November 24, 2019 | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/3HWhJ1T6f3qxtgk3XNBxtajX_400.jpg [00:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc7E9d ) [00:12]
asciilifeform thalidomide ftw [00:12]
mircea_popescu yup [00:13]
mircea_popescu saw a 20 yo with the flipper arm today. [00:13]
asciilifeform there ~are~ other ways to get there [00:13]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/soXoQtJ0J3lclrrlqe86ZTVz_500.jpg [00:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmpMv9 ) [00:15]
mircea_popescu notrly/ [00:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @#64; 0.00070937 = 4.3626 BTC [-] {3} [00:15]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile, at meta-kehlsteinhaus, herr metahitler plays metahide&seek with meta-y maids. [00:27]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/aGkz4XFcZ3dor6bbXrS6cBPP_500.jpg [00:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8y5r ) [00:27]
asciilifeform l0l! [00:28]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/1CdpS.jpg << in technicolour! [00:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8Lp6 ) [00:30]
mircea_popescu i have one for you, too! [00:31]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/rtTT2NJue3ao6fkxlSSg1uiy_500.jpg [00:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8PW8 ) [00:31]
asciilifeform ahahahahaha. i think i ~have~ that one [00:31]
asciilifeform the book, that is. [00:32]
mircea_popescu lol [00:32]
mircea_popescu are there chicks in iut ? [00:32]
asciilifeform aha [00:32]
asciilifeform can't sit a bloke in front of a card punch, y'know [00:33]
asciilifeform http://j.livelib.ru/boocover/1000317190/o/4e97/A._Zaretskij_A._Truhanov__A_ya_byl_v_kompyuternom_gorode.jpeg << book i was given as a small boy [00:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYi5 ) [00:34]
asciilifeform http://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#0 << somebody scanned it... [00:34]
assbot А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYPa ) [00:34]
asciilifeform http://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#204800 << skip to the 'encyclopaedic appendix' where the pics are. [00:35]
assbot А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmr3Cl ) [00:35]
asciilifeform hilarious comic, which can't really be appreciated today, prolly. [00:35]
asciilifeform it helps to be a no older than 5 y.o. orc who has never seen or heard of a computer. [00:36]
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mircea_popescu i hated these as a kid [00:43]
mircea_popescu "lying idiots, have nfi what a ocmputer is" [00:44]
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mircea_popescu ;;tslb [10:30]
gribble Time since last block: 13 minutes and 46 seconds [10:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ? [10:31]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 04:00:28; phf: http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg [10:31]
mircea_popescu hory sheit it is. [10:31]
mircea_popescu that's her right nipple and her left tit under that pinkish mess. [10:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @#64; 0.00069942 = 5.8751 BTC [-] [10:33]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255258 << what kako said, with the rider that the proposed thing carried exactly zero support by the people named. [10:37]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 11:36:42; btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I know your views about XTcoin, but what are your views about raising the blocksize limit by proper technical consensus and released through Bitcoin Core? [10:38]
* kakobrekla doesnt see benefits in forking [10:42]
mircea_popescu "So bummed right now, wonder who http://explorer.etherapps.info/address/0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is." [10:47]
assbot Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcRJas ) [10:47]
mircea_popescu dude what the fuck is wrong with these broken minds. [10:47]
mircea_popescu fucking monkeys already. so he fucks up, once by getting involved in a piece of shit scam, the other for sucking at math. and what he wants to know ain't "i wonder how i could be less fucktarded" at any point. [10:48]
mircea_popescu instead it's "hey, let's fix my being a monkey with more monkeying around!" [10:49]
mircea_popescu /0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is the fucking aliens, how about that. [10:49]
mircea_popescu it's chtulhu. [10:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @#64; 0.00069842 = 1.327 BTC [-] [10:51]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2000 * 1.64 / (1160*2.03*3) [10:56]
gribble 0.46429986977 [10:56]
mircea_popescu "I told him not to worry about it, because so long as he built something good enough to spread by word of mouth, he'd have a hyperlinear growth curve. If he was bad at extracting money from people, at worst this curve would be some constant multiple less than 1 of what it might have been. But a constant multiple of any curve is exactly the same shape. The numbers on the Y axis are smaller, but the curve is just as stee [10:58]
mircea_popescu p, and when anything grows at the rate of a successful startup, the Y axis will take care of itself." [10:58]
mircea_popescu this guy is completely fucktarded wtf. [10:59]
mircea_popescu this, he calls math ? [10:59]
mircea_popescu i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ? [10:59]
mircea_popescu "Some examples will make this clear. Suppose your company is making $1000 a month now, and you've made something so great that it's growing at 5% a week. Two years from now, you'll be making about $160k a month. [11:00]
mircea_popescu Now suppose you're so un-rapacious that you only extract half as much from your users as you could. That means two years later you'll be making $80k a month instead of $160k. How far behind are you? How long will it take to catch up with where you'd have been if you were extracting every penny? A mere 15 weeks. After two years, the un-rapacious founder is only 3.5 months behind the rapacious one." [11:00]
mircea_popescu here's what i propose : paul graham eat 500 calories for every 1k calories he expends. [11:00]
mircea_popescu he's so hyperfucktarded, he's only going to be 50% behind actual entrepreneurs. [11:01]
mircea_popescu rather than the 99.94% his piece of shit "ventures" are currently. [11:01]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, dulap is still ~50 blox behind [11:01]
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mircea_popescu so techniucally it'd be an improvement. and if he stops eating at all and instead starts puking edible vomit like some sort of invertebrate cornucopia, he might even be socially useful FOR ONCE IN HIS SAD EXISTENCE [11:01]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is with these people omfg. [11:02]
asciilifeform (lengthy blackhole periods apparent to naked eye, in log) [11:02]
mircea_popescu i've been up an hour i've been reading nothing but scandalous stupidity. [11:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255266 << sadly my copy of the book has a blank screen... [11:02]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 13:29:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu i can see why. [11:03]
mircea_popescu i never knew the russians to be czech minded. [11:03]
mircea_popescu afaik they're about as fucktardedly puritan as the anglos [11:03]
mircea_popescu brief 90s lapse notwithstanding. [11:03]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255288 << he wrote a textbook on basic common lisp for schoolchildren once. i still have it. can't comment on his programmatic work, afaik none of it has ever been published openly... [11:06]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 13:57:20; mircea_popescu: i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ? [11:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform look at this perhaps very worrisome set of two examples. [11:06]
mircea_popescu 1) naggum spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 40year old too fucktarded to get out of the rain. this is literally what happened, and one will have a lot of trouble talking around the failure of some guy to avoid dying of perforated ulcer. [11:07]
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mircea_popescu 2) graham spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 60 yo too fucktarded to understand even the most basic points of math. [11:07]
mircea_popescu this "take one side of the story and run with it" is speciufic of ambitious if none too bright 15 yo boys. [11:07]
punkman asciilifeform: he had his own lisp and I think he published the code that ran HN at some point [11:08]
asciilifeform punkman: 'arc.' it turned out to consist of standard scheme with shortened operator. [11:08]
asciilifeform s [11:08]
asciilifeform operators. [11:08]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: graham is an illustration of something else: the corrosive effect of taking scam-money, regardless of the purpose, on intellectual honesty and in turn intelligence itself [11:10]
asciilifeform it is impossible to do anything like proper thinking with sc4mz0rated priors [11:10]
asciilifeform in the very best case, the result looks like tommy aquinas. [11:11]
asciilifeform not sure if this adds anything to mircea_popescu's line of thought, but it is known that paul graham wrote common lisp programs using... vi. this drives me to barking madness after five minutes, and it is difficult to picture what brain might look like after a whole year of it, or what said brain must have looked like to even contemplate doing such a thing. [11:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform name a guy who did lisp and survived mind intact. [11:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255261 >>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807681 [11:16]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately [11:16]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this. [11:16]
mircea_popescu maybe you're right, and it's incidentals. or maybe lisp to the young mind is like meth-lsd [11:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neither of the folks you named encountered it as a young man [11:17]
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mircea_popescu "young man" = under 50. [11:17]
asciilifeform (rms would be a better example) [11:17]
mircea_popescu rms is not exactly a paragon of sanity. [11:17]
mircea_popescu but in his case, it's prolly congenital. [11:17]
asciilifeform hence better example of 'lisp as newton's mercury' [11:17]
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mircea_popescu not that i'm persuaded, but one can't not notice the coincidence. [11:18]
mircea_popescu and yes, the "scam money rots your brain" think is also a very powerful theory. [11:19]
asciilifeform more mundanely, sane folks tend to not end up famous. [11:19]
mircea_popescu in this field ?! [11:19]
asciilifeform in any field. [11:19]
mircea_popescu babbage was famous alright. [11:19]
mircea_popescu the list of sane folks in logic is impressive. [11:19]
mircea_popescu now, math people are generally a loony bunch, but [11:20]
mircea_popescu in computing (the actual kind) the record's not as bad as in most other disciplines. [11:20]
asciilifeform today, some degree of lunacy is almost a basic bar for being willing to touch the cursed machine in the first place. [11:21]
mircea_popescu i'm unpersuaded. [11:22]
asciilifeform properly sane people, for example, tend to stick to +ev activities. [11:23]
mircea_popescu and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports. [11:23]
mircea_popescu no activities are +ev, yo. [11:24]
mircea_popescu this is what being intelligent means : the more intelligent you are, the less often you get more than what you put into things. [11:24]
mircea_popescu that's the test. [11:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell [11:24]
mircea_popescu o that. well sure. [11:24]
mircea_popescu i also you know, don't draw self portraits in it. [11:24]
asciilifeform and it is perhaps just barely possible to program in it without 'who-calls', 'apropos', etc., but certainly not pleasant. [11:26]
punkman editing text in a console drives me mad [11:26]
mircea_popescu you do it on printouts ? [11:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, art is always and by definition a -ev activity, and people engage in it. for that matter, love and childmaking idem. [11:29]
mircea_popescu so there's a number of different problems with this "ev activity" line of reasoning. [11:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: art is +ev in the artist's diseased head. which is why insanity is a must. [11:30]
mircea_popescu dobut it. [11:31]
mircea_popescu i write the occasional bit of poetry/literature, and i don't either regard it as some sort of gain or myself as insane (for it) [11:31]
asciilifeform '+ev in his head' != 'consciously regard as gain' [11:32]
mircea_popescu but what then ? [11:33]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193607 << possibly this [11:35]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 19:34:29; ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism' [11:35]
asciilifeform he pictured originality in thought as something like the 'temperature' in a simulated-annealing [11:36]
asciilifeform turn it up past a certain point, and you get something clearly recognizable as 'batshit' [11:37]
mircea_popescu i see little more at work than utter contempt for "fellow man" in the common sense this is given. [11:37]
asciilifeform turn it all the way down - you get a housewife [11:37]
mircea_popescu that most creative people throughout the ages would prefer to pretend "they're insane" rather than make plain their complete inadherence to the mob is readily understandable [11:37]
mircea_popescu also known as "it's not you, it's me" [11:37]
asciilifeform 'insane' is necessarily a judgement made by the mob [11:38]
