Forum logs for 30 Sep 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.6301 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.02200001 BTC [-]	[00:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 3 @ 0.54995 = 1.6499 BTC [+]	[00:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]	[00:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.022 = 0.044 BTC [-]	[00:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.02102001 BTC [-]	[00:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.02102 = 0.042 BTC [-]	[00:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.02002 = 0.2202 BTC [-]	[00:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [-]	[00:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 16 @ 0.1 = 1.6 BTC [+]	[00:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 94 @ 0.1 = 9.4 BTC [-]	[00:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.095 BTC [-]	[00:19]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 20 @ 0.09 = 1.8 BTC [-]	[00:20]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.03399999 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 63 @ 0.034 = 2.142 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.035 = 1.75 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.039 = 1.95 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 46 @ 0.04 = 1.84 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.04105551 = 0.0821 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.04498 = 0.1349 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 129 @ 0.045 = 5.805 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.04997 = 0.1999 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.04997 = 0.1999 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.04999999 = 0.9 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 22 @ 0.05 = 1.1 BTC [+]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 44 @ 0.07 = 3.08 BTC [-]	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 730 @ 0.00044037 = 0.3215 BTC [+]	[00:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 9 @ 0.07978 = 0.718 BTC [+]	[00:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.04998 = 0.3998 BTC [-]	[00:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 9 @ 0.07986 = 0.7187 BTC [+]	[00:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.049979 = 0.6497 BTC [-]	[00:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04997999 BTC [+]	[00:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04998 BTC [+]	[00:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.049 = 0.196 BTC [-]	[00:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.049979 = 0.1499 BTC [+]	[00:31]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54499999 = 1.09 BTC [-]	[00:38]
smickles	usagi scammer tag?	[00:38]
smickles	me? nope	[00:38]
smickles	i'm saving money to launch a biz	[00:39]
Obsi	usagi got tagged?	[00:39]
smickles	an accounting company	[00:39]
Obsi	I bougth some today yes	[00:39]
smickles	oh jeez, i can't read the last word of questions, it seems	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	what, on the forum ?	[00:39]
smickles	Smoovious: I have family who are accountants, and I've been studying accounting for a while now	[00:40]
smickles	(it'll actually be a bookkeeping company)	[00:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.545 = 1.09 BTC [+]	[00:40]
jurov	fuck, came home slightly drunk just to find out this time you had to pay the dividend twice.. and coinbr is still not fixed to pay it fully automatically	[00:41]
smickles	Smoovious: I have a few clients lined up who are bitcoin related	[00:41]
jurov	i mean S.MPOE	[00:41]
Obsi	smickles: how much to launder money from meth biz through car wash?	[00:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]	[00:42]
smickles	My plan is to provide good service to a few clients and expand with the funds I gain	[00:42]
smickles	Obsi: would you agree to compensate me for potential jail time?	[00:42]
Obsi	but jail has free food	[00:43]
jurov	i'm outta here.. goodnight	[00:43]
smickles	Obsi: it separated me from my wife and daughter tho :P	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	jurov hello there :)	[00:44]
Obsi	some would pay for such things	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	i fucked up, only paid part the first time. sorry!	[00:44]
smickles	Smoovious: Sounds good to me, USD-mostly makes it easier	[00:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.049979 BTC [+]	[00:46]
smickles	Smoovious: indeed, I've got a little redtape to deal with myself, so in a couple/few months, I should have a smoothe operation running :)	[00:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.03000001 BTC [-]	[00:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003641 = 3.641 BTC [-]	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00036409 = 3.6409 BTC [-]	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.000364 = 7.826 BTC [-]	[00:47]
Obsi	smickles: you do any consulting?	[00:48]
smickles	Obsi: If it falls in my sphere of knowledge, I certainly could	[00:48]
Obsi	What rates?	[00:49]
smickles	Pretty much, I just won't be able to do audits, because I'm not a CPA (yet)	[00:49]
Obsi	LLC all the things!	[00:49]
smickles	Obsi: Right now, it looks like the fee will be 5.6 an hour once I incorporate	[00:50]
Obsi	pre-incorporation discounts? :-D	[00:50]
smickles	pre-incorporation i am busy moving from NC to AZ	[00:51]
smickles	Smoovious: sounds cool, you said this is going to be in Michigan?	[00:51]
smickles	(sp?)	[00:51]
Obsi	you gonna dry out and feel like a rasin for 2 weeks	[00:52]
smickles	How about that. it sounds like it would be interesting to do work for you :)	[00:55]
smickles	(on the bean counter side that is)	[00:55]
smickles	That'd be best practice, renaming accounts ;)	[00:57]
smickles	Smoovious: ever been thru/in Vaughn, NM?	[00:59]
smickles	heh, I dunno, I don't even have a cell signal here!	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	cell signals are for pussies	[01:00]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.4795 = 0.959 BTC [+]	[01:01]
smickles	There's a diner, one of those wrapped-in-sheet-metal kind	[01:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 8 @ 0.00999994 = 0.08 BTC [-]	[01:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999995 BTC [+]	[01:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 2 @ 0.00999997 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[01:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.000364 = 1.456 BTC [-]	[01:12]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]	[01:30]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [+]	[01:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7400 @ 0.00044037 = 3.2587 BTC [+]	[01:38]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.FAIL] 1420 @ 0.001 = 1.42 BTC [+]	[01:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.FAIL] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]	[01:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.4799 = 1.9196 BTC [+]	[01:42]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 5 @ 0.00911111 = 0.0456 BTC [-]	[02:00]
BTC-Mining	Got some loose change to spend. Anyone selling anything?	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	i got a bridge...	[02:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 500 @ 0.099 = 49.5 BTC [+]	[02:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]	[02:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1270 @ 0.00044036 = 0.5593 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.000364 = 1.6016 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [+]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]	[02:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 3 @ 0.3773 = 1.1319 BTC [+]	[02:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]	[02:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0555 BTC [+]	[02:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.055 BTC [-]	[02:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 11 @ 0.00911111 = 0.1002 BTC [-]	[02:09]
BTC-Mining	A bridge? Sounds nice	[02:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 10 @ 0.00911111 = 0.0911 BTC [-]	[02:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 3 @ 0.0091111 = 0.0273 BTC [-]	[02:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	:p	[02:21]
rdponticelli	I could offer a mailbox	[02:23]
rdponticelli	Or a money making machine	[02:23]
rdponticelli	xD	[02:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14530 @ 0.00036499 = 5.3033 BTC [+]	[02:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.3775 BTC [+]	[02:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999996 BTC [+]	[02:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7700 @ 0.00044036 = 3.3908 BTC [-]	[02:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00999996 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[02:54]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BBBB] 7 @ 0.000128 = 0.0009 BTC [-]	[03:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABIF] 4 @ 0.8 = 3.2 BTC [-]	[03:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 0.7912 BTC [-]	[03:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABIF] 5 @ 0.78 = 3.9 BTC [-]	[03:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00036743 = 7.863 BTC [+]	[03:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11 = 1.1 BTC [-]	[03:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 3 @ 0.008 = 0.024 BTC [-]	[03:31]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.97 BTC [-]	[03:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.082 BTC [-]	[03:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MMM] 10 @ 0.799 = 7.99 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00036743 = 10.1043 BTC [+]	[03:44]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.03002 = 0.06 BTC [+]	[03:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+]	[03:46]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 7 @ 0.3775 = 2.6425 BTC [+]	[03:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.03 = 0.09 BTC [-]	[03:52]
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BTC-Mining	Hmm, I've made a tool so you can check the current value of CALL/PUT contracts	[04:02]
BTC-Mining	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdGxfRk5SS0hxT1lsVmdLdU1QY0RveGc#gid=0	[04:03]
BTC-Mining	If anyone want to try, only the current price should be editable.	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	meh asks me to sign in	[04:04]
BTC-Mining	sorry, re-edited it	[04:05]
BTC-Mining	well changed settings I mean	[04:05]
BTC-Mining	Should be public now	[04:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.36000001 = 0.72 BTC [-]	[04:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.36 = 0.72 BTC [-]	[04:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.3502 BTC [-]	[04:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [-]	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	well i cant edit any values ?	[04:07]
BTC-Mining	arf... wait a minute	[04:07]
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BTC-Mining	Should work now	[04:09]
BTC-Mining	Not sure how to remove the protected range view by default tho	[04:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 170 @ 0.00044037 = 0.0749 BTC [+]	[04:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5500 @ 0.00044037 = 2.422 BTC [+]	[04:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4130 @ 0.00044037 = 1.8187 BTC [+]	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	yp seems legit	[04:09]
BTC-Mining	Will be easier to spot good contracts to buy sell depending on what exchange rate is expected.	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	(i kinda do this in my head, i'm guessing most options people do too)	[04:12]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, not really hard to calculate, but it's faster to quickly browse all options with chart beside	[04:12]
BTC-Mining	and check multiple scenarios	[04:13]
BTC-Mining	(I also love making spreadsheet tools)	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	:p	[04:15]
BTC-Mining	If anyone wants to bookmark it anyway, it's there now	[04:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1625 @ 0.00044037 = 0.7156 BTC [+]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6200 @ 0.00044037 = 2.7303 BTC [+]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3028 @ 0.00044037 = 1.3334 BTC [+]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 447 @ 0.00044037 = 0.1968 BTC [+]	[04:34]
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BTC-Mining	Are MPEx deposits automatically validated?	[04:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 235 @ 0.00044036 = 0.1035 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3100 @ 0.00044036 = 1.3651 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00044036 = 1.8055 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2791 @ 0.00044036 = 1.229 BTC [-]	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining nope	[05:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FDBF] 30 @ 0.1492529 = 4.4776 BTC [-]	[05:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FDBF] 120 @ 0.149253 = 17.9104 BTC [+]	[05:06]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[13:50]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: https://glbse.com \|\| http://polimedia.us/mpex \|\| https://coinbr.com \|\| https://cryptostocks.com \|\| https://icbit.se \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades \|\| a biased message: http://smpake.com \|\| Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RMjqah	[13:50]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Wed Sep 26 02:42:06 2012	[13:50]
Diablo-D3	but... thats still a nas	[13:50]
kakobrekla	its more than nas	[13:51]
Diablo-D3	nas just describes what its primary role is	[13:51]
Diablo-D3	hp microserver is just a generic linux board put inside of a standard 4 drive enclosure	[13:51]
kakobrekla	generic linux board?	[13:52]
kakobrekla	orly	[13:52]
Diablo-D3	the ones Ive seen are some ulv intel x86 cpu	[13:52]
Diablo-D3	I wonder why they havent switched to arm	[13:52]
Diablo-D3	or hell, if raspberry pi had a 4x sata version, you could build your own	[13:53]
kakobrekla	this has a dual core turion	[13:53]
kakobrekla	and ecc ram	[13:53]
kakobrekla	its a server grade hw	[13:53]
Diablo-D3	thats probably a newer model	[13:54]
kakobrekla	ill put a ssd in as well	[13:55]
kakobrekla	to run some vpses	[13:55]
kakobrekla	;>	[13:55]
kakobrekla	i guess i need to switch to gigabit network as well	[13:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00036595 = 3.3301 BTC [-]	[13:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29720 @ 0.00036555 = 10.8641 BTC [-]	[13:56]
Diablo-D3	heh	[13:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25480 @ 0.00036518 = 9.3048 BTC [-]	[13:56]
Diablo-D3	these 7200.14 drives can sequential read at 210mb/se	[13:56]
Diablo-D3	thats fast :<	[13:56]
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kakobrekla	hm	[14:14]
kakobrekla	any android app can read qr code private keys and redeem them somehow?	[14:15]
Diablo-D3	no, but that'd be interesting	[14:15]
Diablo-D3	wait	[14:15]
kakobrekla	i need that	[14:15]
Diablo-D3	no it wouldnt	[14:15]
Diablo-D3	because you could use that as a potential double spend attack	[14:15]
