Forum logs for 15 Feb 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in crazy coincidences : speaking of http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-14-feb-2019#2519958 trilema commenters dug out.... well, there was this antique trilema hater / goffy ununderstood soul / fellow with talent & issues that kept deleting his blog (only to resurect it periodically). well, in this 5th or 9th or whatever resurected phase, what is he writing about YESTERDAY if not... https://ludditus.com/2019/02/10/nostalgia-fun-w [00:41]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:45 asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage. [00:41]
mircea_popescu: ith-calculators/ [00:41]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ : bitcoin's still capped at 21mn (pantsuit still claiming this is bad) usg's confetti just passed 22... quadrillion or some shit (pantsuit still claiming that 1. it is capped and 2. nothing to be worried about -- not even self-contradiction). http://www.usdebtclock.org/ has some tickers. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: the fmi is gonna make some austerity recomendations, rite ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow [01:24]
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896874 -> pending getting finally ave1's gnat recompiled with sjlj and then running it on smg test server, I'd say switching to sjlj + no handlers is pretty much the only currently available option anyway [02:19]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 02:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ? [02:19]
mircea_popescu: i guess so. [02:19]
diana_coman: fwiw yesterday I had in parallel this recompile task going too, but all sorts of stuff going with it so it's still ongoing (and apparently I'll have afterwards to write-it up as well, on top of the sjlj data ) [02:20]
mircea_popescu: aha. [02:21]
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896880 << That slow walk to "weather instability" as their new buzzword [08:13]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 06:24 mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow [08:13]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/jeff-bezos-stops-plans-for-second-amazon-headquarters-in-new-york/ << Qntra -- Jeff Bezos Stops Plans For Second Amazon Headquarters In New York [09:23]
diana_coman: oh boy: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OIR1B/?raw=true [09:33]
* diana_coman doesn't yet know wtf that is exactly - will go and dig [09:34]
BingoBoingo: And it comes out GNAT has never been tested before to the extent the Republic is testing it [10:05]
mircea_popescu: except that's WHAT FUCKING WEATHER MEANS. [10:10]
mircea_popescu: when the fuck is weather ~stable~ ? maybe in sahara. [10:10]
mircea_popescu: first "global warming", that didn't pan out, then "climate change", that also didn't pan out, now it's "nothing in particular" and i'm supposed to take them seriously ? [10:10]
mircea_popescu: beat the wives more. [10:11]
BingoBoingo: They gotta sell their Pol Pot plan for stability somehow. [10:15]
mircea_popescu: totally. [10:17]
mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to. [10:19]
mircea_popescu: as a smart woman once said, "to have fun you need to organize it". i know, cuz i wrote her. [10:20]
mircea_popescu: (for thread completness : dood's a "crypto skeptic" for the simple reason that i told 'em to get in back in 2011, when ro speakers were going through a phase of our-homegoat-just-as-good-as-mp's-mercedes, and so of course they "knew better" then. romanians are dumb enough to get locked into these permamently, just like any other rural morons.) [10:22]
mircea_popescu: needless to say... there's a lohohohohooot of these. [10:22]
* asciilifeform looked at linked www, seems to have.. buncha reviews of winblowz av!! who the fuck ~collects~ winblows av?! [10:51]
diana_coman: socialists? [10:52]
asciilifeform: ( aside from pro virii-bakers , for tests. but d00d dun seem to be 1 of ~these~ ) [10:52]
asciilifeform: i didn't even see any mention of 'crypto', other than a 2017 piece where he gripes about uninvited js minerism [10:53]
asciilifeform: ( presumably he deleted ? ) [10:53]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'Error detected around a-calend.adb:801:11' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fCaiF/?raw=true << is there any chance yer clock is off ? [11:05]
