Forum logs for 16 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.296 = 0.888 BTC [+]	[00:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1140 @ 0.00156113 = 1.7797 BTC [-] {18}	[00:23]
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trixisowned	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKQJowXxcE#t=392	[00:42]
assbot	Best News Bloopers 2014 - YouTube	[00:42]
trixisowned	here guys	[00:42]
trixisowned	im sure you would like this part	[00:42]
trixisowned	of the video	[00:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.0118 = 0.6608 BTC [-] {3}	[00:51]
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mike_c	ben_vulpes, you around?	[01:04]
mike_c	;;seen ben_vulpes	[01:05]
gribble	ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: wywialm: there is no recourse in bitcoin.	[01:05]
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mike_c	well, when you see this. i can't login in to van-ads, and my ads don't seem to be running.	[01:06]
mike_c	ok, got login to work.. i get "mnope" two out of three times.	[01:09]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70008056 BTC. Current weight: 41,312.	[01:11]
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mike_c	and i finally saw an ad. i guess i'm just a cheapskate. close my customer support ticket.	[01:17]
assbot	theodred +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[01:17]
kakobrekla	!up theodred	[01:20]
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theodred	kakobrekla: ty	[01:21]
theodred	it usually works. has something been changed?	[01:21]
kakobrekla	dunno, your rating ?	[01:21]
kakobrekla	or your raters ratings	[01:22]
theodred	as I said.. it usually works. anyways, how goes it?	[01:24]
kakobrekla	survivable.	[01:27]
theodred	one of those kinda days eh?	[01:28]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[01:28]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 500.8, Best ask: 502.33, Bid-ask spread: 1.53000, Last trade: 500.79, 24 hour volume: 16568.42856170, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.108515649	[01:28]
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cazalla	apologies to anyone reading last nights dribble	[01:32]
cazalla	wonder how vexual is feeling this morning	[01:32]
BingoBoingo	You mean Mexual...	[01:36]
ben_vulpes	looks like the character's doing a slow transform from vexual to muXne	[01:37]
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BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Muxne is the name of his pet key, Vexual is the name of his voice	[01:39]
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ben_vulpes	bewilderment	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: You mean bexwualderment	[01:42]
ben_vulpes	buxderpalment	[01:43]
ben_vulpes	maybe i'll key my keyid tatooed on my knuckles	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	get* my	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	ugh guys i suck at sales	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 390 @ 0.00155001 = 0.6045 BTC [-]	[01:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 811 @ 0.00155 = 1.2571 BTC [-]	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot theodred	[02:11]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theodred: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theodred \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theodred \| Rated since: never	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	when did it usually work ?	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[02:13]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 501.27, Best ask: 502.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.71000, Last trade: 501.26, 24 hour volume: 16713.65731601, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.109066316	[02:13]
assbot	theodred +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	!up theodred	[02:14]
-assbot-	You voiced theodred for 30 minutes.	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	!up guest3476	[02:15]
-assbot-	You voiced guest3476 for 30 minutes.	[02:15]
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theodred	ty	[02:15]
theodred	mircea_popescu: see pm	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	well okay. so voice is an ever changing beast.	[02:16]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu send me 100BTC.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	what for ?	[02:18]
BigBitz	So I can go to Vegas.	[02:18]
theodred	mircea_popescu: are you greek?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	theodred no, i'm romanian.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz there's plenty of people in vegas already you know.	[02:19]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu sure. But I am not one of them.	[02:20]
BigBitz	With your 100BTC I will document a trip to Vegas where I bet the whole amount on one roulette spin.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	now how would i know.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	or else, i could document the best porterhouse steak in the history of porter houses everywhere.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	i've just had it.	[02:20]
theodred	mircea_popescu: nice.. ah, the ending escu in ur last name.. came to mind.	[02:21]
BigBitz	We can do that also.	[02:21]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu you can meet me there.	[02:21]
theodred	porterhouse steaks? need cast iron for that	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	theodred that's typically romanian an ending. like -ian for armenians.	[02:22]
BigBitz	Portherhouse Waygu.	[02:22]
BigBitz	Nice.	[02:22]
BigBitz	Wagyu, even.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	and yes, it was served on a little stovelet at the table, with embers.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	in other news, if anyone was ever curious, i give you horse vices.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	http://redemption86.hubpages.com/hub/horse-vices	[02:25]
assbot	Crib Biting & Wind Sucking	[02:25]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu ... the 100BTC ?	[02:26]
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BigBitz	;;calc 100 * [ticker --last]	[02:27]
gribble	50600	[02:27]
BigBitz	chump change, for you, mircea_popescu :)	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather do something useful with it nevertheless.	[02:28]
BigBitz	Fair.	[02:28]
BigBitz	I would agree with that sentiment.	[02:28]
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copumpkin	man, bitcoin crashing, mpoe crashing	[02:33]
copumpkin	nothing worth living for	[02:34]
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BigBitz	!copumpkinprice	[02:35]
BigBitz	!copumpkinprice	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	i hear great things about that bloomingdale's executives programme.	[02:35]
BigBitz	:(	[02:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 811 @ 0.00158728 = 1.2873 BTC [+] {4}	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier so what is this, basically an awkward rework of the b-a voice model without acknowledging the source and practical use thereof ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	you trying to become an academic or something ?	[02:48]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[02:48]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 500.79, Best ask: 500.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 500.99, 24 hour volume: 16601.42555722, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.157795826	[02:48]
ben_vulpes	!t m s.mpoe	[02:48]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00077981 / 0.00088145 (3038672 shares, 2,369.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081849 / 0.00094217 (12921666 shares, 10,576.28 BTC)	[02:48]
ben_vulpes	!h	[02:48]
assbot	List of commands:	[02:48]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)	[02:48]
assbot	!up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes)	[02:48]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[02:48]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[02:48]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[02:48]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[02:48]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[02:48]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[02:48]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[02:48]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla maybe time to move that to a pastebin ?	[02:48]
ben_vulpes	is there a book?	[02:48]
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justusranvier	mircea_popescu: It's an idea for a tool designed more for in-person, non currency trades	[02:49]
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justusranvier	Also more globally scalable	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing wrong with seeing something you like and trying to understand how it works, or implement it. there is however something wrong with seeing something you like and imagining you invented it. that something is that in exchange for the stroking of vanity, it also isolates you from the exact people you don't really want to be isolated from, id est, those people who actually do the things you like.	[02:51]
justusranvier	If you're going to speak about credit though, as far as I know I was the first person to suggest ising GPG-signed ratings for Bitcoin trading.	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	well that's what it is, this reads to me like someone joined b-a and went "you know what ? ima make an altcoin!!1"	[02:53]
justusranvier	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg6139#msg6139	[02:53]
assbot	List of honest traders.	[02:53]
justusranvier	^ my first forum account	[02:53]
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mircea_popescu	that's pretty much right, yeah.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	can you still sign with that account ?	[02:57]
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justusranvier	I lost the password forum account, and don't have the email it was linked to any more. I may have an archived PGP key around somewhere that was linked to it though.	[02:58]
justusranvier	I'd love to recover it for nostalgic purposes	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway. yes, that's the concept, it's not particularly novel or revolutionary, even if everyone from facebook to amazon ratings implements it very very badly.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	the reasons it's not well implemented are in no sense scientifical, but purely political, and so the solution isn't going to come from writing it up, but from a willingness to work with others already doing it.	[03:00]
justusranvier	Of course.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense "stop being stupid and use the b-a model" is about a billion times more effectual than "here's how you could do it theoretically"	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	or at least, that's what i think on the matter.	[03:00]
justusranvier	Mostly I just want people to start thinking along the lines of how to harden existing systems specifically different threat models than those they are accustomed to combating.	[03:01]
