, but silver pastes are [mostly] safe in this user case	[14:09]
kakobrekla	distilled water that is.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	and what if i take distilled water and add silver shavings ?	[14:10]
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ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: i'll check in on zzz and ZZZ, ascii_butugychag	[14:11]
kakobrekla	they will sink :)	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	" we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding." << what the fuck are we understanding ? that the kids don't belong anywhere near a computer, off to the farm ?	[14:11]
ascii_butugychag	zzz?	[14:11]
adlai	thestringpuller: "you eat [bowls] of shit for [dinner]?"	[14:11]
ben_vulpes	bsd suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk iiuc	[14:11]
linton_s_dawson	oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag incidentally does your desktop do "suspend mode" ? if not why not ?	[14:12]
assbot	oleganza comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8fbqE )	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	linton_s_dawson funny that all the poorfags are so preoccupied with THIS nowadays, huh.	[14:12]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: desktop doesn't go in motherfucking briefcase	[14:12]
ben_vulpes	also, this machine is not suited to be a portable anymore.	[14:12]
*	adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3"	[14:12]
ben_vulpes	aged, delicate, valuable. should be treated as such.	[14:13]
*	ben_vulpes will be acquiring more vintage hardware in this vein	[14:13]
adlai	(it deals with wtf "hard" and "soft" forking means, which most derps seem to assume they understand)	[14:13]
ascii_butugychag	and if the windows don't go back to their places when different sets of monitors are unplugged and re-plugged, also not interested	[14:13]
ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: sounds like a problem for your window manager	[14:13]
ben_vulpes	x11 wms do this better than os x does.	[14:14]
ascii_butugychag	and i'm not interested in spending ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING SIX MONTHS fighting the graphics card driver	[14:14]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: on WHICH portable gpu ?	[14:14]
ascii_butugychag	does x11 run worth SHIT	[14:14]
ben_vulpes	i doubt it's leveraging the gpu at all	[14:14]
ben_vulpes	listen, i just want a machine that's not running os x with the hardware quality build of the golden-era macintosh laptops.	[14:15]
ben_vulpes	if that means working in terminals or not using any chrome in x11, so be it.	[14:15]
ascii_butugychag	keep in mind, if there aren't at least 2880 pixels horizontally, i'm not interested.	[14:15]
ascii_butugychag	and i can't maths in a terminal.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	i can maths in my sleep!	[14:16]
BingoBoingo	i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything << Apparently with silver colloid a concern is possibility of becoming capacitive after cooking long enough. Silver is always a special case because grand chamption conductor	[14:16]
ascii_butugychag	go generate 10,000 node flow graph in your sleep, thx	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	i suppose.	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag that's not math that's kandinsky.	[14:17]
ben_vulpes	anyways, your penchant for finding what is wrong with anything aside, openbsd happily supplants os x on mac hardware. for those willing to endure some pain to get away from the shitgnomes, and who have not been obsessively tending a gentoo installation since 1999.	[14:17]
ascii_butugychag	'some pain'	[14:17]
ascii_butugychag	as in, NOTHING which i actually ~need~ on the job, works	[14:17]
ben_vulpes	life is suffering.	[14:17]
ascii_butugychag	but that's ok, broomstick, aha?	[14:17]
ben_vulpes	either under the reign of steve or others.	[14:18]
kakobrekla	BingoBoingo but you dont smear it over the whole cpu do you ? an also you can just tape over any elect conducting parts, no?	[14:18]
ben_vulpes	this is not a machine for $work	[14:18]
ascii_butugychag	i get paid to make xyz happen. and the budget makes provisions for shooting, say, up to six rabid weasels. BUT NOT 6,666,666.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, anyone can conceive of any reason NOT to have an apple-microsoft merger ?	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: same reason today as in 1997	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	ceremonial antitrust	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	(ditto intel & amd)	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	also each relies on the good-cop/bad-cop symbiosis	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	i bet you i could justify 100mn in bonuses for myself + 1-2bn in consulting fees for everyone involved doing a hp-compaq deal out of these two	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	then some dumb broad could preside over it to get all the social media femitards hot and bothered	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	and then... welll... ibm is still arouind, right ?	[14:21]
ascii_butugychag	would you also try to merge... the products ?	[14:21]
ascii_butugychag	because wtf	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	what products ?	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	ms always wanted a phone, apple always wanted an os.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	it's automerged.	[14:21]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I did the make a dot and let the heatsink smash it into place thing. There is a tape shim that goes over rest of CPU already, but old paste found its way under there before I removed it.	[14:21]
ascii_butugychag	'apple always wanted an os' -- is mircea_popescu posting from 1995 ?	[14:22]