mircea_popescu a housewife is exactly that : someone completely adherent to the mob. so much so she can spend all her time with children and not care. [11:38]
mircea_popescu not so. [11:38]
asciilifeform (discounting modern folks who walks around pretending to be newton on account of hearing voices, etc) [11:38]
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asciilifeform housewife 'adheres to the mob', yes. but the trait in question (or rather lack thereof) is the ~why~ [11:40]
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asciilifeform from my point of view, proper 'insane' is when someone is so 'hot' that his mind has trouble sticking even to... arithmetic, cause-and-effect, and other knobs of the physical world we live in. [11:44]
asciilifeform sorta like you can't have chemistry, in the customary electroweak-force sense, happen on the surface of a star. [11:45]
asciilifeform see canonical 'timecube'. [11:46]
mircea_popescu maybe a sufficient approach if all you care about is handling and predicting [11:54]
mircea_popescu rather than "curing" [11:54]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the model breaks down on low states. which is why the housewife is such a problem for your approach : she's hot alright. [11:55]
asciilifeform in what sense hot ? [11:55]
mircea_popescu in the sense that her brain works. [11:55]
asciilifeform ice-cold, as far as i can tell [11:55]
asciilifeform it works, but in the way a train works - on rails laid down by others. [11:56]
mircea_popescu you talking from books or experience ? [11:57]
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asciilifeform from experience with the usual boring specimens of humanity one encounters on the street, in trains, lifts, jury box [11:58]
asciilifeform the folks who neatly cancel out one another's sharp edges. [11:59]
mircea_popescu it is generally rare to find a woman so stupid her actual optimal level is housewifing. [12:02]
mircea_popescu it's about 80ish or so iq, reall. [12:02]
asciilifeform ^ by definition not especially rare [12:03]
mircea_popescu it is rare, yes. look at the normal distribution, between say 88 and maybe 75 you get what, 4% of the population ? [12:04]
asciilifeform ~14 [12:05]
asciilifeform grind the gaussian. [12:05]
* mircea_popescu looks at this [12:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you get 0.0726 between -1.15 and -.85 deviation. [12:11]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255216 << the scheme pictured isn't terribly useful for the same reason that dirigibles are difficult to fly. [12:11]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 05:40:29; phf: ha, found it, flea balloon idea was in "Mechanics for entertainment", http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-2.png [12:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @#64; 0.00069712 = 2.9628 BTC [-] [12:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traditionally '70' corresponds to -2 sd, and '85' to -1. [12:13]
asciilifeform by weschler, that is [12:13]
asciilifeform stanford-binet had something else.. [12:13]
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mircea_popescu which is why i went 15% either side of 1 [12:13]
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mircea_popescu anyway, point remains, rare enough. [12:14]
asciilifeform 'rare' enough to mostly guarantee a tard in every jury box, etc [12:14]
mircea_popescu i guess the formula probably is, "the predominance of women best suited for housewifing equals the unit divided by the maximal litter of a woman" [12:14]
mircea_popescu so like 1/12 or somethign lijke that [12:15]
asciilifeform don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning [12:15]
asciilifeform easily double-digit [12:15]
mircea_popescu how's that supposed to work ? [12:15]
asciilifeform ask them. [12:16]
mircea_popescu they're not putting forth this theory. [12:16]
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asciilifeform can't say whether it is a biological effect or simply the matter of being in a room with small children entire day [12:17]
mircea_popescu same hit people going to work for a bureaucracy exhibit. [12:17]
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mircea_popescu (which, incidentally, is WHY we only care to fuck women < 20something. that's it. after she's moved on to office life, you can have her.) [12:18]
asciilifeform approximately [12:18]
asciilifeform brain atrophies much like muscles [12:18]
asciilifeform this incidentally is behind 'thinking people want to ~use~ their brains' which mircea_popescu counted as a sin [12:19]
mircea_popescu there's a difference between wanting to use your brain as a general thing, [12:20]
mircea_popescu and wanting everything you do to be driven by your brain. [12:20]
mircea_popescu the former's sane, the later's of the same ilk as children going to bed in their favourite clothes [12:20]
mircea_popescu BUT IT'S MY FAVOURITE PRINCESS GOWN!!11 [12:20]
mircea_popescu well... if you sleep in it, it won't be for long. [12:20]
asciilifeform l0l [12:20]
mircea_popescu aha. [12:20]
asciilifeform but the point remains, that microscope does not benefit from use as hammer. [12:21]
mircea_popescu whereas fuctkarded abstractions fucktarded people come up with greatly, and i do mean GREATLY benefit from a spanking. [12:21]
asciilifeform spank if you must, this old gray head, but spare your country's flag, she said [12:22]
asciilifeform or how did it go. [12:22]
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diana_coman asciilifeform> don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning <- interesting theory, as a mother of a 3yo I can say that the only way I can see that work is mainly due perhaps to sleep deprivation [12:24]
asciilifeform diana_coman: iirc chetty said something similar [12:25]
asciilifeform the last time this came up [12:25]
mircea_popescu diana_coman i bet you it's primarly driven by internalised expectations. [12:25]
diana_coman and no, I don't spend my whole day in a room with small children (and even when I do play with the lo, I find myself quickly ending up basically explaining graph theory on his train set/track or something other - not out of some idea that it will make him a genius, but out of boredom, yes) [12:26]
mircea_popescu rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so... [12:26]
mircea_popescu depends [12:26]
diana_coman there is a big shock in the first year for sure [12:27]
mircea_popescu diana_coman which is how camp inmates ended up teaching linguistics lmao [12:27]
diana_coman but not sure why/how/whether that shock really is about brain matter shrinking or something [12:27]
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diana_coman oh, the first days/weeks or so yeah, hormones all over the place and funny stuff (such as forgetting why I went to a room or another or stuff like that) [12:28]
mircea_popescu that's ok, i do that all the time anyway. [12:28]
diana_coman fwiw children actually enjoy even graph theory (if explained on train track sets) so no, it's not as if one has to really dumb down necessarily just for being with them [12:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255432 << considering that this works just as perceptibly on the fathers, it is probably an effect of hanging out with children [12:30]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 15:24:37; mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so... [12:30]
mircea_popescu diana_coman again, matter of internalised expectations. [12:31]
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mircea_popescu children, inasmuch as they're yours, expect exactly what they're getting and will be equally thankful for it, which is why a six year old is happy whether poor african or rich swede, just as long as he's with his mother. [12:32]
mircea_popescu !up Huxy [12:32]
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diana_coman yes, but more than that, they are actually curious (as far as I can tell and not only based on mine) and enjoy something new - they don't care about the level really, so it's more a matter of what the other people can "feed" them really [12:33]
diana_coman sure, they will be equally delighted with someone speaking gibberish to them [12:33]
mircea_popescu yup [12:33]
diana_coman but that doesn't mean that you *have* to speak gibberish to them [12:33]
mircea_popescu exactly. you don't have to grow fat and stupid now that you have kids. but if you expect to, sure, you will. [12:34]
mircea_popescu and they don't have to learn about santa and the guy in the sky. they will, sure, if that's what you wanna tell me. [12:34]
mircea_popescu 'em* [12:34]
diana_coman pretty much, yes [12:35]
mircea_popescu diana_coman so are you making another ? [12:38]
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diana_coman lolz, I guess if I am, then I will, won't I? [12:38]
mircea_popescu well obviously lol. [12:38]
punkman http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/his/ [12:46]
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mircea_popescu lol [12:47]
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mircea_popescu !up refferedbyloper [12:49]
-assbot- You voiced refferedbyloper for 30 minutes. [12:49]
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asciilifeform umm no he isn't [12:55]
asciilifeform or he'd be 'referredbyloper' [12:55]
asciilifeform ( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504 ) [12:56]
assbot Loper OS » Phuctor Broke Several RSA Keys. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjY1Qk ) [12:56]
asciilifeform so wtf ? [12:56]
punkman he figured out how to get !up's [12:57]
asciilifeform doesn't seem to be doing much with this one. [12:57]
mircea_popescu odd ?! [12:58]
asciilifeform refferedbyloper: you managed to discover how to begin at less than zero, congrats [12:58]
mircea_popescu lol [12:58]
refferedbyloper son't be mean, but be paranoid :) i'm just lurking around reading logs [13:01]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/xZCzkpWy231sbgjtbgzNfZVG_1280.jpg did we do iced tits yet ? [13:02]
punkman http://stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/104.238.169.61 [13:02]
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mircea_popescu ". In the same way that the people who used to use BBS systems in small numbers that are dwarfed by the number of internet users, Bitcoin will undergo a similar transformation, with similar beneficial effects, only this time, penetrating more deeply into society at every level than what is simple net access today." [13:09]
mircea_popescu god help us [13:09]
mircea_popescu because i'd so totally trade a mile of "internet" by which our friend of course means retardorama web 2.0, for an inch of bbs. [13:10]
mircea_popescu fortunately the point is exactly that bitcoin doesn't work like that. [13:10]
punkman who's that [13:11]
mircea_popescu reading through qnrtra comments [13:12]
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punkman https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/ [13:29]
assbot Mikrotik RouterOS 5.* and 6.* sshd remote preauth heap corruption | kingcopes´ blag ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKYi2W ) [13:29]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, re the constant empress cixi references : the esteemed duke of wellington also contributed "Depend upon it, Sir, nothing will come of them!" [13:50]
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trinque does this "psychoticism" mean something like willingness to act *upon* a person or *through* them? [14:07]
trinque made me recall "ready-to-hand" from heidegger [14:07]
mircea_popescu i'd rather expect it's "a reckless disregard of life and property". [14:09]
trinque if that, I don't see immediately how it could be an advantage. [14:10]
mircea_popescu which is properly called "manhood". [14:10]
trinque disregard certainly, depending on towards what [14:10]
mircea_popescu and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aGkz4XFcZ2vt33xmbntwBlXP_500.gif [14:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnu2KS ) [14:10]
trinque but if I disregard my nailgun, might not get useful results [14:10]
trinque hearing aids have made quite the improvements over the years [14:10]
mircea_popescu trinque you familiar with the "psychotic" observation of poincarre (the president, not the other one) that "universal lack of suffering may never be a policy goal, for the simplest means to effect it would be simply killing everyone" ? [14:11]
trinque I wasn't, but I see the sense in it. [14:11]
mircea_popescu well it is also in what a government of women would hold (and in those countries which do allow such nonsense, do hold) as reckless disregard of their litter. [14:12]
trinque naturally they would, though what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective [14:13]
trinque so I don't think I disagree, just that "who says it's reckless?" [14:14]
mircea_popescu i suppose the standard is "someone" [14:14]
mircea_popescu and no, "what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective" doesn't hold because "every sperm is sacred" and assorted nonsense [14:15]
mircea_popescu EVERY LYF CUNTS!11 [14:15]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk [14:17]
assbot Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnuIjk ) [14:17]
trinque lol [14:17]
trinque I suppose its obvious, but it points to an inherent conflict between the sexes. [14:18]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255261 << seen any solowheels around? [14:18]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately [14:18]
trinque even more extreme in other species [14:18]
trinque getting eaten after mating and such [14:18]
mircea_popescu the practical options are conflict or collapse. [14:21]
mircea_popescu you can't really have anything even resembling homeostasis in systems without contrary forces. [14:21]
* trinque nods [14:21]
mircea_popescu which is why "a life free of conflict" is such ridoinculous contradiction in terms. [14:22]
