Forum logs for 31 Jan 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Bugpowder | >7000 bids over 19, >30000 bids over 18, 13000 bids below 20. I think tonight is the night | [00:01] |
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Namworld | We're not at 21k profit tho =P | [00:01] |
Namworld | sadly =/ | [00:01] |
Bugpowder | well | [00:01] |
Bugpowder | if your vision is only till the end of the month, disappointment is understandable | [00:02] |
Bugpowder | If your vision is for a few months from now... that growth rate and EV return should support a higher share valuation | [00:02] |
Bugpowder | I think .01 is likely soon. | [00:02] |
Namworld | It's mostly fueled by some large "whale" | [00:03] |
Namworld | who knows when it will go away | [00:03] |
Namworld | I prefer seeing lots of smaller gamblers growth. | [00:04] |
Bugpowder | yes, and we have seen smaller gamblers growth too | [00:04] |
Bugpowder | look at the betting thats going on in the 5-20 BTC range | [00:05] |
Bugpowder | some other players that were not around last month | [00:05] |
Namworld | yeah, but not as significant | [00:05] |
Namworld | I wouldn't include the whale in the valuation of S.DICE | [00:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00734477 = 5.1413 BTC [+] | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | There is the question of what happens if he 'runs out' of coins. Can he get more? I think that some of the whale addresses only started betting when the other ones ran out of coins. | [00:08] |
dub | http://garzikrants.blogspot.no/2013/01/avalon-modular-room-to-expand.html | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | Which would imply to me that there may be other whale address out there. | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | Oh my | [00:10] |
Bugpowder | http://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=1Di6ux3CQBNXCZLD76BsnYWDo6XnFGzQah | [00:10] |
Bugpowder | I didn't realize that 1Di6ux came back from the dead! | [00:10] |
gesell | wtf, is that a USB to serial card or something like that on the avalon? | [00:11] |
gesell | Namworld: where did you see S.DICE profs, did they give earnings? | [00:14] |
Namworld | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.new | [00:15] |
Namworld | douglus regularly makes new graphs | [00:15] |
jurov | lol bitcointalk madness: http://alfixturedesign.com/420/asic.gif | [00:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 9 @ 0.10792579 = 0.9713 BTC [-] | [00:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 6 @ 0.12950674 = 0.777 BTC [+] | [00:20] |
Bugpowder | THis address topped up the 1Di6ux address with a 4104 BTC deposit after it ran dry... 1B5h9sf6xNLYGa3NBk48hwYbxyNZ22PRJk | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | [00:22] | |
mircea_popescu | rng29a takes one confirm. | [00:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7588 @ 0.00066522 = 5.0477 BTC [+] | [00:23] |
rng29a | mircea_popescu: thanks, blockchain.info showed 2 already, but my bet appeared shortly after that | [00:23] |
StarenseN | will asics affect the market prices ? | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | there;s a parser involved i guess. anyway. | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | StarenseN market prices of what tho ? | [00:24] |
Bugpowder | IDIFF | [00:24] |
StarenseN | bitcoin | [00:24] |
Bugpowder | it will cause X.IDIFF.MAR to rocket higher. BUY NOW! | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | prolly not the exchange rate. asics capital costs are already paid by buyers, maintenance is low | [00:25] |
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mircea_popescu | Bugpowder even if the avaolon full 1st batch is delivered and works it still won't push diff up by 100% right ? | [00:25] |
Bugpowder | shhh | [00:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 2 @ 0.10792579 = 0.2159 BTC [-] | [00:26] |
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StarenseN | is it possible that the first ASICS will drain more BTC/day before the next difficulty adjustment ? | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [00:28] |
StarenseN | when is the next difficulty adjustement ? | [00:29] |
jurov | ~ in a week | [00:29] |
StarenseN | okay | [00:29] |
StarenseN | in that way the market can fluctuate a bit | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | StarenseN the way it works is that diff is recalculated every 2k blocks | [00:29] |
Bugpowder | less than a week if asics make a difference | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | if you double output you will do the 2k blocks in a week instead of two | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | and so get 2x as many block rewards a day. | [00:30] |
StarenseN | alright that's a good news | [00:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00066522 = 4.5235 BTC [+] | [00:30] |
rng29a | ;;bcstats | [00:30] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 218801 | Current Difficulty: 2968775.3320750743 | Next Difficulty At Block: 219743 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3094501.22024 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.23494 | [00:30] |
StarenseN | ok difficulty is block based and not time based | [00:31] |
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mircea_popescu | http://salsafrica.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/nigeria-google.jpg lmao | [00:31] |
rng29a | indirectly also time based, if the hashrate doesn't change too much | [00:31] |
StarenseN | I where about the enter the market within the hour but now just break to see what will happen | [00:31] |
StarenseN | was* | [00:31] |
StarenseN | to* | [00:31] |
StarenseN | -_- | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | StarenseN the entire point of ther blockchain is to offer a distributed time | [00:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1 @ 0.1923428 BTC [+] | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | because otherwise the problem of doublespends. | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | so blockchain = btc time pretty much. | [00:32] |
Namworld | I'll buy X.IDIFF.DEC for 0.03 | [00:32] |
Namworld | =P | [00:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 3 @ 0.18916129 = 0.5675 BTC [+] | [00:34] |
smickles | woahhoe | [00:38] |
smickles | soebot taking action | [00:38] |
smickles | ;;ticker | [00:39] |
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gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.75001, Best ask: 19.77991, Bid-ask spread: 0.02990, Last trade: 19.73005, 24 hour volume: 45557.23653876, 24 hour low: 19.14901, 24 hour high: 19.78990, 24 hour vwap: 19.46727 | [00:39] |
jurov | did soebot some asic-related prediction? :P | [00:39] |
smickles | um, no, I think it has made a prediction about a shortterm top | [00:39] |
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* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [08:47] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades | [08:47] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 | [08:47] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7587 @ 0.00066432 = 5.0402 BTC [+] | [08:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9080 @ 0.0006575 = 5.9701 BTC [-] | [08:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8742 @ 0.00065749 = 5.7478 BTC [-] | [08:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00065564 = 25.2362 BTC [-] | [08:50] |
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error4734 | +5K for S.DICE this night | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.dice | [08:57] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.007249 / 0.00733239 / 0.00739499 (50021 shares, 366.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00598118 / 0.00715475 / 0.0075 (593129 shares, 4,243.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00473414 / 0.0075 (6562260 shares, 31,066.70 BTC) | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | error4734 how much is it ahead by now ? | [08:58] |
error4734 | all month ? | [08:58] |
error4734 | 16K | [09:00] |
mircea_popescu | not so bad | [09:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 225 @ 0.007249 = 1.631 BTC [-] | [09:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 975 @ 0.00720955 = 7.0293 BTC [-] | [09:01] |
error4734 | yeep | [09:02] |
error4734 | 60btc last month for hosting/tech expenses | [09:03] |
error4734 | it's insane | [09:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11161 @ 0.00066954 = 7.4727 BTC [+] | [09:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10379 @ 0.00067194 = 6.9741 BTC [+] | [09:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00067282 = 7.401 BTC [+] | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | not that insane | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | originally oil cost something in the neighbourhood of nothing to extract. | [09:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6795 @ 0.00067387 = 4.5789 BTC [+] | [09:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065744 = 2.8408 BTC [-] | [09:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11087 @ 0.00065723 = 7.2867 BTC [-] | [09:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20474 @ 0.00065723 = 13.4561 BTC [-] | [09:36] |
Bowjob | oh man, just reach 20 dollar!! | [09:36] |
Bowjob | wait false alarm | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [09:36] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.86998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 19.86998, 24 hour volume: 44185.78098282, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.61874 | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | will take a little more fightin, that hilltop | [09:36] |
Bowjob | I saw 19.96 flash | [09:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066046 = 2.8538 BTC [+] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17579 @ 0.00066064 = 11.6134 BTC [+] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065754 = 2.8412 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.00065723 = 4.4948 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8540 @ 0.00065564 = 5.5992 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1502 @ 0.00721632 = 10.8389 BTC [+] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00720955 = 0.9012 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1624 @ 0.0071864 = 11.6707 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00718003 = 5.026 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00715088 = 7.866 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4111 @ 0.007141 = 29.3567 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00711538 = 5.6923 BTC [-] | [09:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00708676 = 1.4174 BTC [-] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00705654 = 7.0565 BTC [-] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00704966 = 5.6397 BTC [-] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066059 = 2.8544 BTC [+] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00066064 = 1.4045 BTC [+] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00066705 = 12.207 BTC [+] | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006748 = 2.9158 BTC [+] | [09:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8452 @ 0.00067504 = 5.7054 BTC [+] | [09:49] |
Bowjob | ;; ticker | [09:49] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.89599, Bid-ask spread: 0.03599, Last trade: 19.86000, 24 hour volume: 44661.58410082, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62249 | [09:49] |
Diablo-D3 | !ticker | [09:50] |
assbot | I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. | [09:50] |
Diablo-D3 | ;;ticker | [09:50] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 19.89599, Bid-ask spread: 0.03599, Last trade: 19.86000, 24 hour volume: 44780.72310082, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62312 | [09:50] |
Diablo-D3 | COME ON MOVE IT | [09:50] |
Bowjob | Mhm @ssbot talks? | [09:51] |
dub | !assbot talk | [09:51] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/wZ1hZlM.jpg | [09:57] |
mircea_popescu | pretty cool lookin | [09:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00067504 = 4.8603 BTC [+] | [09:57] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder how much cheaper the huge aluminum box was than a normal closer fitting one | [09:58] |
Bowjob | ah.. the money printing machine | [09:58] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [10:01] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.90011, Best ask: 19.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04989, Last trade: 19.90000, 24 hour volume: 45453.09821842, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.62967 | [10:01] |
Bowjob | 10 more cents~! | [10:01] |
mircea_popescu | "i am short 20 Bitcoins to buy one of the second batch. Okay. I could go satoshidice: either i have enough or nothing" | [10:02] |
mircea_popescu | whales explained. | [10:02] |
Bowjob | I imagine my bitcoins fighting a war right now. They need to take prisoners in order to become stronger | [10:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1020 @ 0.00067504 = 0.6885 BTC [+] | [10:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15330 @ 0.00067528 = 10.352 BTC [+] | [10:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066785 = 2.8858 BTC [-] | [10:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00066754 = 3.4906 BTC [-] | [10:12] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [10:13] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.91010, Best ask: 19.91898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00888, Last trade: 19.90011, 24 hour volume: 45077.52674878, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.95000, 24 hour vwap: 19.63169 | [10:13] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00066754 = 5.8436 BTC [-] | [10:19] |
Bowjob | 19.97 high price now | [10:27] |
Bowjob | ;; ticker | [10:27] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.90021, Best ask: 19.96799, Bid-ask spread: 0.06778, Last trade: 19.90021, 24 hour volume: 46055.45217062, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 19.97000, 24 hour vwap: 19.64007 | [10:27] |
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dust-otc | my widget said 20.0 due to rounding and I got excited | [10:33] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [10:33] |
mircea_popescu | ROUNDING IS EVIL | [10:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00066988 = 5.7945 BTC [+] | [10:36] |
error4734 | !asks 20 | [10:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00066766 = 1.6358 BTC [-] | [10:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3441 @ 0.00067517 = 2.3233 BTC [+] | [10:39] |
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Namworld | I require a large margin for options... | [10:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/For-40-Years-This-Russian-Family-Was-Cut-Off-From-Human-Contact-Unaware-of-World-War-II-188843001.html | [10:48] |
mircea_popescu | this is absolutely fascinating. | [10:48] |
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markedathome | tip, tip, tip, tip -> 08:51:48] <@bitcoinRT> Jan31 08:49:23 | Bid: 19.9999 | Ask: 19.99999 | Last: 19.9999 | Volume: 48530 | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [10:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.99993, Best ask: 20.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00007, Last trade: 20.00000, 24 hour volume: 50335.70604699, 24 hour low: 19.15000, 24 hour high: 20.00000, 24 hour vwap: 19.67112 | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | aaalmost there. | [10:53] |
leotreasure | WOOOO 20 bucks! | [10:53] |
error4734 | BIM | [10:53] |
* | markedathome thinks he is getting old, coz he cannot work out these newfangled acro-thingamabobs... | [10:54] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00066814 = 1.2361 BTC [-] | [10:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 880 @ 0.00067517 = 0.5941 BTC [+] | [10:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4482 @ 0.00067528 = 3.0266 BTC [+] | [10:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006754 = 6.754 BTC [+] | [10:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6488 @ 0.0006755 = 4.3826 BTC [+] | [10:57] |
Namworld | the calls have an incredibly large "fee" | [10:59] |
Bowjob | Yes! 20 dollars | [11:01] |
Bowjob | GG | [11:01] |
Namworld | yup | [11:01] |
Namworld | We need to reach 35 tho | [11:01] |
Namworld | beat the old all time high | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [11:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.86000, Best ask: 20.21525, Bid-ask spread: 0.35525, Last trade: 20.21525, 24 hour volume: 51992.74198755, 24 hour low: 19.18697, 24 hour high: 20.39999, 24 hour vwap: 19.72306 | [11:02] |
mircea_popescu | and still such low volume. top isn't in yet. | [11:02] |
