Forum logs for 11 Sep 2016
| asciilifeform: | phf: aha, it wasn't 'we', it was just me. | [00:10] |
| asciilifeform: | i even built trb for it. | [00:10] |
| asciilifeform: | but it wouldn't pogo - not without writing the nand flash driver from ~scratch. | [00:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: shoot! yeah. wanted an ingest/??? pair but flubbed it. | [00:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | the wisdom of asciilifeform's eat/shit is now apparent. | [00:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski: i just got the php off my hands, man | [01:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski: and it appears that i no longer have the original tgz. shinohai ? | [01:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news good god is anne holton ugyl. | [01:06] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: no worries | [01:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf who ditched bdsm ? | [01:08] |
| mod6: | <+mircea_popescu> in other news good god is anne holton ugyl. << omg ugh. yah, she's beat. | [01:22] |
| mod6: | ben_vulpes has signed all the patches currently available at the foundation: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9z89i/?raw=true | [01:44] |
| mod6: | his seals have been placed with the others in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seal | [01:45] |
| mod6: | damnit, ignore that url ^ | [01:46] |
| mod6: | http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/ | [01:46] |
| mod6: | is the one ^ | [01:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | !~later tell thestringpuller sorry for the delay, fire over the caddy pics when ready! | [02:17] |
| jhvh1: | pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded. | [02:17] |
| pete_dushenski: | still not clear why it's a 'dilemma' but perhaps time will tell. | [02:17] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://takimag.com/article/life_de_bois_theodore_dalrymple/print#axzz4JvSqDyZi << and now, your moment of langue de bois, fresh from the world of usg.med | [02:23] |
| pete_dushenski: | buffer 3 | [02:23] |
| pete_dushenski: | lol | [02:23] |
| pete_dushenski: | g'nite y'all | [02:23] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up wyrdmantis | [03:17] |
| deedbot: | wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes. | [03:17] |
| Framedragger: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-09-sep-2016#2165677 << hm can you point to an example? couldn't find one | [06:11] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-10 03:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger log rendition of jhv includes > and > in the url ? | [06:11] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: thanks for writing that design document.. http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118965 (nothing new i guess, but just a request for clarification so to speak, and trying to argue both sides, to an extent) | [06:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahhh such lovely weather sunny, balmy... | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | such a pity argentina is inhabited by argentines. | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example. | [08:23] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2016-09-10: [03:36:56] <jhvh1> mircea_popescu: Hrotsvitha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrotsvitha> Hrotsvitha von Gandersheim - Women's History - About.com: <http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medgermansaints/p/hrotsvitha.htm> Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim – FREE Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim ...: <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3446400099.html> | [08:23] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell pete_dushenski Sure I can put you a signed copy of wp-mp up on my site if you still need. | [08:36] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | an' honestly, tis a pleasure to have who to write such stuff for far exceeds any sort of inconvenience in the writing. | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again i dun think i'm the only one. | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand in other lulz, | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006 | [08:52] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006 | [08:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 | [08:53] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006 | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. | [08:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes ingest is angloabomination born 1500s technically it'd be exgest but incomprehensible because barbarians not systematical. anyway, ingest comes from gestus, gerere, which means to carry hence gestant female ie pregnant and so on. | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose ingest/excrete would be the english dysfunctional-but-best pair. | [09:09] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1lWb | [09:48] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in foreign news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c56131990e0970f96eb97df6b794ef42/tumblr_mu97cfMTD41qewacoo4_r2_1280.jpg | [09:57] |
| shinohai: | I wonder if those turtles are infected with Baracktrema obamai | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://sameatschildren.tumblr.com/post/45962915522/do-it-now-guide-to-proper-bra-fit-and-measuring << not altogether a bad guide but the part where even usians figure out their everything is practically useless, often harmful and in any case shouldn't be used might make it into a BingoBoingo xtend ? | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly for teh lulz. | [10:01] |
| Framedragger: | [oh shit, mkj suddenly went from 16gb disk space available to 0 bear with me] | [10:50] |
| * Framedragger | wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check | [10:50] |
| shinohai: | !!up Medow | [10:51] |
| deedbot: | Medow voiced for 30 minutes. | [10:51] |
| Medow: | $register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37 | [10:53] |
| shinohai: | Medow: do it again but replace `$` with !! | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm i thought the wiki got updated. | [10:53] |
| Medow: | !!register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37 | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger toldja. | [10:54] |
| deedbot: | Import failed for C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37. | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | Medow did you upload key to sks servers ? | [10:57] |
| Medow: | No , i didn't | [10:58] |
| Framedragger: | (crazy. i'm dumping the contents of vim buffer through the literal ssh terminal, by hand, 'cause i can't save them and i need to. good times!) | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah do that then | [10:58] |
| shinohai: | I got him covered on that mircea_popescu | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [10:58] |
| asciilifeform: | happy terrorism day, gentlemen. | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE. | [10:59] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118967 | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know it pings me nao automatically alf! | [10:59] |
