Forum logs for 31 Mar 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu | how much do you pay per bithday balloon ? | [00:00] |
decimation | asciilifeform: after Gerhard Frey? | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | nein | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | freya, with her housecat chariot. | [00:01] |
* | asciilifeform thought it was obvious | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | some very simple math : cheapo chinese copter toy = $100. cessna, $100k. cessna powerplant = 100kW. chinese copter toy = 10W | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | you're short a degree of magnitude. | [00:02] |
* | decimation 's schooling failed to include Norse myth | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | 'cessna' lifts a good bit of own weight | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | compared to pilot | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | so will your toys. | [00:02] |
decimation | two 180 lb men + full feul for a cessna 152 | [00:02] |
decimation | fuel | [00:02] |
BingoBoingo | scoopbot -fetch | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | at any rate, everyone is missing the point | [00:03] |
scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/march-bitcoin-foundation-update/ | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | cessna is piss-poor for economy of scale | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | the degree of magnitude should be the other way. | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | because it doesn't break into 10,000 identical pieces | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | each of which is a toy | [00:03] |
decimation | asciilifeform: except cessna is more efficient at moving horizontally for distance | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | -identical- | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | more efficient, yes | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | vastly | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | but so long as freyacopter could possibly work (and there is no reason why the machines currently existing, with about 1:1 useful lift to own weight ratio and around 1/2hr of endurance on standard battery) | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | it is a more efficient -product of industry- | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | thinkaboutit | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | half hour flight ? | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | so basically this can be used for a bus ride ? | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | on standard cell. if some of the load is added cells - longer ride. | [00:04] |
decimation | ^ could build liquid fuel version | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | so if all the load is cells, long busride ? | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | have tiles which are batteries only. or even small generators | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: aha | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | decimation yes but there's a reason they have bipropellers and quad propellers, rather than thousandprops | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | choppers aren't meant to cross continents, at any rate | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | they are always 'bus' | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | if you look at the relative size of a plane when it moves from two to four it's abundantly clear what the sweetspot is like | [00:05] |
decimation | or 'skyhook' | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: in as far as i am able to ascertain the reason, it appears to be because no one has suggested tiles. | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | immensely difficult -except- in this precise way. | [00:06] |
decimation | actually one could imagine some copters joining the swarm with horizontal attachment | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | look, a combustion engine works from about half liter to about five. that's what it does. | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | making a 2 cc combustion engine is more expensive than 1/50 of making a 1000 cc one. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | and even this 2 cc combustion engine will beat the shit out of your electrical 10 watt engine | [00:07] |
decimation | ^not the engine but the power source | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: performance - will beat the shit. | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | cost - no. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | maybe. | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | how many gasoline-powered toys at your local toy store? | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | why? | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | or maybe the only reason you think so atm is because you're looking at the dynamic equilibrium of proces as if it were static | [00:08] |
decimation | some folks use gas r/c aircraft and cars | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | in practice, less metal - less cost. | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | what if the only reason electric seems cheap now is that we don't use it. | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | decimation tiny turboprop or jet works better than tiny engine yea | [00:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77245 @ 0.00025597 = 19.7724 BTC [+] | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: this depends on whether there is reserve capacity | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | (to produce the item) | [00:09] |
mircea_popescu | but then we're back to rockets, and sure, "tile of rockets", consider the mechanical problem that got brushed asiude above | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | rockets don't have millisecond-adjustable thrust! | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | at least, not solid-fueled | [00:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform peak oil vs peak copper. except peak oil allows an infinity of capacity to be deployed as long as the sum consumption is under X | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | toy propellers - do. | [00:09] |
mircea_popescu | whereas peak copper allows only this much capacity ever being deployed. | [00:09] |
decimation | yeah but both piston & turboprops/jets need golden toilet metallurgy and production | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | different dynamica, diff price curves. | [00:10] |
decimation | ^ toy jets don't have millisecond adjustable thrust either | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | what will happen to the parts when 'peak x' is reached for every element in mendeleev table is an interesting question, but unlikely to get there purely by virtue of making toy choppers. | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | we'll get there, or not, regardless. | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | people who casually do not realise the importance of peak copper in limiting human history are invited to read up on ww2 economic history | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | or for that matter, greek classical period. | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | peak copper is already here. except that massive drop in demand on account of fiber. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | there's a reason the first coin in the world was a bar of copper. | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | and fucktons of cable waiting to be melted. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | it's still a finite supply. | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | naturally. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | and i suspect not enough to move economy to your model. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | ie : this toy will stay a toy. | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | damnit, it wasn't to fly every man woman child dog cat around for the next eternity. | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | it was a wunderwaffen. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | you said | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | i don't do eternities. | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | i do the next few years i'm likely to remain alive. | [00:12] |
decimation | ^ women children dog cat fly in aluminium tubes with rare metal spinning disks | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | if that's what it is, you're buying a cessna. | [00:12] |
* | asciilifeform can't afford even the back half of a cessna | [00:13] |
* | asciilifeform but probably could afford 10,000 1kg lifters. | [00:13] |
* | asciilifeform fortunately doesn't need to fly around the neighbourhood very much, so gedankenexperiment can stay one | [00:14] |
decimation | there are actually many uses for a cheap 'skyhook' | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | i also must say that the idea appeals to me not only because of cost | [00:15] |
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asciilifeform | but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric' | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | solving, potentially, a problem unsolved since daedalus's wings | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | that is, single points of failure in flying machine. | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | so long as you have sufficient spare tiles - you stay aloft. | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | i suspect this is not akin the myth that 1900s ocean liners had solved a problem since idem. | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | liner - had central point. | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | the whole story of 'titanic' is about this. | [00:16] |
decimation | more like 1024 nuclear-powered lifeboats | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | but sure, if you get hit by big enough object (rocket, mountain, hell - the ground) - splat | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | yea, until your tile splits in the middle and the halves slam into each other. | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | but only because it takes out all of you at same time. | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | or hey, pilot could split in the middle. | [00:17] |
decimation | asciilifeform: actually as long as the swarm was operating within a short range of ground, there's no reason why it might not connect to a power 'tether' | [00:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00025279 = 14.2359 BTC [-] | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: tethers in flight are ick | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | got power lines in your street ? | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | we do | [00:18] |
decimation | heh yeah maryland has shit infrastructure | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | zimbabweryland | [00:18] |
decimation | wash dc power 'customers' can be reliably expected to 1.) whine about a single tree branch trimmed by the power company and 2.) whine when the tree knocks out the power | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | my fiber goes through several trees. it is only a matter of time until 'day x.' | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | i live with this. | [00:20] |
BingoBoingo | Check out Carl Force's 31337 web design skillz http://carl-41044.logogarden.com/ | [00:21] |