asciilifeform: ( or moved during the build ?? ) [11:05]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly not moved during the build it says 16:34 gmt now so doubt it's a problem [11:06]
asciilifeform: the 2nd eggog is also a constraint eggog, thrown in bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YUqze/?raw=true [11:07]
asciilifeform: hrm. [11:07]
diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf [11:07]
asciilifeform: clear so far but not why [11:08]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to briefly describe how you set up this build, so i can replicate locally [11:08]
BingoBoingo: !!rate cazalla 1 Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste [11:10]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mxypk/?raw=true [11:10]
* asciilifeform brb, tea [11:10]
BingoBoingo: !!v EAADE283F871C8A1FB63719F0509FAE74A77977833D27676959EDE9795B4620C [11:10]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of cazalla from 8 to 1 << Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste [11:10]
BingoBoingo: !!rate mod6 4 TRB, Pizarro, testing of things [11:11]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2Pdzx/?raw=true [11:11]
diana_coman: hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken anyways, it's with http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place [11:12]
BingoBoingo: !!v 8259D8A47353C666238F664566D3E65C89A5AE414FA502AAA633DA3BDD618A5B [11:12]
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated mod6 4 << TRB, Pizarro, testing of things [11:12]
diana_coman: exorted makeopts and then run the build-ada.sh in short [11:12]
diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ [11:13]
diana_coman: at least to have some idea if the move to gcc that builds static only has to do with it [11:14]
diana_coman: for sanity I just checked by the way that the exact same machine DOES in fact build successfully GNAT with those same scripts without the sjlj added requirement [11:16]
* diana_coman will bbl [11:28]
* BingoBoingo about to do WoT cleanup [11:28]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate diatonic [11:28]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CkHlP/?raw=true [11:28]
BingoBoingo: !!v AA917614CA4F99DFABF0B4B72D830216F1864930B3E6DFB85532F686A7B52EE0 [11:29]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated diatonic. [11:29]
BingoBoingo: !!rate dignork -1 found an opportunity to make a useful thing, long missing in action [11:29]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CJ3Il/?raw=true [11:29]
BingoBoingo: !!v 455F5858441BC274AC14419F3FB5031C6702D1DF993BF1B02BF5AE9595338645 [11:30]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of dignork from 1 to -1 << found an opportunity to make a useful thing, long missing in action [11:30]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate doctorbtc [11:30]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/leszC/?raw=true [11:30]
BingoBoingo: !!v 7BC2ED18185509DCAB0940C4D5F132E98867B29FA935024F32B49D0CEF26D8CC [11:30]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated doctorbtc. [11:30]
BingoBoingo: !!rate douchebag -2 Ate time, got dismissed [11:31]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvQH7/?raw=true [11:31]
BingoBoingo: !!v FD296609320F92B11EE1C04AFE7CF21767F468D6D5B09528638EC3F6FBFBF40A [11:31]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of douchebag from 1 to -2 << Ate time, got dismissed [11:31]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate dub [11:32]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/emgtV/?raw=true [11:32]
BingoBoingo: !!v B0C5FC94ED49317179EB53857041B261C976A983C8894A0D4D6FE55CD2963B1B [11:32]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated dub. [11:32]
BingoBoingo: !!rate heysteve -1 Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way [11:32]
BingoBoingo: !!rate heysteve -1 Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way [11:35]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JAEJz/?raw=true [11:35]
BingoBoingo: !!v 6CFF779F9723C134979FBA8CE3A51E23558A8B39E351DB40A594C437896F9065 [11:36]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of heysteve from 1 to -1 << Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way [11:36]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate immuzikation [11:36]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNB1B/?raw=true [11:36]
BingoBoingo: !!v 2FD70CB3C8CAE0A17662131C18D3874419CD8B160BF76C84FC8024AFCAF3A5C7 [11:37]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated immuzikation. [11:37]