justusranvier	I gave an example implementation, but it's purpose is mostly a thought exercise.	[03:01]
justusranvier	I do think that invitation-only networks have a role in the future, and creating incentives for proper vetting will be important, however those are accomplshed.	[03:02]
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justusranvier	Here's the scenerio:	[03:03]
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justusranvier	In the near future, Uber and Lyft are going to win their battle with the established taxi mafias.	[03:04]
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justusranvier	They'll get in bed with the lawmakers and regulators and get the rules changed so they can participate.	[03:04]
justusranvier	However, the process of doing so is going to be very expensive and consume the profits they should rightfully have made.	[03:05]
justusranvier	Right about the time they win this battle, pure P2P versions of what they do will start cutting them out of the loop entirely.	[03:05]
justusranvier	What will they do? Of course, they'll do exactly what the taxi drivers are doing to them - demand the government "do something"	[03:06]
justusranvier	By this point, however, the only attack vector will be sting operations against individual drivers.	[03:06]
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justusranvier	So by the time this all happens we should have tools ready that are specifically designed to allow people to conduct in-person commerce with some assurance they are about to do business with a cop	[03:07]
justusranvier	that they are not about to do business with a cop	[03:07]
justusranvier	.	[03:07]
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kakobrekla	!help	[03:07]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots	[03:07]
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mircea_popescu	ty kako	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	!up dpb_reddit	[03:17]
-assbot-	You voiced dpb_reddit for 30 minutes.	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier none of that is controversial.	[03:17]
ben_vulpes	$depth s.mpoe	[03:19]
empyex	ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Bids: 52758 @ 0.00073978 16250 @ 0.00073885 14518 @ 0.00073828 3035 @ 0.00073788	[03:19]
empyex	ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Asks: 9603 @ 0.00074093 4200 @ 0.00074164 3100 @ 0.00074318 6350 @ 0.00074370	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, small, worthless transactions like say a cab ride aren't too adequate for this sort of application because people can't be arsed to bother.	[03:24]
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mircea_popescu	there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.	[03:25]
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BingoBoingo	!rules	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	for easy comparison, argentina legally allows prostitution, but not pimping. this is roughly equivalent to allowing lyft/uber but not the traditional style.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, there's plenty of prosperous pimps.	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[03:26]
atcbot	0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)	[03:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103473 @ 0.00073914 = 76.481 BTC [-] {6}	[03:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153530 @ 0.00073689 = 113.1347 BTC [-] {12}	[03:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107709 @ 0.00073588 = 79.2609 BTC [-] {8}	[03:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1087 @ 0.00073866 = 0.8029 BTC [+]	[03:34]
copumpkin	wow MPOE crash!	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	!t m s.mpoe	[03:35]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073342 / 0.00073748 / 0.0007468 (398319 shares, 293.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00077463 / 0.00088145 (3427764 shares, 2,655.25 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081606 / 0.00094217 (13319985 shares, 10,870.04 BTC)	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	funny that it goes the same way as btc this thing.	[03:35]
copumpkin	yeah	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[03:37]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 497.62, Best ask: 497.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 497.62, 24 hour volume: 16561.50479641, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 500.762394477	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[03:38]
kakobrekla	its over, we can pack and go home put ba to +m.	[03:39]
kakobrekla	throw in another comma inthere.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	but i am home!	[03:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.298 = 0.894 BTC [+]	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	from the lulz dept http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/15/psa-got-hacked-yesterday/	[03:44]
assbot	PSA: got hacked yesterday \| Great Wall of Numbers	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html << and the usg press machine is making serious efforts at creating a bunch of interlinked blogs to cover the discussion in astroturf.	[03:47]
assbot	On the Sovereignty of CryptoCurrencies -- What Bitcoin can Learn from Somaliland	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/ << read that to get a pretty much exact blow by blow of the hostile aggenda.	[03:50]
assbot	I guess that makes me a Tory \| Preston Byrne	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin is far from perfect.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	ECDSA is imperfect. The hunt for the perfect mining algo is ongoing; Bitcoin’s in particular has proven to be a tremendous waste of electricity, the process little more than an environmentally harmful race to the bottom. The protocol supports a mere 7 transactions per second. Protocol development has been difficult to implement on account of the centralisation of mining power and community inertia. "	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	that's what teh boys got. how well bitcoin integrates (ie, how well some usg twerps nobody takles seriously have pretended to integrate with their puppet masters. herp.) and how unsovereign it is.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the guy's "business partner" drones all about how "you gotta live in real anarchy". because totally nobody ever did it outside of his dumb american ass, being leeched by some somalis for a few years.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	such valuable voices much point of view.	[03:52]
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mircea_popescu	!s tory	[03:59]
assbot	1 results for 'tory' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tory	[03:59]
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ben_vulpes	how many txns per second does atc do?	[04:20]
decimation	somalia would exist if not for the us decolonizing everything	[04:24]
decimation	his example destroys his argument	[04:25]
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ben_vulpes	come now that's not in his worldview	[04:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.00642887 = 0.6429 BTC [+] {6}	[04:26]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: surely you do not mean these guys receive paychecks from usg. plenty of people shill in the hope that they can get scraps from the master's table	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	that's a paycheck.	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is resulting in an article, so. gimme an hour here.	[04:29]
decimation	okay that's what I thought	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	!s large early holdings	[04:30]
assbot	5 results for 'large early holdings' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=large+early+holdings	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	!up usg_press_machin	[04:31]
-assbot-	You voiced usg_press_machin for 30 minutes.	[04:31]
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usg_press_machin	Howdy, Bitcoin-assets.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	usg_press_machin i don't like you enough to pm. and no, not really. you can comment on it once it's done.	[04:32]
usg_press_machin	Charming. Looking forward to it.	[04:32]
ben_vulpes	who are you, usg_press_machin?	[04:33]
usg_press_machin	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/	[04:34]
assbot	I guess that makes me a Tory \| Preston Byrne	[04:34]
usg_press_machin	I saw a number of hits from argentina; my heart sank	[04:34]
ben_vulpes	mr bryne? goodness.	[04:34]
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usg_press_machin	I've been following the logs for a couple of months and figured it was a good opportunity to pop in.	[04:34]
ben_vulpes	welcome. into the wot with ye.	[04:36]
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usg_press_machin	Surely it can't be that easy.	[04:38]
ben_vulpes	do you have a gpg key? a bitcoin address?	[04:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	surely if you're derping about bitcoin you've access to a privkey.	[04:39]
usg_press_machin	Both	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	you want ;;eregister and ;;everify	[04:39]
decimation	he did not require an up, note	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	oh wat	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	;;ident usg_press_machin	[04:39]
gribble	Nick 'usg_press_machin', with hostmask 'usg_press_machin!6b033f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.3.63.44', is not identified.	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	how is that now?	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	decimation: mircea_popescu upped him	[04:39]
ben_vulpes	troll	[04:40]
ben_vulpes	;;eregister	[04:40]
gribble	(eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)	[04:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00073057 = 8.4016 BTC [-]	[04:40]
decimation	oh sorry I missed that	[04:40]
ben_vulpes	i'm sure you follow, usg_press_machin	[04:40]
ben_vulpes	i recommend a better handle tho, lest you get stuck with that one.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	usg_press_machin just how often do you check them hits ?	[04:40]
decimation	usg_press_machin: I assume you are dying to give us pro usg propaganda?	[04:41]
usg_press_machin	Roughly every thirty seconds or so, I spend my life glued to the computer.	[04:41]
usg_press_machin	(Just by chance)	[04:41]
usg_press_machin	Not really - we're not actually paid shills	[04:41]
usg_press_machin	But I suspect we're not that far off - did you all watch that "Declaration of Independence" video?	[04:43]
decimation	I did not.	[04:45]
usg_press_machin	I recommend you take a look - then re-read the blogposts.	[04:45]
decimation	What exactly do you mean by "ECDSA is not perfect. "	[04:45]
usg_press_machin	https://www.ipa.go.jp/security/enc/CRYPTREC/fy15/doc/1004_R3_ECDSA.pdf	[04:46]
usg_press_machin	But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points.	[04:47]
decimation	you seem to confuse "widespread adoption" with "powerful"	[04:55]
usg_press_machin	In what sense?	[04:56]