assbot | Engedi LLC Baltimore Maryland ... ( http://bit.ly/1EX9GfU ) | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | (live how? fallback isp. sorta like what mircea_popescu does) | [00:21] |
decimation | asciilifeform: your cell device? | [00:21] |
decimation | surely you don't pay both comast AND verizon | [00:22] |
decimation | the thought causes bile to rise | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | decimation: nah yet another cell | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | stationary modem that isn't used normally | [00:22] |
decimation | I wonder if telephone modems are still a thing | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | decimation: specifically -not- where verizon fiber went | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | they tore out the copper. | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | illegally. | [00:22] |
decimation | aye | [00:23] |
decimation | the fcc arrested them I'm sure | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | i have a thick hanging severed limb of it here. | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | goes nowhere. | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | but not to rebuild | [00:23] |
decimation | well, the whole thing backfired now that the replacement service was going to be classified title II | [00:24] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: if it does, they probably will be permitted to tear out and melt down the copper | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | winning massively | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | so stupid that shit anyway. through and through. | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | aerial cables, bad idea. trees and cable, horrible idea. etc. | [00:25] |
decimation | ^stupid and industrious | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | decimation: right now it's in a kind of limbo | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck heard of not cutting tree branches ? | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: they cut'em | [00:26] |
decimation | the aerial cables are a result of 1950's era build-out | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, that's all for me. tomoror! | [00:26] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080496 << some things more apt for burying than others. optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury. | [04:37] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080496 << some things more apt for burying than others. optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury. | [04:38] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 03:22:24; asciilifeform: (short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people) | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080512 << everytrhing even moderately costly is in severe permanent shortage in the soviet america. the only thing they have in ample supply is "technologies", a la facebook. exactly mirroring the situation of the previous soviets, eating pravda on bread, except "real" pravda on imaginary bread. | [04:41] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 03:31:18; asciilifeform: substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage | [04:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00025627 = 16.8626 BTC [-] | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080521 << lawl. the pathology known as "being an ignorant, primitive indigent" ? complete with basic animism, politico-shamanism and the works ? | [04:58] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 03:35:35; asciilifeform: there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not. | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | "i have an idea, let's separate church and state. the 'community' is made out of idiots who aren't actually intellectually prepared to have any sort of church yet anyway." | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | we're fighting the bad ideas of the 1100s by being too stupid to have them yet! | [04:59] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080559 << juicy, but i somehow doubt 3d printing's yet there. if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop. | [05:01] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 04:09:07; ben_vulpes: fuel, oxidizer etc delivered through capillary tubes | [05:01] |
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kakobrekla | http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html | [06:59] |
assbot | The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cs6ISd ) | [06:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137400 @ 0.0002651 = 36.4247 BTC [+] {2} | [07:02] |
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mircea_popescu | i hadn't read that one. | [07:12] |
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funkenstein_ | great story :) | [07:14] |
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funkenstein_ | buenas dias | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | " It took mankind a million years to fill one small world and then only fifteen thousand years to fill the rest of the Galaxy." | [07:17] |
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mircea_popescu | if only. humans don't actually breed like that. | [07:17] |
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funkenstein_ | perhaps the galaxy is already filled with something | [07:18] |
mircea_popescu | "dissipated heat?" asked MQ-17J, sarcastically. | [07:18] |
funkenstein_ | assbot, how are galaxies born? | [07:20] |
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assbot | INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER. | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | hahaha win. | [07:21] |
funkenstein_ | lolol | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | galaxies are "born" like ovules are born. | [07:21] |
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mircea_popescu | whenever the great ovary tears off the packaging off a pre-prepared condom-equivalent. | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla btw give danielpbarron wiki access wouldja | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts. | [07:22] |
kakobrekla | he got it yest. | [07:22] |
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mircea_popescu | ah cool | [07:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.0002665 = 13.2984 BTC [+] {2} | [07:29] |
mircea_popescu | asimov's idea of thermic end is kinda bizarre. it doesn't go to 0, it goes to "soup" | [07:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00026674 = 12.2967 BTC [+] | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | through a process roughly similar to pair generation (which is how we even know black stars exist : spontaneously generated pairs which sum to zero but which are separated by the event horizon result in direct radiation of the black body), it is reasonable to expect even a thermically dead universe to display localised disturbances, permanently. | [07:33] |
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mircea_popescu | which is probably what the universe is in the first place : the big bang was... well... one such event, tiny in its proper scale. | [07:34] |
funkenstein_ | the concept of a universe seeks a proper definition | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | nah, it's defined alright. "universe" = "the lot that obeys the same laws" | [07:36] |
funkenstein_ | that's a better definition than most | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | pointedly opposed to the concept of cosmos (the lot of related parts) | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | a lot of human history can be readily understood by sieving it through the universe-cosmos duality | [07:37] |
funkenstein_ | so if my law is hurricanes spin counterclockwise.. we are now in different universes | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | except this is just your perception of a fundamental law. | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | an so your perception of different universes. | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | fucking incredible how bad the "definitions" peddled by online sites are. | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | sometimes i wonder how thinking people manage to put up with this indignity. it's really worse than any government bullshit. to not have a dictionary ?! barbarous. | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, asimov ends it with an intelligent design thing ? /me is disappoint. | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | and on that note... laters! | [07:41] |
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mircea_popescu | !up | [18:16] |
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Chillum | I want to make a digispark that when plugged in to usb sends a very long password from the eeprom, then erases it several times | [18:16] |
Chillum | eeprom erasure is not perfect but it is better than most mediums | [18:16] |
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mircea_popescu | why even put it in the eeprom at all. | [18:17] |
Chillum | yes that was obvious | [18:17] |
Chillum | it won't have power when it is not plugged in | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | notbad.jpg | [18:18] |
Chillum | the idea is that you load the key with a password in secure location A, then you got to insecure location B, use it to start a computer and it erases itself | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | but ... | [18:19] |
Chillum | TPM would be crucial | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | maybe this hasn't been thoroughly thought through. | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | what in insecure location b prevents it from making a copy of your key ? | [18:19] |
Chillum | TPM monitored OS, and physical security. You don't want your cold wallet to have its keys in plaintext | [18:20] |
Chillum | it could also be used to send a payload to a system and remove evidence | [18:20] |
Chillum | of what the payload was, or that you had it | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | seems like a not-so-insecure b. | [18:21] |
BingoBoingo | !up SquirtPrincess | [18:21] |
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Chillum | all passwords can be stolen if you use them, we still use them | [18:21] |
Chillum | the alternative is no password, no need to even steal it | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | i'm just unsure of what problem you're attacking, but anyway. | [18:22] |
ascii_field | Chillum: tpm is a scam | [18:23] |
Chillum | what problem does a hammer solve? This is a general purpose tool for sending a text payload as a keyboard and erasing itself | [18:23] |
ascii_field | Chillum: it exists solely to 'secure' the system against -you-, the owner. | [18:23] |
ascii_field | for the benefit of microshit | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | Chillum butif you trusat the tpm in the first place, | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | why do you even need your cooked digispark | [18:23] |
Chillum | I am sure there is a master key out there | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | your aproach to security is very strange. | [18:23] |
Chillum | I was thinking the same thing | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | in any case : a hammer is not a good analogy for your item. | [18:24] |
