Forum logs for 15 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes, i ended it. [10:13]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay. [10:23]
mircea_popescu << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle. [10:26]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe... [10:26]
mircea_popescu << two nines! [10:28]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ [10:28]
mircea_popescu << i wish you would have known, and called it here six months early. [10:29]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior. [10:29]
mircea_popescu << that is a large part of it. nobody (but dead souls) was using it anyway. and so the absent reaction to the admission is, "Hey, they accepted it!11". [10:30]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 16:55:40; ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~) [10:30]
mircea_popescu usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees. [10:31]
mircea_popescu much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected! [10:31]
mircea_popescu [by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake! [10:32]
mircea_popescu << at what point did i say easy ? i deal in musts. [10:33]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 16:59:57; ascii_field: << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics. [10:33]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha that came out great. in romanian must = pre wine (stum). [10:34]
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mircea_popescu so... im a wine merchant now! got my own mustarie. [10:34]
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pete_dushenski << right back atcha :) [10:35]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 05:03:12; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה [10:35]
mircea_popescu and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ? [10:35]
mircea_popescu omaigawd jdifs stahp!!111 [10:36]
pete_dushenski it's just a bit of desert tribe scribblies, nothing to fear [10:36]
mircea_popescu good lsnh ? [10:37]
pete_dushenski l'shana tova : happy new year :) [10:37]
mircea_popescu sooo... [10:37]
mircea_popescu aspiring ben can't even speal! [10:38]
pete_dushenski i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest [10:39]
mircea_popescu clearly ben needs some parts cut off. [10:39]
pete_dushenski shana tova = 'a good year' to be more precise [10:39]
pete_dushenski "L'shanah tovah tikatevu" means "May you be inscribed for a good year" [10:39]
mircea_popescu prolly what happened [10:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: that's not my call [10:40]
pete_dushenski the parts, that is [10:40]
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mircea_popescu do we even have an official b-a moyle ? [10:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0007612 = 8.4493 BTC [-] [10:41]
pete_dushenski my whole city doesn't have one. [10:41]
pete_dushenski ~1mn peeps [10:41]
pete_dushenski 'peeps [10:41]
pete_dushenski ' [10:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, the thing's going away. [10:41]
pete_dushenski where to ? progress ? [10:41]
mircea_popescu i dunno [10:42]
pete_dushenski that's like saying kosher's going away [10:42]
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pete_dushenski i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals [10:43]
pete_dushenski til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb. [10:43]
mircea_popescu well yeah [10:43]
pete_dushenski i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american [10:44]
pete_dushenski which is only partially true [10:44]
pete_dushenski americans will use 'c' for both noun and verb, brits differentiate [10:45]
mircea_popescu aha. [10:45]
mircea_popescu here is his practice where he practises medicine. [10:46]
pete_dushenski precisement [10:46]
mircea_popescu << quite very much this. [10:46]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti [10:46]
mircea_popescu it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club. [10:47]
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pete_dushenski << vomit. twitchy. fast. ruineeed. [10:47]
assbot StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void - Allied Commanders Preview - YouTube ... ( ) [10:47]
mircea_popescu not eating with the animals is a very important health practice [10:47]
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mircea_popescu the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field" [10:48]
pete_dushenski i knew that public health training was going to come in handy, but i didn't expect that it be on computers ! [10:48]
mircea_popescu :) [10:48]
mircea_popescu i dunno that anyone but anthropologists even conceptualize interspecies commensalism. [10:48]
pete_dushenski prolly just them [10:49]
mircea_popescu but there was a time, people and jackals ate the same three day old carcasses. [10:50]
mircea_popescu there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery. [10:50]
mircea_popescu that's a very advanced disease, comparatively. [10:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00076227 = 34.6071 BTC [+] [10:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00077072 = 23.7382 BTC [+] {4} [10:52]
pete_dushenski well botulism isn't hard to acquire when you're stuffing umbilical cord stumps with dirt [10:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0007759 = 17.7293 BTC [+] {3} [10:53]
pete_dushenski or feeding babies honey [10:53]
mircea_popescu that latter especially. [10:54]
mircea_popescu (unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.) [10:55]
asciilifeform << if 'it does not need to serve any practical function', then mircea_popescu is in luck! i already have this system! it is even a lisp machine! >>>>> [10:56]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club. [10:56]
assbot Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( ) [10:56]
mircea_popescu lol [10:56]
* mircea_popescu wouldn't mind using that on a few skulls, so. progress! [10:56]
asciilifeform aha, why do you think i wrote it [10:57]
asciilifeform << i rounded, of course. thing is, nobody makes this in ONE ips panel, if anyone did, i would own it. i have tiles. [10:57]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ? [10:57]
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mircea_popescu so you... DO use it ? [10:58]
asciilifeform use what [10:58]
mircea_popescu "unless it runs 10k x 5k i won't use it, except i do". [10:58]
asciilifeform well it runs [10:58]
asciilifeform just with years of non-replicable sweat behind it. [10:58]
mircea_popescu aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it. [10:59]
mircea_popescu the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud [10:59]
mircea_popescu not leverage that delevers you. [10:59]
asciilifeform entirely medieval. but no different from, say, studying mathematics. [11:00]
mircea_popescu very different! [11:00]
asciilifeform it isn't like you can spit it out in pill form for someone to swallow, after you learn it [11:00]
mircea_popescu STUDY IS NOT WORK! [11:00]
asciilifeform (a couplea days ago somebody just about asked for this) [11:00]
asciilifeform but yes, medieval, plowing field with half an ox and bare hands, etc. [11:00]
mircea_popescu the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money" [11:00]
mircea_popescu study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP. [11:01]
asciilifeform in a sense this was study, just not of a kind anyone would wish for. i.e. i could re-make the thing if it burned down. [11:01]
asciilifeform (at somewhat astonishing expense) [11:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs" [11:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote this [11:01]
mircea_popescu NOYOUDIDNT :D [11:02]
* mircea_popescu is being contradictory today. [11:02]
asciilifeform l0lz [11:02]
mircea_popescu yeah i know you wrote it, i read it! [11:02]
asciilifeform << guessed as much. [11:02]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 13:10:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it. [11:02]
mircea_popescu which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider [11:03]
mircea_popescu perhaps to have the same conversation pre-xmas. [11:03]
asciilifeform aha lol [11:03]
mircea_popescu what am i to do. [11:03]
asciilifeform i could get a colo box here but at ruinous cost. [11:04]
mircea_popescu why would i contribute to us gdp ?! [11:05]
asciilifeform this also. [11:05]
mircea_popescu nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance. [11:05]
asciilifeform then again, wasn't mircea_popescu the sole remaining sponsor of 'bitpay' et al... ? [11:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ? [11:06]
mircea_popescu not the sole, but a significant one with very modest expense for the lolz. [11:06]
mircea_popescu i'd love one in tanzania, sure. [11:06]
asciilifeform in all seriousness, that would be spiffy [11:06]
mircea_popescu yep. [11:06]
* asciilifeform wonders whether nigeria might have one [11:07]
mircea_popescu Princely Domain Hostings LLC INC [11:07]
asciilifeform ahahahahahaha [11:07]
asciilifeform ''So here are five perfectly good reasons why Trump would make one fine Prezz. But he needs a running mate. Now, wouldn't it be a fine thing to have a woman Vice-Prezz? It's been two election cycles since a spectacularly dumb bimbo—Sarah Palin—came within a few percentage points of the Vice-Prezzidency; maybe it's time to try again. And so I propose Kim Kardashian as Trump's running mate. Not Kim Kardashian herself—she d [11:07]
asciilifeform oesn't amount to much—but, more specifically, her amazing ass. She has a stunning derrière that I am sure will make America feel proud again. Further, I propose that Trump marry her ass, and make a sort of national royal ass-family. She'd be the Vice-Prezz and the First Lady-Ass—killing two birds with one ass, if you will! Yes, it would require another tweak to the marriage laws to make it possible for a man and a woman's [11:07]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:07]
asciilifeform buttocks to join in holy matrimony. But the Supreme Court seems game for such tweaks, and, as an added benefit, when time comes for Mr. Trump to divorce (as it invariably has), the Pope would be only too happy to annul such a union.' [11:07]
mircea_popescu (if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.) [11:07]
asciilifeform ^ from the dept. of orl0lz [11:07]
asciilifeform ( ) [11:08]
assbot ClubOrlov: Trump for Prezz ... ( ) [11:08]
mircea_popescu dude how is palin a bimbo. [11:08]
mircea_popescu some word usage propriety, plox. [11:08]
asciilifeform in usa that is more or less what the word means [11:08]
mircea_popescu no it isn't. [11:09]
mircea_popescu palin was a soccer mom, if you must. [11:09]
asciilifeform before this, was a beauty contest contender, iirc [11:09]
mircea_popescu that is STILL not a bimbo. [11:09]
* asciilifeform puts on list to ask colleagues 'what is bimbo' [11:09]
mircea_popescu except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine [11:09]
mircea_popescu you ever saw married with children ? [11:10]
asciilifeform nope [11:10]
mircea_popescu christina applegate did the definitive bimbo. [11:10]
mircea_popescu a) sexually interesting ; b) sexually active ; c) very stupid. to life-threatening levels. [11:10]
asciilifeform hm. [11:11]
mircea_popescu a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers. [11:11]
mircea_popescu not some derpy mommy blogger from alaska [11:11]