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mircea_popescu	Surely it can't be that easy. << why not ?!	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points. << how do you figure this has anything to do with ecdsa ?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	you can kill yourself with paracetamol too, doesn't make paracetamol faulty.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	!up usg_press_machin	[05:09]
-assbot-	You voiced usg_press_machin for 30 minutes.	[05:09]
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mircea_popescu	i keep forgetting about that and then talking at meanwhile devoiced ppls.	[05:09]
usg_press_machin	Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.	[05:10]
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mircea_popescu	not all its users.	[05:10]
usg_press_machin	Not all of them, of course.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	so then it dun matter that the derps misuse it.	[05:11]
usg_press_machin	Maybe. But the question is, do you want the derps to use it at all	[05:11]
usg_press_machin	?	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	i don't care if they do.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people to ride bykes ?	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	maybe, i guess, on like the 3rd or so meta level.	[05:12]
usg_press_machin	What do you want Bitcoin to achieve?	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	nothing lol.	[05:12]
usg_press_machin	What're you in it for?	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	to quote an old timer, "i have no idea, [you] just wandered in here one day and started talking"	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[05:14]
atcbot	0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	%d	[05:14]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is a normal function of the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into these for anything other than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing the things that there are.	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	44389, Almost 7 hours ago... I'm not sure ATC bot' %tslb... quite works...	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	%p	[05:16]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wlel if hash went away ?	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	I guess it's time to trade paper ATC IOU's (maybe joking?)	[05:16]
usg_press_machin	So what's wrong with doing bitcoin while... say, obeying the law and paying taxes?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	what's wrong with having sex while not getting an erection ?	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	nothing, i guess.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	there is definitely something wrong if trying to present that as anything but fucking weird.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	i mean i get it, some people can't. which is fine. but don't go around claiming impotence as a virtue.	[05:17]
usg_press_machin	But this is the thing with my question about asking why you're into bitcoin.	[05:17]
usg_press_machin	If you're into it to go to the moon - mass adoption (hence legal frameworks) are key	[05:18]
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usg_press_machin	if you're into it to fight the state, then go for it, I can respect that viewpoint.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c here's a good one for you : http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money/ (Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000.)	[05:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:18]
assbot	Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money - Diane Mulcahy - Harvard Business Review	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	usg_press_machin if you read the logs, you've seen how well this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't fit.	[05:18]
usg_press_machin	What's your view on it then? I'm openminded.	[05:19]
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decimation	bitcoin doesn't need anyone to have an opinion or thought about it in order to exist	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	myeah. it's not a collective dream.	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	usg_press_machin: There's at least 800 different alternatives to your two presented options and there are 796 of those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	and no, people don't "shape it" in that sense.	[05:20]
decimation	bitcoin has already gone to the moon, some of the world hasn't figured that out yet	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and here's one for you : http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html jeez im on a roll today.	[05:21]
assbot	A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	"It's time for PGP to die. " sez author.	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	And a follow up talking around problems https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/certificate-transparency-for-pgp/	[05:24]
assbot	certificate transparency for PGP? \| discrete blogarithm	[05:24]
ben_vulpes	!s with PGP	[05:24]
decimation	the fact that he says that the cryptography is old (and therefore bad) pretty much explains his cryptographic chops	[05:24]
assbot	40 results for 'with PGP' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=with+PGP	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it's so lulzy, the crap these people publish. "o i hate pgp, it's too secure, pls to use centrally distributed keys, so much lightyears better"	[05:25]
ben_vulpes	y'r late, boss	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	worst time to be stupid in the history of the world.	[05:25]
decimation	but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses	[05:25]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2014#796144	[05:25]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes omfg check that out	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	im way late.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	sorry asciilifeform sorry chan. behind on my reading it seems	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And they completely forget that if you NEED end to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all the time.	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses << Is that what you want the oncologist to do?	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	by now i can sorta distinguish the noobs from the veterans because the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas the veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body.	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	gmanul	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	gmanul gmauls gmail	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment the other day	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	"plz for to plaintext"	[05:28]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-great-post-of-rebuttals/	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"The lack of transparent key management in PGP isn't unfixable. For those who don't trust Google or Yahoo, there are experimental systems like Keybase.io that attempt to tie keys to user identities."	[05:28]
decimation	I would agree with his point that the pgp protocol is complex, but I suspect that anything that tries to solve the same problems will have similar complexity	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	yeah, THAT is the solution. keybase.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	please get me some anti-eyeroll tape i might strain something.	[05:28]
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ben_vulpes	kakobrekla: dunno if you're into this sort of thing but if you grabbed the logline in question with the same js that does the highlighting and slammed it into would it show up for assbot to read directly into the chan?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation what part is complex anwyay ?	[05:29]
ben_vulpes	mind you i have no idea how assbot renders pages internally	[05:29]
ben_vulpes	or if there are less retarded ways to accomplish same	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	"(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << best part :D	[05:29]
ben_vulpes	now if !s stuff defaulted to ignoring bots as well...	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	"A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	ahahaah that';s right. submerged altogether!	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck am i going to make gilded business cards then ?	[05:32]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes url hash tags dont get sent to the server.	[05:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12717 @ 0.00072297 = 9.194 BTC [-]	[05:33]
ben_vulpes	kakobrekla: if the js that highlights the line also alters the title node would assbot be able to read that title?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.	[05:33]
kakobrekla	there are ways to execute js w/o a browser but that is kinda silly.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	there's no rule of nature that says the us can never be so identified. for those people who do make that identification, you're a criminal.	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	ah well	[05:34]
usg_press_machin	mircea_popescu yes but I don't think paying taxes to the USG - no matter what the USG does - is Nuremberg material.	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	another good idea dies on the spikes of pressed shitboard	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	so you don't think.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	do you know who else didn't think ?	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	everyone at nurnberg.	[05:35]
usg_press_machin	Reductio ad, not going to take the bait there.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	how would you know ?	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	the future is eminently unknowable. i for one am definitely going to push for hangings.	[05:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00072316 = 18.9468 BTC [+] {2}	[05:36]
usg_press_machin	It's a question of legal convention. Paying legal taxes to a legally installed government has never, ever been considered a war crime. I'll take my chances	[05:36]
kakobrekla	it would be prolly better to detect log url, parse it and just go after the line directly in db	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	here's the legal convention : anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice in siberia.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	it's what the tradition points to, at any rate.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	and as to "never ever" : pre nurenberg, this trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	precedent happens.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.	[05:38]
usg_press_machin	Is there a rebellion?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	the situation is in fact quite symmetrical, whichever side you're on the other will prolly not like it.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.	[05:39]
usg_press_machin	I'd disagree - that'd be protest. Rebellion implies something a bit more organised, serious, and threatening.	[05:39]
