Forum logs for 16 Aug 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mp_en_viaje: o look, dramaz ?! [07:01]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928938 << it exactly is. back in 2014. when what they ~should~have been doing was showing us their tits. and complete with "selling imaginary pets for bitcoin" and assorted "ima bring reality to my level, the alternative's too much work" bullshit. [07:02]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 11:14:45 asciilifeform: loox like a schoolboy site of the '90s style ( 'learn haxxing! phreaking!' ) and dusty. [07:02]
mp_en_viaje: but whatever, give kids more "self-esteem" [07:02]
mp_en_viaje: you know i was at club last night, with the only two cunts anyone'd fuckl in the joint, and this moronic twentysomething (groomed beard, of course) sat next to me while one was off getting more drinks to explain to me what his needs were ? [07:03]
mp_en_viaje: COMPLETELY the fuck lost in the galaxies & brownie ways witin their own colon [07:04]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928942 << yoi're pasting it AS UNICODE. gotta paste it AS windows child porn (CP1252). [07:06]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:05:50 asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally [07:06]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:06:25 mp_en_viaje: All the CP1252 characters are also available in Unicode. For example the CP1252 character 146 that you mentioned (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) has the Unicode number 8217, therefore you should use this number in order to conform to the HTML standard. Modern HTML browsers like Netscape 4.0 understand Unicode, and will automatically convert the Unicode character &#8217 back into the character 146 on MS-Windows machines, and into the appropriate ch [07:06]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928944 << aaaite, top keks. [07:07]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:23:44 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/british-gibraltar-releases-iranian-tanker-over-us-objections/ << Qntra -- British Gibraltar Releases Iranian Tanker Over US Objections [07:07]
mp_en_viaje: get ready for a lot more "over usg objections" once Trilema opened the floodgates [07:08]
mp_en_viaje: ("oh but mp, it wasn't TRILEMA that opened the floodgates they just opened coincidentally". "really bitch ? and back in 2014, when you were supposed to show me your tits, your optionality was pushing you to nonsense arguments like "bitcoin is doomed" and "[http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/?b=Wait%20until&e=TERRORISM#select][mp is in imminent [07:11]
mp_en_viaje: dangerz]" ? da fuck happened, treason never prospers because if it prosper we'll just call it coincidence ? [07:11]
mp_en_viaje: schmucks. [07:11]
mp_en_viaje: pretty fucking epic qntra thursday, wtf! nice BingoBoingo ! [07:18]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928947 << they're weev-like/yarvin-like femstate cucks, not there for any other purpose than to explain how great the Inca actually is. [07:18]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 15:00:45 BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state [07:18]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928966 << bwahahaha. [07:19]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) ) [07:19]
mp_en_viaje: python is entertainy language. [07:20]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928978 << oh, and specifically mandate utf ? hm. [07:21]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:19:29 asciilifeform: why the fuck is this even a good idea ? to support arbitrary liquishit in logs ? imho the Right Thing would be 'if you want yer logs imported or echoed, put'em into utf8 or stuff up arse' . [07:21]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, supposedly i should be able to reproduce this, lessee. ×÷√ [07:22]
mp_en_viaje: aka 00a4 [07:24]
mp_en_viaje: the breakage more extensive than asciilifeform diagnosed. [07:28]
mp_en_viaje: i originally thought one actually needs http://www.cp1252.com/ to illustrate the breakage (whence i copied the original lines missing from log above), however this is not actually so. [07:31]
mp_en_viaje: let's do some selected testing then. [07:33]
mp_en_viaje: U+0126 Ħ 294 &Hstrok Latin Capital Letter H with stroke [07:34]
mp_en_viaje: U+0193 [07:34]
mp_en_viaje: Ɠ [07:34]
mp_en_viaje: 403 Latin Capital Letter G with hook [07:34]
mp_en_viaje: keks even my term chokes on that shit. [07:34]
