Forum logs for 30 Jan 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
dub | typical chinese, 'of course i lied, lol' | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | i mean ror | [00:00] |
jcpham | but out of the box ready to mine with software is a game changer | [00:00] |
jcpham | if you ask me | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham someone was opining that they got 300 chips of which 10 work | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | and made 3 boxes out of them | [00:01] |
jcpham | i haven't read ny of the forum fud | [00:01] |
jcpham | surrounding any of the asic stuff | [00:01] |
dub | I burnt out on it pretty quick | [00:02] |
dub | >9000 troll to 1 usefull post | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | i get digests | [00:02] |
jcpham | exactly | [00:02] |
dub | you should resell those | [00:02] |
jcpham | i'm not even interested in digests | [00:03] |
dub | make some more money out of your girl | [00:03] |
jcpham | -otc is getting or is like that now too | [00:03] |
dub | >getting | [00:03] |
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mircea_popescu | dub i kinda open source them | [00:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.8 BTC [+] | [00:09] |
dub | orly? | [00:09] |
dub | HIM? | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | "ASIC's are not a natural technological generation leap like going from CPU to GPU was. ASIC's are simply specialized processing units made specifically for Bitcoin. Which i do not beleive is following the original intentions of Satoshi, for many reasons." | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | not reading the forum ? missing out. | [00:10] |
dub | lol who was that? | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | a thread | [00:12] |
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mircea_popescu | 17k words from 17 post noob | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | knowing better about everything. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | "Would it be even remotely possible to force the change in sha256 bitcoin algorith to something else that asic and fpga devices couldnt compute? | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | We started off with a bitcoin that anyone could use and now were forced to buy stuff we dont really want. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | I realise that there are some ppl that allready invested in asic and fpga, but ton off ppl are unsatisfied with this. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | Do U think btc should move away from sha256 and let "normal" people the chance ?" | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | i have a special section "top 5 most idiotic things" | [00:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 112 @ 0.0089 = 0.9968 BTC [-] | [00:14] |
jurov | they'll rather whine instead of improving litecoin | [00:15] |
jcpham | where did that text come from | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham the forum | [00:16] |
Lyspooner | let's go to sha 257 | [00:17] |
Lyspooner | asics won't stand a chance | [00:17] |
jcpham | mircea_popescu but 16 posts means he learned a lot about the bitty coins | [00:17] |
jcpham | and the asics | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | yes i agree | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | actually https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139704.msg1488175#msg1488175 thats pretty good | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | chinese scammer impersonating or actualy avalon guy scamming ? | [00:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 798 @ 0.01 = 7.98 BTC [+] | [00:20] |
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thestringpuller | [00:22] | |
thestringpuller | chinese scammer impersonating or actualy | [00:22] |
thestringpuller | avalon guy scamming ? << futurama fry right there | [00:22] |
mircea_popescu | i never watched that 1 | [00:22] |
Namworld | people need more BTC-BOND | [00:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0075 BTC [+] | [00:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 258 @ 0.00730771 = 1.8854 BTC [-] | [00:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734366 = 2.2031 BTC [+] | [00:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6992 @ 0.00065546 = 4.583 BTC [+] | [00:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00065567 = 2.6804 BTC [+] | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | anyone here can give me some data on mining implements ? | [00:41] |
Bugpowder | So are the taking the second order money before anyone confirms receiving a functional unit? | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | trying to. | [00:42] |
Bugpowder | Go Eskimo! | [00:42] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;help | [00:43] |
gribble | The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ | [00:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00064923 = 3.7331 BTC [-] | [00:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064699 = 2.7956 BTC [-] | [00:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5379 @ 0.00064693 = 3.4798 BTC [-] | [00:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-] | [00:47] |
Ukto | since this channel was quoted into fhe forums, I responded and am posting that response here. Perhaps someone will quote this line as well. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139755.msg1489006#msg1489006 | [00:49] |
Ukto | Namworld: btw, I think those bonus divs were a great use of the pre-timed payouts to get some sales. I think it helped alot for getting shares out. :) | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 185 | [00:53] |
gribble | 185 | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,diff 185 | [00:53] |
gribble | 2968775.3320751 | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,calc 185 | [00:53] |
gribble | use the 'gentime' command instead | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gentime 185000 | [00:53] |
gribble | The average time to generate a block at 185000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2968775.33208, is 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds | [00:53] |
Namworld | yeah. Well I had indeed made great profit trading options... | [00:53] |
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Namworld | Bonuses I give on BTC-BOND are a very small fraction of what I make. | [00:54] |
Ukto | and its not required, so its pretty cool :) | [00:56] |
Ukto | reminds me of when I had my JAH shares on glbse, and rasta paid divs nightly, even though he only had to paid weekly. | [00:56] |
burnside | Ukto, just so we're clear. Anytime you post something that is incorrect, wrong, or misleading, I'm going to post a follow up with the truth. If that bothers you, I'm sorry, but it has to be done. If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't say definitively that something is true when it is not. | [01:01] |
Ukto | ah, how about a rebuttle where the statement was? | [01:02] |
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Ukto | A bit overkill for forums isnt it? | [01:02] |
Ukto | for something that to this moment looks to be ture? | [01:02] |
Ukto | true? | [01:02] |
Ukto | still have no idea what asking about outstanding shares has to do with lieing or fud | [01:03] |
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Ukto | unless your whole goal is to troll and try to make me look bad ? | [01:03] |
burnside | How could it look to be true that the order book is not backed? Orders you cannot afford get canceled... the functionality is plain and simple. And, you did not even try it? | [01:03] |
burnside | The looking bad part I think you accomplish just fine on your own. | [01:04] |
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Ukto | i cant force wsomeone to buy my shares. | [01:04] |
Ukto | so if I have 20btc, and put 6 5btc bids on assets | [01:04] |
Ukto | and one clears | [01:04] |
Ukto | which ones get canceled? | [01:04] |
pigeons | i'll try it now | [01:04] |
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Ukto | all of them? | [01:04] |
jcpham | go go gadget pigeons | [01:05] |
burnside | you can't put 6 4 btc bids with 20 btc... | [01:05] |
pigeons | the question is when do orders you can't afford get cancelled | [01:05] |
burnside | errr, 6 5 btc bids | [01:05] |
Ukto | fine, call it 30 | [01:05] |
Ukto | wel | [01:05] |
Ukto | actually | [01:05] |
Ukto | why not? | [01:05] |
Ukto | you reserves are per asset | [01:05] |
Ukto | right? | [01:05] |
Ukto | or did deprived lie? | [01:05] |
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burnside | across assets, sure, but not on the same asset | [01:05] |
TradeFortress | *grabs popcorn* | [01:05] |
Ukto | i never said same asset | [01:05] |
Ukto | so lets go back to $20 | [01:05] |
Ukto | er | [01:05] |
Ukto | 20btc | [01:05] |
Ukto | 6 5btc bids | [01:05] |
Ukto | 6 assets | [01:06] |
Ukto | one clears | [01:06] |
burnside | yes, the rest of how it works has been beaten to death | [01:06] |
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Ukto | are all canceled? | [01:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.01 = 2 BTC [+] | [01:06] |
burnside | I get that you don't like it. | [01:06] |
Ukto | answer my question | [01:06] |
Ukto | one 5btc order clears | [01:06] |
pigeons | ok it cancelled other orders | [01:06] |
Ukto | are all teh rest canceled? | [01:06] |
pigeons | as for how it chose | [01:06] |
Ukto | pigeons: all of them ? | [01:06] |
Ukto | or just random | [01:06] |
pigeons | it isn't transparent how it chose | [01:06] |
burnside | ahh, good question. on the bids side your highest bids get canceled. | [01:06] |
burnside | in order | [01:06] |
Ukto | ahh, and its instant? | [01:07] |
burnside | yes | [01:07] |
pigeons | nope not all of them | [01:07] |
Ukto | apparently from the sound of pigeons | [01:07] |
burnside | it's part of the order process | [01:07] |
burnside | and not all of them, just the ones you can no longer afford | [01:07] |
pigeons | when it accepts your order it cancells others for insufficient funds | [01:07] |
burnside | yes | [01:07] |
Ukto | yup, thats cool and nice to know | [01:07] |
pigeons | just don't accept the order | [01:07] |
Ukto | but not what I was going on about. :) | [01:07] |
Ukto | I was saying that in my opinion i feel its a lie to show X btc worth on the books when its not actually there | [01:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4100 @ 0.007395 = 30.3195 BTC [+] | [01:08] |
Ukto | and can be abused for pumping | [01:08] |
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Ukto | whcih is why the major stock exchange do not do it | [01:08] |
burnside | I thought about that pigeons, but that's a ui issue where I decided that the order they're placing should rank higher than orders they already had. (what they want to do NOW outranks what they wanted to do yesterday.) | [01:08] |
Namworld | How is it a lie? all bids on the book can be filled right away | [01:09] |
Ukto | so the question is | [01:09] |
pigeons | sometimes you guestimate, if it lets me do it i mathjed right, not here ;) | [01:09] |
Namworld | It can just removes demand on other assets at the same time. | [01:09] |
Ukto | Namworld: so all 6 of my 5btc pids could instnatly be filled even tho I have 20btc? | [01:09] |
Namworld | no | [01:09] |
pigeons | its not fake cause it cancels immediately i agree, but also i dont think its user friendly, shouldnt accept the order | [01:09] |
Ukto | so say I am dumping my shares of all my assets | [01:09] |
TradeFortress | inb4 race attack causes account balance to go negative | [01:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00065006 = 3.8679 BTC [+] | [01:09] |
burnside | locking on the backend would essentially work such that only your first 20btc of bids would go through | [01:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1464 @ 0.00064716 = 0.9474 BTC [-] | [01:09] |