usg_press_machin	And generally involving force of arms.	[05:39]
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mircea_popescu	how's this formal approach to things worked for you so far ?	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	to me it sounds kinda like "a movie can't be good if it doesn't have car chases and those anti-physical sparks bullets make in hollywood"	[05:40]
justusranvier	http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2010/03/30/bonds-what-bonds/	[05:41]
assbot	Bonds? What Bonds? \| Liberty RoundTable	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	(but it rests me at ease to hear from the usg_press_machine itself that crypto is no longer armament)	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	!up usg_press_machin	[05:42]
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justusranvier	I like Tom Baugh's tendency to corrupt the youth	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	that's more sexual perversion than rebellion neh ?	[05:43]
justusranvier	Read the last paragraph of that article	[05:43]
usg_press_machin	Thanks Mircea. I think crypto has a place to carve out individual privacy, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the only option is to view the relationship in terms of conflict. Reading now	[05:43]
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mircea_popescu	all relationship is conflict.	[05:44]
usg_press_machin	Maybe. Depends on the definitions we use.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	and privacy is not at stake. sovereignty is at stake.	[05:44]
usg_press_machin	Again, maybe. It depends on where you draw that line.	[05:45]
usg_press_machin	And what definitions you use.	[05:45]
ben_vulpes	pity those of us fighting for sovereignty	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	not like it's exactly a mystery what definitions i use :D	[05:46]
usg_press_machin	If "sovereign" means "monopoly on the use of force" or determining how force should be used, I'm in the camp that the state makes that call. There should be exceptions and limitations, and it's the task of politically active people to make sure those lines reflect their views.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	you can be in any camp you want, because with bitcoin what camp you're in dun matter anymore.	[05:46]
usg_press_machin	mircea_popescu definitely not!	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	the state can't exist.	[05:47]
justusranvier	Point of order: "the state" doesn't exist. People exist, buildings exist, guns exist, drones exist.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	love ?	[05:47]
usg_press_machin	I mean, it's not a reified critter, definitely. But it qua legal fiction certainly exists - it's an abstraction.	[05:47]
justusranvier	"the state" is an excuse one group of people make up to explain why their crimes are actually virtuous	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	not an effectual one anymore.	[05:48]
usg_press_machin	I think it was Hannah Arendt who pointed it out - "bureaucracy is rule by nobody"	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	well bureaucracy needs to control the money, and so that's the end of that.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	the state as a voluntary association, all they who choose and wish to pay taxe sand obeys the law is what we have here already.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	and it dun look all that "normal".	[05:49]
justusranvier	Murder is murder, no matter what kind of costume somebody wears. "The state" is the lie that a magic costume can turn murder into "public policy" or some other such nonsense.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier you'll never get out of killing people.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	as distasteful as that reality may be.	[05:50]
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justusranvier	True, there will always be murders. What can be ended is the myth that murder isn't evil just because somebody drapes a fancy title on themselves and cloaks their actions in euphamisms	[05:51]
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ben_vulpes	a wild!	[05:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18821 @ 0.00072497 = 13.6447 BTC [+]	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	that's also never going away. if i thought the victim was kinda cool i'd not have killed them. once i killed them, obviously i will go on thinking they sucked.	[05:51]
justusranvier	The myth has nothing to do with the mindset of the murder - it's about everbody else.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	maybe the murderer is persuasive ?	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	statistically, some will be.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	the salem trials is the convenient case study here. you can decry them as "incipient government establishing itself the way government establiushes itself all time, all places : through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.	[05:53]
justusranvier	Psychopaths gonna psycho in any situation. The current situation is that when certain psychopaths put on the right costume, all of a sudden something flips in everybody else's brains wherein they regard the actions of the psychopath in completely oppostie moral terms.	[05:54]
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mircea_popescu	well ok, so now we can agree, the problem is the red tape.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	"this isn't a good apple because its not fda approved" "have you tasted it ?" "i don't need to"	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	has nothing to do with murder. everything to do with college degrees, global warming and so on.	[05:55]
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usg_press_machin	I think the problem is that governments can do nasty things. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I do so within the rules the system sets out; MP does it his own way. Different approaches.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	that ~used~ to be the problem, before we met, for many years.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	the reason we met is because for a few years that is no longer the problem.	[05:59]
usg_press_machin	What, playing ball?	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	the problem now is that government has no further reason to exist and no means of supporting itself.	[05:59]
usg_press_machin	Agree to disagree on the last point.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	no biggy.	[06:00]
usg_press_machin	Word.	[06:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3557 @ 0.00072752 = 2.5878 BTC [+]	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	;;google malpidity	[06:04]
gribble	Malpidity \| Bingo Blog: ; The Idiocrats \| Bingo Blog: ; BingoBoingo \| Bingo Blog:	[06:04]
usg_press_machin	mircea_popescu if you're ever in London drop a line. Would be happy to thrash this out over a beer sometime.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	i hate london, and why do you think a pub somewhere'd be a better venue ?!	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	USG likes roofies?	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	people think best with a written record, i find.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol yeah, ~that's~ totally happening.	[06:08]
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BingoBoingo	!up dpb_twitter	[06:09]
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dpb_twitter	KEOW KEOW OOI	[06:09]
dpb_twitter	it's me, everyone's favorite xanthyos	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Doping your drink in London though might be the USG's one chance to try to rape you for a change	[06:09]
dpb_twitter	dpb is pwning the forums with his #derpreport	[06:09]
usg_press_machin	Ha! Not necessarily a better one. But as BingoBoingo pointed out, USG shillery always better in person	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	In mean those drones with their extradition bombs and all that jazz	[06:10]
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BingoBoingo	The slavegirls mounting a rescue op to reverse-extradite	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	anyone read teh derpreport in question ?	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've been following his forum trolling a bit, some decent reads	[06:12]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/hashtag/derpreport?f=realtime&src=hash	[06:13]
assbot	Twitter / Suche - #derpreport	[06:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up usg_press_machin	[06:14]
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usg_press_machin	thx BingoBoingo	[06:14]
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ben_vulpes	;;isitdown danielpbarron.com	[06:20]
gribble	danielpbarron.com is up	[06:20]
ben_vulpes	http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/837801-anyone-using-bitcoin-yet.html#post9419497 << such patience	[06:22]
assbot	Is Anyone Using Bitcoin Yet?	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	speaking of specialised hardware, anyone got a box somewhere they want to rent me ?	[06:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what kind ?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	the mining kind	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	%p	[06:25]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	this thing needs some support.	[06:26]
mod6	yea	[06:26]
*	BingoBoingo wonders how much a Petahash is to rent...	[06:27]
*	asciilifeform wonders how much atomic dirigible is to rent	[06:28]
*	ben_vulpes has estimated the roi on renting hashes for atc	[06:28]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body << wait, vs. what ?	[06:29]
asciilifeform	anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice << nah. most of them (including herr dzugashvili...) just got a new krysha.	[06:31]
asciilifeform	and not a few of the best gestapo folks ended up in stasi, etc.	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform firefox extensions and whatnot	[06:33]
asciilifeform	lol!	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, most of them had enough sense to get in the wot. kinda my point there.	[06:33]
usg_press_machin	Right chaps, I'm out. Night all.	[06:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00072509 = 12.8341 BTC [-]	[06:38]
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decimation	"what part is complex [of pgp]" << when I do a gpg --list-packets --verbose < pubkey I find much that I desire to be documented	[06:43]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you know of a document that gives a detailed description of the innards of gpg file formats etc?	[06:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: rfc-4880.	[06:44]
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decimation	ah yeah that's what I want thanks	[06:46]
asciilifeform	(no, it isn't sold in dead tree, make your own if you must)	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739638	[06:46]
assbot	Bitcoin sites leaked :( - Big bitcoin members emails database	[06:46]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you think that this protocol could be made to be more simple?	[06:46]