ascii_butugychag	dafuq	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	eh spare me. they don't have an os.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.	[14:22]
adlai	mircea_popescu: "illusion of choice" aka pretty much the only talent that .il still encourages youngsters to hone... salesmanship	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	pfff. nobody actively makes that choice anymore. it's like encouraging the choice of stick vs nonstick driving.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	forget it.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	the people who run "whatever i just want to" and the people who "fuck you, drop dead" are the only remaining division, and in this context the two staying unmerged is nonsensical.	[14:24]
*	adlai knows at least one person who graduated from not-choosing to linux, and that's one-too-many for moloch	[14:24]
BingoBoingo	* adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" << Make a blog point this out. If ben_vulpes can blog so can you.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo he's still recovering from the castrating influence of bad parenting, doesn't quite feel at ease rubbing loser's nose in their own shit.	[14:25]
adlai	the trouble with a blog is that it rapidly fills up with your own bullshit. people get so sick of my bullshit at ~100x dilution, in here; imagine how bad it'd get in my own garden	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	for all you know chicks will read it and fill your inbox with written tits.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	happened to me.	[14:25]
BingoBoingo	adlai: But shitting in your own garden is actually beneficial. The plants like it.	[14:25]
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BingoBoingo	adlai: Anyways wouldn't writing a simple CL blogotron for your own use be a welcome sanity break from the scalplsd	[14:27]
adlai	in other phamily-related news, my lispm arbitrage has failed, due to usg-sponsor eagerness to sponsor as much as possible... but therein lies the arb, and anybody who does sponsor usg (or have family who do) is welcome and encouraged to pursue this further	[14:27]
adlai	in case the signal was too noisy right there: buying a working lisp machine, and donating it to a museum (of which there are several in the DC area), will get you a nice tax break	[14:28]
adlai	ofc you (or the other end of your arbitrage) need to already be paying usg taxes, but there are a bunch of people who do	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	kinda how all museums were built.	[14:29]
kakobrekla	i dont really see the point in the 'working' part	[14:29]
kakobrekla	it not like they will be turning it on and it will stop working over time with noone to fix it around	[14:30]
adlai	BingoBoingo: cl blogotrons exist, these days my blog-time is spent 'auditing' coleslaw vs hyde. scalpl, otoh, is pretty much one of a kind; cf ascii_butugychag on professional vs plebescite tooling...	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	he has a point.	[14:30]
adlai	mircea_popescu lacks an unambiguous antecedent	[14:30]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla	[14:31]
ascii_butugychag	adlai: this is a sad joke, the machine's value is more or less ENTIRELY in the fact that it WORKS	[14:31]
adlai	so break it on the way over, i don't care! but all else aside, it's more educational to the budding usg-arsonist if they can play with a working doodad	[14:31]
ascii_butugychag	non-working but identically-appearing boxes are much cheaper	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	and more common.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag from his pov, the value of the machine is entirely in "what you paidf for it"	[14:32]
adlai	... and what ascii_butugychag just said.	[14:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00048974 = 6.0238 BTC [-]	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	my point is that museum can get it considerably cheaper.	[14:32]
adlai	mircea_popescu: you do need to get the museum to agree that your donation was worth anything	[14:32]
ascii_butugychag	and 'what i paid for it' is almost NOTHING	[14:32]
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ascii_butugychag	so fuck that.	[14:33]
*	adlai failed his arbitrage on this basis - usg-sponsor doesn't want to engage museum(s) in negotiation, but maybe $alertLurker does	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	adlai notrly. as long as they take it, it's not their job to value it for fiscality.	[14:33]
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adlai	you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation	[14:34]
adlai	you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation	[14:34]
adlai	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:34]
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ascii_butugychag	adlai is correct	[14:35]
*	adlai is also drunk, late for dinner, overleveraged on hopium, etc etc... bbl	[14:36]
adlai	but please, this is applicable to ANY USG TAXPAYER in the audience. 3btc = nice tax break!	[14:36]
adlai	all you need is somebody to drive the thing to a museum and negotiate a little	[14:37]
adlai	(not necessarily in that order)	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does.	[14:37]
BingoBoingo	the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. << Actually in USia receipts are given by museums/charities for donations	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	yes. on the basis of the provenance documents.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	"this vase so and so was donated to us by x who bought it at an auction held by sootheby's valuying it at 4mn".	[14:38]
BingoBoingo	With discrepancy between seller and charity receipts grounds for IRSape	[14:38]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu is correct. otherwise you could set up faux 'museum' and 'donate' junk 'worth' millions.	[14:39]