asciilifeform but she was not born 'mommy blogger', no? [11:12]
asciilifeform much as a 70 y.o. whore is still a whore even in retirement [11:12]
asciilifeform even if no clients? [11:12]
mircea_popescu she can be, but it's not guaranteed. [11:13]
mircea_popescu she can also be someone's mom. [11:13]
mircea_popescu women change. that's the essence of womanhood. [11:13]
pete_dushenski <--> << lots of room for zoology eh ;/ [11:15]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:15; mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1. [11:15]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:35; mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes [11:15]
assbot Microsoft Preemptively Downloads Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( ) [11:15]
mircea_popescu lol microsoft is mandatory. [11:16]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ? [11:16]
mircea_popescu << debian sarge was it. and possibly woody. [11:16]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:56; ascii_field: debian was never it. [11:16]
pete_dushenski i watched with dad growing up [11:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno. FUCK running other people's binaries. [11:16]
asciilifeform if i wanted to eat pre-chewed food i know where to do. [11:17]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski wouldn't go as far as watched, but it was immensely popular and i am culturally aware. [11:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was available in source@ [11:17]
pete_dushenski << christina applegate bimbotronic [11:17]
asciilifeform everything is 'available' in source [11:17]
assbot Kelly Hotness Compilation (Christina Applegate) Married with Children - YouTube ... ( ) [11:17]
mircea_popescu mno. [11:17]
asciilifeform i'm talking about source being THE supported package installation mechanism. [11:17]
pete_dushenski bascially, turboslut [11:17]
mircea_popescu it... was. [11:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ah superneat. [11:18]
asciilifeform yeah but 1) not exclusively or even very preferentially and 2) weird pre-debianized packages of src [11:18]
mircea_popescu IT WAS 2005!!11 [11:18]
mircea_popescu what did you want them to do, github ?! [11:18]
asciilifeform gentoo built on ~generic~ tar.gz plus patches. [11:18]
asciilifeform sorta like us. [11:18]
mircea_popescu at the time it looked like they might go somewhere with it. [11:18]
mircea_popescu so benefit of doubt [11:18]
mircea_popescu but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens" [11:19]
asciilifeform dev ml is always this [11:19]
asciilifeform how else. [11:19]
mircea_popescu heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www [11:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok so then ?! [11:19]
asciilifeform it was a 'poor man's gentoo' yes [11:19]
asciilifeform << mega-l0l [11:20]
assbot Half of UK banknotes used to fund shadow economy | Money | The Guardian ... ( ) [11:20]
mircea_popescu no it wasn't. [11:20]
mircea_popescu omg i'm not redoing decade old holy wars ffs. [11:20]
asciilifeform << s0mebody reads the logz, rips off deedbot [11:20]
assbot Ledger ... ( ) [11:20]
asciilifeform (to no very constructive end) [11:21]
mircea_popescu and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end. [11:21]
* mircea_popescu goes off to quote [11:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the day one of these ~mentions where he got the idea~ i will probably have to fly to the office on my pig. [11:21]
mircea_popescu " I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. " [11:22]
mircea_popescu somehow this point is very hard to grok for the DKs. [11:22]
mircea_popescu finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich. [11:23]
mircea_popescu it's how you make yourself poor against god's patent will. [11:23]
asciilifeform the likely objective was 'keep the other louts from getting rich and cancelling mine' [11:23]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's how you do it. [11:24]
mircea_popescu italy found america first, never told anyone, was rich [11:24]
mircea_popescu then portugal and spain, told, were poor. [11:24]
mircea_popescu very italian logic, this, incidentally. [11:24]
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mircea_popescu << incidentally, you got those RE'd ? [11:29]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:13:08; ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work [11:29]
asciilifeform partially [11:29]
mircea_popescu contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit. [11:29]
mircea_popescu fucking byzantine insanity that field. [11:29]
asciilifeform re on something like a raid or gpu is a very frustrating experience [11:29]
mircea_popescu aha. [11:29]
asciilifeform because 95%+ of the firmware consists of 'pokes' to set magic registers. [11:29]
mircea_popescu but at least you're not asked to re ram [11:29]
asciilifeform ram is deadly simple. [11:30]
pete_dushenski "Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton [11:30]
asciilifeform look at it under microscope some time [11:30]
asciilifeform it isn't even secret in the usual sense [11:30]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski that never fucking happens. it's rank nonsense. [11:30]
asciilifeform (data sheet will often tell you far more than you would ever wish to know) [11:30]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: never happens in fiat ? [11:30]
mircea_popescu in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day. [11:31]
pete_dushenski maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm) [11:31]
mircea_popescu but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match. [11:32]
mircea_popescu (which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in) [11:32]
pete_dushenski << ref/ [11:32]
assbot I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... ( ) [11:32]
mircea_popescu and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it. [11:32]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is ~1k news ? [11:33]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: makes complete sense [11:33]
mircea_popescu dude the guardian is ever less attention worthy. [11:33]
pete_dushenski sorry, no, the 'news' doth not, the form doth [11:34]
pete_dushenski and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls [11:34]
mircea_popescu << ?! nigga, pleze. [11:35]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:14:29; ascii_field: << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'. [11:35]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..." [11:35]
pete_dushenski no information is provided, nor is not to be obtained by digging. [11:35]
pete_dushenski the guardian is basically the pampers diaper website [11:35]
pete_dushenski a vacuous noisehole devoid of meaning and value [11:35]
kakobrekla >slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there" [11:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~mathematica~. not the wiki maintained by wolfram's sex toy interns. [11:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is a proggy, that actually does most mathematical manipulations formally described in any book. [11:36]
mircea_popescu ?<< ofcourseitis! that's why i even mention it. much like the "well, if we wanna change blocks, THESE things need to be looked at". if you want "formal systems", here you start. [11:36]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then. [11:36]
pete_dushenski both of which (guardian+pamers) provide a panem et circenses effect. period. [11:36]
asciilifeform sorta like 'derive' but elephantine. [11:36]
mircea_popescu obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning [11:36]
mircea_popescu but it is concerning asto the sanity of the would be "travellers" [11:36]
shinohai <<< שָׁנָה טוֹבָה וּמְתוּקָה pete_dushenski [11:36]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 13:35:26; pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :) [11:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah okay. [11:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol you can leave it blank, i occasionalyl did, but you really shouldn't. [11:37]
pete_dushenski shinohai: cheers mate :) [11:37]
mircea_popescu because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD [11:37]
mircea_popescu (in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.) [11:38]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island [11:40]
pete_dushenski same as 'bater' chick [11:40]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski but YOU linked it ?! [11:40]
pete_dushenski << but HE STARTED IT!!1 [11:41]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:17:44; asciilifeform: << mega-l0l [11:41]
mircea_popescu oic. [11:41]
pete_dushenski of course, asciilifeform can link what he wants [11:42]
mircea_popescu << in fairness this was before his script. [11:42]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:18:08; ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not. [11:42]
pete_dushenski this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait! [11:42]
mircea_popescu or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ? [11:42]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable. [11:43]
pete_dushenski but i'm off into the meat. later gang! [11:43]
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mircea_popescu << quite. [11:44]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk. [11:44]
mircea_popescu << that's basically alf's argument. [11:44]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons) [11:44]
mircea_popescu << i lolled. [11:50]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:06; ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux. [11:50]
mircea_popescu <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ? [11:50]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!! [11:50]
mircea_popescu << like eulora needs more noob players. the thing is... very +EV to play as a noob. [11:51]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members [11:51]
mircea_popescu << this somehow seems problematic to me. [11:53]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 18:01:16; ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip. [11:53]
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mircea_popescu in the following sense : [11:53]
mircea_popescu it's true that organic complex systems take a number of tries to arrive at a result. but that sort of failure rate is not seen in nature - woman doesn't abort 10 for every one it carries to term. aborts less than half. [11:54]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, in engineering people obviously went from building bridges that sometimes stood up to building bridges that almost always stay up. [11:54]
mircea_popescu however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity. [11:55]
mircea_popescu yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails. [11:55]
mircea_popescu this is not possible in nature. [11:55]
mircea_popescu so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie. [11:55]
kakobrekla > building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant. [11:55]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [11:56]
mircea_popescu was thinking more of stuff like tay bridge [11:56]
mircea_popescu (china wasn't invented yet, but yes, cheap fast nevermind school of engineering) [11:56]
mircea_popescu CFE! [11:56]
mircea_popescu uh. i mean. CFN engineering. [11:57]
kakobrekla at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle. [11:58]