mp_en_viaje: U+0193 Ɠ 403 Latin Capital Letter G with hook [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: U+01DA [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: ǚ [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: 474 Latin Small Letter U with diaeresis and caron [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: U+01DA ǚ 474 Latin Small Letter U with diaeresis and caron [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: U+0211 ȑ 529 Latin Small Letter R with double grave [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: U+0236 ȶ 566 Latin Small Letter T with curl [07:35]
mp_en_viaje: U+03D6 ϖ 982 Greek Pi Symbol [07:36]
mp_en_viaje: U+0426 Ц Cyrillic Capital Letter Tse [07:36]
mp_en_viaje: U+0469 ѩ Cyrillic Small Letter Iotified Little Yus [07:37]
mp_en_viaje: U+049C Ҝ Cyrillic Capital Letter Ka with vertical stroke [07:37]
mp_en_viaje: [Xi] [Xii] [Xiii] [07:38]
mp_en_viaje: Უ Ჵ Მ ⴃ ⴕ ⴥ ⴧ ⴭ [07:39]
mp_en_viaje: ꮄ ꮅ ꮆ ꮇ [07:39]
mp_en_viaje: ‱ basis point [07:40]
mp_en_viaje: ₠ ₩ ₪ [07:40]
mp_en_viaje: ℕ ℤ ℚ ℝ hey wtf stylization is this, R for reals is a double bar-r not a double-r-superimposed! and rationals is Q with a single bar left, not two bars left and right. WTF! [07:41]
mp_en_viaje: ↀ ↁ ↂ [07:41]
mp_en_viaje: ⇶ ⇲ ↛ ↜ ↱ [07:42]
mp_en_viaje: ∰ ⊠ ⊡ ≬ ∞ [07:43]
mp_en_viaje: ⎲ ⎳ << check it out, they have large sum! [07:43]
mp_en_viaje: ⏄ ⏅ [07:43]
mp_en_viaje: Ⓐ Ⓑ Ⓒ Ⓓ Ⓔ Ⓕ Ⓖ Ⓗ Ⓘ Ⓙ Ⓚ Ⓛ Ⓜ Ⓝ Ⓞ Ⓟ Ⓠ Ⓡ Ⓢ Ⓣ Ⓤ Ⓥ Ⓦ Ⓧ Ⓨ Ⓩ [07:44]
mp_en_viaje: ╣ ┋ ┟ [07:44]
mp_en_viaje: ░ ▲ ▷ [07:45]
mp_en_viaje: ♚ ♛ ♜ ♝ ♞ ♟ ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ ♨ [07:46]
mp_en_viaje: ff fi fl ffi ffl ſt st [07:46]
mp_en_viaje: [Xiv] [Xv] [Xvi] [07:47]
mp_en_viaje: [Xvii] [Xviii] [Xix] [Xx] [07:47]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxi] [Xxii] [Xxiii] [Xxiv] [07:48]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxv] [Xxvi] [Xxvii] [Xxviii] [07:48]
mp_en_viaje: ⠵ ⢶ ⣻ ⣼ [07:49]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxix] [Xxx] [Xxxi] [Xxxii] [Xxxiii] [Xxxiv] [07:50]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxxv] [Xxxvi] [Xxxvii] [Xxxviii] [07:51]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxxix] [Xxxx] [Xxxxi] [07:51]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxxxii] [Xxxxiii] [Xxxxiv] [07:51]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxxxv] alkali [Xxxxvi] putrefaction [Xxxxvii] aether [Xxxxviii] regular antimony and so following [07:52]
mp_en_viaje: ␢ ␣ ␤ ␥ [07:52]
mp_en_viaje:  � [07:54]
mp_en_viaje: this then completes our foray into the unpleasant. [07:55]
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, we also have something asciilifeform will love to hear about : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Use_Areas aka "by deliberate design, unicode can never be correctly displayed" [07:55]
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-16-aug-2019#2548856 to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-16#1929092 ie 48 lines vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929021 to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929066 aka 45 lines. the actual linecount as issued is 48. [07:57]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 07:33:56 mp_en_viaje: let's do some selected testing then. [07:57]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 07:55:31 mp_en_viaje: this then completes our foray into the unpleasant. [07:57]
mp_en_viaje: the only possible conclusion is that unicode support is actually broken on either the flask, the python outright, or some other library asciilifeform is using there. it's true that it was coincidentally discovered by cp1252 translation failure, but it is not limited to that. things missing from nsa log like the micron above are plain unicode and correctly quoted as such by my terminal. [08:00]
mp_en_viaje: note that both loggers miss some glyphs, rendering them as eg 01f737 in a box. this is different behaviour from simply dropping the line. [08:00]
mp_en_viaje: now that we're talking about this, i recall a similar (if more restrained) experiment with phf, maybe cca late 2017, and he went away and came back with a properly wroking logger a week or so later -- though i dunno that he ever wrote a blog article detailing the problem and its solution [08:01]
mp_en_viaje: for reference, i've also echoed the 48 lines through lynx-php-mysql they're visible php-yourbrowser at http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130940 it croaks (as expected) on the first codepoint with no associated glyph (ln20). [08:09]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928975 << well ok, but you could also just you know, run the unicode table through the system and see where the problems are and why, ie exactly what i've done above. not like it was some kind of high arcana or anything, neh, when confronted with unexpected behaviour run the whole class through see what hapens, rather than "try to divine a culprit" or "who do your [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ [08:14]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:12:20 asciilifeform: burned entire evening on this, and is no closer to a ~lead~ to a solution (not even speaking of actual solution) than before. [08:14]