Ukto | i look, and see hey, if i sell 500 share sof each asset, i should get X | [01:09] |
Ukto | i start with asset A | [01:10] |
Ukto | i goto asset B | [01:10] |
Ukto | and now low and behold | [01:10] |
Ukto | the books are dramatically changed | [01:10] |
burnside | some bids have vanished, yes. | [01:10] |
Ukto | and now I cant get what I expected | [01:10] |
Ukto | because it wasnt actually there | [01:10] |
Ukto | you could play games | [01:10] |
Ukto | and say its no diff than a bot auto moving orders | [01:10] |
Ukto | but there is a level of expectancy | [01:10] |
Ukto | so that is my opinion | [01:10] |
Ukto | that is it a lie. | [01:11] |
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burnside | that's always the case though, on a larger exchange the books are always changing. | [01:11] |
Ukto | as a trader, I like to know that the books are there | [01:11] |
burnside | it's accurate as of when you load the book | [01:11] |
Ukto | and that my own actions are not damanging other possible actions | [01:11] |
Namworld | yeah. Orderbook is true only for the asset you're currently looking at... I don't see the problem with bids on other assets disappearing upon filling that orderbook | [01:11] |
Ukto | Namworld: that is true. | [01:11] |
Ukto | thus it is my opinion | [01:11] |
Namworld | It only prevents evaluating all orderbooks at once | [01:12] |
Ukto | and how I feel about it. :) | [01:12] |
Ukto | and that is yours | [01:12] |
Ukto | Yup | [01:12] |
Namworld | but evaluating one individually will always show an accurate orderbook and that's all I care about. | [01:12] |
burnside | we don't make any claims anywhere for "XX in bids are up across the whole exchange RIGHT NOW" | [01:12] |
Ukto | I think, also to some degree, it misrepresents market size as well | [01:12] |
pigeons | i just spent 2 btc on btc-bond to learn how this works | [01:12] |
burnside | heh, thanks pigeons, we need the volume! | [01:13] |
Namworld | It works by giving you 0.0006 BTC daily | [01:13] |
burnside | errr, assbot has been pretty quiet tho | [01:13] |
Ukto | :) | [01:13] |
Namworld | on 2 BTC | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.0006543 = 6.4776 BTC [+] | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065561 = 2.8329 BTC [+] | [01:13] |
Ukto | So in the end, I told the truth, that you can set bids on a per asset basis, right? | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 928 @ 0.00065567 = 0.6085 BTC [+] | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00065602 = 4.274 BTC [+] | [01:13] |
Namworld | yes | [01:14] |
burnside | no, you lied. you stated unequivocally that you could place 100 btc bids on all assets, withdraw 100 btc, and all your bids would remain. | [01:14] |
Namworld | whut? O.o | [01:14] |
Ukto | and I put in my reubutle it was based on what I could see | [01:14] |
Ukto | and what your system showed | [01:14] |
Ukto | which you stated was accurate | [01:14] |
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burnside | ALL bids are backed. | [01:15] |
burnside | as of the time you load the book | [01:15] |
Ukto | on a per asset basis | [01:15] |
Ukto | when looking at the overall market page | [01:16] |
Ukto | its incorrect then | [01:16] |
Ukto | When you withdraw or transfer it cancels your orders you can no longer afford. Plain. Simple. Effective. I even have a display on the withdrawal page clearly showing the maximum you can withdraw without orders getting canceled -- AND, this behavior has been discussed to death in the btct/litecoinglobal threads. | [01:16] |
burnside | I don't say anything about bid depth or order depth on the market. | [01:16] |
Ukto | Clearly, plain and simple.. wow... that must be the cause of the problem right there. | [01:16] |
Ukto | I have 35.5 btc in my account, I have a 35btc order up for a security right now. | [01:16] |
Ukto | The withdraw page clearly, plainly, and simply says I have 35.5btc available to withdraw. No further details. | [01:16] |
Ukto | you state current bid price | [01:17] |
Ukto | which if one of those is touched, could drasticlly change others | [01:17] |
Ukto | but | [01:17] |
Ukto | thats not here nor there | [01:17] |
Ukto | as has been said | [01:17] |
Ukto | we all have our diff opinions on it | [01:17] |
burnside | "No further details" is another piece of FUD. right below the max withdraw: "On the Order Book: YY BTC (not on the order book: XX-YY BTC)" | [01:17] |
Ukto | the word max is not on my page | [01:17] |
TradeFortress | withdrawing is just like automated cancellations | [01:18] |
burnside | The withdrawal page => https://btct.co/transfers | [01:19] |
burnside | We only have one... | [01:19] |
Ukto | https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ruh8ax2w9vwgdj/withdraw.png | [01:19] |
Ukto | nothing about a max | [01:19] |
Ukto | it just give sme a balance | [01:19] |
burnside | lol | [01:20] |
burnside | you have to set a withdrawal address before withdrawal is even available... | [01:20] |
Ukto | nothing about order cancelation | [01:20] |
Ukto | etc | [01:20] |
Ukto | it doesnt say its not available | [01:20] |
Ukto | sorry if the site is confusing | [01:20] |
burnside | obviously any withdrawal is unavailable until you set an address, it says it in plain english... | [01:21] |
Ukto | sure | [01:21] |
burnside | "Withdrawal becomes available once you have set your withdrawal address" | [01:21] |
Ukto | Yup | [01:21] |
Ukto | glad it will be an option | [01:21] |
Ukto | i'll take my 35btc. ;) | [01:22] |
Ukto | when I am ready | [01:22] |
Ukto | as i said, I was talking | [01:22] |
Ukto | pure chat | [01:22] |
Ukto | in here | [01:22] |
Ukto | with a couple people | [01:22] |
Ukto | if it was someone else | [01:22] |
Ukto | would you have taken it to the forums | [01:22] |
Ukto | and called them a liar? | [01:22] |
Ukto | for making a simple mistake? | [01:22] |
Ukto | because there is no documentation anywhere on yoru site | [01:22] |
Ukto | on what happens | [01:23] |
Ukto | and how it happens | [01:23] |
Ukto | no | [01:23] |
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Ukto | you are picking on me specifically | [01:23] |
Ukto | to lower my credibility. | [01:23] |
Ukto | so just stop. k? :) | [01:23] |
burnside | I'll be honest, I hold you to a higher standard. There was no simple mistake. What you stated was not true and you stated it clearly, intentionally, and in a way that damages the company. | [01:23] |
Ukto | hmm | [01:23] |
Ukto | soudns liek things you have done on teh forums | [01:23] |
Ukto | guess were both the same. :) | [01:24] |
Ukto | except I was just talking with a few friends | [01:24] |
Ukto | in an irc channel | [01:24] |
Ukto | where you have gone out of your way to make false assertions | [01:24] |
Ukto | in public view | [01:24] |
burnside | that may be, but I don't think so. I haven't made anything up about BitFunder and stated it as fact. | [01:24] |
Ukto | sigh | [01:24] |
Ukto | then you really dont realize when you make false assertions ? | [01:25] |
Ukto | this is really a matter of not thinking things through ? | [01:25] |
Ukto | or cecking facts before making statements? | [01:25] |
Ukto | Apparently that was me when just talking on irc | [01:26] |
Ukto | as I clicked through things | [01:26] |
Ukto | trying to udnerstand something that was not documented | [01:26] |
burnside | I've made lots of mistakes, mostly in terms of getting sucked into petty bickering. | [01:26] |
Ukto | but your the one who continues it | [01:26] |
Ukto | and starts it | [01:26] |
Ukto | and the puts it out for EVERYONE to see | [01:26] |
burnside | I think we've come full circle: [15:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00064716 = 1.8489 BTC [-] | [01:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293 @ 0.00064693 = 0.1896 BTC [-] | [01:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00064434 = 5.5735 BTC [-] | [01:28] |
Ukto | Alright, so from now on when I ask any questions about your site which does some very unconvential things w/o any supportive documentation, i will create a new irc user | [01:28] |
Ukto | so you dont have to hold it to your high standards | [01:28] |
Ukto | and expectancy to be able to read your mind | [01:28] |
Namworld | Ukto, put a withdrawal address and check the form that appears... | [01:28] |
Ukto | and do everything you expect them to do | [01:28] |
burnside | Heh, how very upright of you. | [01:28] |
Ukto | Namworld: yes, i see that now | [01:28] |
Namworld | and take a screenshot again... | [01:28] |
Ukto | Namworld: as I said, I was just ahving a discussion here on irc | [01:28] |
Ukto | if you for example or someone else had said | [01:28] |
Ukto | "hey, actually it should cancel" | [01:29] |
Ukto | "should show a max withdraw" | [01:29] |
Ukto | or something | [01:29] |
Ukto | i would have said "oh, let me check" | [01:29] |
Ukto | just like when you answered my question about outstanding shares | [01:29] |
burnside | this is a public chan, just as public as the forums. if you want the privacy (and to spread the FUD privately) you can pm anyone you want about it. | [01:29] |
Ukto | and how it worked | [01:29] |
Ukto | burnside: you should post a live irc log on btct | [01:29] |
Ukto | :) | [01:30] |
Ukto | i will get you a list of all bitcoin related channels | [01:30] |
Ukto | so you can monitor them all | [01:30] |
Ukto | and even the ones on all the other networks | [01:30] |
Ukto | so you can critisize any and all users | [01:30] |
Ukto | that make a simple misudnerstanding of your site | [01:30] |
Ukto | you admitted it yourself, youy hold me in higher regards and expectancies | [01:31] |
Ukto | but I am no different then another btct user | [01:31] |
Ukto | i look for the same documentation to yoru custom stuff | [01:31] |
Ukto | i use the same interface | [01:31] |
Ukto | i get confused just as easily as others would | [01:31] |
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Ukto | as Namworld said, he had to spend nearly $40 to understnad your system | [01:31] |
burnside | There's no confusion in stating as fact something that is not true, nor possible. | [01:31] |
Ukto | and how it worked | [01:31] |
Ukto | i dont know whats possible | [01:32] |
Ukto | where is it in the faq? | [01:32] |
Ukto | as I said | [01:32] |
Ukto | i put in the post | [01:32] |
Ukto | I should have wrote "could" | [01:32] |
Ukto | instead of "can" | [01:32] |
Ukto | your nitpicking | [01:32] |
Ukto | and over dramatizing something | [01:32] |
Ukto | you wanna defend yourself, then defend yourself to the people that i outright lied to | [01:33] |
Ukto | you dont have to go "WOH IS ME" to the whole world | [01:33] |
Ukto | and seek attention | [01:33] |
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Namworld | [18:31] |
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Namworld | I never said that O.o | [01:35] |
burnside | I'd rather not end up with all this attention. But I can't leave other users confused based on posts of a competing exchange operator. You of all people should be able to wrap your brain around that. | [01:35] |
burnside | I think it was pigeons that said that he'd spent 2 BTC making trades to test Ukto's statements. | [01:36] |
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Ukto | ah | [01:38] |
Ukto | might have been, will scroll back up | [01:38] |
Ukto | Namworld: sorry if i misread that :) | [01:38] |
Ukto | yeah, it was. [17:14]
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dub | this just in, IRC is srs bzns | [02:04] |
error4733 | hey, totally off topic, a friend made some wallet with old audio tape, i found this awesome, so i share ;) | [02:07] |
error4733 | http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/moq5ne52uqq4505whye4bycvb7oolwt8 | [02:08] |
dub | looks like two iphone cases stuck together | [02:11] |