| asciilifeform: | neato. | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque made it subscribeable. | [10:59] |
| shinohai: | mircea_popescu Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE. <<< never a truer statement has been uttered. | [11:01] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: no objections!! this is good stuff. can't see home partition under `mount` - disk subsystem appears to have failed. (so unfortunately may not be due to bots - yet OR.. things are even more ominous, in which case, fun!) | [11:02] |
| Framedragger: | so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down | [11:02] |
| Framedragger: | gonna learn to host tmsr stuff separately from $random_websites_for_relatives_etc , too collateral damage much | [11:03] |
| Framedragger: | if they send me a letter saying "our network got fucked due to ddos initiated at your ip" imma laugh | [11:04] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, boeck delivers!1111 >> https://threatpost.com/number-of-devices-sharing-private-crypto-keys-up-sharply/120379 << guess of what there is 0 mention, etc. | [11:06] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.is/faRIr << and somehow we missed this gem. 'Trading in the stock of medical device manufacturer St. Jude Medical was halted Friday afternoon after a dramatic drop in its value. That drop was triggered by news of alleged vulnerabilities in the company's cardiac care devices. The vulnerability was disclosed not in a report by the company, but by security researchers partnered with Muddy Waters Capital, an investment fi | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | rm that had "shorted" St. Jude's stock on the information in order to profit from a drop in the stock's value. The researchers at the security firm MedSec chose to take this route to disclosure, MedSec CEO Justine Bone said, to "ensure that St. Jude Medical responds appropriately and with urgency." The partnership with a short-seller is a fundamental departure from the established approach of responsible disclosure normally taken by | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | researchers. But it also represents an approach that bypasses the sort of legal maneuverings and threats, suppression of information, and inaction that have been experienced by researchers who have discovered vulnerabilities in other products. Researchers who discovered a vulnerability in Volkswagen electronic engine locks, for example, were forced to withhold a paper for two years through a court injunction filed by the automaker in | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | 2012.' | [11:08] |
| asciilifeform: | betcha usg is as we speak in the process of writing the ban on 'hackinsider trading' or whatever claptrap. | [11:09] |
| Framedragger: | [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down] therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover | [11:14] |
| Framedragger: | ] | [11:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, there's ~no application one can work on that is going to be as seriously high demand as doing stuff here. people go through entire careers in corporate computer science without ever encountering the sort of omgwtfbbq you get for two week's stay. | [11:16] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo | [11:40] |
| Framedragger: | r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl. | [11:41] |
| Framedragger: | (and ftr hosting a parliament candidate's website on the same server as something to do with tmsr may have been a choice too curious.) | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [11:52] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539584 << lel even that link now seems dead. | [11:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down] therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | and meanwhile i'm chasing some obscure comment blockquoting bug | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | luke-jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #trilema << l0l! he's still in business ?! | [12:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist. | [12:15] |
| shinohai: | O.o | [12:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme know if any of you turn it up anywhere. | [12:16] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitcointalk-database-in-the-wild-for-some-time-now-new-forum-software-years-late/ << Qntra - BitcoinTalk Database In The Wild For Some Time Now, New Forum Software Years Late | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise feel free to you know, stage mock debates/legal proceedings between payment processor ("we sent the txn as contractually obligated") and contracting firm ("we hired you to do the payments, do them") etc etc. | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements. | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | there can by definition exist no meeting of the minds on such shaky, arbitrarily shapeshifting terrains. | [12:23] |
| asciilifeform: | eh hey we observed that the bloody thing doesn't reliably work, eons ago | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes yes. | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but then happily continued to act as if it did. | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | for this money, elliot also observed his pussy crushing doesn't work. went right back to it. | [12:27] |
| * asciilifeform | mutters something about crash landing on island with clitler | [12:28] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these. | [12:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist. | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [12:28] |
| asciilifeform: | either of them. | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/ | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | now that's interesting. | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: would you care to reveal what you transmitted these with ? | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | notrly. | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | well then. | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | but ftr, i only transmitted the first. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | the 2nd appeared out of unknown parts. | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | 2nd from malleatron. | [12:30] |
| shinohai: | Neither show up on the blockchain.info turd | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway you probably should have received a copy. | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | as with my 5btc leesedol bet a while back, and 1,000,001 folks' other examples. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://blockchain.info/search/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc << sees one, not the other. | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i assume mircea_popescu sent out a high-S for scientific purposes ) | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: iirc 'blockchain.info' rejects all high-S. | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | at the door. | [12:42] |
| Framedragger: | [things are back up. also, doing ssh stuff via shitphone sometimes worx.] | [12:45] |
