Forum logs for 26 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0	[00:01]
ozbot	Visit of ASICMINER's Immersion Cooling Mining Facility	[00:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00364983 = 0.5292 BTC [+] {4}	[00:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00334429 = 0.1405 BTC [-] {4}	[00:32]
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dub	topace: your css sucks	[00:34]
thestringpuller	lol	[00:35]
dub	topace: the header logo/image is on top of the signin link	[00:35]
pankkake	worksforme	[00:35]
dexX7	uh, speaking of that	[00:36]
dexX7	highcharts sucks also	[00:36]
dexX7	i hate it	[00:36]
pankkake	why?	[00:36]
dexX7	it's ugly	[00:36]
pankkake	what's better?	[00:36]
dexX7	and every "bitcoin" website uses it	[00:36]
dexX7	i don't know	[00:36]
pankkake	don't be a hipster! mainstream isn't always bad	[00:36]
pankkake	it's fairly configurable actually, I've seen it look not ugly	[00:37]
dexX7	yes, there was one case	[00:37]
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thestringpuller	make your own shit with d3	[00:38]
thestringpuller	gosh	[00:38]
thestringpuller	n00bs	[00:38]
dexX7	rtbtc.com/clarkmoody is great	[00:43]
pankkake	http://code.shutterstock.com/rickshaw/ seems pretty cool	[00:43]
ozbot	Rickshaw: A JavaScript toolkit for creating interactive time-series graphs	[00:43]
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dexX7	looks great and fast, but no candles	[00:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00078881 = 1.341 BTC [+]	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.389 BTC [-]	[00:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39499 = 0.79 BTC [+]	[01:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.395 = 0.79 BTC [+]	[01:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39779999 = 1.1934 BTC [+] {2}	[01:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.39799999 = 1.99 BTC [+] {2}	[01:16]
pascal257	[WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999998 = 0.8 BTC [+]	[01:17]
mike_c	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330110.0	[01:19]
ozbot	[WTS] 3537 ADDICTION shares	[01:19]
mike_c	3 weeks and no takers :)	[01:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00223309 = 0.1786 BTC [+] {2}	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	[WTS] 3537 My Personal Toenail Clippings	[01:20]
mike_c	possibly worth more	[01:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]	[01:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00364798 = 0.1824 BTC [+]	[01:24]
pascal257	as long as I don't get reasonable offers, I don't see why I should sell	[01:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00364798 = 0.1824 BTC [+]	[01:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]	[01:26]
pascal257	I should run an IPO around them with super special earlybird shares	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00364799 = 0.1094 BTC [+]	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00365 = 0.1971 BTC [+]	[01:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 534 @ 0.00223983 = 1.1961 BTC [+] {2}	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0036899 = 0.1107 BTC [+]	[01:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00360001 = 0.2556 BTC [-]	[01:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.0036 = 0.4716 BTC [-]	[01:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0022399 = 0.2173 BTC [+]	[01:50]
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pascal257	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346503	[01:50]
ozbot	Invest in Bitcoin Bourse System shares	[01:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 783 @ 0.00233801 = 1.8307 BTC [+] {5}	[01:51]
pascal257	That dood has same humor	[01:51]
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ThickAsThieves	he already IPO'd a while back and failed	[01:51]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall it wasnt the WORST thing, but still not worth buying	[01:52]
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pascal257	it's just another bitcoin exchange	[01:52]
pankkake	he started offering on the French forum, so we had the delight earlier	[01:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.002392 = 0.287 BTC [+]	[01:53]
pascal257	and he evaluated his business at 7k BTC	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	dang	[01:53]
pankkake	as you don't need to be out of noob jail to post there	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	i should IPO	[01:53]
pankkake	didn't you?	[01:53]
ThickAsThieves	did i?	[01:53]
pascal257	maybe I can IPO with my next dump	[01:53]
pankkake	well the SMG passthrough was kinda "IPO"	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	?	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	its a PT	[01:54]
pankkake	by IPO I mean selling overpriced stuff obviously :)	[01:54]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[01:54]
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pascal257	ahahaha	[02:01]
pascal257	"Advertising in forums is never the best idea as the trolls are waiting you."	[02:01]
pascal257	whos trolling whom	[02:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00239199 = 2.1528 BTC [-] {2}	[02:02]
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pankkake	in the french forum « yes mr. hollande [our President. no idea why he called me that]. next defamation attack and i'll sue you »	[02:04]
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pankkake	perhaps the costanza avatar? :o	[02:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00330884 = 0.2746 BTC [-] {2}	[02:05]
pascal257	:D	[02:05]
pascal257	The Bitcoin Card®	[02:05]
pascal257	I'm wondering if he actually has the trademark for that	[02:05]
pascal257	that might be worth something	[02:06]
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pankkake	oh didn't that website get a lot of press?	[02:06]
pankkake	I know one bitcoin card site did, and never ended up doing anything	[02:06]
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pascal2571	how easy is it to register a SARL?	[02:09]
pascal2571	it seems that dood owns a bunch of them	[02:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 550 @ 0.00239511 = 1.3173 BTC [+] {4}	[02:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00246 = 0.738 BTC [+]	[02:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.0036846 = 0.4385 BTC [+]	[02:33]
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jurov`	ah, markus weiler?	[02:36]
jurov`	i'm going to piss him off big time soon (by way of bitcoinbourse.eu, another lame project of him)	[02:37]
jurov`	as i am share^W bagholder of it, we had very funny email exchange	[02:40]
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Apocalyptic	pankkake, do you like Hollande ?	[02:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15000091 BTC [-]	[02:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00218077 = 0.4362 BTC [-] {4}	[02:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [-]	[02:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00218077 = 0.109 BTC [-] {2}	[02:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00202962 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {4}	[02:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 402 @ 0.00200477 = 0.8059 BTC [-] {3}	[02:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]	[03:01]
pankkake	no :D	[03:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3999 = 0.7998 BTC [+]	[03:03]
pankkake	pascal257: it used to require minimum capital, but now SARL can start at 1€	[03:03]
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mindfck	sup ppls	[03:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [+]	[03:10]
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nubbins`	well hello	[03:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2042 @ 0.0019995 = 4.083 BTC [-] {11}	[03:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2903 @ 0.00197244 = 5.726 BTC [-] {2}	[03:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.0355 = 1.775 BTC [-]	[03:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]	[03:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0036814 = 0.1841 BTC [-]	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]	[03:32]
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deadweasel	howdy nubs	[03:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409 BTC [+]	[03:43]
kakobrekla	cant belive i just ordered a book	[03:46]
kakobrekla	physical kind	[03:46]
mike_c	tree-killer.	[03:47]
kakobrekla	hehe	[03:47]
kakobrekla	they ran out of the cotton paper versions	[03:47]
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BingoBoingo	That's definitely going to cut down on it's expected lifespan kakobrekla	[03:49]
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pankkake	I only buy physical books	[03:49]
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pankkake	it's nice to have books at home	[03:50]
kakobrekla	i tend to lend books to others after im done with them	[03:51]
kakobrekla	they mostly dont come back	[03:51]
kakobrekla	so i accepted the fact that im giving them away	[03:51]
pankkake	so they're kind of like bitcoins	[03:51]
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kakobrekla	i dunno why keep books	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00079063 = 18.9356 BTC [+]	[03:53]
kakobrekla	its not like you are going to read it again	[03:53]
pankkake	well I haven't read most of them	[03:53]
kakobrekla	and if you dont remember something from the book	[03:53]
kakobrekla	apparently it wasnt interesting enough to be worth remembering	[03:54]
pankkake	books make you smarter, because people see you have a lot of books and think you must be smart	[03:54]
kakobrekla	i wouldnt know, you are the smart one	[03:56]
jurov`	pfft... was it at least bound in human leather?	[03:57]
kakobrekla	is that thing even legal?	[03:58]
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jurov`	http://www.humanleather.co.uk/ from cadavers.. why not?	[03:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4145 = 0.829 BTC [+] {2}	[04:02]
kakobrekla	well i guess you know what the problem is when you have a market for dead bodies	[04:02]
asciilifeform	lampshades are conspicuously missing from the catalogue.	[04:02]
jurov`	same problem as with replacement organs?	[04:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]	[04:03]
kakobrekla	sorta, but that takes way more sophistication	[04:03]
jurov`	plus, human leather can be donated without killing anyone... morbidly obese people get excess skin removed routinely	[04:04]
kakobrekla	i dont care, mind or anything. just saying	[04:04]
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dub	cadavers and lazy chinese	[04:06]
dub	and excess 'murican as jurov` notes	[04:08]
jurov`	"made from america's excess"	[04:09]
kakobrekla	lol	[04:09]
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s3gfault	BitBET are fucking theives. 10BTC stolen.	[04:10]
kakobrekla	yes we heard, its terrible	[04:10]
pankkake	~macbook :/	[04:10]
s3gfault	they have no concept of PR	[04:10]
kakobrekla	s3gfault they should pay you for PR since you are doing such a good job	[04:10]
kakobrekla	maybe write them an email	[04:11]
s3gfault	they're a joke. people should stay away from them	[04:11]
*	BingoBoingo has had no trouble with BitBet though he tries to bet within a week of a new Bet's opening.	[04:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00368739 = 0.4904 BTC [-] {2}	[04:12]
dub	I tried to make a bet with someone but they were too stupid to use bitcoin and sent funds after the bet closed :(	[04:12]
dub	its a real problem	[04:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00369 = 0.2768 BTC [+]	[04:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]	[04:15]
kakobrekla	s3gfault have you considered getting a 'NEVER FORGET BITBET' tatto, that should raise awareness and give them hell	[04:15]
s3gfault	dub: bitbet should automatically return funds sent after the bet closed. its trivial to implement. its not complicated at all. they are theives	[04:15]
kakobrekla	i think thats the best option at this point	[04:15]
s3gfault	i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives	[04:16]
pankkake	https://bitpay.com/directory I wondered if those 12000 businesses were real. now be can check. pretty cool	[04:16]
kakobrekla	if you do it on the your forehead, you will get the most out of it	[04:16]
s3gfault	pankkake is just a bitbet shill.	[04:16]
s3gfault	kakobrekla is just a bitbet shill	[04:17]
pankkake	s3gfault: I don't talk to people with macbooks, they obviously don't know how to manage their finances properly	[04:17]
kakobrekla	lol true dat	[04:17]
dub	he makes a good point	[04:17]
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asciilifeform	and what about macbook with human leather keyboard cover?	[04:18]
s3gfault	pankkake is a bitbet shill	[04:18]
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pankkake	well, bitbet is scamming me too	[04:18]
pankkake	cause I got 0 :(	[04:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]	[04:18]
s3gfault	pankkake: who has a macbook? you?	[04:18]
kakobrekla	( s3gfault )/( ~macbook@bas2-toronto09-1176443948.dsl.bell.ca )	[04:18]
dub	canadian to boo(o)t	[04:19]
dub	moosecocks and macbooks	[04:19]
s3gfault	pankkake: i dont talk to people who are stupid enough to think that their ident describes what hardware they're using.... gullible fools	[04:19]
kakobrekla	oh wait is this your real name, Mr. Macbook?	[04:19]
kakobrekla	your parents must be real smart	[04:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]	[04:19]
pankkake	well you're running Mac OS at least	[04:19]
s3gfault	kakobrekla is a bitbet shill	[04:19]
pankkake	well, I hope	[04:19]
dub	his username on his AIX IRC workstation is marcbook	[04:20]
s3gfault	pankkake: nope. spoofing packet headers	[04:20]
dub	oh dear	[04:20]
pankkake	LOL	[04:20]
s3gfault	pankkake is just a bitbet shill	[04:20]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to kakobrekla	[04:20]
dub	we don't take kindly to spoof around here	[04:20]
*	kakobrekla has changed the topic to: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading \| kakobrekla is a bitbet shill	[04:20]
pankkake	I confirmed by ctcp version, you have nothing to spoof	[04:20]
kakobrekla	now you dont have to repeat that any more	[04:20]
kakobrekla	mkay?	[04:20]
*	kakobrekla removes channel operator status from kakobrekla	[04:20]
s3gfault	kakobrekla: thanks, at least you're honest	[04:20]
pankkake	though it's easy to force irssi to return something else	[04:20]
kakobrekla	and you are stupid.	[04:20]
pankkake	of course he's honest	[04:20]
s3gfault	you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet	[04:21]
s3gfault	very sad	[04:21]
dub	guys chill, don't get the hacker angry	[04:21]
jurov`	s3gfault: don't forget me, i'm not a shill but a s.bbet dealer	[04:21]
kakobrekla	he is the worst	[04:21]
kakobrekla	sprading the stolen funds	[04:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.43834142 = 3.0684 BTC [+] {3}	[04:21]
s3gfault	ICBIT is putting MPEX to shame. only idiots would ever use MPEX	[04:21]
kakobrekla	taking off fees	[04:21]
kakobrekla	pft!	[04:21]
pankkake	oh you're that guy too	[04:21]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, what's the link to the golden topic again please	[04:22]
s3gfault	pankkake keeps track of people who type in here , because he's here that often	[04:22]
s3gfault	very sad	[04:22]
kakobrekla	lmao	[04:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43979999 = 0.8796 BTC [+]	[04:22]
pankkake	actually it's pretty sad	[04:22]
s3gfault	are havelock AM shares 1/100?	[04:22]
pankkake	Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0	[04:22]
s3gfault	or whole shares?	[04:22]
Apocalyptic	i'm in for some more lulz	[04:23]
Apocalyptic	thanks pankkake	[04:23]
pankkake	s3gfault: both. AM1, AM100. pretty explicit	[04:23]
s3gfault	pankkake you're on ignore because you're a bitbet shill.	[04:23]
kakobrekla	how do you know he wrote then	[04:23]
s3gfault	so, AM is still off its 4BTC/share high?	[04:23]
kakobrekla	LULZ	[04:24]
pankkake	he can ignore me after typing	[04:24]
kakobrekla	thank you log!	[04:24]
kakobrekla	!b 10	[04:24]
assbot	Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1483025/plain/)	[04:24]
s3gfault	kakobrekla: sucessfull troll is successful	[04:24]
kakobrekla	too late	[04:24]
kakobrekla	you didnt make it in the bash	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	sooo	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	someone said my name ?	[04:24]
pankkake	won't do you much good as you come here just a few minutes every few days or so	[04:24]
s3gfault	OMFG here's the theif himself!!!!	[04:24]
kakobrekla	shills are running low on funds MP, pay up	[04:25]
s3gfault	obvoiusly bitbet doesn't realize that bad PR means bad business	[04:25]
pankkake	is the web submit of bash working? I think I submitted stuff that never appeared	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	is this the snackman guy or the tiberius guy ?	[04:25]
pankkake	or perhaps it was found unfunny :(	[04:25]
s3gfault	i have 1000 shells with different IP's. im am l33t hax0r. this is actually a bot htat will come in here daily saying that bitbet is a scam	[04:26]
pankkake	don't think snackman would mention icbit	[04:26]
s3gfault	f33r my l33t hax0ring sk1llz	[04:26]
kakobrekla	pankkake unfortunatley it must go through my fuckedup funny filter, maybe i should find a helping hand	[04:26]
s3gfault	i know how to use SSH	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake or be in toronto.	[04:27]
kakobrekla	its one of the 1000 shells	[04:27]
s3gfault	u guys are such n00bs. 'omfg his IP says hes in toronto, he must actaully be there' 0000000fmz0gm lol	[04:27]
kakobrekla	he just told you doh!	[04:27]
dub	its a shell with spoofed packets man	[04:27]
s3gfault	yeah you guys are soooooooo dumb	[04:27]
s3gfault	oooooofmzgozmg	[04:27]
dub	the sad thing here is this guy is not actuall 8 years old	[04:28]
s3gfault	who would want to live in that icebox anyway?	[04:28]
kakobrekla	wait are we typing random characters now?	[04:28]
kakobrekla	i can do that too	[04:28]
kakobrekla	gx	[04:28]
kakobrekla	any good?	[04:28]
kakobrekla	hows the entropy on that	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	that read like bitcoin codebase	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	oops i mean, standard.	[04:28]
Apocalyptic	hows the entropy on that // pretty bad	[04:28]
s3gfault	i'm a l33t hax0r. i can use SCREEN and SSH. I watched a youtube video that showed me how. I also am a master at metasploit. be careful.	[04:28]
kakobrekla	dammit :(	[04:28]
Apocalyptic	better get some cardano	[04:28]
s3gfault	i have backtrack5	[04:28]
kakobrekla	i will	[04:28]
s3gfault	i bet you guys dont' even know what backtrack is. its only for l33t hax0rs.	[04:29]
dub	you know whats leet	[04:29]
s3gfault	bitbet is a scam. and theives	[04:29]
dub	huwawei shit doesnt have traceroute	[04:29]
dub	it has tracert	[04:29]
dub	leetest of all hacking tools	[04:30]
s3gfault	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0 PROOF that BITBET is a scam and will steal your bitcoins	[04:30]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[04:30]
s3gfault	i will post this daily from one of my l33t ssh sh3lls	[04:30]
s3gfault	i'm a l33t hax0r	[04:30]
kakobrekla	make it hourly then	[04:30]
s3gfault	kakobrekla: just put it in the topic, and i wont have to bother	[04:31]
Apocalyptic	lulz	[04:31]
kakobrekla	ok	[04:31]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to kakobrekla	[04:31]
Apocalyptic	he already admited to be a shill	[04:31]
Apocalyptic	one step at a time dude	[04:31]