mircea_popescu you wanna be dead, go off yourself already. [14:22]
mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/#c4967 << lmao these derps still gonzoing around bitbet comments [14:23]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 3.84 B (13%) on Yes, 26.68 B (87%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 24`943 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUlaZd ) [14:23]
mircea_popescu must suck to suck. [14:23]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255342 << why not less, then, if we're not editing things. [14:24]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 14:21:49; mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports. [14:24]
mircea_popescu ctrl-alt-W for one thing [14:24]
mircea_popescu or w/e, cW aB [14:24]
ben_vulpes and that does? [14:24]
trinque vi modal editing is superior [14:25]
mircea_popescu search [14:25]
ben_vulpes oh, find and replace? [14:25]
mircea_popescu search/reverse search. [14:25]
trinque I use evil in emacs for this very reason [14:25]
mircea_popescu and i do make some MINIMAL adnotations. [14:25]
mircea_popescu like fucking stalin. [14:26]
trinque I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person [14:26]
ben_vulpes trinque: if i actually wrote code, i'd be more inclined to use evil. [14:26]
trinque I enjoy the use of my hands [14:26]
ben_vulpes as it is, the bulk of my time is spent performing archaeology. [14:26]
ben_vulpes speedup from modal editing would be negligible. [14:27]
trinque just a matter of staying off the modifier keys; I use space as leader and various sequences of keys from there, usually involving index and middle fingers [14:27]
mircea_popescu really, alf proposed a half truth when he said that if handling the mechanics of signing are the major time eater, one's clearly not doing enough work with the patches. [14:27]
mircea_popescu in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough. [14:28]
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mircea_popescu !up CohibAA [14:28]
-assbot- You voiced CohibAA for 30 minutes. [14:28]
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trinque ben_vulpes: not really a speedup; I've just moved common emacs operations towards the middle of the keyboard [14:29]
ben_vulpes trinque: mircea_popescu's gist here is eerily similar to mr W's [14:29]
trinque switching buffers is space-space [14:29]
trinque esc is right alt [14:29]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv2snpkftGZ97odjW_500.jpg [14:29]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/BCFVP7xlb2slk8hgr2iraZVi_500.jpgbecause CLEARLY they'd have her keep paties on. man those bugs climing abound on one's thighs is such horror. [14:31]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUlC9Q ) [14:31]
mircea_popescu for the record, /me holds the above way above theft and rape. it is the sort of intellectual dishonesty that should result in being drawn and quartered. [14:32]
mats ben_vulpes: nope [14:32]
ben_vulpes when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits' [14:35]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/2TdG78uXT2pyk3ybO7BUOTXA_500.jpg << and the panties were thrown. [14:37]
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ben_vulpes regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made". [14:46]
trinque ben_vulpes: seems generally you should always have a damned good reason for introducing new syntax [14:49]
trinque what that damned good reason might be still is not entirely clear to me [14:49]
trinque setf seems like an example of a good macro, where the general notion of "set the thing, whatever it is, to this value" is expanded to whatever the appropriate way to set that thing is [14:50]
mircea_popescu what does "value" mean tho ? [14:51]
mircea_popescu seems to me by the time i dun know anymore how to fill the something with water i have a problem more serious in there. [14:51]
mircea_popescu what something is it anyway ? [14:51]
trinque could be a slot on an object, could be some symbol [14:51]
trinque and the value would be an expression to evaluate [14:52]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255535 <<<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011152 [14:52]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 17:24:20; trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person [14:52]
assbot Logged on 07-02-2015 02:20:39; the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, [14:52]
trinque but yes, that perspective is also sensible. "know what you're dealing with" [14:52]
trinque asciilifeform: indeed [14:52]
mircea_popescu if i want you to set a vector to "4" do i mean 4.0, 4.0, 4.0 ? do i mean 4.0, 0.0, 0.0 ie the 1st invariant ? do i mean 4.0, 1.0, 1.0 ie the 2nd invariant ? do i simply mean 4.0, normal, normal ? what normal ? [14:52]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255542 <<< i did say this, many times [14:52]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 17:26:00; mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough. [14:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a ok [14:53]
* asciilifeform digs in logs, but fails to turn up, the discussion of typing [14:54]
ben_vulpes !s symbol from:asciilifeform [14:54]
* asciilifeform writes perhaps a dozen lines of text on a typical day [14:54]
assbot 14 results for 'symbol from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=symbol+from%3Aasciilifeform [14:54]
asciilifeform (of executable code, that is) [14:54]
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mircea_popescu for that matter setting a rate of flow gauge (like say a tap) to "4" is not in any sense similar to setting a wallet to contain "4". it's more alike "4x", really. [14:56]
mircea_popescu intuitive impression to the contrary notwithstanding, values do not contain their own definition. [14:56]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255557 << the correct use of lispmacro is, as any other notation, to maximally orthogonalize the system [14:56]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made". [14:56]
mircea_popescu which is why statistics is such iffy busienss. [14:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'macros' (in the lisp-family sense, because they DEMAND homoiconic language, and there are no others) exist to shoot 'design patterns' in the head [14:57]
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asciilifeform (for non-programmers: just about every language, other than lisp-family, has repeated chunks of boilerplate that programmers end up forced to memorize, and litter their work with. these are sometimes called 'design patterns') [14:58]
ben_vulpes what do you have against the delegateHoldingMyHandWhileComplexThingsHappenThatNeedToCallTheSystemStateMachineWithSpecificInformation pattern, eh? [14:59]
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ben_vulpes it is a very useful contract for writing code with other beebul! [14:59]
trinque naggum on lisp not turning people into cogs [15:00]
trinque ^ macro, pls expand [15:00]
asciilifeform trinque: that was my piece actually [15:00]
trinque ah whoops [15:00]
asciilifeform l0l [15:00]
asciilifeform !s lisp cogs [15:01]
assbot 4 results for 'lisp cogs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+cogs [15:01]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255484 << run moar weird closedsource networking systems, aha [15:02]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 16:27:33; punkman: https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/ [15:02]
ben_vulpes well until trinque writes his database-inspecting UI generator, i'm stuck building machines that write software to extract data from databases and render it and manipulatory widgets for it. [15:03]
ben_vulpes WITH PEOPLE. [15:03]
ben_vulpes eg cogs. [15:04]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to make the 'people' write programs. could send them to, e.g., make you coffee, while you write commonlisp [15:04]
asciilifeform or even could not hire them at all, and keep the dough [15:04]
trinque ben_vulpes: thing's probably like... clim and clos at this point [15:05]
trinque and I've postponed working on that thinger indefinitely, reviewing the literature :p [15:06]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: just doesn't understand How The Werld Werks (tm) [15:06]
asciilifeform trinque: i more or less broke my brain against the wall years ago trying to make clim run decently under modern unixen [15:06]
ben_vulpes "time and materials". [15:06]
asciilifeform what i ended up getting was slow-as-molasses, almost microshitesque experience [15:07]
asciilifeform was told 'go buy allegro' [15:07]
asciilifeform so i ended up thinking 'if i'm stuck with a $maxint system where i can't hold a conversation with civilians because no one else has the runtime, may as well requisition 'mathematica'...' - so i did [15:08]
trinque and then really, if you're dealing in the modern software "market", wtf is CLIM on an iPhone? [15:08]
asciilifeform trinque: even 'c' on iphone is problematic [15:09]
asciilifeform you're stuck with the imposed retardation [15:09]
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ben_vulpes why mathematica?! [15:11]
asciilifeform (for folks who never suffered the misfortune of getting involved with ipNohe - if you want your proggy to have a ui, and actually execute, much less get past the censors - you have to write at least a large chunk of it in next^H^H^Hcrapple's abortion of a c-with-classes) [15:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 [15:12]
assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27D3p ) [15:12]
asciilifeform ^ discussion [15:12]
phf mathematica is basically lisp written by a person who understood lisp, but hated lisp [15:13]
asciilifeform phf: aha. this is discussed in the logs [15:13]
phf naturally :) [15:13]
asciilifeform he hated it so much that when he understood that there is no escape from it if you want a sane and fully expressive programming system, he gave it a thick spraypaint coat to hide it [15:13]
ben_vulpes link? [15:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ [15:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27KMb ) [15:14]
asciilifeform gotta understand that wolfram is a great (in the sense of edison) plagiarist [15:15]
asciilifeform as in, expert plagiarist, who is very, very good at what he does. [15:15]
asciilifeform (idiot plagiarists plagiarize text; clever ones - concepts; great ones - whole systems, disciplines) [15:15]
asciilifeform wolfram tried to steal an entire ~discipline~ - as described in http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram and elsewhere [15:16]
assbot Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27MDR ) [15:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094237 << another thread re: same. [15:19]
assbot Logged on 09-04-2015 21:17:14; ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance [15:19]
phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ? << yes, i didn't actually notice until i posted, probably a 2ch gag [15:19]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 04:00:28; phf: http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg [15:19]
asciilifeform ^ not in the book. a very clean photochop gag, aha [15:20]
* asciilifeform admits that he had to actually pull the thing off the shelf and check ! [15:20]
trinque lol, I'd assumed the book was published somewhere with a sense of humor [15:20]
asciilifeform trinque: sense of humour, but vga was hardly even a thing yet (certainly in the east) [15:21]
asciilifeform so not yet age of electro-pr0n [15:21]
asciilifeform (aside from basement vhs) [15:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @#64; 0.0006982 = 18.0834 BTC [-] {3} [15:22]
phf well, also "В СССР секса нет" [15:22]
asciilifeform (tm) (r) [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @#64; 0.00071676 = 13.7618 BTC [+] {3} [15:23]
phf (http://russiapedia.rt.com/on-this-day/july-17/) [15:24]
asciilifeform ^ cult meme [15:24]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255554 << from what i've been told, the common problem of all 'handlebar-less segway' machines is the muscle strain from the constant effort involved in not falling off the thing while tilting it to steer [15:28]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 17:33:16; ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits' [15:28]
asciilifeform go stand on top of a basketball, to experience this. [15:28]
mircea_popescu so why exactly hated lisp ? [15:28]
asciilifeform wolfram? [15:29]
mircea_popescu yea [15:29]
asciilifeform ask him ? [15:29]
mircea_popescu so i have. [15:29]
asciilifeform but if i had to hazard a guess, it is because 1) it was great 2) not his [15:29]
mircea_popescu this is actually a perfectly legitimate reason to take things from idiots [15:30]
asciilifeform herr w has a considerable, imho psychiatric, 'greatness complex' [15:30]
mircea_popescu (/me is still unpersuaded anyone involved in lisp to date isn't an idiot) [15:30]
asciilifeform but he did not take it from idiots. he took it from smart folks [15:30]
mircea_popescu who, rms ? [15:30]
asciilifeform mno [15:30]
asciilifeform long before rms was famous. [15:30]
mircea_popescu greatness doens't get to skip a generation./ [15:30]
mircea_popescu it's either continued or unextant. [15:30]
asciilifeform didn't say that it skipped. [15:31]
mircea_popescu well so from whiom then [15:31]
asciilifeform the lisp thing (goes far beyond a style of programming language, but concepts like dynamic type and garbage collection and a number of other concepts) started at stanford under mccarthy himself, then mit 'project mac' (nothing to do with apple), then mit ai lab and 'lispmachine' [15:32]
asciilifeform then essentially vanished. [15:32]
mircea_popescu sooo.... [15:32]
asciilifeform except that modern-day idiots use the broken-off pieces of it in everything. [15:32]
mircea_popescu right ? [15:32]
asciilifeform like the visigoths broke apart roman mosaics [15:32]
