Forum logs for 31 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu how much do you pay per bithday balloon ? [00:00]
decimation asciilifeform: after Gerhard Frey? [00:00]
asciilifeform nein [00:01]
asciilifeform freya, with her housecat chariot. [00:01]
* asciilifeform thought it was obvious [00:01]
mircea_popescu some very simple math : cheapo chinese copter toy = $100. cessna, $100k. cessna powerplant = 100kW. chinese copter toy = 10W [00:02]
mircea_popescu you're short a degree of magnitude. [00:02]
* decimation 's schooling failed to include Norse myth [00:02]
asciilifeform 'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight [00:02]
asciilifeform compared to pilot [00:02]
mircea_popescu so will your toys. [00:02]
decimation two 180 lb men + full feul for a cessna 152 [00:02]
decimation fuel [00:02]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [00:02]
asciilifeform at any rate, everyone is missing the point [00:03]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/march-bitcoin-foundation-update/ [00:03]
asciilifeform cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale [00:03]
mircea_popescu the degree of magnitude should be the other way. [00:03]
asciilifeform because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces [00:03]
asciilifeform each of which is a toy [00:03]
decimation asciilifeform: except cessna is more efficient at moving horizontally for distance [00:03]
asciilifeform -identical- [00:03]
asciilifeform more efficient, yes [00:03]
asciilifeform vastly [00:03]
asciilifeform but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery) [00:04]
asciilifeform it is a more efficient -product of industry- [00:04]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [00:04]
mircea_popescu half hour flight ? [00:04]
mircea_popescu so basically this can be used for a bus ride ? [00:04]
asciilifeform on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride. [00:04]
decimation ^ could build liquid fuel version [00:04]
mircea_popescu so if all the load is cells, long busride ? [00:05]
asciilifeform have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators [00:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [00:05]
mircea_popescu decimation yes but there's a reason they have bipropellers and quad propellers, rather than thousandprops [00:05]
asciilifeform choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate [00:05]
asciilifeform they are always 'bus' [00:05]
mircea_popescu if you look at the relative size of a plane when it moves from two to four it's abundantly clear what the sweetspot is like [00:05]
decimation or 'skyhook' [00:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles. [00:06]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:06]
asciilifeform immensely difficult -except- in this precise way. [00:06]
decimation actually one could imagine some copters joining the swarm with horizontal attachment [00:06]
mircea_popescu look, a combustion engine works from about half liter to about five. that's what it does. [00:06]
mircea_popescu making a 2 cc combustion engine is more expensive than 1/50 of making a 1000 cc one. [00:07]
mircea_popescu and even this 2 cc combustion engine will beat the shit out of your electrical 10 watt engine [00:07]
decimation ^not the engine but the power source [00:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit. [00:07]
asciilifeform cost - no. [00:07]
mircea_popescu maybe. [00:08]
asciilifeform how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store? [00:08]
asciilifeform why? [00:08]
mircea_popescu or maybe the only reason you think so atm is because you're looking at the dynamic equilibrium of proces as if it were static [00:08]
decimation some folks use gas r/c aircraft and cars [00:08]
asciilifeform in practice, less metal - less cost. [00:08]
mircea_popescu what if the only reason electric seems cheap now is that we don't use it. [00:08]
mircea_popescu decimation tiny turboprop or jet works better than tiny engine yea [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77245 @ 0.00025597 = 19.7724 BTC [+] [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity [00:09]
asciilifeform (to produce the item) [00:09]
mircea_popescu but then we're back to rockets, and sure, "tile of rockets", consider the mechanical problem that got brushed asiude above [00:09]
asciilifeform rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust! [00:09]
asciilifeform at least, not solid-fueled [00:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform peak oil vs peak copper. except peak oil allows an infinity of capacity to be deployed as long as the sum consumption is under X [00:09]
asciilifeform toy propellers - do. [00:09]
mircea_popescu whereas peak copper allows only this much capacity ever being deployed. [00:09]
decimation yeah but both piston & turboprops/jets need golden toilet metallurgy and production [00:10]
mircea_popescu different dynamica, diff price curves. [00:10]
decimation ^ toy jets don't have millisecond adjustable thrust either [00:10]
asciilifeform what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers. [00:10]
asciilifeform we'll get there, or not, regardless. [00:10]
mircea_popescu people who casually do not realise the importance of peak copper in limiting human history are invited to read up on ww2 economic history [00:11]
mircea_popescu or for that matter, greek classical period. [00:11]
asciilifeform peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber. [00:11]
mircea_popescu there's a reason the first coin in the world was a bar of copper. [00:11]
asciilifeform and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted. [00:11]
mircea_popescu it's still a finite supply. [00:11]
asciilifeform naturally. [00:11]
mircea_popescu and i suspect not enough to move economy to your model. [00:11]
mircea_popescu ie : this toy will stay a toy. [00:11]
asciilifeform damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity. [00:12]
asciilifeform it was a wunderwaffen. [00:12]
mircea_popescu you said [00:12]
asciilifeform i don't do eternities. [00:12]
asciilifeform i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive. [00:12]
decimation ^ women children dog cat fly in aluminium tubes with rare metal spinning disks [00:12]
mircea_popescu if that's what it is, you're buying a cessna. [00:12]
* asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna [00:13]
* asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters. [00:13]
* asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one [00:14]
decimation there are actually many uses for a cheap 'skyhook' [00:14]
asciilifeform i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost [00:15]
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asciilifeform but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric' [00:15]
asciilifeform solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings [00:15]
asciilifeform that is, single points of failure in flying machine. [00:15]
asciilifeform so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft. [00:16]
mircea_popescu i suspect this is not akin the myth that 1900s ocean liners had solved a problem since idem. [00:16]
asciilifeform liner - had central point. [00:16]
asciilifeform the whole story of 'titanic' is about this. [00:16]
decimation more like 1024 nuclear-powered lifeboats [00:16]
asciilifeform ^ [00:16]
asciilifeform but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat [00:17]
mircea_popescu yea, until your tile splits in the middle and the halves slam into each other. [00:17]
asciilifeform but only because it takes out all of you at same time. [00:17]
asciilifeform or hey, pilot could split in the middle. [00:17]
decimation asciilifeform: actually as long as the swarm was operating within a short range of ground, there's no reason why it might not connect to a power 'tether' [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00025279 = 14.2359 BTC [-] [00:18]
asciilifeform decimation: tethers in flight are ick [00:18]
asciilifeform got power lines in your street ? [00:18]
asciilifeform we do [00:18]
decimation heh yeah maryland has shit infrastructure [00:18]
asciilifeform zimbabweryland [00:18]
decimation wash dc power 'customers' can be reliably expected to 1.) whine about a single tree branch trimmed by the power company and 2.) whine when the tree knocks out the power [00:19]
asciilifeform my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.' [00:20]
asciilifeform i live with this. [00:20]
BingoBoingo Check out Carl Force's 31337 web design skillz http://carl-41044.logogarden.com/ [00:21]
assbot Engedi LLC Baltimore Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX9GfU ) [00:21]
asciilifeform (live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does) [00:21]
decimation asciilifeform: your cell device? [00:21]
decimation surely you don't pay both comast AND verizon [00:22]
decimation the thought causes bile to rise [00:22]
asciilifeform decimation: nah yet another cell [00:22]
asciilifeform stationary modem that isn't used normally [00:22]
decimation I wonder if telephone modems are still a thing [00:22]
asciilifeform decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went [00:22]
asciilifeform they tore out the copper. [00:22]
asciilifeform illegally. [00:22]
decimation aye [00:23]
decimation the fcc arrested them I'm sure [00:23]
asciilifeform i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here. [00:23]
asciilifeform goes nowhere. [00:23]
asciilifeform last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping [00:23]
asciilifeform but not to rebuild [00:23]
decimation well, the whole thing backfired now that the replacement service was going to be classified title II [00:24]
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asciilifeform decimation: if it does, they probably will be permitted to tear out and melt down the copper [00:25]
asciilifeform winning massively [00:25]
mircea_popescu so stupid that shit anyway. through and through. [00:25]
mircea_popescu aerial cables, bad idea. trees and cable, horrible idea. etc. [00:25]
decimation ^stupid and industrious [00:25]
asciilifeform decimation: right now it's in a kind of limbo [00:25]
mircea_popescu who the fuck heard of not cutting tree branches ? [00:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they cut'em [00:26]