ascii_butugychag	and just about any serious deviation from your social stature in the spirit of 'peasant doesn't get to own a rembrandt, wtf' will attract auditors very, very quickly in usa.	[14:40]
ascii_butugychag	usg knows very well who has any business writing off serious sums and who does not.	[14:40]
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*	adlai hopes that at least one other lurker [knows somebody who] will blink more than once at a 3btc tax deduction	[14:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00048974 = 2.1793 BTC [-]	[14:43]
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mircea_popescu	adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	the death of the middle, eh.	[14:43]
adlai	the beautiful thing about the btcfiat market is that it means different things for different people	[14:43]
*	adlai has paid well over current market price for btc... what if those are the btc that ascii would've got?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not even going to pester alf about making another one for 2016 expiry. truth be told i'm rather pleasantly impressed with how s.nsa work is coming along of late.	[14:44]
*	adlai has yet to read latest statement; also, yet to leave pub for dinner date; also, yet to order bill, due to israeli ineptitude at peripheral vision/hearing...	[14:45]
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phf	i've noticed that arab lipton yellow label is much better then lipton you get at a general store in u.s. i've made turkish tea for myself with arab lipton in a pinch, but twice i was in a situation where i was brewing tea for random people, so i bought drug store lipton and no matter what i tried doing with it, it just was not drinkable.	[15:19]
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punkman	I buy a couple bags of loose leaf once a year and forget about it	[15:26]
phf	i go through 3-4 kg of tea a year	[15:37]
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mircea_popescu	samovar and all ?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	i myself am the absolute worst : i rarely drink tea, but i only drink good tea. makes it practically impossible to drink my own. so, i usually tea per the charity of friends.	[15:55]
phf	i have a wood samovar, but i only use it on camping trings. no, i use iranian method, put a porcelain teapot on top of the kettle	[15:58]
phf	*trips	[15:58]
phf	http://www.fengshuidana.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/securedownload_insert.jpg	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	so basically you have... a half specified, unstable implementation of a samovar	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	they can't be that expensive ?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	i mean i can't justify paying a few grand for one on the grounds of the two cups a year i drink, but you're paying more for the tea as it is.	[16:02]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves?	[16:02]
phf	it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one.	[16:03]
thestringpuller	i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?"	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ebay.com/bhp/samovar << actually apparently you can get one for almost nothing	[16:04]
assbot	Samovar: Collectibles \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLlyQp )	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	"Russian Soviet SAMOVAR 3L there are violations of nickel hull see photos. A fantastic collectors item! Regards !!"	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	who knew russkis were such fans of violations.	[16:04]
phf	well wood samovars are out for home use, electric ones i think are mostly gimmicks, i mean i might as well have a trained bear at home	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered	[16:06]
phf	hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea	[16:08]
phf	so fully depends on how smokeless that charcoal actually is, and those that i saw used for grilling tend to produce a nasty chemical miasma	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ?	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	in other news, "Sexy women dress wholesale, customize fashion lady dress FOB Price: US $15 - 25 / Piece Port: HUANG PU PORT Min. Order: 300 Piece/Pieces"	[16:11]
phf	i'm not surprised that that's a thing, but that sounds awesome	[16:11]
thestringpuller	oh god mircea_popescu is making me hungry	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller can't even decide if texas or mass is the capital of good bbq.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	i can't even decide, i mean.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	but during your us visit i definitely recommend seeing a) a renaissance faire if one's into easy fatties ; b) a bbq-off competition if one's into delicious fats.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points!	[16:13]
thestringpuller	i'm getting fat as is.	[16:18]
thestringpuller	gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines.	[16:18]
phf	my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light!	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	phf or their gfs.	[16:21]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi.	[16:22]
phf	it's an interesting idea, but the kind of stuff their girlfriends eat, i prefer cow milk	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent!	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	;;ud 420	[16:24]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420 \| the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who ...	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	this is how we know i'm old.	[16:24]
thestringpuller	i hang out with people older than you on the reg	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	who know what 420 is ?	[16:28]
thestringpuller	yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's	[16:28]
