Forum logs for 28 Oct 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
| benkay | drake the type of nigga to safely eject a usb stick | [00:00] |
| kakobrekla | what did this drake fella do to deserve this? | [00:01] |
| benkay | this for starters: http://25.media.tumblr.com/0d090af1bcf9b06b11b137a86e35d860/tumblr_mugjnb6V4X1sczgpmo1_1280.jpg | [00:01] |
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| kakobrekla | the dude thats waveing? | [00:02] |
| benkay | yeah | [00:02] |
| benkay | it's a long story | [00:02] |
| benkay | it starts with degrassi | [00:02] |
| benkay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5TfSnN8qY | [00:02] |
| ozbot | Drake On Degrassi - YouTube | [00:02] |
| kakobrekla | so he likes to get in in the ass, whats the big deal | [00:02] |
| benkay | big nono in black american culture | [00:03] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0061998 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2} | [00:03] |
| kakobrekla | just to clearify, 'nigger' culture or black american culture? | [00:04] |
| benkay | both imho | [00:06] |
| benkay | being that most gay black men tend to join the gay community | [00:06] |
| benkay | gay black community is like | [00:06] |
| benkay | rounding error | [00:06] |
| benkay | not that i even know what a 'nigger' is | [00:07] |
| benkay | if i knew what that word meant i'd have a mob at my door i think | [00:07] |
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| benkay | i'll just blithely claim ignorance | [00:07] |
| kakobrekla | hehe ok | [00:08] |
| jurov | perhaps dub should say | [00:09] |
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| jurov | ;;seen dub | [00:10] |
| gribble | dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: |
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| jurov | D: | [00:10] |
| kakobrekla | they got to him. | [00:10] |
| kakobrekla | dub got got. | [00:10] |
| jurov | i'd rather retreat into darkest corner of my lair and await my fate...cya | [00:13] |
| kakobrekla | cya | [00:15] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.59017858 = 16.525 BTC [-] {3} | [00:17] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00619982 = 0.4402 BTC [+] {2} | [00:17] |
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| pankkake | perhaps they're dead | [00:30] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9200 @ 0.00017 = 1.564 BTC [+] | [00:35] |
| thestringpuller | FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST | [00:36] |
| thestringpuller | ;;seen mod6 | [00:42] |
| gribble | mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: |
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| mod6 | werd up | [00:42] |
| thestringpuller | what happenes november 1st? | [00:42] |
| thestringpuller | oh dmc | [00:42] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.591 = 9.456 BTC [+] | [00:55] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 19 @ 0.05580531 = 1.0603 BTC [-] {2} | [01:02] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 95 @ 0.05135188 = 4.8784 BTC [-] {6} | [01:06] |
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| Vexual | are they 80bytes a step towards placating us regulators? | [01:46] |
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| KRS1 | wut | [01:59] |
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| Vexual | the foundation had a sit down with some irrelevant bureaucrats | [02:06] |
| Vexual | i'd like to imagine they are selling it as a feature, and teaching the less relevant party to fail at chess in their first and only game | [02:12] |
| pankkake | I just got a silly job offer, feels like a spam | [02:17] |
| pankkake | "An opportunity to join the most famous & successful website in the world today - Dublin €50-60K + Bens" | [02:17] |
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| Vexual | dublin eh? | [02:17] |
| pankkake | Are you a rockstar Web Developer with superb programming skills in a range of open source technologies? Would you like to work for the most famous and successful website in the world today? | [02:18] |
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| pankkake | "Java, J2EE, PHP, LAMP, Javascript or Objective C" I'd rather kill myself | [02:18] |
| Vexual | good luck in dublin froggy | [02:18] |
| pankkake | I'm not much of a frog :) | [02:18] |
| kakobrekla | when i see "rockstar" i say "fuckyou" | [02:18] |
| pankkake | HR people who try to appeal to "geeks" are annoying | [02:18] |
| kakobrekla | olol | [02:20] |
| kakobrekla | to bbet email> Excuse me but your buy shares button is broken. I would like to purchase some. | [02:20] |
| Vexual | whats 50k euro in real money? | [02:20] |
| kakobrekla | what are the chances. | [02:20] |
| pankkake | I wouldn't mind an opportunity to get out of France though | [02:20] |
| pankkake | Vexual: about 350 BTC | [02:21] |
| kakobrekla | ;;bc,convert eur | [02:22] |
| gribble | 1 BTC = 205.00000 U.S. dollars = 148.475411 Euros | [02:22] |
| kakobrekla | ;;calc 50/0.15 | [02:22] |
| gribble | 333.333333333 | [02:22] |