decimation the aerial cables are a result of 1950's era build-out [00:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. tomoror! [00:26]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080496 << some things more apt for burying than others. optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury. [04:37]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080496 << some things more apt for burying than others. optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury. [04:38]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:22:24; asciilifeform: (short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people) [04:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080512 << everytrhing even moderately costly is in severe permanent shortage in the soviet america. the only thing they have in ample supply is "technologies", a la facebook. exactly mirroring the situation of the previous soviets, eating pravda on bread, except "real" pravda on imaginary bread. [04:41]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:31:18; asciilifeform: substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage [04:41]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080521 << lawl. the pathology known as "being an ignorant, primitive indigent" ? complete with basic animism, politico-shamanism and the works ? [04:58]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:35:35; asciilifeform: there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not. [04:58]
mircea_popescu "i have an idea, let's separate church and state. the 'community' is made out of idiots who aren't actually intellectually prepared to have any sort of church yet anyway." [04:58]
mircea_popescu we're fighting the bad ideas of the 1100s by being too stupid to have them yet! [04:59]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080559 << juicy, but i somehow doubt 3d printing's yet there. if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop. [05:01]
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kakobrekla http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html [06:59]
assbot The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cs6ISd ) [06:59]
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mircea_popescu i hadn't read that one. [07:12]
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funkenstein_ great story :) [07:14]
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funkenstein_ buenas dias [07:15]
mircea_popescu " It took mankind a million years to fill one small world and then only fifteen thousand years to fill the rest of the Galaxy." [07:17]
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mircea_popescu if only. humans don't actually breed like that. [07:17]
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funkenstein_ perhaps the galaxy is already filled with something [07:18]
mircea_popescu "dissipated heat?" asked MQ-17J, sarcastically. [07:18]
funkenstein_ assbot, how are galaxies born? [07:20]
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mircea_popescu hahaha win. [07:21]
funkenstein_ lolol [07:21]
mircea_popescu galaxies are "born" like ovules are born. [07:21]
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mircea_popescu whenever the great ovary tears off the packaging off a pre-prepared condom-equivalent. [07:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla btw give danielpbarron wiki access wouldja [07:22]
mircea_popescu he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts. [07:22]
kakobrekla he got it yest. [07:22]
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mircea_popescu ah cool [07:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.0002665 = 13.2984 BTC [+] {2} [07:29]
mircea_popescu asimov's idea of thermic end is kinda bizarre. it doesn't go to 0, it goes to "soup" [07:31]
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mircea_popescu through a process roughly similar to pair generation (which is how we even know black stars exist : spontaneously generated pairs which sum to zero but which are separated by the event horizon result in direct radiation of the black body), it is reasonable to expect even a thermically dead universe to display localised disturbances, permanently. [07:33]
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mircea_popescu which is probably what the universe is in the first place : the big bang was... well... one such event, tiny in its proper scale. [07:34]
funkenstein_ the concept of a universe seeks a proper definition [07:36]
mircea_popescu nah, it's defined alright. "universe" = "the lot that obeys the same laws" [07:36]
funkenstein_ that's a better definition than most [07:37]
mircea_popescu pointedly opposed to the concept of cosmos (the lot of related parts) [07:37]
mircea_popescu a lot of human history can be readily understood by sieving it through the universe-cosmos duality [07:37]
funkenstein_ so if my law is hurricanes spin counterclockwise.. we are now in different universes [07:38]
mircea_popescu except this is just your perception of a fundamental law. [07:38]
mircea_popescu an so your perception of different universes. [07:38]
mircea_popescu fucking incredible how bad the "definitions" peddled by online sites are. [07:39]
mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder how thinking people manage to put up with this indignity. it's really worse than any government bullshit. to not have a dictionary ?! barbarous. [07:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, asimov ends it with an intelligent design thing ? /me is disappoint. [07:41]
mircea_popescu and on that note... laters! [07:41]
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Chillum I want to make a digispark that when plugged in to usb sends a very long password from the eeprom, then erases it several times [18:16]
Chillum eeprom erasure is not perfect but it is better than most mediums [18:16]
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mircea_popescu why even put it in the eeprom at all. [18:17]
Chillum yes that was obvious [18:17]
Chillum it won't have power when it is not plugged in [18:17]
mircea_popescu notbad.jpg [18:18]
Chillum the idea is that you load the key with a password in secure location A, then you got to insecure location B, use it to start a computer and it erases itself [18:18]
mircea_popescu but ... [18:19]
Chillum TPM would be crucial [18:19]
mircea_popescu maybe this hasn't been thoroughly thought through. [18:19]
mircea_popescu what in insecure location b prevents it from making a copy of your key ? [18:19]
Chillum TPM monitored OS, and physical security. You don't want your cold wallet to have its keys in plaintext [18:20]
Chillum it could also be used to send a payload to a system and remove evidence [18:20]
Chillum of what the payload was, or that you had it [18:21]
mircea_popescu seems like a not-so-insecure b. [18:21]
BingoBoingo !up SquirtPrincess [18:21]
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Chillum all passwords can be stolen if you use them, we still use them [18:21]
Chillum the alternative is no password, no need to even steal it [18:22]
mircea_popescu i'm just unsure of what problem you're attacking, but anyway. [18:22]
ascii_field Chillum: tpm is a scam [18:23]
Chillum what problem does a hammer solve? This is a general purpose tool for sending a text payload as a keyboard and erasing itself [18:23]
ascii_field Chillum: it exists solely to 'secure' the system against -you-, the owner. [18:23]
ascii_field for the benefit of microshit [18:23]
mircea_popescu Chillum butif you trusat the tpm in the first place, [18:23]
mircea_popescu why do you even need your cooked digispark [18:23]
Chillum I am sure there is a master key out there [18:23]
mircea_popescu your aproach to security is very strange. [18:23]
Chillum I was thinking the same thing [18:24]
mircea_popescu in any case : a hammer is not a good analogy for your item. [18:24]
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mircea_popescu a self-licking icecream cone perhaps better. [18:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: thread was originally about my dislike for qr and gedankenexperiment involving a more reasonable means of encoding machine-readable bits on paper. [18:24]
mircea_popescu it does... something. [18:24]
mircea_popescu ima catch up on logs in a sec [18:24]
mircea_popescu o hey SquirtPrincess wants to boobs ? [18:25]
Chillum its white hat applications are limited, but lots of black hat applications [18:25]
SquirtPrincess thxs <3 [18:25]
SquirtPrincess sure do [18:26]
mircea_popescu so your prior work ? got a link ? [18:26]
SquirtPrincess i need like 15 mins though <3 [18:26]
mircea_popescu aite. [18:26]
mircea_popescu i'll be here for a while. [18:26]
nubbins` understatement [18:26]
mircea_popescu Chillum isn't that even on the face improbable ? if it doesn't work for one or the other it wouldn't work in general. [18:26]
SquirtPrincess prior work would my niteflirt account or camsdotcom or nakeddotcom work [18:26]
mircea_popescu link. [18:26]
Chillum what do you mean? You could plug it in and it could in a matter of seconds download and install something onto a windoze box and then erase the evididence. Would be useful to any blackhat or penn tester [18:27]
ascii_field Chillum: out of curiosity, why do you take an interest in what happens to winblows boxes ? [18:28]
Chillum people use windows [18:28]
mircea_popescu could be cheaper to just rent a boix. [18:28]
Chillum sad I know [18:28]
* ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it [18:28]
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nubbins` ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it <<< /me did for same [18:28]
ascii_field caring what happens, that is. there is not enough money in the world to pay me to -use- winblows [18:28]
Chillum windows is something victims use [18:29]
nubbins` i used to work with a guy who brought his own mac pro to the office and ran windows in a vm [18:29]
nubbins` no joke [18:29]
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Chillum I need to smoke something [18:29]
mircea_popescu iirc ascii_field did something similar. [18:30]
ascii_field emulators, virtualizers, etc. - many ways to do it [18:30]
ascii_field when must [18:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213650 @ 0.00025559 = 54.6068 BTC [-] {4} [18:31]