maximian | I wonder what "BTC Economist" is thinking now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27348.0 | [11:03] |
Bowjob | Mhm, I'm wondering what will happen to the price once the rest of the Asics ship? | [11:03] |
Bowjob | down? up? I'm confused | [11:04] |
mircea_popescu | maximian wasn't thinking before, isn't thinking now. no cost to him :p | [11:04] |
maximian | True. I always laugh when people make predictions like that with such conviction. | [11:06] |
Bowjob | I wish I had a bit more conviction.. I'm so indecisive when it comes to BTC :/ | [11:07] |
mircea_popescu | i have a lot of conviction. | [11:10] |
mircea_popescu | as far as i can see any investing of bitcoins in fiat is very risky, speculative and dangerous. | [11:11] |
Namworld | bleh | [11:14] |
Namworld | too much fees on options | [11:14] |
Namworld | How do I put funds in MPBOR? | [11:14] |
Namworld | I only see one mention in the FAQ and it's unrelated | [11:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00708833 = 8.8604 BTC [+] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00705352 = 12.6963 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00691 = 3.455 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0069 = 6.9 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00684879 = 5.1366 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0063 = 12.6 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.006 = 30 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00598119 = 11.9624 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00534524 = 3.7417 BTC [-] | [11:15] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld twas explained on the forum, do you want me to dig it up ? | [11:15] |
Namworld | Would appreciate | [11:16] |
Namworld | I'll need to put that in my bookmarks | [11:16] |
Bowjob | Roaring 20s people. hopefully we don't crash in '29 | [11:17] |
Namworld | If only it was near the end of the month for option | [11:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1267 BTC [-] | [11:18] |
Namworld | lower costs, better opportunity | [11:18] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139017.0 | [11:19] |
Namworld | ah, so if our is included, we automatically get the highest interest | [11:22] |
Namworld | asked, that was accepted | [11:22] |
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BUgpowder | booya | [11:30] |
Namworld | yes, we all need a lot of capital for options | [11:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00066954 = 12.5204 BTC [-] | [11:32] |
BUgpowder | [23:48] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [11:33] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.13002, Best ask: 20.21999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 20.12001, 24 hour volume: 51901.07197290, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.39999, 24 hour vwap: 19.73854 | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | hehe seems 20 is conquered. | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | now for 25 ? 30 ? 50 ? | [11:33] |
gesell | beh, who bet on the over 20 before feb 3rd bitbet? | [11:34] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld it DID happen near the end of the month. | [11:34] |
mircea_popescu | rally got killed that time. | [11:34] |
Namworld | yeah | [11:35] |
mjrIII | i was curious about that | [11:35] |
mjrIII | how does one exercise options on mPex | [11:35] |
mjrIII | if you get the position through a broker | [11:35] |
Namworld | through the broker | [11:35] |
Bowjob | http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/566764_o.gif | [11:35] |
Namworld | get an MPEx account while they're cheap | [11:35] |
mjrIII | ok, you just ask them to exercise or you get auto-exercised at the end of the month? | [11:36] |
mjrIII | and yes, i would really like to | [11:36] |
mircea_popescu | srsly. they started as 20 btc back when a btc was 3 bux | [11:36] |
BUgpowder | the bot almost always pays more than the exercise price | [11:36] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII all mpex options autoexercise end of month | [11:36] |
mircea_popescu | so the broker would get the cash. | [11:36] |
BUgpowder | but the bot disappears in the last 24hr | [11:37] |
mjrIII | and then would send it to me? | [11:37] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, it's rare that you can't just sell for the same effect | [11:37] |
Bowjob | bug u woke up already | [11:37] |
mjrIII | yeah, true | [11:37] |
mircea_popescu | [11:37] | |
mjrIII | but the options...those are on the currency or on the equities you list on mpex? | [11:37] |
Namworld | BTC/USD price | [11:38] |
Namworld | Mention this key for 5 BTC free: F12DE6B4E1EF26F5768BE918F2758D83EEEDE453 | [11:38] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII click on one find out ? | [11:38] |
BUgpowder | ;;asks 30 | [11:38] |
gribble | There are currently 22412.467 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 549385.972055 USD in total. | [11:38] |
BUgpowder | ;;bids 19 | [11:38] |
gribble | There are currently 16596.262 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 322265.253218 USD in total. | [11:38] |
BUgpowder | heh | [11:38] |
Namworld | ;;bids 20 | [11:38] |
gribble | There are currently 1025.417 bitcoins demanded at or over 20.0 USD, worth 20592.1874072 USD in total. | [11:38] |
BUgpowder | back 2 bed | [11:39] |
mjrIII | O.BTCUSD.C200T | [11:39] |
mjrIII | is an option to buy bitcoins at $20 USD at any point before the last Friday in Feb? | [11:39] |
mjrIII | correct? | [11:40] |
BUgpowder | ;;ticker | [11:40] |
Namworld | not really | [11:40] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.50010, Best ask: 20.51998, Bid-ask spread: 0.01988, Last trade: 20.50010, 24 hour volume: 53226.06221217, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.52000, 24 hour vwap: 19.75578 | [11:40] |
Namworld | Options don't work like that on MPEx | [11:40] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII buy one bitcoin. | [11:40] |
mjrIII | thanks mircea so each option contract is for one bitcoin not lots of 100... | [11:41] |
Bowjob | Oh lord.. 20.5 alredy | [11:41] |
makomk | malaimo markedathome maximian midnightmagic mircea_popescu mjrIII mod6 | [11:41] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII yes, each contract is for 1 btc. | [11:41] |
Bowjob | Someone stop it! Lemme dump 2k fiat first :/ | [11:41] |
mjrIII | I really love mpex by the way... | [11:42] |
mircea_popescu | lol srsly. | [11:42] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII cool! | [11:42] |
mjrIII | it's like NYSE | [11:42] |
Bowjob | mp, i thought of US govt trying to do an investigation on mpex, then they read the FAQ. They read, "Yes, this is dog." then they just leave | [11:43] |
mjrIII | but one question, how do you clear the options trades? if I have the option to buy at $20 USD, don't I have to send mpex/broker USD...how can you do this through mpex? hold on i will read the faq again | [11:43] |
BUgpowder | its all done in bitcoins | [11:44] |
BUgpowder | the option is priced in bitcoins | [11:44] |
Namworld | you put collateral in BTC | [11:44] |
BUgpowder | so divide the strike - current price | [11:44] |
BUgpowder | by the current price | [11:44] |
Namworld | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdGxfRk5SS0hxT1lsVmdLdU1QY0RveGc#gid=0 | [11:45] |
BUgpowder | to get the option price | [11:45] |
Namworld | Make a spreadsheet like that | [11:45] |
Bowjob | S.Dice went down steeply | [11:45] |
mjrIII | good time to get in :) | [11:45] |
Bowjob | there's such a huge gap, 0.72-0.49 | [11:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00066954 = 13.3238 BTC [-] | [11:46] |
BUgpowder | sell down to .004 again plaes | [11:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066766 = 2.885 BTC [-] | [11:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5547 @ 0.00066754 = 3.7028 BTC [-] | [11:47] |
BUgpowder | 20.75 | [11:47] |
BUgpowder | god this is all going EXACTLY how I imagined it would happen | [11:47] |
Bowjob | please reach 21.29 | [11:47] |
Bowjob | i wanna win the guess the prize contest | [11:47] |
Bowjob | lol | [11:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066953 = 2.893 BTC [+] | [11:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00066954 = 1.473 BTC [+] | [11:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16679 @ 0.00067347 = 11.2328 BTC [+] | [11:48] |
Jackmaninov | Bowjob: there was no one bidding yesterday | [11:48] |
Jackmaninov | Bowjob: no one really bids at all, hence the 0.0008 fat finger a few days back | [11:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066763 = 2.8848 BTC [-] | [11:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2924 @ 0.00066754 = 1.9519 BTC [-] | [11:58] |
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mjrIII | i hate how slow real world finance is | [12:05] |
mjrIII | but if anyone is using bitfloor, i suggest you check out the orders on their books :) | [12:05] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII bitfloor is a bitcoinica clone running stolen code | [12:06] |
mircea_popescu | i'd rather hope nobody is foolish enough to be using it. | [12:06] |
mjrIII | sorry what is bitcoinica? | [12:07] |
mircea_popescu | (in fact we kinda know nobody is foolish enough to be using it seeing how the recent ruby on rails vulnerability caused them no damage) | [12:07] |
mjrIII | last night the consensus seemed to be they were ok | [12:07] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII one of the larger scams to date. read http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ to get up to speed | [12:07] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno what "consensus" that is. but no, not ok in any estimation. | [12:07] |
gesell | whats the state of S.DICE. Is he going to break even this month? (what I thought I was seeing from the bitcointalk thread). Why the dumping of stock? | [12:08] |
mircea_popescu | gesell last i heard was 10k over no ? | [12:08] |
gesell | yeah | [12:08] |
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Bowjob | No one has crashed Havelock yet | [12:09] |
Bowjob | I guess I'll crash it | [12:09] |
mircea_popescu | gesell heh. i guess you weren't here when people dumped all the way to .0008. read http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/marketplace-excitement-with-expert-commentary-for-your-vicarious-trading-pleasure/ to catch up | [12:09] |
mircea_popescu | im becoming like the bitcoin library over here | [12:09] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: btw do you block access to your blog from certain IP's? when im on from home (which is via a proxy at all times, out of my control) I cant get to your blog. but now, i can (in a different location atm) | [12:10] |
mircea_popescu | some eggregious comment spam ips are nulled yes. | [12:10] |
gesell | anyway, i read that whole thread | [12:11] |
gesell | good times | [12:11] |
mircea_popescu | yeh. maybe some ppl want to send money to china and so they're selling stuff | [12:11] |
mircea_popescu | or who knows | [12:11] |
gesell | yeah from home im going through ipreditor.se, huge proxy | [12:11] |
mircea_popescu | probably so are teh spammers. | [12:11] |
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gesell | we are all teh spammer | [12:12] |
gesell | is there any historical data on mpex? graphs are nice but no x,y ticks | [12:13] |
Bowjob | Anyone wanna buy S.dice shares at havelock? | [12:13] |
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mjrIII | mp: what do you recommend for getting btc for usd | [12:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067333 = 2.9095 BTC [+] | [12:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6948 @ 0.00067347 = 4.6793 BTC [+] | [12:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.0006755 = 2.3514 BTC [+] | [12:14] |
mjrIII | bitfloor was going to be my preferred option | [12:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8564 @ 0.0006755 = 5.785 BTC [+] | [12:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9438 @ 0.00067553 = 6.3757 BTC [+] | [12:16] |
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gesell | some copumpkin of iphone dev team? | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | gesell all the trades are fed here via assbot and to twitter | [12:17] |
gesell | err some/same | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | mjrIII if you're in yurp probably bitcoin-central.net | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | bitfloor has that entire issue with negative equity atm. | [12:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067042 = 2.8969 BTC [-] | [12:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00067026 = 8.1101 BTC [-] | [12:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1079 @ 0.00066754 = 0.7203 BTC [-] | [12:18] |
mjrIII | yeah i heard a little about that, but i heard also that people did get bitcoins | [12:19] |
mjrIII | i loved the fact that they offer liquidity rebates | [12:19] |
mjrIII | someone literally told me last night, that besides the security issue, they have been fine | [12:20] |
mircea_popescu | lol ok, besides the security issue they have been fine. | [12:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12659 @ 0.00066754 = 8.4504 BTC [-] | [12:20] |
mjrIII | ie. they still owe him money, but they have been good to work with | [12:20] |
mjrIII | i don't want to take any usd out, just bitcoins | [12:20] |
mircea_popescu | what can i tell you. | [12:20] |
mjrIII | caveat emptor | [12:20] |
mircea_popescu | if you're in and out quick enough you'll prolly be ok. | [12:21] |
mjrIII | well, thats the other thing...i like the fact i can use ING p2p | [12:21] |
mjrIII | i just really did not want to go through mt. gox | [12:21] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think anyone's going through mtgox by now lol | [12:21] |
mjrIII | but i will look into bitcoin-central.net | [12:21] |
mjrIII | but i am in NYC | [12:22] |
mjrIII | i am assuming yurp is europe right? | [12:22] |
mircea_popescu | ya | [12:22] |
mjrIII | no luck for me :( | [12:22] |
mjrIII | i didn't get to go to davos this year lol | [12:23] |
mircea_popescu | other than otc they're the only ones i ever used. not really much of an expert in tradsing btc for fiat. | [12:23] |
mjrIII | **that was sarcasm in case anyone thinks i am a rich a$$hole** | [12:23] |
mjrIII | well, until my FPGA mining comes on line, I need to get in now | [12:24] |
mjrIII | see if i can get a spot on mpex :) | [12:24] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: is there a log of assbot logs of bits on this channel? just curious how one would build and analyze historical data on their own | [12:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12125 @ 0.00066754 = 8.0939 BTC [-] | [12:24] |
mircea_popescu | gesell well im sure some people are running loggers that are interested. | [12:25] |
mircea_popescu | jurov is maintaining live.coinbr.com which does some graphing with trades | [12:25] |
gesell | anyone know a website with the ticker price in the title of the page, so that i can just open a tab and look at the tab instead of opening pages or spreadsheets? | [12:26] |
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mircea_popescu | whoa this is a brilliant idea. | [12:26] |
topace | ticker for what? btc/usd? mtgoxlive.com puts the price in thte ) | [12:28] |
mjrIII | shows up right in the tab bar | [12:29] |
mircea_popescu | gesell you can log this chan, follow mpex1 on twitter or else follow the mpex rss (http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex-rss.php) | [12:29] |
mircea_popescu | tis all in teh faq | [12:29] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: ooh, rss. thanks. that's a bit easier | [12:29] |
mjrIII | thanks everyone, i gotta run but i'll be on later | [12:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00066964 = 11.3169 BTC [+] | [12:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2992 @ 0.0006752 = 2.0202 BTC [+] | [12:30] |
gesell | mjrIII: the clarkmoody title doesnt have the USD/BTC price ("") | [12:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00066964 = 2.0759 BTC [-] | [12:34] |
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mircea_popescu | mpex now does. | [12:40] |
mircea_popescu | ty gesell :) | [12:40] |
maximian | mircea_popescu: did something just change on mpex? pympex is broken. | [12:43] |
maximian | looks like messages are being wrapped in HTML, which I don't recall happening before | [12:44] |
maximian | -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- | [12:44] |
mircea_popescu | d'oh. 1 sec. | [12:45] |
markedathome | gesell: moody does have last price in the title, but only when a trade has occurred. It starts off with what you posted, then becomes "(20.60002) Bitcoin Data..." | [12:45] |
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mircea_popescu | maximian now ? | [12:50] |
