Forum logs for 31 May 2018
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that most of what's in mine, would be of very little help to folx who hadn't spent past 20y getting musclememoried to it | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | maybe 10% or so, worth publishing/vtreeing | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | ( supposing we even want to perpetuate emacsism... ) | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | good chunk of it, has obvious, screaming dysfunctions that i never found satisfactory cures for, and learned to live with. | [00:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | this conversation is starting to veer most dildoesque. | [00:20] |
| asciilifeform: | really not a work of high art that asciilifeform is particularly proud of. | [00:20] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [00:21] |
| asciilifeform: | i was thinking moar along the lines of prosthetic limbs | [00:21] |
| asciilifeform: | but dildo, wainot. | [00:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | if not prosthetic limb, what is a dildo. | [00:21] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly it is actually better to teach small children to smoke, than to teach new people emacs. | [00:24] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819960 <-- dunno why I was convinced that they go up to 4GB. would be quite disappointing otherwise, yes. /me is waiting for official release. | [04:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-30 21:18 asciilifeform: spyked: 1G of ram. weak. | [04:20] |
| ave1: | spyked, one module has a 4GB eMMC flash | [05:03] |
| spyked: | hm. yes, that might have been what got me confused | [05:07] |
| spyked: | dun dun dun | [05:17] |
| ave1: | the bot is using a list of OTPs? | [05:20] |
| spyked: | ave1, yep. the process is not refined yet (getting the encrypted OTPs from deedbot is a tad irksome, gotta sift through cl-irc messages), but getting there. | [05:32] |
| ave1: | very cool | [05:44] |
| spyked: | hm. this extra +v wasn't supposed to occur. brb. | [06:04] |
| spyked: | apologies again for the noise. should be alright now. | [06:08] |
| asciilifeform: | BreakingRae -> unbrokenRae -> UnbreakableRae -> unbrokenRae << lol | [09:51] |
| mod6: | mornin | [10:03] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai mod6 | [10:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | Buenos dias | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | hola BingoBoingo | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: didja find a usable flat ? | [10:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Found a strong candidate | [10:56] |
| asciilifeform: | neato | [10:57] |
| asciilifeform: | haggling over price nao ? | [10:57] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Herding Latinos to determine what exactly needs to be done to who | [10:57] |
| asciilifeform: | aa | [11:00] |
| mod6: | ah, cool | [11:00] |
| asciilifeform: | in other potential finds, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-05-03 << d00d claims to have clean uboot for c101pa . no complete srcball posted tho, as far as i was able to find, yet | [11:01] |
| asciilifeform: | or possibly i misread and it was the easier c201. | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | but theoretically should port, same chipset. | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll be visiting a radio-dark zone today, so cya all tomorrow! | [11:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | Enjoy | [11:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: give my regards to the ocelots | [11:33] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa . | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | phf ^ | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/adios-o-la-bifurcacion.html << in other noose. | [12:21] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up timella | [12:41] |
| deedbot: | timella voiced for 30 minutes. | [12:41] |
| lobbes: | shinohai embarking on man-alone adventures eh? | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | lobbes: imho better like this ( or for that matter, like, e.g., cazalla , in the past ) than to silently vanish | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | until/unless d00d is found to be consorting with enemy or whatever misdeed -- i recommend to see his retirement as a honourable discharge. | [14:28] |
| trinque: | it'd be pointlessly wasteful to say falling out of lordship is the end of all productive life. | [14:53] |
| mod6: | agree | [14:54] |
| mod6: | One does not require lordship to mearly participate. | [14:55] |
| trinque: | esthlos here just cranked out a mighty fine vtron without a fancy hat | [14:56] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2TGf0/?raw=true | [15:17] |
| deedbot: | accepted: 1 | [15:17] |
| lobbes: | asciilifeform: Ftr, my original !!unrate of shinohai was reflective of the fact that I could not at the time discern if he was coming/going/passive-aggressively-whatevering. When I return to my key I'll rate the guy positively as this satisfies my earlier stated criteria of "there are ways to gracefully exit while preserving reputation" | [15:18] |
| lobbes: | And indeed, as per that trilema, titles (i.e. lordship) are merely pointers for convenience | [15:19] |
| deedbot: | http://deedbot.org/bundle-525331.txt | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai's blog looks slick and I wish him all the best but his post reads to me as a full-blown collection of strawmen (what "consensus decided"? what is "official reason given" even supposed to mean exactly? etc) at most I can read it as a mistaken "if not a lord then not a member either" but an honest mistake is just about the most positive reading I can do of that thing | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | !!rated shinohai | [16:26] |
| deedbot: | diana_coman rated shinohai 1 at 2016/09/03 22:20:37 << Held many euloran noob hands. | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | that much is certainly true so my rating stands as it is | [16:27] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/05/populists-thwart-italian-president-candidate-for-finance-minister-found-who-hasnt-talk-about-leaving-eurozone-yet/ << Qntra - Populists Thwart Italian President Candidate For Finance Minister Found Who Hasn't Talk About Leaving Eurozone Yet | [17:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: talk -> talked ? | [17:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | ty fxd | [17:33] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative) | [17:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-31 03:22 esthlos: might as well ask: do you have a copy of naggum's emacs? | [17:39] |