ascii_field most folks in the business have a few dedicated physical boxes, also (with removable hdd, segregated net, etc) [18:31]
mircea_popescu https://biancabibiri.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/generoasa.jpg << this, incidentally, is like the icon of poverty. [18:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19ztJbM ) [18:31]
mircea_popescu bad titjob in cheap dress, among a rural setting being transformed into high density "houses". [18:32]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080651 << yeah, exponentially. look at the demographic history of the americas if unconvinced. [18:34]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 11:37:20; nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O [18:34]
ascii_field mircea_popescu et al: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlwg2 << ~30 usd qty. 1 [18:34]
assbot Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLWG2 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdLom3 ) [18:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080655 << but it does EXACTLY model an intelligent designer. quite literally : it is intelligent, and it creates the world as described in bible. [18:36]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 11:43:48; nubbins`: rather than lame ol' intelligent design [18:36]
nubbins` oh pssh, "intelligent design" leaves the construction of said intelligence out of the picture [18:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080671 << i wish they stopped abusing children with this freakshow circus act business. [18:37]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 13:28:56; nubbins`: "I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA [18:37]
nubbins` if they had a good backstory for THAT, maybe [18:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` only because the people normally discussing it lack any experience of intelligence. [18:37]
nubbins` :D [18:37]
nubbins` more like magic design, amirite? [18:37]
mircea_popescu well, as deedee aptly put it, "do with your magic science or something!" [18:38]
mircea_popescu holy shit the only google reference to that is a logs link. [18:38]
nubbins` i ran into this situation twice in the past two days [18:38]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: welcome to the club [18:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, dexter's laboratory was this great show from the 2nd golden age of animation (animaniacs, etc) [18:39]
* ascii_field runs into this daily [18:39]
nubbins` haha [18:39]
mircea_popescu dexter was a boy jenius, his sister dee dee was kind-of a 7 yo model of a valley girl [18:39]
nubbins` eventually google search results for any topic will link to log [18:39]
mircea_popescu and her relation to "technologee" was... well... of this nature. [18:39]
nubbins` ah yes, deedee! [18:39]
nubbins` my laborrahtory! [18:39]
nubbins` incidentally, samurai jack [18:40]
mats Chillum ruined today's logs [18:40]
mircea_popescu he's new. [18:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080673 << ahahahaha [18:41]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 13:29:56; nubbins`: i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5. [18:41]
Chillum don't worry, I will drink the coolaid before too long [18:41]
nubbins` please don't [18:41]
mircea_popescu clearly, this person should be in charge of ^H^H^H used as a front for a thing intended to be marketed to the sort of idiots who like to hear this sort o fnonsense. you know, like randi zuckerberg going to davos. [18:41]
mircea_popescu Chillum think of this place as virginity club. we definitely encourage all the young'uns to keep theirs. [18:42]
mircea_popescu mysteriously, they don't. [18:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, i find it quite morally dubioous and in any case aesthetically abhorrent, to see the structural mental issues of adolescents used in this manner. [18:43]
mats it doesn't have anything to do with koolaid [18:43]
mircea_popescu the teacher telling an insecure teen she's pretty to fuck her at least uses her naturally. the idiots telling this kid he's creative and intelligent and so on are abusing him and going against nature. [18:43]
Chillum it is just an expression which means to accept the ideas of a group [18:44]
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Chillum very few kids are creative or intelligent, but some are [18:44]
mircea_popescu Chillum i thought it had to do with identity. [18:44]
mircea_popescu no kids are either, nor could they be. [18:44]
Chillum adults for that matter [18:44]
mircea_popescu there do certainly exist kids who MIGHT , once they're adults, be creative or intelligent. [18:44]
mircea_popescu but no children can be either creative or intelligent. being childen is a full time job. [18:45]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why there's no more child labour. [18:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205900 @ 0.00024955 = 51.3823 BTC [-] {5} [18:45]
Chillum so Ludwig van Beethoven was not creative until he was an adult? [18:45]
mircea_popescu you're looking for mozart. [18:45]
Chillum Beethoven's musical talent was obvious at a young age [18:46]
Chillum mozart too [18:46]
mircea_popescu sure. [18:46]
mircea_popescu but in b's case that "very young" is mostly 20s. [18:46]
mircea_popescu which yes was rare. [18:46]
mircea_popescu in m's case is more like.,.. 12. but note that his father DID exploit him as a monkey act [18:47]
mircea_popescu with the entire array of ill effects. [18:47]
Chillum I would say the a low percentage of adults are creative or intelligent, and a lower non-zero person of children too [18:47]
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Chillum really clever kids exploit the adults, not the other way around [18:47]
ascii_field notice that nobody plays anything mozart wrote when 12. [18:47]
ascii_field it was good for 12 but bad mozart. [18:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field actually i ocasionally listen to his early stuff. it's not entirely unknoiwn. [18:48]
Chillum I odn't know anyone who play mozart [18:48]
ascii_field i do also [18:48]
mircea_popescu where the heck do you live. [18:48]
ascii_field not -entirely- unknown [18:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it is generally a good way for postgrad level students to practice. [18:48]
ascii_field but not obsess-loved [18:48]
* ascii_field struggles to recall if mircea_popescu had an essay re: mozart's sister [18:49]
mircea_popescu now : mozart may well stand as an exception. the anonymous child with the idiotic "bitcoin website" is no mozart. [18:49]
mircea_popescu he's just an unfortunate soul with an abusive family that's being quite publicly raped. [18:50]
mircea_popescu if we're going to do public rape of children i'd rather see the sexual abuse of little girls, as unseemly that is, than this intellectual outrage. [18:50]
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mircea_popescu mats might be chinese capital realligning for unfathomable reasons. [18:51]
mircea_popescu the russians did a lot of that in the 00s, pushing the various euros for whatever bizarro kremlin reasonings drove the oligarchs [18:52]
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nubbins` so local telco refuses to change the caller id on my landline to business name unless i run copper(!) to the house for $130 setup fee and sign up for a $60/mo POTS [18:52]
mircea_popescu yeah, you actually using landline phones ?! [18:53]
nubbins` jurov i currently have fiber to the door from same telco that includes home phone service [18:53]
nubbins` well, no. cordless phones, dead for ~6 months now. [18:54]
nubbins` so right now i'm paying $30/mo for a phone number i don't use [18:54]
mircea_popescu lolk. [18:54]
* ascii_field actually misses the voice quality of true non-ip landline phone [18:54]
nubbins` and i wanted to change it over to the business [18:54]
nubbins` but i apparently cannot do this [18:54]
mircea_popescu alternatively, make the lease in the corp name. they'll have to do it then. [18:54]
nubbins` what lease? [18:54]
nubbins` :D [18:54]
mircea_popescu you hold the place in some sort of form neh ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu squatting pinkeye ? [18:55]
nubbins` death pledge. [18:55]
mircea_popescu huh ? [18:55]
nubbins` mortgage [18:55]
mircea_popescu rent it to corp. [18:55]
* nubbins` "owns" [18:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, consult a lawyer. [18:55]
mircea_popescu you've unwound a bit of thread that indicates you're unoptimized in more ways than just phones. [18:56]
jurov wtf.. i have both cell and fiber signed on corporation without prob [18:56]
jurov (in my flat) [18:56]
mircea_popescu jurov you don't live in idiotaria, which im starting to think is what columbus actually discovered. [18:56]
nubbins` all i want is internet service to be billed to residential and phone service to be billed to business [18:56]
nubbins` i flatly cannot do this at the same rate as i could if both are residential [18:56]
mircea_popescu that's true. [18:57]
nubbins` this is all that's grinding my gears [18:57]
nubbins` they won't update an entry in a database [18:57]
jurov change your name to Pink Eye :D [18:57]
nubbins` heh :D [18:57]
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mircea_popescu then he could go to a marathon and the announcer could say [18:58]
mircea_popescu and pink eye prints sprints, and he's got it ladies and gentlemen! [18:58]
nubbins` but then the caller id would say "Eye, Pink" [18:58]
nubbins` stink eye sprint company [18:58]
chetty http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/stockton-smart-meters-explode-after-truck-causes-power-surge/ [18:58]
assbot Stockton Smart Meters Explode After Truck Causes Power Surge « CBS Sacramento ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdQ4Z0 ) [18:58]
mircea_popescu you could change your name to Stink the Shrink [18:58]
nubbins` anyway IDGAF about uptime guarantees or *whatever the fuck* makes a business phone cost more [18:59]
mircea_popescu what the hell do those meters do. [18:59]
nubbins` i just want a phone number that i can put in the YP, ya know? [18:59]
mircea_popescu yp ? [18:59]