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| pankkake | real EUR, not mtgoxEUR :) | [02:22] |
| Vexual | I wonder if you can drink guiness at work? | [02:22] |
| kakobrekla | :) | [02:22] |
| pankkake | I don't really like Guiness. Unlike women I like blondes better | [02:23] |
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| Vexual | well rockstars drink what they like | [02:24] |
| Vexual | and turn up to appointments late in leather pants with no shirt on | [02:25] |
| pankkake | lol | [02:26] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600499 = 0.6005 BTC [-] {2} | [02:29] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 450 @ 0.00114784 = 0.5165 BTC [+] | [02:32] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 260 @ 0.00272995 = 0.7098 BTC [+] {2} | [02:40] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 843 @ 0.00272997 = 2.3014 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
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| mircea_popescu | [02:56] | |
| kakobrekla | lol | [02:56] |
| kakobrekla | irlol. | [02:56] |
| mircea_popescu | anyway. the fsck is complete, the drives are fine, the failure was due to cosmic rays. | [02:57] |
| mircea_popescu | sent the pcb in the dead one to be cut apart, i'll have the results in a coupla weeks, i don't expect to see anything. | [02:58] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.31500017 = 1.89 BTC [+] {5} | [03:11] |
| Vexual | those cosmic rays are a bitch | [03:11] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31500017 BTC [+] | [03:12] |
| Apocalyptic | not sure if serious or joking | [03:14] |
| mircea_popescu | i dunno, i never met a cosmic ray. | [03:14] |
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| Vexual | you've known gadzillionz intimately billions | [03:15] |
| Apocalyptic | of course you did mircea_popescu, they penetrate you everyday | [03:15] |
| mircea_popescu | raep | [03:15] |
| Vexual | you can get anything you want at alices resturant | [03:17] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58237506 = 9.318 BTC [-] {5} | [03:28] |
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| Vexual | whats the craic nubbins`? | [03:54] |
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| nubbins` | not much | [03:56] |
| nubbins` | ink shopping | [03:56] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+] | [03:59] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00272996 = 0.273 BTC [-] | [03:59] |
| Vexual | wild | [03:59] |
| Vexual | does anyone have thousghts on 0.9? | [04:01] |
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| KRS1 | wut | [04:05] |
| Vexual | are you smoking funny cigarettes krs1? | [04:06] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 319 @ 0.00111937 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4} | [04:06] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 750 @ 0.00110064 = 0.8255 BTC [-] {8} | [04:07] |
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| Vexual | sideways soup analysis in full effect | [04:10] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 94 @ 0.0011 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {2} | [04:14] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5612 BTC [-] | [04:16] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2611 @ 0.00107258 = 2.8005 BTC [-] {9} | [04:17] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1225 @ 0.00106 = 1.2985 BTC [-] {2} | [04:18] |
| thestringpuller | smokin on dat dro | [04:21] |
| thestringpuller | where beeeee mpex at yo? | [04:21] |
| nubbins` | dro | [04:24] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1875 @ 0.00106 = 1.9875 BTC [-] | [04:24] |
| mircea_popescu | hehe. iiiit wooooont be loooong now | [04:25] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTUAESacQM | [04:26] |
| ozbot | The Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight ( HQ, Full Version ) - YouTube | [04:26] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00272997 = 0.1365 BTC [+] | [04:26] |
| nubbins` | mircea_popescu, thestringpuller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBkEuxhgIU | [04:28] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00272997 = 0.273 BTC [+] {2} | [04:30] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31500017 = 0.63 BTC [+] | [04:31] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1777 = 0.5331 BTC [+] | [04:33] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.178 = 0.534 BTC [+] | [04:34] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+] | [04:36] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.07611699 = 0.7612 BTC [+] {5} | [04:41] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65798996 = 1.974 BTC [+] {2} | [04:42] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.07628999 = 0.534 BTC [+] {2} | [04:43] |
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| Vexual | elegance cannot be imitated | [05:03] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.00537062 = 0.8271 BTC [-] {6} | [05:04] |
| Vexual | and there are no terms of reference but itself | [05:05] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1098 @ 0.00272996 = 2.9975 BTC [-] | [05:06] |