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mircea_popescu | a self-licking icecream cone perhaps better. | [18:24] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: thread was originally about my dislike for qr and gedankenexperiment involving a more reasonable means of encoding machine-readable bits on paper. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | it does... something. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | ima catch up on logs in a sec | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | o hey SquirtPrincess wants to boobs ? | [18:25] |
Chillum | its white hat applications are limited, but lots of black hat applications | [18:25] |
SquirtPrincess | thxs <3 | [18:25] |
SquirtPrincess | sure do | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | so your prior work ? got a link ? | [18:26] |
SquirtPrincess | i need like 15 mins though <3 | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | aite. | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | i'll be here for a while. | [18:26] |
nubbins` | understatement | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | Chillum isn't that even on the face improbable ? if it doesn't work for one or the other it wouldn't work in general. | [18:26] |
SquirtPrincess | prior work would my niteflirt account or camsdotcom or nakeddotcom work | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | link. | [18:26] |
Chillum | what do you mean? You could plug it in and it could in a matter of seconds download and install something onto a windoze box and then erase the evididence. Would be useful to any blackhat or penn tester | [18:27] |
ascii_field | Chillum: out of curiosity, why do you take an interest in what happens to winblows boxes ? | [18:28] |
Chillum | people use windows | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | could be cheaper to just rent a boix. | [18:28] |
Chillum | sad I know | [18:28] |
* | ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it | [18:28] |
SquirtPrincess | https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype. | [18:28] |
assbot | Phone Sex | The Best Phone Sex & Live Web Cam | NiteFlirt ... ( http://bit.ly/19zsEB0 ) | [18:28] |
nubbins` | ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it <<< /me did for same | [18:28] |
ascii_field | caring what happens, that is. there is not enough money in the world to pay me to -use- winblows | [18:28] |
Chillum | windows is something victims use | [18:29] |
nubbins` | i used to work with a guy who brought his own mac pro to the office and ran windows in a vm | [18:29] |
nubbins` | no joke | [18:29] |
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Chillum | I need to smoke something | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | iirc ascii_field did something similar. | [18:30] |
ascii_field | emulators, virtualizers, etc. - many ways to do it | [18:30] |
ascii_field | when must | [18:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213650 @ 0.00025559 = 54.6068 BTC [-] {4} | [18:31] |
ascii_field | most folks in the business have a few dedicated physical boxes, also (with removable hdd, segregated net, etc) | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | https://biancabibiri.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/generoasa.jpg << this, incidentally, is like the icon of poverty. | [18:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/19ztJbM ) | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | bad titjob in cheap dress, among a rural setting being transformed into high density "houses". | [18:32] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080651 << yeah, exponentially. look at the demographic history of the americas if unconvinced. | [18:34] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 11:37:20; nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O | [18:34] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu et al: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlwg2 << ~30 usd qty. 1 | [18:34] |
assbot | Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLWG2 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdLom3 ) | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080655 << but it does EXACTLY model an intelligent designer. quite literally : it is intelligent, and it creates the world as described in bible. | [18:36] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 11:43:48; nubbins`: rather than lame ol' intelligent design | [18:36] |
nubbins` | oh pssh, "intelligent design" leaves the construction of said intelligence out of the picture | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080671 << i wish they stopped abusing children with this freakshow circus act business. | [18:37] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 13:28:56; nubbins`: "I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA | [18:37] |
nubbins` | if they had a good backstory for THAT, maybe | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` only because the people normally discussing it lack any experience of intelligence. | [18:37] |
nubbins` | :D | [18:37] |
nubbins` | more like magic design, amirite? | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | well, as deedee aptly put it, "do with your magic science or something!" | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit the only google reference to that is a logs link. | [18:38] |
nubbins` | i ran into this situation twice in the past two days | [18:38] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: welcome to the club | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, dexter's laboratory was this great show from the 2nd golden age of animation (animaniacs, etc) | [18:39] |
* | ascii_field runs into this daily | [18:39] |
nubbins` | haha | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | dexter was a boy jenius, his sister dee dee was kind-of a 7 yo model of a valley girl | [18:39] |
nubbins` | eventually google search results for any topic will link to log | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | and her relation to "technologee" was... well... of this nature. | [18:39] |
nubbins` | ah yes, deedee! | [18:39] |
nubbins` | my laborrahtory! | [18:39] |
nubbins` | incidentally, samurai jack | [18:40] |
mats | Chillum ruined today's logs | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | he's new. | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080673 << ahahahaha | [18:41] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 13:29:56; nubbins`: i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5. | [18:41] |
Chillum | don't worry, I will drink the coolaid before too long | [18:41] |
nubbins` | please don't | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | clearly, this person should be in charge of ^H^H^H used as a front for a thing intended to be marketed to the sort of idiots who like to hear this sort o fnonsense. you know, like randi zuckerberg going to davos. | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | Chillum think of this place as virginity club. we definitely encourage all the young'uns to keep theirs. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | mysteriously, they don't. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i find it quite morally dubioous and in any case aesthetically abhorrent, to see the structural mental issues of adolescents used in this manner. | [18:43] |
mats | it doesn't have anything to do with koolaid | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | the teacher telling an insecure teen she's pretty to fuck her at least uses her naturally. the idiots telling this kid he's creative and intelligent and so on are abusing him and going against nature. | [18:43] |
Chillum | it is just an expression which means to accept the ideas of a group | [18:44] |
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Chillum | very few kids are creative or intelligent, but some are | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | Chillum i thought it had to do with identity. | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | no kids are either, nor could they be. | [18:44] |
Chillum | adults for that matter | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | there do certainly exist kids who MIGHT , once they're adults, be creative or intelligent. | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | but no children can be either creative or intelligent. being childen is a full time job. | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | this, incidentally, is why there's no more child labour. | [18:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205900 @ 0.00024955 = 51.3823 BTC [-] {5} | [18:45] |
Chillum | so Ludwig van Beethoven was not creative until he was an adult? | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | you're looking for mozart. | [18:45] |
Chillum | Beethoven's musical talent was obvious at a young age | [18:46] |
Chillum | mozart too | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | but in b's case that "very young" is mostly 20s. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | which yes was rare. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | in m's case is more like.,.. 12. but note that his father DID exploit him as a monkey act | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | with the entire array of ill effects. | [18:47] |
Chillum | I would say the a low percentage of adults are creative or intelligent, and a lower non-zero person of children too | [18:47] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [18:47] |
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Chillum | really clever kids exploit the adults, not the other way around | [18:47] |
ascii_field | notice that nobody plays anything mozart wrote when 12. | [18:47] |
ascii_field | it was good for 12 but bad mozart. | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field actually i ocasionally listen to his early stuff. it's not entirely unknoiwn. | [18:48] |
Chillum | I odn't know anyone who play mozart | [18:48] |
ascii_field | i do also | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | where the heck do you live. | [18:48] |
ascii_field | not -entirely- unknown | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field it is generally a good way for postgrad level students to practice. | [18:48] |
ascii_field | but not obsess-loved | [18:48] |
* | ascii_field struggles to recall if mircea_popescu had an essay re: mozart's sister | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | now : mozart may well stand as an exception. the anonymous child with the idiotic "bitcoin website" is no mozart. | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | he's just an unfortunate soul with an abusive family that's being quite publicly raped. | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | if we're going to do public rape of children i'd rather see the sexual abuse of little girls, as unseemly that is, than this intellectual outrage. | [18:50] |
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mircea_popescu | mats might be chinese capital realligning for unfathomable reasons. | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | the russians did a lot of that in the 00s, pushing the various euros for whatever bizarro kremlin reasonings drove the oligarchs | [18:52] |
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mircea_popescu | !up SquirtPrincess | [18:52] |
-assbot- | You voiced SquirtPrincess for 30 minutes. | [18:52] |
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nubbins` | so local telco refuses to change the caller id on my landline to business name unless i run copper(!) to the house for $130 setup fee and sign up for a $60/mo POTS | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, you actually using landline phones ?! | [18:53] |
nubbins` | jurov i currently have fiber to the door from same telco that includes home phone service | [18:53] |
nubbins` | well, no. cordless phones, dead for ~6 months now. | [18:54] |