BingoBoingo: !!rate irdial -1 loud, introduced to the future, ended up going the other way [11:37]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NGleZ/?raw=true [11:37]
BingoBoingo: !!v 202C582152714EAB6A1816B8AA26F0BE3401665E66A9E81C344600DFFF89D0B6 [11:37]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of irdial from 1 to -1 << loud, introduced to the future, ended up going the other way [11:37]
BingoBoingo: !!rate jborkl_ 1 wrote, probably making tracks in the trackless waste [11:38]
BingoBoingo: !!rate jonvaage -1 received loan of #b-a +v, se fue [11:39]
BingoBoingo: !!rate jonvaage -1 received loan of #b-a +v, se fue [11:39]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pK3Pm/?raw=true [11:39]
BingoBoingo: !!v 1AD0616DB515AED5B64F8A183FBC2570A58AA7681DC594E23D65853957B48BB0 [11:40]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of jonvaage from 1 to -1 << received loan of #b-a +v, se fue [11:40]
BingoBoingo: !!rate mike_c -1 Made good things, disappeared, appears to have ended up going the other way [11:40]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i1TPM/?raw=true [11:40]
BingoBoingo: !!v 7A4A8BB0069456114E383E44192D1658FBC43DC59F3235958419CD4F43EC3D80 [11:41]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of mike_c from 1 to -1 << Made good things, disappeared, appears to have ended up going the other way [11:41]
BingoBoingo: !!rate pete_dushenski 1 Canadian lifestyle blogger, Embracing the icy north of a peripheral Pantsuit land, a trackful wast [11:41]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EHbOn/?raw=true [11:41]
BingoBoingo: !!v AE0510493A2ADD5A4A942DBBF6E1ECB52475CB6CF4E3227BDDF8F790A4EC086C [11:42]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of pete_dushenski from 1 to 1 << Canadian lifestyle blogger, Embracing the icy north of a peripheral Pantsuit land, a trackful wast [11:42]
BingoBoingo: !!rate pinkposixpxe 1 wrote text for qntra, disappeared [11:42]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w8R63/?raw=true [11:42]
BingoBoingo: !!v 8489CF7148709190CDBA46A25226E9568E65C35EA6D324A9EC8F591A555F98D2 [11:42]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of pinkposixpxe from 1 to 1 << wrote text for qntra, disappeared [11:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: imo very typical of the sort of braindamage involved. [11:43]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate punkman [11:43]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t9iKt/?raw=true [11:43]
BingoBoingo: !!v 8CB50CEF88683C491DBAD9F3C0D9DA7029ED68712BE20647FD96E60608EB131F [11:43]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated punkman. [11:43]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate sexy_saffron [11:43]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v5VM7/?raw=true [11:44]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896912 << fucking hell... [11:44]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:07 diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf [11:44]
BingoBoingo: !!v 7D61D65A32F8424C4936F4BE7665F7BD3B385F1C375A9896C0C572096DD35521 [11:44]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated sexy_saffron. [11:44]
BingoBoingo: !!rate simonpenner -1 Introduced to the future, ended up going the other way [11:44]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f9E5x/?raw=true [11:44]
mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!" [11:45]
BingoBoingo: !!v AE4B9D3879A60471130979CCF0D12885D9996338C981C2BB4169B586E35EAA1B [11:45]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of simonpenner from 1 to -1 << Introduced to the future, ended up going the other way [11:45]
BingoBoingo: !!rate thickasthieves -1 The Real Altcoin's Mother, disappeared after receiving criticism in Trilema blog comments, additionally something, something NEOBEE [11:45]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ykHI/?raw=true [11:45]
BingoBoingo: !!v 8FBCFDA6275770168C679ECBF22102C1FAA7C698D955F5350EA931D5AABCB480 [11:46]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of thickasthieves from 1 to -1 << The Real Altcoin's Mother, disappeared after receiving criticism in Trilema blog comments, additionally something, something NEOBEE [11:46]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate xanthyos [11:46]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rvDia/?raw=true [11:46]
BingoBoingo: !!v 6EBDDECBC1563CC36C763270F417F3321D57DC30655130342EF54A8AD298F8C2 [11:47]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated xanthyos. [11:47]