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| Vexual | stick that in your machine learning and smoke it | [05:11] |
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| darby | ai is the new ui | [05:16] |
| Vexual | derp | [05:17] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.56210001 = 25.8566 BTC [-] {10} | [05:17] |
| Vexual | google dumbed down their systems 2 years ago to appear to have progressed. it's the state of misinfo | [05:19] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.55002727 = 6.0503 BTC [-] {3} | [05:21] |
| darby | interesting tactic | [05:23] |
| Vexual | even nsa dont have one hundred thosadnth of a good brain | [05:24] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55001 BTC [-] | [05:32] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00528008 = 0.2006 BTC [+] | [05:32] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZrVzoKM7Q | [05:33] |
| ozbot | RITA MARLEY "That's The Way Jah Jah Planned It" Paradiso, Amsterdam 2010 - YouTube | [05:33] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55001 = 1.65 BTC [-] | [05:33] |
| darby | praise jah | [05:34] |
| Vexual | satoshi too | [05:35] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 184 @ 0.00110832 = 0.2039 BTC [-] | [05:35] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1565 @ 0.00011001 = 0.1722 BTC [-] | [05:37] |
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| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvy5TGLUls8 | [05:47] |
| ozbot | Damian "Jr. Gong" Marley - Set Up Shop - YouTube | [05:47] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5525 = 2.21 BTC [+] {2} | [06:05] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5304 = 2.652 BTC [-] {3} | [06:08] |
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| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBivcKbOGI | [06:13] |
| ozbot | The Streets - Turn the Page - YouTube | [06:13] |
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| darby | i'll contribute | [06:19] |
| darby | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkS0yUxZ-go | [06:19] |
| ozbot | rhythm & sound w/ tikiman - jah rule - YouTube | [06:19] |
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| Vexual | ill interrrupt joss stone for your cool handle darby | [06:20] |
| Vexual | success of a human hive, i like it | [06:20] |
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| Vexual | now the patterns in one mans greay soup tell me i like you | [06:23] |
| darby | :) | [06:25] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2229 @ 0.00258009 = 5.751 BTC [-] {11} | [06:26] |
| Vexual | two lists and a delicate interface, wait and see what i do with 80 bytes | [06:26] |
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| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4UJLHFkWZ8 | [06:29] |
| ozbot | Yes Sir Boss ft Joss Stone - Come Together - YouTube | [06:29] |
| KRS1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCmQcRPtRg | [06:29] |
| ozbot | Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube | [06:29] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.52994117 = 18.018 BTC [-] {3} | [06:32] |
| Vexual | tropical varieties are still a rarity, but i think pankkake has something called pif? | [06:35] |
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| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUwDx8HO11c | [06:40] |
| ozbot | Cypress Hill feat Method Man & Redman - Red Meth & B - YouTube | [06:40] |
| Vexual | 鮫皮?):same-kawa | [06:46] |
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| Vexual | kanos avatar is still an offence to my schooling | [06:53] |
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| Vexual | now that my master is dead by the blade of his son | [06:56] |
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| Vexual | it sits in a police station | [07:05] |
| Vexual | it should be melted and cast to sea | [07:06] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52113333 = 1.5634 BTC [-] {3} | [07:07] |
| Vexual | pon a savage wind | [07:07] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXAVYlGRIqc | [07:11] |
| ozbot | Tricky - Brand New You're Retro (live 1995) - YouTube | [07:11] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3fd4nE8OCI | [07:15] |
| ozbot | Tricky - Murder Weapon (2010) - YouTube | [07:15] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053202 = 0.532 BTC [-] {2} | [07:20] |
| mircea_popescu | http://xkcd.com/1172/ | [07:22] |
| ozbot | xkcd: Workflow | [07:22] |
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| Vexual | looks like a fax | [07:23] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3R_3h6zQEs | [07:25] |
| ozbot | Tricky - 'Hell Is Round the Corner' - YouTube | [07:25] |
| Vexual | my master tagt me the finer parts of linux, cad, fine art, sailing, swordsmanship and judo | [07:27] |
| Vexual | also cheaper motorcycles and native relations | [07:28] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdbk0R2riCc | [07:29] |
| ozbot | Billy Bunks - Hookers - YouTube | [07:29] |