mp_en_viaje: trilema/2019-08-10#1927160][feelings] indicate was the rapist" or any such nonsense, neh ? [08:14]
mp_en_viaje: or "who do your feelings indicate was the rapist" or any such nonsense, neh ? [08:14]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:08:52 mircea_popescu: meanwhikle at cuntcamps, gut feelings are your guardian angel [08:14]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << there's nothing in principle wrong with this solution. there may be some practical concerns (ie, might want to get a working unicode set first) but other than that i don't see the advantage to having numbers-in-a-rectangle, for instance, in preference of a fixed turd. [08:16]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:27:38 asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit. [08:16]
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928989 << i dun think there's any merit to getting unicode ~search~ going the specification of search in #13 implicitly exclues them. plainascii search is good enough. [08:19]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 22:21:36 asciilifeform: btw just as i thought, lobbes's searchtron fails if fed the liquishit in question. [08:19]
mp_en_viaje: of course, in continuing infuriation, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%F0%9F%9C%B0 also works just fine. [08:21]
* mp_en_viaje shall now be off attending to household dramaz, will bbl tho. [08:22]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worx same in mine, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%F0%9F%9C%B0&chan=trilema [09:33]
asciilifeform: uniturd search worked from day 1 ( of items that actually made it into the db, that is ) [09:33]
asciilifeform: nao will have to see wtf it was that mp_en_viaje found (3 'magick' turds ? ) [09:33]
* asciilifeform digging through barfology log on dulap, will brb [09:37]
asciilifeform: i see 9 duds actually [09:39]
asciilifeform: ( today strictly ) [09:39]
asciilifeform: however, the bot that is here , does ~not~ have the phf pill, that one is in #asciilifeform-test [09:41]
asciilifeform: !quptime [09:41]
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 6d 11h 48m [09:41]
asciilifeform: ^ this one is the last-vpatch ver [09:41]
asciilifeform: grrr apparently can't reproduce by pasting from phf's log, cuz -- surprise!111 -- it all turns into valid utf8 when displayed there [09:46]
asciilifeform: pasting from the wikitardia dun seem to do the trick either [09:47]
asciilifeform: (i.e. #asciilifeform-test bot happily eats 100% of the examples ) [09:47]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje when you wake up, plz describe how you actually got the barfola into yer irc client, so can reproduce. [09:49]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929071 << the interesting bit is that i got 0 barf when importing phf's log (i.e. including all of the historic uniturds seen in log in 'era 2') [09:52]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 08:00:13 mp_en_viaje: the only possible conclusion is that unicode support is actually broken on either the flask, the python outright, or some other library asciilifeform is using there. it's true that it was coincidentally discovered by cp1252 translation failure, but it is not limited to that. things missing from nsa log like the micron above are plain unicode and correctly quoted as such by my terminal. [09:52]
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929099 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546409 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546413 [09:54]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 09:49:00 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje when you wake up, plz describe how you actually got the barfola into yer irc client, so can reproduce. [09:54]
asciilifeform: ohai phf [09:54]
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929100 << particular utf-8 otherwise latin-1 trick also exists in cl-irc for example (i believe the python irc logger i looked at long time ago also had it), so log messages that a111 gets are already converted in this way. [09:56]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 09:52:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929071 << the interesting bit is that i got 0 barf when importing phf's log (i.e. including all of the historic uniturds seen in log in 'era 2') [09:56]