*	kakobrekla sets ban on !@bas2-toronto09-1176443948.dsl.bell.ca	[04:31]
*	kakobrekla has kicked s3gfault from #bitcoin-assets (bye)	[04:31]
*	kakobrekla removes channel operator status from kakobrekla	[04:31]
pankkake	no THIS shows bitbet is a scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252224.0	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	lmao @dork examining diffie.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	"o, you have no phd. please say this matters so i can continue believing i've not wasted my time and money"	[04:32]
pankkake	?	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	pankkake earlier linked material, some laughable company sueing people because it thinks it invented rsa	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	or some such shit.	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: My favorite part was the incomplete and incromprehensible paper where someone hypothesized the possibility of Public key infrastructure being the same as Diffe inventing PKI and releasing it to the public, where... it could be recorded and documented as prior art...	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	in a few years everyone will be all "we do not recognise the authority of any us court" and i'll be all like "you dorks, mpex beat you by a few years again"	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo myeah.	[04:34]
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mjr_	i don't really recognize any courts authority	[04:35]
mjr_	;)	[04:35]
mjr_	i mean...i was talking to my friend, and he said that he didn't get a gun because it was illegal	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	josh's got a gun	[04:36]
mjr_	i said...if it was >51% likely that someone was going to break into your home, would you get a gun? he said yeah	[04:36]
mjr_	lol	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	his whole world came undone	[04:36]
KRS1	o/ mjr_	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	from lookin' straight at the sun	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	what is josh gonna do...	[04:36]
mjr_	so...i don't think anyone recognizes their authority, they just do cost benefit calculation as to whether they will get caught and how much it would cost	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah it's wp. i think it's idiotic but meh, never sat down to bash it into sense	[04:37]
mjr_	nice song mircea_popescu	[04:37]
dub	are there stats on what outcome having a gun has when you get robbed?	[04:37]
mjr_	i'm not sure	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	dub yes. you get fed the gun.	[04:37]
mjr_	i personally don't want or need a gun	[04:37]
dub	I'd guess it makes you more likely to get dead instead of just robbed	[04:37]
mjr_	maybe...	[04:37]
mjr_	im just saying...if you wanted a gun, you simply tally up your "desire" for the gun vs the "cost" of the gun	[04:38]
mjr_	and courts simply put EV costs on your decision	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	but this isn't what we're discussing here.	[04:38]
mjr_	ah	[04:38]
cazalla	fuck, i'd hate to have purchased mcxnow shares only for them to shut down now ha	[04:38]
mjr_	ok	[04:38]
dub	whats the incentive to get a gun though	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	the brokedness of the us legal system is a matter of principle not of cost.	[04:38]
mjr_	that is my point	[04:38]
mjr_	they have zero moral authority	[04:38]
dub	wtf is moral authority	[04:38]
mjr_	it is simply the threat of punishment and repression that causes people to obey	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	dub same incentive as getting a waffle maker. if you make a lot of waffles	[04:39]
mjr_	ok...let's say that the US joins world war 2...to stop hitler or whatever	[04:39]
mjr_	most people say, I can see why you did that...nice job	[04:39]
mjr_	lets say we drone civilians in pakistan, most people do not say good job anymore	[04:39]
dub	most germans probably don't say that, nor japs	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	kleeck: Is DPR the monster they say he is? << more like the retard.	[04:40]
dub	I'd guess >5! of humans possibly not down with that either	[04:40]
dub	>51%	[04:40]
dub	arabs and such	[04:40]
mjr_	lol, yeah...germany is not our biggest fan, and japanese don't wear american clothes and listen to american music	[04:40]
mjr_	i mean, obviously merkle was a little annoyed we spy on her	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	since when is this entire headcount important anyway ?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	the rich people no longer like the us. end of fucking story.	[04:41]
cazalla	so mcxNOW IPO'd to get funds to grow the service but are now shutting down due to that growth	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	what some goat herder in bumfuck thinks on the matter is about as relevant as what his goats think.	[04:41]
kakobrekla	lolwat	[04:41]
cazalla	check the front page https://mcxnow.com/	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you seriously need to stop throwing btc at forum crap.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/	[04:41]
cazalla	i'm not invested in mcxnow	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	chedck that shit out.	[04:42]
dub	I only go to websites that existed yesterday	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	cazalla a ok, good for you.	[04:42]
cazalla	i just enjoy reading about all these schemes	[04:42]
kakobrekla	but it said 1 million users supported!!!!!11	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	can't blame ya.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	they're all the best ever.	[04:42]
cazalla	but i think this one takes the cake	[04:42]
dub	dailycaller.com sounds legit	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	there's plenty of cake...	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	dub but for the humor value!	[04:42]
dub	TRENDING KATHLEEN SEBELIUS \| OBAMACARE \| CLIMATE CHANGE \| KITTENS \| BOSTON RED SOX	[04:43]
dub	quality news thurr	[04:43]
dub	why no chemtrails in that list	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	who's sebelius ?	[04:43]
Apocalyptic	mcxnow closing ?	[04:44]
dub	dunno but alex jones don't like non of that	[04:44]
Apocalyptic	how surprising	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	who's alex jones	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	jeez i don't internet enough or something	[04:45]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOBlvvunIvE is all you need to know about alex jones	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	i hope this will be at least as good as the tom cruise oprah tyhing	[04:45]
dub	alex jones shares most of your opinions mp	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	dub: Look what your link to http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ inspired me to do http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/25/a-new-look-for-bingo-blog/	[04:45]
dub	surprised you don't have him on speed dial	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	fat blond guy that reads trilema ?	[04:46]
dub	BingoBoingo: very nice	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	magellan had three ships	[04:46]
dub	BingoBoingo: not sure about the shading under your navbar though, a bit flashy imo	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	dub: Well, I figure one bit of change in the background to separate the header from everything else is at least utilitarian	[04:47]
dub	some nasty UTF-8 action in there too, the devils work	[04:47]
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BingoBoingo	Also HTML 5 and microformats	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	no css ?	[04:48]
kakobrekla	now it looks better than trilema	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	Eh, if animated GIFs can make a comeback so can unstyled HTML	[04:49]
nubbins`	style is an illusion	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla it's only natural for people to surpass me in time.	[04:50]
*	BingoBoingo still needs to work the ability to expose the socialism embedded in the writings of others.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	for any value of others equal to icons of outrageous rightness	[04:52]
nubbins`	did you know that there's no such crime as "non-state torture" on the books in canada?	[04:52]
nubbins`	unless it's some government, the highest it goes is aggravated assault	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	the same is true pretty much everywhere.	[04:53]
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nubbins`	interesting, did not know	[04:55]
nubbins`	came up during this Dustin Paxton case	[04:55]
nubbins`	http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/torturer-dustin-paxton-smirks-as-his-brain-injured-former-roommate-gives-victim-impact-statement/	[04:55]
ozbot	Torturer Dustin Paxton smirks as his brain-injured former roommate gives victim impact statement \|	[04:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43979999 BTC [+]	[04:58]
dub	the humanity	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	"He has 44 convictions, mostly property offences but including six assaults, in 20 years."	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	dude what ?	[04:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1244 @ 0.00212 = 2.6373 BTC [-]	[04:59]
dub	only the state is alowed to torture, my rights	[04:59]
dub	im going to have to dig a libertarian hole in the ground and live in it	[05:00]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: seems a good candidate for rehabilitation, no?	[05:00]
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dub	great	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah, he should be sentenced to live with dub,	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	who can treat him by the magical power of sarcasm	[05:01]
dub	so you don't want to pay taxes but you need someone to lock up bad people and keep them away from you	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	it fixed everything else, why not this dude.	[05:01]
dub	ideology checks out	[05:01]
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nubbins`	people don't want to pay taxes?!	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	stop interfering with the strawmans you're messing up the sarcasm flux and this complicates making the world a better place.	[05:04]
nubbins`	ooh shit	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	now we can't have any progress or heavy cream because of you	[05:04]
nubbins`	i like my coffee black anyway	[05:05]
nubbins`	although i've never tried progress in coffee	[05:05]
pankkake	progress in coffee?	[05:06]
dub	www.examiner.com/article/black-man-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-his-own-job	[05:06]
pankkake	anyway, when you go black you don't go back	[05:06]
dub	lol	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know s.mg is actually just about at par ?	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	o the pt. nm.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	s3gfault: i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives << i can't believe someone actualyl believes this.	[05:10]
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pankkake	so basically the mcxnow story is 1) issue very few shares 2) pump it to death 3) issue "ipo" that does not finish but raise millions 4) "oh well, site is too successeful so this is too much work, site closing"	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03699902 = 0.407 BTC [+] {2}	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	wait. this log is fucken golden	[05:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00369482 = 0.9237 BTC [+] {5}	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	literally five minutes after he had just done a lot of damage on reddit.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	and i bet you he votes.	[05:16]
pankkake	votes?	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	Democracy is broken	[05:16]
pankkake	oh also for mcxnow: trading stopped except for shares	[05:16]
nubbins`	oh, apparently that torture victim was a witness in a hell's angels trial some years ago	[05:17]
pankkake	well if you vote you don't really understand math, anyway. not surprising given the person	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	it'd be pretty funny if icbit, cryptowhateveritwas, mcxnow, blabla all the 10 or so of the things get together and trade each other's shares.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	in about three weeks the explosion of drama would put the bitfinex boom to shame.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	o ya, picostocks. remember picostocks ?	[05:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00195879 = 0.4486 BTC [-] {7}	[05:18]
nubbins`	vaguely	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	it's the scamsite that launched a mega-giga-ultra huge mining fund	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	with basic tom's hardware	[05:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00193984 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {2}	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	who then ran away wioth the money, costing them about 1-2mn dollars at that time	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	which they somehow magically just shrugged off, cause no big deal,	[05:19]
kakobrekla	lol stop reading my other screen	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	and made an even larger imaginary purchase off some other producer	[05:20]
kakobrekla	i got toms hardware open	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	this was going to be delivered about 6 months ago.	[05:20]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: somehow I misted your trust feedbacks. added to my trust settings!	[05:20]
pankkake	love the feedback for Obama	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	buzzdave (the basic frontman) was being pissed all over by mpoe-pr in like... july ?	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	and it's still going.	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	like the bggb woman or w/e.	[05:20]
pankkake	I have one guy who has hilarious ones: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51184	[05:20]
dub	;;getrating obama	[05:20]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[05:20]
dub	;;gettrust obama	[05:21]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user dub to user obama: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dub&dest=obama \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=obama \| Rated since: never	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	Thank you pankkake, sometimes I try.	[05:22]
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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311527.0 by the way	[05:24]
ozbot	DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, having a horde of idiots is worse.	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: DefaultTrust is just a user account on BitcoinTalk. Leave them some negative feedback.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	if it weren't for default trust they'd have no trust at all, as vast majority of "community members" couldn't figure it out	[05:25]
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pankkake	by the way, I still have a +1 for TradeFortress because of PR :D	[05:25]
dub	wat is defaulttrust?	[05:27]
dub	googol fails me	[05:27]
pankkake	by default you trust some users on bitcointalk	[05:28]
pankkake	in their web of trust	[05:28]
dub	lolwat	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	dub theymos coded the forum wot so that everyone starts by trusting him	[05:28]
pankkake	more like a pyramid than a web	[05:28]
dub	oh forum wot, wat	[05:28]
dub	exaclty why are fucks given	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	this was part of the forum upgrades for which all those donated 4k btc went	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	or anyway, could be.	[05:29]
frb	lol, i was just reading this thread about the bitbet "scam". it's incredible how many ignorant people own bitcoin and lose them constantly	[05:29]
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dub	it starts out incredible, as time passes it just is	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah. the funny part is where they imagine that because they bought some bitcoin they can now opine on how bitcoin runs.	[05:30]
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dub	the first rule of bitcoin is that idiots will have them	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	roughly the equivalent of some dork redecorating a call girl's den because if he's going to spend an hour there he needs feng shui	[05:31]
frb	that thread is one of the most amusing on bitcointalk to date	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	imo there were better.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	tho i can't remember	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, the pietilla shit.	[05:32]
pankkake	it's actually amazing to see people managed to have 200 btc but then gave them to crappy scams	[05:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[05:33]
pankkake	I blame GPU mining	[05:33]
frb	pankkake: i know. like coinlenders. it's just proof really that a fool and his money are soon parted	[05:33]
frb	just with bitcoin it tends to be a lot of money in a short period	[05:33]
pankkake	well, labcoin, pretty much everything on cryptostocks, etc	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	at least they snuck an ignore mpoe=pr in there because in between t when they stioll had it and t+2 weeks when they no longer had it she had the unmitigated audacity to link them to like, the 2012 personal responsibility thread	[05:34]
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nubbins`	heh, yahoo internal mail describes MS Outlook as an 'anachronism of the now defunct 90s PC era, a pre-web program written at a time when NT Server terrorized the data center landscape with the confidence of a T-Rex born to yuppie dinosaur parents who fully bought into the illusion of their son's utter uniqueness because the big-mouthed, tiny-armed monster infant could mimic the gestures of The	[05:42]
nubbins`	Itsy-Bitsy Pterodactyl.'	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	doesn't sound very internal.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	unless it was written by the world famous punk accountants	[05:43]
dub	they should try notes	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	(http://www.austintown.k12.oh.us/~aust_tr/homework/quickfiles/Cartoons/punk%20accountants.bmp)	[05:43]
dub	its not even email	[05:43]
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nubbins`	shush about notes, i had to use it for 3 years at my last job	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many people who see the trilema comic sans realise that this means that 1. they had no better fonts and 2. they had comic sans.	[05:46]
nubbins`	oh, look at that	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	the definition is font-family: 'Comic Sans MS' even, so it doesn't even work if you're using some linux font named "Comic Sans"	[05:47]
pankkake	you trolled me :/	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake verily.	[05:48]
pankkake	well it's package corefonts in my distro. I think many packages require it	[05:49]
pankkake	I have an excuse!	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that being that you use a distro made by lame fontppl	[05:49]
