Noob MP, or how it all began

09:48:45 mircea_popescu hi!
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;voiceme
09:48:45 gribble Error: You must authenticate via GPG to get voice.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;gpg
09:48:45 gribble Here are the instructions for authenticating with the bot using GPG: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;fraud
09:48:45 gribble Be smart, and stay safe - follow these guidelines to avoid fraudsters: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc#Safety:_avoiding_fraud
09:48:45 mircea_popescu umm.., nobody here then ?
09:48:45 vragnaroda yes, there are people here
09:48:45 vragnaroda /names
09:48:45 vragnaroda that shows 287 in here :-)
09:48:45 mircea_popescu @vrag a yea, just, nobody said anything :p
09:48:45 mircea_popescu so, I'd like to buy some bcoin. I have PayPal but I understand people don't really like that ?
09:48:45 vragnaroda that is correct
09:48:45 vragnaroda for someone without even a gpg identity registered, accepting paypal would be retarded
09:48:45 mircea_popescu well it kinda sucks. as it happens I'm a well known Romanian bloger, well trusted and all.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu actually, I;ve been running a digg type service with paypal payouts for a year or so now.
09:48:45 vragnaroda s•for•from•
09:48:45 mircea_popescu so basically, how does a well trusted person get that recognised here ?
09:48:45 vragnaroda well, if someone trusts you, great. but i don't see how being a blogger* inspires trust
09:48:45 vragnaroda read ,,gpg
09:48:45 gribble Here are the instructions for authenticating with the bot using GPG: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
09:48:45 mircea_popescu it should if you're the top guy of a languagespace, i imagine.
09:48:45 vragnaroda set up a gpg identity with gribble; trade with people and get ratings
09:48:45 mircea_popescu i did read that, point being, it will certify what ? that i exist ? that i can follow abstruse documentations ? i see zero actual credibility thus added
09:48:45 vragnaroda mircea_popescu: what are you doing here then?
09:48:45 mircea_popescu basically trying to see if there's an actual reasonable way to get your credibility recognised here.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu rather than some very bureaucratic bs.
09:48:45 sYN4P515 lol
09:48:45 mircea_popescu what can i tell ya.
09:48:45 vragnaroda uh, yeah, don't say that b/c you're using a nick that's someone's known name that means you're who you claim to be, while saying that using GPG to ensure people are trading with the same you in the future offers no additional credibility
09:48:45 vragnaroda in english, btw, that's called trolling
09:48:45 mircea_popescu o.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu right, irc nicks are arbitrarily assigned aren't they.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu mk. brb.
09:48:45 vragnaroda /nick barack_obama
09:48:45 vragnaroda :P
09:48:45 sYN4P515 i still cant get bot to register me ;/
09:48:45 vragnaroda sYN4P515: what does it say?
09:48:45 sYN4P515 ;;gpg eregister sYN4P515 FF6B605680F93274
09:48:45 gribble Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.
09:48:45 vragnaroda try using register/verify instead of eregister/everify
09:48:45 vragnaroda the steps are a bit different, but it shouldn't be too bad
09:48:45 sYN4P515 HOLY SHIT
09:48:45 vragnaroda nanotube: 12:02:02 @gribble Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.
09:48:45 vragnaroda sYN4P515: sorry, but i can't do anything about that error :(
09:48:45 sYN4P515 finally, registered :)
09:48:45 sYN4P515 thanks vragnaroda
09:48:45 vragnaroda sYN4P515: yeah, when i started, the e- commands weren't around yet, so there are pastebins all over the internet because of gribble
09:48:45 vragnaroda eauth and eregister are much nicer when they work, though
09:48:45 vragnaroda s/nicer/nicer than the alternatives/
09:48:45 sYN4P515 yeah this pastebin stuff is messy
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;gpg eregister mircea_popescu 8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!4e60edf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.96.237.247. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 sYN4P515 hm, maybe i need to be famious romanian blogger to be able to use eregister
09:48:45 vragnaroda lol
09:48:45 vragnaroda ’ blogger is a contradiction. there are only 24 million romanian speakers in total (23 million native speakers).
09:48:45 mircea_popescu about 20 mn really.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu so ?