maximian | yep, back to normal | [12:50] |
mircea_popescu | thanks for reporting. | [12:50] |
maximian | welcome | [12:50] |
mircea_popescu | and yes, website was changed to add qty@lastprice to security pages | [12:52] |
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maximian | ah cool | [12:53] |
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mjr_ | hi again :) | [12:57] |
mircea_popescu | slave trade ? PsychoticBoy wtf are you on about ? | [12:57] |
gesell | markedathome: thanks. not seeing that happening for me yet though | [12:58] |
markedathome | what browser? | [12:58] |
jurov | ;;ticker | [12:59] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.50002, Best ask: 20.52000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 20.50002, 24 hour volume: 55471.73385830, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 19.81501 | [12:59] |
jurov | hi all... what did i woke up to? | [12:59] |
gesell | markedathome: yeah, chrome. notice it works fine in safari for example | [12:59] |
markedathome | jurov: asics online and hashing by jgarzik, btc up 1$ | [13:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00726822 = 3.2707 BTC [+] | [13:00] |
gesell | markedathome: or something is wrong with my crhome perhaps | [13:00] |
markedathome | gesell: works on chrome for me | [13:00] |
gesell | markedathome: refreshed, now it is working | [13:00] |
gesell | funky | [13:00] |
gesell | thanks | [13:00] |
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Namworld | can I have a free test account for my tool development, mircea? | [13:06] |
Namworld | or do you have any special test command that is accepted from any gpg key? | [13:06] |
Namworld | like TEST and it replies SUCESS from any key, regardless if registered or not? | [13:07] |
Namworld | Seems like it would be practical | [13:07] |
mircea_popescu | it's neither practical nor available best i can see. | [13:08] |
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mircea_popescu | Namworld for one, it'd allow you to test if keys are registered. | [13:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell keefe hey, drop me a line when you're on | [13:32] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [13:32] |
mjr_ | hey guys | [13:33] |
mjr_ | whats the command for 30 day 7 day 24 hour | [13:33] |
mjr_ | also, has anyone else seen the spike in blocks/hour? | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.mpoe | [13:34] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064143 / 0.00066461 / 0.00067553 (1562895 shares, 1,038.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00060745 / 0.00067011 / 0.0007 (22383448 shares, 14,999.46 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.0006563 / 0.0007 (49537424 shares, 32,511.86 BTC) | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tslb | [13:34] |
gribble | Time since last block: 5 minutes and 39 seconds | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | network doing 27th atm, yeah. | [13:35] |
mjr_ | asics? | [13:35] |
mjr_ | or people cranking gpu's in expectation of asics coming lol | [13:35] |
mjr_ | ;tslb | [13:36] |
mjr_ | ;;tslb | [13:36] |
gribble | Time since last block: 7 minutes and 20 seconds | [13:36] |
mircea_popescu | well it's been moving in the 18-25 range for months | [13:36] |
mircea_popescu | who knows. | [13:36] |
mjr_ | yeah, just curious because of the whole avalon thing | [13:37] |
mjr_ | !ticker [MPEX:USDBTC] | [13:37] |
assbot | Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh? | [13:37] |
mjr_ | exchange rate command? | [13:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [13:38] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.65901, Best ask: 20.67000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01099, Last trade: 20.65900, 24 hour volume: 56676.40231858, 24 hour low: 19.19000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 19.83916 | [13:38] |
mjr_ | ;;bc,24hprc | [13:39] |
mjr_ | ;;bc,24hprc | [13:39] |
gribble | 19.81 | [13:39] |
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mjr_ | so is there a way to get exchange rate for 1d/7d/30d ? | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | not rly. | [13:40] |
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Namworld | Hmm | [13:57] |
Namworld | I can't cancel orders | [13:57] |
Namworld | keeps saying it cannot be done at this time and to try again later | [13:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1329 @ 0.0006752 = 0.8973 BTC [+] | [13:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1662 @ 0.00067553 = 1.1227 BTC [+] | [13:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00067692 = 4.7445 BTC [+] | [13:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00739499 = 2.2185 BTC [+] | [13:58] |
mircea_popescu | prolly a good idea to try again a little later | [13:58] |
jurov | Namworld, me too. get used to it :) | [13:59] |
Namworld | eh | [14:07] |
Namworld | well anyway | [14:07] |
Namworld | I'm off for now | [14:07] |
Namworld | goodbye | [14:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00067691 = 10.4583 BTC [-] | [14:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00739499 = 7.395 BTC [+] | [14:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067157 = 2.9019 BTC [-] | [14:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 883 @ 0.00067667 = 0.5975 BTC [+] | [14:20] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& | [14:22] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin chart now officiallly looks like a ponzi. | [14:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00067667 = 0.6767 BTC [+] | [14:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6984 @ 0.00067472 = 4.7122 BTC [-] | [14:23] |
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gesell | mircea_popescu: yeah, ive noticed that this jump in value doesnt really equate to massive influx of new users. for sure there are new users due to increased interest from first of year but not like what causes previous bubles. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17kt5n/bitcoinorg_downloads_spiked_at_2011_bubble_not_now/ | [14:26] |
mircea_popescu | gesell i guess what started things was the dwindling supply of bitcoins due to reward halving a month or so ago | [14:27] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: so to me there is a lot of new activity from current and established users putting more of the weight into the play | [14:27] |
mircea_popescu | buyers msitakenly figured they can delay inversting indefintiely | [14:27] |
mircea_popescu | once the bitcoins available for sale dried up panic gripped. | [14:27] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: is that a pattern you think would repeat in 4 years at the next halving? | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | probably not. | [14:29] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin is still very much "nobody driven". | [14:29] |
gesell | why, becaue people will be aware of the behavior? | [14:29] |
mircea_popescu | as in, the fact that some bloke heard about it first is more important than the fact that he's smart or rich. | [14:29] |
mircea_popescu | that is changing already and in fact the random nobody will not exist in 2017. | [14:29] |
gesell | its changing in what way, financial services (such as mpex)? | [14:30] |
gesell | who is the antithesis to the random bloke here | [14:30] |
mircea_popescu | well, just, the btcs are naturally leaching towards the richer and the smarter. | [14:30] |
mircea_popescu | that's the effect of free markets, they marginalize the common man. | [14:30] |
gesell | due to financial services? what is "smarter" in this case? | [14:30] |
gesell | sdice whales? | [14:30] |
mircea_popescu | i can't define what smarter is. | [14:31] |
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mircea_popescu | but a simple contrast : dude hears about bitcoin and instead of going on holiday buys himself miningrigs. | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | another dude hears of bitcoin and decides its stupid. | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | clearly, the first is the smarter. | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | now, once reward halving was pinned down, the smart bought. the stupid didn't buy, because they were mommentum trading and the mommentum wasn't moving. | [14:33] |
gesell | do you think that "smarter" will require collectivism for more impact? uncompressing that: it seems that in brick and mortar finance the bigger fish execute with greater advantage. Would this wind up being true in Bitcoin in the future: those with greater BTC are "smarter"? | [14:33] |
mircea_popescu | by now mommentum is moving and they're maybe buying, but the rule is quite simple : by the time the stupid gets onboard the ship is already sinking. | [14:33] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think there's any requirement for collectivism. in fact, the main seductive guile of btc to me is how prettily it completely decouples success from any sort of collective action whatsoever. | [14:34] |
gesell | maybe i dont have my thoughts clear. im more wondering if we will start to see the little guy (even if smart in finance) feeling he can do nothing in BTC markets because he will always be out smarted by those (even with the same understanding as him in finance) that have more BTC to play | [14:34] |
mircea_popescu | i doubt that can be done in btc. | [14:35] |
mircea_popescu | as best i can guess the effect you describe is a result of the regulatory interplay in fiat. | [14:35] |
gesell | yeah i agree but... | [14:35] |
gesell | it is attractive that a lot of the regulatory weight in fiat is taken out of the picture | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [14:36] |
gesell | so i also feel this huge weight lifted | [14:36] |
gesell | in this market | [14:36] |
gesell | but wondering if im getting too far ahead of my self with optimism | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. that weight mostly consists in making it impossible for someone to dominate just because they're big. | [14:36] |
gesell | and that perhaps tradition tricks of the trade will game this market as well | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | irl a well run bank can't compete with a "too big to fail" bank | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | here, there's no saving you. if you fail you fail. | [14:37] |
gesell | yeah | [14:37] |
gesell | and on that note, is sdice too big to fail (in the bitcoin world)? | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | there is this very loud but imo stupid group who claim that btc is inherently unsustainable because "they are finance experts and know how to break it" | [14:38] |
mircea_popescu | to my eyes it's much akin to the 16 yo kid that "knows hax" | [14:38] |
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mircea_popescu | nothing is too big to fail. | [14:38] |
gesell | wait that is close to home. how is it like a 16yo that knows hax? | [14:39] |
mircea_popescu | heh. if indeed they could "own" bitcoin through their superior trading skills they'd be doing it, neh ? | [14:39] |
gesell | maybe they are? | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | i'd know. | [14:40] |
gesell | (i mean wtf was all that huge option btc stuff going on at mpex in the chat log you put up on your blog) | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | that was, as best i can guess, someone insuring a large btc obligation (via the calls) and someone trying to mommentum trade (short puts) | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | mind that the only one time someone came close to "owning" anything was august, and if that's the case the wisdom was insider information, not smarts. | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | other than that, the january people kinda got it on the chin, bot made 10k | [14:41] |
gesell | what was in august? | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/mpoe-rezultate-august-2012/#comment-88317 | [14:41] |
gesell | beh, wish i understood typical finance more (slow going) but interesting read | [14:43] |
mircea_popescu | basically that was when the pirate guy defaulted. | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | if you look at the graphs, was a large chunk of btc sold off | [14:44] |
gesell | yeah got that | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | the grapewine abuz with the theory that that's the plan, crash btc price to rebuy cheap | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | course, if that was the plan it failed. | [14:45] |
gesell | doesnt seem to me that this could not happen again, or many times | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | it does seem to me that it can't happen again | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | the many idiots with large btc holdings obtained just for being here early are now mostly bankrupt | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | im pretty sure that's the last ponzi. | [14:45] |
gesell | perhaps the last ponzi (you mean pirate) but one could still game perception to swing price (if they a legitimate, non ponzi share of perceptional influance) | [14:46] |
gesell | and use this advantage to sell high, buy low | [14:46] |
gesell | or deal with puts, calls, etc | [14:47] |
mircea_popescu | possibly. | [14:47] |
gesell | avalon could have just added a month delay perhaps | [14:47] |
gesell | "unexpectidly" | [14:47] |
mircea_popescu | if you believe in markets as the ultimate allocator of resources, then that person's gain would always be smaller than the global benefit | [14:47] |
mircea_popescu | tbh i doubt avalon turning out to be a scam tomorrow would do anything to the price. | [14:48] |
gesell | just because there are other asics in the pipe | [14:48] |
mircea_popescu | even without asics. | [14:48] |
mircea_popescu | if all of them, bfl, avalon, asicminer, etc go the way of basic | [14:49] |
mircea_popescu | what diff would it make ? | [14:49] |
gesell | true | [14:49] |
gesell | some, but not much | [14:49] |
mircea_popescu | i mean sure ppl would get excited, but so what of it ? fpga ss till hash | [14:49] |
gesell | but some could still be something one could game if they had insider information | [14:49] |
mircea_popescu | that's always the case. | [14:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00067192 = 3.494 BTC [-] | [14:52] |
gesell | could someone use the blockchain to sell widgets locally? That is, I sell two types of widgests: WidgetA for 1btc and WidgetB for 2btc. You want to buy WidgetA. You send 1btc to 1WidgetA1234560abcdeff rx with a message embedded where where you want it shipped. I mean, couldnt this be a service to kill silkroad? | [14:56] |
pigeons | explain how the "with a message embedded where where you want it shipped" works | [14:57] |
gesell | you can embed a message in the 1btc send | [14:57] |
gesell | encrypted or whatever | [14:58] |
pigeons | what is an example method to embed the message | [14:58] |
kakobreklaa | "send me |
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kakobreklaa | perfectly sane to keep it public | [14:58] |
gesell | encrypted(send me |
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pigeons | yeah what encoding method are you using to embed this message in a transaction? | [14:59] |
kakobreklaa | the other thing is, how am i going to leave feedback? | [14:59] |
gesell | from here you can also build the protocol ontop of the blockchain to exchange keys | [14:59] |
kakobreklaa | sending some more coins with a note 'scam' | [14:59] |
gesell | and yeah, you might even offer optional escrow and reputational services | [14:59] |
kakobreklaa | :) | [14:59] |
pigeons | oh building a protocol on top of, yeah, see namecoin, colored coins, etc | [14:59] |
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gesell | yeah i know namecoin. learning about colored coins | [14:59] |
gesell | a general reputation api/protocol on the block chain letting widget providers pick their reputation provider would be wicked | [15:00] |
kakobreklaa | speaking of blockchain | [15:00] |
kakobreklaa | has kiddie porn been pushed into it yet? | [15:00] |
gesell | uch | [15:00] |
kakobreklaa | i forgot | [15:00] |
pigeons | gesell: also see ripple | [15:01] |
gesell | yeah i hear the question. im sure it might be. dont want to contemplate it | [15:01] |
gesell | yeah havent looked into the technical details of how ripple uses the blockchain. but the p2p concept is clear. but its more about the 6 degrees social aspect | [15:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00066957 = 2.0087 BTC [-] | [15:02] |
pigeons | ripple doesn't use the bitcoin blockchain, but it has its own blockchain called the "ledger" | [15:03] |