kakobrekla	eh?	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	it'd only be useful if you were physically moving your own wallets	[14:16]
kakobrekla	mtgox has a redeem private key option	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	er, electronically	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: yes, and it shouldnt	[14:16]
kakobrekla	...	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla there's not one yet afaik	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	well, no, that no correct	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	if they wait the usual 6 blocks, thats fine	[14:16]
kakobrekla	why is bitcoin fuckim me in the ass	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	but on an android app, the implication would be instant checkout	[14:16]
kakobrekla	fuckin*	[14:16]
Diablo-D3	what we need is a new form of private key	[14:17]
Diablo-D3	one that can be checked instantly for validity	[14:18]
Diablo-D3	and cannot be double spent	[14:18]
kakobrekla	Diablo-D3	[14:18]
kakobrekla	they will move the coins	[14:18]
kakobrekla	when you redeem it	[14:18]
Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: yes, but what if I already did	[14:18]
kakobrekla	w/o confirmations	[14:18]
kakobrekla	if you moved the coins off it	[14:19]
kakobrekla	they wont be able to	[14:19]
Diablo-D3	gen qr code, generate move tx, scan qr code on other machine, they gen move tx	[14:19]
kakobrekla	to get confirms	[14:19]
kakobrekla	on the transactions	[14:19]
Diablo-D3	Ive already walked out of the shop by the time they realize they've been had	[14:19]
Diablo-D3	ergo, double spend	[14:19]
kakobrekla	Diablo-D3 do it then	[14:19]
kakobrekla	proove it	[14:19]
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Diablo-D3	I think he might still be asleep	[14:21]
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Diablo-D3	anyhow, theres nothing to prove	[14:21]
Diablo-D3	you should already know thats a potential double spend attack	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.00036518 = 1.5776 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17980 @ 0.000364 = 6.5447 BTC [-]	[14:21]
kakobrekla	your tx will get refused if they got 1 confirm on it	[14:21]
kakobrekla	or even if 0 conf	[14:21]
Diablo-D3	no	[14:21]
Diablo-D3	I just walked out of the store with the merchendise.	[14:21]
Diablo-D3	since I emitted the TX first, most likely mine wins the race	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 so you have to wait a moment for the confirm wtf.	[14:22]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: 10 minutes?	[14:22]
Diablo-D3	the whole point of a qr code private key is to instantly check out	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	not 10 minutes	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	if you've gone even 1 minute w/io a competing transaction propagating	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	you're good enough	[14:23]
Diablo-D3	wont work	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	because why	[14:23]
Diablo-D3	if Ive figured out the store's node network, I can spam the tx on the other side of the network	[14:23]
Diablo-D3	bitcoin has a bad habit of not being a well connected network	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	the store uses an app which polls distributed nodes.	[14:23]
Diablo-D3	yes but you need enough looking glasses to do that	[14:24]
Diablo-D3	theres no such service yet	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	so it's a business venue for someone to provide this service to stores	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	which i gather kakobrekla is trying to do	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	or w/e	[14:24]
kakobrekla	no i need this shit for something else	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	lol tough luck :D	[14:25]
kakobrekla	why	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	now you have to make thios app hehe	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is like a badly stocked kitchen. you want soup ? gotta make noodles first!	[14:25]
kakobrekla	well i need a qr code private key scanner & redeemer	[14:25]
kakobrekla	nothing else	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	i think cascacisiuciscacosciosmus	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	or w/e his name is	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	had something like that he was uisng	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	with a qr gun	[14:26]
kakobrekla	hm	[14:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.4468 = 4.3404 BTC [+]	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233234#msg1233234 whoa checjk this out.	[14:28]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: yeah but those were pregenerated and considered safe	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	typical glbse business : takes in 17k btc rfrom investors, pays 1.2k in dividends	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	current optimisitc net value ? 7k. loss ? 9k.	[14:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10110001 BTC [+]	[14:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.4468 BTC [+]	[14:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [+]	[14:33]
kakobrekla	>>Mt. Gox mobile, available from Google Play and on jailbroken iPhones using Cydia allows you to redeem private key QR codes into your Mt. Gox account.	[14:34]
kakobrekla	jesus.	[14:34]
kakobrekla	i hope it works on droid	[14:35]
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mircea_popescu	.g cydia android	[14:35]
markac	mircea_popescu: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appsbar.CydiaDownload20234&hl=en	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	dun dun dun	[14:35]
kakobrekla	i think cydia is for jesusphone	[14:36]
kakobrekla	oh wait	[14:36]
*	kakobrekla confused	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nefario	[14:38]
gribble	nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 15 hours, 38 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore	[14:38]
Diablo-D3	cydia is a jailbroken iphone store.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	sooo... is he in jail ?	[14:38]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: yeah, I dont like where this is headed	[14:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.082 BTC [-]	[14:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6000 @ 0.00044037 = 2.6422 BTC [+]	[14:46]
kakobrekla	aha yeah Diablo-D3 thought smth like that	[14:52]
kakobrekla	cause i got mtgox app runin already wo it	[14:52]
kakobrekla	o yea it works	[14:53]
kakobrekla	nice	[14:53]
kakobrekla	btw mircea_popescu, i havent forgot about mpex and smpake - i will be getting on it soonish nao ;>	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[14:55]
kakobrekla	the insta transfers to mpex?	[14:56]
kakobrekla	you do remember that?	[14:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RSM] 4 @ 0.28 = 1.12 BTC [-]	[14:58]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06299999 BTC [+]	[15:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.063 BTC [+]	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	a yes yes.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	well ok.	[15:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.000364 = 17.836 BTC [-]	[15:12]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 9 @ 0.06502 = 0.5852 BTC [+]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 57 @ 0.065 = 3.705 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 40 @ 0.06002 = 2.4008 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 194 @ 0.06 = 11.64 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 2 @ 0.00999996 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[15:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 75 @ 0.00999997 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[15:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 23 @ 0.00999999 = 0.23 BTC [+]	[15:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 6 @ 0.06 = 0.36 BTC [-]	[15:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00044037 = 0.2202 BTC [+]	[15:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7100 @ 0.00044037 = 3.1266 BTC [+]	[15:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00044037 = 1.145 BTC [+]	[15:37]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1095 BTC [+]	[15:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.109999 = 0.44 BTC [+]	[15:44]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.43324159 = 3.8992 BTC [-]	[15:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 197 @ 0.0034919 = 0.6879 BTC [-]	[16:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 82 @ 0.00340069 = 0.2789 BTC [-]	[16:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00036436 = 19.1653 BTC [+]	[16:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1203120 @ 0.000364 = 437.9357 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00036308 = 20.9134 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37770 @ 0.00036298 = 13.7098 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00036284 = 17.3438 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2451 @ 0.00036174 = 0.8866 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00036168 = 1.2699 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00036165 = 9.0774 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60061 @ 0.00036137 = 21.7042 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3354 @ 0.00036136 = 1.212 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00036095 = 17.0729 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.0003608 = 9.3808 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19253 @ 0.00036076 = 6.9457 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50737 @ 0.00036042 = 18.2866 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34547 @ 0.00036042 = 12.4514 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50923 @ 0.00036031 = 18.3481 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00036023 = 7.6009 BTC [-]	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56773 @ 0.0003602 = 20.4496 BTC [-]	[16:08]
asa1024	anyone having problems withdrawing funds from GLBSE? I withdrew some funds last night/this morning and I still have yet to get them @ my online wallet.	[16:11]
asa1024	I guess I will email nefario and wait a few days to get an answer - if I get one @ all.	[16:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]	[16:12]
OneEyed	asa1024: I withdrew some 3 or 4 hours ago (around 17 BTC)	[16:12]
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Bugpowder	!ticker S.MPOE	[16:13]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0003602 / 0.0003694 / 0.00039999 (3820740 shares, 1,411.42 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00039286 / 0.00042 (61323438 shares, 24,091.70 BTC)	[16:13]
OneEyed	assbot: if you tried to withdraw a large amount, it may be unavailable yet in the hot wallet	[16:13]
asa1024	okay ty oneeyed	[16:13]
asa1024	it was a small amount	[16:13]
asa1024	just a divided payment	[16:13]
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*	OneEyed thinks that assbot has been paid by mircea_popescu to falsely spread FUD about BMF ROI :)	[16:16]
jurov	;;rate asa1024 1 "prolific coinbr user/tester"	[16:16]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asa1024 has been recorded.	[16:16]
asa1024	w00t my first rating!	[16:17]
asa1024	ty!	[16:17]
Cylta	Where I can find list of assets, that are not connected with mining?	[16:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 90 @ 0.063 = 5.67 BTC [+]	[16:18]
drekkAFK	Cylta, on the homepages of the exchanges, i guess?!	[16:18]
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Cylta	Drekk what do you mean?	[16:19]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: you must be mistaken: how could CPA close shop while it still has an ongoing uncancellable 100+ weeks contract with BMF?	[16:20]
drekk	Cylta, like browse the list of assets in glbse and see whether or not they're related to mining	[16:20]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: because bmf and cpa are both ran by usagi	[16:20]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: I know that. But how will the dispute about this contract be resolved? Who will win? CPA shareholders or BMF shareholders? Can't be both.	[16:21]
FabianB	jurov: yay, coinbr with more testers bugfree soon and going mainstream :)	[16:22]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: BMF will no longer be insured by CPA	[16:22]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: technically its a conflict of interest anyhow, so arguably the contract was invalid to begin with	[16:22]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: so will the 5 BTC amount payed every week to CPA be reimbursed to BMF?	[16:22]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: probably.	[16:23]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: otherwise, it would be easy to assure a default and stop right in the middle of the contract when you feel it may effectively default	[16:23]
Diablo-D3	CPA is paying out on its contracts before closure	[16:23]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: I understand CPA is paying out its ongoing debt, that is contracts that have already defaulted, that's not the same thing	[16:24]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: the term "contract default" doesnt have the meaning here you think it does	[16:25]
Diablo-D3	if I paid CPA x btc over several weeks, and they pay me back x btc to cancel the contract, they havent defaulted on the contract	[16:26]
Diablo-D3	to default is if I a claim was made on the insurance and CPA paid out nothing	[16:26]
Diablo-D3	s/I//	[16:26]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: agreed. Except that the contract is explicitely uncancellable. So to let CPA out of its obligations, BMF should ask for all the premiums already paid, if not more.	[16:27]
OneEyed	Unless BMF thinks that the insurance it signed the contract for is no longer worth the premium to be paid, and wants out as well :)	[16:28]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: except CPA and BMF are ran by the same guy	[16:28]
Diablo-D3	so the guy that thought shutting down CPA was a good idea is the same guy who runs BMF.	[16:28]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: CPA is no longer in business, so the term uncancellable has no meaning	[16:29]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: that's where the fact that both are run by the same person give it a meaning again: usagi can't say "eh, usagi said it was out of business, so I usagi can do nothing"	[16:30]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: exactly.	[16:31]
OneEyed	"Sorry guys, I've been screwed up by this usagi person - Yours, usagi"	[16:31]
Diablo-D3	and no, BMF shareholders wernt screwed	[16:31]
Diablo-D3	but I dont care either way	[16:31]
Diablo-D3	Im neither a cpa or bmf investor	[16:31]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: why? When you agree to pay a premium every week for an insurance, you take the duration of the contract in account as well.	[16:32]
Jackmaninov	basically GLBSE has turned into a minefield	[16:32]
OneEyed	usagi: I'm seeing this and try to understand. So far, I can't understand the CPA / BMF situation.	[16:32]