mircea_popescu <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet. [12:01]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair. [12:01]
mircea_popescu << perhaps these people also don't understand how p2p works. [12:02]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. [12:02]
mircea_popescu yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not! [12:02]
shinohai "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop." [12:05]
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funkenstein_ <-- "scholastes", apparently meant "leisure", that's the story on the street anyway my Greek not good enough [12:14]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP. [12:14]
funkenstein_ I speak physics however: play is work. Energy expended = force * distance = work. [12:15]
mircea_popescu Energy expended = force * distance = lucru mecanic. not just work - "mechanical work", aka, that fiction. [12:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38566 @ 0.00077711 = 29.97 BTC [+] {3} [12:16]
mircea_popescu << discover the shitty walpaint drops off particles, try and fix it, discover it's not so easily fixed and your walls are porous, reconstruct your room out of sheet aluminum, etc. [12:17]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 19:22:25; BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom. [12:17]
mircea_popescu a mini-cleanroom is to be made in your yard out of shipping containers. [12:18]
mircea_popescu lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1" [12:19]
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mircea_popescu anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. [12:22]
BingoBoingo anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes. [12:26]
BingoBoingo But I guess shipping container would be much cheaper [12:26]
mircea_popescu you never make a mess in a clean room [12:26]
mircea_popescu heck you can't even take a notebook in there. [12:26]
BingoBoingo Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way. [12:30]
mircea_popescu << ironically, the "jefferson"/jewish sabbatical/etc arguments re debts neatly reduce to a "the people are too stupid to be allowed to take real debt". [12:30]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbo [12:30]
mircea_popescu which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend [12:31]
mircea_popescu im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period. [12:31]
mircea_popescu and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed. [12:31]
mircea_popescu this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem. [12:32]
mircea_popescu (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.) [12:32]
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mircea_popescu << see, if naggum had the fucking sense to stick around... [12:40]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* [12:40]
mircea_popescu if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it. [12:40]
mircea_popescu << fuck yeah. [12:44]
assbot ... ( ) [12:44]
mircea_popescu he cheats with the chicken wire tho [12:44]
mircea_popescu the internet popularity of 1984 (itself a byproduct of the wachowksi brothers being insane) accounts entirely for his being a thing. [12:48]
assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika: << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. [12:48]
mircea_popescu (for the record the book isn't very good, but hey. pulp fiction._ [12:48]
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funkenstein_ On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России [12:55]
funkenstein_ aka Анастасия [12:55]
gernika He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet. [12:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00076134 = 88.087 BTC [-] {5} [13:02]
gernika I probably just liked it because of the sex. [13:04]
mircea_popescu in preference over what, henry miller ? [13:11]
gernika Girl gave me henry miller 4 years later :( [13:12]
mircea_popescu kinda how that works. like herpes. [13:12]
gernika lol [13:12]
mircea_popescu incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns. [13:13]
mircea_popescu i maintain that apple's exactly ONLY know how was "how to get roi on advertising". [13:13]
mircea_popescu that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech. [13:14]
mircea_popescu (the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing) [13:15]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - [13:25]
lobbes ^^ nifty! wd trinque [13:27]
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ascii_field analmaster ! [13:40]
analmaster ahoy [13:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2915 @ 0.00076036 = 2.2164 BTC [-] [13:41]
analmaster [13:41]
assbot JonDoNym/peinjector · GitHub ... ( ) [13:41]
analmaster oh nevermind i thought that said penis injector [13:41]
ascii_field << my cpu doesn't either [13:42]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:48:09; mircea_popescu: <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ? [13:42]
ascii_field << if only! the real trouble is that many things in engineering are not actually amenable to accurate simulation. [13:43]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie. [13:43]
ascii_field see the old chemical sim discussion for some of the reasons why [13:43]
ascii_field << see old thread where i compared chipmaking to satellite launch. they are very similar activities, in having unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. [13:45]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity. [13:45]
ascii_field plus ruinous expense. [13:45]
ascii_field << they don't forget - how could they, living in their mother's houses. but they do, afaik, see it as something like a natural disaster, rather than malfeasance [13:49]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.) [13:49]
ascii_field << naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. [13:50]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it. [13:50]
ascii_field << you can say this until you turn blue, but they ARE THE ONLY REMAINING UNIX WORKSTATION VENDOR [13:55]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech. [13:55]
ascii_field yes, some of us know how to make unix workstation out of dirt [13:56]
ascii_field like that fella who knows how to make a working kalash from a shovel [13:56]
ascii_field (see log) [13:56]
ascii_field but this is neither here nor there [13:56]
ascii_field at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple. [13:57]
ascii_field and that's it. [13:57]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski [14:01]
gribble (later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. [14:01]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski [14:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:01]
assbot Jarryd Hayne's debut as seen in Australia: a fumble, flags and breaks – as it happened | Sport | The Guardian ... ( ) [14:01]
BingoBoingo "Kaepernick goes wide. And there’s another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz." [14:04]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: what does 'go wide' mean ? [14:04]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders [14:05]
ascii_field what is the name for the opposite move ? [14:05]
BingoBoingo Go Deep [14:06]
BingoBoingo Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you) [14:06]
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BingoBoingo At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways [14:08]
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ascii_field << if 5k usd could make a working and USEFUL ic, i think we would each here have one, and would be arguing over their merits, posting from them ! [14:09]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:59:10; mircea_popescu: <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet. [14:09]
ascii_field as it is, you gotta understand that yields are nowhere near 100% and especially not in a discount factory primarily used by students graded on a curve. [14:10]
ascii_field (who do you think goes there) [14:10]
ascii_field and that is assuming a FLAWLESS design [14:10]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - [14:11]
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mircea_popescu << for the lulz [14:13]
assbot FCC Commissioner: Free Content Might Violate 'Conduct Standard’ | PJ Media ... ( ) [14:13]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: [14:14]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 12:58:47; asciilifeform: obligatory: << where we are headed. [14:14]
ascii_field gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal' [14:15]
ascii_field whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others' [14:15]
BingoBoingo The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior [14:15]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: easy to get [14:16]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: download the rom (see logs) and run the emulator. [14:16]
* BingoBoingo wonders if TI-92 ROM can be made to boot on old Macintosh [14:16]
ascii_field runs fine on a 486 [14:16]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: it will not boot a mac. not only entirely different peripherals, but slightly differing cpu [14:16]
ascii_field but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen. [14:16]
ascii_field even for some phones [14:17]
* BingoBoingo actually wondering if a "coldfire" board can be used to make such a machine [14:17]
ascii_field again, not entirely same cpu [14:17]
ascii_field closest thing is probably 'amiga' [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00076036 = 28.2094 BTC [-] [14:17]
BingoBoingo I've got a lot of wondering to do [14:17]
BingoBoingo But not interested in computer that runs calculator software so much as calculator that scales up to computer. [14:18]
mircea_popescu << great article btw. [14:19]
assbot Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( ) [14:19]
mircea_popescu in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing [14:19]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha [14:19]
ascii_field i linked it for a reason. [14:19]
mircea_popescu unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing. [14:21]
mircea_popescu all that says is "bad engineering". no exceptions. [14:21]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? [14:21]
ascii_field collect the remaining riches of the world. [14:21]
mircea_popescu naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms". [14:21]
mircea_popescu the structure is what matters. [14:21]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? << ANd biology isn't relevant to Bitcoin? [14:21]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: biology is terrible example here [14:22]
ascii_field where of 10,000 seeds, one grows, etc. [14:22]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't need to lay an egg to tell you this one's rotten. [14:22]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Nah, you gotta understand when Intel goes bust USG will have monsanto to fab chips [14:22]
mircea_popescu also, no plant known has a 1 in 10k germination rate. [14:22]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac [14:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21324 @ 0.00076905 = 16.3992 BTC [+] {3} [14:23]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either. [14:24]
ascii_field (imagine if it were!) [14:24]
mircea_popescu [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets. [14:24]