asciilifeform: phf: the issue seems to be postgres , i.e. mine is set to utf8 , so anything that is to sit down in it gotta validly re-encode to utf8 [09:57]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) ) [09:57]
phf: asciilifeform: that is something else wrong with your code, i've tested with some local python and it works as expected [09:58]
asciilifeform: phf: post plz how tested and which py. [09:58]
asciilifeform: and which postgres. [09:58]
asciilifeform: (cuz it's specifically a postgres query boojum) [09:59]
asciilifeform: the phf-style variant is currently sitting in #asciilifeform-test , btw, and can be diddled , put turd there and try to search for it, if it's in the test bot's log, search will return correct res [10:00]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:52:35 asciilifeform: current variant (w/ phf's non-curative decode-fallback). [10:00]
phf: well, correct hence "something else wrong", i've only verified what i already knew, that latin-1 decoded to "unicode" is otherwise indistinguishable from any other unicode, and can then be encoded to utf-8 [10:00]
phf: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n5CQ3/?raw=true [10:00]
asciilifeform: phf: this -- worx . this is not the problem. problem happens when the re-encoded string is fed to postgres. [10:02]
asciilifeform: representative example barfology from test using lobbes's turd last night in #asciilifeform-test [10:02]
asciilifeform: the latin-1 fallbacks, per phf's algo, re-encode happily, python per se dun barf. postgres barfs when fed the result. [10:03]
phf: what does SHOW SERVER_ENCODING return for your pg? [10:04]
asciilifeform: UTF8 . [10:05]
asciilifeform: as i set it, lol [10:05]
phf: asciilifeform: you have a bug in your code, data.strip(b'\r\n').decode('latin-1') is not assigned to data, so ultimately payload is still a latin-1 bytestring [10:11]
* asciilifeform loox again [10:11]
asciilifeform: oh hm, it is , innit [10:12]
* asciilifeform fixed, restarts #asciilifeform-test bot... [10:13]
asciilifeform: for some reason thought .strip an' .decode were destructive ops, when wrote this [10:13]
asciilifeform: test bot -- reset, running. [10:13]
asciilifeform: phf: ty appears to be the reason for the barf seen vs. lobbes's collection of barfolade. nao need to reproduce mp_en_viaje's [10:16]
* asciilifeform would like to add hexdump logging on all eggog, before resetting the main bot [10:17]
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought, i'ma do the swap nao, ~erryone seems to be asleep [10:22]
asciilifeform: 3... 2... 1... [10:23]
asciilifeform: phf-type (corrected) bot is live. [10:24]
* asciilifeform unplugs the one in #asciilifeform-test , is redundant nao [10:25]
asciilifeform: let's live-fire lobbes's example: [10:25]
asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log.html#t20:04:33 [10:25]
asciilifeform: lol lobbes's bot dead ? [10:26]
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought he had multichan support, but apparently moved it wholesale to #a-test , lol [10:26]
asciilifeform: lobbes plox to move your bot here, where it belongs, lol [10:26]
phf: [10:28]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje when you wake up, plox to reissue the barfologies if you still have'em handy. whole episode may easily be 'coarse error of pilotage' of asciilifeform [10:28]
asciilifeform: phf: i see blank line in both client and log [10:28]
asciilifeform: incl. your log [10:28]
phf: °±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ [10:29]
asciilifeform: !qs °±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ [10:29]
snsabot: 2 results for "°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿" in #trilema [10:29]
asciilifeform: ^ eaten, clearly [10:29]
phf: fyi erc supports custom channel encodings [10:30]
asciilifeform: for all i know even supports http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928981 . [10:31]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:23:52 asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp) [10:31]
asciilifeform: ty for reading the paste of bot, phf evidently not 1 other soul read! [10:33]
* asciilifeform now, finally, goes to tea. brb. [10:34]
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aite, incoming! [10:37]