BingoBoingo: !!unrate chatquack [11:47]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NHoYy/?raw=true [11:47]
BingoBoingo: !!v EDDE628D5FBD04D44B90C536EC82EE57E6F7C4E19CEF32B67FC6F536D424202F [11:48]
deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated chatquack. [11:48]
BingoBoingo: !!v !!rate copypaste -1 Introduced to the future, ended up rolling the other way [11:48]
BingoBoingo: !!rate copypaste -1 Introduced to the future, ended up rolling the other way [11:48]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RqhQw/?raw=true [11:48]
BingoBoingo: !!v 69425E41C7A5ADFDBCA634EB2321E383E0F9FC1D5F17875E8EAB30DFF15F9E8F [11:48]
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of copypaste from 1 to -1 << Introduced to the future, ended up rolling the other way [11:48]
BingoBoingo: !!rate ragnardanneskjol -5 Professed to do something, Ate substantial time over several years, if he crawls back out of his whole consider him a navigational hazard who will eat any time you offer him and further waste anytime you spend expecting him to deliver [11:51]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wj8AT/?raw=true [11:51]
BingoBoingo: !!v EA312C58C5DFDBAAA93BABAD6ECB87B51D16F804D527B9613700F3E21A31F3BC [11:51]
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated ragnardanneskjol -5 << Professed to do something, Ate substantial time over several years, if he crawls back out of his whole consider him a navigational hazard who will eat any time you offer him and further waste anytime you spend expecting him to deliver [11:51]
BingoBoingo: That ends this round of ratings updates [11:51]
asciilifeform: ohey BingoBoingo cleaned house [12:05]
BingoBoingo: There's other cuts top meditate on [12:06]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896982 << the... 'smarter' ( i hesitate to use this word, perhaps 'less retarded..' ? ) winblows folx, long ago threw out av.. [12:06]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you. [12:06]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896996 << if there exists somewhere a 800+kLoc proggy that ~aint~ a tower o'shit, i have yet to see or even hear of it [12:08]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:45 mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!" [12:08]
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf [12:45]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:13 diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ [12:45]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity [12:46]
diana_coman: paging ave1 - do you have any idea re compiling GNAT with musl WITH sjlj? see thread above [12:46]
diana_coman: uhm, and ave1's blog thinks I'm a spammer and won't let me comment... [12:50]
PeterL: bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again? [12:51]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i notice you were building 'aarch64' ? this was on rk ? [13:23]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: were you attempting to build ~x64~ gnat on this ? ftr i was never able to ( with classic zxc variant, this was long before the current thread ) [13:24]
asciilifeform: ( 'move_insn' seems to be the peephole optimizer on back end. i gotta wonder if it ended up being fed a x64 .o by the linker, and choked on ~that~ ) [13:28]
asciilifeform: the choke point is an assert, seen at bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8yKzH/?raw=true snippet [13:30]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, this was on smg machine same machine that in same setup just without "--enable-sjlj" option builds the gnat perfectly fine [13:31]
asciilifeform: hm then why aarch64 ? [13:32]
* diana_coman looks [13:32]
asciilifeform: | GPL 2016 (20160515-49) (aarch64-linux-musl) GCC error: | [13:32]
asciilifeform: | in move_insn, at haifa-sched.c:5179 [13:32]
asciilifeform: ^ from diana_coman's pastebarf [13:32]
asciilifeform: aarch64 == arm64, that's the ave1-baked rk gnat [13:33]
diana_coman: hm, do you mean to say it's because/while it tries to build the one for arm? [13:34]
diana_coman: because no, the one installed on the machine and used for the scripts is adacore's [13:34]
diana_coman: but obv during the build, it tries to build for all archs [13:34]
asciilifeform: see what happens if you snip out the aarch64 build ( whether chokes same when building x64 gnat ) [13:35]
diana_coman: makes sense, will try [13:35]
asciilifeform: this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64. [13:36]