phf	i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being	[16:28]
thestringpuller	the generation X kids all growed-up	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	hm. okthen!	[16:28]
thestringpuller	young people suck	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	fortunately.	[16:29]
thestringpuller	i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore	[16:29]
thestringpuller	19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11"	[16:29]
thestringpuller	"Maybe you should pick up a book?" "That's not required!!!1111 My opinions matter without education!"	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	let's get back to the sucking part.	[16:31]
thestringpuller	well we know how they suck, i guess now why do they suck?	[16:34]
phf	i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	anything good on the list ?	[16:35]
phf	that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something	[16:36]
thestringpuller	da iPhone was invented!	[16:36]
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mircea_popescu	virgin 15 yo ?	[16:36]
phf	that's a safe bet	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	in a coupla more years.	[16:36]
thestringpuller	reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..."	[16:38]
phf	i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	the wot is taking over all teh things!	[16:40]
thestringpuller	Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world.	[16:41]
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phf	i'm saying it's decidedly not burns, but event planner organized concerts, that have burn like activities also planned. morning yoga, games, camps all done by professionals. but "like you stay in a tent, and it's like nature" hence roughing it	[16:45]
phf	more kazantip, then afrikaburn	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping.	[16:48]
phf	can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years"	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated"	[16:53]
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phf	very true	[16:54]
thestringpuller	phf: OMG. hit the nail on the head. those are some of the interesting camps tho	[16:55]
thestringpuller	it's like they have a mini house in the form of tents...	[16:56]
thestringpuller	full kitchen. a table. a pantry.	[16:56]
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thestringpuller	i have to admit, i like having a grill when camping.	[16:57]
thestringpuller	save dehydrated food for hiking.	[16:57]
punkman	just need skewers or wire panel	[16:58]
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phf	i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement	[17:04]
funkenstein_	greeting y'all	[17:07]
funkenstein_	i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping	[17:07]
mats	lol	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D	[17:12]
phf	goes back to that thread about fucking and math	[17:15]
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funkenstein_	mircea_popescu, i don't follow bayesian approach sorry	[17:16]
funkenstein_	but wondering if you have recommendation for me on should I read mircea eliade	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	sure, why not.	[17:16]
funkenstein_	cool, I will check it out thanks :)	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG	[17:20]
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mircea_popescu	by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian.	[17:20]
phf	eliade's "yoga immortality and freedom" is still best exposition	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid".	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way.	[17:21]
phf	!up Chesterly	[17:21]
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mircea_popescu	he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	in clarifying this error, for instgance, eliade would be very useful.	[17:21]
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Chesterly	okcupid is lol for sluts	[17:22]
Chesterly	get on tinder	[17:22]
Chesterly	or bumble	[17:22]
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Chesterly	mirc, are you in ottawa, canada?	[17:24]
ben_vulpes	Chesterly: do you do any research before spouting off in general?	[17:25]
Chesterly	yes. this was my research: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard.....fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada	[17:26]
Chesterly	in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc.	[17:27]
phf	huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	Chesterly no, buenos aires.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	also	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	!s okcupidslut	[17:38]
assbot	12 results for 'okcupidslut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=okcupidslut	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/	[17:42]
phf	i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	yeh, i figured.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	but it's quite coincidental.	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	!rated funkenstein_	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	!rate funkenstein_ 2 dwarf banker and not the antichrist.	[17:53]
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phf	hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course	[18:07]
phf	you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc.	[18:07]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	lemme see if i can do it in math terms.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	"bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	truly, this simplifies "math" quite a heck of a lot.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	continuous*	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	and even if it didn't work, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too.	[19:09]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362694 << getting there	[19:53]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 01:14:33; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets?	[19:53]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362686 << also... getting there	[19:54]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 01:08:57; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing?	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	wait, kako's a known horse-eater ?	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt	[19:55]