mp_en_viaje: U+00B5 µ 0181 &micro Micro sign [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+00D8 Ø 0216 &Oslash Latin Capital letter O with stroke [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0126 Ħ 294 &Hstrok Latin Capital Letter H with stroke [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0193 [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: Ɠ [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: 403 Latin Capital Letter G with hook [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: keks even my term chokes on that shit. [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0193 Ɠ 403 Latin Capital Letter G with hook [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+01DA [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: ǚ [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: 474 Latin Small Letter U with diaeresis and caron [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+01DA ǚ 474 Latin Small Letter U with diaeresis and caron [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0211 ȑ 529 Latin Small Letter R with double grave [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0236 ȶ 566 Latin Small Letter T with curl [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+03D6 ϖ 982 Greek Pi Symbol [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0426 Ц Cyrillic Capital Letter Tse [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+0469 ѩ Cyrillic Small Letter Iotified Little Yus [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: U+049C Ҝ Cyrillic Capital Letter Ka with vertical stroke [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxxxix] [Xxl] [Xxli] [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: Უ Ჵ Მ ⴃ ⴕ ⴥ ⴧ ⴭ [10:41]
mp_en_viaje: ꮄ ꮅ ꮆ ꮇ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: U+2021 ‡ Double dagger [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ‱ basis point [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ₠ ₩ ₪ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ℕ ℤ ℚ ℝ hey wtf stylization is this, R for reals is a double bar-r not a double-r-superimposed! and rationals is Q with a single bar left, not two bars left and right. WTF! [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ↀ ↁ ↂ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ⇶ ⇲ ↛ ↜ ↱ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ∰ ⊠ ⊡ ≬ ∞ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ⎲ ⎳ << check it out, they have large sum! [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ⏄ ⏅ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: Ⓐ Ⓑ Ⓒ Ⓓ Ⓔ Ⓕ Ⓖ Ⓗ Ⓘ Ⓙ Ⓚ Ⓛ Ⓜ Ⓝ Ⓞ Ⓟ Ⓠ Ⓡ Ⓢ Ⓣ Ⓤ Ⓥ Ⓦ Ⓧ Ⓨ Ⓩ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ╣ ┋ ┟ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ░ ▲ ▷ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ♚ ♛ ♜ ♝ ♞ ♟ ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ ♨ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ff fi fl ffi ffl ſt st [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxlii] [Xxliii] [Xxliv] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxlv] [Xxlvi] [Xxlvii] [Xxlviii] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xxlix] [Xl] [Xli] [Xlii] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xliii] [Xliv] [Xlv] [Xlvi] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ⠵ ⢶ ⣻ ⣼ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xlvii] [Xlviii] [Xlix] [Xlx] [Xlxi] [Xlxii] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xlxiii] [Xlxiv] [Xlxv] [Xlxvi] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xlxvii] [Xlxviii] [Xlxix] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xlxx] [Xlxxi] [Xlxxii] [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: [Xlxxiii] alkali [Xlxxiv] putrefaction [Xlxxv] aether [Xlxxvi] regular antimony and so following [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: ␢ ␣ ␤ ␥ [10:42]
mp_en_viaje:  � [10:42]
mp_en_viaje: much better. [10:44]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 0 eggog on dulap-side log. [11:23]
asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2015-08-26.log.html#t20:04:33 [11:30]
lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1," [11:30]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929204 << also eaten. [11:31]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 11:30:55 lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1," [11:31]
asciilifeform: !qs ⊠ ⊡ [11:31]
snsabot: 3 results for "⊠ ⊡" in #trilema [11:31]
asciilifeform: !qs ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ [11:32]
snsabot: 3 results for "♠ ♣ ♥ ♦" in #trilema [11:32]
asciilifeform: !qs ♥ ♠ ♦ ♣ [11:33]
snsabot: 5 results for "♥ ♠ ♦ ♣" in #trilema [11:33]
asciilifeform: !qs Ⓐ Ⓩ [11:33]
snsabot: 3 results for "Ⓐ Ⓩ" in #trilema [11:33]
asciilifeform: i'ma leave off with these, cuz erryone prolly already tossed their lunch but who has idea re others, welcome to throw in. [11:34]
asciilifeform: will issue vpatch later tonight/tomorrow [11:35]