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mike_c	wait, its not because we don't have better fonts. comic sans ms is first. so you are weeding us out up front.	[05:50]
nubbins`	pankkake: grains are bad for you?	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you could have your own defaults.	[05:50]
pankkake	actually I can probably block it with INSTALL_MASK	[05:50]
nubbins`	i just rename papyrus to comic sans ms	[05:50]
pankkake	nubbins`: according to paleo and other diets yes	[05:50]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` pankkake : yes, because of aflatoxins	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	probably tyhe most widely ingested carcinogen on planet earth.	[05:51]
nubbins`	paleo diet, that sounds trendy	[05:51]
pankkake	milk definitively is a bad idea to give to everyone	[05:51]
nubbins`	lots of people can't digest dairy	[05:51]
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pankkake	well some cheeses are easier, but cow milk is probably the hardest	[05:51]
nubbins`	my wife can't eat cow cheese anymore, but goat cheese is fine	[05:52]
nubbins`	there's also this odd lactose-free cow cheese that's fine	[05:52]
nubbins`	melts funny tho :(	[05:52]
pankkake	I have a hard time with the taste of goat anything	[05:53]
nubbins`	nod, texture is odd too	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	goats are sorta like small cows with springs anyway	[05:53]
pankkake	also, one day I saw a goat eat shit directly out of another goat's anus	[05:53]
nubbins`	hahahahaha	[05:53]
nubbins`	so, a dog with hooves	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	more like a cat with wool and square eyes	[05:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0369833 = 0.2219 BTC [-] {2}	[05:54]
nubbins`	nah, cats don't eat turds	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	you never seen cats much	[05:54]
nubbins`	my cat doesn't, anyway	[05:54]
nubbins`	dogs, on the other hand, will eat anything	[05:54]
nubbins`	puke, shit, rocks, whatever	[05:54]
nubbins`	idiots	[05:54]
mod6	^^^	[05:54]
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nubbins`	whenever my friend brings his dog over, she makes a beeline for the litter box and devours any turds or piss-soaked rocks that are present	[05:55]
nubbins`	how the fuck does behaviour like that evolve?	[05:55]
mod6	srsly. wtf is with that.	[05:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03699999 = 0.222 BTC [+]	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	maybe your friend's dogfood is that bad ?	[05:56]
nubbins`	maybe, i don't think this is an unusual case tho	[05:56]
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mircea_popescu	cats will eat placenta, which makes them about as weird as french women	[05:56]
nubbins`	hey, nutrients!	[05:56]
mod6	yikes	[05:56]
nubbins`	there was a woman in my city who offered a service where she'd prepare your placenta for consumption	[05:57]
mod6	ahem pass the gravy.	[05:57]
nubbins`	she just cooked it in her oven at home	[05:57]
nubbins`	ground it and put it into capsules	[05:57]
nubbins`	i can only assume animals eat it because it's nutrient-rich, not sure about humans	[05:58]
mod6	vitamin-v	[05:58]
nubbins`	vitamin hey i just queefed out a kid, let's eat the messy leftovers	[05:59]
mod6	you get the forks and knives, i'll get the blowtorch	[05:59]
nubbins`	make a nice flambé	[06:00]
mod6	haha.	[06:00]
nubbins`	"i can't decide between the placenta flambé and the cum brulée"	[06:00]
mod6	"hey mircea, grab the custard!"	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	i already cut it	[06:02]
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cazalla	apparently it helps with postnatal depression	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/607/peercoin-to-rise-above-0-002-bitcoin-each-before/#c1880	[06:05]
ozbot	BitBet - Peercoin to rise above 0.002 Bitcoin each before Nov 30th	[06:05]
cazalla	that is to say that women that take placenta capsules are less likely to suffer from postnatal depression	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	check out all the doods playing dangerously with their 0.02 btc	[06:06]
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pankkake	oh, I was wondering if they really did that	[06:06]
pankkake	I didn't check the date, usually I do because I hate those	[06:06]
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pankkake	they really deserve a higher fee :D	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	let em have fun.	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/557/arnold-rothstein-will-die-by-seasons-end-on/	[06:07]
ozbot	BitBet - Arnold Rothstein will die by season's end on Boardwalk Empire	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	check out the guy betting at 291 weight	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	bitbet scam thread gold #2 ?	[06:07]
cazalla	i thought he would	[06:07]
pankkake	well there was that old one I linked	[06:07]
cazalla	guess it'll be next season	[06:08]
pankkake	and the guy commented on http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ too	[06:08]
pankkake	lose 0.0001, spend a few hours talking about it.	[06:08]
nubbins`	redefine the word "scam" while you're at it	[06:08]
nubbins`	i ordered a pizza and it didn't have enough mushrooms, scam	[06:09]
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nubbins`	smoking gave me cancer, scam	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	call 911	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	Yeah, Bitbet is a scam. Run a search on TRILEMMA and you can see them banter. They sound like a bunch of assholes with just enough education to think they are better, but not enough to be successful.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	can't believe the guy misspelled his search term.	[06:10]
pankkake	> not enough education to be successful	[06:12]
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nubbins`	heheheh	[06:13]
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pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires	[06:14]
ozbot	List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:14]
pankkake	lol, there is even a list	[06:14]
pankkake	The average net worth of billionaires who dropped out of college, $9.4 billion, is approximately triple that of billionaires with Ph.D.s, $3.2 billion.	[06:15]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	who knew his argument is that broken./	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	not only i'm overeducated and pretty close to that billion, but it seems it even correlates inversely.	[06:17]
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mircea_popescu	way to go john q public, you got more things wrong than there even were on the test!	[06:17]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347008.0	[06:31]
ozbot	The Official MCXNOW - REALSOLID SCAM Thread - Please add to this if u scammed.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	wait a minute. the mcxnow was related to the realsolid guy ?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	that latter day dank ?!	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	bwahahahahaa	[06:31]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, he started it because no one wanted to list his abandoncoin.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe someone bought that.	[06:38]
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mike_c	$32 for an audiobook? really?	[06:47]
pankkake	why buy it?	[06:47]
mike_c	tpb doesn't seem to have a lot of audiobooks.	[06:47]
pankkake	if it's not too private, I can search for it in some other place	[06:48]
mike_c	ah, found it. thanks though.	[06:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00374 = 0.1683 BTC [+]	[06:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00180676 = 0.8564 BTC [-] {13}	[06:58]
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drmandude	I just won a bet, but ended up with less than I bet...	[06:58]
drmandude	is that normal	[06:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 977 @ 0.00173459 = 1.6947 BTC [-] {8}	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	drmandude did you bet relatively late ?	[06:59]
drmandude	probabl	[06:59]
drmandude	y	[06:59]
drmandude	just seems kinda like a buzz kill to lose money on winning a bet	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	drmandude: That weight is a dangerous thing... BitBet has that calculator on the page for a reason...	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	well yeah, i guess it is a buzz kill.	[07:00]
drmandude	Still. You'd think you'd get out at least what you put in	[07:01]
drmandude	for winning	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	well, bitbet takes 1%. if you don't get at least 1% from the winnings pool, you walk out short.	[07:01]
pankkake	Arnold Rothstein bet?	[07:02]
drmandude	yeahhh	[07:02]
drmandude	i also bet on some others	[07:02]
drmandude	this was just the first to come in	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	lol hi there. you were mentioned in despatches earlier.	[07:02]
drmandude	rothstein isn't killed by anyone in BW empire so I was like...f no is he dying	[07:02]
pankkake	yeah, we actually predicted you!	[07:02]
drmandude	Sorry I'm a noob to this. Not trying to make trouble :-)	[07:03]
pankkake	well the issue was both weight and really few Yes	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	drmandude the idea here is, that if a bet runs for say a month, and you put 1 btc when it opens, some dude betting like 3 weeks later can't get as much as you do of the winnings	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	so there's a weight, by time.	[07:03]
drmandude	totes makes sense	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	the result of this is that if you bet very late you may end up with like a <1% loss	[07:03]
drmandude	i misinterpreted the calculations on my end	[07:03]
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drmandude	i got nervous because bitbet has some some bad press	[07:04]
drmandude	im sure you saw a few twitterss	[07:04]
drmandude	but then it just showed up	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	i don't follow twitter actually.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	the girl makes btctalk reports which i occasionalyl read.	[07:04]
drmandude	they were talking on bitcointalk and reddit	[07:04]
pankkake	you probably don't want to bet on anything that doesn't get you at least a few percents, not worth the risk of losing vs. winning	[07:04]
drmandude	im realizing that. I was getting the hang of it.	[07:04]
pankkake	yeah, it's fun	[07:05]
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BingoBoingo	drmandude: This problem is why I prefer shooting from the hip and betting as close to open as possible and then defending my stake as other people bet.	[07:05]
drmandude	consequenrtly, this conversation just happened	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	drmandude you can easily verify it pays because well... go to an opld bet, click on the payout links	[07:05]
pankkake	I'm happy with my last month despite mostly losing :D	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	you see the payouts on blockchain	[07:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/446/novak-djokovic-to-win-at-wimbledon-2013/ << back in may! different set of haters then!	[07:05]
ozbot	BitBet - Novak Djokovic to win at Wimbledon 2013	[07:05]
drmandude	yeah mircea_popescu the issue was some idiots without confirmation or payout addresses that expire and call foul at bitbet	[07:05]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: "defending my stake"?	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	drmandude yeah.	[07:06]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Yeah, curating the odds, hedging on the other side if someone dumps a large bet that skews things.	[07:06]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2190824#msg2190824 wow this is SO OFFENSIVE	[07:06]
ozbot	bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products	[07:06]
drmandude	so you guys predicted me, the guy that lost money on a win, to come complain?	[07:06]
drmandude	:-)	[07:06]
pankkake	I mean, I am offended, I am a tech person.	[07:07]
pankkake	hehe	[07:07]
drmandude	you have every right to be	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#392517	[07:07]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	drmandude ^	[07:07]
pankkake	drmandude: I want to send you 0.0006969 BTC	[07:08]
pankkake	wow it even has two 69. magic	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i imagine she got a buncha people's small cow with springs by that comment.	[07:09]
pankkake	wow so that thread was about claiming that BFL delivered	[07:10]
pankkake	LOL	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	yup	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	actually. that thread was about claiming that bitbet is a scam because bfl delivered and bitbet resolved the bet WRONGLY!!!	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	course bfl hasn't delivered yet	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	but that's ok, because while bitbet is still here, the "community" of one is gone,	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	to be replaced by a different "community" of one.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/#comment-91934 pankkake that's a pretty lol comment in retrospect.	[07:20]
ozbot	They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	i suppose mpoe-pr should give the 10 bitcoin guy the buttcoin picture and make it all even.	[07:20]
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pankkake	I'd love to be that guy	[07:21]
pankkake	"best investment in my life: putting stuff in my ass"	[07:22]
kakobrekla	from ass to asset	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	The Buttcoin will probably go down in history with the Bitcoin Pizza http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/ I imagine fresh buttcoins are probably down to 0.01-0.05 BTC	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	pankkake ironically, all teh peeps ranting about how bitbet is a smalltime this that and the other,	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	blissfully ignorant of good stuff like this.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	it really helps my lols.	[07:25]
pankkake	if I had bitcoins to spare I'd probably spend my days doing similar stuff	[07:27]
pankkake	people will do anything for a few coins	[07:27]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261119.0 was fun enough	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you probably also missed out on	[07:27]
ozbot	[QRK] QuarkCoin giveaway - 26k to donate	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	;;google valiant prince mp echo chambers	[07:27]
gribble	gorilla vs. bear's albums of 2012: ; Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: ; From Valiant, The Final Warning - nesara:	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	something awful got incredibly bothered that their "bitcoin buys nothing irl" winner argument got sunk by "here's tits, here's ass lol"	[07:28]
pankkake	why is it so long	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	it's the length that makes it good.	[07:28]
pankkake	(that's what she said)	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.	[07:29]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c yes they autoexercise.	[12:19]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/	[12:22]
ozbot	BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	as anon says, this thread is motherfucking epic.	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	people who bet no early stand a chance to see even 10x their bet.	[12:22]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake you'll have to write-up the many advantages being anon has for me sometime.	[12:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4249 = 1.2747 BTC [-]	[12:30]
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cazalla	world cup should bring some interesting bets next year	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[12:36]
cazalla	would a prop bet on the outcome of a player collapsing and dying on the pitch from natural causes be a bad bet?	[12:39]
cazalla	not really inciting violence if it's heart or drug related	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah but still.	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	i suppose if you don't name any person it should be fine	[12:41]
cazalla	resolves yes if any player from any team collapses and dies on or later off pitch during world cup 2014	[12:42]
cazalla	would need to be worded better i guess	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	especially because everyone will die later	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	also, too early to start that sort of wc bet now, because the interval nov 2013 - june 2014 or w/e it starts is just dead air	[12:44]
cazalla	and they would be declared dead after being taken off the pitch and to hospital	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	so you'll end up in june with low weight and people not wanting to bet.	[12:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00179999 = 0.4644 BTC [+] {2}	[13:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00199488 = 0.1755 BTC [+] {2}	[13:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.00199494 = 0.5506 BTC [+] {4}	[13:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.00199499 = 0.2953 BTC [+] {3}	[13:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]	[13:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]	[13:41]
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bitesak	;;ticker	[13:45]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 865.10001, Best ask: 868.989, Bid-ask spread: 3.88899, Last trade: 868.989, 24 hour volume: 28551.92748968, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 830.89783	[13:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2820 @ 0.00056769 = 1.6009 BTC [+] {2}	[13:50]
jurov`	http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ you re famous and notorious nao	[13:51]
ozbot	bitbet.us	[13:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 31680 @ 0.00074565 = 23.6222 BTC [+] {3}	[13:51]
jurov`	^^ lol i did not time this :D	[13:52]
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Venat	For I have returned	[13:52]
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mircea_popescu	ha	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	$vwap s.bbet	[13:53]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00073111 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00055 volume: 34500 btc: 25.2233 7 day: average: 0.00067992 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 42645 btc: 28.995025 30 day: average: 0.00067537 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 66542 btc: 44.94034702	[13:53]
Venat	mircea_popescu, good morning lad	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	hi.	[13:53]
Venat	former Tulak:	[13:53]
Venat	_	[13:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	o i see, someone's made a buncha bets too	[13:53]
Venat	;;ticker	[13:54]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 869.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28661.26816051, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 831.17248	[13:54]
Venat	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347383.0	[13:55]