assbot	Logged on 04-01-2016 23:54:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~	[19:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLc49 )	[19:55]
pete_dushenski	basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	on debian 7 ^^	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck	[19:57]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question	[19:58]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.	[19:58]
kakobrekla	what about horse?	[19:59]
pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362618	[19:59]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 00:24:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	"Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Horse is delicious	[19:59]
pete_dushenski	i don't doubt it	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	“Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the A’s. So you don’t even have that anymore,”	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	from https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/06/new-book-reveals-how-elite-phd-admissions-committees-review-candidates?utm_source=slate&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=partner	[20:02]
assbot	New book reveals how elite Ph.D. admissions committees review candidates \| Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLI20 )	[20:02]
kakobrekla	dat girl, wife material.	[20:03]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little boom when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one.	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)	[20:13]
pete_dushenski	http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture4.jpg	[20:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RzejXh )	[20:14]
pete_dushenski	http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture7.jpg	[20:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Rzeq5a )	[20:14]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362742 << los alamos eh. nifty.	[20:15]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 03:08:45; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.	[20:15]
kakobrekla	oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months.	[20:15]
kakobrekla	locally grown, straight from the farmer. not expencive either, 8 euros per kilo.	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah not bad.	[20:18]
kakobrekla	7 euro for goat.	[20:18]
kakobrekla	but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	primo salmon is ~25 bucks here, 15ish or so for steak	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362879 << heh. you're right, it's 1-200 mile range electric cars keeping you fenced in. can't even drive off to phreedom nao.	[20:20]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	have to stop overnight in every. single. town.	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car.	[20:21]
pete_dushenski	s/he/they'd	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: very reasonable prices	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ?	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	paul blart ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	nah cow and chicken character	[20:24]
kakobrekla	incidentally i drank goat kefir yesterday - it tastes like licking goat balls	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	now hiow wouyld you know that.	[20:24]
davout	exactly what i was wondering	[20:24]
kakobrekla	educated guess	[20:24]
davout	how does it compare to horse testicles?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	"rounder"	[20:25]
davout	"need to bend lower to reach"	[20:25]
kakobrekla	anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good.	[20:25]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/76534b67e50e0f4dfad1aeb0496c23661e6a60c47e9b20ec0b775eb69d677205_large << that one	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	yes!	[20:28]
kakobrekla	davout i see bash is still stuck at november ? :)	[20:28]
davout	kakobrekla: yeah, haven't gotten to it yet	[20:29]
kakobrekla	no worries, just returning the complaint.	[20:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00049046 = 3.4823 BTC [-] {2}	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	hahahaha	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << it's for "people" who "love food"	[20:34]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?	[20:34]
pete_dushenski	ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around	[20:34]
pete_dushenski	also has 'heart logo'	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing.	[20:35]
davout	kakobrekla: what are you? my wife?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	and when she's done...	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	"i can't believe it's not butter!"	[20:35]
pete_dushenski	i can't believe i'm not butthurt ?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	davout how is the fanny ?	[20:35]
davout	pretty exhausted by kid #2	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	did she get a horse ?	[20:36]
davout	hmm she's had a horse for a while now	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	oh. i just remembered she was thinking of buying.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[20:36]
davout	maybe a second one	[20:36]
davout	that would be the pony :D	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00049383 = 1.8183 BTC [+] {2}	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:37]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.	[20:38]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.	[20:38]