dub | pretty cool though | [02:12] |
Ukto | actually | [02:15] |
Ukto | thts pretty neat | [02:15] |
Ukto | very retro | [02:15] |
Ukto | I bet they would sell like hotcakes | [02:15] |
Ukto | wonder if hw would consider marketing em? :) | [02:15] |
Ukto | i think teens would like em | [02:16] |
Ukto | mid/late teens, mebbe early 20s | [02:16] |
dub | I think you mean 'hipsters' | [02:16] |
Ukto | yeah hehe | [02:16] |
Ukto | esp. if you can "build your own" selecinting diff tapes, colors etc on the site | [02:16] |
kakobrekla | the result of that would be a bunch of ugly wallets | [02:17] |
kakobrekla | better to stick with the plan | [02:17] |
Ukto | lol | [02:17] |
duketogo | the tapes will all have to be bands that "nobody has heard about" | [02:17] |
Ukto | duketogo: you think so? :/ | [02:18] |
Ukto | I figured if they actually bought the tapes and had receipts | [02:18] |
Ukto | and just destroyed them it was fair game | [02:18] |
Ukto | rather than making fake dupes | [02:18] |
dub | you can buy tapes? | [02:18] |
Ukto | sure, ebay | [02:18] |
Ukto | can buy in bulk | [02:18] |
kakobrekla | resell the case to one party and the music rights to another | [02:18] |
Ukto | kakobrekla: not sure end users can just split the rights like that tho :/ | [02:19] |
kakobrekla | is not split | [02:19] |
dub | I thought duketogo was talking about the hipsters desire to be original by listening to obscure shit | [02:19] |
error4733 | maybe put the music in a usb stick and you sell with the wallet | [02:20] |
error4733 | if its a specific band | [02:20] |
duketogo | aye, the hipster will not want to be seen with a tape wallet featuring a band that had any kind of commercial success ;) | [02:20] |
dub | preferrably put a small amount of explosives in there instead of a usb stick to incinerate the hipster | [02:21] |
error4733 | and yes obv he want marketing em but the prob is the production | [02:21] |
error4733 | he made this one by one | [02:21] |
dub | the other problem of course is what a hipster needs a wallet for? | [02:21] |
error4733 | put some paper wallet inside ? | [02:22] |
dub | money? mom buys everythign | [02:22] |
error4733 | i got one but i'm not a fking hipsters | [02:22] |
kakobrekla | i got one too, if we are talking about moms. | [02:23] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139763.0 | [02:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064455 = 2.7851 BTC [+] | [02:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00064434 = 2.3061 BTC [-] | [02:25] |
kakobrekla | fuckin genious. | [02:25] |
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kakobrekla | >>its also a good game choice I think as its not totally trivial to create a bot for it. | [02:26] |
kakobrekla | well we shall see about that soon | [02:26] |
dub | hehe Challenge Accepted | [02:27] |
Namworld | fuck... can someone make me an uber competent bot? | [02:28] |
Namworld | =P | [02:28] |
kakobrekla | like one that makes you breakfast and gives head? | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/how-to-hedge-as-a-miner/ | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | everyone that comprehends mining plz to read and comment | [02:29] |
dub | 13w/gh! | [02:30] |
dub | yes plox | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | what, bfl does 1 w/gh :D | [02:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0073845 = 3.6923 BTC [-] | [02:47] |
smickles | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17j3y2/how_to_hedge_as_a_miner/ | [02:48] |
smickles | :P | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | eee | [02:48] |
kakobrekla | they wont get it. | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | ;/ | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | not even with drawrinks!? | [02:49] |
kakobrekla | lets be suprised | [02:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00064667 = 2.0693 BTC [+] | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | well wtf am i to do. | [02:50] |
kakobrekla | bet on it. | [02:50] |
smickles | kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/17j454/how_to_hedge_as_a_miner_xpost/ | [02:50] |
smickles | :P | [02:51] |
kakobrekla | dunno. | [02:51] |
kakobrekla | anyone got anything good to watch for reccomendation | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | danke smickles | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla try all about eve | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/category/trilematograf/ or just go through that list | [02:53] |
kakobrekla | 140min | [02:53] |
kakobrekla | really worth it? | [02:53] |
smickles | tinkerlinks, ftw | [02:53] |
smickles | srsly | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla welll... i dunno really what you like | [02:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064461 = 2.7854 BTC [-] | [02:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5271 @ 0.00064434 = 3.3963 BTC [-] | [02:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00064374 = 4.4418 BTC [-] | [02:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00063666 = 1.1778 BTC [-] | [02:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12058 @ 0.00063598 = 7.6686 BTC [-] | [02:54] |
kakobrekla | dunno borrig stuff i think. | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | bah i stay up to write docs for miners, ppl sell mpoe. THIS IS THE THANKS I GET! | [02:54] |
smickles | don't look at me, i just leveraged long | [02:55] |
assbot | I cooked, I cleaned, and I sewed, and I have a right to get-- | [02:55] |
smickles | is this a fill in the blank? | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | ducked ? | [02:56] |
smickles | crunk? | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | pluived ? | [02:57] |
kakobrekla | no | [02:57] |
smickles | refactored? | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | [02:58] | |
mircea_popescu | loller. | [02:58] |
smickles | oh no | [02:59] |
kakobrekla | smickles the answer is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zgXnSKgopY | [03:00] |
smickles | i might be shadow-banned on reddit? | [03:00] |
smickles | kakobrekla: linked to blocked content? | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | smickles i saw your link earlier | [03:00] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: that's just it, direct links work, but check the /r/bitcoin page or the /r/bitcoin/new | [03:01] |
smickles | not there | [03:01] |
kakobrekla | i guess you could replace -- with 'shit'. | [03:01] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/new?sort=new | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | or here | [03:02] |
kakobrekla | smickles huh? | [03:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00732036 = 12.4446 BTC [-] | [03:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.007395 = 1.1093 BTC [+] | [03:04] |
dub | might be blocked in 'murica, cuts a little close to home | [03:05] |
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kakobrekla | too bad | [03:05] |
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mircea_popescu | im off. take it ezzy all | [03:08] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [10:14] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades | [10:14] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 | [10:14] |
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JohnGalt | !s.dice | [10:17] |
JohnGalt | !ticker s.dice | [10:17] |
assbot | It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry. | [10:17] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.dice | [10:18] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00711564 / 0.00735027 / 0.007395 (85447 shares, 628.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00547144 / 0.0075 (1181450 shares, 6,464.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00440993 / 0.0075 (9302204 shares, 41,022.10 BTC) | [10:18] |
Bowjob | I find it a bit strange that mpex dice shares haven't lost value while Havelock's are a bit down | [10:18] |
mircea_popescu | Bowjob yest they were trading .8 | [10:19] |
Bowjob | Yeah | [10:19] |
mircea_popescu | well... and the guy came by and bought more s.dice | [10:19] |
Bowjob | I'd imagine with dice shares would plummet now that the whale got 9k in 1 day. | [10:19] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [10:20] |
Bowjob | The profits are down? | [10:20] |
Bowjob | Well, im still figuring out if dice is up or down, looks like the whale is still playing | [10:20] |
mircea_popescu | listen, most people with that sort of nonsense outlook aren't on mpex | [10:20] |
mircea_popescu | they can't afford the fee. | [10:20] |
Bowjob | right | [10:21] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker h sdice | [10:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.69500000 / 0.7513125 / 0.78000000 (80 shares, 60.10499969 BTC), 7D: 0.44000000 / 0.64762229 / 0.81000000 (1311 shares, 849.03282861 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.51008583 / 0.81000000 (5482 shares, 2796.29051793 BTC) | [10:22] |
mircea_popescu | was up cause of lack of asks, prolly relaxed a little once owner bought a little more s.dice and put it on offer | [10:23] |
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maximian | bowjob: s.dice is practically brand new and is just getting going - its big earning days are still ahead of us. Variances like a 9k loss to a whale are meaningless if you're in for the long term. | [10:24] |
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mircea_popescu | actually i imagine the largest single factor affecting price is people's judgement of how likely a sale to a large player is. | [10:26] |
maximian | I do anticipate that - it makes sense | [10:27] |
mircea_popescu | stuff like the recent online casinos opening btc to the us is prolly more pressure than whether someone makles or loses 10k | [10:27] |
mircea_popescu | course, this is all speculation about what people may be speculating about lol. | [10:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00065466 = 7.1031 BTC [-] | [10:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064931 = 2.8057 BTC [-] | [10:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.00064918 = 0.0428 BTC [-] | [10:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0006485 = 8.9493 BTC [-] | [10:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006456 = 2.7896 BTC [-] | [10:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00064528 = 7.2271 BTC [-] | [10:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1735 @ 0.00064423 = 1.1177 BTC [-] | [10:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064457 = 2.7852 BTC [+] | [11:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3725 @ 0.00064423 = 2.3998 BTC [-] | [11:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00064423 = 9.3413 BTC [-] | [11:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3540 @ 0.00064423 = 2.2806 BTC [-] | [11:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6597 @ 0.00064187 = 4.2344 BTC [-] | [11:40] |
mircea_popescu | Graet would you be so kind to link this somewhere http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/how-to-hedge-as-a-miner/ ? | [11:40] |