asciilifeform	decimation: it's pretty simple, at least with regard to the basics	[06:47]
asciilifeform	decimation: one can - and i do - disregard the useless crud	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	no argument there's a lot of useless crud in there.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/KaWsDgdq << lulzy. what's with all the colors ?	[06:48]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'cardano, design and operation' will include a nicely whittled version of 4880.	[06:48]
assbot	[MySQL] Bitcoin Database Hacked - more than 4500 emails/pass free - Pastebin.com	[06:48]
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mircea_popescu	!up diatonic	[06:49]
-assbot-	You voiced diatonic for 30 minutes.	[06:50]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: "syntax: MYSQL"	[06:50]
decimation	asciilifeform: I presume you are going to dump support for useless cryptos and compressions, etc?	[06:52]
asciilifeform	decimation: how'd you guess.	[06:53]
decimation	obvious is obvious I guess :)	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	%p	[06:54]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[06:54]
decimation	it seems to me that the cli for signing subkeys is less straightforward than it could be as well	[06:54]
asciilifeform	decimation: that's nothing to do with 4880	[06:54]
decimation	asciilifeform: no, that's a complaint about the gpg user interface	[06:54]
ben_vulpes	"code works fine, user is broken"	[06:56]
ben_vulpes	somewhere between "its possible but a nightmare" and "all defaults configured for you" is zen ui	[06:57]
Blazedout419	mircea_popescu --> https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256	[06:57]
assbot	Mining Rig Rentals \| Rigs	[06:57]
Blazedout419	never seen any rentals at the 1 PH rate though lol	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	Blazedout419 do they do custom jobs tho ?	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[07:02]
gribble	Current Blocks: 315850 \| Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 \| Next Difficulty In: 661 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 23348390265.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.34166	[07:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00072323 = 12.8373 BTC [-]	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,diff	[07:04]
gribble	Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.	[07:04]
Blazedout419	mircea_popescu you just rent and point them where you want	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[07:04]
gribble	167538378.251	[07:04]
Blazedout419	they have a web interface to add pools etc..	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	%d	[07:05]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133E10 * 1878190.93	[07:05]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[07:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35801 @ 0.00072733 = 26.0391 BTC [+] {2}	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 * 10 *10 1878190.93	[07:05]
gribble	1594904761117739088609280	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 / 10 *10 1878190.93	[07:05]
gribble	15949.0476112	[07:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01284889 = 0.938 BTC [+] {6}	[07:06]
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mircea_popescu	so like 16th for atc ? srsly ?!	[07:06]
*	Blazedout419 51%s it	[07:07]
Blazedout419	Can ATC be merge mined?	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[07:08]
Blazedout419	that is probably the best route for it	[07:09]
decimation	wow almost 20% diff change	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	it got raped.	[07:09]
decimation	some environmental concern troll should write a blog about how asic mining will make the blockchain green, because it will be more thermally efficient	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	i look forward to the day random derps all over the us can't afford internet derpage anymore because bitcoin competition has made electricity too expensive.	[07:10]
decimation	heh. what they don't 'fairly' compare is the cost of transacting business in usd	[07:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol, why would anyone mine in usa	[07:11]
decimation	in some states the electric rates might be competitive, but then you pays your taxes...	[07:12]
decimation	I know a guy who was mining in hawaii with $0.3 kWh rates	[07:12]
asciilifeform	why build what will later be confiscated, nationalized.	[07:14]
decimation	maybe you think you can 'time' the arrival of the NKVD	[07:14]
asciilifeform	if 'wisdom is getting on the train one day before everybody else' (TM) - folly is 'trying to get on the train exactly one day before everybody else.'	[07:16]
asciilifeform	re: user interface << a 'clean ui' doesn't mean what people often think it means. e.g. a lathe has three knobs. what could be simpler. and yet.	[07:19]
decimation	hopefully we can be on the same gasenwagen to the sharashka then ascii :)	[07:19]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yeah I think of moldbug's post on hubristic user interfaces when I think of bad UI	[07:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19897 @ 0.00072951 = 14.5151 BTC [+]	[07:22]
asciilifeform	there are at least as many ways for bad ui as for bad food	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	;;tslb	[07:24]
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gribble	Time since last block: 14 minutes and 24 seconds	[07:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9507 @ 0.00073062 = 6.946 BTC [+] {2}	[07:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22591 @ 0.00073141 = 16.5233 BTC [+] {2}	[07:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1873 @ 0.00073169 = 1.3705 BTC [+]	[07:35]
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BingoBoingo	%p	[07:42]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.18 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[07:42]
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BingoBoingo	%p	[07:45]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.36 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[07:45]
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BingoBoingo	%tslb	[07:51]
atcbot	1 minutes and 25 seconds	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00073331 = 39.2321 BTC [+] {2}	[07:51]
BingoBoingo	%d	[07:52]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 117934.75 in 1978 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.72	[07:52]
BingoBoingo	%p	[07:53]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.83 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[07:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073341 = 6.8941 BTC [+]	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	Blazedout419: I guess this rent a rig can work	[07:56]
Blazedout419	Indeed it works well	[07:56]
Blazedout419	%p	[07:57]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[07:57]
Blazedout419	wow all the 50TH are rented now	[07:57]
Blazedout419	we about to see 200TH?!?!	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	I dunno, I only rented 1.4	[07:58]
Blazedout419	ah	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	And only for 8.5 hours	[07:58]
Blazedout419	someone rented a lot	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	But where is it pointed?	[07:58]
Blazedout419	I need to move my miners and rent them out...pays a lot more	[07:58]
Blazedout419	BingoBoingo no idea..people love to speculate	[07:58]
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BingoBoingo	WHY is this pool paying me change when my hash is finding blocks!!! Mining is a scam!!!	[08:09]
BingoBoingo	Am I paying off ancient debts this pool owes to its loyal miners and all of their 0.03 Terahash?	[08:12]
decimation	yeah all of those miners except one would lose the tenant money (mining bitcoin) ... one wonders if there are 'other motivations' to mine...	[08:15]
BingoBoingo	Mining already has me feeling dirty	[08:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20809 @ 0.00073218 = 15.2359 BTC [-] {3}	[08:16]
decimation	mining returns about 25 satoshis per megahash per day, prices start at 28.5 satoshi per megahash per day for daily terms...	[08:20]
Blazedout419	Every new miner sold will not likely ROI or turn a profit...yet they sell out over and over	[08:21]
Blazedout419	Makes you wonder	[08:21]
BingoBoingo	Well, this is ATC if that makes any difference	[08:24]
decimation	yeah I guess if you can mine altcoin it might make more sense	[08:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18070 @ 0.00072978 = 13.1871 BTC [-]	[08:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00072951 = 4.6856 BTC [-]	[08:26]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts	[08:27]
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RagnarDanneskjol	1,077,310,518 DOGE have been burned for XDP = $147,063.66	[08:29]
ben_vulpes	xdp?	[08:29]
RagnarDanneskjol	dogeparty	[08:30]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-community-burning-currency-dogeparty/2014/08/14	[08:30]
assbot	Dogecoin Community Burning Currency for Dogeparty » CryptoCoinsNews	[08:30]
ben_vulpes	hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least	[08:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	mhmm	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	urge	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	to scam	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	rising	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	must	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	retain	[08:31]
ben_vulpes	integrity	[08:31]
nubbins`	hmm	[08:33]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zKhsT5naI&list=RDCwrIXCItNgs#t=63	[08:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:35]
assbot	Lazerhawk - So Far Away - YouTube	[08:35]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zKhsT5naI&list=RDCwrIXCItNgs#t=63	[08:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:35]
assbot	Lazerhawk - So Far Away - YouTube	[08:35]
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nubbins`	;;notes	[08:37]
gribble	I currently have notes waiting for aldur1, benkay, birdman, bitcodernoob, coinfire, D-Dimer, davetherave, dotcoin, eggbot, everyone, jcpham, Kingdom, mariogrip, mexual, mike_c, netsplit, nubbins, pete_dushenki, randywaterhouse, Retro, RetroUpriser, Rozal, the, ThickasTheives, thickasthieves, TimSwanson, trustedcoinhu, tysat, vexual, and yotagada.	[08:37]
nubbins`	;;notes nubbins	[08:37]
gribble	Sent 2 days, 2 hours, and 53 minutes ago: fap to this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/08/12/the_sec_s_antimodern_logo_evokes_southern_tradition_authenticity.html	[08:37]
nubbins`	heh	[08:37]
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benkay	;;ping	[08:38]
gribble	pong	[08:38]
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ben_vulpes	well that was anticlimactic	[08:38]
ben_vulpes	hm	[08:38]
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dotcoin	;;ping	[08:38]
gribble	pong	[08:38]
dotcoin	ho ho ho	[08:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00072486 = 14.3885 BTC [-]	[08:39]
everyone	;;ping	[08:39]
gribble	pong	[08:39]
*	everyone is now known as benkay	[08:39]