09:48:45 vragnaroda well, wolframalpha says 23m native and 24m total
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;gpg eregister mircea_popescu 2FB7B452
09:48:45 gribble Error: '2FB7B452' is not a valid GPG key id.
09:48:45 vragnaroda so being famous within that small population isn't famous
09:48:45 mircea_popescu wolfram may not be the end-all be-all authority.
09:48:45 vragnaroda you gotta use the long-format one
09:48:45 mircea_popescu i didn't say famous, for one.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu ;;gpg eregister mircea_popescu 8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!4e60edf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.96.237.247. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 vragnaroda no, you used a synonym
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ most people think they're respected by being known by fewer than 1mn people.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ anyway, more's the point, i got a problem here. so i ran gdp, got a key, sent it to mit and whatever
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ordered the bot to give my pgp message
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ then i run
09:48:45 vragnaroda mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you meant to say there, but that's not english.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ wget -q -O - http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/YOURKEYID | gpg -q --output - --decrypt
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ and the net result is gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ why could that be ?
09:48:45 vragnaroda your secret key isn't available. that sounds like it may have been generated on another machine.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ uh. i just made it a second ago.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ on this comp.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ a wait i got it
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg register mircea_popescu 2FB7B452
09:48:45 gribble Error: '2FB7B452' is not a valid GPG key id.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:26e6435be477c9021d30d4ec4b2c103df54acfb0f775b8d0da5bf1bb
09:48:45 gribble Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg register mircea_popescu 8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu_!4e60edf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.96.237.247. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6b7618a41a94e88c25e78529a268032144525e76fa0e047754bd0766
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg verify http://pastebin.com/QrPJepGR
09:48:45 gribble Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.
09:48:45 sYN4P515 you pasted only signature without message
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/444227/
09:48:45 gribble Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/444227
09:48:45 gribble Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ mk so now i get Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.
09:48:45 sYN4P515 you pasted only signature without message
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ o o
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ sorry. total noob if it wasn't yet apparent
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/444228/
09:48:45 gribble Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ grr
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ ;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/444230/
09:48:45 gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'mircea_popescu' with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ o hallelujah!
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ apparently this can be done. by people!
09:48:45 sYN4P515 by bloggers, even
09:48:45 * vragnaroda has a sudden urge to kick mircea_popescu_, thereby deauthing him.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ snarky, are we ? bloggers are nice peopleyou know.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ now, to the point of contention : my claim wasn't to fame. my claim was to respectability.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ you should be respectable even if you're not necessarily english, or a star. in fact, neither those two seem pinnacles of respectability.
09:48:45 vragnaroda bloggers are people. some of them are nice. some are assholes. the nice ones tend to be boring, but assuming that someone's honest because of a hobby or profession is idiotic.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ it's not the assumption they;'re honest because of a hobby. but after a few years of speaking publicly and openly you're more credible than some backroom dealing politician, for instance.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ simply because you answer. publicly.
09:48:45 vragnaroda no, that does not follow. that is extremely illogical.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ do tell.
09:48:45 vragnaroda that you tell people things publicly in a somewhat entertaining way does not mean you're trustworthy.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ cause in the backwoods of romania things are either logical or illogical, they're not illogical by degrees.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ you don't tell. it's a discussion, they come back and say hey, X was wrong.
09:48:45 vragnaroda no claim to that was made
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ blogging is open source for politics, far as i can see.
09:48:45 vragnaroda what the fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
09:48:45 vragnaroda well, that just means you're blind.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ mkay. maybe we leave this for some other time.
09:48:45 mircea_popescu_ now, getting back on topic, who's the brave soul going to go on a limb and sell me some bc ? I'ma leave the ammount at your discretion.
09:57:39 mircea_popescu_ join #bitcoin-otc
09:57:47 mircea_popescu_ hmm. how do i join the other chan ?
09:59:02 nanotube mircea_popescu_: /join #bitcoin-otc
09:59:07 nanotube start with /
09:59:11 mircea_popescu_ tyvm
09:59:27 nanotube np :)
10:01:19 mircea_popescu_ mk so basically let me see if i got this right, you need to wait 72 hours after first autentication here to be able to list orders there ? or am i missing something ?