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Graet | i'll read it laterm kids dinner time mircea_popescu | [11:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00064187 = 2.8242 BTC [-] | [11:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 712 @ 0.00734477 = 5.2295 BTC [+] | [12:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24 @ 0.00064187 = 0.0154 BTC [-] | [12:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3036 @ 0.00064169 = 1.9482 BTC [-] | [12:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064744 = 2.7976 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9163 @ 0.00064755 = 5.9335 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11516 @ 0.00064855 = 7.4687 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006483 = 2.8013 BTC [-] | [12:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 934 @ 0.00064855 = 0.6057 BTC [+] | [12:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10645 @ 0.00065454 = 6.9676 BTC [+] | [12:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00730215 = 3.286 BTC [-] | [12:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064199 = 2.774 BTC [-] | [12:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11879 @ 0.00064169 = 7.6226 BTC [-] | [12:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00064636 = 0.614 BTC [+] | [13:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00064199 = 2.4717 BTC [-] | [13:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065438 = 2.8276 BTC [+] | [13:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00065454 = 7.5135 BTC [+] | [13:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006543 = 2.8272 BTC [-] | [13:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.00065454 = 9.9353 BTC [+] | [13:35] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139649.0 | [13:45] |
kakobrekla | http://glados.cc/gold/ | [13:45] |
kakobrekla | legit | [13:45] |
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jurov | hi mircea_popescu, got a question about x.idiffs | [13:47] |
jurov | how do i know how much is the cover? | [13:47] |
jurov | when i buy some and difficulty rises, when they'll go *poof*? | [13:48] |
kakobrekla | i showed that xdiff thingie to a guy with ~300ghash | [13:49] |
kakobrekla | said he dont like insurances. | [13:49] |
jurov | nobody likes it, cause of above uncertainty | [13:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2000 @ 0.0075 = 15 BTC [+] | [13:50] |
jurov | practically every time you do MKFUT, collateral changes, not even saying anything about next quarters | [13:50] |
jurov | and buyers don't know what to expect, let's have practical example | [13:51] |
jurov | i have sold 20x x.idiff.mar to bugpowder fellow for 1.7711 BTC | [13:51] |
jurov | but the cover is actually less, am searching how much it was | [13:53] |
jurov | (if i inderstand idiffs correctly) | [13:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.00065454 = 1.8019 BTC [+] | [13:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00065471 = 5.9605 BTC [+] | [13:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00066438 = 7.4211 BTC [+] | [13:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00066563 = 4.6261 BTC [+] | [13:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211 @ 0.00066576 = 0.1405 BTC [+] | [13:54] |
jurov | hmm, stat says IMMCover is 1.95470556 so it's a bit more... but still we don't know how much cover others provided | [13:57] |
jurov | would you buy future for 1.7BTC that's covered only up to 1.95 ? i doubt | [13:58] |
jurov | poor bugpowder, first that s.dice blunder, then this :DDD | [14:01] |
jurov | [14:04] | |
kakobrekla | ah is back online now | [14:05] |
kakobrekla | was just givin an error before | [14:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 471 @ 0.00064199 = 0.3024 BTC [-] | [14:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4585 @ 0.00064169 = 2.9421 BTC [-] | [14:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00064149 = 3.5923 BTC [-] | [14:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00064143 = 3.7485 BTC [-] | [14:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6120002 = 6.12 BTC [-] | [14:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.612 = 6.12 BTC [-] | [14:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.611 = 2.444 BTC [-] | [14:40] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139931.0 | [14:41] |
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gesell | based on the S.DICE betcount total on Jan 1 and current count I'm seeing a %14 increase in dividends. It's a simplistic calculation. Match what everyone else thinks or does someone have something more sound? | [14:50] |
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malaimo | if you have a look at the statistical analysis thread over at bitcointalk.org you can see that yesterday was a very bad day for s.dice | [14:55] |
gesell | ahh thanks | [14:56] |
malaimo | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.780 | [14:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5611 = 1.1222 BTC [-] | [14:59] |
malaimo | but I guess if you consider regression to the mean satoshidice will be fine... | [14:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1945 @ 0.00734477 = 14.2856 BTC [+] | [15:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00064685 = 6.9213 BTC [+] | [15:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064175 = 2.773 BTC [-] | [15:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00064143 = 2.2957 BTC [-] | [15:10] |
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markedathome | clearly, dooglus is trying to out mircea_popescu as the mystery player, why else can I get "MPEX pay SDICE with SMPOE" out of the addresses listed in #782 | [15:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066275 = 2.8637 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00066278 = 6.0644 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006635 = 2.867 BTC [+] | [15:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15479 @ 0.00066381 = 10.2751 BTC [+] | [15:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.00066287 = 1.8613 BTC [-] | [15:42] |
jurov | no, he's buying twelve pound solid bricks of crystal meth | [15:44] |
jurov | (see second recent trilema article) | [15:44] |
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DeadWeasel | i'm pretty sure he's transporting them as 12" crystal meth dildos to get past customs. | [15:48] |
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jurov | If nobody is to be routinely told exactly what a worthless, pointless accidental and undesired item they are then certainly nobody’s to be told they’re welcome to dream into one palm, piss in the other and see which feels warmer to the touch. | [15:52] |
jurov | and he calls someone snide. yeah. | [15:52] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+] | [16:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 11 @ 0.0091 = 0.1001 BTC [+] | [16:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2279 @ 0.00066381 = 1.5128 BTC [+] | [16:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14849 @ 0.00066576 = 9.8859 BTC [+] | [16:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1722 @ 0.00066577 = 1.1465 BTC [+] | [16:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00066577 = 3.9946 BTC [+] | [16:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00066577 = 5.2596 BTC [+] | [16:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1513 @ 0.00066287 = 1.0029 BTC [-] | [16:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16737 @ 0.00066282 = 11.0936 BTC [-] | [16:28] |
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thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [16:51] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.45001, Best ask: 19.52026, Bid-ask spread: 0.07025, Last trade: 19.42100, 24 hour volume: 53313.83367467, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.80000, 24 hour vwap: 19.35731 | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;asks 29 | [16:51] |
gribble | There are currently 35300.69 bitcoins offered at or under 29.0 USD, worth 746476.392038 USD in total. | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;asks 29 | [16:51] |
gribble | There are currently 35300.69 bitcoins offered at or under 29.0 USD, worth 746476.392038 USD in total. | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;asks 20 | [16:51] |
gribble | There are currently 17178.888 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 340747.595972 USD in total. | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;bids 19 | [16:52] |
gribble | There are currently 4392.8697 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 84249.722342 USD in total. | [16:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00066282 = 6.827 BTC [-] | [17:03] |
jurov | ;;bc,24 | [17:06] |
gribble | Error: "bc,24" is not a valid command. | [17:06] |
jurov | ;;bc,24hprc | [17:06] |
gribble | 19.28 | [17:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00066328 = 3.9134 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066542 = 2.8753 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12679 @ 0.00066577 = 8.4413 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2223 @ 0.00730522 = 16.2395 BTC [-] | [17:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00734477 = 4.0396 BTC [+] | [17:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00066577 = 5.6923 BTC [+] | [17:40] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [+] | [17:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149 @ 0.00066577 = 0.0992 BTC [+] | [17:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11651 @ 0.00066664 = 7.767 BTC [+] | [17:59] |
Bugpowder | 19.60 taken out | [18:02] |
Bugpowder | knock 3 times and the door to $20 opens? | [18:03] |
jurov | yeah, rally right after i sold some...but i can't wait longer | [18:08] |
jurov | oh Bugpowder you weren;t around when i discussed the mpex idiffs ? | [18:08] |
Bugpowder | no shame in selling at $19 | [18:08] |
Bugpowder | don't think so | [18:09] |
Bugpowder | I have sold some | [18:09] |
Bugpowder | idiffs | [18:09] |
Bugpowder | deposit req is harsh | [18:09] |
jurov | so, unless mircea corrects me, it comes out they are covered only up to 2.9x current difficulty | [18:09] |
jurov | so these i made only up to 9 M | [18:10] |
Bugpowder | yeah | [18:10] |
Bugpowder | i sold the same ones | [18:10] |
Bugpowder | but before the last expiry | [18:10] |
Bugpowder | so mine got up to 27 | [18:11] |
jurov | so basically you bought futures for 1.7BTC that are covered only up to 1.95 | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | I've had a long discussion wiht mp about this | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | i didn't | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | I sold some | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | a month ago | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | the SAME ones | [18:11] |
jurov | okay. but overall i'm correct? | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | but mine go up to 27 | [18:11] |
Bugpowder | and when the 9 threshold is hit, the expiry is spread across both sets of sold futures | [18:12] |
jurov | but the cover averages over all idiff shares, no? | [18:12] |
Bugpowder | yeah | [18:12] |
jurov | so i diluted it in fact | [18:12] |
Bugpowder | yes thank you | [18:12] |
Bugpowder | my exposure is reduced now | [18:12] |
Bugpowder | there is no way to know | [18:12] |
Bugpowder | what the actual distribution of 27 and 9s is | [18:13] |
jurov | yes, there is no way to know what the cover is. well, i got an idea how to fix it | [18:13] |
Bugpowder | great | [18:13] |
jurov | CoinBr.IDiff will come to bitfunder soon ;D | [18:13] |
Bugpowder | cool | [18:13] |
Bugpowder | idiff is useful | [18:13] |
Bugpowder | but needs some refinement | [18:13] |
Bugpowder | and liquidity | [18:14] |
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Bugpowder | hmmm maybe I will make some | [18:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066302 = 2.8649 BTC [-] | [18:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7146 @ 0.00066282 = 4.7365 BTC [-] | [18:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 242 @ 0.00734477 = 1.7774 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3001 = 2.4008 BTC [-] | [18:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.3001 = 1.5005 BTC [-] | [18:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.3 = 2.1 BTC [-] | [18:19] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0238 = 0.0952 BTC [-] | [18:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 12 @ 0.0237 = 0.2844 BTC [-] | [18:25] |