mircea_popescu "bitcoin started with unnamed guy, then essentially vanished. except contemporary idiots using "blockchain technologies"" [15:32]
mircea_popescu can't blame a man for "stealing" from this lot, [15:33]
mircea_popescu or for making it impossible for the lot to exert any further control. [15:33]
mircea_popescu it's not theft, it's god's own repossession. [15:33]
mircea_popescu ape may steal from man ; but man can not steal from ape. everything man takes from ape is glory. [15:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: appreciate, there was no way to make lispmachine cheap in 1978 [15:33]
asciilifeform or even 1988. [15:33]
asciilifeform the chemistry was not there. [15:33]
asciilifeform just like we do not yet know how to make mass spectrometer cheap [15:34]
asciilifeform or electron microscope. [15:34]
mircea_popescu myeah. [15:34]
asciilifeform today, the apes are nesting in man's burned-out skyscrapers, approximately. [15:35]
mircea_popescu this discussion made me intuit a strange sort of reverse-marxism. [15:36]
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mircea_popescu for everything the common man "has" is a) not his good property and b) acquired by him through some osrt of redistribution or other [15:36]
asciilifeform how else. [15:36]
mircea_popescu and so everythiong the common man has must be taken from him, right now. [15:36]
asciilifeform this was, in all places, a lengthy monologue in one of ayn rand's yarns [15:36]
asciilifeform does anyone recall which ? [15:36]
asciilifeform pretty sure it was 'atlas' [15:37]
asciilifeform but where? can't recall. [15:37]
mircea_popescu historically various accidental constraints made the construction of one's ideas vulnerable, and he ended up sharing some part with the mob [15:37]
mircea_popescu that thing is going away, rapidly. [15:37]
mircea_popescu soon enough, who he thinks shall have, and he only. [15:37]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform was it ? [15:37]
asciilifeform it was. [15:37]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: caveat: do you recall the experiment with the beaten chimpanzee ? [15:37]
mircea_popescu what's next, experiments with seaweed ? [15:38]
asciilifeform it was a kind of animal demo of why 'atlas' doesn't ever actually 'shrug' [15:38]
phf i thought esotericism and knowledge guilds is how it was done until quite recently? [15:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's nonsense. [15:39]
asciilifeform phf: the modern-day successor of that is the unspoken gentleman's agreement among programmers to churn out mountains of shit that has to be 'maintained' at tremendous expense forever [15:39]
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phf i have a very romantic view of guilds then, more like b-a, less then hacker news, but then i grew up on romantic literature [15:40]
asciilifeform phf: navigator's guild in 'dune' ! [15:40]
asciilifeform who wouldn't wanna join that. [15:40]
phf oh, that's fair [15:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nonsense ? be so kind as to demonstrate gedankenexperiment ? [15:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and, preferably, something that doesn't make me think of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 [15:41]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in. [15:41]
asciilifeform that is to say, some mechanism whereby 'atlas' may 'shrug' without killing himself necessarily. [15:42]
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asciilifeform 40.0.3 ?!!! [15:43]
asciilifeform how many ~are~ there now. [15:43]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can conduct an experiment where i get together six poor africans, who then proceed to get drunk and be stupid, and say "lo! this is man" and you'll say "gtfo these niggers out of hewre, they're unrepresentative". [15:45]
mircea_popescu how do you figure chimps are representative ? why not go ask the ruminants of the fucking plains. [15:45]
asciilifeform but if the experiment is about, say, effects of strontium-90 [15:45]
mircea_popescu but it is not. [15:45]
asciilifeform it is about effects of hunger, among other things. which affects pretty much all mammals similarly, no ? [15:46]
mircea_popescu no. [15:46]
mircea_popescu and it is not about "the effects". it is abour social organisation, which is supposed to be a culturally normated activity. [15:46]
mircea_popescu so no : i am not rawl's "any other man" and so very much less am i some derp's three dozen chimps. [15:47]
mircea_popescu for all you know he picked from the wrong chimp country. [15:47]
asciilifeform pan troglodytes doesn't seem to differ much from human schoolboy re: organization [15:47]
asciilifeform afaik [15:47]
mircea_popescu except in places (like shown by this experiment) where he does. [15:47]
asciilifeform the invention of 'шарашка' demonstrates that the chimp trick works great on man. [15:48]
mircea_popescu for that matter, go, write "a lisp such that any other man would see the wisdom in it and b e able to use it to whatever purpoise without bothering to learn it, or even read his own code" [15:48]
mircea_popescu on fucktards, yes. [15:48]
mircea_popescu it works great to distinguish chimpalikes aka ciumpalaci. [15:49]
asciilifeform nothing works on everyone. not even aids virus [15:49]
asciilifeform not even bullet in head (some folks survive!) [15:49]
mircea_popescu for that matter, horse medicine works to some degree on some people. [15:51]
mircea_popescu yet, to stay in the same anecdotal universe, whatever the шарашка proves about the fundamental worthlessness of "intellectuals", the vory/suka dispute prove that man is still not chimp. [15:52]
asciilifeform i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave [15:53]
asciilifeform the product of this recipe is afghanistan and the pashtuns [15:54]
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asciilifeform (orlov is somewhat fixated on them as 'ideal') [15:54]
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asciilifeform whatever else 'vory' might do, notice how they don't ever appear to build orbital launchers ? [15:56]
asciilifeform or thermonuke? or even create so much as a bulldozer ? [15:56]
asciilifeform there was an interesting piece in some rag or other, a few weeks ago (?) re: mexican mafia stealing and enslaving white engineers to build their infrastructure [15:57]
asciilifeform similar cases were heard of during the chechen wars [15:57]
asciilifeform (and today from 'isis', though it is difficult from where i stand to get anything like an honest picture of the latter) [15:58]
asciilifeform or chingis khan 'stealing' chinese scholars... [15:59]
asciilifeform if, as mircea_popescu appears to suggest, chingis khan is the 'luxury model' of human, and everybody else is 'man lite version', why does the khan have to enslave engineers ? [15:59]
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trinque perhaps it's a question like "why doesn't the queen bee have to haul all this pollen?" [16:02]
asciilifeform the queen bee has a biological function. [16:02]
trinque and wouldn't a human leader also be said to have a biological function? [16:02]
trinque like a social supernode which organizes the activity of other nodes [16:03]
asciilifeform it is not clear to me that the fella sitting in ru prison barrack who does not a lick of work, other than organizing circle of thugs to squeeze 2x the normative quota from the poor schmucks, serves a purpose [16:03]
asciilifeform any more than a tumour. [16:03]
trinque sure but that'd be maybe a degenerate case of the thing [16:03]
gernika mircea_popescu can I snag a eulora account? [16:04]
asciilifeform trinque: btw it was not clear to the folks who ran the camps, that this naturally-occurring system of hierarchy was a net plus re: net tonnage from the mines. hence the 'vory/suka wars' mircea_popescu referenced, a famous case where su authorities tried to monkey with the 'org chart' [16:05]
asciilifeform depending on who you ask - it worked. or didn't. [16:06]
asciilifeform (the most notable successes, iirc, were when they hogtied 'blatnoi' leaders and methodically shipped them to distant camps where they would be lowered into pederasty immediately, with all necessary force) [16:07]
asciilifeform there were also experiments in imprisoning them together in specially-designated zones where they would be permitted to rapidly kill off one another. [16:08]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how tyrannical /were/ the Symbolics licenses? [16:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: they were ordinary for the time [16:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'this is the source, no you may not show it to folks who have not bought' [16:12]
ben_vulpes sounds eminently reasonable. [16:12]
asciilifeform ^ not that it would have done a 'freeloader' much good [16:12]
asciilifeform as he doesn't have the hardware [16:12]
asciilifeform recall, this was still the tail end of the era where software was just this thing that came with hardware [16:12]
asciilifeform like wheels come with a car [16:13]
ben_vulpes and the symbolics machines could run c as we [16:13]
asciilifeform not only [16:13]
ben_vulpes as well*, right? many other languages too. [16:13]
asciilifeform even fortran, ada, pascal [16:13]
asciilifeform and all could share data structures, even. [16:13]
asciilifeform and use the runtime debuggability and repairability (yes) [16:14]
asciilifeform ^ yes, you could, potentially, repair and ~uncrash~ a crashed process [16:14]
* ben_vulpes wonders at the notion of runtime debuggability of c-through-lisp [16:14]
asciilifeform the trick is that it wasn't c-on-cmachine [16:14]
ben_vulpes but c in lispm [16:15]
asciilifeform but remained internally aware of intended datatypes [16:15]
asciilifeform and bounds [16:15]
asciilifeform afaik there were not many cases of c proggies being used in practice on lispm [16:15]
asciilifeform it was more of a thing one might want to do if really need to use a page from 'numerical recipes in c' verbatim in a hurry, etc. [16:15]
asciilifeform using c on lispm did not win you anything in any other case. it is rather like starting a campfire on the floor of your kitchen [16:16]
ben_vulpes myeah, i can see that. how would it have handled modern nixy proggies? [16:16]
asciilifeform yes, if you provisioned for this, poured concrete floor - you can. [16:16]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: afaik no one was ever dumb enough to demand this. [16:17]
asciilifeform it is like asking to not only have campfire, but mammoth hunt, in the kitchen. [16:17]
asciilifeform lispm was only possible because 'consumers have come to expect' was not fully a thing yet. [16:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i also can't help but laugh a bit at the phrase 'modern nixy proggies' - we're sorta stuck in 1968 state of the art... [16:20]
asciilifeform and talking about how nifty it would be to get 1978 state of the art. [16:21]
asciilifeform how come nobody asks how well 1958 state of the art would handle on unix ? the batch proggies, on punched cardboard ? [16:22]
ben_vulpes okay okay! [16:22]
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asciilifeform btw, speaking of software licenses, anyone recall mircea_popescu's anarchist license ? [16:24]
asciilifeform 'no you may not use this code, except if you piss on law' [16:25]
asciilifeform i recently thought of an equally-ceremonial 'software license'. would go roughly like this, [16:25]
asciilifeform 'this program may be redistributed provided that 1) this notice and 2) the original copy of $program, with my pgp signature thereof - are included; and any changes you made to $program must be represented in the form of a vdiff patch signed with a pgp key registered in the Web of Trust.' [16:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3488 @#64; 0.00069961 = 2.4402 BTC [-] [16:28]
asciilifeform if anyone here has the muscles to turn this concoction into a formula which might threaten to work in traditional courts, in some major country - go right ahead. [16:29]
asciilifeform would be interesting to see. [16:29]
ben_vulpes nah, we don't traditional courts. [16:31]
asciilifeform (on a sane planet, you won't need lawsuits to enforce this. no reasonable person will run code that doesn't have a wot signature) [16:31]
ben_vulpes right, and there's why. [16:31]
ben_vulpes the wot solves another problem. [16:31]
asciilifeform but it would be an interesting ceremonial flag, in the spirit of mircea_popescu's license thing. [16:31]
ben_vulpes perhaps "you may not share your patches with anyone else who does not have a license for my original copy of $p" [16:32]
ben_vulpes as, of course, verified by your signing a license to their key. [16:32]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is asking for mountains of 'mother may i' spamola [16:33]
ben_vulpes howso? [16:33]
asciilifeform it only makes sense if folks are paying. [16:33]
asciilifeform ~i~ don't have time to sit and issue 'licenses' to 10,000,000 schmucks [16:33]
ben_vulpes no but if they pay. [16:33]
asciilifeform but nobody's paying me. [16:33]
asciilifeform not for anything interesting, at any rate [16:34]
ben_vulpes you've not made anything worth paying for, then. [16:34]
asciilifeform evidently. [16:34]
ben_vulpes market, admittedly, is /tiny/. [16:35]
asciilifeform perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for.. [16:35]
ben_vulpes oh it's even harder than that, asciilifeform [16:35]
ben_vulpes it has to be commercially viable in this wot. [16:35]
ben_vulpes regarding the "may i" spamola, you could issue a license to a trivially-generated pubkey. [16:36]
ben_vulpes degenerate case. [16:36]
asciilifeform but what's that get me ? [16:36]
ben_vulpes some sort of parity with extant licensing schemes. [16:36]
asciilifeform parity ?!! [16:37]
ben_vulpes wrong word! [16:37]