ascii_field chetty, mircea_popescu: we have these here. [18:59]
ascii_field gsm modem in each. [18:59]
jurov they retransmit keyboard emanations [19:00]
ascii_field there are no longer 'meter men' who come in person to read the number. [19:00]
mircea_popescu jurov wouldn't seem impossible. [19:00]
ascii_field oddly enough, the water meters don't have gsm [19:00]
ascii_field they have short-range radio and a stereotypical 'nsa van' has to come by [19:00]
ascii_field and read a street monthly [19:00]
mircea_popescu cause older ? [19:01]
jurov i have these too. but for whatever reason, dude had to come in anyway and connect it by usb [19:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, a) why wouldn't you surge protect what sounds pretty costly and b) what the fuck is in there to explode. [19:01]
ascii_field a) chinese [19:01]
mircea_popescu jurov whatever reason being you know, need jerbs. [19:01]
ascii_field b) the rectifier [19:01]
mircea_popescu oh oh [19:02]
mircea_popescu yeah, might as well put a rectifier in there if you're going to the trouble of modems and shit [19:02]
ascii_field it's a computerized gadget, like pogo [19:02]
ascii_field runs on dc [19:02]
ascii_field incidentally, has debug port [19:02]
ascii_field (see 'defcon' talk a few yrs ago) [19:02]
chetty just another little piece of the control grid, but apparently this piece is also hazardous to your health and property [19:03]
ascii_field and even in the old days, sc4mz0rz often masqueraded as 'meter men' [19:03]
ascii_field the fine tradition continues today. [19:04]
mircea_popescu !up freeborn [19:04]
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chetty now they can just drive by and tell if anyone is home to case the joint [19:04]
ascii_field chetty: no need to even drive [19:04]
mircea_popescu listen freeborn, get in the wot, and note that as eulora is coming out these coming days, we'll be looking for people to maintain binaries. [19:04]
ascii_field chetty: gsm modem, remember [19:04]
jurov if it used power source design with capacitors, they do explode on overvoltage [19:05]
mircea_popescu ascii_field nah, these days scamzors masquerade as "special agents" [19:05]
ascii_field jurov: incidentally, this is SOP in cheapo dc gadgetry that runs off the mains [19:05]
ascii_field e.g. pNohe chargers [19:05]
chetty well I am sure the data is all there, basement of big buildings and all [19:05]
ascii_field transformerless design [19:05]
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ascii_field very sensitive to spikes [19:05]
mircea_popescu speaking of which bit : the guy made, according to court documents, a very cushy 20k A MONTH. which, let it be noted, is a lot more than media whores a la sam altman actually take home. [19:05]
mircea_popescu now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me [19:06]
mircea_popescu what does the devil have to pay force to love him ? [19:06]
chetty a dime? [19:06]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: he wasn't just working for the 20k [19:06]
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ascii_field but for being man, not muppet [19:06]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:06]
ascii_field if only secretly under his blanket [19:06]
ascii_field there are many who betray for free [19:06]
ascii_field just to have agency [19:06]
ascii_field in ussr - dozens [19:07]
ascii_field (that we even know of) [19:07]
mircea_popescu how many of these are there ? (all of them, within reasonable tolerance). how many of these are more than willing to work under a power's blanket, if that power's powerful, rather than their own ? (a bunch) [19:07]
mircea_popescu and so there we go. [19:07]
ascii_field and thousands of minor malingerers who wanted to do something - anything - to fuck the beast [19:07]
mircea_popescu everyone could have problems. usg's actually got problems. [19:07]
chetty well given that the rule of law is no more, no reason not to have a little 'fun' [19:08]
mircea_popescu and there you have the chief importance of snowden, strategically : he drove home the fear. [19:08]
ascii_field wake me up when it has problems taking half of what i earn. [19:08]
ascii_field and half again of what remains in other ways. [19:08]
mircea_popescu nobody in the usg can do anything anymore. it's not just that i have their home address and i know who their wife is fucking better than them. [19:08]
mircea_popescu it goes all the way to the fucking bones. [19:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170396 @ 0.00025713 = 43.8139 BTC [+] {3} [19:08]
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jurov http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison [19:12]
assbot Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) [19:12]
jurov "When Dave paid John 25 MAK for a workout, every inmate in the yard would take out their notebook and jot down the transaction." [19:12]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha win [19:14]
ascii_field infuriating idiot pretending he invented publicly announced debts [19:14]
ascii_field (sop in ru and probably every prison on the planet since babylon at least0 [19:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field they're new. [19:14]
mircea_popescu next decade, they invent involuntary tattoos [19:14]
mircea_popescu first best ever. [19:14]
ascii_field and, the imbecile - i can understand. the press going along ? [19:15]
mircea_popescu o, that's their job. amplifying stupid is what the press does. [19:16]
trinque motherboard (vice) probably thinks they're being edgy having an article written by Shrem [19:16]
mircea_popescu defo [19:17]
mircea_popescu also, they think they're edgy giving him 50 cans o tuna or w/e they use, [19:17]
mircea_popescu and he's desperate for some capital, because jew boy really thinks that's how you survive prison [19:17]
mircea_popescu etc. [19:17]
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mircea_popescu so these people here... they didn't like the set-up where the half week off for easter didn't bridge twoi weekends, so they called a general strike. [19:18]
mircea_popescu samba si, trabajo no! [19:18]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080875 << sounds like a broad rehash of stuff discussed here/on trilema last year or something. [19:19]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html [19:19]
mircea_popescu not that it's such a big deal to add 2 and 2 and get 4. [19:19]
SquirtPrincess sprry for the delay had unexpected company [19:21]
SquirtPrincess sorry* [19:21]
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mircea_popescu dawg how hard is it to post a link. [19:23]
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mircea_popescu so, link to your prev work ? [19:24]
SquirtPrincess thxs <3 [19:24]
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SquirtPrincess https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype [19:24]
assbot Phone Sex | Lonely waiting for my phone to ring playinon Skype | NiteFlirt Phone Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLsUB ) [19:24]
SquirtPrincess dies that work ? [19:26]
SquirtPrincess does* [19:26]
mircea_popescu no. previous work = pictures of you nude that you have previously published. this is not a 100x100px icon, and it is not a R rated thing. [19:26]
SquirtPrincess k one sec let me see [19:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " This is not akin, for example, to two people using the same model of mobile phone but both having software that is out of date. Rather, the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available." << such a bizarre notion, this. [19:27]
SquirtPrincess cams.com/SQITPRINCESS?fromsearch=1 [19:27]
mircea_popescu how is it not exactly like having ... you know, a router that runs, as Chillum well points out, decade old binaries ? [19:27]
mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess you mean http://graphics.cams.com/images/streamray/streams/SQITPRINCESS.gif ? mno. [19:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJMgc6 ) [19:28]
SquirtPrincess cyea im trying to find an r rated one [19:29]
mircea_popescu you know if you're trying to make a living with this you gotta have them like in a holster. like your business card. [19:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "increases the cost to and adversary and might permit" << [19:30]
mircea_popescu "or simple hoping for the best." << simply ? [19:30]
mircea_popescu because they word about various turds << [19:30]
mircea_popescu if your profession is law enforcement. << that law enforcement should be in scare quotes. [19:31]
mircea_popescu dude you need an editor! [19:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080972 << yup, cutting through it. gentoo box is mostly emerged, [19:33]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:16:34; chetty: well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish [19:33]
SquirtPrincess imgur.com/vT6gLTW,tVEerEx [19:34]
SquirtPrincess that ok ? [19:34]
nubbins` qntra needs an editor and foundation needs some more eyes [19:34]
SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/tVEerEx [19:34]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNzaV ) [19:34]
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mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess well normally no, because it's just a bodypart rather than you know, you. but at any rate, i'm feeling generous so, put ae654537 on your tits, take a picture, report back. [19:35]
SquirtPrincess alright thxs then do i just pm you my BTC address [19:35]
mircea_popescu you can post it here just as well. [19:35]
mircea_popescu that way people can see you've actually been paid. [19:36]
nubbins` dat transparency [19:36]
SquirtPrincess great be back in a min <3 [19:36]
SquirtPrincess i trust you, was checking previous posts <3 [19:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080995 << dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. [19:37]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:21:35; ascii_field: fingers. [19:37]
mircea_popescu be there for the whole day. shit's hard work. [19:37]