nubbins` | so right now i'm paying $30/mo for a phone number i don't use | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | lolk. | [18:54] |
* | ascii_field actually misses the voice quality of true non-ip landline phone | [18:54] |
nubbins` | and i wanted to change it over to the business | [18:54] |
nubbins` | but i apparently cannot do this | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | alternatively, make the lease in the corp name. they'll have to do it then. | [18:54] |
nubbins` | what lease? | [18:54] |
nubbins` | :D | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | you hold the place in some sort of form neh ? | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | squatting pinkeye ? | [18:55] |
nubbins` | death pledge. | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | huh ? | [18:55] |
nubbins` | mortgage | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | rent it to corp. | [18:55] |
* | nubbins` "owns" | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, consult a lawyer. | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | you've unwound a bit of thread that indicates you're unoptimized in more ways than just phones. | [18:56] |
jurov | wtf.. i have both cell and fiber signed on corporation without prob | [18:56] |
jurov | (in my flat) | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you don't live in idiotaria, which im starting to think is what columbus actually discovered. | [18:56] |
nubbins` | all i want is internet service to be billed to residential and phone service to be billed to business | [18:56] |
nubbins` | i flatly cannot do this at the same rate as i could if both are residential | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | that's true. | [18:57] |
nubbins` | this is all that's grinding my gears | [18:57] |
nubbins` | they won't update an entry in a database | [18:57] |
jurov | change your name to Pink Eye :D | [18:57] |
nubbins` | heh :D | [18:57] |
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mircea_popescu | then he could go to a marathon and the announcer could say | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | and pink eye prints sprints, and he's got it ladies and gentlemen! | [18:58] |
nubbins` | but then the caller id would say "Eye, Pink" | [18:58] |
nubbins` | stink eye sprint company | [18:58] |
chetty | http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/stockton-smart-meters-explode-after-truck-causes-power-surge/ | [18:58] |
assbot | Stockton Smart Meters Explode After Truck Causes Power Surge « CBS Sacramento ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdQ4Z0 ) | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | you could change your name to Stink the Shrink | [18:58] |
nubbins` | anyway IDGAF about uptime guarantees or *whatever the fuck* makes a business phone cost more | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | what the hell do those meters do. | [18:59] |
nubbins` | i just want a phone number that i can put in the YP, ya know? | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | yp ? | [18:59] |
ascii_field | chetty, mircea_popescu: we have these here. | [18:59] |
ascii_field | gsm modem in each. | [18:59] |
jurov | they retransmit keyboard emanations | [19:00] |
ascii_field | there are no longer 'meter men' who come in person to read the number. | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | jurov wouldn't seem impossible. | [19:00] |
ascii_field | oddly enough, the water meters don't have gsm | [19:00] |
ascii_field | they have short-range radio and a stereotypical 'nsa van' has to come by | [19:00] |
ascii_field | and read a street monthly | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | cause older ? | [19:01] |
jurov | i have these too. but for whatever reason, dude had to come in anyway and connect it by usb | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, a) why wouldn't you surge protect what sounds pretty costly and b) what the fuck is in there to explode. | [19:01] |
ascii_field | a) chinese | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | jurov whatever reason being you know, need jerbs. | [19:01] |
ascii_field | b) the rectifier | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | oh oh | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, might as well put a rectifier in there if you're going to the trouble of modems and shit | [19:02] |
ascii_field | it's a computerized gadget, like pogo | [19:02] |
ascii_field | runs on dc | [19:02] |
ascii_field | incidentally, has debug port | [19:02] |
ascii_field | (see 'defcon' talk a few yrs ago) | [19:02] |
chetty | just another little piece of the control grid, but apparently this piece is also hazardous to your health and property | [19:03] |
ascii_field | and even in the old days, sc4mz0rz often masqueraded as 'meter men' | [19:03] |
ascii_field | the fine tradition continues today. | [19:04] |
mircea_popescu | !up freeborn | [19:04] |
-assbot- | You voiced freeborn for 30 minutes. | [19:04] |
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chetty | now they can just drive by and tell if anyone is home to case the joint | [19:04] |
ascii_field | chetty: no need to even drive | [19:04] |
mircea_popescu | listen freeborn, get in the wot, and note that as eulora is coming out these coming days, we'll be looking for people to maintain binaries. | [19:04] |
ascii_field | chetty: gsm modem, remember | [19:04] |
jurov | if it used power source design with capacitors, they do explode on overvoltage | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field nah, these days scamzors masquerade as "special agents" | [19:05] |
ascii_field | jurov: incidentally, this is SOP in cheapo dc gadgetry that runs off the mains | [19:05] |
ascii_field | e.g. pNohe chargers | [19:05] |
chetty | well I am sure the data is all there, basement of big buildings and all | [19:05] |
ascii_field | transformerless design | [19:05] |
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ascii_field | very sensitive to spikes | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | speaking of which bit : the guy made, according to court documents, a very cushy 20k A MONTH. which, let it be noted, is a lot more than media whores a la sam altman actually take home. | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | what does the devil have to pay force to love him ? | [19:06] |
chetty | a dime? | [19:06] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: he wasn't just working for the 20k | [19:06] |
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ascii_field | but for being man, not muppet | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [19:06] |
ascii_field | if only secretly under his blanket | [19:06] |
ascii_field | there are many who betray for free | [19:06] |
ascii_field | just to have agency | [19:06] |
ascii_field | in ussr - dozens | [19:07] |
ascii_field | (that we even know of) | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | how many of these are there ? (all of them, within reasonable tolerance). how many of these are more than willing to work under a power's blanket, if that power's powerful, rather than their own ? (a bunch) | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | and so there we go. | [19:07] |
ascii_field | and thousands of minor malingerers who wanted to do something - anything - to fuck the beast | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | everyone could have problems. usg's actually got problems. | [19:07] |
chetty | well given that the rule of law is no more, no reason not to have a little 'fun' | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | and there you have the chief importance of snowden, strategically : he drove home the fear. | [19:08] |
ascii_field | wake me up when it has problems taking half of what i earn. | [19:08] |
ascii_field | and half again of what remains in other ways. | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | nobody in the usg can do anything anymore. it's not just that i have their home address and i know who their wife is fucking better than them. | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | it goes all the way to the fucking bones. | [19:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170396 @ 0.00025713 = 43.8139 BTC [+] {3} | [19:08] |
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jurov | http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison | [19:12] |
assbot | Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) | [19:12] |
jurov | "When Dave paid John 25 MAK for a workout, every inmate in the yard would take out their notebook and jot down the transaction." | [19:12] |
mircea_popescu | ahahahaha win | [19:14] |
ascii_field | infuriating idiot pretending he invented publicly announced debts | [19:14] |
ascii_field | (sop in ru and probably every prison on the planet since babylon at least0 | [19:14] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field they're new. | [19:14] |
mircea_popescu | next decade, they invent involuntary tattoos | [19:14] |
mircea_popescu | first best ever. | [19:14] |
ascii_field | and, the imbecile - i can understand. the press going along ? | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | o, that's their job. amplifying stupid is what the press does. | [19:16] |
trinque | motherboard (vice) probably thinks they're being edgy having an article written by Shrem | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | defo | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | also, they think they're edgy giving him 50 cans o tuna or w/e they use, | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | and he's desperate for some capital, because jew boy really thinks that's how you survive prison | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | etc. | [19:17] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ascii_field | [19:17] |
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mircea_popescu | so these people here... they didn't like the set-up where the half week off for easter didn't bridge twoi weekends, so they called a general strike. | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | samba si, trabajo no! | [19:18] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080875 << sounds like a broad rehash of stuff discussed here/on trilema last year or something. | [19:19] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html | [19:19] |
mircea_popescu | not that it's such a big deal to add 2 and 2 and get 4. | [19:19] |
SquirtPrincess | sprry for the delay had unexpected company | [19:21] |
SquirtPrincess | sorry* | [19:21] |
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mircea_popescu | dawg how hard is it to post a link. | [19:23] |
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mircea_popescu | !up SquirtPrincess | [19:23] |
-assbot- | You voiced SquirtPrincess for 30 minutes. | [19:23] |
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mircea_popescu | so, link to your prev work ? | [19:24] |
SquirtPrincess | thxs <3 | [19:24] |
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SquirtPrincess | https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype | [19:24] |
assbot | Phone Sex | Lonely waiting for my phone to ring playinon Skype | NiteFlirt Phone Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLsUB ) | [19:24] |
SquirtPrincess | dies that work ? | [19:26] |
SquirtPrincess | does* | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | no. previous work = pictures of you nude that you have previously published. this is not a 100x100px icon, and it is not a R rated thing. | [19:26] |
SquirtPrincess | k one sec let me see | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo " This is not akin, for example, to two people using the same model of mobile phone but both having software that is out of date. Rather, the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available." << such a bizarre notion, this. | [19:27] |