Bugpowder | I made some idiffs! | [18:27] |
Bugpowder | buy buy buy! | [18:27] |
Bugpowder | priced to MOVE | [18:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066642 = 2.8796 BTC [+] | [18:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066657 = 1.9857 BTC [+] | [18:33] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6576 @ 0.00066657 = 4.3834 BTC [+] | [18:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734477 = 2.2034 BTC [+] | [18:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+] | [18:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 10 @ 0.21604376 = 2.1604 BTC [+] | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | ahhh how goes it boys an' girls ? | [18:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+] | [18:55] |
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jurov | hi mircea | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | heya | [19:03] |
jurov | i'm going to improve idiff futures ;) | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | o ? | [19:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00734477 = 2.2034 BTC [+] | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | markedathome I seriously have played a grand total of maybe 3 btc on s.dice. | [19:16] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [19:16] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.42769, Best ask: 19.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12230, Last trade: 19.42769, 24 hour volume: 50009.52094866, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.63999, 24 hour vwap: 19.35837 | [19:16] |
thestringpuller | ;;asks 20 | [19:16] |
gribble | There are currently 14954.611 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 297782.475441 USD in total. | [19:16] |
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markedathome | mircea_popescu: i just thought it was funny that I could get those words out of the way the addresses were arranged. | [19:17] |
thestringpuller | ;;bids | [19:17] |
gribble | (bids [--under]
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[19:17] |
thestringpuller | ;;bids 19 | [19:17] |
gribble | There are currently 5527.276 bitcoins demanded at or over 19.0 USD, worth 105766.29329 USD in total. | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | markedathome i guess by now pretty much everything's somewhat connected to mpex | [19:18] |
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markedathome | doesn't really matter, you could make any sequence of chars out of something if you look hard enough. took me a while to get smpoe | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | o o i see lol | [19:19] |
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mircea_popescu | there's this kaballah thing where they look for the nth letters sort of thing | [19:20] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov the collateral is 2.9x the current diff per set, so march are currently about .1 ad june about .3 | [19:20] |
jurov | yes, but the buyer doesn't know where it is exactly. especially if previous quarters are mixed in | [19:21] |
mircea_popescu | buyer knows it's not going to be less than 2.9x whatever quarter he buys in | [19:22] |
jurov | it can be anywhere from (lowest difficulty in this quarter)*2.9 and more | [19:22] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but not less. | [19:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00734477 = 2.9379 BTC [+] | [19:22] |
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mircea_popescu | sooo... what else is new ? | [19:27] |
jurov | we'll see how it goes after we open it. just that i think that buying future at 0.075 , while expected cover may be 0.0095 or maybe more isn't so attractive | [19:28] |
jurov | *0.095 | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | why do you have to buy it at .075 ? | [19:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00731818 = 3.6591 BTC [-] | [19:29] |
jurov | it's lowest price offered to date. and seems nobody will sell it for less. | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | well sure but best bid is like 4mn | [19:30] |
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jurov | where? | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | for mar. | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | and for that matter i dunno if i'd buy at 7.5mn. what, diff doubles in the next six weeks ? | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | i dun see it. | [19:32] |
jurov | well, remains to be seen if it actually trades at such price | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | i think like 20 sold or something, but that's really nothing. | [19:34] |
jurov | yes, i experimentally sold 20 at 0.89 | [19:34] |
jurov | *0.089 | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | i'd imagine at a bare minimum there should be 50% coverage which would put the volume in the 100k range per month or somrthing | [19:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31595 @ 0.00066657 = 21.0603 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5899 @ 0.00066664 = 3.9325 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 370 @ 0.00066731 = 0.2469 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00066849 = 2.1392 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2874 @ 0.00066915 = 1.9231 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [19:43] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.46042, Best ask: 19.60448, Bid-ask spread: 0.14406, Last trade: 19.46042, 24 hour volume: 49860.53894881, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.63999, 24 hour vwap: 19.35926 | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | so what's new, anyway ? | [19:43] |
jurov | zimbabwe has $247 in bank... wanna buy? | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | buy what, the country ? | [19:45] |
jurov | yes | [19:45] |
mircea_popescu | nah, too much hassle. | [19:45] |
jurov | they should kick mugabe and move to bitcoin | [19:47] |
jurov | and list on mpex, if you allow them lol | [19:47] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066493 = 2.8732 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22185 @ 0.00066467 = 14.7457 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1707 @ 0.00066282 = 1.1314 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15537 @ 0.00066045 = 10.2614 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00065833 = 1.5471 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | lol, REAL PRECIOUS JEEM | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | the thing is, they're not smart enough to do any of tham. | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | that* | [19:48] |
DeadWeasel | can't run a country on volatility like this. maybe later. | [19:49] |
DeadWeasel | when I can afford my own atoll in the south pacific, i'll run my country on BTC. | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | DeadWeasel btc is not particularly volatile for that purpose. | [19:50] |
jurov | would be infinitely better than their current $ | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | most national currencies are worse than btc in that perspective. | [19:51] |
DeadWeasel | true, they can't even control it as is. | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, when it crapped out it only dropped 90% | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | do you think the greek drachma would have ONLY dropped 90% recently ? | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, once things blow over do you suppose the usd will only drop 90% ? | [19:52] |
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Bugpowder | 19.6999 | [19:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00734477 = 1.469 BTC [+] | [20:11] |
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smickles | ;;ticker | [20:20] |
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mircea_popescu | why do women fuck better when they have real high heels on ? | [20:24] |
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mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg1490001#msg1490001 this totally can't be happening. | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | burnside_afk are you like, paying him to troll me ? | [20:37] |
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smickles | mircea_popescu: if women fuck better in highheels, I'm willing to bet that it's just a (possibly localized) social phenomenon | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | how much ? | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | Keefe hey, you around ? | [21:01] |
jcpham | my data doesn't support that hypothesis | [21:01] |
jcpham | about the high heels | [21:01] |
smickles | 10 btc, It's probably just a coincidence that it's high heels, could've been converse allstars | [21:02] |
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mircea_popescu | smickles how do we check it ?! | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham hum. pics ? | [21:02] |
smickles | we could probably setup a double blind crossover trial | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | smickles well if we just kidnap test subjects off the street its unethical and if i let you bring your own you'll cheat. | [21:03] |
smickles | that's why it needs to be double blind | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | how can you fuck double blind ?! | [21:03] |
smickles | you hire impartial subject, and impartial observers | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | if you hire them they're no longer representative. | [21:03] |
smickles | how do human trials of drugs find subjects? | [21:04] |
smickles | don't they hire people? | [21:04] |
smickles | or, you're saying that only sexworkers would apply? | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | ya but drug stuff objectively interacts with the subjects | [21:05] |
kakobrekla | seems to me usagi has an answer to everything always just before he quits. | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | im saying that whoever will apply fails to represent the entire set adequately | [21:05] |
smickles | that's were statistics come in | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla haven't seen him/her in a while... | [21:05] |
smickles | you'd have to have a large enough set of subjects | [21:05] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu he was just here | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | smickles i doubt statistics can help, because the sample is selected | [21:05] |
smickles | and make sure they don't know whats being tested | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | smickles you're gonna hire people to fuck without telling them ? | [21:06] |
smickles | naw, they know generally what they are going to do | [21:06] |
midnightmagic | dub: What's confusing about combining monies to obscure their sources and screw up crappy "taint" analyses? | [21:06] |
midnightmagic | IMO, it is ethical to point out, publically, serious flaws in the way information is presented to the public. | [21:06] |
smickles | but neither the observers or the subjects know what we're trying to test | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | smickles then they're only representing that subsection of the population who'll generally do that. | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic what's this all about ? | [21:07] |
kakobrekla | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/zimbabwe-down-its-last-217/61562/ | [21:07] |