nubbins` the true test of touch-typing skill [19:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << consider, if you can do the linear without a cpu, you can do the square one also without a cpu, will need a bank of linear readers instead. the reason this is not done is because bitmap interpretation is cheaper [19:40]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu. [19:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` have you ever lelled at the circumstance that if one ever sees pgp used like we use it, it's invariably with a ridoinculous line-and-a-half signature ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu i guess lots of touch-typist-securitists out there. [19:40]
nubbins` oh man, where did i see the tiniest sig ever the other day... [19:41]
nubbins` it srsly was like 3 lines [19:41]
mircea_popescu i was like... o look how nice, he did that on the toilet. [19:41]
jurov square reader without cpu? thjat is interesting, hope you don't mean scanning line-by-line with linear one? [19:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o look, we progressed to "fictitious exchange" ? [19:44]
mircea_popescu jurov why not ? and no, i said have a bank of them [19:44]
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mircea_popescu but same idea. [19:44]
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pete_dushenski cazalla BingoBoingo for qntra's consideration : http://dpaste.com/0PFR82J [19:45]
assbot dpaste: 0PFR82J: March 31, 2015 article, by pete ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJPwnN ) [19:45]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pity it's the same 2-3 derps that keep pushing it. i recall some goon or other was having fun with them on tardstalk last year. "really, it's not mps fault X scammer touched you" [19:45]
pete_dushenski ^more troubles at bitpay [19:45]
jurov ;;seen evoorhees [19:46]
gribble evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 36 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later [19:46]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski speaking of which, didn't the bowl thing they sponsored ditch the bitcoin logo recently ? [19:47]
pete_dushenski haha! that's the article in fact [19:47]
mircea_popescu ah ok. [19:47]
mircea_popescu lol [19:47]
pete_dushenski i didn't see it in the logs, figured it was freshish [19:47]
mircea_popescu i guess they read the logs, looked up this new word "roi", had a mindblow. [19:47]
mircea_popescu it is fresh enough, sure. i dun think we really give much of a shit about any particular derps, so kinda wide grate. [19:48]
pete_dushenski makes you wonder how business worked before logs were invented [19:48]
pete_dushenski wide grate, yes, and seeing the balloon get pricked is pretty satisfying [19:49]
pete_dushenski http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison << shrem derping from behind bars. [19:52]
assbot Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) [19:52]
pete_dushenski bitcoin+cans of fish = the future of money! [19:52]
mircea_popescu yeah that was in log [19:52]
pete_dushenski oops [19:52]
nubbins` duod do you even ;/ [19:52]
pete_dushenski i wasn't that far down yet! [19:53]
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SquirtPrincess thxs had to find a sharpie that would work uploading now <3 [19:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081143 << this actually happened. once upon a time, to save on money, people working on a very expensive piece of machinery used a power plug slot to connect a data interface. [19:56]
assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:57:59; ascii_field: 'hostile user' connects it to mains. [19:56]
pete_dushenski heya Pierre_Rochard [19:56]
mircea_popescu then a week later the thing blew, because the cleanning lady disconnected the power and the data sockets, and reconnected them backwards. [19:57]
Pierre_Rochard heya pete_dushenski. Contravex gonna sponsor st pete’s bowl this year? [19:57]
pete_dushenski i dunno... [19:58]
pete_dushenski i hear there's this roi thing that businesses are supposed to worry about [19:58]
mircea_popescu lol [19:58]
pete_dushenski i figure it might also apply to self-funded blogs [19:58]
mircea_popescu it's ok, having no income simplifies things :D [19:58]
SquirtPrincess imgur.com/WxUHGwV,WdCWKfE,NA5kWea,MwtIflI#1 [19:59]
Pierre_Rochard nah, VCs give you money so that you stimulate the economy [19:59]
mircea_popescu but anyway, my two bits would be : do not sponsor the stupid shit of the old world. so what if the plebs like to watch basketball ? we don't like plebs. [19:59]
SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/NA5kWea [19:59]
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mircea_popescu invent new shnit, like sponsor kicking around enemy's severed head competition. [19:59]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well only since you stole ben_vulpes's precious time from vanads and repurposed it towards that foundation thingy [19:59]
SquirtPrincess here you go http://imgur.com/WxUHGwV [19:59]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtGCS ) [19:59]
pete_dushenski LOT OF GOOD THAT'S GONNA DO. [19:59]
Pierre_Rochard because you see, one guy buys the sponsorship, ESPN buys some apps, VC makes money, circulate circulate [19:59]
SquirtPrincess address is 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc [20:00]
mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess address ? [20:00]
SquirtPrincess 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc [20:00]
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SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/MwtIflI [20:00]
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Pierre_Rochard my view is bitcoin is a macro-economic phenomena. Advertising it makes as much sense as advertising for a housing crisis in 2005. Throwing away money [20:01]
SquirtPrincess may not be the best but i think the biggest i've seen on here lol [20:01]
pete_dushenski hm, what other sports can b-a sponsor ? i vote for jai alai [20:01]
mircea_popescu well, "best". what's best. [20:01]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski well, sponsor w/e you want, you know ? [20:02]
pete_dushenski true enough. [20:02]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard this is pretty apt actually. [20:02]
mircea_popescu "let's advertise for the industrial revolution111!!!" [20:02]
pete_dushenski but that's step 2, step 1: income! [20:02]
SquirtPrincess well guess that in the eye of the beholder [20:02]
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pete_dushenski sovereign debt needs advertising more than bitcoin [20:03]
Pierre_Rochard pete_dushenski: indeed, larry ellison was not sponsoring America’s Cup boats in the late 70’s [20:03]
pete_dushenski ya, sponsoring is for later in life, post-productive years. like charity. [20:04]
Pierre_Rochard how much did putin pay you for the russian debt informercial you ran earlier? ;) [20:04]
pete_dushenski lol [20:04]
pete_dushenski what is this, "disclose all your interests" day ? [20:05]
nubbins` boost is huge [20:05]
mircea_popescu but yeah, "advertising" will probably survive in the charity part. [20:05]
Pierre_Rochard silly sponsorships aside, here’s where some un-named startups are really derping: http://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology [20:06]
assbot Dan McKinley :: Choose Boring Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1aguSGd ) [20:06]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard my putin pump obviously worked, russia pulled back from 17% to 14% since my article [20:06]
pete_dushenski great success [20:06]
mircea_popescu lol winctory. [20:06]
Pierre_Rochard next conference: pete_dushenski’s russian dacha [20:07]
mircea_popescu dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. du nthink the lot of us would fit. [20:07]
pete_dushenski we can probably squeeze into the penthouse at the four seasons st petersberg [20:08]
Pierre_Rochard well we’ll settle for that then [20:08]
pete_dushenski this is for the 11th conference, ya ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu i dunno that the russians want our moneyz! [20:09]
pete_dushenski well mebbe you should ask them before assuming things. [20:10]
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mircea_popescu hehe i guess [20:11]
mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess yer welcome. [20:11]
SquirtPrincess <3 if you need any more or some kitty shots let me know thxs <3 [20:12]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:14]
mircea_popescu where di you hear about it anyway ? [20:14]
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ben_vulpes [22:00] now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me << keep in mind he came from the DEA, the most notoriously corrupt arm of the militarized 'anti-drug' brigade. [20:21]
ben_vulpes and i suspect this IRS action to be in line with (asciilifeform? decimation? mircea_popescu?)'s forcast that bitcoin will split the g-men who can from the g-men who can't [20:22]
mircea_popescu yeah well... [20:22]
ben_vulpes DEA being very accustomed to "doing things their way", and the IRS wanting a rather tight grip on the bitcoin thing. [20:22]
mircea_popescu i suppose the only thing to do [20:23]
mircea_popescu is a new department. [20:23]
SquirtPrincess sorry was smoking [20:23]
SquirtPrincess i was searching for tits for bits and it was like the 4th or 5th link down [20:24]
mircea_popescu a hey. [20:24]
mircea_popescu so do you make a living at the cam thing ? [20:24]
SquirtPrincess thought forsure i was too late, looked like an old post [20:24]
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SquirtPrincess a living not really but extra income no doubt [20:26]
BingoBoingo dude you need an editor! << I really might, but things are fixed [20:26]
SquirtPrincess some weeks bring 700-800$ and others $100-200 but i only do it part-time [20:26]
mircea_popescu Naphex is running a b-a sanctioned webcam thing, maybe give it a look. [20:27]
mircea_popescu what was it, xotika.tv ? [20:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... gentoo box is mostly emerged, << congrats mircea_popescu ! [20:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: welcome to (what remains of...) gentoo. [20:28]
mircea_popescu lol [20:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. << not arguing that anyone should do this, but that qr as we know it defeats the purpose of optical barrier [20:28]