diana_coman: ofc it's still a bug but one step forward in figuring out something of this is still useful [13:37]
diana_coman: and yes, I am currently mainly interested in x64 [13:37]
asciilifeform: rright, so lessee if its a gnat bug per se , or only in arm backend. [13:38]
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again? << Next month, I will start at 500 WFF again [13:41]
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : https://archive.is/VP9aF << suggests that sjlj is borked on arm [14:14]
asciilifeform: ( note btw that sjlj on backend is a gcc pheature, rather than particular to gnat -- tho gnat naturally has hooks for it, when in use ) [14:14]
asciilifeform: for the l0gz, the horse's mouth : [14:15]
asciilifeform: 'Fabian Vogt 2014-12-12 15:30:53 UTC If sjlj exceptions are not supported for ARM, shouldn't the configure option be invalid for ARM or at least print a warning? If an option does exist and it simply crashes the compiler during make, it's definitely broken and must be removed.' [14:15]
asciilifeform: 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.' [14:15]
asciilifeform: i.e. maintainer loudly an' abundantly shat from mouth when asked 'wtf' [14:16]
diana_coman: oh hm, on the + it seems at least so far the trouble is indeed on arm only on the big minus, it seems though that the switch I used is not enough in fact i.e. the result still does not have sjlj rts so I still need to see what exactly it wants to actually build the sjlj rts too [14:54]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how didja build, --enable-sjlj-exceptions ? [14:57]
diana_coman: yes [14:57]
diana_coman: if you mean re gnat [14:57]
asciilifeform: aha [14:57]
asciilifeform: iirc ave1's builder is a 2-step thing, so gotta make sure it gets enabled for both [14:58]
diana_coman: that's the switch I gave it let me check in the log too to make sure I didn't dream I actually saw it in there (but for that matter if it didn't, it wouldn't have barfed) [14:58]
diana_coman: for the bootstrapper you mean? [14:58]
asciilifeform: right [14:58]
diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat [15:02]
diana_coman: oh joy [15:02]
asciilifeform: as i guessed , ha [15:02]
asciilifeform: after this you oughta get a sjljistic ave1 gnat. [15:03]
diana_coman: mk, so I'll add then: GCC_BOOTSTRAP_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" [15:04]
diana_coman: GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" [15:04]
diana_coman: but I suspect this is not the end of it because the bootstrap will want additional stuff that it probably doesn't yet have set to have etc [15:05]
asciilifeform: fastest way to find out is prolly to fire it, like-so [15:05]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how long do these take to grind on your box btw ? [15:06]
asciilifeform: make sure you enabled -jXXX or what was it, to use all cores [15:06]
asciilifeform: (when building) [15:07]
diana_coman: full you mean? I didn't time it, more usual left it and came back to it done, but from scratch ~1hour , possibly a bit more than that (less than 2 though) [15:07]
diana_coman: that yes, I did and it is using [15:07]
asciilifeform: aa ok [15:07]
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform when did this, forgot, and then wondered why it grunted for whole night ) [15:07]
diana_coman: aha I remembered the pain from first time when yes, whole night [15:14]
diana_coman: I've started it now with both flags, let's see [15:15]
* diana_coman will bbl [15:18]
* asciilifeform also bbl [15:38]
BingoBoingo: In local developments, the local dorks have figured out how to get the motorized app managed kick scooters to work [16:29]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897027 << yes, absolutely. [19:15]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 17:45 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf [19:15]
mircea_popescu: seems we're en route to discover that all gnat builds depend on ~this one bridge build~ that was done by a meanwhile dead graybeard sometime in 2001. [19:15]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897029 << myeah, eulora suddenly very fucking useful to teh broader community. i have a good mind to add a few months payroll to the goodwill line, because hory shit. [19:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 17:46 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity [19:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897049 << pretty sure there exist aarch64 sjlj compiled kernels. [19:28]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 18:36 asciilifeform: this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64. [19:28]