BingoBoingo << I'm hoping the lesser Paul gets to break out for this one [14:25]
assbot BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 17 hours 23 minutes ago ... ( ) [14:25]
BingoBoingo But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half [14:26]
mircea_popescu FCC Commissioner Ajit Varadaraj Pai [14:27]
mircea_popescu srsly, the us is indian now ? [14:28]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha [14:28]
BingoBoingo The Brahmins incresingly are [14:28]
mircea_popescu they do make great bureaucrats. [14:28]
mircea_popescu of a failed state. [14:28]
BingoBoingo Few homeless or poor indians in 'Murica [14:28]
BingoBoingo Median income of $106,000 roughly [14:29]
ascii_field the poor ones are physics ph.d. [14:29]
mircea_popescu "And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC?” << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking. [14:29]
gernika A mobile phone company I worked at recently was fully indianized. [14:29]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking [14:29]
mircea_popescu funny how every two bit scammer/fraudster/rent seeker is quick to misrepresent himself as "innovative" "competitor" "entrepreneur" and whatnot. [14:30]
gernika And fully not profitable. [14:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: from edison's time, even. [14:30]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it. [14:30]
ascii_field he set the mega-example for others to follow. [14:30]
mircea_popescu Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks can’t handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase “the risk of theft, fraud and errors.” [14:35]
mircea_popescu win. [14:35]
mircea_popescu according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years! [14:36]
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assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode [14:37]
mircea_popescu word. [14:37]
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mircea_popescu <<< ahahaah what in the ever loving fuck! so the us has been derping for four years, on printed money. this guy finally got his accounts (HIS!!) back in july and now he can't have an extensionb because... THE CASE IS TOO COMPLEX ?! [14:39]
assbot Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay | Qntra ... ( ) [14:39]
mircea_popescu just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist. [14:40]
BingoBoingo Seriously [14:40]
mircea_popescu it's the people burning shit down that are the true law abiding folk. [14:40]
gernika Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions? [14:40]
mircea_popescu this is NZ [14:41]
mircea_popescu anyway. grounds for mistrial. [14:42]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's a straight usg colony [14:47]
ascii_field what 'mistrial' [14:47]
ascii_field it'll be grounds for expedited shipment to gitmo [14:48]
ascii_field if hitler wills it. [14:48]
mircea_popescu i dun think anyone asked that guy anything. [14:48]
ascii_field << this will work great once mortgages are somehow iphonized (everybody rents, straight from usg dept. of housing, or somesuch) [14:50]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period. [14:50]
mircea_popescu kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that. [14:51]
ascii_field gotta collect the schmuck salaries back [14:51]
ascii_field or turkey shortages. [14:51]
ascii_field debt (of the idiot credit card kind! not even houses/cars/tuition) is ~the~ collector [14:52]
mircea_popescu "Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh [14:53]
mircea_popescu e was discharged home on hospital day 3 with a sodium level of 133 mmol/L and baseline mental status." [14:53]
mircea_popescu that poor woman. [14:53]
mircea_popescu "we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now" [14:53]
BingoBoingo And all for a laxative [14:54]
BingoBoingo ANd poor instructions [14:54]
mircea_popescu and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy. [14:54]
mircea_popescu i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. [14:54]
mircea_popescu why exactly ? fuck all that shit. [14:55]
ascii_field << mega-l0l [14:55]
assbot Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( ) [14:55]
ascii_field 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.' [14:55]
mircea_popescu hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001. [14:56]
mircea_popescu i don't recall seeing that before. [14:56]
ascii_field 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”' [14:56]
BingoBoingo i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye. [14:56]
shinohai [14:56]
assbot FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( ) [14:56]
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kakobrekla >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet? [14:59]
mircea_popescu body seems positive enough [15:00]
kakobrekla :) [15:01]
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mircea_popescu lol [15:02]
mircea_popescu "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. “It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale,” he said." [15:02]
mircea_popescu the fucking cheeky bastard. [15:02]
mircea_popescu listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions [15:02]
mircea_popescu nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on. [15:03]
mircea_popescu you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking. [15:03]
ascii_field what army, exactly, will put him on his knees ? [15:03]
mircea_popescu (you're ugly, she wasn't.) [15:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ? [15:04]
ascii_field l0l! [15:04]
shinohai <<< ascii_field loading storage for phuctor [15:05]
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mircea_popescu "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well [15:05]
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mircea_popescu (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.) [15:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over. [15:06]
ascii_field they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc) [15:07]
ascii_field a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks. [15:08]
mircea_popescu "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ? [15:08]
gernika stackoverflow [15:08]
ascii_field iirc the story changed more than once. [15:09]
mircea_popescu was preeeeetty ridoinculous. [15:09]
ascii_field aha [15:09]
ascii_field my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~. [15:10]
mircea_popescu and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate. [15:10]
mircea_popescu it is so burdened. [15:10]
shinohai <<< invite sent. She even has a key already. [15:10]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over. [15:10]
ascii_field by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ? [15:10]
mircea_popescu by me. [15:10]
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punkman guy posted silkroad ads on bitcointalk and his personal email [15:18]
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mircea_popescu iirc that was discovered months after. [15:20]
mircea_popescu but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy [15:20]
mircea_popescu the interesting question was, how. [15:20]
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ascii_field ^ [15:20]
ascii_field usg moves dates as it pleases, yes. [15:20]
punkman well he made way too many mistakes too count [15:21]
mircea_popescu punkman this is besides the point. [15:21]
mircea_popescu which exact mistakes, and how, was the question. [15:21]
punkman we'll never know that of course [15:21]
mircea_popescu then we can't have rule of law, can we. [15:21]
mircea_popescu these two points are inseparable. [15:21]
ascii_field as if it were ever not a scam [15:22]
ascii_field since, hell, hammurabi [15:22]
mircea_popescu there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam. [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00040884 = 14.3707 BTC [+] [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00076006 = 20.3407 BTC [-] {2} [15:26]
thestringpuller ascii_field: nah that was was this guy << [15:29]
thestringpuller << more mega lulz [15:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19086 @ 0.00076579 = 14.6159 BTC [+] {3} [15:51]
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punkman "Life is short, sell your 0days" << good slogan for exploit-ebay [15:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00075915 = 12.4501 BTC [-] [15:52]
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ascii_field punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log. [15:52]
ascii_field << in particular. [15:54]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deep [15:54]
* williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain [15:57]
ascii_field williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits [15:57]
ascii_field (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...) [15:58]
williamdunne ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: […] [15:58]
assbot Scaling Bitcoin — Medium ... ( ) [15:58]
williamdunne But yah [15:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00075885 = 11.3828 BTC [-] [15:59]
mod6 ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: [16:01]
assbot Untitled graph ... ( ) [16:01]
ascii_field mod6: any way to make this vertical ? [16:01]
ascii_field it also needs strict level separation [16:01]
ascii_field that is, [16:01]
ascii_field genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it; [16:02]
ascii_field the next level of descent, one notch above it; [16:02]
ascii_field and so on, until the modern day. [16:02]
mod6 ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe? [16:02]
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ascii_field like genealogical tree. [16:02]
ascii_field but this picture is a very good start. [16:03]
ascii_field nice work mod6 [16:03]
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mod6 ty [16:03]
mats is it a scam if you sell a commodity for 1/10 of what its worth, knowing you could not move it for market value anyway? [16:03]
ascii_field mats: it is a double-headed scam [16:03]
ascii_field mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale [16:03]
ascii_field or even a certain time before [16:04]
mod6 as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is. [16:04]
ascii_field to third parties. [16:04]
mats sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this [16:04]
ascii_field mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it. [16:04]
ascii_field because FUCK blue bloods. [16:04]
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ascii_field and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy. [16:05]
mats more like 20k instead of 10mn. [16:05]
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ascii_field fuck'em. [16:05]
ascii_field and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now. [16:05]
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mats 20k in buttcoins, mate [16:06]
ascii_field where? [16:06]
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mats someone who isn't me. [16:06]
ascii_field mats: and who brokers the deal? god? [16:06]
mats a fella you own, of course [16:06]
ascii_field what is my assurance that i see the coin [16:06]
ascii_field and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods [16:07]
mircea_popescu deedbot- [16:07]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [16:07]
assbot dpaste: 1KH2JJC ... ( ) [16:07]
mats none at all. isn't it exciting? [16:07]