benkay	well there's a neat little hole in gribble	[08:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00072442 = 9.0915 BTC [-]	[08:40]
benkay	;;ident davetherave	[08:40]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[08:40]
benkay	;;gpg info davetherave	[08:40]
gribble	No such user registered.	[08:40]
benkay	;;gpg info randywaterhouse	[08:40]
gribble	No such user registered.	[08:40]
benkay	;;bcinfo randywaterhouse	[08:40]
gribble	Error: "bcinfo" is not a valid command.	[08:40]
benkay	hm	[08:40]
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thickasthieves	;;ping	[08:41]
gribble	pong	[08:41]
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ben_vulpes	nanotube: ^^ you probably know about this one but have a bit of disclosure anyways	[08:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00273289 = 0.6149 BTC [-] {5}	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts << you mining atc or btc ?	[08:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ATC	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least << the theory that doge is worth dollars, as in over 1, is still lulzy.	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo anyway the idea of a pool is that you share your stuff	[08:53]
BingoBoingo	So far for contributing 99%+ of the hash that solved 2 blocks I recieved... 24 ATC... P2Pool powered pools are weird	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	so you don't get any credit for what you find, merely for the hashes.	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't bother with a pool for atc tbh	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	%p	[08:54]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[08:54]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'd rather not have some shady rented hash pointed directly at my altcoind	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	ah dignork has a point, you'll get more later prolly.	[08:55]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, since you're using friendly ppl i wouldn't much expect actual scam	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	tho thinking about it i dun recall who's running coinminer	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	%d	[08:57]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 120772.86 in 1977 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.57	[08:57]
BingoBoingo	I think just whatever altcoin person running pools that found Altcoin on the forum first	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	you know you only could have found 1 block	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	it was 78 earlier	[08:57]
dignork	BingoBoingo: for 8 hours run i'm not sure it's worth it, but it's actually pretty easy to set a temp stratum server, and point miners there.	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	Both happened after I fired this thing up and the pool's previous hash was 0.03 Th/s	[08:58]
dignork	basically mine solo	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo how much didja pay for the 8 hours ?	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: 0.015 BTC, It's a loss, but an educational one.	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	quite educational.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	8 hours 1.6th ?	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	The rig advertises 1.4, but it's been reporting ~1.32-1.55, not very stable this beast	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	%p]	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	%p	[09:00]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.55 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.015 * 3 * 90	[09:00]
gribble	4.05	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	it's really not so bad.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	;;seen thickasthieves	[09:01]
gribble	thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 minutes and 30 seconds ago: ;;ping	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is that possible, i dun see him	[09:02]
decimation	BingoBoingo: what was the hashrate?	[09:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Before or after I rented this?	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	was ~0 lol	[09:02]
decimation	I mean of the rig you rented	[09:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation: 1.4 TH/s	[09:03]
decimation	;;calc (0.015*3)/1.4e6	[09:04]
gribble	Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1)	[09:04]
decimation	so 32 satoshis per day per megahash, not a bad price	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	bout what Blazedout419 list was showing	[09:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's where I rented it	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	ah k	[09:08]
decimation	the lesson is that if you have access to mining hardware your best move is to rent it out, not use it for your own hashing	[09:13]
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nubbins`	[03:11:09] <+thickasthieves> ;;ping	[09:21]
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pete_dushenski	well howdy	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	heyu	[09:32]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[09:35]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[09:35]
pete_dushenski	we already have assbot, so why not?	[09:35]
pete_dushenski	nao i just need to sort out what sassbot, the real bot that is, can do for b-a...	[09:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up lordbunson	[09:37]
-assbot-	You voiced lordbunson for 30 minutes.	[09:37]
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pete_dushenski	As an outsider, it is (anthropologically) interesting to watch a bunch of (predominantly) white (predominantly) Americans (and Canadians) purport to claim that an interesting payment protocol will solve world peace, governmental overreach, and all the other ills of modernity. << as an insider, i find his use of brackets (fucktarded)	[09:38]
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mircea_popescu	how the fuck are bitcoiners predominantly north us ?	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	"as a derp bathing in the lake, i find it interesting to pretend like the lake fauna is pretending to be the whole world. anthropologically!"	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	"i don't speak anything but english and english is mostly spoken in north america. i find this statistically interesting!"	[09:40]
pete_dushenski	"as a man stewed in the secular religion of science, let me share with you its inner workings"	[09:41]
pete_dushenski	"having completed an undergrad degree in north americanism, i'm uniquely qualified"	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	"let me tell you what i think of all the things i know nothing about. it's the reddinternet!"	[09:43]
pete_dushenski	"as long as i have my keyboard, i have my freedom and justice will prevail"	[09:44]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/500404503980806144	[09:48]
assbot	Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin http://t.co/vIOaxSoN3x >/techreview	[09:48]
pete_dushenski	it really doesn't get much lulzier	[09:48]
pete_dushenski	other than, perhaps, another derp knocking pgp… moments before stepping down from eff	[09:50]
pete_dushenski	https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/certificate-transparency-for-pgp/	[09:50]
assbot	certificate transparency for PGP? \| discrete blogarithm	[09:50]
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pete_dushenski	also http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html?m=1	[09:52]
assbot	A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?	[09:52]
pete_dushenski	usg guns ablazin' !	[09:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00072448 = 7.5708 BTC [+] {2}	[09:53]
pete_dushenski	"If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP." << fucking golden	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you know the cryptoderpengineering thing was linked 2x	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	including that quote :D	[09:57]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage?	[09:57]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:57]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: well now i do lol	[09:57]
pete_dushenski	still only at 0:51 on today's logs!	[09:58]
pete_dushenski	my apologies	[09:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18091 @ 0.00072398 = 13.0975 BTC [-]	[10:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20826 @ 0.00072495 = 15.0978 BTC [+] {2}	[10:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0007257 = 13.5757 BTC [+] {2}	[10:23]
pete_dushenski	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/15/german-startup-says-its-new-chip-halves-bitcoin-mining-energy/?mod=rss_Technology << uhuh	[10:24]
assbot	German Startup Says Its New Chip Halves Bitcoin Mining Energy - Digits - WSJ	[10:24]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-china-tibet-idUSKBN0GF13V20140815	[10:26]
assbot	China opens $2-billion extension of controversial Tibet railway\| Reuters	[10:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.001585 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {2}	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	%d	[10:42]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 126204.18 in 1974 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.28	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	%p	[10:42]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[10:42]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.40099999 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.71088674 BTC. Current weight: 10,679.	[10:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00072584 = 9.4606 BTC [+]	[10:55]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/	[11:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2010/03/30/bonds-what-bonds/ << the problem with this nonsense is that while the bonds do in fact in some very torturous sense make the kids "slaves", nevertheless the kids also get all the shit that the bonds bought.	[11:05]
assbot	Bonds? What Bonds? \| Liberty RoundTable	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	like, kid doesn't have to go to the forest, cut logs and make a schoolhouse before he can have a basic math class.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	same kid doesn't have to lay optic cable before he reads silly derpage on the internet.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	so yeah, it's a give and take sort of deal. it only becomes problematic when fuckwits get a hold of the reins.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	now if all these noob bloggers would learn to stop using disqus, the world would be such a much better place.	[11:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00072349 = 21.1259 BTC [-]	[11:15]
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sgornick	Who is cascadianhacker.com ? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html <-- Bandwidth Limit Exceeded	[13:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14508 @ 0.00072341 = 10.4952 BTC [-] {2}	[13:40]
fluffypony	sgornick: it's ben_vulpes' blog	[13:48]
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mircea_popescu	sgornick ben_vulpes	[14:31]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2479145	[14:44]