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asciilifeform i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?! [16:37]
asciilifeform it'd be like those crackpot bums who stand on street corners and beg folks to take their self-published 'book' [16:37]
trinque that speaks more to the "for free" than to the work, doesn't it? [16:38]
asciilifeform trinque: aha [16:38]
asciilifeform trinque: but we have yet to establish that there is or could be such a thing as software that is genuinely worth paying for [16:38]
asciilifeform if there is, ~i~ certainly am not blessed with the gift of crapping it out [16:39]
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asciilifeform and wouldn't know anything useful to add [16:39]
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asciilifeform !s pay for sunlight [16:39]
assbot 0 results for 'pay for sunlight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pay+for+sunlight [16:39]
asciilifeform hm. [16:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143413 [16:40]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun. [16:40]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:23; mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell [16:40]
trinque could instead decide that you'll use your software powers to cynically crap out anything with a price tag. [16:40]
trinque meanwhile inside the company building tools to make the crapping ever easier [16:40]
asciilifeform that's sorta what people do now [16:40]
trinque yep. [16:40]
asciilifeform it isn't especially interesting to talk about, imho [16:41]
trinque well, that seems to be the only way to amass the capital to do interesting things, at least from where I sit. [16:41]
asciilifeform and as i gather, most of the folks involved on anything but the ultra-successful 'lottery winner' end of it, want out. [16:41]
danielpbarron asciilifeform> perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for.. << Eulora bots. [16:42]
asciilifeform reason being http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255331 [16:42]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 14:17:13; mircea_popescu: and yes, the "scam money rots your brain" think is also a very powerful theory. [16:42]
phf graham and naggum are probably not the best examples of lispers. graham wrote cgi scripts for clisp in vi and had unhealthy obsession with macros, did a web startup and sold it at the right time. naggum if he was a little bit dumber would've just been a kook, considering his completely insane angry rants. (and i learned a lot from naggum, but i don't think the manner of his death was a surprise) [16:42]
phf there's greenblatt, tom knight, david moon, daniel weinreb, guy steele, peter norvig, abelson&sussman, jack holloway. stallman and minsky. not to mention cracauer, eller, fahlman, maclachlan, rme, ron garret of the later people that i know of, tons of people i'm forgetting. [16:42]
trinque every business on earth needs tools to classify and count their things, and to answer useful questions with this information. [16:42]
trinque and the tools are all shit [16:43]
phf but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies [16:43]
trinque I could see a scheme where you make a general solution to that problem which you do not sell. [16:43]
trinque you derive specific solutions and sell those [16:43]
asciilifeform phf: mircea_popescu has a marked tendency to go with lenin's 'intelligentsia is not the nation's head but its arsehole' [16:43]
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asciilifeform trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch. [16:44]
trinque why can't it? [16:44]
asciilifeform trinque: aha, it can ?! now you're married to microshit. because there is no way of reliably speaking the format in any and all cases except by linking their libs [16:45]
asciilifeform and using their dev environment and joke of an os. [16:45]
asciilifeform 'consumer has come to expect !!' [16:45]
trinque yeah but you're thinking like a scientist [16:45]
trinque this needs no perfect solution to be better than what's available [16:45]
trinque just "I can count all my damn beakless chickens" and so on [16:46]
trinque and it farts out reports I give to my accountant [16:46]
asciilifeform trinque: it isn't about 'perfect' but about eschewing pederasty. [16:46]
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trinque right, you're a scientist. meanwhile I'd love to have the market on traffic cones cornered. [16:47]
asciilifeform go, corner. [16:47]
asciilifeform usually you find that there is a reason why nobody gets to be 'next microshit' every year. [16:48]
asciilifeform same reason you won't get to be 'the next exxon' [16:48]
asciilifeform or 'next halliburton' [16:48]
trinque ah but who wants to be that big and bloated [16:48]
trinque can make a fine pile for yourself in some niche nobody ever heard of [16:48]
asciilifeform go, make [16:48]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...! [16:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255852 << i will let mircea_popescu explain himself, by himself, but iirc this thread began long ago with the mention of an infamous paper, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf (mirror) [16:53]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 19:40:56; phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies [16:53]
asciilifeform 'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group' (Stammbach 1988) [16:53]
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asciilifeform ^ not even re: chimps! funny how forgot this [16:53]
mod6 asciilifeform: hey, qq: are you going to post the modified vdiff.sh (creation of vpatch w/o timestamps) to the ml, or will it be included with your next submission of the full working solution? [16:54]
asciilifeform mod6: it was posted! [16:54]
mod6 Oh it was?! [16:54]
* mod6 looks [16:54]
asciilifeform phf: the animals were placed in a room where there was a set of levers, which, if pulled correctly, would dispense food. result was that, at any given time, a handful learned to pull the lever, but would not get to eat the treats. instead, would be beaten for non-performance by the others if they stopped. [16:55]
asciilifeform phf: the paper became a 'viral meme' and nicknamed 'codemonkey paper' [16:55]
asciilifeform on account of the resemblance to human programmers, engineers, and other 'slave artisans' who build civilization but are rarely seen in mercedes [16:56]
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mod6 so i see, obv., the one that was submitted with The Full Orchestra, but i don't see your updated one that looks like: [16:57]
mod6 #!/bin/bash [16:57]
mod6 diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|+++)/{s="sha512sum "" $2 "" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }' [16:57]
mod6 bah, well disregard the above -- as this came from my orc.sh script with escaped shell vars, but you get the point i think. [16:57]
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phf иваныч суконах у мартышек то все как у человеков [16:58]
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asciilifeform mod6 is right, i think [16:59]
asciilifeform it was never formally posted with signature. [16:59]
asciilifeform go figure. [16:59]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255824 << no per-user work, just a single pubkey to which anyone could find the corresponding privkey [17:00]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 19:35:24; asciilifeform: i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?! [17:00]
ben_vulpes a la deedbot [17:00]
phf by the way that script above needs a close i.e. ... if (s) { close(s); ... [17:00]
punkman asciilifeform: trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch. << I've written lots of these, it's called .csv [17:00]
phf i think gnu awk closes implicitly but a bsd one keeps the fd's open and eventually runs into open file limits [17:00]
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asciilifeform punkman: not same thing [17:00]
asciilifeform punkman: not if 'customer who expects' shows up with a microshit document with formatting, etc. [17:01]
asciilifeform and you know ~exactly~ what i mean [17:01]
punkman asciilifeform: customer can learn to export csv or fuck off most of the time [17:01]
trinque ^ [17:01]
asciilifeform aha so why not also ask him to bring s-expression or fuck off [17:01]
asciilifeform and before long, you're naggum [17:01]
mod6 I'm currently working on the SoBA to close out the month, would like to point at the vdiff.sh that creats w/o timestamps in the document. Only reason that I bring it up. Thanks for taking a look. Wasn't sure if I missed it somehow. [17:01]
asciilifeform and working on ulcer [17:01]
trinque because the CSV one requires him no work but to change the save-as type, or w/e [17:02]
punkman if excel did s-expr, sure why not [17:02]
trinque also this is a matter of sales, not education [17:02]
ben_vulpes sometimes one goes to a cafe to meet a customer instead of demanding they come to ones office. [17:03]
asciilifeform mod6 et al: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt [17:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS ) [17:03]
asciilifeform ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [17:03]
trinque neat [17:03]
trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt [17:03]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [17:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS ) [17:03]
punkman on a similar note, customer asks for mongodb, but "I used sqlite because you are retarded" [17:04]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255910 <<< this is not true. [17:04]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 20:00:15; trinque: because the CSV one requires him no work but to change the save-as type, or w/e [17:04]
asciilifeform and you know it. [17:04]
asciilifeform 'i want the boldface, italics, and cat pictures retained !!!1111' [17:04]
asciilifeform see also the 'gimp and photoshop' thread from a few wks ago. [17:04]
ben_vulpes this is rank nonsense. [17:05]
ben_vulpes go talk to the cfo about the cat pictures. [17:05]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243080 [17:05]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 00:13:22; asciilifeform: that does not work with gimp. [17:05]
asciilifeform my point is that the craftsman DOES NOT GET TO REDEFINE THE JOB [17:05]
trinque I gotta run for a bit unfortunately. [17:05]
trinque but the consultant does. [17:05]
asciilifeform not unless the customer agrees. [17:05]
asciilifeform this ends in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 . [17:05]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in. [17:05]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6 et al: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt << ok thanks, I can just point at the deedbot submission then. [17:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS ) [17:06]
asciilifeform mod6: it will be part of the formal release of 'v'. but for now, can use this. [17:06]
ben_vulpes in a healthy relationship, the consultant keeps the customer from making bad decisions in areas in which the customer has no business making decisions. [17:06]
asciilifeform vdiff will not change. [17:06]
mod6 asciilifeform: sounds good. thanks for doing that. [17:06]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.' [17:06]
mod6 trinque: just have to wait until next block before it shows up in the deedbot.org list? [17:06]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: vdiff is 0k! [17:06]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: can't, you'd poison 'em. [17:07]
asciilifeform prolly [17:07]
trinque mod6: shall pop out at the next hour [17:07]
asciilifeform and they won't even be able to eat my corpse, wrong-chirality proteins [17:07]
mod6 trinque: fantastic. thanks. [17:07]
trinque it's rather dumb, doesn't watch for blocks in the log, though that'd be nice [17:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9192 @#64; 0.0007193 = 6.6118 BTC [+] [17:08]
mod6 this thing has a cool 0x00FF00 && 0x000000 website [17:08]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255945 << lol, how big did ben_vulpes think it to be ? [17:09]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 20:04:49; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: vdiff is 0k! [17:09]
mod6 'solid green' ?! [17:09]
punkman trinque: would deedbot notice a bundle tx that got reorg'd out of main chain? [17:09]
ben_vulpes 0K, i mean. [17:09]
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ben_vulpes eg 'fully annealed' [17:09]
asciilifeform l0l [17:09]
* mod6 ribs trinque a bit :D [17:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: actually don't be so sure. it is almost certainly possible to shorten it. [17:10]
ben_vulpes call it 3K then. [17:10]
asciilifeform approximately. [17:10]
phf ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.' << i am equally confused by this position. non serviam doesn't necessarily need to translate to its extreme expression. if you're that figured out how to push the lever, i think the last option that you can possibly have is to keep pushing the lever for others. once you accept it to its logical conclusion, are you not free to do as you please? [17:10]
trinque mod6: I LIKE GREEN OK? [17:10]
trinque lol [17:10]
phf *that monkey [17:10]
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asciilifeform phf: mircea_popescu seems to suggest that if korolev, etc. were real men, they would have killed themselves instead of serving the hated master. [17:11]
mod6 lol, the css 'solid green', appears slightly different tone than 0x00FF00 on thebitcoin.foundation, or is it just my eldery eyes? [17:11]
phf sure, korolev was tested by that limit, and i'm not in his position, so i can't say "сука буду i've offed myself", but when the choice is between doing csv and sexp for a customer.. [17:12]
asciilifeform it is almost always more like csv vs sexp. [17:12]
mod6 anyway, not that it need be the same. just curious. [17:12]