SquirtPrincess | cams.com/SQITPRINCESS?fromsearch=1 | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | how is it not exactly like having ... you know, a router that runs, as Chillum well points out, decade old binaries ? | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess you mean http://graphics.cams.com/images/streamray/streams/SQITPRINCESS.gif ? mno. | [19:28] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJMgc6 ) | [19:28] |
SquirtPrincess | cyea im trying to find an r rated one | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | you know if you're trying to make a living with this you gotta have them like in a holster. like your business card. | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo "increases the cost to and adversary and might permit" << | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | "or simple hoping for the best." << simply ? | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | because they word about various turds << | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | if your profession is law enforcement. << that law enforcement should be in scare quotes. | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | dude you need an editor! | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080972 << yup, cutting through it. gentoo box is mostly emerged, | [19:33] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 20:16:34; chetty: well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish | [19:33] |
SquirtPrincess | imgur.com/vT6gLTW,tVEerEx | [19:34] |
SquirtPrincess | that ok ? | [19:34] |
nubbins` | qntra needs an editor and foundation needs some more eyes | [19:34] |
SquirtPrincess | http://imgur.com/tVEerEx | [19:34] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNzaV ) | [19:34] |
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mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess well normally no, because it's just a bodypart rather than you know, you. but at any rate, i'm feeling generous so, put ae654537 on your tits, take a picture, report back. | [19:35] |
SquirtPrincess | alright thxs then do i just pm you my BTC address | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu | you can post it here just as well. | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu | that way people can see you've actually been paid. | [19:36] |
nubbins` | dat transparency | [19:36] |
SquirtPrincess | great be back in a min <3 | [19:36] |
SquirtPrincess | i trust you, was checking previous posts <3 | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080995 << dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. | [19:37] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 20:21:35; ascii_field: fingers. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | be there for the whole day. shit's hard work. | [19:37] |
nubbins` | the true test of touch-typing skill | [19:39] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << consider, if you can do the linear without a cpu, you can do the square one also without a cpu, will need a bank of linear readers instead. the reason this is not done is because bitmap interpretation is cheaper | [19:40] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu. | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` have you ever lelled at the circumstance that if one ever sees pgp used like we use it, it's invariably with a ridoinculous line-and-a-half signature ? | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | i guess lots of touch-typist-securitists out there. | [19:40] |
nubbins` | oh man, where did i see the tiniest sig ever the other day... | [19:41] |
nubbins` | it srsly was like 3 lines | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | i was like... o look how nice, he did that on the toilet. | [19:41] |
jurov | square reader without cpu? thjat is interesting, hope you don't mean scanning line-by-line with linear one? | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo o look, we progressed to "fictitious exchange" ? | [19:44] |
mircea_popescu | jurov why not ? and no, i said have a bank of them | [19:44] |
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mircea_popescu | but same idea. | [19:44] |
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pete_dushenski | cazalla BingoBoingo for qntra's consideration : http://dpaste.com/0PFR82J | [19:45] |
assbot | dpaste: 0PFR82J: March 31, 2015 article, by pete ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJPwnN ) | [19:45] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo pity it's the same 2-3 derps that keep pushing it. i recall some goon or other was having fun with them on tardstalk last year. "really, it's not mps fault X scammer touched you" | [19:45] |
pete_dushenski | ^more troubles at bitpay | [19:45] |
jurov | ;;seen evoorhees | [19:46] |
gribble | evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 36 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: |
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mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski speaking of which, didn't the bowl thing they sponsored ditch the bitcoin logo recently ? | [19:47] |
pete_dushenski | haha! that's the article in fact | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | ah ok. | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:47] |
pete_dushenski | i didn't see it in the logs, figured it was freshish | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | i guess they read the logs, looked up this new word "roi", had a mindblow. | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | it is fresh enough, sure. i dun think we really give much of a shit about any particular derps, so kinda wide grate. | [19:48] |
pete_dushenski | makes you wonder how business worked before logs were invented | [19:48] |
pete_dushenski | wide grate, yes, and seeing the balloon get pricked is pretty satisfying | [19:49] |
pete_dushenski | http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison << shrem derping from behind bars. | [19:52] |
assbot | Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E ) | [19:52] |
pete_dushenski | bitcoin+cans of fish = the future of money! | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | yeah that was in log | [19:52] |
pete_dushenski | oops | [19:52] |
nubbins` | duod do you even ;/ | [19:52] |
pete_dushenski | i wasn't that far down yet! | [19:53] |
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mircea_popescu | !up SquirtPrincess | [19:54] |
-assbot- | You voiced SquirtPrincess for 30 minutes. | [19:54] |
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SquirtPrincess | thxs had to find a sharpie that would work uploading now <3 | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081143 << this actually happened. once upon a time, to save on money, people working on a very expensive piece of machinery used a power plug slot to connect a data interface. | [19:56] |
assbot | Logged on 31-03-2015 20:57:59; ascii_field: 'hostile user' connects it to mains. | [19:56] |
pete_dushenski | heya Pierre_Rochard | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | then a week later the thing blew, because the cleanning lady disconnected the power and the data sockets, and reconnected them backwards. | [19:57] |
Pierre_Rochard | heya pete_dushenski. Contravex gonna sponsor st pete’s bowl this year? | [19:57] |
pete_dushenski | i dunno... | [19:58] |
pete_dushenski | i hear there's this roi thing that businesses are supposed to worry about | [19:58] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:58] |
pete_dushenski | i figure it might also apply to self-funded blogs | [19:58] |
mircea_popescu | it's ok, having no income simplifies things :D | [19:58] |
SquirtPrincess | imgur.com/WxUHGwV,WdCWKfE,NA5kWea,MwtIflI#1 | [19:59] |
Pierre_Rochard | nah, VCs give you money so that you stimulate the economy | [19:59] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway, my two bits would be : do not sponsor the stupid shit of the old world. so what if the plebs like to watch basketball ? we don't like plebs. | [19:59] |
SquirtPrincess | http://imgur.com/NA5kWea | [19:59] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtCmq ) | [19:59] |
mircea_popescu | invent new shnit, like sponsor kicking around enemy's severed head competition. | [19:59] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu well only since you stole ben_vulpes's precious time from vanads and repurposed it towards that foundation thingy | [19:59] |
SquirtPrincess | here you go http://imgur.com/WxUHGwV | [19:59] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtGCS ) | [19:59] |
pete_dushenski | LOT OF GOOD THAT'S GONNA DO. | [19:59] |
Pierre_Rochard | because you see, one guy buys the sponsorship, ESPN buys some apps, VC makes money, circulate circulate | [19:59] |
SquirtPrincess | address is 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess address ? | [20:00] |
SquirtPrincess | 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc | [20:00] |
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SquirtPrincess | http://imgur.com/MwtIflI | [20:00] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtT8W ) | [20:00] |
Pierre_Rochard | my view is bitcoin is a macro-economic phenomena. Advertising it makes as much sense as advertising for a housing crisis in 2005. Throwing away money | [20:01] |
SquirtPrincess | may not be the best but i think the biggest i've seen on here lol | [20:01] |
pete_dushenski | hm, what other sports can b-a sponsor ? i vote for jai alai | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | well, "best". what's best. | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski well, sponsor w/e you want, you know ? | [20:02] |
pete_dushenski | true enough. | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | Pierre_Rochard this is pretty apt actually. | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | "let's advertise for the industrial revolution111!!!" | [20:02] |
pete_dushenski | but that's step 2, step 1: income! | [20:02] |
SquirtPrincess | well guess that in the eye of the beholder | [20:02] |
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pete_dushenski | sovereign debt needs advertising more than bitcoin | [20:03] |
Pierre_Rochard | pete_dushenski: indeed, larry ellison was not sponsoring America’s Cup boats in the late 70’s | [20:03] |
pete_dushenski | ya, sponsoring is for later in life, post-productive years. like charity. | [20:04] |
Pierre_Rochard | how much did putin pay you for the russian debt informercial you ran earlier? ;) | [20:04] |
pete_dushenski | lol | [20:04] |
pete_dushenski | what is this, "disclose all your interests" day ? | [20:05] |
nubbins` | boost is huge | [20:05] |
mircea_popescu | but yeah, "advertising" will probably survive in the charity part. | [20:05] |
Pierre_Rochard | silly sponsorships aside, here’s where some un-named startups are really derping: http://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology | [20:06] |
assbot | Dan McKinley :: Choose Boring Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1aguSGd ) | [20:06] |
pete_dushenski | Pierre_Rochard my putin pump obviously worked, russia pulled back from 17% to 14% since my article | [20:06] |
pete_dushenski | great success | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | lol winctory. | [20:06] |
Pierre_Rochard | next conference: pete_dushenski’s russian dacha | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. du nthink the lot of us would fit. | [20:07] |
pete_dushenski | we can probably squeeze into the penthouse at the four seasons st petersberg | [20:08] |