ozbot	Can someone explain these charts? :)	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	shaping up to be bitbet's best month to date or some shit.	[13:55]
Venat	facepalm. someone bought bitcoins on kraken.com and wants the candles explained	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	well, he does state he's using a little capital.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	in that sense bitcoin is great, cheapest finance teaching tool available.	[13:56]
Venat	true	[13:57]
Venat	man, newbie prison is awesome	[13:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]	[13:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]	[13:58]
Venat	;;ud snatch	[14:00]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snatch \| 2. snatch. The second most horrific sounding nickname for the human female's genitals(after cunt). ... "Yo Jeff, I lost my arm in your Grandma's snatch last night!".	[14:00]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: snatch	[14:00]
Venat	just expanding my horizon	[14:01]
Venat	;;ud snitch	[14:01]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snitch \| 1. A person who tells on someone. 2. A bum of a person.	[14:01]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: snitch	[14:01]
Venat	not at all	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	you know you can expand your horizon in the privacy of your own broswer.	[14:05]
Venat	ok.............	[14:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]	[14:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.391 BTC [-]	[14:12]
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bitesak	seems mpex has not been quoting options for a few days now?	[14:39]
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kleeck	Oh shit.	[14:52]
kleeck	You guys see this?	[14:52]
kleeck	http://cryptosource.org/mcxnow-shutting-down/	[14:52]
ozbot	mcxNOW Shutting Down? WOW \| CryptoSource	[14:52]
BigBitz	If those reasons are legit then it makes sense.	[14:53]
BigBitz	he wants to ensure quality/support over the long term. Small shut down to regain himself might help.	[14:53]
bitesak	what?	[14:53]
kleeck	Really? It's legit to open an exchange, raise money for shares of your exchange, and then close down because, "Oh, I have to support this?"	[14:53]
BigBitz	Hasn't he said he's returning the coins?	[14:54]
BigBitz	or have I grossly misread that?	[14:54]
kleeck	I haven't read anything about mcxFees yet.	[14:54]
bitesak	grossly misunderstood	[14:54]
BigBitz	Hmm to me he wants an opportunity to overhaul it - naiveity might be strong in me this morning though.........	[14:55]
bitesak	he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them	[14:55]
kleeck	So anyone who has shares in mxcFEE is boned for up to 3months.	[14:55]
BigBitz	Oh that's lame.	[14:55]
BigBitz	LRN2HIRE.	[14:56]
BigBitz	No doubt...	[14:56]
BigBitz	Nejc from Bitstamp uses only his close friends and all are local - no people from outside Slovenia in his team.	[14:57]
BigBitz	Wise man...	[14:57]
Apocalyptic	lulz BigBitz	[14:57]
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Apocalyptic	can't believe you're saying mcxNOW is legit	[14:57]
BigBitz	I am?	[14:57]
BigBitz	Where did I say that?	[14:57]
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kleeck	Yeah. How much did he make @ IPO of mcxFEE?	[14:58]
Apocalyptic	you didn't say it exactly word for word, but it's the impression you male	[14:58]
Apocalyptic	*make	[14:58]
bitesak	by inferring the reasons put forth can be legit	[14:58]
kleeck	I'm not familiar with RealSolid's history, but it seems that he has done similar things in the past.	[14:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]	[14:58]
Apocalyptic	kleeck, he raised some millions I believe	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	bitesak yeah, trouble getting teh price signals.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	kleeck yeah yest or w/e	[14:59]
Apocalyptic	yeah, the MicroCash story	[14:59]
kleeck	Apocalyptic, if only you could get help for under one million...	[14:59]
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BigBitz	scan reading an article and saying "if those reasons are legit" isn't exactly a glowing reference as to how it performs as an Exchange :)	[15:00]
BigBitz	I only know one person who has actually used mcxNow - I haven't :)	[15:00]
kleeck	Even his reasoning makes no sense. "This site is custom built on C++ so no one else can help, need to shut down. Well, the real reason is that I get emails...which no one can help with so... Oh yeah, and IRC complaints. No one can help with those either."	[15:00]
kleeck	Sounds like you need a small helpdesk. One to Two level one techs can deal with all that.	[15:01]
BigBitz	to me it read like he wanted to overhaul it and bring other people in... again - not exactly a glowing reference. His previous reigns didn't exactly pan out well...	[15:01]
kleeck	That's kind of my point BigBitz is the issue the site or the support?	[15:02]
kleeck	He isn't consistent.	[15:02]
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mircea_popescu	he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them << this	[15:02]
BigBitz	kleeck depends I guess... if he wants someone to help him re-write maybe? who knows..... but not returning the actual bitcoins is criminal :D	[15:02]
kleeck	"All existing mcxFEE holders will have the same mcxFEE balance when the site relaunches. I’m allowing people to trade mcxFEE up until December 20th in case they want to exit them."	[15:02]
kleeck	"in case"	[15:02]
kleeck	lol	[15:02]
Apocalyptic	:)	[15:02]
iwilcox	Back when mcx opened people seemed to be treating it like "I don't need ASICs, got me another kind of money-printing machine!" — I suspect some think they have a foot in a door or something and won't sell	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	those same people that refuse to take good advice and do all their "investment" on just dice	[15:04]
iwilcox	Yeah, them.	[15:04]
kleeck	Wow. The dude raised 11000 BTC.	[15:06]
kleeck	I'm sure the rise in BTC price has nothing to do with it.	[15:06]
bitesak	I would like to think that is not true...	[15:06]
kleeck	Surely looking at nearly 9million isn't a factor here.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	kleeck he raised my foot.	[15:07]
bitesak	I mean the 11K raised. Do you have a btc address with some reasonable expectation it is linked to this outfit?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	he raised 30 btc and self traded for the rest in the hopes of seeming like he's got interest	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	the burnside method, tho it was really pioneered by goat on glbse.	[15:08]
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kleeck	No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC.	[15:09]
kleeck	People gave it to him.	[15:09]
kleeck	in exchange for shares of the site.	[15:09]
Apocalyptic	yeah mircea, i don't believe he faked trading on those	[15:09]
Apocalyptic	people were just insane about how innovative it waq	[15:09]
Apocalyptic	*was	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	dude get out, people gave him 11k btc.	[15:09]
kleeck	I haven't done the math. But that's what his forum thread is saying.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	o i see. well if a forum thread says so then that must be it	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	0.0	[15:10]
kleeck	Actually Drawingthesun pretty much called it back a few weeks at IPO close.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	he got ~30 btc from a dozen or so retards.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	the rest is smoke.	[15:11]
kleeck	Haha. First post on the thread: They're not trying to raise money, they're trying to cash out. The site is ready and operational, so it doesn't need to raise additional capital.	[15:12]
kleeck	Prophetic.	[15:12]
kleeck	I mean, he may have padded the share sales, mircea_popescu, but I was chatting with a number of people excited about this site and wanting to invest in it.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	i have chatted with a number of people pissed off at bitbet.	[15:13]
kleeck	I imagine so.	[15:14]
ThickAsThieves	NYT be trollin' http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/render-unto-caesar-but-who-backs-the-bitcoin/	[15:14]
kleeck	But, yeah, there is no way to verify the numbers behind the scenes.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	i think you overestimate the importance of what anon dork says in a chatter box by anywhere between 500 and 54677695 degrees of magnitude.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	yes, there are plenty of ways. just, not accessible to the public.	[15:14]
ThickAsThieves	No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC. <<< that's unlikely	[15:14]
kleeck	This is what we're discussing ThickAsThieves	[15:15]
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ThickAsThieves	oh mp already said that	[15:15]
kleeck	I just conceded that we can't really know outside of what this guy says.	[15:15]
kleeck	I'd say he raised enough to make the venture worthwhile.	[15:15]
ThickAsThieves	it's part of how the scam works	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	kleeck there's multiple ways to know. one is to know all the people who acrually could invest 10k.	[15:15]
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ThickAsThieves	great a huge wave and see who sticks their toes in	[15:15]
kleeck	And he at least paid off his "C++ Web Development for Dummies" book.	[15:16]
ThickAsThieves	create*	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	another is to be one of the visible people to whom people come with questions as to credibility of entrepreneurs.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	a third is to employ a basementful of gnomes to constantly scan the blockchain	[15:16]
ThickAsThieves	i see no cynicism	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	there's ways. just, nothing at the level of where average redditor's resources are.	[15:17]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:17]
kleeck	At this point if you're not a cynic you're not paying attention.	[15:17]
Apocalyptic	mircea, did actually someone ask you about what do you think of RS ?	[15:18]
kleeck	RS? RoadSilk?	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	someone asked me what i think of rs at least each day since the ipo.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	someone asked me what i think of tradehill 2.o so many times i had to write a fucking article about it	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	and etc.	[15:18]
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BigBitz	what do you think about BitBet stealing 10BTC, mircea_popescu? :D	[15:19]
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ThickAsThieves	my first instinct with mcxnow, before the "IPO" was that it's a scam, then once the IPO came I did like 3min of research to discover the guy was indeed shady	[15:19]
BigBitz	yeah ThickAsThieves as I said ^^ his other reigns were interesting...	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3713720#msg3713720	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	that dude. he pretty much has it.	[15:20]
ThickAsThieves	hopefully most noobs' lesson-learning was cheap	[15:20]
Apocalyptic	had the same instinct TAT	[15:20]
kleeck	ThickAsThieves, you were close. I believe you suggested ponzi, but it was actually crash and grab. I'll award you 3/5 Scam Detection Points.	[15:20]
kleeck	SDP, new AltCoin. Dibs.	[15:20]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu :)	[15:20]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	srsly, it's not so hard to figure out the guy, one need but read his genius coin solutions,	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	with the unspendable coins and whatnot	[15:20]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if one day ponzi will just be redefined to mean 'bitcoin scam'	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	Peter Leeds of the Penny Stock newsletter put it to me this way: “In a matter of months you won’t be hearing about it. It will go the same way of Paris Hilton. People will move on to the next thing.”	[15:21]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we should choose a term like "a labcoin"	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	let it be entered into the record that peter leeds of obscure shithole has no future in finance.	[15:21]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	“Every big idea starts out sounding crazy. But not every crazy-sounding idea ends up being big,” Matthew O’Brien wrote in The Atlantic in a brilliant takedown of bitcon.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	further entered into the record that matthre o'brien may never be hired in any white collar capacity.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	learn to plumb or learn to not eat matt.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	"But if, and this is a big if, your peer-to-peer transaction doesn’t work properly, there is no central clearinghouse to complain to."	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	jesus god. this guy is retarded wtf.	[15:23]
ThickAsThieves	now imagine that when i first read the article, i thought it was written by AARON sorkin	[15:23]
ThickAsThieves	i was lolling it up	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	ANDREW ROSS SORKIN may not be employed. plumb or starve.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	lol the "you can't handle the truth" giuy ?	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	that'd have been something...	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	"In truth, the best bitcoin can hope for is to be a second-rate version of gold, if that"	[15:24]
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mircea_popescu	no srsly. this is like reading whitehouse sponsored pulp as to why obama is not a fucktard.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	"all the people saying he's a fucktard are racist and also they didn't check their privilege"	[15:25]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[15:29]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 881.1, Best ask: 886.1, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 881.1, 24 hour volume: 29975.65641520, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 887.0, 24 hour vwap: 834.25535	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	i havent looked, but i bet the article also has some choice supporting comments	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	"If it is digital, it can be hacked"	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	should i link to the trilema article about linking analog intercoms i wonder.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	about hacking*	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/	[15:36]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014	[15:36]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	this thing's shaping up, 13:11 btc so far. what do ye say ?	[15:37]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[15:37]
gribble	Current Blocks: 271609 \| Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 \| Next Difficulty In: 550 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 693619225.587 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.80458	[15:37]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 693619225.587 based on data since last change \| 703797499.444 based on data for last three days	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	do we cross 2bn in 3 months ?	[15:37]
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ThickAsThieves	i dunno, but wtf is bitcoin gonna be worth this Spring?!	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	possibly more than gold.	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	awww do all bets get a scam warning spam comment now?	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	possibly.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	freedom of speech eh.	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	in the kingdom of BitBet? how benevolent	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[15:43]
gribble	There are currently 12176618 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37739636.1638 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.4974 seconds	[15:43]
ThickAsThieves	$37m	[15:43]
ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 1000	[15:44]
gribble	A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 890804.4712 USD and would take the last price up to 897.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 890.8045 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 31.3673 seconds	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2013#292617	[15:45]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	always been teh case!	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[15:45]
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kleeck	.d	[15:51]
ozbot	609482679.88835 \| Next Diff in 546 blocks \| Estimated Change: 13.3034% in 3d 6h 46m 9s	[15:51]
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dexX7	maybe snackman is mp and this is just a marketing stunt	[16:00]
turbo_ac100	Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.	[16:00]
turbo_ac100	Any better ideas	[16:00]
turbo_ac100	?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 nah it's some dorky kid from pa	[16:01]
dexX7	haha i know :)	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 hard to make. as it stands, your bet would be satisfied by a ciphertrade.tripod.com webpage including a form where you can type text and that then gets published	[16:02]
turbo_ac100	true	[16:02]
dexX7	tripod? :D	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	this sorts of bets aren't accepted so as not to transform bitbet into a revenue source for the forum scammers.	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	(otherwise the business model becomes, make 50 forum accounts, herp a lot about some new "exchange", make bitbet bet, profit)	[16:03]
turbo_ac100	seems legit...	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	myeah. the idea is to limit scammer revenue streams.	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	what if you assigned the bet to Kate instead, like "a crypto-currency based securities exchange will open that Kate-Craig purports to be a partner in ownership"	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	or whatever	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	then kate can just decide which way the bet closes	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	this isn't a bet in any sense.	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	by not opening her exchange?	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	you can't have a bet that goes "The Pope will say if this bet wins or loses"	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	surely bitbet already has some of those	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	not as far as can be helped	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	like all bets relating to a ship date or opening date	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	pretty easy for the business to control the outcome	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	except they have actual economic incentive not to.	[16:06]