asciilifeform at least, at individual steps of the way. [17:12]
asciilifeform and it also turns out that for some reason the folks who are very excellent at non serviam - don't program. (napoleon's work in geometry notwithstanding...) [17:13]
asciilifeform for instance, iirc mircea_popescu was also pretty handy at mathematics as a young man. but notice that we do not come here to learn mathematics from him. [17:14]
asciilifeform but instead other things. [17:15]
ben_vulpes i do not get the 'non serviam' routine. we all serve the khan. [17:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the correct setting for the gedankenexperiment is 'serve usg or take the cyanide' [17:16]
asciilifeform or, more appropriately to the case at hand, 'program pc or don't program' [17:16]
ben_vulpes phf: holy hell it runs [17:16]
phf :> [17:17]
asciilifeform what runs..? [17:17]
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asciilifeform i suspect that folks who are child prodigies at programming people (esp. programming the female of the species) do not usually end up having the patience to seriously deal with machines [17:19]
asciilifeform considering how the latter is almost inescapably a less-rewarding affair than the former [17:19]
asciilifeform one does not become an artisan 'from a good life', as some kind of voluntary choice, imho [17:20]
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asciilifeform erwin schrodinger, famously, did his physics almost as just a thing to fill the time between random fucks. but he was not enough 'non serviam' nietzschean superman to avoid sucking hitler's cock (unsuccessfully !!) and having to run for his life [17:24]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-05-2015#1145721 << thread [17:24]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 17:45:33; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english. [17:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @#64; 0.00071112 = 8.0712 BTC [-] [17:24]
phf bakunin has equally shameful confessions written to nicholas i [17:27]
asciilifeform phf: iirc this began as a thread about r. ulbricht's shameful plea for mercy to the judge [17:27]
phf ah [17:27]
phf well, in the case ulbricht his plea was dumb, the point which you guys consistently drive in other cases [17:29]
asciilifeform there is a long history of tales re: folks having conversations with (personified) Death, and asking her 'not now, why me, ...' etc [17:30]
asciilifeform i see the ulbricht plea, and schrodinger's, etc. as similar [17:30]
asciilifeform rather than any kind of rational undertaking [17:30]
phf right, also same point at which aaronsw chose to off himself [17:31]
asciilifeform it is why the fact that (in american courts) the plea never really ~works~ does not affect its popularity [17:31]
asciilifeform it is just something people ~do~, like the boyars impaled by ivan iv famously screaming 'god save the tsar' as their arses stretched [17:32]
phf no atheists in foxholes and all that [17:33]
asciilifeform since we're on the subject, i do not regard it as a proven fact that schwartz tied the rope by himself [17:35]
gernika !rate phf 2 got Eulora working on McOs [17:43]
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mircea_popescu !rated gernika [17:45]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform can you measure exactly how much it is impacted ? [17:45]
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mod6 ;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? [17:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i read it b4. iirc we had it in chan even [17:50]
mod6 ;;later tell punkman You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? [17:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:53]
mod6 ;;later tell jurov You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? [17:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:53]
mod6 <--- bad memory [17:53]
mod6 ah. ok. np. thanks! [17:54]
mod6 how's it goin anywya? [17:54]
punkman mod6: I tested stator on Mint. didn't leave it running for full sync though [17:55]
mod6 punkman: hey! glad i asked. thanks :] [17:56]
mod6 i guess i do remember this now. [17:56]
mod6 chettty & mircea_popescu: btw, eulora seems to be functioning well since changes. although, i don't use any automation in there. just good ole hard rock minin' by hand. with a mule^H^H^H^Himproved pickaxe. [17:57]
mod6 punkman: any specfic version of mint? [17:58]
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trinque punkman: I have not handled that case. As I understand it, transactions would then go back into the mempool for inclusion in a subsequent block. [18:05]
trinque I could run over all previous records at some long-ish interval and see whether that occurred, update db accordingly. [18:06]
mod6 ;;later tell danielpbarron You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? [18:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:07]
punkman mod6: mint 13-14 or so [18:07]
mod6 jaja [18:07]
danielpbarron i made a binary but i didn't execute it [18:08]
mod6 i'll put that in there. "Linux Mint, 13-14ish." :P [18:08]
mod6 danielpbarron: still have it? try to fire it up see if it it rotates. [18:08]
trinque mine rotates nicely [18:09]
trinque with the LC_ALL=C [18:09]
mod6 yup, that's required on every system that i've encountered when built with the `rotor'. [18:10]
danielpbarron what does it mean to rotate? [18:10]
mod6 just see if you can get it to start up and sync some blox [18:10]
danielpbarron Bitcoin version 0.5.4-beta << I'm currently running this, made with the rotor instructions [18:11]
mod6 this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &` [18:11]
danielpbarron and it is up to height=281399 [18:11]
mod6 ah, ok. was it a handrolled build or stator? [18:12]
danielpbarron stator [18:12]
punkman anyone try the final debug_sanity_part1 patch? [18:12]
mod6 but built with rotor, cool. what OS? [18:12]
danielpbarron gentoo made with trinque's script [18:12]
mod6 punkman: naw, i haevn't had a chance yet. i'll get to it though, it's on my list. [18:12]
mod6 danielpbarron: ah neat. kthx [18:12]
punkman I might work on part2 this week [18:13]
mod6 punkman: ah, cool. [18:13]
punkman also thinking of making a fork that doesn't mine/wallet [18:13]
trinque mod6: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-08-29-20-01-42.txt [18:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fNQsUw ) [18:17]
* mod6 looks [18:18]
mod6 ah, gravy, thanks. [18:18]
trinque np [18:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256010 << if you specify what exactly ought to be measured, i might be able to do it [18:24]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 20:43:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you measure exactly how much it is impacted ? [18:24]
asciilifeform recall that we don't exactly have a deterministic system here. [18:24]
asciilifeform or even a quantifiably-stochastic one [18:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256042 << please see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255123 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255874 [18:26]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 21:09:21; mod6: this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &` [18:26]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 02:22:08; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me. [18:26]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 19:48:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...! [18:26]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap is a quad-core machine. current 'werker' (phuctor) uses strictly a single core, at the maximum. but what is happening appears to be bus cycle starvation (shared cores share a cache; and at any rate all processes share a single ram bus) [18:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:29]
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punkman why shit where phuctor eats? [18:31]
asciilifeform punkman: because hosting is very expensive. [18:31]
asciilifeform and neither phuctor nor therealbitcoin bring in any revenue [18:31]
asciilifeform phuctor and the node are run as a public service. [18:32]
asciilifeform for no especially good reason other than that i felt like it, and mircea_popescu saw it fit to supply a machine (via subcontractor) out of his own (for now) pocket [18:32]
asciilifeform this is YET AGAIN the 'can't charge for sunlight' thing !! [18:33]
asciilifeform there is no way in heaven or hell that either of those things could ever pay for itself. [18:33]
asciilifeform kinda like a lighthouse. [18:33]
asciilifeform can't exactly charge the ships, for the light. [18:33]
trinque seems science requires a patron, or at least greatly benefits from one. [18:34]
asciilifeform if mircea_popescu had not donated the cpu cycles, the thing would still be sitting on aws and being essentially useless [18:35]
asciilifeform i, on the other hand, donated my spare time, of which i don't actually have very much. [18:36]
asciilifeform (contrary to what some may think.) [18:36]
asciilifeform (not all spare time is created equal. i'm both free from paying work AND awake enough to program, for perhaps a few hours a month!) [18:36]
* asciilifeform fantasizes about 'sleep ad libitum' for a reason. he has a ~26 hour circadian rhythm. [18:37]
asciilifeform punkman: since you asked, it also doesn't hurt to point out that both phuctor and the node MUST HAVE reasonably-cpu-and-ram-rich PHYSICAL machine. [18:39]
asciilifeform no virtualized crapolade. [18:39]
asciilifeform experimentally demonstrated that neither runs ADEQUATELY (much less with any degree of trust!) without this condition being met. [18:39]
asciilifeform in fact, phuctor is presently NOT getting enough oxygen to live, as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255136 [18:40]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 02:47:55; mircea_popescu: i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing [18:40]
asciilifeform it really needs a box with internal battery backup and ~30 minute hardware warning on powerfail. [18:40]
asciilifeform that or a civilized data center with battery AND diesel [18:41]
trinque ^ that point about the kids these days and rebooting, bleh. no kidding. [18:41]
asciilifeform all of this could be had, but FOR A PRICE [18:41]
asciilifeform and the budget is approx. $0. [18:41]
trinque oh ruby just leaks memory, of course it does [18:41]
asciilifeform see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255140 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255141 [18:42]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 02:48:54; mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting [18:42]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 02:49:45; asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably [18:42]
trinque yeah, you want a ton of fast RAM, I'd assume, and not want to be writing to disk constantly [18:43]
asciilifeform understand, the running-product is an integer, presently ~1GByte in size. [18:43]
mircea_popescu cool mod6 [18:43]
asciilifeform it changes ENTIRELY every single time a modulus is processed ! [18:43]
mircea_popescu meanwhile grass is desperately needed. [18:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "how much cpu does it have available while floating 50 blocks behind" [18:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: strictly cpu cycles? the answer depends on whether anyone is querying the db [18:44]
asciilifeform hence, from 75% to 0 [18:44]
mircea_popescu i dunno what the proper item to measure is. [18:46]
mircea_popescu perhaps it actually is l1 cache access [18:46]
mircea_popescu but in no small part (to answer punkman's q) this experiment is interesting to me specifically to see how well things do in cramped spaces. [18:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also im pretty sure power didn't actually fail. derpy kids doing things to fix things etc. [18:47]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/Z6OcuYW4b2iz2k4ombFqz30P_1280.jpg [18:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnWegu ) [18:49]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256109 << what exactly is meant by this ?? [18:57]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 21:45:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also im pretty sure power didn't actually fail. derpy kids doing things to fix things etc. [18:57]
asciilifeform all i know is that the fucking box lost mains power. [18:57]
asciilifeform whether because devils pulled cable out of my box individually, or whole rack, or entire warehouse - i cannot know [18:57]
mircea_popescu mmm i thought it was rebooted. [18:58]
asciilifeform there is no way to do this cleanly without root pw. [18:59]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [18:59]
mircea_popescu kvm [18:59]
asciilifeform Tue Aug 25 23:17 - crash (2+16:29) [18:59]
asciilifeform reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Fri Aug 28 15:47 - 18:00 (1+02:12) [19:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256108 << empirically, it does very poorly. though, interestingly, i am reading the log now and may have discovered another force at work [19:01]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 21:44:26; mircea_popescu: but in no small part (to answer punkman's q) this experiment is interesting to me specifically to see how well things do in cramped spaces. [19:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: node often fails to process incoming messages in a timely manner, at heavy load, and possibly ends up shitlisted [19:01]
asciilifeform this is an entirely separate kind of resource starvation from 'takes too long to verify blocks' [19:02]
asciilifeform essentially the node ddos issue was never really solved [19:02]
asciilifeform only swept under carpet [19:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not kvm either!!! [19:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: still need the root login to CLEANLY reboot the machine [19:03]