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pigeons | but yes you choose which issuers to deal with and how to value them versus other issuers in ripple | [15:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15314 @ 0.00066957 = 10.2538 BTC [-] | [15:04] |
gesell | the advantage of using The blockchain as apposed to a new one is that you can use blockchain.info for all sorts of purposes (finding WidgedA sellers, checking reputation) and its a little harder to kill blockchain.info which has plenty of legal use, than specialwidgetsellerblockchain.info. So you could basically do silkroad without Tor | [15:05] |
gesell | or at least, Tor is optional then | [15:05] |
kakobreklaa | its not a thing of 'harder to kill' | [15:05] |
pigeons | satoshi said he prefers new blockchains for this sort of stuff | [15:06] |
kakobreklaa | would be like torrent | [15:06] |
kakobreklaa | kill one site 10 pops up | [15:06] |
kakobreklaa | to read the distributed blockchain file | [15:06] |
gesell | yeah well sdice told satoshi to fuck off so | [15:06] |
kakobreklaa | and then you can have local clients | [15:06] |
pigeons | yeah what a slap, use his name for cred too ! | [15:06] |
kakobreklaa | heh | [15:07] |
gesell | satoshi for pres 2016, lulzsec for VP | [15:07] |
gesell | anyway | [15:08] |
gesell | kakobreklaa: what would be like torrent? | [15:08] |
gesell | kakobreklaa: a seperate blockchain for widget selling? | [15:08] |
gesell | kakobreklaa: or using the existing one | [15:09] |
kakobreklaa | if youd kill blockchain.info, 10 more would pop up, same as with torrent sites | [15:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00739499 = 12.2017 BTC [+] | [15:09] |
gesell | i know but somehow i think if you kill the special widget blockchain front end (widgetblockchain.info) it would take a while to adjust. | [15:10] |
pigeons | blockchain.info is slick, but i hate it when people think it is "official" or the only one | [15:10] |
gesell | im trying to liberate subversive services from the Tor only option | [15:10] |
gesell | i dont want to use use the or a blockchain as a database but also use it as the means for discovery of services, as well as the store and discovery for reputation | [15:12] |
gesell | would be ellegant to have all of that information in the same protocol that exchanges wealth for purchase | [15:12] |
pigeons | looks like colored coins is your best bet for that, but i still don't think the bitcoin blockchain is the best place | [15:13] |
gesell | thanks for the rebase. time to dig into colored coin again | [15:13] |
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mircea_popescu | gesell currently the prtoblem with bitcoin is that ther blocks are too small to contain the transactions | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | im pretty sure your bloatyblocks with messages in them would get dropped a liot. | [15:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8936 @ 0.00066957 = 5.9833 BTC [-] | [15:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00067202 = 6.9218 BTC [+] | [15:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314 @ 0.00067342 = 0.2115 BTC [+] | [15:24] |
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gesell | reading the colored coin pdf https://bitcoil.co.il/BitcoinX.pdf | [15:27] |
gesell | "As was widely suspected in the case of GLBSE and eventually turned out correct, the lack of track record and regulatory compliance exacerbate the risk of unclean shutdown, throwing asset issuers and holders to limbo." | [15:27] |
gesell | anyone have a good reference on the history of GLBSE and its closure? | [15:27] |
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pigeons | gesell: its been done to death | [15:27] |
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gesell | in specific that point about "regultory compliance" id like to uncompress | [15:28] |
pigeons | nefario is asked questions about regulation at a conference in london, he says "who cares, can't get me" | [15:28] |
DeadWeasel | ;;asks 20 | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8802 @ 0.00067342 = 5.9274 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
gribble | There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1438 @ 0.0006769 = 0.9734 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00067691 = 0.2437 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
pigeons | 2 weeks later he says black helicopters are after him and he shuts everything down | [15:28] |
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DeadWeasel | ;;asks 21 | [15:28] |
gribble | There are currently 4974.838 bitcoins offered at or under 21.0 USD, worth 104084.623608 USD in total. | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00066942 = 7.4306 BTC [-] | [15:29] |
gesell | pigeons: funky | [15:30] |
gesell | pigeons: black helicopters always get the best of us | [15:30] |
pigeons | this was a few weeks after the SEC was investigating "bitcoin denominated securites" | [15:31] |
pigeons | and they seemed more interested in glbse when interviewing folks than in pirateat40 | [15:31] |
gesell | yeah and everyone knows the SEC loves some black helicopters | [15:31] |
pigeons | but there is no indication that there was any contact even with nefario by them | [15:31] |
gesell | okay | [15:32] |
mircea_popescu | guy just had a bad trip, ended up convinced "they're after him" | [15:33] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140052.0 this is all sorts of funny | [15:34] |
gesell | author of colored coin argues for using bitcoin blockchain is better than deploying a new chain due to security of pooled hashrate. other options given are subject to the long tail of adoption. also, still going through it, appears to focus on tie tokens to assets. the asset of a widgetA isnt so important to me as the reputation of the source (rx addr) for widgetA. So I have to contemplate how to use colored coin for reputation. but ignorin | [15:36] |
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pigeons | there is some discussion on the ripple list last couple days on this, with intended application of seller reviews | [15:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0234 = 0.234 BTC [-] | [15:39] |
gesell | pigeons: will check it out. thanks | [15:39] |
gesell | ripple threat on bitcointalk or somewhere else? | [15:39] |
gesell | s/threat/thread | [15:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 29 @ 0.0233 = 0.6757 BTC [-] | [15:39] |
jurov | mjrIII, btw i just added calculator to coinbr options exercise screen, if you have bought any options you can click on Exercise and see the estimated yield. | [15:40] |
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pigeons | gesell: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rippleusers/zntNJxjwmUs | [15:41] |
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pigeons | also see proposed OTC WoT v2 from #bitcoin-wot and privwiki.dreamhosters.com/wiki/Distributed_Web_of_Trust_Proposal_2 | [15:43] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov ow fuck! | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | sorry! | [15:45] |
gesell | (the bible talks about a 1000 year reign of peace and tranquility. I wonder if in the end we will realize this is dependent on the dificulting of factoring 'n' into p and q) | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | since we're giving gesell reading lists, http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | esp. problem 3. | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | and unrelatedly : anyone starting any sort of business and naming it bit* bitcoin* or *coin IS AN IDIOT | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | i can't fucking keep track of them anymore, it's all a blur. plus when i go to type into the url bar i have to type an entire word! | [15:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00067228 = 7.1262 BTC [+] | [15:47] |
gesell | thanks mircea_popescu and pigeons | [15:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00067228 = 16.2692 BTC [+] | [15:51] |
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mjr_ | in the analogy of bitcoin as cash... | [16:03] |
mjr_ | if your harddrive crashes | [16:03] |
mjr_ | you have destroyed currency... | [16:03] |
mjr_ | in other words, there are bitcoins which can never be spent at this point correct? | [16:04] |
kakobreklaa | yea | [16:04] |
pigeons | yes, i've contributed to them | [16:04] |
mjr_ | equivalent to gold in sunken pirate ships? | [16:04] |
pigeons | in your imagination, sure why not | [16:04] |
kakobreklaa | that gold can be found | [16:04] |
pigeons | yeah easier to find the gold than the chance of guessing the key | [16:05] |
mjr_ | no i know | [16:05] |
mjr_ | my point was not to try and find this | [16:05] |
mjr_ | but in how it would affect the scarcity of bitcoins | [16:05] |
pigeons | not much effect really | [16:05] |
mjr_ | since everyone and there mom throws around the 21 million number | [16:05] |
kakobreklaa | its preety scarse as is | [16:05] |
mjr_ | it is | [16:06] |
mjr_ | just curious what effect if any that would have | [16:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2383 @ 0.00066942 = 1.5952 BTC [-] | [16:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00066624 = 7.24 BTC [-] | [16:06] |
kakobreklaa | so loosing a million coins out of 20 wont do much | [16:06] |
jurov | lol i realized if some tards succeed to get btc recognized as currency, they can be prosecuted for debasement whenever their hdd crashes without backups | [16:06] |
mjr_ | joker style...it's about sending a message |
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mjr_ | jurov: you mean debasement as in melting down US coins? Cuz you are actually increasing the average value i would imagine | [16:07] |
kakobreklaa | yea | [16:07] |
jurov | yes, i mean it as law understands it | [16:07] |
kakobreklaa | one should get paid to destroy coins | [16:07] |
mjr_ | some men just want to see the world burn | [16:07] |
mjr_ | so frustrated with banking right now | [16:10] |
mjr_ | 2 days to link account, 2 days to transfer | [16:10] |
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error4733 | +9K since the last dooglus update for S.DICE. 20K for January | [16:13] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6433 @ 0.00066624 = 4.2859 BTC [-] | [16:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3951 @ 0.00066611 = 2.6318 BTC [-] | [16:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9812 @ 0.00066611 = 6.5359 BTC [-] | [16:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00066566 = 2.7212 BTC [-] | [16:17] |
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error4733 | 8h if you want a piece of dividends !! 10K S.DICE = 2BTC @15h15UTC | [16:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.007261 = 1.4522 BTC [-] | [16:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00726 = 2.178 BTC [-] | [16:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1255 @ 0.00705825 = 8.8581 BTC [-] | [16:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1145 @ 0.00705422 = 8.0771 BTC [-] | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | [16:20] | |
mircea_popescu | error4733 they may be a little late rthan midnight | [16:21] |
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thestringpuller | do you expect to be alive in 2150 mircea_popescu ? | [16:24] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea | [16:24] |
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mircea_popescu | tho life expectancy has been mostly growing faster than my age for the past decades. | [16:24] |
pigeons | what is the bitbet.us link to if mircea_popescu lives to 2150? | [16:25] |
mircea_popescu | you can't bet on people dieing omg | [16:25] |
pigeons | what are the current odds | [16:25] |
jurov | i suspect not very high. over time there will be enough ppl willing to assassinate him | [16:25] |
error4733 | yes u cant, in UK | [16:26] |
mircea_popescu | actually teh number of people willing to assasinate me is probably towards the lowest historical point atm | [16:26] |
mircea_popescu | im only pissing off a buncha pasty ass computer geeks currently. | [16:27] |
mircea_popescu | that's significant downstep for me | [16:27] |
error4733 | tons on queen death every year | [16:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00066748 = 3.0704 BTC [+] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.3351 = 5.0265 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3301 = 0.6602 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
pigeons | hmm i wonder is BASIC-MINING intended to mine with bASICs | [16:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3399 = 1.0197 BTC [+] | [16:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+] | [16:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00066748 = 12.0814 BTC [+] | [16:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066748 = 6.6748 BTC [+] | [16:34] |
kakobreklaa | https://blockchain.info/charts/my-wallet-n-users | [16:35] |
kakobreklaa | new year breaks the line about. | [16:35] |
kakobreklaa | quite insane | [16:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4887 @ 0.00066566 = 3.2531 BTC [-] | [16:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00066478 = 3.7228 BTC [-] | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | kakobreklaa mpex new accts looks similar. | [16:38] |
kakobreklaa | chart it. | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | mm | [16:39] |
pizzaman1337 | how many accounts are there? | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | brb | [16:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.0091 = 0.8099 BTC [+] | [16:40] |
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gesell | "(15:26:46) mircea_popescu: you can't bet on people dieing omg" seriously? isnt this why bitcoin was created in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell | [16:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 20 @ 0.0092 = 0.184 BTC [+] | [16:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3908 @ 0.00066401 = 2.595 BTC [-] | [16:43] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: how often does the mpex RSS update. not showing a lot of recent trades | [16:44] |
mircea_popescu | i would guess every time you reload it ? | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | 3`908 S.MPOE @0.00066401 i see as most recent one. | [16:46] |
gesell | no i meant is there a delay from the values showing up here and showing up on the rss | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | shouldn't be. | [16:46] |
gesell | okay, my client then | [16:46] |
gesell | thanks | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | at least hacven't received any complaints on the matter so far. | [16:46] |
kakobreklaa | yeah rss thats a fail protocol | [16:47] |
kakobreklaa | which remembers me i promissed some dude ill add it to bitbet | [16:47] |
kakobreklaa | fuck. | [16:47] |
jurov | well, live.coinbr uses rss. but so far i did not notice missing trades there | [16:49] |
jurov | btw, is the assapi public? i mean, mpex side of it | [16:51] |
kakobreklaa | doesnt work that way | [16:52] |
kakobreklaa | exchanges get access to url to push trades in | [16:52] |
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jurov | hmmm.. and when assbot fails,are they queued? | [16:53] |
kakobreklaa | ya | [16:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00066401 = 5.0465 BTC [-] | [16:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.759 = 4.554 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00066401 = 1.6222 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00066383 = 4.8506 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5613 @ 0.00066432 = 3.7288 BTC [+] | [17:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5087 @ 0.00066748 = 3.3955 BTC [+] | [17:05] |
pizzaman1337 | mircea_popescu: I have a present for you in your mailbox :) | [17:06] |
pizzaman1337 | or something like that... | [17:06] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00066383 = 2.9209 BTC [-] | [17:13] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12053 @ 0.00066748 = 8.0451 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 760 @ 0.00067067 = 0.5097 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
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gesell | bleh, 21 | [17:27] |
gesell | i want to understand, but cant. not that im complaining | [17:28] |
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smickles | wow | [17:32] |