assbot	Is the 52-Week High Momentum Strategy Profitable in the Foreign Exchange Market? by Ahmad Raza, Ben R. Marshall, Nuttawat Visaltanachoti :: SSRN	[14:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4668 @ 0.00072371 = 3.3783 BTC [-]	[15:17]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[22:03]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[22:03]
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Diablo-D3	diametric diana_coman diatonic dignork Dimsler	[22:05]
Diablo-D3	diametric diana_coman diatonic dignork Dimsler	[22:05]
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BingoBoingo	%p	[22:05]
atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.28 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha mod6 you've been beat BY A GIRL ?!?!?!	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	wd diana_coman, the first eulora crafter.	[22:06]
mthreat	http://i.imgur.com/BwL1ofW.jpg	[22:09]
mthreat	(in Argentina)	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	alfajores! :D	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	they're nuts with those things, i've seen them advertised with lanky adolescent legs, with cars i think,	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	it's almost as if argentines think alfajores are mana.	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	%d	[22:13]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so your 1.5 bitcents bought like 10 blocks ?	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: 11	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 150000 / 11 / 512	[22:16]
gribble	26.6335227273	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	you actually got 5k atc to show for it ?!	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	Well, 1900 and more coming if this pools ever solves moar blocks. Apparently I get paid later	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	Should have just set up to solo	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	i'm game. you're authorised to spend 1 btc mpif funds to rent atc hashpower, which includes cover for the prev 1.5 btc.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	try an' get a good deal.	[22:19]
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BingoBoingo	I'll shop around	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-105428 << why are people so mean to me ;/	[22:20]
assbot	The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo get something going meanwhile.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	another few bitcents to keep that thing going won't be anyone's concern. maybe see if you can contact the rig owner or w/e. wriggle it in.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	and in any case have stuff ready to go once diff drops, keep it sort-of level.	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00072321 = 15.2236 BTC [+]	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	"It looked like a pile of numbered cubes as it bobbed gently and flew over the landscape and under the sea. It was Boxy and it had not a worry in the world nor in his head, for his head had holes shaped like one, two, three… But it had no purpose either and so it was in search of a purpose that he explored the whole land of Eulora – a land that was just learning to be."	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ahah that is just great.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	!up AndChat\|679296	[22:24]
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BingoBoingo	dignork: How does this setting up a stratum server work?	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	and who's running coinminer again ? hey! you here ?	[22:25]
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BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.0	[22:26]
assbot	[Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	!up CS1980	[22:28]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sent him a PM on the forum	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	Hello CS1980	[22:28]
CS1980	hello everyone	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	for some reason i thought someone in the wot was running an atc pool.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	i guess i got confused.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	CS1980 who're you ?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.msg5870328#msg5870328 lol	[22:29]
assbot	[Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There's also Pity the Pool, but they... are reporting 0 hash	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	o, you mean even when you mine ?	[22:30]
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BingoBoingo	Haven't mined it yet but I'll point a trickle there to see if they report anything... Once I make an account as I am nao	[22:31]
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diana_coman	hello all	[22:34]
diana_coman	thanks mircea_popescu	[22:34]
diana_coman	any pointers to figure out atc? I have no idea on it, lol	[22:34]
Chris_Sabian	which part of ATC?	[22:34]
Diablo-D3	diametric diana_coman diatonic dignork Dimsler	[22:35]
diana_coman	any part, I know nothing more about it than that I won 500 of it lol	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	diana_coman it's just a direct btc clone, really. you can even use btc addresses for it.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	%t	[22:35]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 5k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 188	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	%d	[22:36]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	that'd be it ^	[22:36]
diana_coman	uh oh, then...why ? I'm fine with btc, lol	[22:36]
Chris_Sabian	ThickAsThieves started it as a CoinGen bitcoin clone in late january 2014. people have been mining since then. they are worth about 200 satoshi	[22:36]
Diablo-D3	diametric diana_coman diatonic dignork Dimsler	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	diana_coman it's mostly a b-a insider joke.	[22:36]
diana_coman	mircea_popescu ahh, now I remember something from the logs, I had rather skipped it though so far as not-on-my-list	[22:37]
diana_coman	will go back and have a look, thanks	[22:37]
Chris_Sabian	not sure if there has been any development on atc or if there will ever be	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	well for instance you can play wol.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	or you mean ON THE PROTOCOL ?	[22:38]
Chris_Sabian	either.	[22:39]
Chris_Sabian	i've heard of wol but never looked into it.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	only altchain you can play wol on.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	https://btc.waroflife.com/	[22:40]
assbot	War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/24/ this actually looks kinda pretty.	[22:40]
assbot	Game 24 - Death 4336 Life 5664 Year 1000 - War of Life	[22:40]
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atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[22:49]
mod6	not the predicted 93% of the broken bitcoin-asset bot. << dick. this number comes from atc.blockr.io	[22:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00072189 = 9.3846 BTC [-] {2}	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 he has a point, it doesn't move more than 4x either way on a recalibration	[22:54]
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BingoBoingo	Ah, PitythePool just doesn't work	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	however, it's purely academic. so it takes more blocks. same deal.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo a fine mess! where is tat! :D	[22:54]
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mod6	mircea_popescu: maybe so. the bot just reports what it's handed. just trying to defend my code's honor so to speak. lol	[22:55]
-tomaw-	[Global Notice] Sorry about the noise - it seems one of our hubs had some issues so we've worked around it for now.	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	Yes, where is Tat!	[22:57]
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atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.19 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s	[23:04]
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BingoBoingo	Emailed the PitythePool guy	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	!up railzand	[23:08]
-assbot-	You voiced railzand for 30 minutes.	[23:08]
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railzand	Thank you Mr P. I'm the idiot who broke altcoin. I beg your forgiveness	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	railzand: What did you do?	[23:10]
railzand	I pointed 12.5 T at it on a stratum server	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	railzand lol hey, it's supposed to be tried out.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	so point 12.5t at it again.	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	(and leave it there?)	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	well not rly, just, get diff more in line with mkt value	[23:13]
railzand	Is that my punishment? I am but a poor peon...	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	lol what, you rented it ?	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust railzand	[23:14]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user railzand: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=railzand \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=railzand \| Rated since: never	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	railzand: Which stratum server was this?	[23:14]
railzand	Yes rented from a guy who knows how to do all that	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	well so did you actually make a profit ?	[23:15]
railzand	I made .2x real coin and 43000 alt	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	sounds a little under my earlier estimate :o	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, so get the guy in question to come here. we were looking for someone to rent from anyway	[23:16]
railzand	ok	[23:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up X-Rob	[23:19]
-assbot-	You voiced X-Rob for 30 minutes.	[23:19]
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X-Rob	Morning 8)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	heya. who're you ?	[23:19]
X-Rob	Just a guy	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[23:19]
railzand	X-Rob saw me through the raping of altcoin	[23:19]
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mircea_popescu	X-Rob so you're this guy http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798617 ?	[23:20]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[23:20]
X-Rob	Yeah	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	aite, so you got some hash to rent out ?	[23:21]
X-Rob	Yeah, I do!	[23:22]
X-Rob	https://leaserig.net/index.jsp?fprovider=xrobau&t=1	[23:22]
assbot	LeaseRig.net - Mining Rigs - Rent and Lease Mining Rigs for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Altcoin Mining.	[23:22]
kakobrekla	laser rig!	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	lol totally.	[23:22]