dexX7	aren't those "exchange x announces it's closure within a year" bets similar?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	random scam with no business does not.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 no because those have to face withdrawals.	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure i'd classify cipherstuff as random scam	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	see, the idea is for a bet to be about more than just the bet itself	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	to avoid creating betting black holes	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves on the grounds of what verifiable fact ?	[16:07]
dexX7	deprived is on the boat	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	well, i know i'm not a random scam	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	but i know you've paid people.	[16:08]
turbo_ac100	dexX7, true that	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	and i have done many of the things she has	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	who exactly has this thing paid ?	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	it's a big difference.	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	well she's run her assets for a long time and not disappeared	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	"run her assets".	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	ignorning any delving into the quality of the assets	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	obsi ?	[16:09]
turbo_ac100	ThickAsThieves, ...without reapearing.	[16:09]
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ThickAsThieves	my point is that she's super trustworthy,	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	(tbg the theory where kate/craig = the newest identity of the obsi glbse scammer is one of the better)	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	so much as hard to pin down as not trustworthy	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not a fan of some of her ways	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	but i cant find scamming	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	in some circumstances it's presumed.	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	my point is NOT that she's super trustworthy,	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah i gathered.	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	also, spekaing for Deprived, he is not officially part of her exchange at this time	[16:11]
dexX7	what criteria do you suggest to get a bet including ciphertrade listed on bb?	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	but may be at some point	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	dexx7, thats your problem to solve it seems	[16:12]
Apocalyptic	TAT, as far as I know he's jut an "advisor"	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	right	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know, this sort of using repuitable member's naivite... that's how labscam worked with theseven for instance.	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	this is a huge black mark rather than anything else.	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, my guess is Deprived was initially down to join, and is now unsure	[16:13]
turbo_ac100	Apocalyptic, he said he considers listing DMS there. Nothing more afaik.	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	so his name is attached	[16:13]
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mircea_popescu	dexX7 i dunno. something that can be verified.	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	maybe find out the domain name they intend to use?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	and also something that is hard to do. putting a website up thereupon numbers are displayed is no sort of achievement.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	this is what seems to be lost on all the forum tards : so you made a webpage. well done, you're now 15. so ?	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	make the criteria "mircea popusecu can make an account, but a share, sell it, and get his money out"	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	buy*	[16:17]
kakobrekla	butt	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	lol right	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	more liek, S.MPOE will be listed on ciphertrade. that's a bold bet, i'd bet on it.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	so i gave this chick the task to find the original latin version of the "friends, romans, countrymen" speech.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	she's still searching for it.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	i have no fucking idea what they teach in school these days, but it definitely isn't english.	[16:20]
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ThickAsThieves	someone attempting it http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears.16980/	[16:23]
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mircea_popescu	well it's fuckin shakespeare you know ?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	it has no latin original.	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	just use google translate, i'm sure you'll be fine	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[16:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3909 = 0.7818 BTC [-]	[16:27]
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gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu fumes	[16:30]
Apocalyptic	turbo_ac100, https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=7176.0 , see under Advisory board	[16:34]
Apocalyptic	it would be pretty foolish to list him if he wasn't involved	[16:34]
turbo_ac100	hm yeah. Could of course be that he gave advice a couple of times and that was that.	[16:35]
kakobrekla	that girl cant run an asset, how can she run an exchange?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	wow litecoin forum is at 7k topic index ?!	[16:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}	[16:35]
kakobrekla	Other features planned from the outset include:	[16:36]
kakobrekla	A fully live AJAX-driven site	[16:36]
Apocalyptic	turbo_ac100, that's not my definition of "advisory board", i.e. i would be pissed if someone mentionned me on that when all i did was answered 1/2 questions	[16:36]
kakobrekla	YES MORE AJAX!!!1	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the funniest part to me is the proeminent "paybans for the chatbox"	[16:36]
Apocalyptic	lel kako	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	that's a great revenue stream, for exchanges.	[16:37]
Apocalyptic	people need real time updating and more javascript shit	[16:37]
kakobrekla	ah stop spoiling it for me im not there yet	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	o sorry.	[16:37]
turbo_ac100	Apocalyptic, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg3655452#msg3655452 this reads differently. "But we are NOT committed (in the sense of having promised to go there) to it - and, at present, I am not committed to being involved either as part of the operational team for it OR as an investor in it."	[16:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic you can't really expect the guy to chase all over obscure forums to correct deliberate misrepresentation by interested parties. he made a statement, it's good enough.	[16:40]
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kleeck	Wow.	[16:40]
kakobrekla	im through now	[16:40]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, indeed	[16:41]
Apocalyptic	wasn't aware of that statement	[16:41]
kakobrekla	this will end like nefario/burnside/ukto/worse	[16:41]
kleeck	Working through a third part vendor for one of the companies my company acquired. Asking for the software licensing key and the chick sends me the EULA for the software. /facepalm.	[16:41]
kleeck	"Well, it has the word 'license' in it!"	[16:41]
Apocalyptic	thanks turbo_ac100 somehow i missed this statement	[16:42]
turbo_ac100	I remembered it less harsh, too.	[16:42]
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ThickAsThieves	why does everything that is purely informational have to be "harsh" to people	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	should he have used more cuddly words?	[16:50]
kleeck	"The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists," former Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said.	[16:50]
kleeck	Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html#ixzz2llOPnd3I	[16:50]
kleeck	http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html	[16:50]
ozbot	Julian Assange unlikely to be charged in US	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	hopefully they can solve that problem	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	plenty journalist worth arresting	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	ya but they'd arrest all the other ones.	[16:51]
kleeck	I don't think Obama wants to add a "War on Journalism" to his repertoire.	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	they are doing fine on their own	[16:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4 = 3.2 BTC [+]	[16:52]
kleeck	Are you talking about poor journalism? Because I'm talking about good journalism, i.e. whistleblowing or avenues for such.	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	if they arrested huffpo, salon, vice etc in corpore that'd be pretty cool.	[16:54]
kleeck	hey. I like Vice.	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	hopefully they can solve that problem <<< twas a joke	[16:54]
kleeck	They may not be real journalism but they're fun.	[16:54]
kleeck	:P	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	not nearly enough tits for that.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	if they had an editorial rule that all writers must send tits first, then i'd relent.	[16:55]
turbo_ac100_	ThickAsThieves, harsh was English fuckup. I meant unambiguous or sth like this.	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rhnto/kncminer_launches_20nm_neptune_asic_bitcoin_miner/	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	poor asicminer	[16:56]
ozbot	KnCMiner Launches 20nm Neptune ASIC Bitcoin Miner With at Least 2TH of Power : Bitcoin	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 strong.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i don't recall, did they ever deliver on their previous planets ?	[16:57]
ThickAsThieves	yessir	[16:57]
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ThickAsThieves	afaik	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	a a yes now i recall not recalling before	[16:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00214796 = 0.479 BTC [+] {5}	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why it's so difficult this one :D	[16:57]
ThickAsThieves	maybe next year only 3 companies will remain and itll be eays	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah. right.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	because things do get easier over time. this happens.	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.38155814 = 16.407 BTC [-] {8}	[16:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00374 = 0.3441 BTC [-]	[17:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.418 = 0.836 BTC [+] {2}	[17:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]	[17:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4199998 BTC [-]	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	thos AM1 ask orders are not showing up on the books in havelock	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	yet they are being filled	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	topace ^^ ??	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	LTC almost $14	[17:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 262 @ 0.00374962 = 0.9824 BTC [+] {3}	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 338 @ 0.0037807 = 1.2779 BTC [+] {3}	[17:19]
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topace	?	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	i was staring at the orderbook when those last few trades went off, and they never showed up	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	i assumed it was just lag for the livebooks	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	so i started refreshing a bunch	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	and thats when the last trade or two fired	[17:30]
topace	yea hte "live update" doesnt yet add new orders	[17:30]
topace	it only removes cancelled orders	[17:30]
topace	then whole page reloads every 30 seconds (maybe its 20?)	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	make it live-er plz!	[17:31]
topace	yea	[17:31]
topace	its "on the list"	[17:31]
topace	:(	[17:31]
topace	i just hired another full time employee	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	you sound like Ukyo now	[17:31]
topace	heh	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	you spoiled me	[17:31]
topace	except i have an office, a phone number, and a whole team (currently 6 in my office)	[17:32]
topace	they just arent all dedicated to havelock unfortunately	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	which one is assigned to cater to each of my whims?	[17:32]
topace	ol that'd be me :(	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:32]
topace	becuase im foolish enough to hang out on irc	[17:32]
jcpham	me too bro	[17:33]
jcpham	me too	[17:33]
topace	brings me back to my DoD days.. ahh the 90's	[17:33]
jcpham	i found a cult of the dead cow sticker in an old book the other day	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	topace when are those Neptunes sposed to ship	[17:33]
topace	Q1/Q2	[17:33]
topace	pretty vague	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	thats some range	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	also, i heard that KnC uses eASIC, is that true?	[17:34]
topace	i think its like.. "end of q1, early q2"	[17:34]
topace	but knc is pretty good about underpromise/overdliver	[17:34]
topace	deliver	[17:34]
topace	yea knc is cell based asic i think	[17:34]
topace	or smoething	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	you pretty much have to with the rabid bitcoin masses	[17:35]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 870.599, Best ask: 877.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.40100, Last trade: 877.49999, 24 hour volume: 30617.54264616, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 896.0, 24 hour vwap: 839.94739	[17:35]
topace	i wouldnt be surprised if the neptunes are 4-5TH by the time they ship	[17:35]
topace	ThickAsThieves: i just checked the past AM1 trades, no problem there, there'ss exsisting orders on both sides	[17:35]
topace	and they make sense	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt be surprised if the diff is 4-5b by then too	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	cool	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	just seemed odd, it must just be that trade bot is fast	[17:36]
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ThickAsThieves	just delay all bot orders for 60s plz	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:37]
topace	hehe	[17:38]
topace	yea, the api gets hit pretty heavily	[17:38]
topace	probably 30-50 requests/second	[17:38]
topace	at times	[17:38]
topace	(not contstant)	[17:38]
topace	probably average 10/sec though over time	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.hazard-herald.com/news/home_top-news/2796669/Vicco-to-consider-paying-police-chief-in-Bitcoin	[17:48]
assbot	123!	[17:48]
ozbot	Vicco to consider paying police chief in Bitcoin - hazard-herald.com	[17:48]
mike_c	that guy is awesome	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5394 @ 0.0000881 = 0.4752 BTC [-] {9}	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000087 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2}	[17:52]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[18:00]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078569 / 0.00078981 / 0.00079063 (29950 shares, 23.66 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008004 / 0.00085604 (1339765 shares, 1,072.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)	[18:00]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[18:00]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]	[18:00]
thestringpuller	dopeness	[18:00]
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thestringpuller	haven't seen that name in awhile	[18:06]
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ThickAsThieves	hah Garr255 negrated me on forums finally, for negrating him "illegitimately"	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	appears we both have default trust	[18:22]
thestringpuller	people trust forum ratings?	[18:22]
jurov`	yea, but only the legitimate ones	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose it depends who you ask	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-process-bitcoin-payments-cheaply-and-easily/	[18:22]
ozbot	How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:22]
Venat	Thank you midnightmagic	[18:26]
Venat	mircea_popescu, *	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	yw	[18:27]
jurov`	phew, just generating either unique addresses or unique amounts is near trivial	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov` trivialer to generate ammts i think	[18:28]
jurov`	harder is to actually detect incoming bitcoins if you don;'t want to do it by hand	[18:28]
jurov`	since dudes around here are trying to make bitcoin POS	[18:29]
jurov`	we had some meditations around doublespend detection, tx propagation and such	[18:29]
jurov`	and there will be much more	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah but you gotta appreciate, that's exactly the other end of the spectrum from what im discussing	[18:30]
pankkake	KnC announces "Neptune", 20nm miner	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[18:31]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 885.31107, Best ask: 896.99499, Bid-ask spread: 11.68392, Last trade: 883.22307, 24 hour volume: 31502.25733348, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 843.94834	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	time to break ATH	[18:31]
jurov`	yes, i appreciate it's only for simplest stuff	[18:32]
jurov`	still, the actual processing part is completely missing	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	at that level it's supposed to be done by hand by the one guy who's the business.	[18:34]
jurov`	yes. i guess his email needs to be in Cc or Bcc	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	it sends two eh ?	[18:36]
jurov`	and he should be able to keep track of stuff so that he doesn't credit account twice or such	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	he just watches the one address	[18:36]
jurov`	yes . then he notices the last digits and reverses the hash to obtain the email. easy	[18:37]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: so your method is for people with treasurers?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	herp lol. it's salted.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller my method is for people trying to sell online. like say nubbins.	[18:37]
thestringpuller	yes, but your article implies this is manually done and not automated	[18:38]
thestringpuller	what if nubbins is too busy doing nubbin things?	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	like what ?	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	like processing credit card orders!	[18:38]
thestringpuller	like painting pretty pictures of women, or smoking blunts with hip hop artists	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	he can't automate it, he will have to mail it. himself.	[18:38]