Diablo-D3	usagi: you ARE closing it	[16:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00036596 = 6.2945 BTC [+]	[16:33]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: btw, theres also a structure of how the CPA contract was written	[16:33]
OneEyed	usagi: you mean he wants people to understand by themselves? That looks rather sane to me, doesn't it?	[16:33]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: I havent looked at it, but if it only covers up to what was paid in, then BMF has no recourse	[16:33]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: usagi is paying usagi what was paid into it	[16:33]
OneEyed	usagi: I'm trying to understand why insuring BMF with CPA was a good idea to start with, given that you might have known that you would shut CPA down before paying BMF anything. I'm not in your head, so I cannot make my mind about whether you knew that you would or would not shut down CPA.	[16:34]
Diablo-D3	it wasnt a good idea.	[16:34]
Diablo-D3	usagi can accuse me of being a troll, but its a conflict of interest	[16:35]
Diablo-D3	the cpa contract is worth zero no matter if usagi is the best fund manager in the world or not	[16:35]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).	[16:36]
OneEyed	usagi: from where I stand, it looks like you may have setup this contract for the sole purpose of transferring money from BMF to CPA through the premiums, since CPA won't go through the planned contract length that you agreed with yourself upon.	[16:36]
assbot	CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.04 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06 BTC. Total: -0.05430312 BTC. (-54.3%)	[16:37]
OneEyed	But once again, you may not have planned to shut down CPA, but in this case, I don't understand why you decided for it.	[16:37]
Diablo-D3	woah	[16:38]
Diablo-D3	theres a scammer accusations board on the forum	[16:38]
*	Diablo-D3 reports every thread as spam	[16:38]
Diablo-D3	I wonder if I can automate this with perl	[16:38]
*	Jackmaninov is shocked by Diablo-D3	[16:38]
Diablo-D3	Jackmaninov: well, I cant ban people posting in it	[16:39]
Diablo-D3	this is seriously offtopic for the forum	[16:39]
Diablo-D3	I wonder which admin thought this was a good idea	[16:39]
OneEyed	And as a (admittedly not very good) go player myself, I can't read what you're trying to do here since it doesn't correspond to what you write.	[16:39]
OneEyed	(btw, usagi, at least one of the go books you pointed onto in the forum should be ran through LaTeX again, references are unresolved and appear like "page ???")	[16:40]
Diablo-D3	so wait	[16:41]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob signed an NDA with usagi?	[16:41]
OneEyed	usagi: it makes your text look good though	[16:41]
OneEyed	usagi: and the diagrams look professional	[16:42]
Diablo-D3	usagi: then whats the jist of the EskimoBob is a scammer thread	[16:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.03962152 BTC [+]	[16:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04596999 BTC [+]	[16:42]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: nope	[16:43]
Diablo-D3	nefario miiiiiiiight end up with one though	[16:43]
Diablo-D3	he almost did due to the dmc shit, but he backed down	[16:43]
Diablo-D3	he might still get one because of the goat shit, though	[16:43]
Diablo-D3	usagi: you cant read the staff forum.	[16:44]
Diablo-D3	and you already know theymos is selling is stake in glbse	[16:44]
Diablo-D3	so if you know those two things, whats the obvious conclusion?	[16:44]
OneEyed	I went to around 100 BTC worth of assets on GLBSE to 6 BTC in two weeks (with no loss, or even profit). I don't trust GLBSE with my coins anymore, since they may screw me if they don't like the issuer of the assets they let me invest in.	[16:44]
Diablo-D3	usagi: this is true, but thats not what I meant	[16:45]
Diablo-D3	theymos is tired of nefario's mismanagement	[16:45]
Diablo-D3	lets try this again	[16:45]
Diablo-D3	_theymos is tired of nefario's mismanagement_	[16:45]
*	Diablo-D3 ponders	[16:46]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: so you work for btc now?	[16:47]
Diablo-D3	usagi: HEY YOU	[16:47]
Diablo-D3	GIVE ME 5 BTC OR ILL TELL EVERYONE YOUR SECRET!	[16:47]
Diablo-D3	exactly, and after this legit blackmail (because maged said so), we'll be even	[16:48]
Diablo-D3	my trolling cant be _that_ subtle >_>	[16:48]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: I've seen that usagi accused you of being paid to spread FUD on him, but I've never seen anyone ask you if it was the case. So. Are you being paid by someone to damage usagi reputation in any way?	[16:48]
Diablo-D3	OneEyed: but if that contract has an NDA, he cant say yes	[16:49]
OneEyed	Diablo-D3: but he may not want to lie, and won't answer in this case :)	[16:49]
pigeons	does mircea_popescu or "the girl" pay you anything?	[16:49]
Diablo-D3	usagi: why dont you just run a PR service	[16:50]
OneEyed	If EskimoBob says he is not being paid by anyone to do that, well, I would have no reason not to believe him so far.	[16:50]
pigeons	EskimoBob: ?	[16:50]
OneEyed	But he is either AFK or not willing to answer that :)	[16:50]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: thanks :)	[16:51]
Diablo-D3	usagi: well, your contract was with me not dmc	[16:51]
Diablo-D3	usagi: I have 2.18 btc in my wallet.	[16:51]
pigeons	it doesn't look like anyone needs any paying for you to be discredited at this point	[16:52]
pigeons	please moderate us usagi	[16:54]
pigeons	common sense would not insure an hyip passthrough	[16:55]
pigeons	amen.	[16:55]
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OneEyed	If someone wants to buy my last 44 shares of FDBF on GLBSE at 0.149253 per share, do it before dividend time tonight	[16:56]
pigeons	hmm i was talking about obsi	[16:57]
OneEyed	usagi: did those person who "knew" what pirate was doing put any investment in CPA?	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7536 @ 0.00044037 = 3.3186 BTC [+]	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 550 @ 0.00044037 = 0.2422 BTC [+]	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.0003621 = 12.5649 BTC [-]	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2627 @ 0.0003602 = 0.9462 BTC [-]	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00036007 = 5.4731 BTC [-]	[16:58]
OneEyed	If they didn't, that's a sign that they were not confident enough to bet on pirate, even though they "knew". If they did, we now know that they are gullible people :)	[16:58]
pigeons	why did you insure obsi.hrpt	[16:59]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: well, CPA has been running for almost 3 months before shutting down.	[17:00]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MMM] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5871 BTC [+]	[17:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 20 @ 0.5999 = 11.998 BTC [+]	[17:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.6 = 6 BTC [+]	[17:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]	[17:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]	[17:02]
Bugpowder	!ticker gigamining	[17:04]
Bugpowder	!ticker gigamining	[17:04]
assbot	[GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.6] [Ask: 0.6077] [Spread: 0.0077] [Last: 0.6] [24hVol: 29.79909999] [7dAvg: 0.60357668]	[17:05]
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OneEyed	!ticker FDBF	[17:06]
assbot	[GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.121] [Ask: 0.149253] [Spread: 0.028253] [Last: 0.149253] [24hVol: 22.387947] [7dAvg: 0.13865753]	[17:06]
Bugpowder	!ticker S.BVPS	[17:07]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.00340069 / 0.0034999 / 0.00355 (2629 shares, 9.20 BTC), 30day: 0.001175 / 0.00342187 / 0.003801 (54737 shares, 187.30 BTC)	[17:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 45001 @ 0.0034 = 153.0034 BTC [+]	[17:07]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).	[17:08]
assbot	FDBF [1@0.14BTC] paid: 0.00605727 BTC. Last price: 0.149253 BTC. Capital gain: 0.009253 BTC. Total: 0.01531027 BTC. (10.9%)	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.04597 = 0.4137 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.04599999 = 2.3 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.046 = 1.15 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.04758 = 0.4282 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04760436 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.04768018 = 2.7178 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.04774751 = 0.382 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04790045 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.048 = 0.096 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.04805468 = 0.865 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04837486 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04966 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.04968375 = 0.1491 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.04995 = 0.2997 BTC [+]	[17:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.515 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.5102 BTC [-]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 3 @ 0.51 = 1.53 BTC [-]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 2 @ 0.5002 = 1.0004 BTC [-]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.04995 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 35 @ 0.049979 = 1.7493 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.04998 = 0.6997 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.05 = 2.5 BTC [+]	[17:10]
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OneEyed	EskimoBob: unless he's the majority shareholder as welll	[17:12]
OneEyed	usagi: you are in the real world, why don't you sue him?	[17:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.30270001 BTC [-]	[17:12]
OneEyed	Oh, I hadn't seen EskimoBob had a negative otc score	[17:15]
Chaang-Noi	hows the land of bitcoin assets today? fun as ever i assume?	[17:16]
Bugpowder	bunch of squabbling over some pocket change	[17:17]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: I did :)	[17:17]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: are you in Estonia?	[17:17]
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OneEyed	EskimoBob: I wondered, because of Otto de Voogd and you met, but he travels a lot from what I can read	[17:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10773 @ 0.00035998 = 3.8781 BTC [-]	[17:23]
OneEyed	usagi: what was that that you asked him to do for money exactly?	[17:24]
OneEyed	EskimoBob: I don't, I'm just a very satisfied investor, who is unwinding his position because I want out of GLBSE	[17:24]
rg	;;ticker	[17:25]
gribble	Best bid: 12.31801, Best ask: 12.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.07199, Last trade: 12.419, 24 hour volume: 10452, 24 hour low: 12.301, 24 hour high: 12.48443	[17:25]
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OneEyed	EskimoBob: and I think people managing FDBF do a wonderful reporting job compared to other assets (I once tried investing in YABIF, and quickly got out because of obscure management practices)	[17:27]
assbot	[GLBSE:BMF] [Bid: 0.5] [Ask: 0.64978967] [Spread: 0.14978967] [Last: 0.5002] [24hVol: 11.07085001] [7dAvg: 0.48254035]	[17:27]
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MrTiggr	you guys might find a use for this ... blockchain in realtime http://worldzeitgeist.org/iseecoins.html	[17:27]
MrTiggr	(use a real browser)	[17:28]
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MrTiggr	eh "modern" .. it uses websockets	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	Cylta mpex.us	[17:28]
MrTiggr	and canvas	[17:28]
MrTiggr	and localstorage (if you choose to trak addresses)	[17:29]
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OneEyed	Not very reliable under Firefox 15.0.1/Linux	[17:29]
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MrTiggr	:D enjoi	[17:29]
MrTiggr	thats based off the "unconfirmed txn" feed from blockchain.info	[17:29]
Diablo-D3	so matthew ended up with a scammer tag? too bad	[17:29]
MrTiggr	so its simply graphing the latest txn's	[17:29]
Diablo-D3	isnt he the guy behind the print bitcoin magazine?	[17:30]
MrTiggr	"WAS"	[17:30]
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MrTiggr	he was fired/quit bitcoin magazine after his megapiratebetfail	[17:31]
Cylta	Mircea thanks!	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	Cylta mpex.us as to your list	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	pigeons no, he's never been paid anything. also he doesn't have any nda signed with mpex or me.	[17:32]
Cylta	That is what I looked for	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	and also, eskimobob is on my ignore list lol.	[17:32]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: do you plan to have a promotional period where registration of a new PGP key is free by any chance?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed i have, this was a couple months in spring.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	when mpex was beta.	[17:33]
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OneEyed	Yeah, I was talking about the future, not about the past :)	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	in the future i intend to raise it to 50 btc	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	this was planned for when volume crosses 100k per minth, but i held back because btcusd went from 5 to 12	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	still, it will happen in the future.	[17:35]
OneEyed	Yeah, I've read the FAQ, I was just wondering if there was going to be a promotion. Too bad then :)	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	nope, just an ever increasing cost to participate, prolly will be in the 10-50k usd range before it stops.	[17:36]
OneEyed	I'm still wondering why you don't want to gain more on fees and less and registration.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	course you could just go through a broker etc.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed mpex is for investors. it's not television.	[17:36]
OneEyed	And that would probably increase the liquidity on the exchange to have more people.	[17:36]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: television?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	yes. i am not trying to entertain the masses.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	poor people bring drama not liquidity. i don't need drama.	[17:37]
OneEyed	Fair enough :)	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov so how's coinbr coming along ? did users find a lot of holes ?	[17:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 50 @ 0.05 = 2.5 BTC [-]	[17:42]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 3 @ 0.5005 = 1.5015 BTC [+]	[17:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 2 @ 0.5002 = 1.0004 BTC [-]	[17:44]