10:01:19 * copumpkin (~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod) has joined #bitcoin-otc-foyer
10:01:46 nanotube mircea_popescu_: no, you can list orders by looking on the website order book
10:01:59 nanotube the only thing you need to wait 72 hours for is ability to speak on #bitcoin-otc
10:02:06 mircea_popescu_ by list i meant add one. have your order listed.
10:02:13 nanotube you can do that here too
10:02:18 nanotube the buy and sell commands. see the ,,guide
10:02:19 gribble Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc
10:02:25 mircea_popescu_ o, right ? cool
10:02:26 nanotube (and you can do it in PM with the bot as well)
10:02:30 mircea_popescu_ ;;buy 1 btc at 15.00 USD via paypal
10:02:31 gribble Order id 4818 created.
10:02:36 nanotube see? :)
10:02:36 mircea_popescu_ o hey. nice.
10:02:42 nanotube ;;view 4818
10:02:44 gribble #4818 Fri 07:02:30 2011 mircea_popescu BUY 1.0 btc @ 15 USD (via paypal)
10:02:50 mircea_popescu_ ;;buy 0.1 btc at 1.40 USD via paypal
10:02:51 gribble Order id 4819 created.
10:03:31 * Harvie has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
10:03:44 mircea_popescu_ and if somebody wants to do a trade, how do they contact me ?
10:08:00 * toggles_ is now known as toggles
10:10:00 * mircea_popescu_ is now known as mircea_popescu
10:12:27 wolfman2000 mircea_popescu: Either they read the order now, or later, and most likely will PM you
10:13:01 mircea_popescu ya but that's what i'm, asking, where do i get the pm ? here ? or does it go to email ?
10:17:42 mircea_popescu so i found somebody named sturles who will sell coins to new ppl to get them ratings. how do i contact this person now ?
10:18:58 wolfman2000 If "sturtles" is the actual name, he's not on IRC right now
10:19:02 wolfman2000 you will have to wait
10:19:15 copumpkin not sure why that would be particularly valuable
10:19:36 copumpkin if I were a scammer, I'd just pay sturtles a few bucks, buy one coin, and _then_ start scamming everyone
10:19:43 copumpkin which means that a positive rating from him is probably not worth much (to me at least)
10:19:47 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=sturles like that.
10:20:10 mircea_popescu yes cop, and if you _weren't_ a scammer, what would you do ? hm ?
10:20:41 copumpkin I don't know :)
10:20:49 copumpkin cause I AM A SCAMMER
10:20:50 copumpkin muahahaha
10:21:12 copumpkin oh shit, I gave away my secret
10:21:14 copumpkin now I have to kill you all
10:21:14 mircea_popescu no but srsly. i can appreciate the need to keep scammers out. but there must be some way for legit ppl to get in, logically.
10:21:34 nanotube mircea_popescu: sturles is on -otc now
10:21:37 nanotube you can pm him
10:21:43 nanotube first: /query sturles
10:21:48 nanotube then type your msg
10:21:54 mircea_popescu ty!
10:21:57 nanotube or: /msg sturles your mesasge
10:22:54 nanotube also, sturles has been around here for a while, so as long as he's authed to the bot as sturles (check with the 'ident' command) you should be ok
10:23:15 mircea_popescu ident sturles
10:23:23 mircea_popescu o hey, you're the owner are you ?
10:23:30 nanotube ;;ident sturles
10:23:31 gribble Nick 'sturles', with hostmask 'sturles!~sturles@ulrik.uio.no', is identified as user sturles, with GPG key id EE6880F512F5590F, and key fingerprint DEFF29B442C2F94DF6BB09E0EE6880F512F5590F.
10:23:32 mircea_popescu ;;ident sturles
10:23:33 gribble Nick 'sturles', with hostmask 'sturles!~sturles@ulrik.uio.no', is identified as user sturles, with GPG key id EE6880F512F5590F, and key fingerprint DEFF29B442C2F94DF6BB09E0EE6880F512F5590F.
10:23:43 mircea_popescu ty. syntax is evil.
10:23:54 nanotube seems that he's the real guy :)
10:24:09 mircea_popescu and you tell this because the fingerprint listed matches the one on the website ?