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turbo_ac100_	mircea_popescu, Haha "How to process Bitcoin payments" actually sounds like you were writing for people you don't despise although you suggest they don't know what a salt is.	[18:38]
thestringpuller	yes exactly but in terms of generating an invoice	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	so once he sees a new payment, he searches his inbox, finds the relvant receiver and goes mail	[18:38]
turbo_ac100_	What happened? :D	[18:38]
nubbins`	morning	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100_ better to explain what doesn't need to be explained	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	than to not explain what could have been useful.	[18:39]
nubbins`	well. afternoon	[18:39]
thestringpuller	yes, but that means nubbin's takes the role of treasurer?	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/26/5147410/bitcoin-hack-allegedly-steals-over-1-million-from-bips-wallet-service	[18:39]
ozbot	Second major Bitcoin heist this month allegedly takes over $1 million \| The Verge	[18:39]
nubbins`	don't put me in charge of money	[18:39]
thestringpuller	reconciling the order from his inbox to the address is still a manual process	[18:39]
thestringpuller	wouldn't that be best served by a treasurer?	[18:39]
thestringpuller	someone dedicated to that task?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the order in his inbox is the address	[18:40]
thestringpuller	ah so it reconciles itself! the message in the inbox == the invoice	[18:41]
thestringpuller	makes more sense ty	[18:41]
nubbins`	i received three calls from UPS today, two robots and a person	[18:41]
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nubbins`	you'd think they'd just make the one call, since all three packages are from the same sender	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	replace obama administration with ups	[18:42]
nubbins`	replace obama administr... yeah	[18:42]
nubbins`	srsly tho	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	UPS for president!	[18:43]
nubbins`	nooooo	[18:43]
pankkake	"If he had any decency he would offer a buy back at 0.2, save some of his name, show that he has belief in the site... and he would still be 5 millions good."	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	these fuckwits	[18:43]
pankkake	guy stole only half my money so he's decent!	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	just go on jd already omg	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	plz only steal enough so that i dont lose money sir	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:43]
pankkake	yeah they should, cause I'm still down on jd :(	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	you know we laugh at this, but these are voters	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	and this is how their life works.	[18:43]
nubbins`	i raked it in on jd and then cashed out	[18:44]
nubbins`	can't get any luckier than that, so i stopped	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	pls obama only steal enough so i don;'t lose money	[18:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00375 = 0.2138 BTC [-]	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	it bothers me more that he is making money, than that they are losing money	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[18:45]
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nubbins`	tat, does it generally bother you when people lose money? ;)	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a7e3ff911e16f8fe42897565cdab5b3fa41e6bd9940e85f4469096b4	[18:45]
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ThickAsThieves	well i'm certainly not wishing ill will on people	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	i'	[18:46]
nubbins`	there's middle ground in there	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	m even pretty tolerant of ignorance	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	;;rate bloctoc 1 works for mfoundry, all around reasonable guy.	[18:46]
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nubbins`	i gotta print book covers today, some girl is getting us to publish an excerpt from one of her diaries	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	interesting	[18:47]
nubbins`	it's a real fuckin downer	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[18:47]
nubbins`	i mean, the job itself is ok	[18:47]
nubbins`	the diary is a downer	[18:47]
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nubbins`	also poorly written, but what do you expect	[18:48]
mike_c	how many copies?	[18:48]
nubbins`	50	[18:48]
mike_c	are you binding them?	[18:48]
nubbins`	nod	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	50 copies of a diary ?	[18:49]
nubbins`	nod	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	i mean either make like... 5, for your grandkids	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	or else 5mn	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	maybe its for her funeral	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	diaries should not exist in the middle.	[18:49]
nubbins`	well ya know. a lot of the stuff we publish is more for a release on the part of the author than for anything else	[18:49]
mike_c	nubs, are you typesetting?	[18:49]
nubbins`	mike_c: yep	[18:50]
mike_c	wow, lot of work for 50 copies.	[18:50]
nubbins`	we've published a bunch of stuff from this guy who spent a few years in the bughouse	[18:50]
nubbins`	really, really strange stuff	[18:50]
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nubbins`	actually a good read, but he said he mostly wants to get it out of his head rather than make a fortune off it	[18:50]
Venat	nubbins`,	[18:51]
nubbins`	let me find you an excerpt	[18:51]
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nubbins`	but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of division have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light upon th	[18:54]
nubbins`	floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'	[18:54]
nubbins`	John the Baptist runs soap suds over the brainstem, each bubble is Electroconvulsive therapy raining from the fingertips of classical musicians. we sit upon psychedelic mushrooms like sleeping toads. these toads are pharmacists...pharmacobotanists.	[18:54]
nubbins`	flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now	[18:54]
nubbins`	^ that's right in the thick of it there	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	meh. read burroughs be done with the sort of crap. at least that's my experience.	[18:54]
Venat	Do you enjoy Faldbakken, nubbins` ?	[18:55]
nubbins`	yeah, heavy burroughs/bukowski influences there	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	ive read this before	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	have you linked images of it?	[18:55]
nubbins`	yeah, promo posters	[18:55]
nubbins`	Venat: not familiar	[18:56]
nubbins`	oddly, my mother enjoyed reading it	[18:56]
nubbins`	altho she said the ending was disappointing	[18:57]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.pngf	[18:57]
nubbins`	oops, https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.png	[18:57]
nubbins`	we made a bunch	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	it's like reading pink floyd the wall	[18:58]
nubbins`	you know, they're not joking when they say not to take LSD and watch that movie	[18:59]
nubbins`	anyway, we have i think 4 or 5 copies of the first edition left if you're looking for xmas gifts for the weirdos in your family	[19:00]
mike_c	somebody needs to wake up the chinese	[19:00]
mike_c	;;premium btcn mtgox	[19:00]
gribble	Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -2.11807954545 %.	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	let them sleep	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	it's hard work buying bitcoins all day	[19:01]
mike_c	i think this means that usd is a scarier bet than the yuan right now.	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	wikipedia wants me to donate with a pop-up, but no bitcoin option	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	Credit Card, PayPal, Amazon	[19:07]
thestringpuller	USD interests rates are about to skyrocket so I wouldn't hold yuan for too long	[19:07]
pankkake	donating in fiat should get you tax breaks though	[19:11]
nubbins`	oh hey, $850 on virtex, that's an ATH	[19:12]
mike_c	gox missed ath by $1	[19:13]
mike_c	$2	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller how do you figure ?	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03697998 = 0.1849 BTC [+]	[19:16]
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thestringpuller	it shouldn't come as a surprise with QE-Infinity	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoincharts.com/ is down again	[19:16]
phungus	QE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!	[19:16]
mike_c	they've been struggling lately	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	who was asking earlier about why mpbot ain't quoting ?	[19:16]
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mike_c	thestringpuller you think this is just talk? http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/22/us-usa-fed-lockhart-idUSBRE9AL0KI20131122	[19:17]
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phungus	they can't taper without throwing markets in to turmoil	[19:18]
phungus	it's a huge catch-22	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	they have been talking about it for 3 years.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	taper = food shortages in the us.	[19:18]
mike_c	i don't follow that. seems not tapering -> hyperinflation -> food shortages.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[19:20]
mike_c	so food shortages either way?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	it's not a question of food shortages being avoidable.	[19:21]
mike_c	ah. i gotta go to the grocery store. brb.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	well pretty much. whadda ya want	[19:21]
mike_c	:)	[19:21]
thestringpuller	oh god	[19:21]
thestringpuller	lol reading this article is like reading the beginning of the monetary apocalypse in the US	[19:21]
thestringpuller	history in the making :(	[19:21]
mike_c	what's the big deal? what's a $4 trillion balance sheet among friends?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	basically the continued qe makes repatriation of all assets from the us a slow process	[19:23]
phungus	we're fucked every which way with QE	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	gives the voters the opportunity to learbn slowly, move their diets towards govt cheese over a few years	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	tapering may ignite a gold rush	[19:24]
mike_c	you mean..	[19:24]
mike_c	a bitcoin rush!	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	and that's well... harder to pretend "we're progressing" and that dietary restrictions are "for your own health"	[19:24]
nubbins`	y'know, i started stockpiling food and water long before i started stockpiling precious metals and btc	[19:26]
nubbins`	priorities, yes?	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	this stockpiling theory...	[19:26]
asciilifeform	'the lead standard.'	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	suppose you were the one guy in leningrad with a basement full of ham.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	soooo ?	[19:26]
nubbins`	so you get to stay in said basement and never come out for fear of being ripped to pieces by hungry neighbours	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	right.	[19:27]
nubbins`	win-win	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	so now you have a lot of ham and people to eat	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	because they can't force their way in. you can't currently keep the police at bay from your basement	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	and you'kll somehow keep a horde at bay. through what means.	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin	[19:28]
nubbins`	well, the police only know i have stockpiles of food because i've entered it into the public record.	[19:28]
pankkake	that's why you should actually stockpile tanks	[19:28]
nubbins`	waaaaaitaminute	[19:28]
pankkake	and/or bunkers	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	i guess you could always threaten to post on bitcointalk if they scam you of your ham...	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	i stockpile stockpiles	[19:28]
nubbins`	hahaha	[19:28]
asciilifeform	airplanes.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	a stockpile of one might suffice.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	an airplane stockpile,	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	with maple syrup	[19:28]
nubbins`	anyway, it's not a bad idea. suppose you get laid off, having 6 months of food is a big help	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i can't remember a time when my largest expense was food.	[19:29]
nubbins`	suppose the power goes for the better part of a week in the dead of winter. having a big pile of kerosene is a big help	[19:29]
mike_c	my stockpile	[19:29]
mike_c	http://www.pimaair.org/images/hm_features/img_04.jpg	[19:29]
nubbins`	suppose the faucet starts spitting brown water. having a big pile of jugged water is a big help	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	you stockpile .jpg files?	[19:29]
nubbins`	tat, suppose something happens to my wife?	[19:29]
mike_c	yes. smaller than bmp	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i see your stockpile and i rase you a titpile. http://www.smeddley.com/crafts/crochet/pile-of-boobs.jpg	[19:30]
nubbins`	heh	[19:30]
nubbins`	nice tits	[19:30]
mike_c	oh wow. you win.	[19:30]
deadweasel	nubbins, what happens if the police decide they want your stockpiles?	[19:30]
deadweasel	why would you enter it into the public record?	[19:31]
asciilifeform	why on earth would you do that	[19:31]
mike_c	he already did. about 20 lines up.	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	we know about your ham bro	[19:31]
deadweasel	NSA nubbins' record: Lots of HAM in basement.*	[19:32]
nubbins`	deadweasel: i'm hoping the local cops won't know about log.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:32]
nubbins`	anyway, this isn't the usa where every neighbourhood has a swat team	[19:33]
deadweasel	yeah, moved away from those areas too.	[19:33]
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nubbins`	anyway the police are generally fuckups here	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` speaking of that : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/apa.jpg	[19:34]
nubbins`	hahahahaha	[19:34]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's not water, that's soju	[19:34]
nubbins`	now THAT'S a stockpile	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	it's low co2 mineral water, best in teh world	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	;;google perla harghitei	[19:35]
gribble	Perla Harghitei S.A. - Official website: ; Refreshing drinks... - Perla Harghitei: ; Perla Harghitei - FineWaters:	[19:35]
nubbins`	oh!	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	gallon bottles, 2 pellets.	[19:35]
nubbins`	looks like these: http://www.talongin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jinro2.jpg	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:36]
nubbins`	(and they seriously sell it in jugs like that)	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	http://supermarketclaudia.ro/image/cache/data/produse%20alimentare/bauturi%20racoritoare/apa%20plata/perla%20harg5l-500x500.jpg	[19:36]
nubbins`	ahhh	[19:36]
nubbins`	http://absolutelyfobulous.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Soju2.jpg	[19:37]
nubbins`	soju is also available in juice box form	[19:37]
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asciilifeform	re: stockpiles, useful advice: https://unsee.cc/gatewu/	[19:39]
jurov`	at least they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope	[19:39]
nubbins`	nod, i've told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	you can have my titpiles, they come back to me anyway	[19:40]
asciilifeform	"There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'	[19:41]
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mircea_popescu	they believe no such thing.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	people, generally, will make any claim that seems on the balance of the moment to yield them more beans.	[19:42]
nubbins`	^	[19:42]
asciilifeform	"when hunger seizes people, food becomes an obsession, and folks search memories as well as cupboards for relief...'	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	belief is entirely a different matter altogether	[19:43]
nubbins`	people will justify any action to get what they want	[19:43]
nubbins`	"fuck him, let's take it" is more than enough justification	[19:43]
asciilifeform	the article is more or less a list of 'don't's.	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	ltc at $16.4	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	perhaps the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with the multitudes.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	they feel threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	that means their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not the be all, end all.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/623/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-20usd-each-before/	[19:44]
ozbot	BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th	[19:44]
mike_c	asciilifeform: great story about the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of this kind of stuff.	[19:45]
asciilifeform	don't be the ham in leningrad. 'need to know' is the useful keyword. your mother (and youtube) don't need to see what caliber you prefer. etc.	[19:46]
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nubbins`	yeah	[19:47]
nubbins`	lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on the survivalist forums	[19:47]
nubbins`	cops raiding houses where generators can be heard	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	heh. yep	[19:47]
nubbins`	armed bandits roaming	[19:47]
nubbins`	great reading, some of it	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	in the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian tribes, "keeping the peace" a la cumans in the old republic.	[19:48]
nubbins`	nod	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rib1d/how_to_process_bitcoin_payments_cheaply_and_easily	[19:48]
ozbot	How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily : Bitcoin	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	vote o redditors	[19:48]
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ThickAsThieves	voted	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	ty.	[19:50]
ThickAsThieves	i feel guilty saying this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	haha	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled than those of the shah of iran	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	"and then looking through old stuff i had in the fridge i found an emerald"	[19:54]
pankkake	well at least you americans have guns	[19:54]
pankkake	around here mostly cops and military	[19:54]
nubbins`	even the cops weren't allowed to carry guns here until recently	[19:55]
nubbins`	well. rcmp always had sidearms	[19:55]
pankkake	most of ours cops don't either	[19:55]
nubbins`	rnc had shotguns that they had to keep locked in the trunks of their cars	[19:55]