Bugpowder	A low trade fee, high signup / monthly fee is better for liquidity (i.e. intrade's current model).	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 600 @ 0.00044037 = 0.2642 BTC [+]	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00044037 = 0.8807 BTC [+]	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	and 0.2% sale only fee is kind of hard to beat.	[17:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 65 @ 0.02502 = 1.6263 BTC [-]	[17:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.36999999 BTC [-]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 13 @ 0.37 = 4.81 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 6 @ 0.378 = 2.268 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.3788 = 0.7576 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.3898 BTC [-]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.39859 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 4 @ 0.39879 = 1.5952 BTC [+]	[17:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.39889999 BTC [+]	[17:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45727 @ 0.00036041 = 16.4805 BTC [+]	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00036027 = 22.733 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00035993 = 16.5928 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00035979 = 8.0233 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47773 @ 0.00035878 = 17.14 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [-]	[17:56]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, why don't you offer the possibility to update a key (expiration date, revocation)? It could be transferred the same way orders are, and that would make the system only more secure, wouldn't it?	[18:01]
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Cylta	mircea_popescu: 1) you are the most paranoic person I ever seen 2) 20btc for registration?! Seriously?	[18:05]
OneEyed	Cylta: paranoia is good when other people assets are manipulated :)	[18:06]
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Cylta	Oneeyed I did not tell it's bad :-)	[18:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.5002 BTC [-]	[18:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [+]	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00036096 = 0.8302 BTC [+]	[18:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00036338 = 1.2718 BTC [+]	[18:21]
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Cylta	What is the total amount of btc inside mpex? Approximately	[18:34]
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mircea_popescu	OneEyed cause of the risk involved in the scenario where someone manages to update someone else's key	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	Cylta the market cap of companies listed is closing in on 1mn btc	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	month;y trade volume is 50-200-100 sort of thing	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	and yes, i am the most paranoic person you have ever seen.	[18:38]
Cylta	And what about glbse? They have about 1m btc too, I think	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	do the math :)	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	iirc it's about 60k or w/e	[18:38]
Cylta	Okay :-)	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	giga has iirc 40k shares worth .5 each atm,	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	and the rest isn't either very large or doing too good.	[18:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BBBB] 42 @ 0.000128 = 0.0054 BTC [-]	[18:39]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: the only risk is a DOS, since you cannot remove anything from a key, only add to it - and if someone manages to sign a revocation certificate for someone else, well, that someone else will be happy to have the revocation added to his key!	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed the way mpex works, you're identified by your key id.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	if you change that you've pretty much lost the entire account.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	also, the server that processes auth is not connected to the internet. it'd have to be processed by hand, the update.	[18:41]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: it gets fed the PGP signed orders in some way (serial link? private Ethernet connection? whatever), so the key updates could enter the same way. Anyway, I was just curious about it, I'm not requesting a change :)	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	no, i understand, i don't mind discussing it.	[18:44]
OneEyed	(there is no risk in being fed invalid/bogus/attacker data, that's why people can trust keyservers, the only thing they can do is refuse to serve a key)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	if there's no code to process key updates then there's no way to hijack key updates.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	if there is then there might be.	[18:44]
OneEyed	My point was that key update can be hijacked, that wouldn't do any harm except mark a compromised key as compromised	[18:44]
OneEyed	(read: revoked)	[18:44]
OneEyed	And even a revocation would only happen if the key was really compromised	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed a port open is a port open.	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	pgp software was not really tested in this sort of environment, so im not letting it see the internets.	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1700 @ 0.00044037 = 0.7486 BTC [+]	[18:46]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: what I had in mind, was a "gpg --refresh-keys" on an internet-connected server, then send the updated keyring to the non-internet machine, and have gpg merge both keyrings (keys being in append-only mode, this cannot remove any information or inject any bogus unsigned information, especially if no new keys are imported during the merge)	[18:46]
OneEyed	Only a keyring file, which is public information, would be transmitted	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	maybe something like that could be made to work	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	it's not a priority atm tho.	[18:47]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00999998 = 0.04 BTC [-]	[18:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 6 @ 0.00999999 = 0.06 BTC [+]	[18:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 10 @ 0.00999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]	[18:49]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: as far as security is concerned, I haven't seen anything against replay attack. Maybe the attacker should have the possibility to add a "serial" or "uid" extra field, to ensure a signed message cannot be submitted again without being regenerated (it would require a new UID).	[18:50]
OneEyed	(sorry if I look inquisitive, but your model is really interesting, I like this way of taking commands)	[18:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 3 @ 0.00999999 = 0.03 BTC [+]	[18:50]
OneEyed	(oops, read "the customer", not "the attacker" :-)	[18:52]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.60010001 = 1.8003 BTC [+]	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed requests can't be submitted again atm	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	the 2nd and subsequent requests on the same command just die with an error message.	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	(tho i am considering allowing STATs be replayed)	[18:55]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.6001 = 4.8008 BTC [-]	[18:55]
OneEyed	You mean I can't sign a message containing "BUY\|foobar\|10\|1", submit it, then submit it again a day later?	[18:56]
OneEyed	Or, as an attacker, intercept such a message, then resubmit it a day later, then again, then again, causing the original customer to buy 30 foobar instead of the intended 10?	[18:57]
OneEyed	(a day later might be one second later if I were really an attacker)	[18:57]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]	[18:57]
jurov	mircea, there aren't so many holes in coinbr, mostly UI glitches... only the dividends caught me with pants down	[18:59]
*	jurov furiously codes in preparation for S.DICE dividends	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed that's exactly what i mean	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov well that's great news!	[19:00]
OneEyed	k	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed you can reuse the same clearsigned message, but you'll have to re-encrypt with mpex key	[19:00]
FabianB	jurov: heh, maybe i should buy some S.DICE too to test divs again	[19:00]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: why? I am talking about intercepting the message as submitted, that is signed by the customer key and encrypted with mpex key.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	FabianB it pains me to say, but i doubt evoorhees is as retarded as me, to end up making multiple payments :D	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed i know, and that won't work.	[19:01]
jurov	lol	[19:01]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: why so? Do you check the signature date and require that it is unique?	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[19:02]
OneEyed	(because the encryption happens afterwards, and can be done since the MPEX key is not secret)	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	besides signature date can be messed with	[19:02]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: lol, but he'll hopefully pay one div	[19:02]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: so how do you distinguish between two identical orders and a replayed order then?	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed : lets go through this entire story.	[19:02]
OneEyed	k	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	legitimate user makes contract, call it C. he clearsigns it, make Cs. he then encrypts it with mpex key, making Ce	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	now. nobody outside of mpex can get Cs from Ce.	[19:03]
OneEyed	Yes, but an attacker might get Ce. Let's assume I intercept Ce via a man-in-the-middle attack.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	Ce will be accepted once. customer can re-sign the Cs and make Ce', which will also be accepted, once.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	attacker can try repeat Ce or Ce', but he just gets an error	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	and attacker could re-sign Cs if he had Cs and make Ce'' which'd be accepted	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	except attacker can't get Cs.	[19:04]
OneEyed	Ok, so you identify Ce for uniqueness (with a checksum or whatever), to avoid replay, right?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	i identify it. i won't go into details of how.	[19:04]
OneEyed	:)	[19:04]
OneEyed	Ok, that's fine indeed. It means that the customer has to take care of not leaking Cs though.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	it does, and so he should.	[19:05]
OneEyed	But	[19:05]
OneEyed	You could replay the message then	[19:05]
OneEyed	And pretend he reused the same Cs, when he didn't	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	theoretically, i could.	[19:06]
OneEyed	In fact (and I agree, that was not my original idea), the UID would protect the customer from you :)	[19:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.965 = 7.72 BTC [+]	[19:06]
OneEyed	(and protect you against false accusations of having replayed a message if the customers submits several times the same Cs)	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	well, it's not a bad ideea to have an uid from a safety pov	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	the fact of the matter is, you can just trail it on as it is now	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	except people don't really bother.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	i could mandate it, but i don't see the benefit sufficient.	[19:07]
OneEyed	You could also refuse to accept the same Cs and answer with "duplicate message error"	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	i could, yes.	[19:07]
OneEyed	That would protect you from false claims, since you could produce the various signed messages with the repeated commands	[19:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [-]	[19:08]
OneEyed	(without UID, signing at different dates will produce different messages)	[19:08]
OneEyed	and you could not forge that	[19:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.97 = 1.94 BTC [+]	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	but i mean, what is the false claim im protecting myself from ? seems a rather narrow case.	[19:09]
OneEyed	Let's assume I'm unsure it is wise to buy "foobar" at 1.0BTC/share	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	yea	[19:09]
OneEyed	I sign one buy order for 1 share, then submit it 10 times	[19:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [-]	[19:09]
OneEyed	And later say "why did your system buy 10 shares, I only wanted one?"	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	yea...	[19:09]
OneEyed	Right now, you would be able to produce only one Cs. By mandating different messages, you would be protected :)	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[19:10]
OneEyed	Anyway, thanks for the discussion, that was enlightening :)	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	except, in the scenario you describe, i just negrate you in the wot, can your accnt and whoopdedoo, you've managed what.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	understand, there's a lot more at stake here than just "what retardedness i could do".	[19:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24687 @ 0.00036338 = 8.9708 BTC [+]	[19:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42613 @ 0.00036596 = 15.5947 BTC [+]	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	and in general i want to mandate as little as possible. having 1`000`000 contracts include an extra field	[19:11]
OneEyed	Sure, but you insist on security, and that's a good thing. This would add security through forced trust (ability to produce individual messages) without any drawback.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	just to avoid the possibility of some pissant...	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	seems counterproductive.	[19:11]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: no, you don't need to add anything	[19:12]
OneEyed	Just reject duplicate Cs	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed i don't trust the signature date thing	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	someone could just fuck with his computer clock	[19:12]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: you don't have to! The signature date just ensures that signed messages won't be the same, by construction	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	actually, it says in the gpg spec the sigdate is not to be trusted.	[19:12]
OneEyed	No need to ever read the content	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed some douche makes a contract now dated now	[19:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [-]	[19:12]
jurov	isn't that done already? i tried that sending same encrypted STAT twice, even that was rejected	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	then one tomorrow dated august the 5th	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	jurov you can re-encrypt the signed stat and that is accepted.	[19:13]