mircea_popescu deedbot- [16:07]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [16:07]
assbot ... ( ) [16:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ [16:07]
ascii_field mats: go, be excited. [16:07]
ascii_field i'll pass. [16:07]
mats when i'm in a different jurisdiction, yes, will be exciting [16:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00075899 = 9.0047 BTC [+] [16:08]
gernika mircea_popescu just recieved exact same email [16:08]
gernika I'm all in [16:08]
mircea_popescu and did it call you "gernika" ? [16:08]
ascii_field mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ? [16:08]
ascii_field cashing [16:09]
ascii_field 0days. [16:09]
mats i don't have any 0days. [16:09]
gernika Nope. [16:09]
BingoBoingo ;;google Coindesk [16:10]
gribble Introducing the qntra on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the ... - Trilema: ; Blogging is a muscle and other observations on Trilema - A blog by (1 more message) [16:10]
mats i know a broker with buyers, however... [16:10]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ << [16:11]
assbot The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ? [16:11]
deedbot- [Trilema] Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! - [16:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ? [16:11]
mircea_popescu why does it have to be public ? [16:11]
mircea_popescu wot doesn't require this. [16:11]
ascii_field wot requires public, yes [16:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam [16:12]
ascii_field selling 0days requires privacy [16:12]
mircea_popescu in your understanding, maybe. [16:12]
ascii_field at least if you don't have an army. [16:12]
ascii_field otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price [16:12]
ascii_field and who will buy then [16:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000777 = 15.54 BTC [+] {3} [16:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them [16:13]
mircea_popescu and never is otherwise. [16:13]
shinohai "Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes .... [16:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up [16:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ? [16:14]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ..? [16:14]
mircea_popescu makes sense BingoBoingo [16:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field what part of wot requires any deal be public! [16:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news. [16:15]
mircea_popescu this is true. [16:15]
ascii_field let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly' [16:16]
mircea_popescu so ? [16:16]
ascii_field so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ? [16:17]
mircea_popescu for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him". [16:17]
ascii_field so now we have 'you gotta associate your existing identity with selling 0days' [16:17]
mircea_popescu because i said so ? [16:17]
ascii_field ------> gasenwagen. [16:17]
mircea_popescu we have no such thing. [16:17]
mircea_popescu see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures. [16:17]
ascii_field humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today. [16:17]
ascii_field i create a new key for this purpose [16:17]
mircea_popescu and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie. [16:17]
ascii_field why would anyone trade with me ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu a key for the purpose of a one off deal ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu that is ipso definitio a scam. [16:18]
ascii_field for the purpose of the entire thing [16:18]
ascii_field say i have precisely 1 saleable 0day. [16:18]
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mircea_popescu suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot. [16:18]
mircea_popescu ima rate it. because i fucking feel like it. [16:18]
ascii_field ok, this works once. [16:18]
mircea_popescu so there you go, it's started. [16:18]
ascii_field maybe twice. [16:18]
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mircea_popescu yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work. [16:18]
ascii_field will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ? [16:18]
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ascii_field i won't. [16:18]
mircea_popescu wait. 10k what ? [16:19]
ascii_field 10,000 bozos take the coin & run [16:19]
mircea_popescu ... [16:19]
ascii_field or renege in some other way. [16:19]
mircea_popescu you're the seller or the buyer here ? [16:19]
ascii_field in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching. [16:19]
mircea_popescu wouldja stop. [16:19]
mircea_popescu are we discussing the buyer or the seller side here. [16:19]
ascii_field in this case, seller. he gets shafted. [16:20]
mircea_popescu stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it. [16:20]
ascii_field which one ? [16:20]
mircea_popescu seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal. [16:21]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use... [16:21]
mircea_popescu i just have. [16:21]
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mircea_popescu and if seller doesn't want to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends to rate it. [16:21]
ascii_field say i have ~exactly one~. [16:21]
mircea_popescu which friends will do. [16:21]
mats this is how i imagine it would work [16:21]
mircea_popescu or at any rate, i will do. [16:21]
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mircea_popescu but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time. [16:23]
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mircea_popescu and he should just play the good researcher and publish it. [16:24]
ascii_field give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha. [16:24]
mircea_popescu yep [16:24]
ascii_field why bother digging it out of the ground to begin with ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it. [16:25]
mircea_popescu mno. words have meanings. " no reason to suspect he will ever have more". [16:25]
mircea_popescu this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect. [16:25]
ascii_field i'm not speaking theoretically, either [16:26]
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mircea_popescu either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller. [16:26]
ascii_field it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat. [16:26]
ascii_field mats will understand what i speak of here. [16:26]
mircea_popescu or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make. [16:26]
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mircea_popescu which is why "inheritors" are fundamentally poor. [16:26]
mircea_popescu then the afid needs an ant. [16:27]
ascii_field i think it is necessary to put on magic glasses, which i don't have, to see 'poor inheritors' [16:27]
mircea_popescu as he's only half a person [16:27]
ascii_field because afaik most of the serious money is in the hands of inheritors even now. [16:27]
mircea_popescu ascii_field watch butterfield 8. [16:27]
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mircea_popescu not only a gorgeous 20something liz taylor, but also [16:28]
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ascii_field also saud et al will beg to differ that 'you cannot sell what you do not make' [16:29]
mircea_popescu apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us." [16:29]
mircea_popescu ascii_field they can beg all they want, it's adequate to them. [16:29]
mircea_popescu what you can not make you can only give away. never sell. [16:30]
ascii_field so what, saudi golden toilet is leaden somehow ? [16:30]
ascii_field how does this work ? [16:30]
mircea_popescu it's a metaphysical point! [16:30]
ascii_field hence my note re: magic glasses. [16:31]
ascii_field because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors [16:31]
mircea_popescu ie, they find 0 days ? [16:31]
ascii_field the geological equivalent [16:31]
mircea_popescu makes sense. [16:31]
mircea_popescu anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns. [16:34]
mircea_popescu for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services". [16:34]
ascii_field saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know this through degree-1 meatwot. [16:34]
mircea_popescu you're to tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as to learn how it works. [16:34]
ascii_field not through legend. [16:34]
mircea_popescu earning money at it come,s later. [16:34]
mircea_popescu ascii_field are you in a position to negrate this "degree-1" "meatwot" ? [16:35]
ascii_field meatwot is not a proper wot [16:35]
mircea_popescu so then don't mix improperly. [16:35]
mircea_popescu for that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine. [16:35]
ascii_field e.g., ever day ? [16:35]
mircea_popescu and coke was "degree-1" involved, iirc buffett still owns lots of it. [16:35]
mircea_popescu shit, you actually do that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU [16:36]
mircea_popescu :D [16:36]
ascii_field not these days. [16:36]
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mircea_popescu just saying, expenditure's not the measure of the world. but anyway. [16:36]
ascii_field but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni. [16:36]
ascii_field was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money. [16:37]
ascii_field and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced. [16:37]
ascii_field re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' [16:39]
thestringpuller re: meatwot, don't think one exist since memory if fallible [16:40]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations. [16:41]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot. [16:42]
ascii_field (as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread) [16:42]
thestringpuller i still don't think a meatwot can exist [16:43]
thestringpuller otherwise drug dealers wouldn't actively snitch on each other [16:43]
ascii_field thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles [16:43]
mats what exactly precludes a meatwot from existence? [16:43]
mats i'm not following [16:44]
thestringpuller mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts [16:44]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider [16:45]
ascii_field thestringpuller: how? [16:45]
mats canonical meatwot should involve gpg. [16:45]
mats otherwise it'd be meatfacebook [16:45]
ascii_field mats: how often do your friends get physically replaced with impostors ? [16:45]
ascii_field without you noticing. [16:46]
mats hasn't happened yet [16:46]
thestringpuller ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded [16:46]
thestringpuller and cryptographically provable [16:46]
ascii_field thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot. [16:46]
thestringpuller sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes" [16:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00077718 = 34.2348 BTC [+] {3} [16:47]
thestringpuller then you know that event likley occurred [16:47]
thestringpuller but it seems far more flimsy than a crypto record [16:47]
thestringpuller ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable [16:48]
thestringpuller !up anton_osika [16:53]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node. [16:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:53]
anton_osika thx thestringpuller. [16:54]
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anton_osika mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote [16:54]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:54]