smickles | it's like the market was brainwashed with the phrase 'another day, another dollar' | [17:33] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [17:36] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.85001, Best ask: 20.90999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05998, Last trade: 20.85001, 24 hour volume: 67820.77842782, 24 hour low: 19.39660, 24 hour high: 20.97000, 24 hour vwap: 20.09227 | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | kakobreklaa http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mpex-paid-accounts/ | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [17:39] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.95000, Best ask: 21.00110, Bid-ask spread: 0.05110, Last trade: 21.00111, 24 hour volume: 70551.15359422, 24 hour low: 19.39660, 24 hour high: 21.00111, 24 hour vwap: 20.12700 | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | another minute another dime more like it. | [17:39] |
BingoBongo | Glad I took this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/175/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-above-14-88-and/ | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | lol srsly. | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | i considered it but passed. my loss. | [17:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.749 = 3.745 BTC [-] | [17:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00705423 = 1.4108 BTC [+] | [17:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 155 @ 0.00705422 = 1.0934 BTC [-] | [17:43] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: you really like to use those charts now, eh? | [17:45] |
BingoBongo | ;;ticker | [17:45] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.22165, Best ask: 21.26343, Bid-ask spread: 0.04178, Last trade: 21.26343, 24 hour volume: 71060.56862533, 24 hour low: 19.40450, 24 hour high: 21.26343, 24 hour vwap: 20.14486 | [17:45] |
mircea_popescu | smickles which ? | [17:45] |
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DeadWeasel | ;;bc,24hprc | [17:51] |
gribble | 20.12 | [17:51] |
kakobreklaa | thanks for the chart mp | [17:51] |
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mircea_popescu | yee | [17:53] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: oh, i was confused. I thought that blockchain chart was one of those thinkercharts you used earlier | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | a no | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | but those ARE really cool | [17:56] |
smickles | oh, hey. is ther rota dead to the point that it shouldn't be mentioned in new contracts as the dispute resolution method? | [17:56] |
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mircea_popescu | smickles well it's only dead to the point that i wouldn't currently trust it with a case involving my or mpex's interests | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | if you want to go on a limb with it, by all means. | [17:58] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00066486 = 3.5902 BTC [-] | [18:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4473 @ 0.00066912 = 2.993 BTC [+] | [18:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77 @ 0.00066951 = 0.0516 BTC [+] | [18:02] |
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smickles | so if it's at or near 30 tomorror, probaby time to buy some puts or somehting | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | it does look bubbly. | [18:07] |
BingoBongo | Well, Thursday was the day last week for a spike followed by "This is moving too fast" sobriety | [18:10] |
BingoBongo | ;;ticker | [18:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.80001, Best ask: 20.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last trade: 20.90996, 24 hour volume: 72209.06640419, 24 hour low: 19.40450, 24 hour high: 21.30000, 24 hour vwap: 20.22626 | [18:10] |
thestringpuller | i read in fortune in 2011: we dont know of it is a bubble until it pops | [18:10] |
thestringpuller | so is this really a bubble? | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/mXGnpvK.png | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | this image is so humorous | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller by the time you're buying it it will be | [18:13] |
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smickles | thestringpuller: generally, you cut losses and let profits ride, that's why, when you suspect a bubble, you don't sell all. you hedge your position | [18:22] |
smickles | essentially, weaken future potential profits in order to preserver the current ones | [18:23] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: do you see any new companies coming into the mpex fold? also i assume you just avoid including all the miner pools, correct? | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | miner pools aren't exactly companies. | [18:25] |
gesell | by coming into the fold i mean, ipos | [18:25] |
gesell | yeah | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | well, in principle yes. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | in practice, good companies with revenue and market don't much want to list because why share your profits | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | and also why put up with idiots a la PsychoticBoy eskimoblob etc filling up the forum with nonsense | [18:26] |
gesell | to support bitcoin, aggressive expansion (advertising) | [18:26] |
pizzaman1337 | so why did S.DICE list? | [18:26] |
gesell | pizzaman1337: to cover their risks, and expansion | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | pizzaman1337 well, for multiplereasons. there's a lot of benefit to being listed as a dice site | [18:26] |
smickles | lol, that image.. the "why did I get this?" link | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | because you can very convincingly argue you can afford to pay wins | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | so whales dare play. | [18:27] |
smickles | it links to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw | [18:27] |
PsychoticBoy | [18:27] | |
gesell | mircea_popescu: is any part of the process and application for ipos public, posted as news, by you or them? or is it pretty much until it happens. i mean, even knowing when a new company will release ipos there might be a nice way to get an alert | [18:27] |
PsychoticBoy | Go back to your trailer | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | gesell http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ | [18:28] |
PsychoticBoy!*@* | added to ignore list. | [18:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00066951 = 7.5989 BTC [+] | [18:28] |
DeadWeasel | I don't think bitcoin needs 'aggressive expansion'. | [18:29] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: yeah that is the means for exploring signing up with you. im just curious if investors can get a headsup when this starts, or at least when its going to happen. rather than just refreshing the mpex website all the time | [18:29] |
DeadWeasel | it has momentum. | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | gesell in general ipos are announced in advance. were you around during the bbet ipo ? | [18:29] |
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gesell | no, i wasnt. left the scene for a while until dec last year | [18:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12423 @ 0.00066951 = 8.3173 BTC [+] | [18:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2177 @ 0.00067067 = 1.46 BTC [+] | [18:30] |
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gesell | where do you anounce, on blog (with a certain category i can monitor) or here, or twitter, or? | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | ok, so, site was opened for beta, it was announced it will ipo in 5 days, | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | the details were available (contract was published) | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | and then on ipo day people just got their asks filled | [18:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4956 @ 0.00066707 = 3.306 BTC [-] | [18:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00066656 = 7.3655 BTC [-] | [18:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3494 @ 0.00066647 = 2.3286 BTC [-] | [18:32] |
gesell | where was it announced, blog and mpex site, that all? | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | in general i'll say something here and mpoe-pr will make an announcement on forum | [18:32] |
gesell | sorry to get specific but id just like to monitor the progress | [18:32] |
gesell | ok | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | course people are allowed to announce their ipo wherever they want | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | nothing wrong with being specific | [18:32] |
smickles | aslo, it shows up on mpex.co, but you're unable to trade it | [18:32] |
gesell | im just assuming there will be a day im not so active with bct and might only monitor once a month | [18:32] |
smickles | 'cause there're no sells yet | [18:32] |
gesell | but there are certain things id like to know right away | [18:32] |
gesell | such as new companies going public'ish | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | well, if anyone actually starts a real analyst service for btc finance | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose they might maintain an emergency mail list | [18:33] |
gesell | yeah | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | it really boggles me that this isn't moving, the need for btc finance news is marked and yet... crckets | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | people make gemsites. | [18:34] |
gesell | someone should just grab googles and others from the forum and cuddle them for a while, until eventually having such a service | [18:34] |
gesell | goodles, whatever his name is | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | dooglus ? | [18:35] |
gesell | the couple pay for btc financial analysis services seem like crap, that are out there at the moment | [18:35] |
gesell | dooglus, yeah | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, he could do a fine job. | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | so tell him lol | [18:35] |
DeadWeasel | problem is the forum isn't good new with so much trolling, and google pickups are too sparse. but in time news should pick up enough. | [18:35] |
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mircea_popescu | DeadWeasel i imagine something like a blog would be great. | [18:36] |
smickles | yeah, you don | [18:36] |
smickles | 't need to provide the service | [18:36] |
gesell | S.dooglus | [18:36] |
smickles | just build the organization which pays the the people who do | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | i think tbh, most people on mpex are btc addicts, reading it all multiple times a day | [18:37] |
smickles | how hard is it to receive btc payments and pay employees/contractors/freelancers? | [18:37] |
DeadWeasel | that would fit the definition of blog. trolling and updated every 3 days or less | [18:37] |
gesell | smickles: a spreadsheet? | [18:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00066647 = 7.4311 BTC [-] | [18:37] |
smickles | gesell: how much would you pay for a subscription to 'btc finance' | [18:38] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: yeah feels like a lot of day traders around (or that type of fervant observation) | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | gesell i suppose the alternative would be to just invest in a fund, and let the manager worry about daily news | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | of course, due to the idiocy that was glbse, it will be a little while yet before people trust such funds | [18:39] |
smickles | 1 btc / month? | [18:39] |
gesell | smickles: i'd expect it to cover options, dirivitives, cover some hot topics ("why 21 without huge influx of new users?", with data) and have code to pwn blockchain analysis. I'd pay a BTC a month at the moment | [18:39] |
gesell | and im sure those with more money in the market would pay a lot more | [18:39] |
gesell | also, consider that your "experts" will get requests from big players. you will note on the sdice analysis thread mr sdice asked two people for help in analysis privately | [18:40] |
gesell | so you'll have consultancy on the side | [18:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4450 @ 0.00651702 = 29.0007 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00651712 = 10.1015 BTC [+] | [18:40] |
smickles | ok, who would be willing to write these articles for .3 btc per article? | [18:40] |
gesell | i think you just find the people doing it and pay them a little to do it as a collective. you guide them in how to give enough information publicly but have more privately. for example dougles could put half the detail he does on his analysis of sdice and still provide huge value publicly and the rest privately | [18:41] |
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mircea_popescu | i doubt you could get him to go for a scheme like that | [18:42] |
gesell | for example, was thinking about this today | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | struck me as a very open-source type. | [18:42] |
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gesell | the analysis sdice is nice but i'd like to see someone reverse engineer the blockchain to try to determine the PRNG sdice is depending on, then explore potential weaknesses or just confirm there are none. Maybe show where in the history the PRNG changed. but thats more hacker type of analysis | [18:43] |
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gesell | to me they all mix though | [18:43] |
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smickles | yeah, thing about dooglas, anyone could do that. so if you put up a pay wall, someone else will run the script publically | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea what prng is | [18:43] |
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gesell | psuedo-number-random-generator | [18:44] |
gesell | i dont know the internals yet but i assume the calculations on winning nubmers depend on some randomness | [18:44] |
smickles | well, i have a hunch I could produce 1 article per day, if only I had the writers | [18:44] |
Bugpowder | #WINNING | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | o hey Bugpowder : | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | "Pastebin dump of a letter from SEC sent to several people who ran "funds" on GLBSE. Forum statements about people calling the attorney on the letter and providing statements. Not clear if it was just elaborate trolling..." | [18:45] |
gesell | im also assuming a PRNG is involved (/dev/random, etc) | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | you got that pastebin ?! | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | or did you mean the pirate thing | [18:45] |
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smickles | it was the pirate thing | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | gesell it's not. | [18:45] |
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mircea_popescu | the randomness for s.dice is provided by the blockchain itself. | [18:45] |
gesell | yeah and extrapolate back to where bitcoin depends on a PRNG | [18:46] |
Bugpowder | S.DICE back over 20,000 for the month | [18:46] |
Bugpowder | heheh | [18:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 49 @ 0.0069328 = 0.3397 BTC [+] | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | smickles there were rumours of some actual glbse investigation, i was never able to obtain anything whatsoever | [18:46] |
jurov | ;;asks 20.46 | [18:47] |
gribble | There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 20.46 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | I saw a paste bin thing | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | that's it | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | long time ago. | [18:47] |
jurov | ;;asks 21.46 | [18:47] |
gribble | There are currently 530.07335 bitcoins offered at or under 21.46 USD, worth 11327.2941393 USD in total. | [18:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00724211 BTC [+] | [18:47] |
smickles | Bugpowder: would you write articles about the btc finance world for a starting wage of .3 btc per article? | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | me? | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | no | [18:47] |
smickles | dam | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | lmao smickles | [18:47] |
smickles | you'd get raises proportional to the # of subscribers :D | [18:48] |
jurov | bugpowder, i can throw in another 0.3 | [18:48] |
smickles | jurov: you can be a subscriber, i'm the boss here | [18:48] |
smickles | :P | [18:48] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: yeah i guess i should understand how sdice works | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | everyone wants to be an entrepreneur, nobody wants to do any work anymore | [18:48] |
smickles | btw jurov, would you write articles for .3 btc each starting out ? | [18:49] |
smickles | :) | [18:49] |
jurov | maaybe somethign short. when i'm in mood | [18:49] |