asciilifeform and you will notice that no such thing happened [19:03]
asciilifeform 'crash' means that there was no proper shutdown. [19:03]
asciilifeform this means one of two things: a) thermal breaker b) mains current lost [19:04]
mod6 ive got grass [19:06]
mod6 lemme check the horde [19:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nothing suggestive of thermal overload in the logs, either [19:06]
asciilifeform (thing does appear to have sensors) [19:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps you understand now why the alarm. there is NO LEGIT REASON for that thing to ever cycle. [19:07]
jurov or case resonates with passing trains [19:08]
jurov (happened irl) [19:08]
asciilifeform many things happened irl. [19:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that if it were somehow the case that trilema goes down for weeks-to-a-month every time it loses power, it would also lose power with some regularity... [19:09]
asciilifeform monkeys will try to pull out the cable, and the only solution is a man with an axe standing there and chopping their hands off, every time. [19:10]
asciilifeform i am reminded of the old thread re: mpex disk drives. [19:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even if you were speaking of the kind of kvm which has a power relay, it remains to be asked WHAT KIND OF TARD would flip the relay on a customer's box without written permission [19:14]
asciilifeform it is only by a stroke of luck that therealbitcoin did not perma-wedge from corrupt db, also. [19:15]
asciilifeform ^ and this may even have been the objective of the switch-flipping monkey [19:15]
asciilifeform if this were a project with an actual budget, and the machine were colocated, i would include a lithium-cell-powered MAINS LOGGER in there. and then WELD IT SHUT with own hands [19:16]
asciilifeform as it is, it eats table scraps, yes. [19:17]
jurov !s bisp [19:17]
assbot 11 results for 'bisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bisp [19:17]
asciilifeform jurov: this ~was~ the inaugural 'bisp' machine, recall. [19:18]
jurov yea, was going to write that exactly [19:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is paying somebody a pretty penny for that thing. and i am coming to think that he is getting scammed. [19:19]
asciilifeform i'm not really getting scammed because i personally did not pay. [19:19]
asciilifeform gift horse. [19:19]
asciilifeform but the legs are coming off this horse. [19:20]
asciilifeform and every time i 'park' it, when i come back its starfish is full of boulders [19:20]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255663 << see Bill Gosper [19:22]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 18:28:39; mircea_popescu: greatness doens't get to skip a generation./ [19:22]
gabriel_laddel Norm Hardy [19:23]
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mircea_popescu i only swept under carpet << of course. [19:46]
mircea_popescu the nsa approach to software issues is not "how can we fix this" but "how can we pretend this is fixed while really we can just keep it in sleeve for later because you never know". fnargl through and through. [19:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes well i have nobody with an axe to ship there rightnao [19:48]
mircea_popescu and i don't think i've not gotten scammed for any item i bought or service i hired since at least 1875. [19:48]
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mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel o hey there. how's life in [19:49]
mircea_popescu masamuneland [19:49]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The economics of sinking Garzikcoin aka BIP 100. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/29/the-economics-of-sinking-garzikcoin-aka-bip-100/ [20:08]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I work a lot but have a new crush. 5/10? [20:17]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: how is Ar? [20:17]
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gabriel_laddel !up shovel_boss [20:29]
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gabriel_laddel !up moonpunter [20:29]
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shovel_boss thanks for nothing [20:29]
shovel_boss this register and login system with your bot sucks [20:30]
shovel_boss fuck off [20:30]
gabriel_laddel !down shovel_boss [20:30]
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mircea_popescu pretty stupid. [20:30]
mircea_popescu lol [20:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2l55tijZV77jJrO_1280.jpg [20:31]
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gabriel_laddel ewww troglodyte photobomb [20:32]
mircea_popescu waitwut [20:32]
gabriel_laddel troglodyte male in the background ruins photo :/ [20:32]
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mircea_popescu o.O [20:33]
mircea_popescu it's just some dude... [20:33]
gabriel_laddel but his face! [20:33]
mircea_popescu not like you HAVE TO fuck EVERYONE in the pic [20:34]
moonpunter ya'll cray [20:34]
gabriel_laddel ;; ud cray [20:34]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cray | cray. Another word for crazy. An abbreviation that you can use to describe a crazy person. That one cray bitch. She be cray. Why are you acting so cray? [20:34]
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moonpunter gribble's always doing stuff. [20:34]
gabriel_laddel GODDAMNIT MP HOW IS ARGENTINA [20:35]
gabriel_laddel moonpunter: also what [20:35]
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mircea_popescu pretty stupid. << [20:35]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: more specifically, I'd love to hear more about the justice system some time [20:36]
mircea_popescu pretty much a copy of the 1996 ru justice system. [20:36]
mircea_popescu overdrawn but unenforceable "rights" of the common man, endless trials, complete disjunction between law and commerce, the works. [20:37]
gabriel_laddel Do you have a database of all the judges, the lawyers who frequent their courts etc? [20:37]
gabriel_laddel or is such a thing for sale [20:38]
mircea_popescu and a deeply ignorant population which imagines its vague notions of ethics and fairness are worth two shits, mostly through being so useless and inept that they never get to check said in any sort of practice. [20:38]
mircea_popescu such a thing is not for sale past what you get publicly anyway, the bar has a list. [20:38]
moonpunter never understood the "commoner" paradigm. what is this a magic deck? if so, i'm a ltd. ed. rare holofoil, bitches. [20:38]
gabriel_laddel !down moonpunter [20:38]
gabriel_laddel read the logs? [20:39]
mircea_popescu moonpunter pretty much anyone not in a liberal [20:39]
mircea_popescu profession or otherwise indepedently rich = commoner [20:39]
mircea_popescu in a generous reading, students and other tramps are somehow in a liberal profession. [20:39]
moonpunter eh. i think your life is defined by your achievements. nothing against those with a lot, nothing against those with nothing. nothing against helping others by choice. etc. i just don't feel strongly about any of it. spend too much time selfishly focusing on my own life, i thinks. [20:40]
mircea_popescu achievements start with the first one. [20:40]
mircea_popescu which is, economic independence. [20:40]
mircea_popescu there are no prior achievements to that [20:40]
mircea_popescu and in other news, boxes! http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2hul9b89WgiGz3Z_1280.jpg [20:41]
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trinque rather artistic, that one. I like it [20:45]
trinque gabriel_laddel: in porn, do not fear the penis [20:45]
trinque moonpunter: whatsamatta with selfishness? [20:45]
gabriel_laddel trinque: lol, no fear - it just turns me off. [20:45]
gabriel_laddel I've a thing for faces. [20:45]
gabriel_laddel trinque: how goes btw [20:45]
trinque not bad at all; prepping a move back to Texas, enjoying life [20:46]
trinque yourself? [20:46]
gabriel_laddel trinque: it's in the logs, but work mostly. [20:47]
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pete_dushenski i have returned ! [20:49]
gabriel_laddel hola [20:49]
trinque good afternoon [20:49]
pete_dushenski thanks to all for the well wishes :) [20:49]
pete_dushenski i've been mostly keeping up on the logs [20:50]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256216 << indubitably. wouldn't mind reading a trilema on this basis. [20:51]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 23:38:33; mircea_popescu: achievements start with the first one. [20:51]
mircea_popescu it's really unfortunate they don't do presentation anymore. [20:52]
pete_dushenski i'm not sure i've been economically independent quite long enough to pen this myself [20:52]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu presentation ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu i guess there's the texas dip for girls "of society" which means ~jack anymore, and i suppose they still do bar mitzvah in some households but srsly... [20:52]
pete_dushenski oh you mean like 'baby naming ceremony' [20:52]
trinque sounds more like coming of age. [20:53]
pete_dushenski aha [20:53]
trinque "we're going to begin expecting adult things of you now. act like it." [20:53]
pete_dushenski 'sweet 16' [20:53]
mircea_popescu no i mean like, "here is this worm that came out of my wife. turns out it actually is a person!" [20:53]
mircea_popescu as in, presentation of the thing to the forum. [20:53]
pete_dushenski 'brit milah' [20:54]
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gabriel_laddel America is two generations too late for that [20:54]
mircea_popescu kinda degenerated into the french bacalaureat, which meanwhile became a "right" dontchaknow [20:54]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg [20:54]
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trinque lewd [20:55]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well, a blog post ~on your own blog~ is pretty much as good as it gets atm [20:56]
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pete_dushenski we have a short little 'brit milah' tmrw at the synagogue for meatwot (but no briss planned) [20:57]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [20:57]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.2, Best ask: 230.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 230.39, 24 hour volume: 10095.17439433, 24 hour low: 227.16, 24 hour high: 234.03, 24 hour vwap: None [20:57]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256251 <<< to this, i raise https://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/geoduck.jpg [20:57]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 23:52:36; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg [20:57]
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gabriel_laddel http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/geoduck.jpg << Al wins. Again. [20:58]
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asciilifeform famous! [20:58]
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asciilifeform http://www.starvinmarvinswholesale.com/store/images/P/geoduct.JPG [20:58]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell bingoboingo no real opinion of lifted minitrucks. lifting isn't really my thing, per se. but i can see the appeal. [20:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:58]
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trinque and people use "natural" like it's a positive thing... [20:59]
gabriel_laddel and here I was under the impression stas didn't like penis. [20:59]
trinque lol [20:59]
pete_dushenski people change [21:00]
pete_dushenski !b 3 [21:00]
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asciilifeform don't have to like liver, to use it [21:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256165 << i think 'later' might be 'now' [21:01]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:08; mircea_popescu: the nsa approach to software issues is not "how can we fix this" but "how can we pretend this is fixed while really we can just keep it in sleeve for later because you never know". fnargl through and through. [21:01]
asciilifeform hanbot: strangely, i liked it as a boy, but no longer.. [21:01]
asciilifeform odd how food works [21:01]
pete_dushenski indeed. [21:02]
pete_dushenski i ate smoked salmon exlusively for first 3 years, then not again for another 25 [21:02]
* trinque now considers that the dick-clam is probably delicious. [21:06]
trinque just more clam mantle, right? [21:06]
trinque http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/10/the-nasty-bits-geoduck-how-to-cook-recipe.html << sounds so [21:07]
assbot The Nasty Bits: Geoduck | Serious Eats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku88RT ) [21:07]
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mircea_popescu argentina is weird #89546 : the best cognac thing they have here (reserva san juan) retails (IN THE STORE!) for like 80 pesos a bottle. [21:28]
mircea_popescu about 5 bux. [21:28]
mircea_popescu which makes it "cheap" so no fucking bar ever carries it [21:28]
mircea_popescu they carry all the fucktarded imported us shit i wouldn't pour in my drain. beefeather ? srsly ? to what, kill lice with ? [21:28]
mircea_popescu they got badly faked mumm, they don't got the local stuff. and god fucking forbid i ask for the best rum in the world (centenario anejo especial) because they don't import it from nearby costa rica [21:29]
mircea_popescu they gotta import fucking what's that shit called, captain wedgepants [21:29]
mircea_popescu blergh. [21:29]
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mircea_popescu and now in our "the greatness of the atomic family" series, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2fu8lmtQYQqvbcw_1280.jpg [21:34]