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anton_osika I have proof of being the long party as specified [16:55]
anton_osika [16:55]
assbot Letter to Mircea Popescu - ... ( ) [16:55]
ascii_field 'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem. [16:57]
anton_osika asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying. [16:57]
ascii_field anyway it is not ~my~ problem. [16:58]
anton_osika Such a thing is not a problem in any serious contract that I would write in a business situation. [16:58]
ascii_field but i know enough to say that it will be a problem here. [16:58]
anton_osika Either you actively distrust and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible. [16:58]
mod6 well, can't get the directional thing correct unless I use graphviz :/ [16:59]
assbot ... ( ) [16:59]
ascii_field nobody gets trusted for showing up. [16:59]
ascii_field mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www. [16:59]
ascii_field see if you can make the patch names clickable links [16:59]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however. [16:59]
shinohai asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week. [16:59]
anton_osika By the people who understand the situation. [16:59]
ascii_field shinohai: didn't somebody walk out with your key ? [16:59]
ben_vulpes rather nice, mod6 [17:00]
mod6 <+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx. [17:00]
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shinohai ascii_field: no one walked out with it, just wasn't self-signed? Was using old email. [17:00]
ascii_field aha [17:00]
punkman shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen? [17:01]
shinohai << [17:01]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 19:57:21; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however. [17:01]
ascii_field anton_osika: ever read the story (or watch the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ? [17:02]
BingoBoingo anton_osika: That doesn't seem to solve the problem of inability to sign a delivery address with that public key, even if Kraken attests to it. [17:02]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for trading. Made me laugh outloud here in the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going to become the new play exchanges? [17:02]
anton_osika BingoBoingo: One moment: [17:03]
thestringpuller We saw how well the move to CSS benefited GLBSE [17:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00076416 = 19.1804 BTC [-] [17:04]
shinohai punkman: trust me, being here opened my eyes to how inept I was with gpg [17:04]
BingoBoingo anton_osika: And further to the point, I don't think Kraken is in any position to attest to anything seeing how it is the USG appointed tool for distributing MtGox's carcass [17:04]
BingoBoingo At least anton_osika In the even you manage to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position to take deliver in your place by signing from the outgoing BTC address. [17:07]
thestringpuller wind 10 [17:08]
mats if you image the device, i'd be happy to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful [17:10]
anton_osika BingoBoingo: Depends on what the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and take the one and only claimed deposit address (by the freenode authed antonosika as well as the holder of the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree to my interpretation of what the cause of a future delivery [17:12]
anton_osika contract is. [17:12]
anton_osika interpreted for* [17:12]
anton_osika and this is a piss in the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu . [17:12]
ascii_field anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier, that he would lose credibility among the people who matter if he ~did~ pay. [17:13]
shinohai And how exactly is your credibility worth more than mircea_popescu 's? [17:13]
anton_osika mircea_popescu wrote the contract for the cause of delivery, right? [17:14]
anton_osika I am the long party and have independent verification of this by others with recognised trust. [17:15]
anton_osika ascii_field: I do not need any trust at all to damage MP:s trust. [17:15]
mircea_popescu omg the highlights [17:15]
anton_osika <3 [17:15]
mats that's not how the wot works [17:16]
mircea_popescu who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage. [17:16]
mircea_popescu otherwise it'd be meatfacebook << lol. it's either pgp or meat, baby. [17:17]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts. [17:18]
mircea_popescu ahahah wut ?! [17:18]
anton_osika There is a Kraken PGP key here that a lot of people that hold their trust (even in forms of assets) dearly to it . Those people would forever lose some of the trust for you. [17:19]
mircea_popescu o wow check it out, he actually managed the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 ! [17:19]
anton_osika ^the magic of digital trust. [17:19]
mircea_popescu By the people who understand the situation. << by the who ? [17:20]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like the graph in my head when i wrote 'v' [17:20]
mircea_popescu dun tell me there's some dudes right over the horizon ganging together to beat me up ? [17:20]
mod6 mircea_popescu: thanks :] [17:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yeah. it's wunderbar. [17:20]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: I am sorry. [17:20]
mircea_popescu mod6 didja do some hand-helping in there ? [17:20]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: I tried to prevent a situation like this... [17:20]
shinohai But the contract wasn't between kraken was it? [17:20]
mircea_popescu because the thing shows some very promising AI in arranging the boxes. [17:20]
mircea_popescu lol wait you tried to what ?! [17:20]
anton_osika hehe [17:21]
mircea_popescu dude he could be a us secretary or something this guy. incredible how the same verbiage flows from the same circumstances. [17:21]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: iirc it is based on 'energy minimization' << as in [17:21]
assbot Logged on 02-08-2015 16:00:48; asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract [17:21]
mircea_popescu almost against one's will, as it were. [17:21]
mod6 only one part that could be automated i think; just dumped out the graphviz config to file, and then tweeked the `rankdir' to 'BT' for (bottom=>top) by hand. then just gotta run dot to generate the image. [17:22]
anton_osika Seriously mircea_popescu. You wrote the contract - it has a cause and you have got the invoice paid. [17:22]
mircea_popescu see ascii_field ye olde "bitcoin perverts nsa" thing ? cuts both ways. finding oneself in the sort of situation the usg finds itself ALSO perverts. [17:22]
mircea_popescu anton_osika what's "egoistic interpretations of contracts." ? [17:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha! recall how you once observed that it is astonishing that i, in particular, manage to think about anything at all ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 does it actually attempt to minimize line length ? ascii_field you realise this is a complete problem yes ? [17:23]
mod6 so this can be automated, but some cleanup required. im just read that you can make clickable links -- gonna give it a shot. [17:23]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: it might. im not exactly sure how graphviz does its magic. [17:23]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: np-complete does not mean unsolvable ! just means that not solvable efficiently if the data set is at all large [17:23]
mircea_popescu ah i thought it was something you brewed. somehow i thought graphviz won't do it. [17:24]
ascii_field or rather, not that, either. but in bean counter terms [17:24]
mircea_popescu aha. [17:24]
ascii_field but in point of fact, this is a very favourable data set for plotting [17:24]
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mircea_popescu we are contemplating rather large datasets. but yes, so far. [17:24]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:24]
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ascii_field only forward flow, for example [17:24]
mircea_popescu ah yes that helps [17:24]
mod6 yeah, i re-wrote v in perl, and it does all the traversing etc, then i build the graph with recursion and the Graph::Easy mod. [17:25]
mircea_popescu "time only flows one way because god got fucking sick of debugging bidirectional graphs" [17:25]
ascii_field graph::easy has the killer feature of ascii output! [17:25]
ascii_field the only such lib i was able to find [17:25]
ascii_field almost considered rewriting in perl myself, just to use it [17:25]
mircea_popescu o.O [17:25]
mod6 that's why i initially liked it too! but alas, if you can't grow TB or BT, then it gets hairy at 80 cols. [17:25]
mod6 there might be a way to do this still, just might be a bit deeper than i'ev looked so far. [17:26]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: as in [17:26]
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shinohai Please send 0.05 BTC to 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 if you want voice from me anton_osika [17:26]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:27]
mircea_popescu !up anton_osika [17:27]
-assbot- You voiced anton_osika for 30 minutes. [17:27]
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anton_osika Thank you. [17:27]
mircea_popescu srsly, try to be interesting anton_osika ppl are getting sick of it. [17:27]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this? [17:27]
mircea_popescu i dun have an address to pay to. [17:27]
mircea_popescu (for all you know, i already paid, for that matter.) [17:28]
anton_osika [17:28]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Payment of future delivery c - ... ( ) [17:28]
anton_osika Thank you for taking it into account. [17:28]
anton_osika You are in the position of having a very big impact on my view on how to act in this world. [17:28]
mircea_popescu why do you think this is exceptional in your case ? [17:29]
mats party A's rating of B has no value if both A and B are not in my L1 [17:29]
anton_osika it is not exceptional. it is about interpreting contracts constructively or egoistically. [17:29]
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shinohai <<< Assets [17:30]
assbot ... ( ) [17:30]
anton_osika I kind of take it that you are quite constructive seeing what you create... [17:30]
mircea_popescu shinohai how the hell did she get that butt with the antiwalker device! [17:31]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: it takes tremendous athleticism to actually ride that thing [17:31]
shinohai Lots of beans and corn tortillas is my guess. [17:31]
mircea_popescu of the butt huh. [17:31]
ascii_field << see also. [17:31]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this. [17:31]
* mircea_popescu is starting to think about this seriously. get the girls unicicle rides [17:31]
ascii_field top-heavy folks don't do well on unicycle [17:32]
ascii_field the roller board thing is easier. [17:32]
ascii_field << l0l [17:32]
assbot These Leaked Ashley Madison Passwords Are a Depressing Kind of Way | E! Online France ... ( ) [17:33]
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mats [17:34]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: Is there anything that would make you pay the invoice? [17:34]
assbot musicForProgramming(); ... ( ) [17:34]
mircea_popescu a properly signed request would go a long way. [17:35]