davout	obviously #ba needs a sane delivery network	[20:38]
pete_dushenski	god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	the pony express was kinda cool...	[20:39]
davout	yeah well don't count on mine	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	aha as seen with persians, khanate, usians	[20:40]
davout	it's more like "fuck you, i'm fine eating this delicious grass right fucking here"	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363093 << as far as accountants go, i'd say so	[20:40]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man.	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	davout: that entitled huh	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns...	[20:42]
pete_dushenski	"those are lottery numbers, not how much tax i owe !!"	[20:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363499 << l0l, and when i 'this is NOT everything!111' mircea_popescu answers 'mysticism!!11' - can't win.	[20:42]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 22:05:07; mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".	[20:42]
davout	i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform life's hard but unfare!	[20:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363517 << what even is this	[20:43]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 22:53:25; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	davout a man in the house ?	[20:43]
asciilifeform	heathen linux crud	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	lol. not mystical enough for you ?	[20:44]
davout	mircea_popescu: has to be!	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	close lid, come back later, lift lid, continue married with children from where it left off.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and external displays ?	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	i've not tried, but i am willing to bet that it'll bne fine.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	and yes if this was a thinkpad with actual ibm logo, this works	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	it is yes.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	but all it is good for is watching pr0n and 'lynx'	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	i could crack your head open with it...	[20:45]
asciilifeform	that also !	[20:45]
asciilifeform	i got a bunch of these here	[20:45]
asciilifeform	but none are good for mining u.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	thing's impressive in its solidity, i'[d guess 10 lbs	[20:45]
asciilifeform	x40 ?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	model	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	im too lazy to go check	[20:46]
asciilifeform	anyway these things rules	[20:46]
asciilifeform	*ruled	[20:46]
asciilifeform	but none will drive a reasonable number of pixels	[20:46]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: anyways, you wanted the error logs (!), you got the error logs.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: that one looks more like a 'i tried to install shitlinux and got bored' log	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13'	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	ahaha what the fuck!	[20:47]
pete_dushenski	mno	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3071 @ 0.00049042 = 1.5061 BTC [-] {2}	[20:47]
pete_dushenski	i have debian 7.3 installed, and several 'updates' don't wanna take because 'not latest verzionz'	[20:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363595 << last week or so especially egregious	[20:48]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	as far as i can see	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: neato	[20:48]
asciilifeform	but i can do that on a 486.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	just takes a little while.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	that's not the issue.	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: os ?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	ubuntu 10.04	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	i think i said that b4	[20:48]
asciilifeform	(the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop	[20:49]
asciilifeform	)	[20:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: could've been diff girl	[20:49]
pete_dushenski	you have, like, multiple	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski before, like 20 lines up!	[20:49]
asciilifeform	anyway 'compile trb' was never a mega-feat	[20:50]
asciilifeform	go compile rotor.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	from empty space.	[20:50]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE."	[20:51]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su	[20:51]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "	[20:51]
pete_dushenski	anyways.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	any university that didn't have 'jew quota' would rapidly fill up	[20:52]
asciilifeform	and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here'	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	in unrelated nyooz, today's mega-lulzatr0n winner,	[20:52]
asciilifeform	https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-asking-to-be-eaten-5acf72aa776f#.nf0nek4rc	[20:52]
assbot	Paul Graham Is Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs1nt )	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	or not really worth it / nobody cares ?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html << the piece which provoked the earlier thing	[20:54]
assbot	Economic Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs82q )	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	wait, this sort of anti-national-socialist propaganda is allowed on medium ?	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	i thought they only had good nazi chicks there or something.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	complicated. pg tries to position himself as 'legit business'	[20:56]