| Vexual | avoid war | [07:36] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHo7zyXqFsI | [07:36] |
| ozbot | Tornts - Don't Like Ya Shit [feat. Billy Bunks] - YouTube | [07:36] |
| Vexual | kano | [07:39] |
| Vexual | its all a grand tapestryu | [07:41] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.31500014 = 1.575 BTC [-] | [07:42] |
| dub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElJ9wQllJ0 | [07:46] |
| ozbot | Waltzing Matilda - YouTube | [07:46] |
| Vexual | you're full of funny ideas | [07:46] |
| Vexual | good mix tho | [07:48] |
| Vexual | korean 3d | [07:48] |
| dub | this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElJ9wQllJ0&t=2m27s | [07:50] |
| Vexual | this wis ulti mately betterer | [07:51] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j16RlNtyBE | [07:51] |
| ozbot | Woodstock 1969 - Canned Heat - On The Road Again - YouTube | [07:51] |
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| Vexual | dub you win some aussie goodness for being so clever with korean 3d | [08:03] |
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| Vexual | thisll make goat quit | [08:03] |
| Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjYc2qqNNg | [08:03] |
| ozbot | Pop Porn - Regurgitator - YouTube | [08:03] |
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| Vexual | blame it on the cosmic rays | [08:07] |
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| ozbot | Flight Facilities - Clair De Lune (feat. Christine Hoberg) - YouTube | [08:22] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC | [10:06] |
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| jurov | hm, mpex still fscking... | [10:19] |
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| mircea_popescu | jurov on the 2nd disk ;/ | [10:26] |
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| * | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [17:46] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading | [17:46] |
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| mircea_popescu | well that was painful. | [17:46] |
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| nubbins` | i've got this condition where it's really difficult for me to find the ketchup in the fridge | [17:48] |
| abracadabra | put a big yellow flag on the ketchup bottle | [17:49] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1834 @ 0.0011 = 2.0174 BTC [-] | [17:51] |
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| bob_ | omg mpex is back. | [17:53] |
| bob_ | almost. | [17:53] |
| Azelphur | mpex fought the law and the...mpex won | [17:53] |
| bob_ | almost. some stuff is weird. | [17:54] |
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| nubbins` | abracadabra: i seriously searched for 30 minutes last night. open the fridge this morning, ketchup sitting alone on the bottom shelf | [17:54] |
| bob_ | heh. the s.nsa ipo is back on! | [17:54] |
| bob_ | looks like 10 days of data missing. well, those trades probably weren't important anyway :D | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu | bob they're just not showing. | [18:01] |
| mircea_popescu | also trade is not active atm. | [18:01] |
| the20year | what exchanges are working decently? | [18:02] |
| nubbins` | mircea_popescu: one of the big problems with higher education is that students think "ok, i just attend these classes, get this degree, and i'm employable", which is just not true. getting a university degree, college diploma, whatever, doesn't mean you're employable, doesn't mean you have skills, doesn't mean you know how to do anything besides graduate from a program. the value isn't in the degre | [18:03] |
| nubbins` | or the individual classes, the value is being in an environment where you have ready access to the tools you need to educate *yourself*. nobody understands this anymore, and so they just show up and mope through classes and go home, not communicating with people who could offer advice, not seeking out opportunities to gain useful knowledge. just going through the motions and passing tests until the | [18:03] |
| nubbins` | get a sheet of paper that says "B.Sc. (hons)", and then working a shit retail job until one day they realize (or not) what they should have been doing all along | [18:03] |
| nubbins` | and it takes a 3 minute job interview to separate those who went through the motions from those who took the opportunity to educate themselves | [18:04] |
| pankkake | getting drunk with friends were the best learning experiences I got from higher education | [18:05] |
| pankkake | well, and the internships | [18:06] |
| pankkake | didn't even bother coming back for the diplomas | [18:06] |
| nubbins` | spending six years learning that i didn't want to spend the rest of my life working in an office was the best learning experience i got | [18:06] |
| nubbins` | very, very expensive lesson, but sometimes it must be so | [18:06] |
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| KRS- | nubbins: not sure if you went to college or not, I did and I learned a lot. A lot of what you said is true, but you can't discount a degree someone has attained. | [18:07] |