mircea_popescu | poor them | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | Zimbabwe, the country that's home to some of the world's largest platinum and diamond reserves, literally has the same financial standing as a 14-year-old girl after a really good birthday party. | [21:08] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: then we could structure it in a way that we have people in situations where the might likely have sex without being prompted, it would make it larger, take longer and be more expensive | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno about the 14 yo girl. | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | smickles sounds like a plan. now we know what's with all the cctv | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | they're trying to measure this. | [21:09] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: A little while ago, dub was saying he doesn't understand gmaxwell's mixer thing. It's not really a mixer, it's guaranteed to be essentially impossible to disentangle those sorts of transactions due to the fungibility of bitcoin. | [21:09] |
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mircea_popescu | o, that thing where he's trying to create a trail showing himself to be rich ? | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | sounded singularly scammy to me, that. | [21:10] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: right. but it has other uses, too. | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. like, for instance, privately convincing some naive people with a lot of money that you matter. | [21:10] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: It is cryptographically secure; and, actually, gmaxwell is taking a bit of a risk doing it. | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | at any rate i wasn't impressed. | [21:10] |
midnightmagic | no, it's mocking two things: 1) rich-lists, 2) taint analyses. | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | send your btc to mpex, withdraw it, end of story. it's as anon as it will ever get. | [21:11] |
midnightmagic | That's not actually so. *you* know. | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | oh ? | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | how are you going to disentangle btc that went through the same address ? | [21:12] |
midnightmagic | We go to your house with a large lead pipe and start hitting you with it until you tell us. | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | tell you what ? | [21:12] |
midnightmagic | Figuratively of course; or apply legal pressure so it's not worth it to keep it secret. | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | listen | [21:13] |
midnightmagic | Which is kind of the same thing.. | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | i know nothing at all. you can create a gpg sig right now as 34jk5hty895ytg9g4t | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | register it | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | depost | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | withdraw. | [21:13] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: the trail is by txid, addresses are just incidental | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | what do i know ? that it's really 34jk5hty895ytg9g4t's btc ? | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | smickles what do you mean ? i dun follow. | [21:14] |
midnightmagic | hrm. maybe I've misapprehended how you operate MPEX. I've never logged in. | [21:14] |
midnightmagic | Do you really allow anonymous usage of mpex? | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | yeah well. yes. | [21:14] |
kakobrekla | there is no log in :) | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | it's in the faq -.0 | [21:15] |
midnightmagic | well, in that case, at the very least, there's a trust thing which can't be cryptographically avoided, unless you are doing multisig similar to what gmaxwell is. | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | sending to 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx and then withdrawing has the certain advantage that you're actually in a pool of 10's of k's of btc, | [21:16] |
midnightmagic | if I deposit 500,000 bitcoin to you, what happens if you decide to keep it? | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | which gmaxwell's thing will never ever get. | [21:16] |
midnightmagic | that would be an advantage of numbers. | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic deposit it over 500 transactions, what diff does it make to you ? | [21:16] |
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midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Presumably you could, if you wanted, just decide to keep it. | [21:16] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: I believe it's more accurate to say that control of coins goes from one txid to another, rather than one address to another. the fact that it's known which address is associated with wich txid at this time is incidental | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic you don't send the 5th 1k block till you got the 4th to your addy | [21:17] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: But it would be an advantage to join with all those people and withdraw, you are correct. | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | smickles ok, but what does that change ? | [21:17] |
smickles | pedantry | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic im just saying, if i were a scammer trying to part some fiat ivnestors from their money, i'd do the exact thing he's doing. | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | not meaning by this he is a scammer, i still think he's an idiot | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | but the idea isn't too bright. | [21:18] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: The mathematics of it makes it impossible. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | say what ?! | [21:18] |
midnightmagic | he couldn't steal the coins. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | not steal the coins. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | he just goes to buffett and proves to him that he owns address X | [21:18] |
midnightmagic | it's impossible, he doesn't have sole signing authority of a multisig. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | buffett has a dim understanding of taint and blockchain and doesn't read the forum | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | thus believes this guy actually has a billionty bitcoinz | [21:18] |
midnightmagic | how does he prove to buffett that he "owns" the address from which the money came from? he can't. | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | he just "proves" he's btc-rich by association. | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | that's the entire point of the exercise, right ? | [21:19] |
midnightmagic | no, he can't. | [21:20] |
midnightmagic | no, it's not. | [21:20] |
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mircea_popescu | ok, again from the top | [21:20] |
midnightmagic | He's wrecking identity collapse methods. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | maybe we're not talking of the same thing. | [21:20] |
midnightmagic | Okay, from the top. When someone tries to figure out a particular identity, they use the method as described in the identifying mechanisms presented at 28c3 in germany: transactions "prove" that the person who "owns" the inputs is the same person. | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [21:21] |
midnightmagic | This method can be used to collect a pile of individual txn and "collapse" all the addresses into one entity. | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [21:21] |
midnightmagic | They're different addresses though. So gmaxwell comes along and offers to join his own money into a multisig *transaction* which has an output of some other, new addresses. | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [21:22] |
midnightmagic | Now, the old methjod of collapsing identity fails. *but* individual addresses still remain the property of the original people. | [21:22] |
midnightmagic | and *actual coinage* never actually goes through gmaxwell's hands. | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [21:22] |
midnightmagic | there's no way of "proving" that the money is in an address that gmaxwell can use to spend. | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | but wait. | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | the entire process actually involves an address of gmaxwell into what'd be a single collapsed identity. | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [21:23] |
midnightmagic | so he couldn't go to buffett and prove he owns the coins without lying to him and claiming that "that one txn right there proves i could have controlled x money" because he can't forge the signature of the address from the bigspender. | [21:23] |
midnightmagic | no. | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [21:24] |
midnightmagic | well. lemme go read wtf he wrote. | [21:24] |
midnightmagic | because I've already done it with him a bunch of times, so lemme go check and see whether it's the same thing. | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | dude, it's simple. currently people think they can group addies into wallets | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | by means of collapsing txns | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | gmaxwell is trying to collect a number of addies in varying wallets into single such collapsed presumed wallets | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | to show that it doesn't work, he tells us. | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | but it may well be to show someone who doesn't read the forum that he has a huge wallet. | [21:25] |
midnightmagic | no, it doesn't pass through his addresses. | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | ok, let me formalise this. | [21:26] |
midnightmagic | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139581.msg1486430#msg1486430 | [21:26] |
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midnightmagic | What would need to happen would be that someone would have to take the word of a totally untrusted third-party who says, "well look here, this is all from the same person" | [21:27] |
midnightmagic | but this is the naive viewpoint, because identity collapsing could just be limited to txn which involve limited outputs. | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | There's addresses a1-an, b1-bn, ... x1-xn belonging to wallets A, B, ... X. Through tx collapse one can extract out of the blockchain what appear like wallets A', B', ... X'. These wallets will contain a number of addresses, which may or may not coincide with the proper a1-an set for A. In general it's safe to asume that A != A', but it may also be the case that A ~= A'. | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | this ok so far ? | [21:28] |
midnightmagic | At any rate, there's no way to prove to buffett that he specifically had *control* of the coins. | [21:28] |
midnightmagic | the spends go to completely unrelated addresses, which the end-user should be careful not to mix in terms of spending, with the input addresses. | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | well so ok or not ok! | [21:29] |
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midnightmagic | hrm. i'd have to think about it some more to agree with your statement. there's a large hand-wavey part wrapped up in the identity collapse. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | well yeah. but it yields somehow some sort of A' approximation | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | however wildly inaccurate. | [21:31] |
midnightmagic | Also, when you use ~=, do you mean "approximately equals"? | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | in the sense that [1, 9, b] approximately equals the set of prime numbers. | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | b isn't even a number and 9 isn't prime, but hey. | [21:31] |
smickles | pedantry/g 20 | [21:32] |
smickles | lol | [21:32] |