asciilifeform: ty phf , mp_en_viaje, lobbes . [11:36]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929178 << these btw are mutilated, as per mp's description, on erry terminal i have. evidently bakers of uniturd standard never bothered to open a maffs schoolbook... [12:21]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 10:42:11 mp_en_viaje: ℕ ℤ ℚ ℝ hey wtf stylization is this, R for reals is a double bar-r not a double-r-superimposed! and rationals is Q with a single bar left, not two bars left and right. WTF! [12:21]
asciilifeform: or i suppose possible that these are in fact microshit 'wingdings', and the genuine q/r/etc are elsewhere in that talmud [12:22]
asciilifeform: ♞ << funnily enuff has ~ears~ on my terminals. as in no chess b00k afaik ever. [12:23]
asciilifeform: ♨ << loox like 'java log' ?!! (what's it doing in unicoad? is there 'coca cola' logo also?! and if not -- wainot?? ) [12:24]
asciilifeform: *logo [12:24]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929170 << abolished by peter I . what's ~it~ doing in unicode ? and if ~this~ is there, wainot also egyptian hiroglyphs ? [12:26]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 10:41:53 mp_en_viaje: U+0469 ѩ Cyrillic Small Letter Iotified Little Yus [12:26]
phf: ^ https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U13000.pdf [13:12]
asciilifeform: oh ffs! [13:25]
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09b-hunchentoot-v.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot: taskmaster code review [13:31]
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928785 <-- ftr, just to make sure this isn't lost: this is the next item on my list after thetarpit commentz and hunchentoot genesis. [13:43]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:52:44 mp_en_viaje: i expect large portions of lobbesbot actually salvageable spyked was making a lisp one too iirc. [13:43]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/nyc-subway-station-temporarily-shuttered-over-presence-of-pressure-cookers/ << Qntra -- NYC Subway Station Temporarily Shuttered Over Presence Of Pressure Cookers [16:17]
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929009 << tyvm, seems like the epic week of keks has slowed down substantially today. Unless rumors and inuendos the Pantsuits want to talk about concerning how Trump may or may not be trying to negotiate a Greenland purchase count. [16:21]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 07:18:07 mp_en_viaje: pretty fucking epic qntra thursday, wtf! nice BingoBoingo ! [16:21]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol!! i thought crapple was to 'buy russia' [16:27]
asciilifeform: wai now the bargain bin. [16:27]
BingoBoingo: Apparently Minnesota doesn't have enough room to resettle all of the warm climate "refugees" into proper cold climates? [16:35]
asciilifeform: alaska not bigenuff to meet projected gula^H^H^H^Hresettlement capacity ? [16:36]
BingoBoingo: Prolly not [16:37]
BingoBoingo: Could also migrate from Alaska to Canada. More easily than Greenland to anywhere else. Gotta keep the inmates in. [16:38]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/usta-swingers-club-ul-jozefa-strusia-5-in-warsaw-poland-and-other-things/ << Trilema -- Usta Swingers Club (ul. Jzefa Strusia 5), in Warsaw, Poland and other things. [17:23]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1052 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo [17:42]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1053 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo [17:42]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/impotent-usg-unseals-warrant-for-liberated-iranian-tanker/ << Qntra -- Impotent USG Unseals "Warrant" For Liberated Iranian Tanker [19:54]
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! logotron vtree updated includes all currently-deployed changes . [20:09]
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 283mn 26 2835 WFF, Wire Only [20:36]
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 51mn 26 500 WFF, WU esta bien [20:36]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1054 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 283mn ecu Ending: 2019-08-17 14:05:28.848350 UTC (25 hours) [20:36]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1055 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 51mn ecu Ending: 2019-08-17 14:05:29.126412 UTC (25 hours) [20:36]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-11#1927317 << am looking into it this evening. there's a known issue with moving keys from A to B that I'm going to resolve [20:52]
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-09#1000025 [20:52]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have. [20:52]