jurov	ah so	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	this is a largely theoretical point, he's proposing somebody claim that i made a fake duplicate.	[19:13]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: yeah, that's why you can't trust the date, I'm with you on this one, it makes no sense	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed then he could claim o really, peanuts and buttersquash w/e.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	the point isn't to make a system that makes human retardedness impossible, that's too hard a problem.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	the point is to make it manageable.	[19:14]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: but right now you could produce duplicate if you wanted	[19:14]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: if answers are signed, then you cannot pretend an order never arrived, and if duplicates are not accepted, you cannot pretend an order was submitted twice, and everyone's safe :)	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	answers are in fact signed.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed have you used mpex at all btw ?	[19:16]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: no, I have just read the FAQ, 20 BTC would eat much more than what I would gain, since I don't have much to trade (I just bought a couple hundreds BTC to play with)	[19:18]
OneEyed	And I did my PhD thesis a long time ago on distributed systems, and worked for a long time on trust issues in those systems (including protection against replay attacks, byzantine failures, dos, …)	[19:19]
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OneEyed	so I'm quite familiar with the "trust" problem at hand (+, I've been using PGP then GPG for ~20 years, since Phil Zimmermann's first releases that I got from Usenet)	[19:21]
jurov	OneEyed, then maybe it would be best to propose some sane implementation.	[19:21]
OneEyed	jurov: mircea_popescu is pretty sane as far as I can see!	[19:21]
OneEyed	(except that you have to trust him not to pretend you submitted the same signed message twice right now)	[19:22]
jurov	of course... but to fix this issue mpex would need to have hash of every Cs to compare against	[19:22]
OneEyed	Oops, I mean mircea_popescu's implementation, not himself, I don't know him :)	[19:22]
jurov	*to have -> to store	[19:22]
Bugpowder	!ticker gigaming	[19:23]
OneEyed	jurov: he already has this kind of information on Ce, it's not a big deal to double the storage for it, it's only a few bytes per message	[19:23]
jurov	or issue cookies... brrr	[19:23]
assbot	Invalid ticker.	[19:23]
Bugpowder	!ticker gigamining	[19:23]
assbot	[GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.58000001] [Ask: 0.60769999] [Spread: 0.02769998] [Last: 0.6] [24hVol: 39.40020002] [7dAvg: 0.60205744]	[19:24]
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mircea_popescu	OneEyed pretty cool	[19:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00044037 = 0.6606 BTC [+]	[19:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.48000001 = 1.92 BTC [-]	[19:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]	[19:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 8 @ 0.48 = 3.84 BTC [-]	[19:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [-]	[19:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.46010002 = 1.3803 BTC [-]	[19:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.46000001 = 1.38 BTC [-]	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov im not issuing no cookies.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	bring your own damned cookies.	[19:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 1 @ 0.84615385 BTC [-]	[19:43]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FDBF] 3 @ 0.149253 = 0.4478 BTC [+]	[19:46]
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jurov	no cookies for ya :(	[19:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 2 @ 0.84615385 = 1.6923 BTC [-]	[19:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10328 BTC [+]	[19:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 29 @ 0.10348 = 3.0009 BTC [+]	[19:54]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 22 @ 0.049 = 1.078 BTC [-]	[19:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00044037 = 0.9248 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10348 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]	[20:04]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GERBITIN.PYRA] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [+]	[20:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.5002 BTC [-]	[20:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMF] 9 @ 0.5 = 4.5 BTC [-]	[20:11]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.60769999 BTC [+]	[20:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]	[20:20]
FabianB	EskimoBob: what's wrong with Romania? What's wrong with porn?	[20:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.149253 = 0.2985 BTC [+]	[20:21]
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OneEyed	EskimoBob: I don't understand all this problem around porn. Is porn illegal where you live, or do you have any evidence that the porn hosted there is illegal?	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00035888 = 21.2457 BTC [-]	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	"You must obtain a signed letter of holding from Nefario as a shareholder, or pay a deposit into escrow if you are a potential investor. I really do not care if you decide not to invest with me as a result of this decision."	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	he should ask for 20 bitcoins tbh.	[20:27]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: ?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	just following usagi's meltdown	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233162#msg1233162	[20:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14200001 BTC [-]	[20:29]
Bugpowder	I think the porn actually is a bit of an issue. I wish MPEX were on a domain name that did not also host porn, just in case polimedia somehow gets blocked at my work internet because of it someday.	[20:31]
Bugpowder	wouldn't want to be locked out of trading for the whole work day.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	hm	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	are you aware that site was there for oh, 3 years by now ? 4 ?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	(and also, that i happen to run the most popular blog in romanian, and this means, romanians being a little schadenfreunde-y, that various nitwits have been trying to get it offline for maybe 5 years now ?)	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.0034 = 3.06 BTC [+]	[20:35]
PsychoticBoy	OMFG why, why, WHY? keep ppl taking btc from investors, because its a fucking easy scam, omg 70K$ in a few months, I wish I thought of it, Oh damn I am no scammer	[20:35]
Bugpowder	I'm talking about some IT department filtering/blocking content at my end, not the site getting KO'd off the internet	[20:35]
Bugpowder	I can just see Anderson Cooper doing a story on bitcoins and porn or some stupid shit like that	[20:36]
Bugpowder	just like the Reddit gone wild takedown piece	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder you can just use a proxy then neh ?	[20:37]
*	PsychoticBoy bangs his head	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy what now ?	[20:37]
PsychoticBoy	OMFG why, why, WHY? keep ppl taking btc from investors, because its a fucking easy scam, omg 70K$ in a few months, I wish I thought of it, Oh damn I am no scammer	[20:37]
PsychoticBoy	usagi lost 7K btc in a few months	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	o that.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	could be 10k, who knows.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	"assbot"?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	Do you think the result from a IRC script calculator is evidence for what exactly?	[20:38]
PsychoticBoy	read the forum even a blind man can see it	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	why do peopkle feel compelled to insult what they don't understand ?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy im saying : he lost MAYBE 7k. possible 10k.	[20:38]
jcpham	idk, what's a peopkle	[20:38]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: lol differential geometry sux	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin lol troll	[20:39]
PsychoticBoy	all the threads concerning BMF, CPA, NYAN	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	hm, maybe i've not been too clear above.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233772#msg1233772 << reference.	[20:40]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: ooh ooh	[20:40]
Diablo-D3	do me next	[20:40]
Diablo-D3	am I bad manager for buying half the company back?	[20:40]
PsychoticBoy	true, or it just vaporized	[20:40]
jcpham	usagi so are you a guy or a girl	[20:40]
jcpham	i see this question posed a lot	[20:40]
PsychoticBoy	initial value was a lot higher than it is today	[20:40]
copumpkin	jcpham: I do too, but I don't see why it is	[20:40]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: lololol what a troll	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 i recall reading in the forums you bought back way over nav. is it true ?	[20:41]
jcpham	copumpkin i'm so curious now	[20:41]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: way over? no	[20:41]
copumpkin	jcpham: I'm curious to see mircea_popescu's penis too, but it is inappropriate to ask	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	.g nsfw pula mea	[20:41]
markac	mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/	[20:41]
PsychoticBoy	I dont listen to trolls I dont really care, but the fact is, the NAV is decreased from the start	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	there you go copumpkin	[20:41]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: nav before buy back was almost 0.07, average buy back was a little over 0.07, maximum buyback was 0.10	[20:41]
jcpham	i was going to say that i thought mircea_popescu was actually female	[20:41]
jcpham	until you brought up the penis	[20:41]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: that's a different color than what I expected	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	women usually notice the different length first.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	so i guess you're a pedophile.	[20:42]
PsychoticBoy	lol	[20:42]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: oh, the length is what I expected it to be	[20:42]
jcpham	i can never understand what the shit is happening in this channel	[20:42]
copumpkin	but the color surprised me	[20:42]
jcpham	just people yelling	[20:42]
Diablo-D3	man	[20:42]
Diablo-D3	maybe we should pay for a sex change for usagi	[20:42]
PsychoticBoy	1K, 7K whats the difference, its a awfull lot of cash	[20:42]
Diablo-D3	I mean, he clearly wants to be the little girl, and mircea_popescu clearly wants a little girl....	[20:43]
*	mircea_popescu colors copumpkin surprised.	[20:43]
copumpkin	that you did	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	i don't want a little girl diablo. i want grown girls, such as	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/test-de-cultura-vizuala-xii/	[20:43]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu is an ass man?	[20:43]
Bugpowder	not clicking the link	[20:43]
PsychoticBoy	little girls, just watch toddlers and tiara`s on TLC. Pedophile on national TV	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 from the back im an ass man. from the front not so much	[20:44]
Bugpowder	ouch	[20:44]
Diablo-D3	PsychoticBoy: very few TV shows make me want to murder people	[20:44]
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PsychoticBoy	this one does	[20:44]
Diablo-D3	this one does.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	jcpham it's very simple to explain what goes on in irc : we're applying ito calculus to differential geometry	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	and copumpkin's mom.	[20:44]
PsychoticBoy	see I dont get the point of showing that crap on tv	[20:44]
Diablo-D3	!pl CPA 0.1	[20:44]
copumpkin	jcpham: what mircea_popescu said	[20:45]
Diablo-D3	that doesnt work	[20:45]
Bugpowder	its a good idea	[20:45]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).	[20:45]
copumpkin	see, that's why I hate it when people talk about martingale gambling here, cause it's silly to use the inferior meaning of martingale when the superior one is way better	[20:45]
Diablo-D3	jesus lagbot	[20:45]
Bugpowder	I wish I hadn't sold my NYAN.A for .9	[20:45]
copumpkin	talk about unpredictable stochastic processes	[20:45]
copumpkin	semimartingales!	[20:45]
copumpkin	geometric brownian motion!	[20:45]
assbot	CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.04 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06 BTC. Total: -0.05430312 BTC. (-54.3%)	[20:46]
Diablo-D3	s/geometric/gastric/	[20:46]
copumpkin	and my mom, of course	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder why, is it over .9 now ?!	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin stop getting your mom involved in everything.	[20:46]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: alright, but she'll be disappointed	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	no moms in #bitcoin-ass	[20:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.96999999 BTC [+]	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	ets	[20:47]
Bugpowder	:mircea_popescu no cause usagi came in and bought a few shares at .99 after I sold... I lost 1.8 bitcoins on the trade and I'm very upset	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 re the mismanagement if you didn't buy way over nav then it can't really be said you're a bad manager for buying back	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder you should pay someone to malign, troll and misrepresent usagi's posts.	[20:49]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: yeah, I bought a smidgen over nav	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	in the circumstances pretty much anyone sane would have used some cash to buy back and relieve pressure	[20:49]
Bugpowder	I panicked when I saw NYAN.A had 2200 shares of OBSI.HRPT what can I say	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	what with the delisting-relisting etc stuff	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder theoretically the nyan series is a cdo, or something	[20:50]
Bugpowder	yeah	[20:50]
Bugpowder	It's like a CDO with arbitrary swappage of components	[20:50]
copumpkin	this channel is ridiculous :)	[20:50]
Bugpowder	Although I should have just been 1 portfolio, tranched	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder indeed.	[20:50]
Bugpowder	Then you don't have to worry about all this swapping shit	[20:51]
Bugpowder	when the swaps and buybacks occur is totally opaque	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	you mean sorta like mpcd does it.	[20:51]
Bugpowder	yes	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	color me copumpkinized.	[20:51]