| Framedragger: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#199 << ah, scheiße. unfortunately fix involves rewriting part of the log viewer which is based on regex. (to be clear, my fault entirely, of course). will be done - but not instantaneously, am afraid. thanks. | [12:48] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2016-09-11: [12:23:35] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example. | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? | [12:49] |
| asciilifeform: | jurov ? | [12:50] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: last reply is queued (contains phuctor link) and probably won't show up in trinque's feeder. | [12:52] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: re. "Enemy can spam the channel but each of his packets can be rejected in ~constant time~" - ahh! that clarifies matters for me. will comment on blog later by PC. ttyl | [12:53] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles | [12:54] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: it's more or less deadlocked. | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | regex. guaranteed rewrite. every time. | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh." | [13:11] |
| asciilifeform: | for anyone who, like phf, has been 'waiting for dust to settle', here's (imho) ~impartial summary: mircea_popescu demands one particular aspect of correct gossiptron: repudiability and is willing to newjersyize ('best-effort') everything else. asciilifeform demands that the entire thing have strength on par with the basis crypto. mircea_popescu points out that this building demands an escherian, if you will, brick. asciilifeform - d | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | isputes this. | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | currently it would appear that each is doomed to write own proggy... | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, no! here's my version : | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | of either kind in his production nevertheless he also claims dc is sufficient to sink any attempt to implemnet a gossipd. | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, discussion of specifix there plox, lest we manage to lose the ~only benefit so far, which is to say that nonsensical as it is, at least discussion is all in one place | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i drop this here in attempt to coax the lazy folk to join us on your www. | [13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's been what, two days ? people need time to think. | [13:21] |
| asciilifeform: | hopefully. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | i will add that, despite the ~total impasse, this has been the most enjoyable public dialogue i've partaken in, in quite some time. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the contrary, it's how i'd do it too. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and for the purveyors of domestic bliss, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a858a8f1b81fa051e6b49f2003f305e5/tumblr_nhytfvUjLo1qecl7ro1_1280.jpg | [13:27] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, i must also add that there are potentially other solutions ( e.g., zkp auth.) that do not reduce to 'sh' or 'dc'. | [13:45] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539646 << aha. I'm certain all of us have been reading the exchange. (I hope some made use of !!subscribe to do so) | [14:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 17:21 mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion. | [14:15] |
| * trinque | will join the discussion when he has something that hasn't been said, and not simply to "make voice heard" or "join the debate" | [14:15] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: ^ | [14:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | gossipd requires time. | [14:25] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: fair'nuff. | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | my exhortation here was 'say what has not been said,' not 'moar dakka!' (or however these go.) | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread. | [14:52] |
| asciilifeform: | (is it apparent to the naked eye what it is ?) | [14:52] |
| asciilifeform: | unrelatedly, | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | -- an 'all or nothing transform' (term of art) that, unlike, e.g., rivest's, does not rely on the strength of any hash, nor symmetric cipher, nor imposes algebraic structure. | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma post it once i get a couple of spare hours in which to write it up. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform" | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | epic. | [15:17] |
| asciilifeform: | it is a brain-meltingly simple algo, somewhat like 'v' and inverting the transform with partial info is provably equivalent to halting problem. | [15:17] |
| asciilifeform: | i must wonder now if mircea_popescu came out with same item i did. | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah i had no workable implementation. | [15:20] |
| asciilifeform: | it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet. | [15:20] |
| asciilifeform: | but yes, it is 'freeform' in the sense where no algebraicism (as in rivest's, or the popular OAEP) is imposed, and the output can be as long and entropic as one likes. | [15:21] |
| * mircea_popescu | will gladly read | [15:25] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have. | [15:48] |
| mod6: | well, looks im a bit behind now. | [15:53] |
| * mod6 | catches up | [15:53] |
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| deedbot: | danielpbarron subscribed to http://bravetheworld.com/feed/ | [16:36] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Qntra - Hillary Clinton's Twin Legs Buckle Where Twin Towers Fell | [17:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Updated already! | [17:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~bcstats | [17:12] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429349 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [17:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [17:16] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.13, vol: 4934.09455187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 597.744, vol: 5474.23216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.19, vol: 8992.33187469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.4985, vol: 458276.32550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 603.22, vol: 809.74956593 | Volume-weighted last average: 595.746528034 | [17:16] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation? | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e448afc1e995100d0baf056b881a336/tumblr_ncrdooTK3R1rgqpl0o1_1280.jpg | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing | [17:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | Updated again, prognosis is dim: http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy | [18:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nature has its own nailguns too! | [18:03] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539690 << i used cornall's | [18:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 21:39 phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation? | [18:38] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539692 << that'd be the exact opposite of 'all or nothing', neh? | [18:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet why not "one of" | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng but if it's not known then not so much. | [18:44] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect this is the basic fear that motivates whiteners | [18:45] |