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asciilifeform	and 'growing the pie' etc	[20:56]
asciilifeform	rather than usg scion	[20:56]
*	assbot gives voice to trinque	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	so did krupp.	[20:56]
trinque	http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme	[20:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKAs8 )	[20:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKC3w )	[20:56]
trinque	know how it can be improved.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	trinque: neato	[20:56]
asciilifeform	trinque: post to ml plox	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	cool beans.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	yeh what he said.	[20:57]
trinque	k	[20:57]
asciilifeform	i generally go to ml when i look for 'what happened in xxx month trb-wise'	[20:57]
shinohai	ty trinque will test asap	[21:04]
asciilifeform	'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.'	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00048828 = 8.9682 BTC [-] {2}	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so.	[21:05]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 17:09:56; linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8	[21:05]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: lulzy, and predictable	[21:07]
asciilifeform	'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to “advise” and “mentor” those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	' << merit-washing	[21:07]
asciilifeform	somebody's been reading the logz.	[21:07]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363294 << next was foss ?	[21:08]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	bsd was.	[21:08]
pete_dushenski	ah that. yes.	[21:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5974 BTC [+]	[21:08]
shinohai	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL	[21:08]
assbot	nanoakron comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWnO )	[21:08]
asciilifeform	( https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-still-asking-to-be-eaten-5f021c0c0650#.s0vnaxy5c << source of earlier l0ltr0n)	[21:09]
assbot	Paul Graham is Still Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWUU )	[21:09]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: "he's a pinball wizard!"	[21:09]
shinohai	kek	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon	[21:11]
pete_dushenski	http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steven-cohen-accepts-two-sec-192920744.html	[21:13]
assbot	Billionaire Cohen settles with SEC, could soon manage outside money - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1POtcDj )	[21:13]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding")	[21:38]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.	[21:38]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363401 << titty milk is sweetest milk.	[21:41]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.	[21:41]
pete_dushenski	at least on all-carb-diet	[21:41]
*	pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.	[21:42]
pete_dushenski	i suspect black majic is at play	[21:43]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363418 << 23-24 isn't so bad. hopeful, energetic, know who to come to for answers.	[21:44]
assbot	Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore	[21:44]
punkman	kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats	[21:44]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: did we ever do a human milk thread ?	[21:47]
asciilifeform	!s milk market	[21:47]
assbot	2 results for 'milk market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=milk+market	[21:47]
asciilifeform	hm	[21:47]
pete_dushenski	looks like not	[21:47]
pete_dushenski	though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract	[21:48]
pete_dushenski	imo	[21:48]
asciilifeform	http://www.newsweek.com/booming-market-breast-milk-335151	[21:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OFmYXs )	[21:48]
asciilifeform	or http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/07/women-are-selling-their-breast-milk-for-incredible-sums-of-money	[21:49]
asciilifeform	etc	[21:49]
assbot	Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money \| Video \| TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA )	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.	[21:49]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik	[21:49]
pete_dushenski	like	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.	[21:50]
pete_dushenski	maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ?	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too.	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it	[21:51]
asciilifeform	and old scumbag pg also, but he wants to produce a... different kind of people.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski : www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding ?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out.	[21:52]
pete_dushenski	http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding http://www.theprovince.com/Young+mothers+make+money+selling+their+breast+milk+bodybuilders+Craigslist/10834072/story.html	[21:52]
assbot	Does Human Breast Milk Help Build Muscle? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0up )	[21:52]
assbot	Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP )	[21:52]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: wins	[21:52]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".	[21:53]
phf	damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah. right.	[21:53]
pete_dushenski	isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)	[21:53]
deedbot-	[Qntra] US Stocks End Record Losing Week - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/	[21:54]