Bugpowder	MPCD is easy to understand	[20:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.43334 = 2.1667 BTC [+]	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	its just a puppy yet, i made a 1k thing to test it out.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	im thinking on nov when this one ends i make a 10k one	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	course by then there won't be much left standing to put money in i fear.	[20:52]
Bugpowder	Although I wonder about how the liquidity issue of NYAN.A and Patricks fund will affect it, come Nov 1.	[20:52]
Bugpowder	talking about MPCD.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder patrick cut interest so there's already a shortfall on that count	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, it made a little more on mpoe bonds than expected	[20:53]
Bugpowder	right but is the capital return on Patricks being done through the market, or private withdrawl	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	it was private deposit/private withdrawal	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	i told him at the time how's it going to be withdrawn so im thinking he must have plans in place	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	feel free to ask him tho	[20:54]
Bugpowder	ok	[20:54]
Bugpowder	I will	[20:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.12999999 BTC [+]	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	course i don't ubnderstand how/why would nyan.a be under 1 if b is worth over 0	[20:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53667 @ 0.00035888 = 19.26 BTC [-]	[21:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7833 @ 0.00035878 = 2.8103 BTC [-]	[21:00]
Bugpowder	nice	[21:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 190 @ 0.27340354 = 51.9467 BTC [+]	[21:01]
Bugpowder	I predict S.MPOE rally after all the other MPEX securities pay their monthly dividends.	[21:01]
Bugpowder	(hoping)	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	tbh i think the price drop has to do with secfearz	[21:02]
Bugpowder	could be though it did bounce to .0004 after that.	[21:03]
Bugpowder	!ticker gigamining	[21:03]
assbot	[GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.58000001] [Ask: 0.60769999] [Spread: 0.02769998] [Last: 0.60769999] [24hVol: 39.45790002] [7dAvg: 0.60163888]	[21:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.07684969 BTC [+]	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	yeah but then got sold into that	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	eh who knows	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin markets are so far from efficient...	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	ok so matthewh3 is startying a fund ?	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	what i'd like to see is someone come up with the bright ideea of putting volume rules in his fund contract	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	"this fund will never invest in any security that has less than 100 btc daily volume ; will divest shoudl any assets hold drop under that limit and will never invest more than x% based on a volume calculation"	[21:09]
Bugpowder	!ticker S.MPOE	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035878 / 0.00036367 / 0.0003721 (3001270 shares, 1,091.47 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00039261 / 0.00042 (61513679 shares, 24,151.16 BTC)	[21:10]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: what's B.BITB?	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	mm	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	!ticker B.BITB	[21:16]
assbot	Invalid ticker.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	jesus what's with the bot.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	FabianB i can't say it rings a bell, what is it ?	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	o o o on the bottom	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	i should prolly get rid of that. some offering that never happened.	[21:17]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.60769999 BTC [+]	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	so gigavps terms of upgrade just changed.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	who was hounding me with q's about what giga.etf will do ?	[21:21]
Bugpowder	me	[21:21]
FabianB	ic	[21:21]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [-]	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, new terms : 1 giga for 4 tera free or 1 giga for 15 terra at .29	[21:22]
Bugpowder	yes, with gigamining, what about f.giga.etf	[21:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00036121 = 11.7213 BTC [+]	[21:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 15 @ 0.025 = 0.375 BTC [-]	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	same as before.	[21:26]
Bugpowder	ok	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	but the 11 extra terras seem to be implicitly valued at .29 so then .026666 per or such	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	636363 i mean	[21:28]
Bugpowder	you need to consider the entire price, stock + payment / 15	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	stock's value is 4 shares	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	the remaining 11 are .29	[21:31]
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Bugpowder	the stock's value is what the ask is	[21:32]
Bugpowder	err bid	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	yes and the bid is 4 shares :D	[21:32]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.60769999 BTC [+]	[21:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6077 BTC [+]	[21:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.6095 = 1.219 BTC [+]	[21:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6097 BTC [+]	[21:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2705 @ 0.00044036 = 1.1912 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1190 @ 0.00044036 = 0.524 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7641 @ 0.00044036 = 3.3648 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5900 @ 0.00044036 = 2.5981 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1866 @ 0.00044036 = 0.8217 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5006 @ 0.00044036 = 2.2044 BTC [-]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3288 @ 0.00044036 = 1.4479 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1673 @ 0.00044036 = 0.7367 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3600 @ 0.00044036 = 1.5853 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 720 @ 0.00044036 = 0.3171 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 141 @ 0.00044036 = 0.0621 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4700 @ 0.00044036 = 2.0697 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5100 @ 0.00044036 = 2.2458 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 590 @ 0.00044036 = 0.2598 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1376 @ 0.00044036 = 0.6059 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4400 @ 0.00044036 = 1.9376 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10392 @ 0.00044036 = 4.5762 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11170 @ 0.00044036 = 4.9188 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00044034 = 3.831 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6800 @ 0.0004403 = 2.994 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2206 @ 0.00044018 = 0.971 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5814 @ 0.00044015 = 2.559 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 22 @ 0.00044 = 0.0097 BTC [-]	[21:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SS] 2 @ 0.0178 = 0.0356 BTC [+]	[21:40]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-]	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 500 @ 0.22389262 = 111.9463 BTC [+]	[22:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10153 BTC [-]	[22:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.101521 = 0.4061 BTC [-]	[22:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P050T] 10 @ 0.00020676 = 0.0021 BTC [-]	[22:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10152 BTC [-]	[22:06]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07973999 BTC [+]	[22:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.101322 = 0.4053 BTC [-]	[22:08]
PsychoticBoy	!ticker ABM	[22:09]
PsychoticBoy	!ticker FDBF	[22:09]
PsychoticBoy	assbot?	[22:10]
assbot	[GLBSE:ABM] [Bid: 0.11] [Ask: 0.37999999] [Spread: 0.26999999] [Last: 0.10000001] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.25357143]	[22:10]
assbot	[GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.121] [Ask: 0.149253] [Spread: 0.028253] [Last: 0.149253] [24hVol: 23.134212] [7dAvg: 0.13916207]	[22:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 8 @ 0.1013 = 0.8104 BTC [-]	[22:10]
jurov	;;botsnack	[22:10]
gribble	Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)	[22:10]
jurov	oh not you	[22:10]
jurov	!botsnack	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	poor gribs	[22:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.109493 = 0.7665 BTC [-]	[22:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JTGB] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[22:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1012 BTC [-]	[22:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 70 @ 0.101 = 7.07 BTC [-]	[22:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.58000001 = 1.16 BTC [-]	[22:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]	[22:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56110002 BTC [-]	[22:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.3995 BTC [+]	[22:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]	[22:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.56110003 = 1.6833 BTC [+]	[22:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 2 @ 0.874 = 1.748 BTC [-]	[22:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 2 @ 0.87498 = 1.75 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 3 @ 0.87499 = 2.625 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 4 @ 0.9 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 14 @ 0.905 = 12.67 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5609 = 1.1218 BTC [-]	[22:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.5607 = 1.6821 BTC [-]	[22:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.5607 = 2.8035 BTC [-]	[22:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5606 = 1.1212 BTC [-]	[22:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]	[22:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]	[22:27]
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Bastone	mircea_popescu: Is it true that you peddle porn on the same server that you are claiming to run a legitimate exchange?	[22:30]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.46830001 BTC [-]	[22:30]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Is it true that you sell child porn?	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	Bastone nope.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	there's a 4chan board, a digg style aggregator, a romanian language blog, abitcoin forum and a bunch of other stuff on the domain.	[22:31]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: How can you say no when there is evidence that you are in fact hosting porn on the server that hosts MPEx?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	your question was as to peddle.	[22:31]
Bastone	Oh, so you don't sell the child porn, you just host it?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	as far as i know there's no child porn.	[22:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.4683 = 0.9366 BTC [-]	[22:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00036498 = 2.0074 BTC [+]	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	it's an imageboard, users post things. do you know what an imageboard is ?	[22:31]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: I noticed that you list shares on GLBSE but then bash the exchange? Are you only hosting shares there in order to try to drive funds to your worthless exchange?	[22:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.55000001 = 2.2 BTC [-]	[22:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]	[22:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [-]	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	Bastone that's a bizzare notion. mpex has ~80% of all btc securities volume	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	this glbse thing you ask about is a blip.	[22:32]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: How many users have paid the ridiculous sign up fee for your exchange?	[22:32]
grubles	why do you have such a hard-on for mircea, bastone?	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	about a hundred or so	[22:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.46827 BTC [-]	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	the revenue is published you know.	[22:32]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: No I didn't know. Your website is unusable for any normal person.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	that's unfortunate, cause the revenue is published on bitcointalk too.	[22:33]
Bastone	All your forum posts are so filled with garbage hate posts, it's hard to find any legitimate information about your operation.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	lemme have the girl dig it up for you then	[22:33]
Bastone	Smoovious: He's had hundreds of signups. lol I'm sure a domain name is right around the corner.	[22:34]
grubles	the signup fee was waived during the beta iirc	[22:34]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Why have a girl dig it up? Are you incapable of providing a link?	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg1230888#msg1230888 here you go Bastone	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	Bastone re domain names : try mpex.us for instance.	[22:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.46817 = 3.7454 BTC [-]	[22:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.60949997 BTC [+]	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	Bastone you are being remarkably cheeky. i'm the owner/ceo of that thing. simmer down.	[22:34]
Bastone	That doesn't list signup revenue.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	*Revenue from new accounts : 330 BTC	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	did you notice that ?	[22:35]
Bastone	You don't like trolls mircea_popescu?	[22:35]
Bastone	No, I didn't.	[22:35]
grubles	Smoovious, did you not just see him mention mpex.us?	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	so read more, talk less.	[22:35]
Bastone	You don't like trolls?	[22:35]
Bastone	But you like to troll so much.	[22:35]
grubles	resolved pretty much instantly for me	[22:36]
OneEyed	Bastone: you don't even know how to troll obviously	[22:36]
Bastone	Funny, he paid for a .us to save a few bucks... haha	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter of that. you have the benefit of talking to someone much more important than you, in the scvheme of things.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	don't blow it.	[22:36]
Bastone	totally a cheap ass fake exhange operator.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[22:36]
PsychoticBoy	trolls enough on the forum these days	[22:36]