| asciilifeform: | 'they might see my shitrng' | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | very likely. | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not in defense of shit rngs. but why specify something that needn't be. | [18:47] |
| asciilifeform: | the basic error is same tho | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [18:50] |
| asciilifeform: | it is foolish to design for 'what if my rng silently fails'. it is a 'jesus bolt' failure | [18:50] |
| asciilifeform: | as on choppers. | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is true. but it's quite sensible to design for "least possible rules" | [18:50] |
| asciilifeform: | or how plane is not designed to do any particular constructive thing should the wings fall off. | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform: | all emphasis re wings is on ~not falling off~. | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually modern plane is designed to fly if 3 engines fall off etc | [18:52] |
| asciilifeform: | but 0 wings. | [18:52] |
| asciilifeform: | brb | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, i suppose this is neither here nor there. | [18:52] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: ah cool, i think you might've linked that page before | [19:25] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-13#1163124 was the original thread | [19:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-06-13 03:39 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ? | [19:28] |
| phf: | hmm | [20:11] |
| * BingoBoingo | still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's | [21:43] |
| * asciilifeform | also | [21:45] |
| phf: | cheers, i just refreshed the stack so should be less random bot timeouts | [21:46] |
| phf: | i'm pretty sure cmucl's networking/threading interaction is busted. it shouldn't be, for all practical purposes it's an erlang model (green threads, and async io on vm level), but in practice the code is dodgy.. | [21:47] |
| shinohai: | danielpbarron arrested for planting a bomb: http://archive.is/vsGpQ | [22:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nah, danielpbarron doesn't have that droopy eye | [22:29] |
| mod6: | similar! | [22:29] |
| shinohai: | Could be danielpbarron on lsd | [22:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [22:46] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 604.95, vol: 5639.70819372 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 606.03, vol: 6108.4073 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 611.9, vol: 9773.78534644 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.20118, vol: 533758.22160000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 611.3, vol: 791.43526673 | Volume-weighted last average: 603.414412468 | [22:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | !~bcstats | [22:46] |
| jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429383 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 24 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [22:46] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other crickets, http://shop.aketta.com/products/pure-cricket-powder?variant=847196443 << $44 buys you a pound of flour made from 100% milled crickets and has a “deep, earthy, umami flavor with hints of raw cocoa.” | [22:49] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-deal-in-detail-1.3756402 << hard to be 'disruptive' when all you do is make shitty deals with the soi-dissant powers that be. fuckin uber. | [23:01] |
| pete_dushenski: | obviously a 'cap' of 1.5x surge pricing is retarded and doesn't prevent drivers from being yahoos and scamming riders, as happened to yours truly last month in mtl when driver intentionally disobeyed my command and that of his gps toy and intentionally took wrong turn 'by accident' that led to a detour almost doubling the mileage of the trip | [23:03] |
| pete_dushenski: | to uber's credit, i wrote them an email explaining the situation and they refunded me the fare with almost no hassle to speak of. | [23:04] |
| * pete_dushenski | is glad to see ben_vulpes blogging again | [23:05] |
| pete_dushenski: | bloggers of the world, unitit! | [23:06] |
| pete_dushenski: | speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com | [23:10] |
| pete_dushenski: | feel free to comment, clarify, or add. | [23:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://i.imgur.com/fl1n0ib.jpg | [23:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://i.imgur.com/RLdcYxW.png | [23:12] |
| pete_dushenski: | that's portland for yaz | [23:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | bash.contravex.com is also in beta. shinohai and i will be working on it going forward :) | [23:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3779582/Nurse-caught-CCTV-having-sex-dead-disabled-girl-s-waterbed-child-s-grieving-foster-parents-allowed-return-work.html | [23:20] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539612 << still stuck eh... | [23:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 16:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/ | [23:22] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C90E36ACAF227F40884C95FC6304F9AE04201B80CF895400DF9F244788CF79C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.60 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freen | [23:33] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/422D344B23210CB546373993313B4C67217FDCD2A5B473AF0E3D73110F7D1334 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.49 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F | [23:33] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC28A8C915BF048456C5294B50EF4E9D0E032024B46778FF29788CEDE94D7EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on | [23:33] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BD93382E8B0CE07C1F76ACB19483596E3BDB288B5F9C3848B66566790856981A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.160 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on | [23:33] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on | [23:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON! | [23:35] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539721 << i use phf's search reflexively at this point | [23:41] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-12 01:43 BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's | [23:41] |
| ben_vulpes: | is that girl going to fix her irc ever? | [23:54] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs | [23:54] |
| a111: | Logged on 2016-09-11 18:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread. | [23:54] |
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