pankkake	but they probably have access to them	[19:55]
nubbins`	they all have sidearms now too	[19:55]
nubbins`	would rather deal with rnc than rcmp any day	[19:56]
nubbins`	the mounties are pricks	[19:56]
nubbins`	from coast to coastr	[19:56]
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nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident	[19:57]
nubbins`	first example that comes to mind	[19:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]	[19:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41699993 = 1.251 BTC [+] {2}	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00379879 = 1.0409 BTC [+] {8}	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00385 = 0.1271 BTC [+]	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, all the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in to take over	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	seek out and execute all law enforcement of any type, hang all political representatives of the old stystem in the town square and leave them there to be eaten by the crows	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	then get the people to come up with a new constitution and so forth.	[20:15]
deadweasel	we should do this every year.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	in practical terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug trade is much more survivalistic	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	than storing some beans.	[20:15]
asciilifeform	the 'survival' folks aren't all preparing for the same scenario.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform regardless, they WILL all live the same scenario.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	either they're the new power or they're the new cows.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess once you've decided you shall be the cow it may make sense to try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.	[20:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00080752 = 1.5747 BTC [+]	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	but generally, survival means getting quite well used to the idea that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	and for no reason at all.	[20:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: 'enforcers:' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-not-to-organize-community.html	[20:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03697998 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}	[20:18]
jcpham	i'm ready for urvival mode i think	[20:18]
jcpham	definitely mentally and emotionally	[20:18]
jurov`	oh, how did you prepare mentally?	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "Just as one would expect, the invisible hand of the market fails to make itself visible, but it is plain to see that fuel is no longer delivered to either of these communities, although in the second one some fuel is likely to still be available on the black market, at prices that very few people can afford."	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	can't tell if trolling or retarded quite to the degree ?	[20:22]
jcpham	jurov`	[20:22]
jcpham	damn keys	[20:22]
jcpham	i'd say i'm mentally prepared from a lifetimeof bullshit	[20:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sounds like an accurate description - the caviar sold in the warsaw ghetto right up to demolition day, etc.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	by the invisible hand ...	[20:23]
asciilifeform	by many inefficient little hands.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	but he just claimed it fails to make itself visible...	[20:23]
asciilifeform	he is referring, i think, to the american belief that 'market' can provide for ad infinitum continuation of 'business as usual.'	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	well that'd be retarded i guess.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	the invisible hand doth not denote this hand that'll do what you bid it do.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	it doth denote instead this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	it's been phrased as 'invisible tentacle, rapes well.'	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	Unaccustomed to operating outside the law and having few connections with the criminal underworld, they are slow to penetrate the black market, which now offers the only way to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including the items that had been previously looted from their own stockpiles. Worse yet, they once again become estranged from one another: their acquaintances and friendshi	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When they are forced to turn to scavenging, outright theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals, they can no longer recognize in each other the people they knew before, and the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	ahaha NUCLEAR FAMILIES	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	and sometimes 'what do you want me to do? ... no mr. bond, we expect you to die!'	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	is baby jesus going to come back too ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	no nuclear famblies ye morons. married men are dead men.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	" The children, who are already in the habit of roaming the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come to serve as the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."	[20:28]
deadweasel	^ how so? because they're families drag-ass, get them killed?	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	he gets that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable test pod.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	there ought to be a way to organize the african child soldiers meeting american children.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	'cultural exchange!'	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel because they care about more shit than normal people.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lemme grep the log.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2013#335779	[20:30]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	"A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better than trying to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went through why it's very very bad. wtf is with this guy.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	well, being a turkey is nice, except for that one day	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	i fail to see it. it's not nice throughout.	[20:33]
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asciilifeform	nice from the livestock perspective.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	so is he here speaking as livestock or as not livestock ? i get confused.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	perhaps so does he.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	afaik, his attempt (recently concluded) was to preach to the livestock	[20:34]
Venat	man I need to fucking kill somebody	[20:34]
asciilifeform	he wrote it off, as a waste of time	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	The current way of changing the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation—time-consuming, expensive activities for which there will be neither the time nor the resources. There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	dude totally should look into bitcoin	[20:34]
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mircea_popescu	preferably starting with my comments as to what bitcoin court	[20:34]
asciilifeform	people occasionally ask orlov about btc	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	oops i mean bitbet	[20:34]
asciilifeform	he replies 'no mains power, no btc'	[20:34]
asciilifeform	you should tell him about slavecoin-over-shortwave.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[20:35]
nubbins`	wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc to work?	[20:35]
nubbins`	next you'll be telling me that computers are required too	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` amusingly, neither is the case.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: good news! they aren't...	[20:36]
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deadweasel	There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems	[20:36]
deadweasel	that is the issue in US	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel bitbet just decomplexified court proceedings by abourt 9 layers.	[20:36]
nubbins`	hm	[20:36]
nubbins`	blockchain chain letters?	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	bitbet did the same to a number of different processes, even if teh community has not quite grasped how	[20:37]
nubbins`	enlighten me here	[20:37]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` anything the computer do you can do, by hand	[20:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to the livestock, a court that can't have them shot isn't a 'real court' quite yet.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	still ambling about as zombie, though.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	who will put him to rest?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if you think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is to say a quick and flexible system to resolve disputes.	[20:38]
nubbins`	well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is that feasible?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` anything is feasible to the hungry.	[20:38]
pankkake	hard to prevent double spend	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	pankkake why ?	[20:39]
nubbins`	you find a hungry person who can transcribe a 16gb blockchain to paper	[20:39]
nubbins`	and i'll be impressed	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't be 16gb	[20:39]
pankkake	let's say you give him a tx or even a private key to pay the guy	[20:39]
asciilifeform	pankkake: this is where the shortwave comes in.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	pankkake will have to be hashed.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	just like today's mining.	[20:39]
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nubbins`	how many H/s can the average hungry person perform?	[20:40]
nubbins`	seems like we're talking possible vs probable here	[20:40]
pankkake	yes, but the time to spread the info will be very long	[20:40]
asciilifeform	picture Curta calculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta) for sha...	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	tbh, it will probably be the case that the new ipos wioll be all about "mining slide rule" producers	[20:40]
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pankkake	bitcoin relies on spreading blocks and txs quickly to everyone	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	"quickly".	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	that's meaningless. "as quickly as feasible". if there's no internet that quckly slows down	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	but it remains quickly.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	btc sans electric is more or less Hawala.	[20:41]
pankkake	anyway the no internet/no computers thing is silly	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, mechanical calculators and hashing ftw.	[20:41]
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nubbins`	pankkake, it's but a solar flare away	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	pankkake just because you happen to be culturally immersed in the computers-and-internet thing	[20:41]
pankkake	no, the thing is, remove computers, you kill a lot of much more important stuff	[20:42]
nubbins`	i dunno guys, if there's no more power grids, i don't think people are going to start constructing babbage machines	[20:42]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu that's the most brilliant idea yet!	[20:42]
thestringpuller	a mechanical hash miner!	[20:42]
thestringpuller	babbage machine for the bitcoin world!!!!	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[20:42]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: no general-purpose crunchers, sure. but there are people sitting on crates of soviet valves. there will be radio.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` depends which people.	[20:43]
thestringpuller	that would be good in the bitcoin museum of awesomeness	[20:43]
nubbins`	more realistic is a herbert-style setup where the rich have rooms full of slaves performing calcs	[20:43]
asciilifeform	i started a mechanical sha design once.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` hence the slavecoin he referenced way up	[20:43]
asciilifeform	for no good reason.	[20:43]
nubbins`	o look!	[20:43]
jcpham	http://bitcoinscammers.com/	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	it's been a private joke for a while this	[20:43]
nubbins`	leel	[20:43]
ozbot	Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	not particularly novel.	[20:43]
jcpham	idk wtf that is	[20:43]
Venat	noob question: What happens to the TX Fee?	[20:44]
jcpham	bu there are non scam sites on it	[20:44]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A	[20:44]
ozbot	Marble adding machine - YouTube	[20:44]
pankkake	every bitcoin website is in it	[20:44]
jcpham	oooohhhh	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	Venat goes to the miner that mines it	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	So... a jury upheld that public key crypto patent http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/jury-newegg-infringes-spangenberg-patent-must-pay-2-3-million/	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[20:45]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: is there a way to airgap a machine, but still communicate with mpex?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller sure. at the worst copy the gpg blurb by hand to another machine	[20:45]
nubbins`	tx fee = a meal	[20:45]
deadweasel	fuckin A patents trolls.... how could they?	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, use a qr gun, or an acoustic modem or anything	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel jury = idiots.	[20:46]
nubbins`	couple of old printer/scanner combos	[20:46]
deadweasel	ah	[20:46]
nubbins`	any number of ways	[20:46]
deadweasel	even a witness that says "I BUILT THIS TWO YEARS BEFORE" doesn't cu tit?	[20:46]
deadweasel	cut it?	[20:46]
deadweasel	que tits!	[20:46]
pankkake	see u tits	[20:46]
deadweasel	cute tits, nubs.	[20:47]
Venat	mircea_popescu, so I can mine transactions?	[20:47]
nubbins`	http://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/build.html	[20:47]
ozbot	The marble adding machine	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	venat when you mine a new block, you can include any number of txs in it.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	the 25 block reward along with any btc that was input in those tx but not output (ioe, the fees) you keep	[20:47]
thestringpuller	all the txs fees in that block go to the miner	[20:47]
thestringpuller	who mined it	[20:47]
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Venat	thanks for clearing that up :)	[20:49]
pankkake	http://www.france24.com/en/20131126-french-drug-dealer-sent-80000-euros-tax-bill	[20:49]
ozbot	French drug dealer sent tax bill on estimated income - FRANCE - FRANCE 24	[20:49]
pankkake	now they "estimate" your income :o	[20:49]
nubbins`	now that's progressive	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's getting quashed on appeal.	[20:50]
nubbins`	y'know, there was a canadian guy who had a multi-million dollar marijuana seed selling business	[20:50]
nubbins`	he paid hefty taxes each year, wrote "marijuana seed vendor" on all his returns	[20:50]
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nubbins`	nobody really seemed to mind	[20:50]
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nubbins`	then the rcmp arrested him and extradited him to the usa, a country in which he had never been, and there he sits in prison	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	heh	[20:52]
nubbins`	obvious implication is that you can expect to get deported to riyadh if you mail a porno mag there	[20:52]
nubbins`	wait, it's not "deported"	[20:52]
nubbins`	i guess just "sent"	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	only if you live in a shitty country to which you souldn't be paying taxes anyway	[20:52]
pankkake	"invited for a holiday"?	[20:52]
nubbins`	well, look what happened to the guy who did pay taxes!	[20:52]
nubbins`	until this extradition and imprisonment, do you know what was the biggest punishment for selling marijuana seeds in canadian history?	[20:53]
nubbins`	a $200 fine	[20:53]
nubbins`	pankkake: you can refuse invitations	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	if he didn't pay his taxes at least he could still be a vory.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	'doesn't extradite to u.s.' is almost the very definition of sovereignty.	[20:53]
nubbins`	no canadian sovereignty under conservative rule	[20:54]
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davout	pankkake: priceless shit is priceless	[21:07]
pankkake	which one?	[21:08]
davout	france24	[21:08]
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deadweasel	;;ticker	[21:18]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 894.00001, Best ask: 895.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 894.00001, 24 hour volume: 32027.83208414, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 847.7564	[21:18]
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pankkake	;;ticker	[21:25]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 902.5311, Best ask: 902.57412, Bid-ask spread: 0.04302, Last trade: 902.5311, 24 hour volume: 33033.66530043, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 900.9, 24 hour vwap: 849.37664	[21:25]
pankkake	we have lift off, destination $M00N	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3724619#msg3724619	[21:33]
ozbot	BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	pankkake mike_c deadweasel davout it pains me to see you have been demoted	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	consequently your pay grade has been lowered from tenured to mere associates	[21:33]
pankkake	I don't know what "associates" actually means	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	didn't we go through this recently ? like a lecturer	[21:33]
mike_c	no tenure? bullshit.	[21:34]
mike_c	i quit :)	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:34]
deadweasel	shit, now I have to pay you then!	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	pls send 10 btc to the usual address.	[21:35]
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deadweasel	lol	[21:35]
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deadweasel	wow, that demotion was ripe for trolling. thanks!	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4157777 = 0.8316 BTC [-]	[21:38]
davout	i haven't been demoted	[21:38]
davout	as a matter of fact i have two reports made by pankakke that i should handle diligently	[21:39]
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davout	i'm only mod in the french section	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	davout is like, tired and srs.	[21:39]
davout	moderating the french is srs business	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[21:40]