| phf: | i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down | [17:40] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820052 << ah ty, is that boots, or with video/wifi/suspend? | [17:41] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-31 15:48 asciilifeform: in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa . | [17:41] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819488 << i vaguelly suspect that's something i need to do, but i don't know if i'm willing to go through the whole song and dance with american medical professionals (tm) to extract the medication out of them. might be easier to wait till my next trip to russia.. | [17:44] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-29 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819451 << and if not, try antibiotics. | [17:44] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: do what errybody else does, veterinary pharma. | [17:58] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820079 << currently, simply boots ( and runs, sans networking, but userland - gcc etc. -- work, and can emerge proggies from heathenos under chroot. ) the remaining iron is expected to work once i get a patched kernel (with baked-in mods) built. | [18:00] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-31 21:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820052 << ah ty, is that boots, or with video/wifi/suspend? | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820076 << supposing one could count it as part of emacs -- naggum's oddball kbd mappings are also known | [18:00] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-31 21:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative) | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform: | but afaik that's all. | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform: | the rest -- presumably went down with the ship. | [18:00] |
| phf: | right after his death his "estate" posted that the archives of naggum's work will be published "soon", outcome not surprising. i suspect somebody illiterate saw magic runes, decided that sits on lead to gold technology, "to be monetized when i retire" | [18:15] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: moar likely, some combo of simply leaving to gather dust, and throwing out | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | same thing that happens to most dead folx. | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | whatever the debt collectors didn't take. | [18:17] |
| phf: | there are bits and pieces of code in the usenet, i actually use one of naggum's functions extensively: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3115568738543631@naggum.no.html | [18:19] |
| phf: | (it's all the way in the end/signature) | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally phf , the keeper of ^ archive never answered asciilifeform's mail re providing a copy. so really oughta scrape it before it evaporates. | [18:20] |
| phf: | you mean copy of his renderer, or the original usenet messages? | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | messages. tho the renderer would be nice also. | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | can't exactly scrape the renderer tho. | [18:21] |
| phf: | http://data.xach.com.s3.amazonaws.com/cll.txt.gz http://data.xach.com.s3.amazonaws.com/naggum-articles.tgz | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | oh ha i missed this | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ty phf | [18:22] |
| asciilifeform: | ( where was this originally linked ? ) | [18:22] |
| phf: | https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/notes.html | [18:22] |
| asciilifeform: | somehow i missed. | [18:22] |
| phf: | he also describes a nifty indexing strategy on same page, that i was thinking of using for logs even (very early on) | [18:23] |
| phf: | (to clarify it's completely useless for logs, for obvious reasons, but it was so simple and lispy i thought it can be modified somehow) | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | something like what he describes, is unavoidable when data set gets to weigh enough, if you still want reasonable search times | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | kinda why phuctor doesn't have an arbitrary string search | [18:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i elementarily haven't the memory to make this work reasonably ) | [18:26] |
| phf: | right, the approach is sort of one step removed from naive brute force, and now you're paying with extra memory for the index | [18:27] |
| * phf | afk | [18:27] |
| asciilifeform: | in other... useful... links: http://natribu.org/en/ << multilingual! | [19:53] |
| danielpbarron: | !!v D814418CC2C6E0514157B897F842E5B34F765CA9C18DFE91A0E5133F339D63C0 | [19:56] |
| danielpbarron: | trinque, what am i doing wrong? ^ | [19:57] |
| trinque: | how bout a little more context there bud | [19:58] |
| danielpbarron: | trying to !!pay someone | [19:59] |
| trinque: | probably had the parameters reversed | [19:59] |
| danielpbarron: | it's pay nick amount ? no? | [20:00] |
| danielpbarron: | aha figured it out | [20:04] |
| danielpbarron: | caps matter on usernames | [20:04] |
| trinque: | correct | [20:04] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: out of curiosity, why ? ( any derp can register, e.g., Trinque, or Mircea_Popescu ? what's the point of permitting this..? ) | [20:05] |
| mod6: | Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-June/000301.html | [20:06] |
| trinque: | !!gettrust DeeDboT AsCIIliFEforM | [20:07] |
| deedbot: | L1: 1, L2: 10 by 10 connections. | [20:07] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: ^ it's just a wallet thing I haven't fixed yet | [20:07] |
| asciilifeform: | ah hm so not case-sensitive after all ? | [20:07] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaok | [20:07] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2018 Report | [20:21] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-31#366191 << You know, I was still going to rate you positively on the basis of your service to the republic, but then I thought "why?". You decide that on your way out the door you'll try and casually attack my reputation on the basis of... what exactly? Yeah, I made those comments. But then I sat, thought, came to my senses, left kako to rot, joined #t, built an auction bot, built an archive process, lea | [21:17] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long. | [21:17] |
| lobbes: | rned basics of v operation, stood up a trb node, and I don't plan to stop there. So what's your point? | [21:17] |
| lobbes: | I don't even care for your point at this point. Adiós anciana, I hope you rot in heathendom. | [21:17] |
| lobbes: | !!v 9ABCFB3816A72BF7F6C61014C660C88AD19E93C9337A1DF9CEE6B11174AE7ED9 | [21:17] |
| deedbot: | lobbes rated shinohai -2 << old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom | [21:17] |
| * lobbes | back to work | [21:17] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820132 << lol, i missed this ! | [21:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-01 01:17 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long. | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | to continue on this occasion the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809296 culture lesson thread : the 'i silently hated you for 2y' thing , was called 'to be a snake', i.e. 'coil up for long time and much later bite', and is a sin. | [21:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-05-04 17:02 asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch ) | [21:55] |
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