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gabriel_laddel "god fucking forbid i ask for the best rum in the world (centenario anejo especial) because they don't import it from nearby costa rica" << lol [21:35]
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pete_dushenski spiced 'captain wedgepants' and diet coke is a popular drink in these parts. with men ! [21:39]
pete_dushenski don't ask me how [21:39]
pete_dushenski might be related to 'truck nutz' [21:40]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv2eg33gaji6PkUvx_400.jpg << back when the libertards cared. because bush! [21:40]
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pete_dushenski !s truck nutz [21:40]
assbot 0 results for 'truck nutz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=truck+nutz [21:40]
pete_dushenski !s truck nuts [21:40]
assbot 0 results for 'truck nuts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=truck+nuts [21:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, to be fair actual cuban havana club is very good. but so often counterfeit... [21:40]
pete_dushenski https://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nuts-500-truck-nutz-hooterswtmk.jpg [21:40]
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pete_dushenski sikorsky sea king helicopter for gw ? sounds ruskie (yes, i know it isn't) [21:42]
pete_dushenski well, sikorsky aircraft is only as 'american' as chevrolet [21:43]
pete_dushenski who, yes, was swiss-born [21:43]
mircea_popescu pretty much the only nato maker of heavy helicopters that actuallyfly [21:43]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/29/planes-trains-automobiles-and-atomic-dirigibles-der-schweiz/ << re chevy [21:44]
assbot Planes, trains, und atomic dirigibles der Schweiz. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0o7fq ) [21:44]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey [21:44]
pete_dushenski which makes f-35 program look like challenger [21:44]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256310 << inventor of modern helicopter. as american as fucking ayn rand. [21:58]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2015 00:40:20; pete_dushenski: sikorsky sea king helicopter for gw ? sounds ruskie (yes, i know it isn't) [21:58]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256316 << i saw a working 'osprey' for the first time a few weeks ago. my first thought was 'wish i weren't stuck in traffic under that thing' [21:59]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2015 00:42:33; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey [21:59]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform define 'working' [22:05]
asciilifeform flying low enough to be identified for what it is; did not fall down (at least not where i could see it...) [22:09]
asciilifeform though iirc the bug in these things typically shows itself when the propellers flip [22:09]
asciilifeform http://www.aviastar.org/foto/bvertol_osprey_1.jpg << it [22:10]
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asciilifeform http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/bellboeing_v_22_osprey.jpg << turning [22:10]
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asciilifeform http://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/20/us/SUB-JP-OSPREY/SUB-JP-OSPREY-articleLarge.jpg << turned. [22:10]
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asciilifeform http://gizmodo.com/the-president-gets-a-personal-osprey-hes-not-allowed-t-1108783801 << relevant, lulzy [22:11]
assbot The President Gets a Personal Osprey He's Not Allowed to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0pg6M ) [22:11]
asciilifeform 'The aircraft is manned by a crew of four—pilot, copilot and two flight engineers—and can carry as many as 32 troops or 20,000 pounds of cargo. Or, in the case of the President's jaunt to Martha's Vineyard last Saturday, a contingent of White House staffers, journalists, and Bo, the president's pooch. But not the president himself. No way, he's not allowed anywhere near this thing.' [22:12]
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asciilifeform 'But while they're definitely (relatively) safer than the early versions, the Osprey is still not safe enough to entrust with the leader of the free world's life. As such, the presidential Osprey has not yet been designated a "white top," meaning President Obama is not allowed on board, but is currently undergoing further reliability testing. There's no word on when that will be completed, so for now, it will serve as a $67 mi [22:13]
asciilifeform llion pet carrier.' [22:13]
trinque The situation wasn't helped any when the program's senior officer, Lt. Col. Odin Lieberman, was relieved of command after an internal investigation discovered that he had instructed his team to falsify records to make the Osprey look safer than they actually were. << heh, he expected that this wouldn't become apparent? [22:13]
asciilifeform this at least begins to explain where that machine was going. [22:13]
asciilifeform i did not expect to see it from a traffic jam below d.c. [22:13]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/LyJX520Sx2ctqo1b0Xxx6cCT_500.jpg << native tsa. [22:15]
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asciilifeform lol is that gavin ?! [22:16]
mircea_popescu his younger, better hung brothar. [22:16]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/wpb4YsvWL2bhteoknr0erUnj_500.jpg [22:18]
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asciilifeform ^^ ???? [22:18]
asciilifeform was this dropped over vietnam or where [22:19]
mircea_popescu nah, short circulation west coast [22:19]
asciilifeform lulzy [22:19]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256166 << even if you did, the point i was trying to make is that we have right now this risky situation where running a proper honest node actually costs serious dough, and it is not clear that this cost can ever be recoverable [22:22]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes well i have nobody with an axe to ship there rightnao [22:22]
mircea_popescu dubious if recoverable. [22:22]
mircea_popescu myeah [22:22]
asciilifeform it is quite conceivable that a node can only be run for the abstract imperial glory of something else, something very lucrative [22:22]
asciilifeform and it is not clear to me that there is enough of this to go around [22:23]
asciilifeform (in the sense of supporting a healthy network) [22:23]
asciilifeform and this is without any megablox idiocy ! [22:24]
asciilifeform old-fashioned proper bitcoin. [22:24]
asciilifeform so what we have going is something like this, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255291 [22:25]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2015 13:58:47; mircea_popescu: here's what i propose : paul graham eat 500 calories for every 1k calories he expends. [22:25]
asciilifeform call it an energy leak, in the sense of 'memory leak.' [22:25]
asciilifeform in the sense that the folks paying for it are not getting anything like their money's worth. and yes, this is true for many activities, from fixing old cars to raising children; [22:26]
asciilifeform but they work so long as they fit within 'hobbyist' budget, and the results pass some minimal bar [22:27]
asciilifeform running an honest public node is expensive. far more than i realized. and will be getting more so. [22:27]
asciilifeform as attacks of every conceivable kind ramp up. [22:27]
asciilifeform mains cables will (are!) be mysteriously yanked; fiber - cut [22:28]
asciilifeform contracts terminated on technicalities [22:28]
asciilifeform etc. [22:28]
asciilifeform plus many, many 'cosmic rays'. [22:28]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778143 << see thread. turns out, a server is a fortress... [22:29]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2014 14:09:33; mircea_popescu: all the other atms in the world are inside an invisible fortress. [22:29]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#777630 << start of thread [22:30]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2014 03:06:22; mircea_popescu: specifically : an atm requires a fortress. we have not yet built the fortress. when we do, you will know we have, because i will kidnap a number of "world leaders" wives and daughters to be publicly raped there as to make the fucking point that in fact it IS a fortress. [22:30]
trinque heh, brave new books. [22:31]
trinque that's austin [22:31]
trinque alex jones central, it is [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14753 @#64; 0.00070245 = 10.3632 BTC [-] {3} [22:31]
asciilifeform and there are people working on making running a node 10,000+ times more expensive.... [22:37]
asciilifeform (and will try to make it look cheaper by selective vandalism of folks who do not go along. algo used by all states at all times.) [22:38]
asciilifeform it is telling that, of my three therealbitcoin nodes, the only one which has not suffered an unexplained malfunction of any kind is the one which is where i can personally see it !! [22:39]
asciilifeform (zoolag) [22:40]
asciilifeform has never fallen behind, spontaneously, by so much as one block (the one notable exception was the day when the db locks thing wedged ~every~ honest node) [22:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @#64; 0.00069444 = 27.5345 BTC [-] {3} [22:59]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform atm node seems more akin to soda fountain [23:17]
mircea_popescu you run that in your teenage hoisiery shop because that's what the teenage hussies want. [23:17]
* mircea_popescu also wants to introduce by reference the discussion of "for honor" and slavegirks [23:19]
mircea_popescu but in any case : it's not clear we can't stick it in pogo. so... there is that. [23:20]
mircea_popescu of course, the people trying to get that to work (davout, jurov, etc) aren't getting that much support yet. [23:21]
mircea_popescu but i reckon the whole shebang "here, do this this this" list is getting closer. [23:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the principal item missing is a sane txpool [23:21]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:21]
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asciilifeform everything else is purely a matter of rebuilding as per my original recipe, but rotorized. [23:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4234 @#64; 0.00070936 = 3.0034 BTC [+] [23:22]
asciilifeform now that libc is shot in the head, it builds ~and~ runs. [23:22]
asciilifeform but the 'infinite pile of tx until fills ram' is a no-go; [23:23]
asciilifeform and the store-block-index-in-ram-at-all-times is also a no-go. [23:23]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << as displayed here. [23:24]
assbot [BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH ) [23:24]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/referenced_b2510447257f2b623fcf30cc4f0413a23f515b60.png << see this. [23:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmD5t ) [23:24]
asciilifeform ~300 byte per block. [23:25]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me, at this juncture, that a network consisting ~largely of~ items like pogos could function under sustained load [23:26]
mircea_popescu define network, function and load. [23:27]
asciilifeform network - bitcoin. function - propagate blocks, transactions, as traditionally expected. load - sustained attack from every usg orc on the fucking planet, plus legitimate users. [23:27]
mircea_popescu network in terms of nodecount, function in terms of maximal packet loss you admit and load in terms of saturation. [23:28]
mircea_popescu you know, like the internet., [23:28]
asciilifeform saturation presumably 100% [23:28]
mircea_popescu not like this shiot's either novel or uncalculable. [23:28]
asciilifeform there is also the part where a half-arsed node, when feeding a miner, leads to orphaning and going broke [23:30]
asciilifeform (not today, when there is 25btc 'on the sidewalk' - but tomorrow, when there is not) [23:31]
mircea_popescu im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine. [23:31]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/LyJX520Sx23v8c038OjmriTH_500.jpg [23:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnpiY ) [23:32]
asciilifeform ew [23:32]
asciilifeform what's next, copro? [23:32]
mircea_popescu no penis! [23:32]
asciilifeform whole thing is a penis. [23:33]
asciilifeform like geoduck. [23:33]
mircea_popescu haha [23:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256413 << therein lies the boojum. implemented by whom? when ? [23:33]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2015 02:29:22; mircea_popescu: im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine. [23:33]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/jH8nCgt1J23ag8jgoPZeDjoT_500.jpg [23:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnC5D ) [23:34]
mircea_popescu dun worry so much bout that part. [23:34]
asciilifeform 'freedom bricks' << l0l!! [23:34]
asciilifeform gold. [23:34]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/3HWhJ1T6f22zl4wwG4IGMNLw_500.jpg [23:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnIu9 ) [23:35]
mircea_popescu see below for kit. [23:35]
asciilifeform gotta love the key lock [23:35]
mircea_popescu aha [23:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @#64; 0.00070936 = 11.1724 BTC [+] [23:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256426 << why, are you gonna do it? because thus far every single bit that involved serious surgery on therealbitcoin just sorta sat there until i did it. [23:39]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2015 02:32:10; mircea_popescu: dun worry so much bout that part. [23:39]
asciilifeform i would ~like~ for this to change, yes [23:39]
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asciilifeform this thing ~will~ have to work without my pushing it, if only after i am shot - which, for all i know, could be scheduled for monday [23:44]
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