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davout	i should ask for pankkake to be modded, he does the work of reporting, i hit delete thread, and i get paid xD	[21:40]
pankkake	yeah, I already said how unfair it is	[21:41]
pankkake	but I definitively don't want to be a mod	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	if you mod him he's going to do all sorts of unconscionable stuff	[21:41]
nubbins`	covers printed!	[21:41]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/zfXpC	[21:41]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[21:41]
nubbins`	my first time using black paper. very nice	[21:41]
pankkake	I've been moderator a few times elsewhere, never abused it	[21:41]
davout	it's like it would stick out on btctalk	[21:41]
pankkake	but the thing is, people then expect you to behave	[21:41]
pankkake	and it SUCKS	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel is that a tiger and a monsanto chicken in your avatar ?	[21:42]
davout	make it a routine, spend at least 10 minutes a day crushing these lovely expectations	[21:42]
nubbins`	;;ticker --market all	[21:42]
nubbins`	c'mon gribs, don't leave me hanging	[21:43]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 940.0, vol: 35185.04603883 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 877.91, vol: 33329.11379630 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 869.8, vol: 33929.22801 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 899.99, vol: 7450.24206635 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 822.0, vol: 313.86130455 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 875.544063, vol: 40810.02500000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 890.887785158	[21:43]
assbot	123!	[21:43]
deadweasel	must be, mp. that monsanto chicken is looking mythical	[21:43]
mike_c	nubbins, did you know you are a competitor of the bitbet retard? http://pirateprintingcompany.com/	[21:43]
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altoz	;; bids 0	[21:43]
gribble	There are currently 11164181 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 38053035.3219 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 124.5105 seconds	[21:43]
nubbins`	competitor implies threat	[21:43]
deadweasel	oh yeah! forgot to tell you nubbs!	[21:43]
altoz	;; asks 9999999999	[21:43]
gribble	There are currently 17323.799 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 239506812.86 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 134.7923 seconds	[21:43]
deadweasel	he is t-shirt guy	[21:43]
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mike_c	no way, as soon as he fixes this: "I don't have the resources or expertise to build such a thing right now" you are in trouble.	[21:44]
nubbins`	all i see is free clipart and a lousy 5-min snowden stencil	[21:44]
nubbins`	well, i shouldn't be so hard on them	[21:44]
deadweasel	lol	[21:44]
pankkake	does he even accept bitcoin?	[21:45]
mike_c	free lolz: http://pirateprintingcompany.com/blogs/whynot	[21:45]
mike_c	he doesn't have that part figured out yet	[21:45]
mike_c	maybe mp's post will help	[21:45]
nubbins`	so he's released the btc logo to the public domain, that's nice of him	[21:45]
nubbins`	anyway, selling stuff like this via website only is a mug's game	[21:46]
nubbins`	printing is a pavement-pounding business	[21:47]
nubbins`	unless you're threadless or busted tees	[21:47]
cazalla	i don't understand why anyone would wear a bitcoin t-shirt	[21:48]
cazalla	if i'm a criminal, i'm following you home	[21:48]
nubbins`	really?	[21:48]
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mike_c	see asciilifeform's previous link. you shouldn't be advertising your stockpiles	[21:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39289504 = 3.5361 BTC [-] {3}	[21:48]
nubbins`	wearing a three-piece suit is advertising a stockpile.	[21:48]
pankkake	or just steal the smartphone	[21:48]
nubbins`	dining at a fancy restaurant is advertising a stockpile.	[21:48]
mike_c	hah. well, mp doesn't agree with that book	[21:49]
nubbins`	driving an SUV is advertising a stockpile.	[21:49]
mike_c	no, because suv is useless post-apocalypse	[21:49]
cazalla	i can't steal you SUV as effectively as i can steal your bitcoins	[21:49]
nubbins`	wearing a BTC t-shirt is advertising the fact that you're a nerd	[21:49]
mike_c	ham in the basement (or btc) is not	[21:49]
pankkake	aren't SUV just cheap big cars for people who can't drive?	[21:49]
nubbins`	no, they're cars so assholes can stop having to tell people that they're assholes	[21:50]
nubbins`	and it can just be assumed	[21:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000002 BTC [-]	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	hmm why the rally	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[21:50]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 940.2, Best ask: 942.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 940.2, 24 hour volume: 35503.67066914, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 947.0, 24 hour vwap: 855.98308	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	reinventing the wheel, two years later. what can possibly go wrong ?	[21:50]
nubbins`	my roommate @ $410: "i'm going to sell half of my bitcoins when the price doubles"	[21:50]
nubbins`	my roommate @ $820: "nevermind"	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves because bugpowder wasn't here in a while going on about the past five minutes ?	[21:51]
mike_c	i don't trust the price when we get this far ahead of the chinese	[21:51]
mike_c	;;premium btcn mtgox	[21:51]
gribble	Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -7.58578947368 %.	[21:51]
thestringpuller	http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ - better get in on the action soon if this happens	[21:52]
cazalla	looks like chinese have been buying ritecoin on btc-e	[21:52]
pankkake	are they sleeping?	[21:52]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: bets sent after the trigger of the resolution are discarded, if I recall correctly?	[21:52]
pankkake	thestringpuller: and donate to the shareholders? :)	[21:52]
mike_c	distributed as dividends	[21:52]
pankkake	actually, they are refunded with 1% fee	[21:53]
pankkake	as long as the bet is still open	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller if the bet is not closed they get refunded	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	wow namecoin still exists ?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	i thought it had died (again)	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of the deadpool, anyone ehard anything of the bitcoin foundation lately ?	[21:55]
nubbins`	i only recognize the bitcoin authority, the foundation is a sham	[21:56]
pankkake	namecoin had a silly bug but it's fixed	[21:57]
pankkake	no one still actually uses it :(	[21:57]
mike_c	i don't understand why the gox trading lag jumps from "2 seconds" to "35 minutes"	[21:59]
nubbins`	because bouncy balls instead of chairs	[22:00]
mike_c	it can't be two strings and a can, that's bitstamp.	[22:00]
mike_c	er, two cans and a string :)	[22:00]
nubbins`	hahaha	[22:00]
nubbins`	"i can't hear you" "pull the can tighter"	[22:00]
mike_c	hehe	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	forum quote of the day "Not to mention that the only thing pre-orders leave you with is a dick in your mouth."	[22:00]
nubbins`	lel	[22:01]
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mike_c	my favorite bash, it seems to be lagging. upvote! http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5	[22:02]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[22:03]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 922.0, Best ask: 924.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 921.16, 24 hour volume: 36586.58496110, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 950.0, 24 hour vwap: 858.58179	[22:03]
nubbins`	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18	[22:03]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[22:03]
nubbins`	heh	[22:03]
mod6	;;bc,stats	[22:07]
gribble	Current Blocks: 271653 \| Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 \| Next Difficulty In: 506 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 693111945.529 \| Estimated Percent Change: 13.72135	[22:07]
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nubbins`	i gave my dad half a bitcoin for his birthday back in august	[22:14]
nubbins`	kinda set the bar a bit high, my mom's birthday is tomorrow ;(	[22:14]
pankkake	give her a quarter of bitcoin, tell her she had to be born earlier	[22:15]
nubbins`	ha, there ya go	[22:15]
blastbob	i have saved 1 BTC each of my closest friends	[22:16]
deadweasel	Give her none, she already has your fathers	[22:16]
nubbins`	deadweasel has it figured out	[22:16]
blastbob	so when i ask them for joining me on a vacation and they say i cannot afford it	[22:16]
blastbob	i pull the btc card	[22:16]
blastbob	:P	[22:16]
nubbins`	ha	[22:17]
deadweasel	don't pull it for 10 years, travel to MPs moonbase where pleasurebots pleasure you while the masses toil at manual hashing.	[22:17]
nubbins`	nice	[22:17]
nubbins`	would rather the bots toil and the masses pleasure me tbh	[22:17]
mike_c	not us deadweasel, we're associates.	[22:17]
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mike_c	no manual hashing for us	[22:17]
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nubbins`	it's what, < 300 btc to go to space?	[22:18]
mike_c	holy shit. yeah.	[22:18]
thestringpuller	i think it's like 250	[22:18]
thestringpuller	i think	[22:18]
mod6	lol sweet	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	who. who does not want to wear the pleasures.	[22:18]
deadweasel	294	[22:18]
nubbins`	yeah between 250-300 depending on rate	[22:18]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: robots don't belong on dicks	[22:19]
nubbins`	too much to go wrong	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	would you rather have a welt or aids ?	[22:19]
mike_c	with badbios floating around, you just can't trust those robots anymore	[22:19]
nubbins`	those are my only options?!	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	it's badbios not badbutts tho	[22:19]
pankkake	never tried a fleshlight. does it really work?	[22:19]
deadweasel	yes, I don't recall fondly my teenage daliance with a pool intake pipe.... dicks should not go in there, lest they never come out.	[22:20]
nubbins`	pankkake: in the sense that fucking anything soft will work, i'd imagine	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i recall a bukkake scene where one fo the guys couldn't cum on the girl	[22:20]
nubbins`	pankkake: just roll a slice of bologna around your dick and squat it between two mattresses	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	so eventually he got some plastic blender thing, did it in that	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	then dutifully poured it on her	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	i laughed my ass off	[22:20]
nubbins`	lel	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	fucking surreal.	[22:20]
nubbins`	CV: "can only cum in blenders"	[22:20]
deadweasel	i think the food-network picked him up for an upcoming late night series.	[22:21]
nubbins`	now that's the sort of guy who would choose the pleasurebot	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	as the wanker culture spreads, it'll prolly be rare for people to fuck anyway	[22:21]
nubbins`	shame	[22:22]
deadweasel	already occuring in japan, elsewhere.	[22:22]
deadweasel	un-interested in sex	[22:22]
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deadweasel	http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/22/celibacy_syndrome_in_japan_why_aren_t_young_people_interested_in_sex_or.html	[22:22]
ozbot	Celibacy syndrome in Japan: Why aren't young people interested in sex or relationships?	[22:22]
nubbins`	just taking a stab here, unimaginable levels of social pressure and stress?	[22:23]
pankkake	actually way too many pornos have guys that can't cum	[22:23]
pankkake	it's annoying	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	well for the japanese sex is hard work	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	all that nutty bondage and whatnot	[22:23]
nubbins`	pankkake: like the guys who go "HRRRRRRR NNNNRRRRRGGGGHHHH" and like 5cc dribbles out?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you couldn't cum too if you styuck a needle in your penis	[22:23]
pankkake	thankfully my favorite porn source has the tag "female.completion"	[22:23]
nubbins`	and they have to milk their dicks like empty toothpaste tubes to even get that much?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.collarme.com/photos/1738663p10.jpg	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	for your new outfit?	[22:24]
pankkake	is that appealing to foot fetishists? i like the shoe design though	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking hashslave uniform	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	can it even be walked in	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	looks like you;d need to keep your toes pointing out to keep the form	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	i guess she can scoot along	[22:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3614 = 0.7228 BTC [-]	[22:26]
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nubbins`	you'd be surprised how well people can get around on crazy shoes	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	she'll walk just fine once the options are well structured.	[22:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6534 @ 0.00008256 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {14}	[22:27]
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nubbins`	like the uh, what are those japanese ones called	[22:27]
nubbins`	geta or something	[22:27]
nubbins`	i've seen people RUN on cobblestones wearing those	[22:27]
deadweasel	stop chasing them, someone could get hurt.	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10247 @ 0.00007156 = 0.7333 BTC [-] {38}	[22:28]
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nubbins`	nah, when i chase people, i generally don't notice their footwear	[22:28]
nubbins`	http://www.buyrumballs.com/images/067%20Geta%2002.jpg	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3769 @ 0.00006794 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {15}	[22:29]
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nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgA6k-16Oj4	[22:30]
ozbot	Japanese man runs Honolulu Marathon 2009 in wooden shoes - YouTube	[22:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36130002 BTC [-]	[22:30]
nubbins`	hm actually shit video, don't bother	[22:30]
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deadweasel	no worries, at work, can't risk nsfw in here.	[22:32]
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deadweasel	when richard branson clad with naked woman flying a surf kite plastered across my 24" screen yesterday, I decideed no more links at work....	[22:32]
deadweasel	great pic tho	[22:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00353316 = 1.7666 BTC [-] {10}	[22:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.003511 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {2}	[22:49]
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bVector	if I place a bet on bitbet and it gets rejected, will my funding transaction get refunded?	[22:50]
pankkake	if you bet while it is still open, it will be refunded	[22:50]
pankkake	minus 1%	[22:51]
pankkake	in case you bet after the fact	[22:51]
pankkake	http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ I guess? :)	[22:51]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000	[22:51]
bVector	just saw the return transaction	[22:51]
Venat	All mistakes are easy to make if one's not particularly trying to avoid making mistakes. You could drive your car into the garage door, for instance.	[22:55]
Venat	roflmao	[22:55]
mike_c	anyone have experience (or opinion) with a good fire-resistant safe?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	bVector your zeroconf ? yes, always.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mike_c: a garden.	[22:56]
mike_c	hehe, not this.	[22:57]
mike_c	http://www.gardensafe.com/	[22:57]
ozbot	Garden Safe - Effective Pest Control Solutions for Your Home & Garden \| Garden Safe	[22:57]
asciilifeform	mike_c: no, just earth.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	not flammable, last i checked.	[22:57]
mike_c	tougher for urban dwellers	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no, but i have something about water resistance : http://nypost.com/2012/11/18/billions-in-bearer-bonds-could-be-lost-due-to-hurricane-sandy-sources/	[22:58]
bVector	mike_c: someone else's garden	[22:58]
mike_c	are you guys serious? like, you would bury your paper backup?	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	print it on plastic.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	or laminate the paper sheet	[22:58]
pankkake	carve it	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	in bronze	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	but srsly mike_c, safes are a bad idea for holding valuables.	[22:59]
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mike_c	i'm not thinking for burglar protection, just fire/water. i mean, what do you guys actually do? carve the backup in bronze and bury it?	[23:00]
asciilifeform	photo etch on a circuit board substrate. $100 of chemical junk suffices. lasts for millenia, good up to 5-600C maybe.	[23:00]
mike_c	hehe	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	stuff of that nature.	[23:01]
bVector	ehh copper isnt the best for corrosion	[23:01]
mike_c	crazy. ok, i'll re-think.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	a good solution is to gpg it and publish it for instance.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	it will corrode but won't come off the board.	[23:02]
mike_c	ah, now that's a good idea	[23:02]
mike_c	thanks	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c the reason the girl keeps saying "six months to a year" is quite this : so much shit needs pondering.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	it's not directly obvious just how much.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	copper can also be electroplated, with damn near anything.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	palladium, if you like.	[23:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [+]	[23:02]
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mircea_popescu	for the record : bronze is the most stable material in general use, by a far margin	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	long after the places where cities stood could no longer even be inferred by radiation measurements,	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	bronze statues will be largely unchanged.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	Au would be the champ though	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well sure, or some custom carbides, or diamond.	[23:04]
FabianB_	looks like bitcoincharts.com got hardware upgrades	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	niceness.	[23:05]
mike_c	of course, to securely gpg it i would need a high-quality rng.. where could i get one of those i wonder.	[23:06]
mike_c	ascii, back to work! ;)	[23:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.00080893 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2}	[23:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.0732525 = 2.9301 BTC [-] {2}	[23:40]

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