| jurov | so... since mpex now advises to vent our rage here... y u no backup machine mircea??? | [18:07] |
| nubbins` | KRS-: i spent 6 years in university. i'm discounting the notion that possession of a degree automatically confers knowledge, wisdom, or experience. :) | [18:08] |
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| nubbins` | i know lots of very intelligent university-educated people, but i also know some complete fucking morons with the same credentials | [18:09] |
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| KRS- | Ok I see what you are saying and you are right. Those who are just good test takers who finished a program stick out like a sore thumb imo. | [18:09] |
| bob_ | certainly not experience, but it does generally mean some knowledge. | [18:09] |
| KRS- | Most of the time you can tell just by talking to them. | [18:09] |
| pankkake | I wouldn't employ most of the people who got the diplomas I got | [18:10] |
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| bob_ | CS majors know what O(n) means. English majors who taught themselves html do not. | [18:10] |
| jurov | nubbins`: i'd reject such advice before my 3rd uni year as outright blasphemous | [18:10] |
| nubbins` | well, that's the problem. kids are throwing tens of $ away, under the impression that it will make a difference in their lives. but unless they have the drive to take what they want and the self-awareness to know what it is, it'll never be anything more than a costly waste of time for them | [18:10] |
| the20year | I'm still pretty happy with the fact I have never attended formal college | [18:11] |
| nubbins` | tens of $? lel. tens of thousands of $ | [18:11] |
| bob_ | 100's. | [18:11] |
| nubbins` | this is why a bachelor's degree is the new standard for employability | [18:11] |
| nubbins` | because everyone has one | [18:11] |
| the20year | I wonder how much that piece of paper would cost me | [18:11] |
| nubbins` | completely avoiding the fact that they're as useless now as a HS diploma was not long ago | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't. | [18:12] |
| jurov | btw, i'd happily employ genial teenagers.. but how to find them and how to keep them motivated for my cause? | [18:12] |
| the20year | Develop a hiring system | [18:12] |
| KRS- | the20year: cost me $60 I got 2% for 12 years financing still paying lol | [18:12] |
| nubbins` | you can't "keep" people motivated | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu | you know genial = friendly, happy people. genius is prolly what you mean | [18:12] |
| KRS- | $60K | [18:13] |
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| jurov | the20year: can you elaborate? | [18:13] |
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| nubbins` | ah a hiring system. why has nobody thought of this! | [18:13] |
| nubbins` | can part of the system be "nobody gives a fuck if you have a degree" | [18:14] |
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| nubbins` | anyway. walk around any campus and ask some young faces why they're there. see how many say "because my parents expect this of me". see how many are thinking the same but are ashamed to admit it. | [18:15] |
| nubbins` | can you think of a bigger waste of money? or TIME? | [18:15] |
| the20year | Personally, i try and develop a plan of finding people who can be motivated, either by time or money, then provide a roadmap so they can see how they will gain good income for working with me over a set period of time | [18:16] |
| jurov | as compared to? | [18:16] |
| jurov | nubbins`: ^ | [18:16] |
| the20year | I hate hourly pay, so what I typically offer is contract pricing, pay-for-performace models, so as they get better ,their wages automatically increase, and then if they don't work well they'll quit on their own without dragging down the company too much | [18:16] |
| nubbins` | as compared to spending time figuring out what you want from life | [18:16] |
| jurov | the20year: the coworking space i'm affiliated to, is trying exactly this | [18:16] |
| jurov | and it is all but easy | [18:16] |
| the20year | That's how I run RentalStarter, working with contractors | [18:16] |
| the20year | Hit the goals? You get a bonus. Miss them? You make less money | [18:17] |
| nubbins` | university is just a 4 (or more) year extension on the autopilot that's been running these kids' lives | [18:17] |
| the20year | Pretty much, they do what they're told without thinking | [18:17] |
| the20year | My cousin went to school for history, then he realized he can't get a job there, so now he's getting another degree in logistics | [18:17] |
| jurov | again, what alternative do you suggest? | [18:17] |
| the20year | I asked him "Who are you applying to after college" and he didn't think he could get employed ,even though a logistics degree is amazing to have | [18:18] |
| assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [18:18] |
| the20year | Build a business, learn to run it | [18:18] |
| jurov | you know, just telling them this outright does *not* work | [18:18] |