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smickles | ;;asks 20 | [21:32] |
gribble | There are currently 14208.378 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 283035.775173 USD in total. | [21:32] |
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midnightmagic | I interpret the ~= to mean that some addresses overlap or can be related to the addresses prior, but that's what I say can't be related unless the owner of the outputs of the transactions signs a non-multisig transaction that requires A' *and* A addresses together in a single-output txn, *and* we assume that people would automatically steal from one another if they could. | [21:33] |
dub | midnightmagic: I thought gmaxwell was generally against coin mixing, he railled aganst gpumax for that reason unless I am forgetful | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic what difference does all that make tho ? | [21:34] |
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midnightmagic | dub: Actually, he railed against gpumax because gpumax appeared to be a coin laundry that the participants were unaware of. (exchanging dirty for pristine at a premium.) | [21:34] |
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midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: It means that gmaxwell can't prove to buffett that he owns those coins; and that his purpose isn't to put on a tweed coat and a bowler's hat and smoke a pipe and say he's rich. | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | never mind that, don't jump ahead. | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | im trying to construct the logic of this here, stay with the step we're on | [21:35] |
dub | midnightmagic: so what he's doing isn't making laundry of btc unnecessary? | [21:36] |
midnightmagic | lol but we can't move on without detailing the method of identity collapse. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [21:36] |
midnightmagic | dub: What he's doing involves two or three (or more) parties who are taking an enormous risk that the outputs won't be used for nefarious purposes. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | makes no difference. for all we care it can be throwing darts. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | it's a method. black box. | [21:36] |
dub | its all about fungibility thought right? | [21:37] |
dub | which is the aim of money laundering | [21:37] |
midnightmagic | because you are formalizing something based on hand-wavey identity collapse methods which transactions like gmaxwell's proposed txn are being designed specifically to foil. | [21:37] |
approxprime | dub: i thought gmax didn't like gpumax b/c it gave financial incentive to undermine the mineing network | [21:37] |
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mircea_popescu | this is ridiculous. | [21:38] |
dub | smickles: idk, I thought it was the laundry aspect | [21:38] |
dub | anyway, my confusion was teh apparent about face | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | dude, if i say "a car will move items around the surface of the earth" a discussion of combustion engines is out of place | [21:38] |
midnightmagic | smickles: I'm not really sure how it could except by tipping someone over 50%. pirate claimed on many occasions that gpumax often had > 50% of the hashrate but he was being responsible wiht it. | [21:38] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Hey man that's a false analogy. But if you want to rhetorically accept the "identity collapse" thing, fine. Go on then and make your point, I'll listen. | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | thank you! | [21:39] |
midnightmagic | (i just wanted to register my objection early) | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | so, accepting that however flawed, nonsensical or poiintless, some sort of method makes A' out of perceived interractions in the blockchain | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | gmaxwell proposes to deliberately add together a3, b9, c4, f12 etc | [21:40] |
dub | sorry, whats the difference between "identity colapse" and "money laundering"? | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | so as to carefully construct something that by that however flawerd, nonsensical etc method WOULD APPEAR to be a single wallet, call it G | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [21:40] |
midnightmagic | dub: One of them is a forensic analysis of transactions to determine likely owners, and the other is an attempt to use transactions to foil the methods of determining owners. | [21:40] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: No, not a single wallet. | [21:41] |
dub | midnightmagic: lol but the end result is the same no? | [21:41] |
midnightmagic | oh, sorry, I know what you mean. | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | right! | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | so now, at this point, we have two results. | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | publicly, we have the result that indeed the method is discredited. | [21:41] |
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mircea_popescu | privately, however, if some idiot doesn;'t know about all this, we have what may be construed as a very fat wallet G | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | which gmaxwell can :"prove" he owns by signing with his own address | [21:42] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: By the methods of identity collapse as they stand, yes, it comingles wallets and makes A B C D ... X all appear to be G | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | as tenuous proof as this would be | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | my point is entirely that some naive party may actually be thus fooled. | [21:42] |
midnightmagic | he couldn't prove he owned them because he could prove he was able to make *all* of the signatures in the multisig. only a fraction of them. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | right, but that may be the standard he's held to. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | "a tiny fraction", ie, one. | [21:43] |
midnightmagic | Either you or I could go prove to a naive party that we own all the bticoins in the world right now. | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | well yes, but this is a little more ellaborate than just "it's based on math" | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | now, again, im not saying this is what gmaxwell is doing | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | all im saying is i wouldn't participate inter alia because i have not any way of knowing this isn't the case. | [21:43] |
midnightmagic | Cryptographic proof would require gmaxwell produce sigs which show he was the owner of *all* the inputs to the transaction. | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | as unlikely as it may seem or ultimately be. | [21:43] |
midnightmagic | I would offer that people who would believe gmaxwell's partial multisig signatures means he owned millions of dollars maybe aren't the sort of people you want to be getting into bed in business with anyway. | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | well... maybe. | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | people who have money are usually old. people who grok technology are usually young. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | the two rarely meet on equal footing. | [21:46] |
midnightmagic | Vint Cerf? | [21:46] |
midnightmagic | I love that guy. He looks like the Architect from the Matrix. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/zimbabwe-down-its-last-217/61562/ | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | this article is great, incidentally. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | buncha niggers got uppity, kicked out the white "opressors" | [21:46] |
midnightmagic | Don't super-rich people usually rely on other people to tell them what's going on? | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | are now starving. | [21:47] |
midnightmagic | whoa brutal man :-/ | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic yeah. problem is sometimes these people are experts a la taaki. | [21:47] |
midnightmagic | taaki? | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic right. stealing farmer's farms because they're white wasn't brutal. | [21:47] |
midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Calling them names isn't helpful given the brutal oppression involved. | [21:48] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2013/01/17/Zimbabwe-clinic-cleared-of-goblins/UPI-22371358443628/ << better | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | im all for opression. | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | the civilisation of the human race is a work of opression. our problem is that we've stopped doing it. | [21:48] |
midnightmagic | hahaha goblins. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | "IRISVALE HALT, Zimbabwe, Jan. 17 (UPI) -- Residents of a Zimbabwe village said they've "cleansed" a medical clinic of goblins but nurses who fled the clinic are still too afraid to come back to work." | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | ihalped.jpg | [21:49] |
midnightmagic | i'm gonna have to back slowly away from this conversation now.. | [21:49] |
midnightmagic | or at least that topic. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | you seriously see a problem with smacking the "residents" of the hut agglomeration across the skull | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | till they're cleansed of goblins in the head ? | [21:50] |
smickles | i suspect the (language used in)zimbabwe to english transation which results in goblin, starts with ginger | [21:51] |
dub | doubt it | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | prolly some sort of evil spirit | [21:52] |
smickles | i want to belive | [21:52] |
mircea_popescu | whatcha got against gingers ? | [21:52] |
smickles | that they arn't seriously talike about goblins | [21:52] |
smickles | *talken' | [21:52] |
dub | thats the seat of the 'raping virgiins cures your aids' wisdom | [21:52] |
midnightmagic | is the goblin cleanse involving people getting the shit kicked out of them? | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | dub i thought that was more like congo | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | midnightmagic i wonder how they pronounce salem in khosa | [21:53] |
dub | unfortunately I think the reality is that our species needs quite a bit of die-back and the natural place for this to occur is the third world | [21:53] |
midnightmagic | I see a problem with the notion that white people are blameless and that civilising people requires brutal murderous oppression. | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | xhosa* | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | white people are not blameless | [21:54] |
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mircea_popescu | in fact, they're about as stupid as anyone else. | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | but civilising requires beating. | [21:54] |
midnightmagic | I agree! | [21:54] |
midnightmagic | I disagree with the beating statement! | [21:54] |
midnightmagic | lol | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | heh. too late :D | [21:54] |
midnightmagic | All it needs is a strong science-based education and it just naturally follows. | [21:55] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: the only thing i have against gingers is that there is more humor revolving around gingers than mutt-american | [21:55] |
midnightmagic | heh heh | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | ever since you bleedin' hearts took out the beatings nothing gets done anymore. | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | smickles actually ginger chicks are the best! | [21:55] |