mircea_popescu such weird times we live [20:28]
asciilifeform because it's as computronic as any wired protocol [20:29]
mircea_popescu srsly, off debian ? is it a dream ? [20:29]
SquirtPrincess yea tits for bits no one's ever online so [20:29]
asciilifeform and in many ways more 'voodoo' [20:29]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i only recently encountered the "qr code in qr code" exploit family [20:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can do the square one also without a cpu, << not qr as we know it!! read the standard, srsly [20:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will recall the discussion was a narrow use case : you print them, you use them etc. [20:29]
asciilifeform or have a pet read it, whoever [20:29]
asciilifeform it's quite complicated. [20:29]
asciilifeform often there is even compression. [20:29]
mircea_popescu nowhere was there any requirement you use the stock thing. [20:30]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ^see gpg'd article above :) [20:30]
SquirtPrincess also if you didn;t get it from my name im a Squirter w/ Triple DDDs [20:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... kicking around enemy's severed head competition. << aztecs have stone patent. [20:30]
jurov i thought the requirement was you're able to visually(or otherwise) check what you're transmitting throught the gap? [20:31]
jurov or are going to learn reading qr? [20:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden. [20:32]
asciilifeform jurov: qr breaks most of what i think of as nice things about barcode [20:32]
asciilifeform e.g., human readable, but even if you can't be bothered to read - there is some rough correspondence between the length and the payload size [20:33]
asciilifeform with qr - no [20:33]
asciilifeform all qr look roughly alike [20:33]
pete_dushenski "Consider this bit of circumstantial evidence which the government which it alleges connects Force to one of his extortion sockpuppets" << this sentence is borked, BingoBoingo [20:33]
asciilifeform qr << and yes, i know what they are used for. but with the transparency they give, may as well be magnetic cards. [20:34]
asciilifeform or floppies. [20:34]
mircea_popescu actually, if you could have < 1kb floppies i'd prolly use those too. [20:35]
asciilifeform you can [20:35]
asciilifeform good with a knife ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu lol [20:35]
asciilifeform but in all seriousness - magstripe [20:36]
asciilifeform is a 1kb floppy. [20:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's the principal advantage set of the qr pass : 1) widely available for cheap 2) limited size. [20:36]
mircea_popescu this doesn't makle them fit for a wife. just, work for some purposes. [20:36]
nubbins` asciilifeform re: uint32_t : 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't include portatronic patch from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html [20:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJV5HM ) [20:37]
mircea_popescu did we end up with the first version control issue ? [20:37]
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mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess so what DO you do for a living ? [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00024739 = 11.6273 BTC [-] [20:39]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitpay-showing-more-signs-of-trouble-no-longer-st-petersburg-bowl-sponsor/ [20:40]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Article up, patch applied to other article [20:40]
pete_dushenski wunderbar! [20:40]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski speaking of which, funny how the spam accounts overflowing reddit (specifically reddit, not any other random social spam platform) with news and commentary about the epocal all-important move of bitpay to waste some money [20:42]
mircea_popescu aren't now filling it with news and commentary about bitpay's neobee-esque failure mere months down the road. [20:43]
SquirtPrincess house work and cam [20:43]
mircea_popescu clearly reddit is a legitimate source of news and commentary where actual people post things that legitimately interest them. [20:43]
mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess what's house work ? like a maid ? [20:43]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu heh. quite. [20:43]
Pierre_Rochard I’ll let y’all know when my paycheck stops clearing [20:44]
mircea_popescu prolly the spring of next year. [20:44]
mircea_popescu kinda how springs work in bitcoin. [20:44]
Pierre_Rochard the old die, the young are born [20:45]
SquirtPrincess no just stay at home clean my house lol [20:45]
Pierre_Rochard ehrm conceived [20:45]
mircea_popescu oh. [20:45]
SquirtPrincess i did call center for a while [20:45]
BingoBoingo Prolly better that the Bitcoin Bowl ends after one game. At least it ended on a very watchable game. [20:45]
SquirtPrincess but f*ck that [20:45]
mircea_popescu does it suck worse than cam ? [20:46]
mircea_popescu and you're allowed to sday fuck [20:46]
SquirtPrincess rather deals w/ dicks online for good $$ then on the phone for tittle winks [20:46]
mircea_popescu doesn't pay so good ? [20:46]
SquirtPrincess deal w/ dicks either way lol [20:46]
Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: indeed, now we have cash for a nascar sponsorship! /s [20:47]
SquirtPrincess not like cams on naked its 4.99 a min and i get 50% [20:47]
Pierre_Rochard (btw bitpay already did that: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-sponsors-nascar-truck-series-driver/ ) [20:47]
assbot BitPay Sponsors NASCAR Truck Series Driver ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWCh6 ) [20:47]
BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: I know BitPay is in the South, but... that seems a bit lowbrow... [20:47]
mircea_popescu so like 150 an hour or so... not bad. almost what force made. [20:48]
Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: “this demo doesn’t know anything about btc, clearly should be our target!” [20:49]
mircea_popescu in fairness, bitpay is probably the better in that space, on a purely ops/technical perspectrive. [20:49]
mircea_popescu coinbase srsly doesn't know what it's doing. [20:50]
BingoBoingo The great appeal of American Football is exactly a gladiator show. A gladiator show where fighting is disallowed, the competitors wear personal protective gear, and they are charged some how in spite of that still crippling their opposition. It is grand and it appeals across classes. [20:50]
BingoBoingo BitPay really should have just sprung for a New Years Day bowl game. [20:50]
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Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: well, both made it this far. As for technical side, it is an engineering tour de force to build a semi-functional accounting system on mongodb documents and node.js, no doubt [20:51]
mircea_popescu heh, [20:52]
Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: I would’ve opted for golf. Surely has highest % of decision-making people [20:53]
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mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard definitely. but i dunno who's in charge of spends there. they have nfi what the job even is. [20:53]
ben_vulpes a bitcoin messiah'd do pretty well in the south. [20:54]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: they were let go [20:54]
mircea_popescu oic. [20:54]
ben_vulpes "it's gold! that the government can't take! or stop you sending!" [20:54]
ben_vulpes barring of course rectowhateverwhatever [20:54]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo on my qntra article there, it looks a bit odd on the front page without a "continue reading" link... [20:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes, if you're ready to drop 100mn on this, pick some random christian rock band from mobile, make a movie about the lead vocal, send them on tour, [20:54]
mircea_popescu a year later you've got dixiebitcoin in your pocket. [20:54]
mircea_popescu prolly not worth the 100mn, but hey. [20:55]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo golf, or tennis! [20:55]
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kakobrekla anything that has to do with little balls. [20:55]
mircea_popescu tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. [20:55]
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mircea_popescu ahahahaha kakobrekla [20:55]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: fixd [20:56]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo cool beans [20:56]
Pierre_Rochard alas, whatever the chairman/ceo is interested in is what gets sponsored. Those fancy seats ain’t free! [20:56]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla thems the decision makers! [20:56]
BingoBoingo tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. << Gold and Tennis are too expensive. Also no one watches tennis, bet only sport. [20:56]
pete_dushenski i know a buncha old dudes who watch (and play) tennis [20:57]
BingoBoingo Play yes, Bet yes, watch... rare [20:58]
pete_dushenski it's bnn (business news network) during the day, hockey in the evenings [20:58]
pete_dushenski tennis/golf on the weekends [20:58]
pete_dushenski they're all well heeled too [20:58]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 100m, though? [20:58]
BingoBoingo Now hockey maybe. All kinds of people can afford to sponsor hockey, also the ball is small and flat. [20:58]
pete_dushenski i don't see a lot of them making and taking bets, but they might have bookies. [20:58]
ben_vulpes just convince the band that it's god's gift to free humanity. [20:58]
ben_vulpes find the charismatic dude and convince him that he's the nth coming. [20:59]
ben_vulpes must be the murderous type, though. [20:59]
pete_dushenski in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies [20:59]
pete_dushenski i dunno what it is about dentists and gambling, but they seem to be bosom pals [20:59]
BingoBoingo in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies << Dentists are also junkies. In his first year dentisting at the medicaid clinic my brother has twice has had other dentists forge prescriptions for themselves off of his numbers. [21:01]
pete_dushenski notbad.jpg [21:01]