| nubbins` | i suggest not going to university. at least, not until you know what the fuck you want and have at least a general idea of how to get it | [18:18] |
| nubbins` | but suggestions are advice, and the funny thing about advice is that nobody wants to hear it until they're ready | [18:18] |
| the20year | Very true | [18:18] |
| nubbins` | and nobody's ready until they've sunk $60k into a degree in german film, or history, or biology | [18:19] |
| jurov | i could have had a business, even in opensource development long ago (nerd's wet dream i guess), but was afraid how to explain to everyone around | [18:19] |
| the20year | So why couldn't you explain it? | [18:19] |
| jurov | because...how it can be more important than school? | [18:20] |
| nubbins` | EVERYTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SCHOOL | [18:20] |
| the20year | Most will have to learn the hard way | [18:20] |
| nubbins` | NOBODY REALIZES THIS | [18:20] |
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| the20year | I ask people to spend no less than 30 hours of research on the degree they want, speicifcally in how it will improve employability | [18:20] |
| the20year | I don't know how many people I know with psycology degrees who are flipping burgers still | [18:20] |
| nubbins` | science degrees are the biggest trick of all | [18:21] |
| jurov | also, i was not able to put consistent work output then due to psych problems | [18:21] |
| the20year | And I asked them all "When you saw that the unemployment rate for someone with that degree is 20% or more, why did you think it was a good idea?" | [18:21] |
| nubbins` | what the fuck are you gonna do with a biology degree? become a biologist? | [18:21] |
| nubbins` | great, how about the other 200 people in your graduating class? | [18:21] |
| nubbins` | working at pet stores and Liquor Mart | [18:21] |
| jurov | but they can't get somewhere where they have maths! even if their life depends on it... | [18:22] |
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| nubbins` | now, to be fair, i'm squarely in the group of people who figured this all out after the fact | [18:22] |
| nubbins` | so it's not like i did things the smart way | [18:22] |
| nubbins` | but in my defense, i was told that this shit was basically a golden ticket | [18:23] |
| nubbins` | what a lel that was | [18:23] |
| nubbins` | the other half of this is that people tend to settle. "well, i'm done school, no more learning for me" | [18:24] |
| nubbins` | and they just stop taking in new information and learning new skills | [18:24] |
| KRS- | big mistake | [18:24] |
| nubbins` | that's almost worse, spinning your wheels so slowly that you don't even notice you're sinking into the mud | [18:25] |
| KRS- | thats what makes the difference between a ceo and someone who spends their life in their entry-level position | [18:25] |
| nubbins` | yes | [18:25] |
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| nubbins` | but i think the problem in a lot of cases is that people just don't want anything | [18:26] |
| nubbins` | they're content to just float along | [18:26] |
| the20year | yep | [18:26] |
| the20year | Why not? The government will take care of them | [18:26] |
| nubbins` | every now and then they have an attack of guilt at the waste their life has become, but why dwell on that when it would take so much effort to change! | [18:27] |
| the20year | in modern society there's no problem, punishment or negative towards someone who doesn't want to do anything with life | [18:27] |
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| bob_ | not everything is more important than school. i'm looking at a resume right now that does not have a college listed, but does have that he attended "tony robbins - power to influence" | [18:28] |
| bob_ | i'd rather see a degree | [18:28] |
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| nubbins` | the20year: let me find you a quote | [18:38] |
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| the20year | "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." | [18:39] |
| bob_ | yeah, i think tony robbins said that. | [18:39] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00540004 = 0.3294 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
| nubbins` | "The Brutor takes pride in the troubles of their life because it all adds to their stature. They marvel at failure, such as bad grades in school, or getting hassled by cops who tell them only to move along. ... Any punishment for his actions becomes a badge and holds no real consequence because jail is holding him back from nothing but killing time" | [18:41] |
| the20year | Calvin Coolidge | [18:41] |
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| bob_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYYp0TgNfGE | [18:44] |
| ozbot | Anthony Robbins- Tony Robbins Persist to Achieve - YouTube | [18:44] |
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| jurov | bullshit | [18:48] |
| jurov | it's impossible to some day decide "i'll be persistent" and stick to it for years | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu | why ? | [18:49] |