midnightmagic | dark red angry chicks are pretty awesome. | [21:56] |
smickles | i don't hold that against them tho | [21:56] |
smickles | :P | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | plus, a good caning shows for like a week | [21:56] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway. so is zimbabwe becoming the first extrateritorial province of china ? | [21:58] |
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DeadWeasel | don't they own the majority of America's debt too? | [22:00] |
jborkl | about to take out $20 | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [22:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.65807, Best ask: 19.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02193, Last trade: 19.68000, 24 hour volume: 49442.39791191, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 19.73800, 24 hour vwap: 19.37328 | [22:02] |
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midnightmagic | americans seem to be more willing to just inflate their currency rather than let the chinese dominate foreign debt as much as they were. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | yeah but i suspect the chinese are about a degree of magnitude more competent with infiltration | [22:04] |
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dub | [22:06] | |
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dub | lol | [22:06] |
dub | that is some religion level disconnect | [22:06] |
thestringpuller | we need more bitches up in herr | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | alll it needs is math. | [22:07] |
thestringpuller | here* | [22:07] |
dub | mircea_popescu: MAFF | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | muff ? | [22:07] |
dub | and fings | [22:07] |
thestringpuller | EskimoBob: hater to the end | [22:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066935 = 2.8923 BTC [+] | [22:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00066967 = 2.7456 BTC [+] | [22:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4079 @ 0.00067234 = 2.7425 BTC [+] | [22:11] |
midnightmagic | dub: 11:55 < midnightmagic> heh heh | [22:12] |
midnightmagic | dub: So.. I guess.. that is some religion-level context elimination | [22:12] |
midnightmagic | :) | [22:12] |
dub | guilty | [22:13] |
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mircea_popescu | if you're going to make better people by educating them | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | history is prolly a better bet than maff. | [22:15] |
dub | EskimoBob: stop talking to yourself crazy person, everyone else tuned you out a long time ago | [22:15] |
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midnightmagic | angry EskimoBob | [22:16] |
midnightmagic | vitriolic people who aren't angry usually have scarier problems? | [22:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00730522 = 13.1494 BTC [-] | [22:18] |
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Bugpowder | https://twitter.com/jgarzik | [22:19] |
dub | http://dundundun.net/ | [22:20] |
jcpham | the tweet | [22:21] |
dub | I'd be out the door quick smart | [22:22] |
dub | fuck work or whatever else he's doing | [22:22] |
jcpham | yeah no joke | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | o is it ?! | [22:22] |
Bugpowder | every moment he delays is money out of his pocket | [22:22] |
jcpham | i would be mining | [22:22] |
jcpham | it if exists | [22:22] |
Bugpowder | Maybe someone will buy my idiffs | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | lolz | [22:23] |
dub | boss: I've got the shits, bye | [22:23] |
midnightmagic | EskimoBob: Did you rage and forget the rage? | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | wait, wait. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't someone posting a supposed cgiminer screenshot earlier ? | [22:23] |
dub | mircea_popescu: wizkid was trolling | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | i thought it was from j a ok | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | how long did it take in the end, 10 days ? | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140052 | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | this is pretty good. | [22:26] |
dub | b-cup? | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | who ? | [22:27] |
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jcpham | no way i'm giving that guy money | [22:27] |
jcpham | i rememeber all his spew on the foum after pirate ditched | [22:27] |
jcpham | he was going to "help out" | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | what, apprehend the evil doers and restore peace and justice | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | and save the day ? | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | tom green is like gengis khan. somehow he's managed to have like 200 million kids. | [22:29] |
smickles | lol, so he raised the 15million or so usd to start a credit union? | [22:31] |
smickles | it says it's 100% legal | [22:31] |
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dub | I don't think he's in the US | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think he knows what he's doing. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | has some funny site run off a sort of blogspot free hoster | [22:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2385 @ 0.00066502 = 1.5861 BTC [-] | [22:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00066216 = 6.9196 BTC [-] | [22:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00065909 = 6.1625 BTC [-] | [22:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.0075 = 0.6375 BTC [+] | [22:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+] | [22:36] |
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smickles | dub:BITCOIN CREDIT UNION | [22:41] |
smickles | 8613 REED DRIVE #1 | [22:41] |
smickles | 28594 EMERALD ISLE NC | [22:41] |
smickles | USA | [22:41] |
smickles | from his link | [22:41] |
dub | otru | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | cool, cause his link is to norway's dba authority | [22:41] |
DeadWeasel | are people sending him coins? | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | and theres some reference to having to do it in sweden somewhere | [22:42] |
dub | they inevitably will | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin wants to be sent. | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | smickles see what a sucker you are ? | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | should have made a credit union instead of an accounting firm | [22:43] |
DeadWeasel | it does. it's so easy it almost jumps out of my wallet. | [22:43] |
smickles | § 54‑50. Number of incorporators; capital stock. | [22:43] |
smickles | Any number of persons, resident freeholders of the State, not less than 15, may associate to establish an association on the terms and conditions and subject to the liabilities hereinafter prescribed. The aggregate amount of the capital stock of any such association shall not be less than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000). Such association shall mean a corporation organized under the laws of the State for the purpose of making loans upon agricultu | [22:43] |
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smickles | well, it's a little easer than arizona | [22:44] |
smickles | but NC requires 15 peeps and 20kusd | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | whoa no wai. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | there's just no wai that's the whole story. | [22:44] |
smickles | and if he just meets the minimus, it severely limits what he can do in his operations | [22:44] |
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jborkl | Wait, I don't see the point of what he is doing. If you need to exchange there is GOX and if someone needs a loan they just go scam off the lending forum right? | [22:46] |
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mircea_popescu | jborkl something like that | [22:47] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: actually, it changed in 1981 | [22:50] |
smickles | to 10 peeps | [22:50] |
smickles | and 350000 usd | [22:50] |
dub | jesus christ | [22:51] |
smickles | and an additional 75000 to be held has proof they can pay their expenses for the first year | [22:51] |
dub | the internet might be about to have a bad day | [22:51] |
smickles | all funds have to be withdrawable in us legal tender if requested | [22:51] |
smickles | the administrator of it has to have a net worth of >=1.5 million usd | [22:52] |
smickles | *personal net worth | [22:52] |
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smickles | it needs a permanent capital reserver of no less than 500000 in addition to all this other stuff | [22:53] |
dub | EskimoBob logic 101: 1) call eveyone names and generally make a cunt out of yourself 2) ask them to break teh law for you | [22:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-] | [22:58] |
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smickles | EskimoBob: rather than circumventing local law, why don't you get the law changed? | [23:05] |
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smickles | heh, i'm sure it take longer than that, but lowering taxes ought to be popular enough | [23:06] |
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smickles | and there is probably an organization already trying to acheive the same goal | [23:07] |
rng29a | how long does it take before a bet appears on bitbet ? | [23:09] |
rng29a | lol | [23:10] |
smickles | EskimoBob: http://www.cutthevat.co.uk/ | [23:10] |
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smickles | if you ain't co.ukian, i'm sure they could put you in touch with your country's similar organization | [23:11] |
smickles | heh, an excellent reason why you should pay the vat | [23:12] |
smickles | you don't care to oppose it | [23:12] |
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zerokwel | whats the point in being in politics they all as bad as each other | [23:23] |
zerokwel | and yep 20% vat sux | [23:24] |
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jcpham | muahahha | [23:29] |
jcpham | smickles the credit union is Sweeeeeeeeeedish | [23:29] |
jcpham | he complies with all Sweeeeden laws | [23:30] |
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dub | rape capital of the world | [23:35] |
Bugpowder | wow. S.DICE over 1,100,000 BTC bet this month | [23:35] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.9789 BTC [-] | [23:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.95 = 4.75 BTC [-] | [23:45] |
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jurov | http://garzikrants.blogspot.sk/2013/01/once-upon-time-in-china-package-shipped.html | [23:50] |
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dub | its HUGE | [23:51] |
Diablo-D3 | its not really that big | [23:52] |
Diablo-D3 | its smaller than my ATX case | [23:52] |
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Bugpowder | They shipped it with a chinese power cable? | [23:57] |
Bugpowder | hope he has an adapter | [23:58] |
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Namworld | hmm... S.DICE profits went down like hell... | [23:58] |
Bugpowder | yah | [23:58] |
Bugpowder | variance dood | [23:58] |
Bugpowder | nobody talks about the variance when S.DICE outperforms | [23:58] |
jcpham | i love variance | [23:59] |
Bugpowder | ;;calc 21000/.0075/100000000 | [23:59] |
gribble | 0.028 | [23:59] |
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Bugpowder | 2.8% EV dividend | [23:59] |
Bugpowder | not bad | [23:59] |
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Bugpowder | ;;calc 21000/.00735/100000000 | [23:59] |
gribble | 0.0285714285714 | [23:59] |
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