X-Rob	However, full disclosure, etc, I'm the guy who caused all that shitstorm with that new unattainum scamcoin	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	what shitstorm was that ?	[23:22]
X-Rob	Excellent	[23:22]
X-Rob	Let's just leave it like that then	[23:22]
X-Rob	(that was the correct answer)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	!s unattanium	[23:23]
assbot	0 results for 'unattanium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unattanium	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	https://www.google.com/search?q=unattanium+scamcoin&complete=0&gws_rd=ssl << i like it when .lk outranks tardstalk	[23:24]
assbot	unattanium scamcoin - Google Search	[23:24]
X-Rob	IT's actually Unattainium	[23:24]
X-Rob	an extra i	[23:24]
X-Rob	however, you can look through my bct ('xrobau') profile for me trying to argue with idiots. I gave up, however.	[23:25]
railzand	;;ident	[23:25]
gribble	Nick 'railzand', with hostmask 'railzand!sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjuerwktzpwyvmkj', is identified as user 'railzand', with GPG key id 449DCE0C3F3952EA, key fingerprint 1CFAF95FA34862FCD62A33A3449DCE0C3F3952EA, and bitcoin address None	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	X-Rob so just like mpoe-pr, two years later.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, so it's either the 1.2 or the 12.7 rig ?	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00072216 = 3.2497 BTC [+] {2}	[23:26]
X-Rob	That's meant to be 13, but a couple of S2s are running slow	[23:26]
X-Rob	so I downspecced it.	[23:27]
X-Rob	and yes	[23:27]
X-Rob	I can organise larger hashrates if you want	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	what i actually want is like 2.x ish	[23:27]
X-Rob	2th?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	something like that.	[23:27]
X-Rob	for how long?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	but i guess the lower one would work. how'd you feel about a longer term deal ? willing to move on the price a little ?	[23:28]
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X-Rob	Depends on how long you want it for	[23:28]
X-Rob	8)	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	something like 3 months	[23:29]
X-Rob	2th for 3 months.	[23:29]
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kakobrekla	if there isnt a significant discount you are better off to rehire every diff change hehe	[23:30]
kakobrekla	i mean btc diff change.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	precisely.	[23:30]
X-Rob	OK	[23:31]
X-Rob	http://www.evolyn.net/bitcoin/mining_calc.php?version_major=2&version_minor=4&presents=none&h=1700&MinerPowerDrain=0&MinerCosts=0&MinerDeliveryTime=0&NetworkBlockHeight=315968&Difficulty=19729645940.577&DifChange0P=%2B10&DifChange0A=0&MiscUSDBTC=400&MiscUSDBTCChange0P=%2B10&MiscElectricityCosts=0.32&MiscCalculationLength=360&MiscShownIntervalLength=30&btn_st	[23:31]
X-Rob	artcalculate=true	[23:31]
assbot	Bitcoin Mining Calculator	[23:31]
X-Rob	Crap	[23:31]
X-Rob	Link's too long	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	we welcome your sausage donation.	[23:31]
X-Rob	that says 2 months = 2btc for 1.7	[23:31]
X-Rob	I'm happy to lease for that	[23:32]
X-Rob	We can do it all through leaserig so you can control where it points	[23:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu and all other 'trinitron' aficionados: when you get the inevitable tube fade, do you boost the electron gun voltage? or bite the bullet and somehow conjure up a new (!) tube ?	[23:32]
X-Rob	3 months is.. unwise.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	is laserig your thing ?	[23:32]
X-Rob	nah, I just rent my gear through there	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i use my displays incredibly low.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	X-Rob well, i dun know em, i dun trust em, and we have a similar problem : you're not in the wot.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	darkroom ?	[23:33]
X-Rob	mircea_popescu: uh I am?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust X-Rob	[23:33]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user X-Rob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=X-Rob \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=X-Rob \| Rated since: Mon May 16 20:47:55 2011	[23:33]
X-Rob	you mean gribble?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	^	[23:33]
X-Rob	;;gettrust xrobau	[23:33]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user xrobau to user xrobau: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xrobau&dest=xrobau \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xrobau \| Rated since: Thu Apr 4 18:48:30 2013	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	yes but that's not how this thing works.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i guess i should have said you're not in mine.	[23:34]
X-Rob	fair enough	[23:34]
X-Rob	well	[23:34]
X-Rob	I'm not anonymous.	[23:34]
X-Rob	I have a reputation thread	[23:34]
X-Rob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513500.0	[23:34]
assbot	xrobau Reputation thread.	[23:34]
kakobrekla	i have a reputation dildo	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	now what was that,	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 200000000 / 1.7 / 60 / 24 / 3600	[23:35]
gribble	22.6942628903	[23:35]
X-Rob	I'm actually away at my inlaws this weekend	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	so like 2.269 satoshi/day or did i just broke the maths ?	[23:35]
X-Rob	and the kids are now up and want to play minecraft on the laptop	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	aite, so return later!	[23:36]
X-Rob	mircea_popescu: use the link I pasted	[23:36]
X-Rob	which is based on http://bit.ly/roi-s2	[23:36]
assbot	Bitcoin Mining Calculator	[23:36]
X-Rob	jsut doubled	[23:36]
X-Rob	8)	[23:36]
X-Rob	anyway, toodles 8-)	[23:36]
*	Sebastan has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[23:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00072159 = 12.3392 BTC [-] {2}	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah well that link doesn't have avalon 3 blades	[23:38]
mod6	I guess I could just put a line in there to set the % est. diff change to -75% of less than that number is received from the source.	[23:39]
*	assbot removes voice from railzand	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	mod6 dun worry about it, it doesn't need fixing.	[23:39]
mod6	ok thx.	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	and of course the spec is a gnarly pos. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon3 anywhere from 310 to 410 w per o.o	[23:42]
assbot	Avalon3 - Bitcoin	[23:42]
asciilifeform	still boggling mind at the newest pgp hatchet job. why the idiocy? or rather, why was it not cushioned in perfectly logical criticism of the spec (crufty; mandates support for hideously weak algos; etc) ?	[23:42]
asciilifeform	almost enough to believe that the author is secretly on the side of the forces of good - i.e. he isn't genuinely trying to fool anyone	[23:43]
asciilifeform	like the mythical einsatzgruppen kommando loading blank shells.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because they can't afford to pay smart people enough.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	can't afford - or won't prioritize ?	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	can.not.afford.	[23:45]
mod6	that seems like a shitton of power for one chip mp O.o	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23921 @ 0.00072431 = 17.3262 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	mod6 he has 6 of em. they're rated 280ish to 310ish ea	[23:46]
asciilifeform	i bet that eth dump could've bought some talent.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	(or, hell, $bignum printed bezzlars)	[23:46]
mod6	huh	[23:46]
*	asciilifeform favours crackpot theory: the seekrit skvirels prefer to enlist 'pure blood aryans' and this is a painful constraint for them	[23:48]
BingoBoingo	lol	[23:48]
*	assbot removes voice from X-Rob	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's provably false : if they did, you'd know what the definition of aryan is.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	definition of aryan << something like herr snowden	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	"something like" is not much of a definition.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	american military tradition borrows heavily from the brits	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	orly. how did they manage to enlist a tranny then ?	[23:51]
*	praeconium has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:51]
asciilifeform	enlist a tranny << slightly different dynamic there. any street scum can enlist as a private	[23:52]
asciilifeform	i think they even removed the age limits recently	[23:52]
*	praeconium (~praeconiu@85.94.103.200) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	but... they gave him the keys.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	'diplomatic' (intelligence) corps are still largely 'aryan' afaik	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	you're trying to sell this conceptual model where in alt-nazi germany one can be hung for being a jew ONLY IF working as a clerk.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, all gravy.	[23:54]
*	donpillou has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[23:54]
asciilifeform	they gave him the keys << the anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	by its very nature aryan-ism has to be universal.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	too painful cognitive dissonance otherwise.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	thus they have issues with quis custodiet ipsos custodes	[23:54]
asciilifeform	^ re: the conundrum of why a private has 'the keys'	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	For those that are unaware, Unattanium is a newish limited-number-of-coins SHA coin. They've recently had to fork the chain, because the difficulty calculations were broken, and it went far too high. Sadly, they've now broken it in the other direction, and the dev seems intent on ignoring this, and abusing or hand-waving the problems away. It's now running at an 8 second block time. For everyone who is NOT facepalming	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	right now, this is faster than blockchain propagation. Basically, it will be amazingly difficulty for the coin to agree on a valid chain, because there will be any number of chains that are almost the same length.	[23:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	what a gem.	[23:55]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:55]
*	asciilifeform returns, every time he thinks about any of this, to the Great Mystery of why our beloved phriends never, ever leak anything interestingly cryptological	[23:57]
*	asciilifeform wants to know wtf is in 'suite A' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323), how AES drips key bits, etc.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	stan's wishlist :D	[23:58]
asciilifeform	if wishes were atomic dirigibles, beggars would rain thermonuclear hell upon their enemies.	[23:59]

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