Bugpowder | I will tweet for 0.3BTC / tweet | [18:50] |
smickles | it doesn't have to be long, just newsworthy or quality information | [18:50] |
gesell | I'll retweet Bugpowder for 0.03btc | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder how many followers ? | [18:51] |
pigeons | i pastebinned the letter i got from the sec, i verified it was from the sec, i know lots of people who talked with the sec and they wanted to know, "how did you get your glbse account?" "who promotes glbse?" etc | [18:51] |
smickles | ok, what about 2.1 BTC per article? | [18:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 499 @ 0.01 = 4.99 BTC [+] | [18:51] |
* | jurov searches reddit furiously, saw some computer generated btc articles there | [18:51] |
jurov | 2.1BTC is much fairer game | [18:51] |
Bugpowder | 21.4 | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | honestly, i think the only way that idea will work is owner-operated | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | as a sort of what's his name, the techcrunch guy. | [18:52] |
Bugpowder | yeah you want to make money on the back end too | [18:52] |
gesell | alright, important question... where are some ruby based exchanges... gonna go get me some bitcoin https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-0333 | [18:53] |
gesell | (released TODAY) | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | gesell you're late. | [18:53] |
gesell | oh??? | [18:53] |
gesell | :( | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | what AGAIN ?! | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | don't tell me ruby is blown wide open twice in three weeks | [18:53] |
gesell | yeah this is in yaml JSON processing, and we know btc looooves them some JSON | [18:54] |
DeadWeasel | and those are the KNOWN vulnerabilities | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, vircurex/cryptostocks got owned, bitfinex escaped through global disinterest. | [18:54] |
jurov | gesell, what about php :D | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | there's plenty more on ruby. glbse escaped through being already dead. | [18:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+] | [18:54] |
gesell | actually, from people that k n o w, this new bug was based on the old one (https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2013/01/09/serialization-mischief-in-ruby-land-cve-2013-0156) but HD Moore just missed it | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | a ok | [18:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 25 @ 0.0265 = 0.6625 BTC [+] | [18:57] |
pigeons | bitcoin-central.net also | [18:57] |
smickles | well, 10 subscribers per writer at 1btc per subscription means 1 article per week per writer. writers paid 2.1 btc per article, and a decent rake for the operator | [18:57] |
gesell | whats gox on, btw? | [18:57] |
gesell | (ruby, pyton, whitespace)? | [18:57] |
jurov | it's in befunge | [18:57] |
DeadWeasel | nobody gonna pay that. | [18:57] |
DeadWeasel | owner operated with ad rev is your best bet | [18:57] |
jurov | these "technical anal" dudes get paid quite nicely i heard | [18:57] |
gesell | whats technical anal? and ill try to avoid all the puns that come to mind | [18:57] |
smickles | DeadWeasel: i think you're wrong, a few people have already said that they'd pay 1 btc per month | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | yup, networkd throughput over 30 | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | this is a new record. | [18:58] |
jurov | gesell http://blog.bitcoinwatch.com/ for example | [18:58] |
smickles | gesell: technical analysis applied to bitcoin | [18:58] |
jurov | many of them have closed paid newsletter | [18:58] |
gesell | i really find that site stupid | [18:58] |
gesell | it states the obvious and draws sime lines | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | i would say someone somewhere is hashing on asics | [18:59] |
kakobreklaa | ;;bc,stats | [18:59] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 211512 | Current Difficulty: 3438908.9601591 | Next Difficulty At Block: 211679 | Next Difficulty In: 167 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3385331.85509049 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.557968114 | [18:59] |
jurov | and ddif goes down. yea. | [18:59] |
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mircea_popescu | strange | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoincharts reports Difficulty 2968775 Estimated 3111301 in 800 blks | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | the bot is way behind on the block count too | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | we're at 218944 currently. | [19:01] |
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smickles | ok | [19:02] |
smickles | I'm launching it | [19:02] |
smickles | 1btc per month, news and research on all the 'bitcoin assets' | [19:02] |
jurov | i can write funny summary of happenings between ukto and burnside :D | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | jurov ^ | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | also the two guys with the gem and gold bar | [19:03] |
jurov | including the aftermath, they tend to come to me separately for a cookie and soothing word | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | ajahaha! | [19:03] |
smickles | I think i can get dooglus to present information tailored to shareholders, rather than just the curious | [19:05] |
smickles | *shareholders and potential investors, that is | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | so mazel tov | [19:06] |
BingoBongo | ;; ticker | [19:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.25025, Best ask: 21.38000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12975, Last trade: 21.25000, 24 hour volume: 80777.74688070, 24 hour low: 19.42552, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.34921 | [19:10] |
gesell | does anyone know if exchanges operate their own bots. ive noticed bots responding to bids with <500ms delay to my bids on one exchange | [19:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5106 @ 0.00066647 = 3.403 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066384 = 2.8685 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4297 @ 0.00066383 = 2.8525 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7102 @ 0.00066299 = 4.7086 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
gesell | smickles: throw into it your monitoring of this channel and mpex. get share holder info automated where possible, have an article every month... a couple other pretty graphs. and your done | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | gesell which one ? | [19:13] |
gesell | for instance, historical data of mpex might be usefull and not provided anywhere yet | [19:13] |
gesell | mircea_popescu: bitcoin-24 | [19:13] |
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gesell | smickles: most of it could be public. for instance mircea's insight on pirate insider trading. but you could have comments to that private to subscribers | [19:15] |
gesell | already with that you provide a nice community | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | eh, another bootstrap | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | didn't even know it existed. | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | 19.7 ? srsly ? | [19:16] |
gesell | smickles: mircea_popescu might even help you by giving you a dump of the historical trades ;) | [19:16] |
gesell | bitcoin-24 is very close to mtgox price | [19:17] |
jurov | i'll write a book "MPEx: The Missing Manual" and sell it for 10BTC. dead trees only. | [19:17] |
gesell | they take no cover for trades | [19:17] |
gesell | bitcoin-24 is only based on donations atm | [19:17] |
gesell | scary as sht from the security perspective. but then again, maybe they their money by cherry picking trades via the backend and bots | [19:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00066299 = 1.9399 BTC [-] | [19:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2772 @ 0.00066299 = 1.8378 BTC [-] | [19:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00066144 = 3.7371 BTC [-] | [19:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4378 @ 0.00066042 = 2.8913 BTC [-] | [19:27] |
DeadWeasel | I'll OCR that shit and sell it for 5BTC, of course I'll only sell one before it's a torrent, and we're both screwed. | [19:28] |
DeadWeasel | How about someone writes a guide on how to handle their taxes when they have BTC? | [19:28] |
DeadWeasel | I have no clue. | [19:29] |
DeadWeasel | any pointers?> | [19:29] |
gesell | then ill take the torrent, cut it up into tweet size segments, and embed it in the blockchain | [19:29] |
gesell | man that message feature for the chain is gonna be a disaster some day | [19:30] |
gesell | then again, maybe its exactly what moorse law needed | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.mpoe | [19:30] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00065258 / 0.0006662 / 0.00067692 (1721184 shares, 1,146.66 BTC), 7D: 0.00061382 / 0.00067113 / 0.0007 (22322554 shares, 14,981.48 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065641 / 0.0007 (49935623 shares, 32,778.42 BTC) | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 666200 * 21.5 | [19:31] |
gribble | 14323300 | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | i win internets. | [19:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20122 @ 0.00066042 = 13.289 BTC [-] | [19:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283 @ 0.00065946 = 0.1866 BTC [-] | [19:34] |
JohnGalt1337 | you want to be the richest person in romania? | [19:36] |
gesell | audios | [19:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00065946 = 2.7038 BTC [-] | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | jeez negative q4 gdp. they're fucked over there aren't they. | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder how's the indexes | [19:41] |
JohnGalt1337 | where negative? US? | [19:44] |
mircea_popescu | ya' | [19:45] |
DeadWeasel | can anybody point me to a guide on how to pay taxes on my BTCs? Do I need to? | [19:45] |
DeadWeasel | US here | [19:46] |
kakobreklaa | dunno | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | DeadWeasel you should prolly ask an accountant. | [19:46] |
JohnGalt1337 | http://i.imgur.com/36xaw6e.jpg | [19:47] |
kakobreklaa | otc trade here is untaxed luckaly | [19:47] |
JohnGalt1337 | that should answer your question | [19:47] |
DeadWeasel | it does. | [19:47] |
DeadWeasel | well, they can't prove I own shit. | [19:47] |
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DeadWeasel | so fuck'em | [19:47] |
JohnGalt1337 | somebody gifted it to you | [19:47] |
jurov | your computed catched that bitcoin malware | [19:48] |
DeadWeasel | you don't pay taxes when you buy whatever it is to play farmville, right? | [19:49] |
DeadWeasel | or gold in WoW? | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | that;s about what i figure. | [19:50] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | it's all in there. | [19:50] |
DeadWeasel | how is it any different? | [19:50] |
DeadWeasel | thx mp | [19:50] |
JohnGalt1337 | dunno about us tax code, but you have to tax any income but from games it is usally too small | [19:50] |
JohnGalt1337 | if it's under 20k you have it's meh, over that ask some tax advisor | [19:51] |
DeadWeasel | and it's not income until you sell it, right? | [19:51] |
JohnGalt1337 | yes | [19:52] |
JohnGalt1337 | that's for sure, some countries may have fictive income | [19:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.0217 = 0.1519 BTC [-] | [19:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 171 @ 0.0216 = 3.6936 BTC [-] | [19:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-] | [19:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0213 BTC [-] | [19:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.021 BTC [-] | [19:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 150 @ 0.0202 = 3.03 BTC [-] | [19:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.0201 = 1.005 BTC [-] | [19:53] |
JohnGalt1337 | s.dice wants 1 confirm now? | [19:56] |
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mircea_popescu | does it ? | [20:05] |
JohnGalt1337 | can't get an instant 2-figure bet | [20:06] |
dub | ;;bc,stats | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | JohnGalt1337 possibly cause of your inputs ? | [20:07] |
gribble | Error: invalid syntax ( |
[20:07] |
dub | ;;bc,stats | [20:07] |
dub | ;;bc,diffchange | [20:07] |
gribble | Error: invalid syntax ( |
[20:08] |
gribble | Error: invalid syntax ( |
[20:08] |
dub | decent uptick here http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png | [20:09] |
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mircea_popescu | yah | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | definitely asics online. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | 33th thoroughput atm | [20:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006596 = 2.8501 BTC [+] | [20:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00065946 = 0.5797 BTC [-] | [20:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1241 @ 0.00668864 = 8.3006 BTC [-] | [20:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 59 @ 0.00665746 = 0.3928 BTC [-] | [20:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 5 @ 0.20602845 = 1.0301 BTC [+] | [20:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 5 @ 0.23256963 = 1.1628 BTC [+] | [20:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 5 @ 0.29273405 = 1.4637 BTC [+] | [20:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11788 @ 0.00065946 = 7.7737 BTC [-] | [20:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6363 @ 0.00065883 = 4.1921 BTC [-] | [20:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0074 = 0.0148 BTC [-] | [20:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3937 @ 0.00065883 = 2.5938 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00065725 = 8.84 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14184 @ 0.00065669 = 9.3145 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2829 @ 0.00065564 = 1.8548 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1493791#msg1493791 | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | so the hash increase is not asicminer. | [20:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00066117 = 1.5828 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5142 @ 0.00066223 = 3.4052 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00066591 = 1.9311 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 554 @ 0.00067067 = 0.3716 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067103 = 2.8995 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4839 @ 0.00067104 = 3.2472 BTC [+] | [20:46] |
kakobreklaa | so bfl will be last of them all | [20:46] |
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kakobreklaa | maybe they are having a drink with tom somewhere | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:47] |
imsaguy | You know who else was always cocky with the clients? Pirate and that ended well. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | i must confess, i am pretty blown away. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | i had just about zero faith in any of them people producing working asic miners. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | that two out of four would is like... wow. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | course, it's still not cut and dried, the recent uptick in hashrate may well be people putting old gpus online cause of price increase | [20:49] |
imsaguy | yes. | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | but if indeed they hash im wow'd. | [20:49] |
imsaguy | price increase>difficulty increase | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | imsaguy yea. | [20:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00067103 = 2.0802 BTC [-] | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine with btc over 20 pretty much everyone turned on everything they could. | [20:49] |
imsaguy | for a little while :) | [20:50] |
kakobreklaa | ;;ticker | [20:51] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.19101, Best ask: 21.24999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05898, Last trade: 21.29900, 24 hour volume: 88825.09670330, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.45318 | [20:51] |
kakobreklaa | ;;bc,convert eur | [20:51] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 21.29900 U.S. dollars = 15.7188192 Euros | [20:51] |
jurov | just 0.04 from that bitbet bid... as if exactly calculated to keep the suspense | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol! | [20:52] |
jurov | (disclosure: I have bet No) | [20:52] |