10:24:33 nanotube well, it will match by construction :)
10:24:42 nanotube the main issue is that he's identified as user 'sturles'
10:24:57 nanotube since only one user in the system can be 'sturles'
10:25:15 mircea_popescu aha. so that's strong enough then. cool.
10:25:23 nanotube but of course, yes, that means he owns key EE6880F512F5590F, in order to be able to auth.
10:25:38 nanotube because to auth, he had to do what you had to do - decrypt a message with his key
10:25:45 mircea_popescu right.
10:25:59 mircea_popescu slowly getting the hang of all this. actually very clever all through.
10:26:06 nanotube hehe
10:26:48 mircea_popescu course i don't see many joe q public being able to get through the hoops, but hey.
11:11:26 mircea_popescu ;;rate guix 1 "Very helpful to first timers"
11:11:27 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user guix has been recorded.
11:11:34 nanotube mircea_popescu: well, until recent times, we haven't had many jonqpublics around here.
11:26:40 mircea_popescu @nano reminds me of the internet.
11:31:59 trancegeek ;;gpg eauth trancegeek
11:58:14 mircea_popescu ;;rate sturles 1 "Very helpful to first timers"
11:58:15 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user sturles has been recorded.
12:08:54 nanotube mircea_popescu: hehe indeed, the internet was a much nicer place before all the noobs showed up haha
12:09:42 mircea_popescu @nano yes. sadly also a lot less relevant to society in general. trade-offs.
12:13:30 nanotube yes, given that society is largely made up of noobs ;)
12:13:37 nanotube everyone is a noob at something
12:13:49 nanotube doesn't mean we can't complain haha
12:14:01 CaptainDDL ;;rate trancegeek 1 Sold .5 BTC via PP. Quick Transaction, nice guy. :)
12:14:02 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trancegeek has been recorded.
12:15:46 mircea_popescu wouldn't it be sad if we weren't noobs at anything. it'd be so... boring.
12:18:19 FractalUniverse n00bs? where? :D
12:19:39 no-n00b-for-you come back 1 yeaR!
12:20:11 n00b-n00b in 1 year it will be too late
12:20:13 nanotube haha
12:20:40 n00b-n00b in fact i should have come 1 year ago :p
12:21:36 n00b-n00b btw how did you oldtimers here learned about bitcoin?
12:22:25 n00b-n00b nanotube no-n00b-for-you nealmcb_ NeonLicht netxshare new301 nhodges NickelBot nostrum nullrouten nutcase NxTitle
12:22:30 nanotube n00b-n00b: on irc, of course :)
12:23:59 n00b-n00b realy? hmm i returned to irc just because of bitcoins:) haven't used it for like 10 years :/
12:24:12 nanotube hehe
12:24:18 nanotube well everyone has a different story
12:25:17 no-n00b-for-you believe it or not, it was from my blog commenters.
12:25:44 no-n00b-for-you and yea, i think last i used irc it was 1997 outside. or 1996.
12:26:17 nanotube no-n00b-for-you: so now you can post on your blog about your first successful bitcoin buy eh? :)
12:31:17 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/din-ciudateniile-viitorului/ that's the post
12:31:23 mircea_popescu just, romanian language, not sure what good it is for you.
12:33:06 n00b-n00b mircea_popescu: roman? looks almost like klingon to me :D
12:33:24 n00b-n00b i can't understand a word
12:33:44 mircea_popescu ehehe. roman-ian! try google translate for shits and giggles
12:33:54 mircea_popescu it'll make about as little sense :D
12:36:51 n00b-n00b how popular is bitcoin in Romania?
12:37:34 mircea_popescu i would say i currently own the most bitcoin of anyone in the country
12:37:43 mircea_popescu and prolly percents of the total outstanding.
12:38:47 mircea_popescu obviously difficult to actually know for sure.
12:39:33 n00b-n00b cool. richest bitcoiner in a country :)
12:41:20 mircea_popescu yep, it's why i moved here really. easy to get #1 spot in things
12:42:17 nanotube mircea_popescu: lol.
12:42:31 Catharsis1 good luck with that..
12:42:54 Catharsis1 its friday friday!
12:43:15 mircea_popescu hmm, where's vragnaroda go ? we had such an interesting debate going earlier.

So there you have it, July 22nd 2011. Cool huh.