| nubbins` | correct. persistence is a skill like any other | [18:49] |
| jurov | if you're otherwise happe and satiated | [18:49] |
| nubbins` | you need to work on it | [18:49] |
| jurov | *happy | [18:49] |
| nubbins` | jurov: happy and satiated are not synonyms | [18:50] |
| jurov | i did not say that | [18:50] |
| nubbins` | you came pretty close | [18:50] |
| nubbins` | many people are unhappy, yet satiated | [18:50] |
| nubbins` | that's what leads to change | [18:51] |
| nubbins` | being happy *and* satiated? you've got it knocked. don't change a thing. | [18:51] |
| jurov | man starts very unhappy or hungry. then one sets their goals to prevent it happening again | [18:51] |
| KRS- | a degree at the very least shows that someone can stick to something and complete it..for that, comes some value. as a hiring manager i'd rather see a degree. | [18:51] |
| nubbins` | KRS-: arguably the only concrete value a degree holds | [18:52] |
| nubbins` | but there are plenty of other ways to prove that | [18:52] |
| KRS- | the importance them comes down to whether or not you can tell if someone is just a good test taker or actually has knowledge and knows how to apply it | [18:52] |
| nubbins` | yes! | [18:52] |
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| nubbins` | how many interviewees see it as yet another test that they must figure out how to pass | [18:53] |
| nubbins` | wholly missing the point of the entire exercise | [18:53] |
| nubbins` | and ending up in an unsatisfying job? | [18:53] |
| KRS- | but how many times have people been hired just because they can spit good game at an interview only to find out they are incompetent jerkoffs | [18:53] |
| nubbins` | plenty of those around, too | [18:53] |
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| KRS- | salesmen come to mind | [18:54] |
| nubbins` | i used to work with a girl who had a B.Eng. with honors, and she wrote the worst code i've ever seen. variables called "resultset1" and "string3", seriously | [18:54] |
| nubbins` | "why the fuck did you guys hire her?" | [18:54] |
| nubbins` | "she was great in the interview" | [18:55] |
| kakobrekla | tits? | [18:55] |
| nubbins` | irrelevant, but no | [18:55] |
| the20year | interview = sacj | [18:55] |
| the20year | '*sack | [18:55] |
| nubbins` | no, she was just smart on paper and knew how to interview | [18:55] |
| KRS- | pfft | [18:56] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00540004 = 0.2106 BTC [-] {2} | [18:56] |
| nubbins` | but that didn't quite overcome her crippling lack of social skills or job knowledge | [18:56] |
| nubbins` | go figure | [18:56] |
| dexX7 | http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/company/winklevoss-bitcoin-trust-909930-72927 | [18:56] |
| ozbot | WINKLEVOSS BITCOIN TRUST IPO - NASDAQ.com | [18:56] |
| the20year | Nice | [18:57] |
| jurov | mircea_popescu: seems my rant about not having spare machine for mpex got lost | [18:58] |
| jurov | but i insist, why you have to wait for The One Holy Server to be rebuilt? | [18:58] |
| nubbins` | [18:59] | |
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| kakobrekla | yeah but reduncancy doenst have to kill centralisation | [19:00] |
| kakobrekla | ba | [19:00] |
| jurov | nubbins` how it precludes having regularly updated spare server? | [19:00] |
| mircea_popescu | kakobrekla the problem is centralisation + security as a combo. | [19:00] |
| nubbins` | jurov: shrug, i only paste ;) | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu | you CAN seamlessly failover on errors, if the result of errors is nil and convenience of not having errors is what counts. | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu | however, if the result of errors is not nil, you can't just shrug and move on | [19:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | in my case, i have to, everytime something unexpected happens, see why the fuck it happened before i can move on | [19:01] |
| nubbins` | or, put another way, a backup box is no good if it's a backup of a compromised machine | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu | exactly. | [19:02] |
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| kakobrekla | well there you have it jurov! | [19:03] |
| kakobrekla | :> | [19:03] |
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| jurov | hm... so next time psu or raid controller dies, we'll be few days offline, again. cuz it could been a hack? | [19:05] |
| bob_ | right, but, if you had a backup, once you decided it was just a power problem that fried your drive, you could recover faster. | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu | what do you want me to do ;/ | [19:05] |
| bob_ | ^ what jurov said | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu | last time it was a motherfucking "hack" | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu | or w/e successful social engineering | [19:05] |