Pierre_Rochard | well we’ll settle for that then | [20:08] |
pete_dushenski | this is for the 11th conference, ya ? | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno that the russians want our moneyz! | [20:09] |
pete_dushenski | well mebbe you should ask them before assuming things. | [20:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 391200 @ 0.00024774 = 96.9159 BTC [-] {3} | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | hehe i guess | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess yer welcome. | [20:11] |
SquirtPrincess | <3 if you need any more or some kitty shots let me know thxs <3 | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [20:14] |
mircea_popescu | where di you hear about it anyway ? | [20:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00024739 = 28.3509 BTC [-] | [20:16] |
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ben_vulpes | [20:21] | |
ben_vulpes | and i suspect this IRS action to be in line with (asciilifeform? decimation? mircea_popescu?)'s forcast that bitcoin will split the g-men who can from the g-men who can't | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | yeah well... | [20:22] |
ben_vulpes | DEA being very accustomed to "doing things their way", and the IRS wanting a rather tight grip on the bitcoin thing. | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose the only thing to do | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | is a new department. | [20:23] |
SquirtPrincess | sorry was smoking | [20:23] |
SquirtPrincess | i was searching for tits for bits and it was like the 4th or 5th link down | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | a hey. | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | so do you make a living at the cam thing ? | [20:24] |
SquirtPrincess | thought forsure i was too late, looked like an old post | [20:24] |
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mircea_popescu | !up SquirtPrincess | [20:25] |
-assbot- | You voiced SquirtPrincess for 30 minutes. | [20:25] |
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SquirtPrincess | a living not really but extra income no doubt | [20:26] |
BingoBoingo | [20:26] | |
SquirtPrincess | some weeks bring 700-800$ and others $100-200 but i only do it part-time | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | Naphex is running a b-a sanctioned webcam thing, maybe give it a look. | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | what was it, xotika.tv ? | [20:27] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ... gentoo box is mostly emerged, << congrats mircea_popescu ! | [20:28] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: welcome to (what remains of...) gentoo. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:28] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ... dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. << not arguing that anyone should do this, but that qr as we know it defeats the purpose of optical barrier | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | such weird times we live | [20:28] |
asciilifeform | because it's as computronic as any wired protocol | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | srsly, off debian ? is it a dream ? | [20:29] |
SquirtPrincess | yea tits for bits no one's ever online so | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | and in many ways more 'voodoo' | [20:29] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: i only recently encountered the "qr code in qr code" exploit family | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: you can do the square one also without a cpu, << not qr as we know it!! read the standard, srsly | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you will recall the discussion was a narrow use case : you print them, you use them etc. | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | or have a pet read it, whoever | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | it's quite complicated. | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | often there is even compression. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | nowhere was there any requirement you use the stock thing. | [20:30] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo ^see gpg'd article above :) | [20:30] |
SquirtPrincess | also if you didn;t get it from my name im a Squirter w/ Triple DDDs | [20:30] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ... kicking around enemy's severed head competition. << aztecs have stone patent. | [20:30] |
jurov | i thought the requirement was you're able to visually(or otherwise) check what you're transmitting throught the gap? | [20:31] |
jurov | or are going to learn reading qr? | [20:31] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden. | [20:32] |
asciilifeform | jurov: qr breaks most of what i think of as nice things about barcode | [20:32] |
asciilifeform | e.g., human readable, but even if you can't be bothered to read - there is some rough correspondence between the length and the payload size | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | with qr - no | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | all qr look roughly alike | [20:33] |
pete_dushenski | "Consider this bit of circumstantial evidence which the government which it alleges connects Force to one of his extortion sockpuppets" << this sentence is borked, BingoBoingo | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | qr << and yes, i know what they are used for. but with the transparency they give, may as well be magnetic cards. | [20:34] |
asciilifeform | or floppies. | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | actually, if you could have < 1kb floppies i'd prolly use those too. | [20:35] |
asciilifeform | you can | [20:35] |
asciilifeform | good with a knife ? | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:35] |
asciilifeform | but in all seriousness - magstripe | [20:36] |
asciilifeform | is a 1kb floppy. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, that's the principal advantage set of the qr pass : 1) widely available for cheap 2) limited size. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | this doesn't makle them fit for a wife. just, work for some purposes. | [20:36] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform re: uint32_t : 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't include portatronic patch from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html | [20:37] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJV5HM ) | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | did we end up with the first version control issue ? | [20:37] |
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mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess so what DO you do for a living ? | [20:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00024739 = 11.6273 BTC [-] | [20:39] |
scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitpay-showing-more-signs-of-trouble-no-longer-st-petersburg-bowl-sponsor/ | [20:40] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Article up, patch applied to other article | [20:40] |
pete_dushenski | wunderbar! | [20:40] |
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mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski speaking of which, funny how the spam accounts overflowing reddit (specifically reddit, not any other random social spam platform) with news and commentary about the epocal all-important move of bitpay to waste some money | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | aren't now filling it with news and commentary about bitpay's neobee-esque failure mere months down the road. | [20:43] |
SquirtPrincess | house work and cam | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | clearly reddit is a legitimate source of news and commentary where actual people post things that legitimately interest them. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | SquirtPrincess what's house work ? like a maid ? | [20:43] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu heh. quite. | [20:43] |
Pierre_Rochard | I’ll let y’all know when my paycheck stops clearing | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | prolly the spring of next year. | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | kinda how springs work in bitcoin. | [20:44] |
Pierre_Rochard | the old die, the young are born | [20:45] |
SquirtPrincess | no just stay at home clean my house lol | [20:45] |
Pierre_Rochard | ehrm conceived | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | oh. | [20:45] |
SquirtPrincess | i did call center for a while | [20:45] |
BingoBoingo | Prolly better that the Bitcoin Bowl ends after one game. At least it ended on a very watchable game. | [20:45] |
SquirtPrincess | but f*ck that | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | does it suck worse than cam ? | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | and you're allowed to sday fuck | [20:46] |
SquirtPrincess | rather deals w/ dicks online for good $$ then on the phone for tittle winks | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't pay so good ? | [20:46] |
SquirtPrincess | deal w/ dicks either way lol | [20:46] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: indeed, now we have cash for a nascar sponsorship! /s | [20:47] |
SquirtPrincess | not like cams on naked its 4.99 a min and i get 50% | [20:47] |
Pierre_Rochard | (btw bitpay already did that: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-sponsors-nascar-truck-series-driver/ ) | [20:47] |
assbot | BitPay Sponsors NASCAR Truck Series Driver ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWCh6 ) | [20:47] |
BingoBoingo | Pierre_Rochard: I know BitPay is in the South, but... that seems a bit lowbrow... | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | so like 150 an hour or so... not bad. almost what force made. | [20:48] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: “this demo doesn’t know anything about btc, clearly should be our target!” | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | in fairness, bitpay is probably the better in that space, on a purely ops/technical perspectrive. | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | coinbase srsly doesn't know what it's doing. | [20:50] |
BingoBoingo | The great appeal of American Football is exactly a gladiator show. A gladiator show where fighting is disallowed, the competitors wear personal protective gear, and they are charged some how in spite of that still crippling their opposition. It is grand and it appeals across classes. | [20:50] |
BingoBoingo | BitPay really should have just sprung for a New Years Day bowl game. | [20:50] |
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Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: well, both made it this far. As for technical side, it is an engineering tour de force to build a semi-functional accounting system on mongodb documents and node.js, no doubt | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | heh, | [20:52] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: I would’ve opted for golf. Surely has highest % of decision-making people | [20:53] |
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mircea_popescu | Pierre_Rochard definitely. but i dunno who's in charge of spends there. they have nfi what the job even is. | [20:53] |
ben_vulpes | a bitcoin messiah'd do pretty well in the south. | [20:54] |
Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: they were let go | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | oic. | [20:54] |
ben_vulpes | "it's gold! that the government can't take! or stop you sending!" | [20:54] |