BingoBoingo All together probably half a million dollars and 16 years of higher education time has been flushed by people who don't realize my brother is a boring square. [21:02]
pete_dushenski but a rich one! [21:03]
pete_dushenski assuming he's practising [21:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo people who don't dare tell the bitchy jewish princess girlfriend to moan like kournikova watch tennis. [21:03]
SquirtPrincess thx<3 [21:04]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yeah. [21:04]
mircea_popescu 100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas. [21:05]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: If he was rich already he'd work his own practice. He's just high income. Still in his first year, hence medicaid clinic with a bunch of doctors who don't know pharmacists are snitches. [21:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here. [21:05]
pete_dushenski lel [21:06]
pete_dushenski wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ? [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025006 = 6.7266 BTC [+] [21:06]
pete_dushenski jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better [21:06]
pete_dushenski jap = 'jewish american princess' [21:07]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo eh well let's give him a few years [21:07]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs. [21:09]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't want a schmuck, and i want him to have ideas. [21:10]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But, "High Income" profession [21:10]
ben_vulpes muhammed scale ideas. [21:10]
BingoBoingo America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse. [21:13]
pete_dushenski aaaand i'm off! [21:15]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [21:21]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.98, vol: 8041.90359442 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 240.96, vol: 10548.80132 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.4, vol: 22341.3479467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 252.13, vol: 14.17978055 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.896382, vol: 128550.65720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 244.42198, vol: 1.026009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.013049, vol: 50.57372473 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [21:21]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism. [21:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire [21:35]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [21:35]
BingoBoingo I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing. [21:36]
BingoBoingo Just the line were drawn stupidly because the British and French wanted "parity" [21:37]
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BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski OH back already? [21:38]
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pete_dushenski for 2 seconds! [21:38]
pete_dushenski because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs! [21:38]
pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/FhAsviT << kakobrekla mircea_popescu [21:38]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWPm6z ) [21:38]
pete_dushenski log1 normal, log.bitcoin-assets.com bizarelly borked [21:39]
mircea_popescu lolwut [21:39]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ownered box ? [21:39]
pete_dushenski bizarrely* [21:39]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy at that. [21:40]
pete_dushenski and it changes when you refresh [21:40]
mircea_popescu shtylman, i was trying to recall that fucktard's name. the guy with the hat. [21:40]
mircea_popescu obv kakobrekla made an april fool's joke that blew up because he forgot log1 :D [21:40]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Calendar [21:41]
mircea_popescu but it is pretty lulzy lol [21:41]
pete_dushenski lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!" [21:42]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK [21:42]
pete_dushenski sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy" [21:42]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Best log error evar [21:43]
pete_dushenski alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow! [21:44]
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mod6 <+BingoBoingo> kakobrekla: Best log error evar << that is pretty good hehe [21:46]
BingoBoingo I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success [21:47]
mod6 did he fake me out last year? [21:47]
mod6 *didn't [21:47]
mod6 one year i got gotten iirc [21:48]
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BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis [21:56]
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BingoBoingo http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/31/switch_flasks_switch_products.php << Tiny differences [21:57]
assbot Switch Flasks, Switch Products. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWSmjf ) [21:57]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/ [22:09]
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BingoBoingo !b 2 test [22:09]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R4ZRB8.txt ) [22:09]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [22:22]
gribble Current Blocks: 350168 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50216839506.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.49031 [22:22]
BingoBoingo nefario: Thinking about taking up Burnside's BTC-TC code sale? [22:23]
nubbins` i'll buy it if he doesn't [22:23]
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BingoBoingo lol gigavps [22:25]
BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis [22:26]
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mod6 <+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. << what os/arch? [22:32]
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mod6 yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into. [22:33]
mod6 many of us were able to build, not just me this time ;) [22:33]
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danielpbarron i think that was me, and it's most likely a problem with my computer [22:34]
mod6 there is a version number in the top of the auto.sh script, which version are you using? [22:34]
mod6 oh. ok. [22:34]
mod6 it's all good now? [22:34]
danielpbarron my computer? no [22:35]
mod6 :/ aight [22:35]
danielpbarron ironically enough, the same computer that successfully built bitcoind for pogo way back when the project first began [22:36]
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BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard [22:38]
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nubbins` afaik asciilifeform is compiling on gentoo [22:38]
danielpbarron i am also on gentoo [22:38]
nubbins` not sure if he's targeting the same, or the pogo via portatronic [22:38]
mod6 so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading... [22:38]
nubbins` i suspect the latter [22:38]
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mod6 ok, so remember, version that we have for auto.sh (v0.0.5 & v0.0.5-32) are NOT to be used for cross compiling. [22:39]
mod6 if you wanna do that cross compiling stuff, you gotta use ascii's original one. [22:39]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865245.msg10935804#msg10935804 [22:39]
assbot 2 missing users ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJQRkZ ) [22:39]
mod6 we really need two branches of code now i think. [22:42]
mod6 these projects are diverging. [22:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: (cc: hanbot) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966287.msg10563582#msg10563582 [22:42]
assbot Alt Convention - 8-10 October Batumi Georgia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJR9sl ) [22:42]
nubbins` ah, i think it's a bit early for that [22:42]
nubbins` the two auto.sh are close enough [22:43]
mod6 iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea. [22:43]
mod6 anyway, food for thought. [22:43]
nubbins` yeah [22:44]
BingoBoingo platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split [22:44]
nubbins` ^ this [22:44]
nubbins` so far, at least, i think there's only minor changes needed for the various platforms [22:44]
nubbins` or isolated changes, at least. [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283450 @ 0.00024996 = 70.8512 BTC [-] {5} [22:45]
trinque if it's small stuff should be able to ifdef it [22:49]
BingoBoingo hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while [22:49]
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asciilifeform i was building amd64 [22:52]
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asciilifeform using published release auto.sh [22:52]
asciilifeform barfs on all of my boxes [22:52]
asciilifeform in the same way (the integers thing) [22:52]
asciilifeform batumi << wtf is 'alternative income' ? [22:54]
nubbins` my buildroot cross-toolchain was still no good, boost needed large file support :o [22:55]
* nubbins` compiling again [22:55]
danielpbarron nubbins`> what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? << ArchLinux [22:56]
danielpbarron if you mean my test pogos [22:57]
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mod6 asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. [22:57]
BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis [22:58]
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asciilifeform mod6: may have to do with gcc version [22:58]
danielpbarron nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt [22:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4IvOg ) [22:58]
mod6 most of our testing we were successful with seemed to be gcc 4.4.5 [22:58]
asciilifeform unrelated, someone needs to take ben_vulpes's rm_rf_upnp patch and turn that into a separate executable that does upnp. [22:59]
mod6 the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something [22:59]
mod6 something downlevel anyway [22:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self. [22:59]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:undeadly.org gcc [22:59]
gribble New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: ; BSD Licensed PCC Compiler Imported - OpenBSD Journal: ; Developer Blog: Large Piece of PIE - OpenBSD Journal: [22:59]