Bastone	More important than me?	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 49 @ 0.0034 = 0.1666 BTC [+]	[22:36]
grubles	Bastone, go back to bitcointalk	[22:36]
Bastone	Your self importance is irrelevant.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	right. s.mpoe paid in dividends ~25% of all bitcoins mined in september.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	give that a minute to sink in.	[22:37]
Bastone	mircea_popescu is a fake trolling piece of child porn peddling shit.	[22:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.07973999 = 0.2392 BTC [+]	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	o look, off webchat too. dun dun dun.	[22:37]
PsychoticBoy	Could everyone take his: He you got a small dick! Talk elsewhere	[22:37]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Since you are the only owner of your lame ass securities, I'm sure you can inflate the numbers to whatever you want.	[22:37]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: what do you have against small dicks? You troll :)	[22:37]
PsychoticBoy	lol	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	Bastone the trades go out on tickers you know.	[22:37]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: btw, do you have any plan to sell FDBF outside GLBSE?	[22:38]
Cylta	Baston if you have nothing to say more, you do better be quiet ...	[22:38]
Bastone	Who cares that you trade with yourself all day because you have no life.	[22:38]
grubles	lol	[22:38]
Bastone	All the shares on your exchange are valued at less than a penny per share and you think that makes for high volume.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	hey this is fun	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	.g nsfw gradina edenului	[22:38]
markac	mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	there, that's my lack of life.	[22:38]
PsychoticBoy	depends on the future of GLBSE, cryptostocks at the moment sucks big time, and Mpex is not as accessible as I wish	[22:39]
Bastone	mircea_popescu runs a horrible exchange, is a troll, peddles child porn, has a horribly ugly internet girlfriend, and thinks he is some kind of important figure in the BTC community despite being one of the most highly ignored individuals on the forum.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy why'd it suck big time ?	[22:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [+]	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	Bastone im not on the forum.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	also, the girl's performance at being ignored is appaling. reeses does much better.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	so does atlas. and so many people ;/	[22:39]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: I was very happy with my 300 shares of FDBF, but I am selling (those at 0.149253 are mine, 39 remaining) because I really want out of GLBSE, I don't trust the site with my BTC anymore after the recent Goat assets drama	[22:40]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: You are the biggest forum troll there is... Your "fake girlfriend PR account" is the most ignored...	[22:40]
PsychoticBoy	did I talk bad about mpex? cryptostocks got ultra low volume so......	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy o, cause of the volume ? mk.	[22:40]
Cylta	Baston did you loose something? Or you just personally dislike him?	[22:40]
Bastone	Goat was a scammer.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	i keep waiting to see a trade stream from them, hasn't happened yet.	[22:40]
Bastone	If Mpex is so great, why not let Goat list his share there? Oh wait, cuz nobody in their right mind would sign up to claim their shares.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	so Bastone did EskimoBob pay you to attack my exchange ? hm ?	[22:41]
PsychoticBoy	goat had a mining company without even owning hardware and was paying 1mh/s ( he made up all sorts of contratcts) so yes Goat is in my eyes a Scammer	[22:41]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: I keep waiting for one of your listings to get above 0.0001BTC/share... I'll keep waiting.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	!ticker s.dice	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (900 shares, 3.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0033 / 0.00337051 / 0.0034 (2363535 shares, 7,966.34 BTC)	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	there, that's over 0.0001	[22:41]
jcpham	that's not close to 9000 at all	[22:42]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Nobody paid me to attack you. I'm doing it out of pure hatred of your child porn peddling, fake exchange running, no girlfriend having, troll ass.	[22:42]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: that's not the point - Goat may be a scammer, but GLBSE could have handled it much more gracefully for the investors	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed how long have you been around btc/finance btw ?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	you seem up to speed.	[22:42]
PsychoticBoy	so eventually Goat sucked the btc out of investors, F*cking goat behhh	[22:42]
Bastone	Everyone knew Goat was a scammer....	[22:42]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: not much, I don't like the "real" finance world much :)	[22:42]
Bastone	It was inevitable.	[22:42]
PsychoticBoy	thats true, nefario had a short fuse	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed well propos for your documentary skills then	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	Bastone so exactly why do you hate me ?	[22:43]
Bastone	Just like everyone knows mircea_popescu is a child porn peddler with the worst exchange ever created.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	(purely)	[22:43]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Because I'm tired of your trolling.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	well actually... that bitdaytrade thing was provably worse.	[22:43]
Bastone	Stop trolling the forum, and maybe I'll give it a rest.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	o i c	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	this is virulent criminal blackmailing!	[22:43]
PsychoticBoy	whats up with the trolling lately? I wish it were 2011 again	[22:44]
grubles	by posting on the forums you are either: 1. a ponzi. 2. trolling 3. scammer	[22:44]
Bastone	No. It's trolling.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	grubles you could also be bored.	[22:44]
grubles	yes true	[22:44]
Bastone	If you would like another dick riding troll following you around, keep up what you've been up to the last 12 hours.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	can you get moar specific ?	[22:44]
Bastone	Can you stop trolling?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	well my ability to stop trolling would seem to hinge on your control over the voices.	[22:45]
Bastone	Eye for an eye, we both lose our sight.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	can you get whoever is in your head telling you im trolling to shut up ?	[22:45]
PsychoticBoy	I got trolls for sale, the onces with long colored hair ;)	[22:45]
PsychoticBoy	populair in the late 90`s	[22:46]
Bastone	MPOE-PR needs to shut the fuck up.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	what;d she say ?	[22:46]
Bastone	Since that is your fake girlfriend alter-ego. I assume you have the ability to stop her.	[22:46]
grubles	lol	[22:46]
*	PsychoticBoy thinks MPOE-PR should change avatar on forum, moar nude lols	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	girl's unstoppable.	[22:46]
grubles	Bastone, you can always hit the ignore button	[22:46]
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Bastone	grubles: I've tried. She has more sock puppets than rolls in her gut it would seem.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	...	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	what sock puppets ?!	[22:47]
grubles	oh yeah forgot about that possibility when posting to the forums	[22:47]
OneEyed	Oh, MPOE-PR is mircea_popescu girlfriend? I haven't followed the sitcom apparently, I thought it was Mircea himself.	[22:47]
grubles	5. you are a sock puppet	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed actually she's neither.	[22:47]
PsychoticBoy	i got a sock puppet, lots of them, I got the whole muppetshow	[22:47]
PsychoticBoy	burskinbur chop chop chop	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	she's just a chick with generous cleavage that works forum pr for me.	[22:48]
PsychoticBoy	nice	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	so Bastone, do we know you under some other name ?	[22:49]
Bastone	You don't know anyone it seems. You're too important to bother yourself with regular Bitcoiners.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[22:49]
Bastone	You can call me usagi if you'd like.	[22:49]
Bastone	haha	[22:49]
Bastone	Or you could call me MPOE-PR	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	now seriously... why are you such a noob ?	[22:50]
PsychoticBoy	call me grand master	[22:50]
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Bastone	I'm not a noob.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	mk.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	so you really think you can sell me naked puts on your own stock ?	[22:50]
PsychoticBoy	shave my nuts and call me grandpa	[22:51]
Bastone	You're funny.	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	well... i'm not trying (badly) to be anon while flinging stupid shit at people.	[22:51]
Bastone	You fling stupid shit at people all day.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	no. my shit is smart.	[22:51]
PsychoticBoy	when cows fly then there would be flying shit	[22:52]
Bastone	Keep telling yourself that.	[22:52]
PsychoticBoy	damn I have to stop drinkin beer	[22:52]
Bastone	mircea_popescu: Lists his asset on competing exchange while bashing it. haha	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	what asset would that be ?	[22:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2400 @ 0.00044037 = 1.0569 BTC [+]	[22:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7600 @ 0.00044037 = 3.3468 BTC [+]	[22:53]
Bastone	asshat passthru	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	name ?	[22:54]
Bastone	I'm not going to take the time to look it up.	[22:54]
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mircea_popescu	...	[22:54]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: you're wasting space, use "…" instead, Unicode rules :)	[22:54]
*	mircea_popescu hates unicode	[22:54]
*	OneEyed likes Unicode very much	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	if i had it my way it'd be forbidden to use languages on the internet.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	english letters and stfu.	[22:55]
OneEyed	Like "touché"?	[22:55]
pigeons	. . .	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	touche you mean	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	lol pigeons you troll you!	[22:55]
OneEyed	⋅⋅⋅	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	° ° °	[22:56]
pigeons	that's WTF-32	[22:56]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: I already notice you seem to think that uppercase letters are useless, now accented characters. 26 letters ought to be enough for everybody	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	exacTLY!	[22:56]
OneEyed	Learn Portuguese, they have 23 letters, no K, W or Y	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	i'm sorta decent in portuguese	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	i can read it at any rate.	[22:57]
OneEyed	bitcoin-central.net has such a low liquidity… all trades for 2 days have been mine, that will total 20 BTC…	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even know it existed.	[22:58]
OneEyed	They have a French bank account, much better than the usual Polish one for other exchanges	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	someone had sepa tho no ?	[22:59]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't really go on the exchanges much	[22:59]
OneEyed	Yeah, all European exchanges	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	Bitcoin-Central is a service operated by the French company Paymium.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	these the Paytunia folks ?	[23:00]
PsychoticBoy	FDBF dividend payment in 10 min	[23:01]
pigeons	mircea_popescu: yes, davout & crew	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	ya	[23:01]
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mircea_popescu	well i must confess this trolling was very unsatisfactory.	[23:02]
jurov	should i ever have a company profile with photos,	[23:02]
PsychoticBoy	trolling on the river	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	girl told him he's not intellectually prepared to do naked puts, he comes here to prove it !? but whay!	[23:02]
jurov	i'll list the positions as Chief Sockpuppet	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov i knew a guy named Sockpill	[23:03]
PsychoticBoy	puts his xtc pills in his socks while going into the disco	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:03]
PsychoticBoy	true	[23:03]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: I don't know if you've seen it, but EskimoBob was enquiring about any software used to manage FDBF	[23:04]
jurov	nice... and what about Chief Bitcoin Peddler	[23:04]
OneEyed	(he thought I was one of the owners, because I praised it)	[23:04]
PsychoticBoy	nope not yet OneEyed, looking right now	[23:04]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: should be in the history of this channel	[23:04]
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PsychoticBoy	searching	[23:05]
OneEyed	16:24:23* EskimoBob \| OneEyed: you manage the FDBF? Do you guys use any accounting or portfolio management software? │@assbot	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	in general using something is a good ideea.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	gnucash for instance	[23:05]
OneEyed	(was 14:24 UTC today)	[23:05]
PsychoticBoy	we use formulas in google docs spreadsheet, and fill in manualy	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	fdbf is PsychoticBoy + paladon no ?	[23:06]
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PsychoticBoy	yes	[23:06]
PsychoticBoy	we both control FDBF	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	can i see your portofolio somewhere ?	[23:07]
OneEyed	And you seem to do a pretty fucking job. Nice returns + nice reporting	[23:07]
OneEyed	16:24:23* EskimoBob \| OneEyed: you manage the FDBF? Do you guys use any accounting or portfolio management software? │@assbot	[23:07]
OneEyed	(sorry for the bad paste)	[23:07]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkzS_thDsmwudHVKcFdMRXg5cjY3eklqNmxHeGlIeXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html	[23:07]
PsychoticBoy	thanks OneEyed ;)	[23:08]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: I happened to have it open in my browser	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	~500 btc total capital ?	[23:08]