ben_vulpes | barring of course rectowhateverwhatever | [20:54] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo on my qntra article there, it looks a bit odd on the front page without a "continue reading" link... | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes yes, if you're ready to drop 100mn on this, pick some random christian rock band from mobile, make a movie about the lead vocal, send them on tour, | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | a year later you've got dixiebitcoin in your pocket. | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | prolly not worth the 100mn, but hey. | [20:55] |
pete_dushenski | Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo golf, or tennis! | [20:55] |
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kakobrekla | anything that has to do with little balls. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | !up SquirtPrincess | [20:55] |
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mircea_popescu | ahahahaha kakobrekla | [20:55] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: fixd | [20:56] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo cool beans | [20:56] |
Pierre_Rochard | alas, whatever the chairman/ceo is interested in is what gets sponsored. Those fancy seats ain’t free! | [20:56] |
pete_dushenski | kakobrekla thems the decision makers! | [20:56] |
BingoBoingo | [20:56] | |
pete_dushenski | i know a buncha old dudes who watch (and play) tennis | [20:57] |
BingoBoingo | Play yes, Bet yes, watch... rare | [20:58] |
pete_dushenski | it's bnn (business news network) during the day, hockey in the evenings | [20:58] |
pete_dushenski | tennis/golf on the weekends | [20:58] |
pete_dushenski | they're all well heeled too | [20:58] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: 100m, though? | [20:58] |
BingoBoingo | Now hockey maybe. All kinds of people can afford to sponsor hockey, also the ball is small and flat. | [20:58] |
pete_dushenski | i don't see a lot of them making and taking bets, but they might have bookies. | [20:58] |
ben_vulpes | just convince the band that it's god's gift to free humanity. | [20:58] |
ben_vulpes | find the charismatic dude and convince him that he's the nth coming. | [20:59] |
ben_vulpes | must be the murderous type, though. | [20:59] |
pete_dushenski | in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies | [20:59] |
pete_dushenski | i dunno what it is about dentists and gambling, but they seem to be bosom pals | [20:59] |
BingoBoingo |
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pete_dushenski | notbad.jpg | [21:01] |
BingoBoingo | All together probably half a million dollars and 16 years of higher education time has been flushed by people who don't realize my brother is a boring square. | [21:02] |
pete_dushenski | but a rich one! | [21:03] |
pete_dushenski | assuming he's practising | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo people who don't dare tell the bitchy jewish princess girlfriend to moan like kournikova watch tennis. | [21:03] |
SquirtPrincess | thx<3 | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes yeah. | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | 100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas. | [21:05] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: If he was rich already he'd work his own practice. He's just high income. Still in his first year, hence medicaid clinic with a bunch of doctors who don't know pharmacists are snitches. | [21:05] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here. | [21:05] |
pete_dushenski | lel | [21:06] |
pete_dushenski | wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ? | [21:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025006 = 6.7266 BTC [+] | [21:06] |
pete_dushenski | jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better | [21:06] |
pete_dushenski | jap = 'jewish american princess' | [21:07] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo eh well let's give him a few years | [21:07] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs. | [21:09] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't want a schmuck, and i want him to have ideas. | [21:10] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: But, "High Income" profession | [21:10] |
ben_vulpes | muhammed scale ideas. | [21:10] |
BingoBoingo | America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse. | [21:13] |
pete_dushenski | aaaand i'm off! | [21:15] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [21:21] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.98, vol: 8041.90359442 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 240.96, vol: 10548.80132 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.4, vol: 22341.3479467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 252.13, vol: 14.17978055 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.896382, vol: 128550.65720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 244.42198, vol: 1.026009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.013049, vol: 50.57372473 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) | [21:21] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism. | [21:33] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | i guess so. | [21:35] |
BingoBoingo | I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing. | [21:36] |
BingoBoingo | Just the line were drawn stupidly because the British and French wanted "parity" | [21:37] |
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BingoBoingo | !up pete_dushenski OH back already? | [21:38] |
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pete_dushenski | for 2 seconds! | [21:38] |
pete_dushenski | because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs! | [21:38] |
pete_dushenski | http://imgur.com/FhAsviT << kakobrekla mircea_popescu | [21:38] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWPm6z ) | [21:38] |
pete_dushenski | log1 normal, log.bitcoin-assets.com bizarelly borked | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | lolwut | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla ownered box ? | [21:39] |
pete_dushenski | bizarrely* | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | pretty lulzy at that. | [21:40] |
pete_dushenski | and it changes when you refresh | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | shtylman, i was trying to recall that fucktard's name. the guy with the hat. | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | obv kakobrekla made an april fool's joke that blew up because he forgot log1 :D | [21:40] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Calendar | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | but it is pretty lulzy lol | [21:41] |
pete_dushenski | lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!" | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK | [21:42] |
pete_dushenski | sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy" | [21:42] |
BingoBoingo | kakobrekla: Best log error evar | [21:43] |
pete_dushenski | alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow! | [21:44] |
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mod6 | <+BingoBoingo> kakobrekla: Best log error evar << that is pretty good hehe | [21:46] |
BingoBoingo | I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success | [21:47] |
mod6 | did he fake me out last year? | [21:47] |
mod6 | *didn't | [21:47] |
mod6 | one year i got gotten iirc | [21:48] |
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BingoBoingo | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/31/switch_flasks_switch_products.php << Tiny differences | [21:57] |
assbot | Switch Flasks, Switch Products. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWSmjf ) | [21:57] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/ | [22:09] |
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BingoBoingo | !b 2 test | [22:09] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R4ZRB8.txt ) | [22:09] |
BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [22:22] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 350168 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50216839506.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.49031 | [22:22] |
BingoBoingo | nefario: Thinking about taking up Burnside's BTC-TC code sale? | [22:23] |
nubbins` | i'll buy it if he doesn't | [22:23] |
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BingoBoingo | lol gigavps | [22:25] |
BingoBoingo | !up ebriusinanis | [22:26] |
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mod6 | <+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. << what os/arch? | [22:32] |
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mod6 | yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into. | [22:33] |
mod6 | many of us were able to build, not just me this time ;) | [22:33] |
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danielpbarron | i think that was me, and it's most likely a problem with my computer | [22:34] |
mod6 | there is a version number in the top of the auto.sh script, which version are you using? | [22:34] |
mod6 | oh. ok. | [22:34] |
mod6 | it's all good now? | [22:34] |
danielpbarron | my computer? no | [22:35] |
mod6 | :/ aight | [22:35] |
danielpbarron | ironically enough, the same computer that successfully built bitcoind for pogo way back when the project first began | [22:36] |
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BingoBoingo | !up Pierre_Rochard | [22:38] |
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nubbins` | afaik asciilifeform is compiling on gentoo | [22:38] |
danielpbarron | i am also on gentoo | [22:38] |
nubbins` | not sure if he's targeting the same, or the pogo via portatronic | [22:38] |
mod6 | so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading... | [22:38] |
nubbins` | i suspect the latter | [22:38] |
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mod6 | ok, so remember, version that we have for auto.sh (v0.0.5 & v0.0.5-32) are NOT to be used for cross compiling. | [22:39] |
mod6 | if you wanna do that cross compiling stuff, you gotta use ascii's original one. | [22:39] |
BingoBoingo | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865245.msg10935804#msg10935804 | [22:39] |
assbot | 2 missing users ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJQRkZ ) | [22:39] |
mod6 | we really need two branches of code now i think. | [22:42] |
mod6 | these projects are diverging. | [22:42] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: (cc: hanbot) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966287.msg10563582#msg10563582 | [22:42] |
assbot | Alt Convention - 8-10 October Batumi Georgia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJR9sl ) | [22:42] |
nubbins` | ah, i think it's a bit early for that | [22:42] |
nubbins` | the two auto.sh are close enough | [22:43] |
mod6 | iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea. | [22:43] |
mod6 | anyway, food for thought. | [22:43] |
nubbins` | yeah | [22:44] |
BingoBoingo | platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split | [22:44] |
nubbins` | ^ this | [22:44] |
nubbins` | so far, at least, i think there's only minor changes needed for the various platforms | [22:44] |
nubbins` | or isolated changes, at least. | [22:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283450 @ 0.00024996 = 70.8512 BTC [-] {5} | [22:45] |
trinque | if it's small stuff should be able to ifdef it | [22:49] |
BingoBoingo | hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while | [22:49] |
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asciilifeform | i was building amd64 | [22:52] |