BingoBoingo ;;google openbsd.org gcc man [23:00]
gribble gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: ; 2 - Getting to know OpenBSD: ; OpenBSD 5.5: [23:00]
thestringpuller I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it. [23:00]
mod6 BingoBoingo: all of this was very recently tested on gentoo. both 64 & 32 bit. [23:00]
mod6 You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? [23:00]
BingoBoingo mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris. [23:01]
BingoBoingo You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? << Not better, just vastly different targets [23:01]
mod6 what about all the "linux is dead" memes? [23:02]
nubbins` risc os is alive [23:02]
asciilifeform mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade [23:02]
asciilifeform nubbins`: msdos is considerably more alive than riscos [23:03]
mod6 what if gentoo adopts systemd next week? [23:03]
asciilifeform mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed [23:03]
trinque the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier [23:03]
mod6 (is it the only hold out left?) [23:03]
asciilifeform ^ [23:03]
mod6 oh. ok, didn't even know that. [23:04]
BingoBoingo Also some gentoo people spent enough time on OpenRC that OpenRC cannot be easily disappeared [23:04]
asciilifeform a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not [23:04]
mod6 i've used gentoo exactly 2x: for testing bitcoind hah [23:04]
asciilifeform so you could say it already 'adopted.' [23:04]
trinque mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc [23:05]
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mod6 someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe [23:05]
asciilifeform mod6: exists [23:05]
asciilifeform https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd [23:06]
assbot Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4K3ry ) [23:06]
mod6 ah good deal, thanks. [23:06]
trinque gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude [23:06]
trinque by breaking and unbreaking his system [23:06]
nubbins` asciilifeform i kid :D [23:08]
trinque anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? [23:09]
trinque "page updated 2006" lol [23:09]
asciilifeform 2006 << wai wat [23:10]
asciilifeform where? [23:10]
trinque https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable [23:10]
assbot Gentoo Linux Documentation [23:10]
trinque redirect from the new site to that from the google result [23:10]
asciilifeform aha [23:10]
trinque wikipedia says it's on hiatus with no citation [23:10]
trinque must be true [23:10]
trinque anyhow it's a nice thought [23:11]
BingoBoingo trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware [23:11]
trinque portage is really what I love, not so much gentoo linux [23:11]
trinque BingoBoingo: yeh looks like abandonware [23:11]
trinque ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage [23:11]
trinque that imo is the killer feature [23:11]
asciilifeform trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures' [23:12]
trinque mhm [23:12]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/ [23:12]
asciilifeform that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade [23:12]
BingoBoingo that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy" [23:13]
asciilifeform portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict [23:13]
trinque ^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself [23:14]
BingoBoingo And trying to walk someone through that is/(would be) hell [23:14]
trinque pkg_add can be "friendlier" in terms of happily pulling down all kinds of deps [23:14]
trinque I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" [23:14]
asciilifeform trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage [23:15]
asciilifeform and hammer things in by hand [23:15]
asciilifeform never -once- used pkg_add [23:15]
asciilifeform or what it was. [23:15]
BingoBoingo I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" << in my limited experience mostly involves checking version of packages of building with delete key [23:16]
trinque I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated [23:18]
trinque rather, should something attempt violation [23:18]
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trinque in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing [23:20]
BingoBoingo What, fail deadly is a thing. [23:21]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16241 [23:21]
assbot Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJV3kI ) [23:21]
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asciilifeform when do we get a 'second cock solutions' ? [23:22]
asciilifeform does 'third key' not immediately evoke an unwelcome interloper to everyone ? [23:22]
asciilifeform i can hardly think of a less-appetizing name for anything! [23:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242 [23:23]
assbot Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJVhbK ) [23:23]
BingoBoingo It invokes interloper [23:23]
decimation asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list' [23:24]
BingoBoingo Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers [23:24]
decimation but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key [23:24]
BingoBoingo in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing << Knowing that a thing fails deadly is a value all its own. [23:25]
asciilifeform decimation: any lock on which you find an engraved number, is this [23:25]
asciilifeform the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks [23:25]
decimation some locks are neigh 'unpickable' too [23:25]
asciilifeform these get mutilated. [23:25]
decimation point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys [23:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?! [23:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and not ru 5.45 ? [23:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet [23:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi [23:28]
asciilifeform *export [23:28]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Later than that [23:28]
BingoBoingo 1980's [23:28]
asciilifeform !up ebriusinanis [23:28]
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decimation was it built for their little brown brothers in vietnam? [23:28]
BingoBoingo Built too late for 'Nam. [23:29]
BingoBoingo To my knowledge [23:29]
decimation usg was hustled by the vietnamese [23:31]
decimation most of their 'allies' were communist moles [23:31]
asciilifeform ^ well-documented [23:32]
decimation wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56 [23:32]
asciilifeform at any rate, it could well have been produced for 'next vietnam' [23:32]
BingoBoingo Type-03 and others in their "export version" are so chambered [23:32]
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asciilifeform the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56 [23:33]
decimation I'm sure israel has 5.56 ammo plants [23:33]
asciilifeform the other near east. [23:33]
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decimation http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63189 [23:34]
assbot Small Caliber Ammunition [23:34]
BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_CQ [23:34]
assbot Norinco CQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWfVo ) [23:34]
decimation the iranians probably manage it too [23:34]
decimation lol why do the chinese bother to make an m4gery [23:37]
BingoBoingo Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's [23:37]
decimation heh not for long http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/31/pentagon-halts-sale-f-14-parts-coveted-by-iran/ [23:38]
assbot Pentagon Halts Sale of F-14 Parts Coveted by Iran | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWAau ) [23:38]
decimation ^ re: ascii's point about modern jets being part of a large industrial base [23:38]
asciilifeform see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara [23:38]
BingoBoingo decimation: Remember that direct sale of parts to Iran has been halted since Ayatollas have been a thing. Iran has had plenty of time to improvise machine shops [23:39]
decimation there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine [23:40]
asciilifeform not only metallurgy. [23:40]
asciilifeform american jets are heavy on semiconductor crapolade [23:41]
decimation usg knows precisely which necks to squeeze [23:41]
asciilifeform running hell knows what. [23:41]
decimation the swiss were famous for re-writing the f-16 code from the ground up [23:41]
BingoBoingo https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz [23:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what precisely is this ? [23:45]
asciilifeform and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored. [23:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list [23:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ? [23:46]
BingoBoingo But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state [23:46]
asciilifeform because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries [23:46]
asciilifeform (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere) [23:47]
asciilifeform ^ good qntra project ? [23:47]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools" [23:47]
asciilifeform they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance [23:47]
decimation I'm amused that usg distinguishes between 'proprietary' and 'private' [23:49]
decimation which I take to mean "submits to usg T/F" [23:49]
BingoBoingo ^ [23:50]
BingoBoingo Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors [23:50]
BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis [23:51]
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decimation right, and the reason for 'disinterest' is because they expect usg to make them whole [23:51]
BingoBoingo Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia [23:52]
BingoBoingo List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list [23:54]
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ebriusinanis you guys still have school? i thought you had ipad nao? [23:58]
ebriusinanis oh look, he's swiping [23:59]
BingoBoingo ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint [23:59]
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