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/x8D5k << apparently they STILL have the issue in gcc 8. [19:31]
mircea_popescu: ie, gcc broken for long jump on aarch64. [19:32]
mircea_popescu: "The issue is that the code generated for __builtin_longjmp reads a value for x29 (the frame pointer) from the jmp_buf, but the code generated for __builtin_setjmp doesn't actually write x29 to the jmp_buf, leading to corruption of x29 when a longjmp occurs. [19:32]
mircea_popescu: " [19:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sank several hours into the dig and did not find whether 'worked, then broken' or 'never written' [19:37]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897094 << if you actually found this kinda thing, plox to link ( this'd mean the former ) [19:39]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 00:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897049 << pretty sure there exist aarch64 sjlj compiled kernels. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine it was never written, this long jump thing was standardf for a while neh ? [19:39]
mircea_popescu: im lookin im looking [19:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sjlj ? was 'deprecated' Officially, Only A Terrorist(tm) Would Want, was the flavor i got from the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897058 rotters [19:39]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 19:15 asciilifeform: 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.' [19:39]
* asciilifeform finds himself nao also wondering ~what else~ dunwork on arm [19:41]
asciilifeform: ( e.g., ffa, built yes on arm64 using ave1's system, but it's spartan to the point of starvation featurewise) [19:43]
mircea_popescu: yes, but also for say mid 90s to maybe 2000something it was the way to do handling neh [19:47]
asciilifeform: arm64 iirc first released in late obummer reign [19:47]
mircea_popescu: so you're saying "arm came too late, sjlj already indexed" ? [19:48]
asciilifeform: 30 October 2012 apparently. [19:48]
asciilifeform: dig through gnat/gcc sources seems to support hypothesis : [19:49]
asciilifeform: gcc/common/config/arm/arm-common.c: /* Honor the --enable-sjlj-exceptions configure switch. */ [19:49]
asciilifeform: but nuffin re sjlj in gcc/common/config/aarch64/* . [19:50]
mircea_popescu: but i mean, eg ida got support for it cca v6 ? [19:52]
asciilifeform: if arm64 were a completely compat. superset of conventional 'arm7', this would make 0 diff naturally. but seems like it aint [19:52]
mircea_popescu: hm. [19:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ida6 only ate 32bit arm [19:53]
asciilifeform: 64 appeared iirc in 6.3 . [19:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect this is my problem. i don't mentally distinguish aarch64 from arm correctly. [19:53]
asciilifeform: they're as diff as x86 an' x64 [19:53]
asciilifeform: lotsa subtle breakage, cuz the orig wasn't built by thinkin' folx and hence not designed to be 'stretched' [19:54]
asciilifeform: this might also explain why adacorpse Officially distributes arm7 gnat but not arm8 (64) [19:56]
asciilifeform: i.e. the latter is pre-alpha quality [19:56]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897069 << keks. [20:03]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 20:02 diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat [20:03]
* asciilifeform wonders why arm64 even exists, not to mention displaced arm7, cuz afaik you can't actually ~buy~ an arm8 box with >4G of ram in it [20:09]
asciilifeform: for any price [20:09]
asciilifeform: iguess you get 64-bit arithmetics. [20:10]
asciilifeform: but that's pretty much all [20:10]
asciilifeform: ( arm7 == last 32bit , arm8 == arm64 aka aarch64 in gnutardspeak ) [20:11]
mircea_popescu: yet as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893295 ... [20:12]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB. [20:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thread was re mid-2000s lappies. ( i have moar recent ones, which have e.g. 32GB in'em etc ) [20:13]
* mircea_popescu believes the tb ram arm is one of them http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-01#1891303 [20:13]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-01 02:08 asciilifeform: or the pumping stations ( unmarked on maps, cuz 'strategic', but quite visible from street ) [20:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, small ram 64 bit not particularly useful. [20:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not even 'tb', but go an' try to find on market arm box of ~any~ description that eats ordinary socketed dimms [20:13]