| nubbins` | hm, bob makes a point | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu | bob_ yes, in principle. see, here's the thing : the more complex the security model becomes, by that very fact the more complex recovery processes become | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu | this is unavoidalbe. | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu | at some point the dilemma is, "either people will complain becauyse it takes too long, or people will complain because x edge case wasn't covered in the security design" | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu | also unavoidable. | [19:06] |
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| bob_ | agreed with the theory, but in practice you could probably reduce the downtime with some improvements to architecture. | [19:07] |
| jurov | i mean, if you can do process with one machine, you can do the same with the second one with small marginal costs | [19:07] |
| lewicki | .d | [19:07] |
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| jurov | to have at least hardware fails covered | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov yes, but then at some point you have machines in disagreement. how do you resolve this ? | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu | also, machines don't cost 0. | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu | so would you have a faster & better main server, or a shittier main so the back-up is there ? | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu | depends, right ? if you never have catastrophic failures of the sort, the incremental gain from the better server is everyone's benefit. | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu | however, if you do noboduy cares you were < .1 seconds forever, cause well... days offline. | [19:09] |
| jurov | well i'm all for shitty servers, and lots of them... you gonna scale up and hadle faults quickly someday anyway | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu | anwyay, mpex is very much an adaptive beast. it's the best i can do, honestly, because i don't know the correct way to build bitcoin systems | [19:10] |
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| mircea_popescu | i daresay nobody does. we're finding out. | [19:10] |
| bob_ | we are trying to figure that out :) since you don't allow high-frequency trading anyway, nobody cares if it's < .1 seconds or < .2 seconds. | [19:10] |
| Namworld | I'm alive | [19:11] |
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| jurov | hi Namworld | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu | bob_ except when ipo or w/e | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu | yes, 99% of the time 99% of your shit isn't at work / needed. | [19:11] |
| kakobrekla | im just joking btw. i dont have a license to drive a bus. | [19:12] |
| bob_ | so given that security is the most important thing, and we all understand the complexities involved, I think we can still agree that 2 days down for a failed hard drive probably warrents a blame-less post mortem with the goal of improving the system for the future? | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu | blameless or blameful, you know ? what can i do, i'm doing it. | [19:15] |
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| bob_ | blameless. | [19:15] |
| bob_ | glad to hear :) | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu | but for all the shortcomings of distributed models, which exist, the centralised model has its problems. | [19:16] |
| jurov | well, just sayin'. maybe you study all chips with electron microscope and then second machine would really double whole expense... | [19:19] |
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| mircea_popescu | well, see, before the 2nd drive went in and got fried, i had already sent the 1st to be cut up | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu | so now i will get a pretty expensive lab bill saying "power fluctuations caused bla bla bla" | [19:19] |
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| nubbins` | http://books.google.ca/books?id=f8gTJ3-MWzEC&pg=PA288 | [19:24] |
| nubbins` | paragraphs 2-4 | [19:24] |
| nubbins` | never trust a computer | [19:24] |
| pankkake | is it any good? I only read the Frank Herbert originals | [19:26] |
| nubbins` | a lot of people who like Frank's really dislike Brian's, but i enjoyed it | [19:27] |
| lurker | not the same style, not the same depth - forget the herbert name and it's decent | [19:27] |
| nubbins` | ^ | [19:27] |
| pankkake | I see. thanks | [19:28] |
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| nubbins` | http://imgur.com/Q61qWo3 | [19:40] |
| dexX7 | omg :D | [19:42] |
| nubbins` | cant stop laughing | [19:43] |
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| kakobrekla | better http://imgur.com/a/usnAh | [20:05] |
| wao | :D | [20:06] |
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| ThickAsThieves | http://buttcoin.org/cringiest-bitcoin-video-ever | [20:15] |
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| kleeck | Oh... no. | [20:19] |
| kleeck | I just stopped it. | [20:19] |
| kleeck | I can't deal with that level of fail. | [20:19] |
| dexX7 | lol wtf | [20:20] |
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