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asciilifeform | using published release auto.sh | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | barfs on all of my boxes | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | in the same way (the integers thing) | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | batumi << wtf is 'alternative income' ? | [22:54] |
nubbins` | my buildroot cross-toolchain was still no good, boost needed large file support :o | [22:55] |
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danielpbarron | nubbins`> what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? << ArchLinux | [22:56] |
danielpbarron | if you mean my test pogos | [22:57] |
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mod6 | asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. | [22:57] |
BingoBoingo | !up ebriusinanis | [22:58] |
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asciilifeform | mod6: may have to do with gcc version | [22:58] |
danielpbarron | nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt | [22:58] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4IvOg ) | [22:58] |
mod6 | most of our testing we were successful with seemed to be gcc 4.4.5 | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | unrelated, someone needs to take ben_vulpes's rm_rf_upnp patch and turn that into a separate executable that does upnp. | [22:59] |
mod6 | the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something | [22:59] |
mod6 | something downlevel anyway | [22:59] |
BingoBoingo | [22:59] | |
BingoBoingo | ;;google site:undeadly.org gcc | [22:59] |
gribble | New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: |
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BingoBoingo | ;;google openbsd.org gcc man | [23:00] |
gribble | gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: |
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thestringpuller | I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it. | [23:00] |
mod6 | BingoBoingo: all of this was very recently tested on gentoo. both 64 & 32 bit. | [23:00] |
mod6 | You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? | [23:00] |
BingoBoingo | mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris. | [23:01] |
BingoBoingo | [23:01] | |
mod6 | what about all the "linux is dead" memes? | [23:02] |
nubbins` | risc os is alive | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: msdos is considerably more alive than riscos | [23:03] |
mod6 | what if gentoo adopts systemd next week? | [23:03] |
asciilifeform | mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed | [23:03] |
trinque | the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier | [23:03] |
mod6 | (is it the only hold out left?) | [23:03] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [23:03] |
mod6 | oh. ok, didn't even know that. | [23:04] |
BingoBoingo | Also some gentoo people spent enough time on OpenRC that OpenRC cannot be easily disappeared | [23:04] |
asciilifeform | a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not | [23:04] |
mod6 | i've used gentoo exactly 2x: for testing bitcoind hah | [23:04] |
asciilifeform | so you could say it already 'adopted.' | [23:04] |
trinque | mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc | [23:05] |
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mod6 | someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe | [23:05] |
asciilifeform | mod6: exists | [23:05] |
asciilifeform | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd | [23:06] |
assbot | Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4K3ry ) | [23:06] |
mod6 | ah good deal, thanks. | [23:06] |
trinque | gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude | [23:06] |
trinque | by breaking and unbreaking his system | [23:06] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform i kid :D | [23:08] |
trinque | anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? | [23:09] |
trinque | "page updated 2006" lol | [23:09] |
asciilifeform | 2006 << wai wat | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | where? | [23:10] |
trinque | https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable | [23:10] |
assbot | Gentoo Linux Documentation | [23:10] |
trinque | redirect from the new site to that from the google result | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | aha | [23:10] |
trinque | wikipedia says it's on hiatus with no citation | [23:10] |
trinque | must be true | [23:10] |
trinque | anyhow it's a nice thought | [23:11] |
BingoBoingo | trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware | [23:11] |
trinque | portage is really what I love, not so much gentoo linux | [23:11] |
trinque | BingoBoingo: yeh looks like abandonware | [23:11] |
trinque | ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage | [23:11] |
trinque | that imo is the killer feature | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures' | [23:12] |
trinque | mhm | [23:12] |
scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/ | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade | [23:12] |
BingoBoingo |
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asciilifeform | portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict | [23:13] |
trinque | ^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself | [23:14] |
BingoBoingo | And trying to walk someone through that is/(would be) hell | [23:14] |
trinque | pkg_add can be "friendlier" in terms of happily pulling down all kinds of deps | [23:14] |
trinque | I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage | [23:15] |
asciilifeform | and hammer things in by hand | [23:15] |
asciilifeform | never -once- used pkg_add | [23:15] |
asciilifeform | or what it was. | [23:15] |
BingoBoingo |
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trinque | I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated | [23:18] |
trinque | rather, should something attempt violation | [23:18] |
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trinque | in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing | [23:20] |
BingoBoingo | What, fail deadly is a thing. | [23:21] |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16241 | [23:21] |
assbot | Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJV3kI ) | [23:21] |
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asciilifeform | when do we get a 'second cock solutions' ? | [23:22] |
asciilifeform | does 'third key' not immediately evoke an unwelcome interloper to everyone ? | [23:22] |
asciilifeform | i can hardly think of a less-appetizing name for anything! | [23:23] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242 | [23:23] |
assbot | Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJVhbK ) | [23:23] |
BingoBoingo | It invokes interloper | [23:23] |
decimation | asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list' | [23:24] |
BingoBoingo | Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers | [23:24] |
decimation | but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key | [23:24] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: any lock on which you find an engraved number, is this | [23:25] |
asciilifeform | the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks | [23:25] |
decimation | some locks are neigh 'unpickable' too | [23:25] |
asciilifeform | these get mutilated. | [23:25] |
decimation | point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?! | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: and not ru 5.45 ? | [23:27] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi | [23:28] |
asciilifeform | *export | [23:28] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Later than that | [23:28] |
BingoBoingo | 1980's | [23:28] |
asciilifeform | !up ebriusinanis | [23:28] |
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decimation | was it built for their little brown brothers in vietnam? | [23:28] |
BingoBoingo | Built too late for 'Nam. | [23:29] |
BingoBoingo | To my knowledge | [23:29] |
decimation | usg was hustled by the vietnamese | [23:31] |
decimation | most of their 'allies' were communist moles | [23:31] |
asciilifeform | ^ well-documented | [23:32] |
decimation | wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56 | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | at any rate, it could well have been produced for 'next vietnam' | [23:32] |
BingoBoingo | Type-03 and others in their "export version" are so chambered | [23:32] |
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asciilifeform | the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56 | [23:33] |
decimation | I'm sure israel has 5.56 ammo plants | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | the other near east. | [23:33] |
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decimation | http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63189 | [23:34] |
assbot | Small Caliber Ammunition | [23:34] |
BingoBoingo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_CQ | [23:34] |
assbot | Norinco CQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWfVo ) | [23:34] |
decimation | the iranians probably manage it too | [23:34] |
decimation | lol why do the chinese bother to make an m4gery | [23:37] |
BingoBoingo | Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's | [23:37] |
decimation | heh not for long http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/31/pentagon-halts-sale-f-14-parts-coveted-by-iran/ | [23:38] |
assbot | Pentagon Halts Sale of F-14 Parts Coveted by Iran | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWAau ) | [23:38] |
decimation | ^ re: ascii's point about modern jets being part of a large industrial base | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara | [23:38] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Remember that direct sale of parts to Iran has been halted since Ayatollas have been a thing. Iran has had plenty of time to improvise machine shops | [23:39] |
decimation | there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | not only metallurgy. | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | american jets are heavy on semiconductor crapolade | [23:41] |
decimation | usg knows precisely which necks to squeeze | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | running hell knows what. | [23:41] |
decimation | the swiss were famous for re-writing the f-16 code from the ground up | [23:41] |
BingoBoingo | https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: what precisely is this ? | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored. | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ? | [23:46] |
BingoBoingo | But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere) | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | ^ good qntra project ? | [23:47] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools" | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance | [23:47] |
decimation | I'm amused that usg distinguishes between 'proprietary' and 'private' | [23:49] |
decimation | which I take to mean "submits to usg T/F" | [23:49] |
BingoBoingo | ^ | [23:50] |
BingoBoingo | Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors | [23:50] |
BingoBoingo | !up ebriusinanis | [23:51] |
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decimation | right, and the reason for 'disinterest' is because they expect usg to make them whole | [23:51] |
BingoBoingo | Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia | [23:52] |
BingoBoingo | List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list | [23:54] |
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ebriusinanis | you guys still have school? i thought you had ipad nao? | [23:58] |
ebriusinanis | oh look, he's swiping | [23:59] |
BingoBoingo | ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint | [23:59] |
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