asciilifeform: i found ~one~, chinese, for ~more~ than the cost of serious opteron with complete filling. [20:13]
mircea_popescu: right ? [20:13]
asciilifeform: it's outrageous [20:14]
asciilifeform: afaik nuffin keeps standard dimms from working with arm8, any of'em [20:14]
asciilifeform: the electricals are exactly same as for the soldered-down crap [20:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would not go so far as to say 'entirely useless', 2ce the bitness gets you 2ce the rsa speed for same clock. [20:14]
asciilifeform: but still frustrating. [20:15]
mircea_popescu: cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: because FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it dun work worth a shit nor does it do anything, practically speaking. and if it doesn't here, it doesn't re "education" or "politics" or "civil society" or what have you. [20:21]
asciilifeform: recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624158 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719717 [20:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624146 << alpha was already half-dead when hp swallowed compaq, in '02. iirc compaq shitburied it in '01 and sold all rights to intel, who proclaimed the arch now known as 'itanic' as its replacement. [20:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:29 mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. [20:23]
asciilifeform: usg.dept-of-microshit systematically exterminated all the sane archs in late '90s. arm was introduced (from pile of shit 'acorn' in uk) as an 'unprincipled exception' , for pnojeism, which -- try as one might -- dunwork so much on x86 w/ any battery anybody's yet devised [20:24]
asciilifeform: but as i undertand, arm is permitted to 'just barely work', it Would Not Do (tm) for it to compete with intelism on heavy irons , somehow [20:25]
asciilifeform: ( leaving aside the fact that it is a shit arch on multiple levels of design, much like x86, only real diff is that it dun come with 35 yrs of legacy crapola ) [20:26]
asciilifeform: for history aficionados, the opening shot of that slaughter was when sgi was usgized and permitted to swallow cray, and shortly after proclaimed that 'crays' henceforth would be made of pentiums [20:27]
asciilifeform: promptly folded, after pumping remaining moneys into intel pocket [20:27]
asciilifeform: this killed the (very reasonable) 64bit mips. [20:28]
asciilifeform: then they proceeded to wipe out alpha , then hp ( also quite reasonable 'pa-risc' 64-bit irons, i had one ) . [20:28]
asciilifeform: all to try an' prop up the wintel nonsense hegemony. [20:28]
asciilifeform: note that at the time of death, each and erry one of these archs wiped the floor with intel's offering, esp. per-watt [20:29]
asciilifeform: usg as early as in 1980s very muchly disliked the existence of multi-vendor high-perf cpu. was too hard to keep from being sold to untermenschen, see. [20:31]
asciilifeform: phunnily enuff, there is record that chairman of nsa filed an Official protest during the destruction of orig. cray co. [20:34]
asciilifeform: ( at the time nsa was single largest operator of crays ) [20:35]
asciilifeform: phat lotta good it did, tho. [20:35]
asciilifeform: idjit squid swallows own tentacle. [20:37]
* asciilifeform brb,meat [20:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the cardboard "entrepreneurs" don't exist in the us like in the orcistans, as named individuals. they're named... legal persons. [21:29]
mircea_popescu: but everything works exacrtly the same outside of this one detail, specifically as in http://trilema.com/2018/you-know-who-the-best-us-president-was-how-about-andrew-johnson/#selection-317.267-317.1139 [21:30]
mircea_popescu: so yeah, much like retarded russkis go "oh, we too businessmen, gave $dork state income, now he can buy suit" ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 finest example), the ustards are all "oh, gave computing to wintel, can has tech!!!" [21:32]
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise. [21:32]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile -- no they don't have any tech, much like the zimbuzz dun have music. [21:32]
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