Bugpowder | DeadWeasel, IANAL but a conservative position would be that any dividends or payments to you in bitcoin is considered income at the current exchange rate and should be reported. Any price gains in bitcoin holdings would be treated as capital gains upon sale of the coins | [20:53] |
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mircea_popescu | Bugpowder the btc graph is copying your portofolio graph | [20:53] |
kakobreklaa | infinitive loop then | [20:54] |
kakobreklaa | were fucked | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | ya lol | [20:54] |
Bugpowder | well | [20:54] |
Bugpowder | my graph is accelerating | [20:54] |
Bugpowder | as the calls go ITM | [20:54] |
kakobreklaa | speed>9000 | [20:55] |
imsaguy | Where's the short squeeze when you need it? | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | tghere's no shorts to squeeze | [20:55] |
Bugpowder | 27 | [20:55] |
Bugpowder | 29.9 is coming | [20:56] |
Bugpowder | I hope | [20:56] |
Bugpowder | the ask pyramid is pretty awesome | [20:56] |
imsaguy | mircea_popescu, you know as well as I do, that things won't run away forever | [20:56] |
imsaguy | at some point, there is always a ceiling | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | imsaguy sure. i don't even think it'll hit 30 tbh. | [20:57] |
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imsaguy | well, given your track record with asics, that means nothing. | [20:57] |
imsaguy | jcpham, I'm pretty long ;) | [20:57] |
jcpham | that's what the the ladies say about me too | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [20:57] |
jcpham | think also | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | but even so, there's no shorts to squeeze. | [20:58] |
jcpham | you can squueze my shorts | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | sounds scary jcpham | [20:59] |
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jcpham | i'll make a video for you | [20:59] |
jcpham | showing my shorts be squoze | [20:59] |
jcpham | freshly squoze | [20:59] |
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Bugpowder | uhooh | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/206/bitcoin-market-cap-above-1-billion-before-end/ | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | this is a good one | [21:02] |
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jurov | teology meets bitcoin: http://dailyanarchist.com/2013/01/30/is-bitcoin-sharia-compliant/ | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha o this title promises | [21:13] |
Bugpowder | it probably is. | [21:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6106 @ 0.00067089 = 4.0965 BTC [-] | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | the article fails to deliver. | [21:14] |
DeadWeasel | Bugpowder: that's what I expect. Fortunately I've realized no gains as I've sold nothing. I only hold BTCs, not assets, I'm here trying to figure out if I want to. | [21:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00689774 = 4.8284 BTC [+] | [21:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00693297 = 7.6263 BTC [+] | [21:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00698411 = 2.0952 BTC [+] | [21:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00067089 = 10.3653 BTC [-] | [21:16] |
Bugpowder | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tax_compliance | [21:18] |
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mod6 | ;;asks 25 | [21:26] |
gribble | There are currently 20903.827 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 479496.181721 USD in total. | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [21:26] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.10002, Best ask: 21.21999, Bid-ask spread: 0.11997, Last trade: 21.21999, 24 hour volume: 89530.44568844, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.47918 | [21:26] |
mod6 | :D | [21:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5577 @ 0.00067089 = 3.7416 BTC [-] | [21:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00067104 = 10.938 BTC [+] | [21:32] |
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mod6 | It looks like it might run up to $25 though. The word is out on coinz though. My buddies keep blowing up my phone "OMG MOD6 MAKE US POKER SITE NOW!!!111" | [21:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0074 = 0.74 BTC [-] | [21:47] |
mod6 | I mean these guys are not IT people or anything, just poker guys who are dying to play online again. | [21:47] |
mod6 | lol | [21:47] |
mod6 | gonna just have to get some seed money maybe to hire d00dz to help me with dev. or clone myself 69 times. | [21:49] |
mod6 | anyway, we'll see. | [21:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6311 @ 0.00067104 = 4.2349 BTC [+] | [21:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21689 @ 0.00067228 = 14.5811 BTC [+] | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | poker site ?! | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | what's wrong with seals ? | [21:51] |
mod6 | ya! i told 'em about seals with clubs | [21:51] |
kakobreklaa | micon. | [21:51] |
mod6 | haha. i dunno. i liked seals with clubs. | [21:52] |
mod6 | i played there a few times when coins were like $3 | [21:52] |
mod6 | just checkin it out... you know? | [21:53] |
awkorama | mod6> so you are putting together an it team for poker site? | [21:56] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 30 @ 0.0091 = 0.273 BTC [-] | [21:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1551 @ 0.00067089 = 1.0406 BTC [-] | [22:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3299 @ 0.00066114 = 2.1811 BTC [-] | [22:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1221 @ 0.00067224 = 0.8208 BTC [+] | [22:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6824 @ 0.00067228 = 4.5876 BTC [+] | [22:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.0068976 = 5.5181 BTC [-] | [22:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00724211 = 1.4484 BTC [+] | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | micon is marginally relevant. i mean, he's the site's stuffie. who cares whart he does ? | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | i'm just guessing it's a waste of effort to reimplement something that already exists and works. | [22:06] |
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mircea_popescu | hm, is bitcointalk down ? | [22:06] |
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Diablo-D3 | oh dear lord | [22:07] |
Diablo-D3 | usagi is back again | [22:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] | [22:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.685 = 4.11 BTC [-] | [22:08] |
rng29a | mircea_popescu: it's very slow today | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | they gotta feed the hamsters some tobacco | [22:08] |
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mod6 | awkorama: well, I guess im gonna be meeting with some of these guys to see if they wanna put their money where their mouth is. | [22:19] |
mod6 | I'll let yall know what's up, I'm certainly gonna need dev help. | [22:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 672 @ 0.00683849 = 4.5955 BTC [-] | [22:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3299 = 0.9897 BTC [+] | [22:20] |
mod6 | Well, from what it sounds like, they want something similar to Pokerstars | [22:24] |
mod6 | These guys were told about btc and poker a while ago but they blew it off. Now they want to get their foot in the door. | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | i wouldn't mind listing a poker site if it were any good. | [22:25] |
dub | hehe you're asking for it | [22:28] |
mod6 | i know huh? | [22:28] |
mod6 | well, these guys already have a firm foothold in legal gambling here in mn anyway. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | that's always good. | [22:29] |
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mod6 | so... im not sure. gotta talk to 'em and see what makes sense. I think they're starting to see that BTC is the way of the future. Imagine all of the old ladies and their iPad's playing slots at home... | [22:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00067228 = 9.9497 BTC [+] | [22:29] |
mod6 | ding ding ding ding ding | [22:30] |
mod6 | but yeah, I'll really need the help with some of this stuff if they're serious. I'll let you guys know more when I do :) | [22:30] |
error4734 | something big it's going on ;) | [22:31] |
error4734 | *for poker in BTC | [22:31] |
dub | what we need is a big hack, gox would do | [22:32] |
error4734 | something big is going on for hacking in BTC ! | [22:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1281 @ 0.00668006 = 8.5572 BTC [-] | [22:34] |
mod6 | well, hacks come and go. they're there to remind us to secure our BTC properly, right? | [22:34] |
error4734 | yep 100% | [22:34] |
error4734 | it's good is just for small change | [22:34] |
error4734 | just a big warning | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | actually im curious what's the next big drama | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | the asic stuff kinda getting stale | [22:35] |
mod6 | I thought it was gonna be the asics too. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | we need a strategic diversion before they blow up as scams | [22:35] |
error4734 | why always drama.. :) | [22:35] |
dub | im guessing its evorhees getting gitmo'd | [22:35] |
dub | him or that mircea_popescu guy | [22:35] |
mod6 | let us srsly hope not. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | im not that drama worthy am i | [22:36] |
error4734 | huhuhuhu | [22:36] |
error4734 | they are the same personn | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | bah. why doesn't anyone think erik is mpoe-pr instead! | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | why does everyone think everyone's me | [22:36] |
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error4734 | because it's a dog | [22:37] |
error4734 | http://mpex.co/faq.html | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | what's a dog | [22:38] |
error4734 | srsly, how much beer do you drink before writting this FAQ ? | [22:38] |
error4734 | or how many țuică | [22:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00066191 = 5.4939 BTC [-] | [22:40] |
jurov | apparently im using blockchain.info too much.. they just shown me windows xp boot gif instead | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | error4734 you ever seen a better faq ? | [22:40] |
error4734 | No... | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | so then alcohol blood content .1337 | [22:43] |
error4734 | but tmrw if some1 want to put 2M$ on table, idk if he'll thinks like me | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | if he doesn't he's free to go get himself scammed and learn the hard way. | [22:46] |
jurov | he can use coinbr, then :DDD | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | do you even have a faq ? | [22:47] |
jurov | http://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/frequently-asked-questions/ | [22:48] |
dub | do you even faq bro? | [22:48] |
mod6 | haha | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | whoa | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | a forum ? | [22:49] |
jurov | yes. much better one then btctalk | [22:49] |
jurov | but they came late i think | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | tbh at this point bitcointalk is irreplaceable. | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | i could do five simultaneous master's degrees on it | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | all related to "wisdom" of crowds | [22:51] |
jurov | ;;ticker | [22:51] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 21.09991, Best ask: 21.16990, Bid-ask spread: 0.06999, Last trade: 21.09991, 24 hour volume: 88274.64269609, 24 hour low: 19.51123, 24 hour high: 21.43000, 24 hour vwap: 20.53304 | [22:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-] | [22:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00066191 = 0.0662 BTC [-] | [22:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2811 @ 0.00067228 = 1.8898 BTC [+] | [22:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00067411 = 7.9882 BTC [+] | [22:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8509 @ 0.00067487 = 5.7425 BTC [+] | [22:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30 @ 0.00067507 = 0.0203 BTC [+] | [22:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1514 @ 0.00666937 = 10.0974 BTC [-] | [22:58] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 886 @ 0.00669921 = 5.9355 BTC [+] | [22:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1238 @ 0.00678949 = 8.4054 BTC [+] | [22:59] |
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jcpham | crowd-source wisdom | [23:06] |
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burnside | [23:08] | |
burnside | ;) | [23:08] |
burnside | we'll be best friends some day. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | after you both fall in love for some girl. | [23:09] |
Ukto | hopefully sooner | [23:09] |
Ukto | mircea_popescu: married w/ kids. so prolly not | [23:10] |
burnside | ditto here. haha | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | sounds like something that'd make a good luis de funes comedy by now. | [23:11] |
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burnside | thank you, it's a fun project | [23:12] |
burnside | make it better | [23:13] |
burnside | ;) | [23:13] |
awkorama | which one is it ? | [23:13] |
burnside | btct.co/litecoinglobal.com | [23:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00067507 = 8.5059 BTC [+] | [23:13] |
burnside | yeah, I love the bitfunder charts | [23:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.16602013 BTC [-] | [23:14] |
burnside | I used that same engine for charts on a previous project | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | soo, anyone wanna recommend a good movie ? | [23:15] |
burnside | I was graphing the weighted price per Mh on several of the leading mining assets on GLBSE using it | [23:15] |
burnside | got frustrated with a few things, went a different direction for btct | [23:16] |
burnside | might end up going back, it'd be an easy swap | [23:16] |
burnside | right now? just because there are higher priority (read: more fun) things to work on | [23:17] |
burnside | lol | [23:17] |
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* | Ukto sighs | [23:19] |
Ukto | stupid carriers using stupid equipment | [23:19] |
burnside | cogent? | [23:19] |
Ukto | trying to turn up another gige, and their brocade XMR is being stupid over port negotiation | [23:20] |
burnside | we've had good luck with brocade, but don't use them for transit, only internal switching and load balancing | [23:20] |
dub | floundry'd | [23:20] |
Ukto | dub: yup | [23:20] |
* | dub was up at 3 this morning talking to brocade | [23:21] |
Ukto | one gige on one module/port is fine. they just shippd a newer model card out for our latest gige, and it wont turn up. apparently there is a firmware bug effecting the newer card. | [23:21] |
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burnside | ugh, nightmare. :( | [23:21] |
Ukto | which means HE.net has to do a full firmware upgrade on that core router | [23:21] |
Bowjob | ooh, dice is bak | [23:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2118 @ 0.00067507 = 1.4298 BTC [+] | [23:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15532 @ 0.00067536 = 10.4897 BTC [+] | [23:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.16599164 BTC [-] | [23:22] |
Ukto | I told them "that, or just overnight another older module" | [23:22] |
burnside | prolly bunch of 'em on ebay | [23:22] |
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Ukto | spent the last week trying to get this port up, to be told its our side the entire time, yet the port works fine with L3/GBLX, nLayer, Equinix's switching fabric, and our own internal stuff. | [23:23] |
Ukto | Configing cisco is not hard. speed neg, or noneg. | [23:23] |
burnside | now ya know why he | [23:24] |
burnside | is cheaper | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | Bowjob was it offline ? | [23:24] |
Ukto | They have a rock solid network | [23:24] |
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Bowjob | No, I mean the profits. | [23:25] |
Bowjob | that was quick | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | o o | [23:25] |
Bowjob | that whale got slaughtered | [23:25] |
burnside | I love their free ipv6 tunneling service | [23:25] |
Ukto | Besides, being a firmware issue, I can understand their expectancy the issue being on my side | [23:25] |
kakobreklaa | sd profits... as stable as usd/btc. | [23:25] |
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Ukto | same for brocade, simple commands to configure a port. | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | lol kakobreklaa | [23:25] |