shinohai Well anton_osika threats didn't work ... [17:35]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this? [17:35]
mircea_popescu how do you know i've not paid it ? [17:36]
anton_osika <3 [17:36]
anton_osika I would be honoured by a letter stating so. [17:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00076166 = 13.4814 BTC [-] [17:37]
mircea_popescu mkay. a second. [17:38]
anton_osika If you have time to add it, also stating when you might be visiting Sweden teaching a physics student things about life he would not learn otherwise. [17:39]
mircea_popescu anton_osika [17:40]
assbot dpaste: 1X3NP04 ... ( ) [17:40]
anton_osika aka. what one learns talking to these people here.. [17:40]
kakobrekla lol. [17:41]
anton_osika ;;ident mircea_popescu [17:41]
gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified. [17:41]
funkenstein_ Will the real anton_osika please stand up, please stand up, please stand up. [17:42]
shinohai mircea_popescu: you were right about the isis theory: [17:42]
assbot German police arrest alleged IS recruiter wanted by Spain | News | DW.COM | 05.08.2015 ... ( ) [17:42]
anton_osika yo [17:42]
mircea_popescu shinohai aha. [17:43]
thestringpuller funkenstein_: that song was about slim shady not being a real person btw. [17:43]
funkenstein_ yeah well I never saw his public key :P [17:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21672 @ 0.00076143 = 16.5017 BTC [-] {2} [17:45]
anton_osika ;;help [17:45]
gribble The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: [17:45]
shinohai ;;later tell davout btcjam kinda touchy aren't they? [17:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:45]
mircea_popescu "Website Screenshots provider, Snapito, was acquired by ShrinkTheWeb" [17:45]
mircea_popescu dat gdp. [17:46]
anton_osika !facts [17:46]
mircea_popescu im sure this is a "transaction" and tax is assessed and some bean counter counts beans under "us industry" [17:46]
thestringpuller funkenstein_: [17:46]
mircea_popescu wow did disney actually make a "two lesbians" movie with the gypsy chick and a snow-white knockoff in which the male lead is this evil dude with "burn for your witchcraft" ? [17:48]
funkenstein_ "fuck it, let's all stand up" thanks thestringpuller, I never had grokked it fully [17:48]
thestringpuller "turn off your electronics on the plane" [17:48]
thestringpuller lol [17:48]
thestringpuller everyone has their phone out [17:49]
funkenstein_ wait, lesbians? I'm gonna go watch a Disney movie now for the first time in like forever. [17:49]
thestringpuller funkenstein_: yea, as mircea_popescu once said. "A lot to be learned on the street" [17:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00075835 = 10.0102 BTC [-] {2} [17:53]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [17:58]
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mats [17:58]
assbot West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside' | World news | The Guardian ... ( ) [17:58]
ascii_field mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis. [17:59]
ascii_field OPENLY espoused by brzezinski. [17:59]
mats I dunno that the west can control this chaos [18:00]
mats overplayed this one [18:01]
ascii_field mats: i will agree when there are isis patrols in washington. [18:01]
ascii_field and as i stand in the impalement queue, yes, i might agree [18:01]
ascii_field but the degree of control usg actually wants or needs is minimal. [18:01]
ascii_field does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ? [18:02]
mats yes, in the sense that arsonist doesn't set fire to all routes of own escape [18:05]
ascii_field again, i'm not seeing any beheadings out my window. [18:06]
mats isis doesn't need to destroy usg to survive [18:09]
ascii_field then in what sense is it a failure of controlled chaos doctrine ? [18:10]
mats their wealth, influence, and manpower is transnational, transcontinental, requires no fuel from usg to exist [18:10]
ascii_field 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru [18:10]
ascii_field and it works. [18:10]
shinohai hue [18:11]
assbot ... ( ) [18:11]
mats how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no? [18:11]
ascii_field no. [18:11]
ascii_field how the fuck did you get the idea that it was ?! [18:11]
BingoBoingo Not on all of its southern borders [18:11]
BingoBoingo Also Cossacks [18:12]
phf russia is all white men wearing fur hats [18:12]
mats I frankly don't see how muslims are a problem for moscow. [18:12]
ascii_field mats: << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300. [18:13]
assbot ... ( ) [18:13]
mats ru has no problem dispensing as much lead into muslims as can be extracted from siberia [18:13]
ascii_field that's the 'homogeneous' part. [18:13]
ascii_field mats: tell this to the corpses of ru folks who used to live in chechnia [18:14]
ascii_field or the people killed in bombings in moscow [18:14]
ascii_field plainly, there ~were~ problems dispensing the lead. [18:14]
ascii_field the reason for this is that ru could not take the standard euro approach of extermination, because it is not how it works. it absorbs. [18:15]
trinque seems quite clear that the encirclement strategy never ended [18:16]
trinque instead of NATO to the south, fires [18:16]
ascii_field why would it end. [18:17]
ascii_field ru natural resources are the west's sole chance of prolonging the party. [18:17]
ascii_field well, it and cold fusion. [18:17]
mats yet ru still properly stands, and chechnya bends the knee [18:17]
ascii_field mats: the degree to which it bends has been exaggerated for pr [18:17]
ascii_field these folks don't bend. [18:18]
ascii_field they sometimes die, yes. but regenerate much faster than euro people. [18:18]
punkman "JYA and Cryptome Keys Compromised" [18:19]
assbot TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( ) [18:19]
ascii_field dafuq [18:19]
ascii_field IT IS NOT SIGNED WITH EITHER KEY [18:19]
ascii_field it is signed with one of the new keys promulgated [18:20]
trinque << on the homepage too [18:20]
assbot Cryptome ... ( ) [18:20]
ascii_field where is the evidence that the author of this message ever possessed the keys claimed as compromised ? [18:20]
ascii_field the signature belongs to 0x4918FA4ED87D436C. [18:21]
ascii_field PGP Desktop 9.6.3 for Windows. << WIN [18:21]
* ascii_field head-desks [18:21]
ascii_field can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ? [18:22]
trinque gotta wait till $tardInt wraps [18:23]
ascii_field srsly, is it an impossibility to have a 'cryptome'-like site run by thinking folks ? [18:23]
ascii_field iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point [18:24]
ascii_field i had the thought once that gossipd would make this item quite trivial to implement [18:25]
mats why not qntra? [18:25]
BingoBoingo Perhaps some sort of spinoff related to qntra [18:25]
ascii_field mats: because phuctor. [18:26]
ascii_field look what happens to a box that is even mildly interesting. [18:26]
ascii_field now imagine if it were hosting leaked launch codes. [18:26]
ascii_field (tm) [18:26]
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phf !up ascii_field [18:30]
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mats the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous [18:31]
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punkman "Some states are having to go on eBay to buy spare parts for machines that are no longer manufactured. " [18:34]
assbot Hanging chad redux? US heading for 2000-style election catastrophe, report finds | US news | The Guardian ... ( ) [18:34]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked - [18:35]
BingoBoingo !up analmaster [18:36]
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ascii_field punkman: they run win-ce - all of them. [18:36]
ascii_field this is no longer even controversial. [18:36]
ascii_field people somehow got used to it. [18:36]
ascii_field many (most?) have wireless cards also. [18:36]
shinohai [18:36]
punkman relevant to ebay threads [18:37]
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ascii_field << cryptome is not merely a place to drop arbitrary turds. there is curator. [18:40]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:28:51; mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous [18:40]
ascii_field the curator is what distinguishes an interesting leak site from a public toilet. [18:40]
punkman I guess opening all those pdfs on windows machine paid off [18:40]
ascii_field curator not only selects interesting material but rejects obvious forgeries, etc [18:41]
mats qntra doesn't have to host the files, merely clearsig with hash [18:41]
ascii_field mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation. [18:41]
ascii_field except as a kind of amorphous mass [18:41]
mats mebbe can be accompanied with yandex search query of hash. and 1000 toilets with file. [18:42]
asciilifeform !up anton_osika [18:42]
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ascii_field mats: this only works when a turd is famous [18:43]
ascii_field and is immediately mirrored [18:43]
ascii_field sometimes, not then, either (how many people are publicly hosting the hackteam dump ?) [18:43]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: Thanks for the letter but I can obviously not open it. Would you mind encrypting it to me? [18:43]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x2cb59ffa3ab7a3ee " ... ( ) [18:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075996 = 31.3863 BTC [+] {3} [18:45]
BingoBoingo !down anton_osika [18:45]
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punkman anton_osika: you are better off focusing on fixing the broken backup [18:45]
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punkman ;;ticker [18:48]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.26, Best ask: 230.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 230.42, 24 hour volume: 7414.96871817, 24 hour low: 229.5, 24 hour high: 232.93, 24 hour vwap: None [18:48]
BingoBoingo Oh, and Tesla is in trouble [18:48]
assbot Porsche Unveils Its First Electric Car - Slashdot ... ( ) [18:48]
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anton_osika mircea_popescu: Hola. I have never had the E4BC29F7 key. What is up with that letter. [18:54]
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phf [19:01]
assbot Search results for '0x86ac5789f93ed2e7' ... ( ) [19:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00075743 = 13.7852 BTC [-] {2} [19:01]
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phf ben_vulpes: have you seen ? [19:02]
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ben_vulpes just sharing some lulz, phf [19:03]
phf oh pff, i might've done some ... questionable things in the past [19:03]
ben_vulpes > we had a ruby script that would use the rb-appscript gem to interface with Apple Terminal and run all of the dependencies in different terminal tabs. [19:04]
ben_vulpes why fork when you can automate the UI? [19:04]
phf right right, i missed that part (1am here should probably be sleeping) [19:05]
mircea_popescu anton_osika obviously it'd be encrypted to 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. i thought that was you. [19:08]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [19:09]
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mircea_popescu << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively. [19:10]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 20:57:17; ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis. [19:10]