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 5 days, 6 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-11#1000032 << Fellow from earlier indeed appears to have his private key. When you get a chance to, please swing by #pizarro to see if you can help him debug his issue decrypting deedbot strings to !!v. [20:52]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:09:14 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: here is a re-encrypted copy of the encrypted message you sent me earlier as evidence I have the private key: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kkmtg/?raw=true [20:52]
trinque: hm lemme switch links from now on then. [20:52]
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927501 << lol wtf excuse is this [20:54]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:46:59 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: you actually improved my archive process with just such a bash one-liner. I still use it to this day to get around the 'cloudflare' crapola. But you know, 10 years spent in a pot-induced fog tends to make one miss the obvious. I'm working with a new brain these days [20:54]
trinque: the fog was induced by you being on your ass if anything never blame a substance [20:54]
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927727 << precisely right. what wedges, from my investigation here and elsewhere, is the seam between cl+ssl and openssl. [20:56]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 22:34:33 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927722 << i have a suspicion that trinque set it to cycle at 0hrs (in frustration re socket wedge ?) [20:56]
trinque: if we are content with that deedbot may come back under a different name (as if freenode is the canonical repository of anything) I'll remove the SSL cruft. [20:58]
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929257 << I cannot argue with this. In any case, I no longer intend to be on said ass [21:08]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 20:54:50 trinque: the fog was induced by you being on your ass if anything never blame a substance [21:08]
trinque: cool, I'm gonna spark a doob and work on deedbot [21:08]
lobbes: haha enjoy [21:08]
lobbes: the moral, I guess, is 'pretense kills'. [21:10]
* trinque shrugs [21:12]
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926770 << hit by car? something else? [21:13]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:33:52 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926224 << perhaps quarter dead, but days go to going to hospital for daily wounds dressing, sleeping a lot and going for walks, i have another sugery on monday to close me up. [21:13]
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty and welcome back [21:13]
trinque: hola BingoBoingo! [21:14]
lobbes: !Xbid 1055 51mn [21:17]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1055: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 51mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-08-17 14:05:29.126412 UTC (25 hours 19 mins) [21:17]
trinque: BingoBoingo: open at all to copy improvements on the pizarroisp.net site? [21:18]
trinque: "Pizarro servers do not employ BMC, nor always-on KVM setups." << y'all say nothing about why someone should care [21:19]
trinque: "Getting machines to the DC is a bit of a hike, and you're welcome to ship out with one of our supply runs to the "space station". [21:19]
trinque: ^ you precede it with telling someone how much it sucks to try to house a box [21:19]
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty, copy's due for another cleaning indeed [21:21]
BingoBoingo: I'll have to take a break from reading news from the other side of the river for the laffs. [21:22]
BingoBoingo: Latest is that what was a disaster appears to have been normalized in argentine dialog while Fitch just downgraded then from B to CCC [21:23]
trinque: running any ads anywhere for the site? [21:23]
BingoBoingo: Not at the moment. [21:25]
asciilifeform: trinque: apropos -- i took the liberty to put piz banner on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/ ( btw open to improvements, if someone knows how to draw... ) [21:30]
asciilifeform: it's been there since 1st day of new logtron [21:30]
asciilifeform: btw wb trinque [21:31]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trinque has a point turn the 'BMC' into link to 1 of the pertinent qntras plox [21:32]
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wRpPY/?raw=true << here's teh kind of thing I'd do [21:33]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and perhaps also , the 'Account management is done through RSA process' oughta point to mp's 'social engineering' article [21:33]