pete_dushenski	worn for a day, that is	[21:54]
punkman	"Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11	[21:55]
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punkman	powdered breast milk.	[21:55]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell whaack win http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/#comment-37570	[21:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:55]
assbot	Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnzIE )	[21:55]
pete_dushenski	http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/#comment-37610	[21:57]
assbot	US Stocks End Record Losing Week \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnF35 )	[21:57]
phf	isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4	[21:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+]	[21:57]
assbot	smells like japanese panties ;) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnGnr )	[21:57]
*	imposter (uid57046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dggjmjsltgcsknnp) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	phf: bahaha	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine	[21:59]
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phf	judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp	[22:00]
*	Cristina_ (53280366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.40.3.102) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2}	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif	[22:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OFp5KM )	[22:16]
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shinohai	^ a kitty titty massage :D	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	i think it knows!	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself.	[22:41]
assbot	The FetLife Meatlist: How A Social Network Failed Its Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRM8DF )	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.	[22:41]
mod6	nice	[22:41]
shinohai	My BTC Phoundation troll of the day: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/685628331446956032	[22:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+]	[22:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363776 << mega-felid	[22:58]
assbot	Logged on 09-01-2016 01:14:09; mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif	[23:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JA9ewL )	[23:01]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[23:02]
asciilifeform	where's this from	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	the internets!	[23:03]
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mod6	trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =]	[23:08]
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asciilifeform	mod6, trinque: mighty spiffy	[23:10]
mod6	trinque - quite nice, Sir.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	hmmm this is suspicious	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?!	[23:13]
asciilifeform	isolated??	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?	[23:13]
asciilifeform	i got a pile of connections on each	[23:14]
asciilifeform	chugging mightily	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	you gettx'd it multiple times, and it was sent, but ?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	try now	[23:16]
*	asciilifeform tail -f ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log \| grep e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	will retry presently.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning	[23:16]
*	asciilifeform watches the displays	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	not the whole sha	[23:16]
asciilifeform	hm	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	try cat ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log \| grep e6b8aa9de	[23:17]
asciilifeform	done	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	and it's empty ?	[23:17]
asciilifeform	still pumping	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[23:17]
asciilifeform	askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 0	[23:18]
asciilifeform	sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896	[23:18]
asciilifeform	^ dulap	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	sooooo	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck don't i see it networkwide	[23:18]
asciilifeform	aaaaaaaaaaaand	[23:18]
asciilifeform	ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	well yes...	[23:18]
asciilifeform	is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?!	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	it shouldn't be.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	turned up same 3 lines on bucephalus	[23:19]
asciilifeform	nothing on zoolag.	[23:19]
*	asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	this is making just about 0 sense.	[23:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-]	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	does the log show any "received getdata" for it ?	[23:30]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2}	[23:36]
kakobrekla	bb payouts?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	obviously ;/	[23:38]
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kakobrekla	same thing happened as before?	[23:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2}	[23:55]
trinque	mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked	[23:58]
asciilifeform	askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300229000000	[23:58]
asciilifeform	sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896	[23:58]
asciilifeform	ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded	[23:58]
asciilifeform	^ just now	[23:58]
asciilifeform	(or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now)	[23:58]
asciilifeform	i suspect that kakobrekla is right	[23:59]
asciilifeform	and that it is the low-S fucktardation	[23:59]

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