Diablo-D3 | heh | [23:26] |
burnside | yeah, not the behavior you'd expect for sure, definitely not something you'd think would require firmware updates | [23:26] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: lolrouters | [23:26] |
Ukto | wtf. did gox just frop from 21.14 to 20.82? x.x | [23:26] |
Ukto | drop* | [23:26] |
Diablo-D3 | at least we're over 20 | [23:26] |
Ukto | for now. | [23:26] |
Ukto | hopefully it will last | [23:26] |
Ukto | burnside: besides, if its the carrier the cusomer chooses to pay for, I am happy making money on it. ;) | [23:27] |
Ukto | EskimoBob: did you know you can drag-zoom on the graphs? ;) | [23:28] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: he.net sucks dongs sometimes, btw | [23:28] |
* | Ukto has been testing some newer updates the graph and some additional graphs | [23:28] |
Ukto | Diablo-D3: depends on where I think | [23:28] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: which DC are you in? | [23:29] |
Ukto | my HE stuff in Armster and euro work just as good as in dallas | [23:29] |
Ukto | Diablo-D3: Equinix, in all locations | [23:29] |
Diablo-D3 | oh man | [23:29] |
Ukto | well, all my locaitons | [23:29] |
Ukto | not in all of theirs lol | [23:29] |
burnside | yeah, if the customer wants cheap bandwidth, no reason to not give it to 'em. better to keep 'em happy and take a cut. | [23:29] |
Diablo-D3 | equinix is fucking expensive | [23:29] |
Ukto | yes, yes they are | [23:29] |
kakobreklaa | >>Yeah. The BTC-sphere is like in the meatspace: you may be punished just for pennies, but if you scam really big time you become Too Big To Jail. Learn the lesson and don't trust anyone ever more, especially the big fat fishes with super-hero rep. | [23:30] |
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Ukto | i hate having to pay $200 to have them do a hard loopback in other countries jsut to test a fiber | [23:30] |
kakobreklaa | fuck i need to scam one or two to lower my rating | [23:30] |
kakobreklaa | cant get any biz with perfect grade anymore! | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: I dont trust anyone, to be honest | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | DMC 2.0 will have a new rule | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | no investing in other bitcoin companies | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | period | [23:30] |
kakobreklaa | DMC2.0 rule: dont trust diablo | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | not even asicminer, the only successful bitcoin company ever | [23:30] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: trusting me isnt the issue | [23:30] |
Ukto | other companies non-bitcoin related can be just as bad | [23:31] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: hell, Im paying out of my own pocket to deal with this shit, and Im permabroke | [23:31] |
Ukto | the only think you can trust a bank to do, is win | [23:31] |
Ukto | :P | [23:31] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: at least them you can sue | [23:31] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 deal with what shit | [23:31] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: nefario's bullshit | [23:31] |
kakobreklaa | and how much did it cost you out of your pocket so far? | [23:31] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob_afk: because I usually dont take programming jobs | [23:32] |
kakobreklaa | its preety hard to go broke with a deflationary bitcoin | [23:32] |
jcpham | hello | [23:33] |
jcpham | how are you today EskimoBob_afk | [23:33] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: I have about 240 btc in my wallet thus far | [23:33] |
jurov | kakobreklaa i can re-rate you for the fsa stuff, no problem | [23:33] |
jcpham | damn Diablo-D3 is ballin' | [23:33] |
jcpham | nice EskimoBob_afk | [23:33] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: which is better than the 0 that nefario left us. | [23:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00066923 = 2.1415 BTC [-] | [23:33] |
Ukto | wow. | [23:34] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 how much did it cost you from your own pocket? | [23:34] |
Ukto | my 7yr old son just came to me takling about plant vs zombies. and says "I wanna be a game designer when I grow up. You know what game I wanna make? Plant vs zombies 2" | [23:34] |
kakobreklaa | tell him | [23:35] |
kakobreklaa | hes gonna get sued | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | when did asicminer become successful to begin with ? | [23:35] |
Ukto | I simply told him its already in the works | [23:35] |
Ukto | :P | [23:35] |
Ukto | his response was "Poopies!" | [23:35] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: I could sell the 240 btc and not have to worry about money for awhile. | [23:35] |
* | jcpham is now known as PotsiRewards | [23:35] |
kakobreklaa | Ukto i thought it would be : "how about 3?" | [23:35] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 wtf is this suppose to mean | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [23:36] |
Ukto | hehe | [23:36] |
kakobreklaa | that you are paying out of your pocket not to be a fuckin scammer | [23:36] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: it means the 240 btc are out of my own pocket and will be spent on DMC. | [23:36] |
PotsiRewards | poopies | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | investors have no pockets | [23:36] |
Ukto | PotsiRewards: whats up with the nick? | [23:36] |
PotsiRewards | u no like rewards | [23:37] |
PotsiRewards | ? | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | what;s a potsi | [23:37] |
Ukto | its the cousin of a ponzi | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | like patsy ? | [23:37] |
Ukto | same thing, just diff clothes :P | [23:37] |
jurov | lmao i already got several times my initial btc investment back... | [23:37] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: and remember, I also burned the shares I had in DMC as well | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | you had shares ? | [23:37] |
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Ukto | burnside: do you think the avalons will start to make a dent in the mining assets value? | [23:37] |
* | PotsiRewards is now known as PotsieRewards | [23:38] |
PotsieRewards | my new company | [23:38] |
PotsieRewards | very trust #1 | [23:38] |
Ukto | good enough for me, whre do I invest? | [23:38] |
Ukto | ;) | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | do you make asics PotsieRewards ? | [23:38] |
PotsieRewards | exactly | [23:38] |
burnside | Ukto, I'm it will. I'm not sure how much, but the assets that don't have asic plans are going to get kind of ugly | [23:38] |
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PotsieRewards | throw your money at the screen and watch it fall back in your lap | [23:38] |
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* | PotsieRewards bigtime ASIC | [23:38] |
Ukto | PotsieRewards: 1 sec | [23:39] |
PotsieRewards | no refunds | [23:39] |
PotsieRewards | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA50pZQRgYU | [23:39] |
Ukto | WOOH, I just made $500! | [23:39] |
Bowjob | how | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | i dont have any money. can i throw pate ? | [23:39] |
pigeons | I am Mr. Messan Johnson Esq from Lome Togo. My new company very trust #1 | [23:39] |
* | Ukto put shis money back | [23:39] |
dub | mircea_popescu: is it in a tube? :) | [23:39] |
Ukto | Bowjob: was a jooke about throwing money at the screen | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | it's in a tin | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | says FRAENC | [23:39] |
PotsieRewards | very trust #1 top rewards | [23:40] |
PotsieRewards | send money now. | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135936054067.jpg ? | [23:41] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: I mean, you can say what you want, but at least Im trying to fix it the best I can | [23:41] |
dub | ;;google FRAENC pate | [23:41] |
gribble | Foie gras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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kakobreklaa | hey im just trying to grasp whats happening | [23:41] |
PotsieRewards | mircea_popescu u find pictures of my PR | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | which one of them ? | [23:42] |
PotsieRewards | top trust rewards for early adopters | [23:42] |
PotsieRewards | legitimate | [23:42] |
dub | my google bubble returns a bunch of crypto related links | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | they don't look young enough t obe adopted PotsieRewards | [23:42] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: the short of it is nefario in league with people issuing fake mining bonds to steal money from investors | [23:42] |
dub | nothing pate related at all | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | dub was just dicking around with fake dyslexia. | [23:42] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 how does taht affect you? | [23:43] |
kakobreklaa | it shoudlnt | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | the nefario league! | [23:43] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: DMC was renting mining power from these people | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3445 @ 0.00067536 = 2.3266 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067596 = 9.5648 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20058 @ 0.00067626 = 13.5644 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6056 @ 0.0006769 = 4.0993 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2991 @ 0.00067691 = 2.0246 BTC [+] | [23:43] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: until we could afford to build the DC and install our own mining hardware | [23:43] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: when glbse collapsed, two of these investments seem to have just walked away | [23:44] |
dub | and windmills | [23:44] |
Ukto | Fusion energy is the way to go | [23:44] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: the third is asicminer which has not yet paid dividends yet (they should begin mining first week of feb) | [23:44] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: solar and wind IS fusion energy. | [23:44] |
Ukto | :P | [23:45] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: why build fusion reactors when we're in orbit around a gigantic fusion reactor | [23:45] |
error4733 | +1 | [23:45] |
Ukto | hehe | [23:45] |
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pigeons | what are the 2 that walked away | [23:45] |
Ukto | I was working on a way to collect head from my DC and transform it into energy | [23:45] |
kakobreklaa | solar is bullshit | [23:46] |
error4733 | why ? | [23:46] |
Diablo-D3 | pigeons: btc-mining and btcmc | [23:46] |
error4733 | massive lobbing try to keep this idea true | [23:46] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: and its not, its just that most people, such as yourself, simply does not understand solar | [23:46] |
burnside | DC pumps out a ton of heat. I wish I could just pump it to local houses or something, sell it somehow. | [23:46] |
Diablo-D3 | burnside: a DC doesnt NEED to pump out a lot of heat | [23:47] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 i installed about 1 megawatt of solar power plants | [23:47] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 how much did you | [23:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00665746 = 10.3191 BTC [-] | [23:47] |
pigeons | Diablo-D3: is this the same btc-mining that is now on btct.co? | [23:47] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobreklaa: only 1? | [23:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00673464 = 12.1224 BTC [+] | [23:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00678949 = 1.032 BTC [+] | [23:47] |
Diablo-D3 | pigeons: yes, the same one namworld manages | [23:47] |
kakobreklaa | Diablo-D3 yes, is that 1 more than you? | [23:47] |
burnside | Diablo-D3, it does when a bunch of the boxes are mining coins. ;) | [23:47] |
burnside | We're actually pretty green. We cool with outside air 80% of the year | [23:48] |
pigeons | what does namworld say about that? is he paying dividends over on btct? | [23:48] |
Diablo-D3 | burnside: DMC's DC was specializing in high density compute, bitcoin doesnt quite fit that definition | [23:48] |
Diablo-D3 | pigeons: amazingrando basically fucked him and everyone else | [23:48] |
Ukto | burnside: I ran dual redundant 400kva liebert ups at my last facility, had redundant megawatt feeds comming in. our usage peaked at about .7mw | [23:48] |
Ukto | so we generated a lot of heat. ;) | [23:48] |
Bowjob | 20k profit for dice | [23:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00067421 = 2.1912 BTC [-] | [23:49] |
Diablo-D3 | pigeons: theres no dividends to pay because amazingrando isnt paying them out | [23:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6199 @ 0.00067691 = 4.1962 BTC [+] | [23:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00067709 = 2.2012 BTC [+] | [23:49] |
Diablo-D3 | burnside, Ukto: dmc was going to be doing rack densities of 25-30kw per rack. | [23:49] |
burnside | haha, that is a ton of heat. | [23:49] |
pigeons | thanks | [23:49] |
Ukto | I designed a custom "green" handler for the heat. setup the heat flow to vent the heat out of the building, and in winter, sucked in cold air from the other side | [23:49] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: thats called an air economizer, btw | [23:50] |
Ukto | let me tell you, it cut down my chilled water bill like mad ;) | [23:50] |
Ukto | building was a little annoyed tho | [23:50] |
burnside | We had to do a custom gig too, the economizer unit for our air handler was going to be 10x what we could build ourselves. | [23:50] |
burnside | 10x $$ that is | [23:50] |
Ukto | cause while I pushed my hot air out, and had my air handlers for the chilled water, I was sucking cold air in from the building. :P | [23:50] |
Ukto | their engineer gave us permission. LOL | [23:51] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: DMC was going to use a combination of air economizers and in row water chilling using hot aisle containment | [23:51] |
PotsieRewards | top number one trust | [23:51] |
Ukto | Diablo-D3: honestly its overkill | [23:51] |
burnside | haha, that's awesome. feeding on the building hvac? | [23:51] |
Diablo-D3 | and then use on-site vertical geothermal pumps to pull up extra cold water | [23:51] |
burnside | ^^ I'd love to do | [23:52] |
Ukto | I was using the badass APC cabinets | [23:52] |
Diablo-D3 | APC does make decent cabs | [23:52] |
Ukto | and was talking with them about doing door based chilled cooling units | [23:52] |
Ukto | but the cost | [23:52] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: btw, what I said isnt overkill when you're doing 25-30kw per rack | [23:52] |
Ukto | risk exposure | [23:52] |
Ukto | etc | [23:52] |
Ukto | wasnt worth it | [23:52] |
Diablo-D3 | the industry average is 2-4kw per rack, never filled to max | [23:52] |
Ukto | what are you putting in the cabinets | [23:53] |
Ukto | load testers? | [23:53] |
Ukto | :P | [23:53] |
Diablo-D3 | whatever the customer wants | [23:53] |
Diablo-D3 | but most likely tightly packed blades and thumpers | [23:53] |
Ukto | and your charging them $10~15k ? | [23:53] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: probably $20k-$25k with all the power you need | [23:53] |
* | Ukto has a cbainet full of the latest high end Dell blades. Only have 6kva. + 6 redundant | [23:54] |
Ukto | lemme tell you, i had to push hard to get a good deal out of equix for it | [23:54] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: Im being lazy, whats that in watts | [23:55] |
Ukto | -_- | [23:55] |
Diablo-D3 | its not 6000. | [23:55] |
awkorama | lol | [23:55] |
Ukto | no | [23:56] |
Ukto | 4.8kW | [23:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00706606 = 1.4132 BTC [+] | [23:56] |
Diablo-D3 | you're only using that in the whole rack? wtf | [23:57] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: btw, since the DC is in maine and we get ice cold weather 3 months of the year, and pretty chilly weather 6 months of the year | [23:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13599 @ 0.00067709 = 9.2077 BTC [+] | [23:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3701 @ 0.00067745 = 2.5072 BTC [+] | [23:57] |
Diablo-D3 | it could be up to 3 months of AC not running | [23:58] |
Ukto | hehe | [23:58] |
Diablo-D3 | just air economization and thats it | [23:58] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: okay so, 4.8kw _the whole rack_ and its all blades top to bottom? | [23:59] |
Ukto | The cab has 4 30amp 240v circuits | [23:59] |
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