asciilifeform: trinque's sample is a+++ imho. oughta go in. [21:33]
trinque: page needs more of that, and less in-group signaling imho [21:34]
trinque: http://www.tarsnap.com/ << excellent example [21:34]
trinque: also hola asciilifeform, good to come up for air. [21:35]
asciilifeform: tarsnap's www indeed pretty good . i remember it from a 2015 thread. [21:35]
asciilifeform: trinque: whatcha working on these days ? [21:36]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929258 << hrm i cannot resist to ask : what's ssl doing in there ? [21:37]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 20:56:57 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927727 << precisely right. what wedges, from my investigation here and elsewhere, is the seam between cl+ssl and openssl. [21:37]
trinque: eh just a webshit that takes up a bunch of time. [21:37]
trinque: asciilifeform: sure, but that seam runs all the way down to "what's freenode doing in there" [21:38]
asciilifeform: rright but e.g. my bot is sslism-free [21:38]
asciilifeform: ( can be sat behind znc, in principle, if for some reason really want. but i haven't ) [21:38]
trinque: yep, just freenode auth blasts a password over the wire [21:39]
asciilifeform: indeed does [21:39]
trinque: ftr my statement above is "fuggit" [21:39]
asciilifeform: see also [21:39]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:30:57 asciilifeform: for instance right nao anyone leasing a box on piz, can hear the pw [21:39]
trinque: yep, so when I migrate, noob can hijack deedbot [21:40]
asciilifeform: so sit it under znc. why suffer with sslism in own proggy. [21:40]
trinque: mnah, if I'm doing anything at all with "IRC" in the mix, I'm doing as little as possible [21:41]
asciilifeform: ( tho tbf iirc trinque's bot, assuming it is close to the genesis'd item, would require a little doctoring to run under znc ) [21:41]
trinque: seriously considering opening a www channel into the bot [21:41]
asciilifeform: trinque: 'as little as can' was my design principle, is how wrote ~400ln bot (and almost correctly -- did require phf's uniturd fix) [21:42]
trinque: yep, logs look nice [21:42]
asciilifeform: actually some of the old pages look not-nice, currently chasing a rendering barf where lines overflow in certain 2015-16 pages [21:43]
asciilifeform: (why -- do not know yet) [21:43]
asciilifeform: see also [21:44]
asciilifeform: hrm lol lemme repaste from own log, [21:44]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928339 [21:44]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 22:48:05 asciilifeform: another page that breaks, apparently, wrapping [21:44]
* asciilifeform has been digging through phf's output to see how he wrapped, initially i copied his stylesheet but had to break it to get 'checkerboard' [21:45]
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929309 << what means 'www channel into bot' ? [21:46]
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:41:54 trinque: seriously considering opening a www channel into the bot [21:46]
trinque: it's the phuctoring lines, standby for css hax [21:46]
asciilifeform: oh hah, css wrappage doesn't know how to break words, does it. [21:47]
trinque: can with one of the multitudinous flags [21:47]
* asciilifeform invites trinque to vpatch the posted tree is 100% current and patchable on [21:49]
trinque: remove the .loglines { float:left clear:left } and add .loglines { word-wrap: break-word } [21:51]
* asciilifeform goes to try [21:51]
asciilifeform: appears to work. ty trinque ! [21:54]
trinque: great, np [21:55]
asciilifeform: deployed to dulap. [21:56]
asciilifeform: and will be in next patch. [21:56]
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! logotron tree updated yet again . [22:04]
asciilifeform: 100% current to deployed item . [22:04]
lobbes: asciilifeform: with phf's uniturd fix in place, would you like me to repatch the following (with updated MANIFEST.TXT): http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr-vpatch/ ? [22:13]
lobbes: likewise, is there anything you need from me to eat the historical #e logs? [22:13]
asciilifeform: lobbes: not 100% certain yet will need to test [22:14]
asciilifeform: lobbes: you're invited to test locally , btw, don't have to wait for me [22:14]
lobbes: kk. let me know if you need my hands for anything [22:14]
lobbes: once I genesis the 'classic' #e logotron I intend to do some testing [22:15]
* asciilifeform would much like folx to start pressing the tree , and experimenting with own hands , rather than simply bringing tips to asciilifeform to make patch [22:15]
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