PsychoticBoy	I am paying div in a couple a minutes, spreadsheet will be adapted first thing in the morning	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	aha this is pretty nice actually.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	see usagi, this is how setting the standards looks.	[23:09]
PsychoticBoy	cause its 22:09 over here	[23:09]
PsychoticBoy	:D	[23:09]
OneEyed	Oh yeah, I forgot you were in the same time zone as me	[23:09]
PsychoticBoy	learn from failures makes new companies a succes	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	what failures you mean ?	[23:10]
PsychoticBoy	NAV failures	[23:10]
OneEyed	I'm not sure they is much potential for growth though. Liquidity on GLBSE is so low, that you wouldn't know what to do with 10,000 BTC if you could sell all the shares	[23:10]
OneEyed	^they^there	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy suggestion ; put the numbers by the names on the right hand piechart	[23:10]
PsychoticBoy	and lack information to shareholdersw	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	not just on the piechart but also next to the symbols	[23:11]
PsychoticBoy	lack of	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 0.48939999 BTC [+]	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 24 @ 0.4894 = 11.7456 BTC [+]	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 8 @ 0.4895 = 3.916 BTC [+]	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 10 @ 0.49 = 4.9 BTC [+]	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed he'd have to buy a mpex acct if he got 10k btc i guess.	[23:11]
PsychoticBoy	ok I will get into that mircea	[23:11]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: yeah, probably	[23:11]
Guest71873	If he got 500 BTC he should have an MPEX account	[23:12]
PsychoticBoy	10k btc?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	Guest71873 who're you ?!	[23:12]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: didn't you want to sell 100k shares?	[23:12]
PsychoticBoy	yes, thats the plan	[23:12]
PsychoticBoy	all at 0.15	[23:12]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: oh, you're right, face value is .15, not .1, so 15kBTC	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	ouch you got 100 btc in fpgamining, isn't that awol ?	[23:12]
PsychoticBoy	hopefully eventually	[23:13]
Guest71873	a man who forgot to identify in time	[23:13]
PsychoticBoy	thats indeed a lot, selling them at a loss atm	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	what's jah, jwu's thing ?	[23:13]
PsychoticBoy	no rastapool i think	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	hm	[23:13]
Diablo-D3	so	[23:14]
Diablo-D3	did nefario commit suicide or not	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	what's "dividend sold assets" mean PsychoticBoy ?	[23:14]
Guest71873	lol	[23:14]
PsychoticBoy	verification on GLBSE means nothing these days, I can only get verified on 2 of 6	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nefario	[23:14]
gribble	nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 0 hours, 14 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore	[23:14]
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PsychoticBoy	assets that were sold and also paid div that week	[23:14]
OneEyed	I wonder how much vescudero payed out of his own pocket to be able to pay all his investors back, and right in time. This was a tremendous service, but I bet this has been an awful loss for him.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	OneEyed some k's went there yea	[23:15]
PsychoticBoy	I had some btc with vescudero but withdrawed a few months ago	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	he's not the only one paying out of pocket actually. there's abour a dozen people, so is/was goat	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	so was imsaguy, buncha ppl around ppts	[23:15]
OneEyed	mircea_popescu: yeah, but some of them had a chance to make a profit before. I think vescudero was just entering the btc game, so no profit to reinvest there.	[23:16]
Diablo-D3	6 fucking days man	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	ahaha completed loan poopidypoop! whoa btc statement sheets rule	[23:16]
Diablo-D3	6 FUCKING DAYS MAAAAAAAAAAN	[23:16]
Diablo-D3	woah he could have turned into a being of pure energy	[23:16]
Bugpowder_	Hes probably at that bitcoin conference	[23:16]
Bugpowder_	still	[23:16]
Diablo-D3	Bugpowder_: the one he already came home from?	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder_ lol like the ghostship ?	[23:16]
Diablo-D3	after doing like a ton of coke	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	what coke ? meth. coke is expensive.	[23:17]
PsychoticBoy	nice got some?	[23:17]
PsychoticBoy	FDBF dividends have been paid!	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	o glbse still doesn't announce divs huh	[23:18]
Bugpowder_	meth hurts about 10 times more afterwards	[23:18]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: confirmed	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder_ sorta like glbse investing :D	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	btw do you know how to use ghost/release ?	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 550 @ 0.00036498 = 0.2007 BTC [+]	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00036436 = 3.1517 BTC [-]	[23:18]
Bugpowder_	not rly	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1039 @ 0.00044037 = 0.4575 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4224 @ 0.00044037 = 1.8601 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 941 @ 0.00044037 = 0.4144 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044037 = 0.1761 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 600 @ 0.00044037 = 0.2642 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 800 @ 0.00044037 = 0.3523 BTC [+]	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	you go /msg nickserv release password	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00044037 = 2.1578 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4500 @ 0.00044037 = 1.9817 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5890 @ 0.00044037 = 2.5938 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 740 @ 0.00044037 = 0.3259 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7300 @ 0.00044037 = 3.2147 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3729 @ 0.00044037 = 1.6421 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2614 @ 0.00044037 = 1.1511 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3682 @ 0.00044037 = 1.6214 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00044037 = 1.145 BTC [+]	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6041 @ 0.00044037 = 2.6603 BTC [+]	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	and you can then log in as your proper name	[23:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 100 @ 0.00044037 = 0.044 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4392 @ 0.00044037 = 1.9341 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6100 @ 0.00044046 = 2.6868 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5844 @ 0.00044192 = 2.5826 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2700 @ 0.00044336 = 1.1971 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9000 @ 0.00044891 = 4.0402 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00050725 = 0.1522 BTC [+]	[23:20]
Bugpowder	upgrade	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1600 @ 0.00051744 = 0.8279 BTC [+]	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4964 @ 0.00055755 = 2.7677 BTC [+]	[23:20]
Bugpowder	wow	[23:21]
pigeons	dividend day coming	[23:21]
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Bugpowder	good luck getting out of that position	[23:22]
Bugpowder	sigh	[23:23]
pigeons	well i don't have any, i bought some a few days ago for the dividends but had to sell them because they are going for twice what i paid for them	[23:24]
pigeons	keeps happening with them	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	pigeons what is this ?	[23:24]
pigeons	F.GIGA.ETF	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	you bought them for 25 ?!	[23:24]
pigeons	yes	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	wowza. good deal.	[23:25]
pigeons	and 33 too	[23:25]
Bugpowder	you are welcom	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	lol what you sold ?	[23:25]
pigeons	44 or something	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	dude i thought i was supposed to be trading with myself, stop coming forward and claiming trades	[23:25]
Bugpowder	I sold 875,000 shares	[23:26]
Bugpowder	down to 28	[23:26]
Bugpowder	oops	[23:26]
pigeons	i just had to counter Bugpowder's opinion on that "good luck" cause i disagree	[23:26]
Bugpowder	GLBSE's SEC meltdown caused the bounce	[23:27]
Bugpowder	people shifting assets over	[23:27]
pigeons	well yeah	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	what sense does that make ?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	giga is sec-proof-er than others ?	[23:28]
Bugpowder	MPEX is more SEC proof	[23:29]
Bugpowder	All the pass thrus	[23:29]
pigeons	when glbse goes down, more chance giga pays via mirce than nefario	[23:29]
Bugpowder	of ponzis	[23:29]
Bugpowder	are there	[23:29]
pigeons	but mircea's gigas are actually held via glbse	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106393.msg1167917#msg1167917 who was asking for pot company ?	[23:29]
Bugpowder	he	[23:30]
Bugpowder	o yyea	[23:30]
PsychoticBoy	I live in the Netherlands so I could make a pot company ( LEGALLY)	[23:31]
Bugpowder	well, this a market of imperfect investors and information.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	"Have you considered using GLBSE for this fundraising operation? I would be hesitant to just send you some bitcoins, but if you were verified on GLBSE and offered an IPO I would definitely invest."	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	i like this mindset :D	[23:31]
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PsychoticBoy	wow I will set up a growing plan for my weed stock, I ll grow and sell and give shareholders a piece of the profit	[23:32]
PsychoticBoy	nice	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy pay in kind.	[23:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.60949993 = 1.8285 BTC [-]	[23:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.60949994 BTC [+]	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	send leaves through the mail	[23:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6095 BTC [+]	[23:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 11 @ 0.6097 = 6.7067 BTC [+]	[23:32]
PsychoticBoy	sure, whats your address? 10$ a gram, ok?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i don't even smoke	[23:33]
PsychoticBoy	I can buy legally here in a coffeeshop	[23:33]
PsychoticBoy	Me neither	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i know, i visit holland ocasionally.	[23:33]
PsychoticBoy	nice :D	[23:34]
kakobrekla	we should have a meet there	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	might be an ideea, tho not in the winter	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	winter there sux	[23:34]
PsychoticBoy	sure, you can all just come over	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	actually belgrade would be an ideea	[23:34]
PsychoticBoy	rain and about 2C	[23:34]
OneEyed	I spent two weeks in Amsterdam this summer, that was nice	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	its a nice town, it's cheap and warm.	[23:34]
jurov	[GLBSE][S.HASH] Dividend of 5.622 kg sent to notional float of 100000 shares.	[23:35]
grubles	mircea_popescu, what was that python script for mpex commands?	[23:35]
kakobrekla	theres a small bitcoin conference in slovenia next week	[23:35]
grubles	pympex?	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	grubles yup	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	why small and why next weke!	[23:35]
grubles	ok thx	[23:35]
kakobrekla	where bitstamp will buy me a coke.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	i can't travel on a week's notice ffs	[23:35]
PsychoticBoy	oeh slovenia, its to far, the btc conference was quite nice and boring though	[23:35]
kakobrekla	PsychoticBoy, same distance from here to NL than from NL to here	[23:36]
kakobrekla	i guess NL is far, not slovenia.	[23:36]
PsychoticBoy	NL > Slovenia ~5000KM	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	nowai ?!	[23:36]
PsychoticBoy	wait Ill ask google	[23:36]
kakobrekla	hm	[23:37]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: would you be able to sell to aliens starting 2013?	[23:37]
kakobrekla	i done that road couple of times	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	1000 km from amsterdam to ljubliana	[23:37]
jurov	5k km? loooool	[23:37]
kakobrekla	12-14 hrs	[23:37]
kakobrekla	could be less	[23:37]
kakobrekla	depends how you drive	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway not 5k	[23:37]
PsychoticBoy	ok then i am able to take that trip in my subaru	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	not unless you go through istanbul	[23:37]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:38]
PsychoticBoy	nice holiday in Turkye ±D	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	ya, turkey is nice in the winter	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	december on bosphorus!	[23:38]
PsychoticBoy	PsychoticBoy: would you be able to sell to aliens starting 2013?	[23:40]
PsychoticBoy	???	[23:40]
kakobrekla	meh	[23:40]
kakobrekla	as long as im inside	[23:40]
kakobrekla	i dont care if its winter or summer	[23:40]
kakobrekla	or if its prague or adam	[23:40]
PsychoticBoy	what guanja	[23:40]
OneEyed	PsychoticBoy: yeah, you can't sell weed to foreigners any more, could you sell parts of weed production?	[23:41]
PsychoticBoy	I can sell to foreigners, just vacuum and post it	[23:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.00979 = 0.1469 BTC [-]	[23:41]
OneEyed	I don't know what the new law (I don't even know if it's a law in fact) covers	[23:41]
PsychoticBoy	only you take the risk, here its legal	[23:42]
kakobrekla	are you an experienced grower?	[23:42]
*	toffoo (~tof@201-29-52-42.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
PsychoticBoy	not really I grow 5 plants in my garden legally but can buy great quality at the coffeshop	[23:43]
kakobrekla	but coffee shop prices are scam	[23:43]
PsychoticBoy	yep	[23:43]
PsychoticBoy	6-12eur a gram	[23:43]
kakobrekla	so	[23:44]
kakobrekla	why would anyone buy that	[23:44]
PsychoticBoy	better than at silk road	[23:44]
PsychoticBoy	and thats for sure	[23:44]
kakobrekla	plus pay your costs for shipping and handlig	[23:44]
PsychoticBoy	I dont rweally offer it, but since i live in the Netherlands all can buy from me if they wish	[23:45]
kakobrekla	ok	[23:45]
PsychoticBoy	and yes, you pay handling and shipping	[23:45]
OneEyed	Define handling :)	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00036596 = 2.3787 BTC [+]	[23:45]
PsychoticBoy	so ~1 btc a gram	[23:45]
PsychoticBoy	packet and posting	[23:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BBBB] 23 @ 0.000128 = 0.0029 BTC [-]	[23:47]
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mircea_popescu	well... i got some very nice garden mint.	[23:56]
PsychoticBoy	ok nice, good in my tea or just to chew on	[23:58]

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