mircea_popescu << you are not proposing "an arsonist". there isn't another place for the us to go. you are proposing the arson school of home improvement. this, i've yet to observe in practice. outside of pashtuns taken into city dwellings forcibly, or, as the case may be, ustards forced into civilisation against their will. [19:12]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 20:59:46; ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu think that hitler didn't manage to give democracy such a pair of black eyes as the us populace did. [19:12]
mircea_popescu << bwhahahaha and ants are a ploy to inflate cement futures ? [19:13]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:37; ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru [19:13]
mircea_popescu cmon. [19:13]
mircea_popescu for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy. [19:14]
mircea_popescu ie ukraine-poland. [19:14]
mircea_popescu leaving aside the truly junior partner in any serious discussion [19:14]
mircea_popescu << heh no wonder no action on [19:16]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:54; shinohai: hue [19:16]
assbot BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 92`522 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [19:16]
mircea_popescu << ru has seen on tv how "the big boys do it", ie, how the ustard makes everything about itself. would like to copy this to feel grown-up for once. [19:17]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:09:14; mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no? [19:17]
mircea_popescu in about 500 years or so of looking through doorcrack at table. [19:17]
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ascii_field << brzezinski ~explicitly~ spells it out. [19:17]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 22:08:28; mircea_popescu: << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively. [19:17]
mircea_popescu including a prediction ? link plox ? [19:17]
ascii_field not prediction. prescription. [19:18]
ascii_field it is in his dead tree, 'grand chessboard.' [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00076416 = 4.5361 BTC [+] [19:18]
mircea_popescu looky. you familiar with that theory that you can't have a fighter jet as a birthday present ? same principle. hypothesis only exists as part of a triad : phenomenon under examination (or set of constraints ; or again paradigm or w/e) + hypothesis + prediction set. [19:18]
ascii_field << the current thing is in no sense historically contiguous with anything pre-colonial. [19:18]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 22:11:43; mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy. [19:18]
mircea_popescu there's no hypothesis on its own. [19:18]
mircea_popescu seems to me to be entirely contiguous with pre-ottoman times even. [19:19]
ascii_field hypothesis, correctly formulated, is 'u.s. is following mr b's 'grand chessboard'.' [19:19]
mircea_popescu like risk, the international game of intrigue ? [19:19]
shinohai <<< got trolled by mircea_popescu [19:19]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: in other news, [19:19]
ascii_field the phrase is his. [19:20]
mircea_popescu im sorry alf, i can't count this as anything. [19:20]
* mircea_popescu is more than happy to give credit where credit is due but this doth not constitute an item. [19:20]
mircea_popescu << for le lolz. [19:21]
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mircea_popescu !up akkked [19:24]
-assbot- You voiced akkked for 30 minutes. [19:24]
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shinohai I should make a lulz bot to archive the "best of" [19:29]
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shinohai Evenin' pete_dushenski [19:32]
mircea_popescu << in which fox news has nfi what a thigh gap is. [19:33]
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mircea_popescu let us explain. in physiologically normal adult human females, the thighs touch but for a narrow space around the outer labia. it has a very specific shape that's pretty invariant across the ethnic groups. [19:33]
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mircea_popescu so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. [19:34]
pete_dushenski howdy shinohai [19:34]
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pete_dushenski thunt gap (tm) [19:35]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: lelz [19:36]
mircea_popescu << o hey, we actually get to that. anyway, it's not so terribly different from how rome was a "nation". various actual nations in various states of digestion, also in various states of dependency, and an originator preserved in name only. the original latins were a tiny spec also. [19:37]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:11:12; ascii_field: mats: << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300. [19:37]
BingoBoingo so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. << I think it started off as a tublr meme, small part optical illusion created by a slight leaning forward of the torso allowing the feet to be parted and looking as though standing up, because... ;tldr [19:37]
mircea_popescu mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. [19:38]
mircea_popescu (it's also how things like thigh fucking got started, which is how people "fuck" very young girls to this very day.) [19:39]
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assbot Kendall Jenner, Khloe Kardashian and Beyonce spur new 'thighbrow' trend | Daily Mail Online ... ( ) [19:40]
mircea_popescu << and africa. and alaska. and patagonia. and omaigerd, the us proper. [19:40]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:15:04; ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion. [19:40]
shinohai The Kardashians are also developers now, so I guess that makes me one too. [19:40]
BingoBoingo mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. << Of course, but in the selfie era people find ways to photographically exagerate ala the FGAS [19:41]
mircea_popescu << check it out, the usg stole cryptome ? [19:41]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:18:14; trinque: << on the homepage too [19:41]
ben_vulpes was that fox or colbert's satire routine? [19:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes isn't that guy's name fox ? hence fox news ? [19:41]
ben_vulpes stephen colbert, boss. [19:42]
mircea_popescu hm. [19:42]
ben_vulpes don't put it past fox, ofc, but...that guy's a 'comedian'. [19:42]
mircea_popescu but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? [19:42]
shinohai Joe Biden jokingly offered to be his veep if he runs for prez [19:43]
mircea_popescu that then spawned an entire school of "humorists", like you know, the equivalent of the nazi party agitprop folks, [19:43]
mircea_popescu who also thought they were pretty fucking cool and hip and whatnot. [19:43]
BingoBoingo but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? << That's the Oliver guy [19:43]
BingoBoingo Or the Stewart guy, [19:43]
pete_dushenski oliver is a branch on the john stewart tree, same as colbert [19:43]
ben_vulpes not stewart? [19:43]
mircea_popescu jesus [19:43]
BingoBoingo Or there's too many of them [19:43]
* ben_vulpes squints at the tree of horseshit [19:43]
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ben_vulpes hey guys [19:43]
ben_vulpes ever fill out a security assesment? [19:43]
mircea_popescu how about we just call the generic type fox and then i can think fox news was named for him and we move on ? [19:43]
trinque that colbert guy gave biden a lavish dick polishing on CBS recently [19:44]
ben_vulpes no because no foxes are savvy yo [19:44]
mircea_popescu oh shit. [19:44]
mircea_popescu [19:44]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: genre savvy [19:44]
ben_vulpes grunge savvy [19:45]
ben_vulpes grunt savvy [19:45]
ben_vulpes omgtehkittens [19:45]
ben_vulpes clearly pussyday at casa popescu [19:45]
trinque have yet to close [19:45]
mircea_popescu << well you don't yet know if run by tards or run by people who just got kidnapped etc. [19:47]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:20:27; ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ? [19:47]
mircea_popescu in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing. [19:47]
ben_vulpes "is remoted access to networks protected?" [19:48]
pete_dushenski << masochist. [19:48]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 15:03:06; shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop." [19:48]
* ben_vulpes 's bullshit producer needs more booze [19:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12708 @ 0.00076725 = 9.7502 BTC [+] {3} [19:50]
mircea_popescu << there is exactly no beenfit in providing "the world" with any sort of service. [19:50]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:21:53; ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point [19:50]
pete_dushenski << hahaha. wd AND hilariously redundant title [19:53]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 16:22:59; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - [19:53]
trinque deedbot- barfeth what deedbot- muncheth [19:54]
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mircea_popescu o look at that, short form keyids too. [19:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076569 = 19.0657 BTC [-] [19:56]
mircea_popescu dawg this crypto cutting edge is so fucking dull... [19:56]
mats bet still reads 'ETC' in description [19:56]
mats >Irrespective of traded price, this bet resolves as Yes if the total traded ETC/BTC volume ... [19:56]
mircea_popescu material error! [19:59]
mircea_popescu << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ? [20:00]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 21:39:07; ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation. [20:00]
mircea_popescu let it suck worse. [20:00]
mircea_popescu the only immoral thing in this world is a derp that has things. [20:00]
mircea_popescu o hey, apparently ethereum had a "people can remotely take your eth from your wallet" bug sometime in late august ? [20:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076735 = 9.8988 BTC [+] [20:04]
mircea_popescu herp. [20:04]
shinohai Yes I remember that, they were upset that I mocked them for it and said it was really a feature or something. [20:05]
shinohai [20:08]
mircea_popescu oh makes sense. [20:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, total feature. keeps the economy going. [20:09]
mircea_popescu and for all the cat protestors, [20:11]
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ben_vulpes bawwwww [20:13]
ben_vulpes wait ive got one too [20:13]
ben_vulpes [20:13]
assbot Natalie Upton on Instagram: “Margot loves to wake Fin from her afternoon siesta with a whole lot of #littlesisterinyoface. 01f602 01f46d #pressplay #finleygirlandgogo #everyday #wakeup #kisses” ... ( ) [20:13]
BingoBoingo [20:21]
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mircea_popescu ehehehehe [20:23]
mircea_popescu great. [20:23]
shinohai d'awww [20:23]
BingoBoingo Wait, here's another [20:25]
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punkman I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar. [20:26]
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BingoBoingo Nah punkman, If I were a bum training dogs I'd train him to steal the tobacco [20:26]
punkman tobacco is kept inside though [20:27]
BingoBoingo Dog can jump [20:27]
punkman dog was pretty sneaky in his approach too [20:27]
BingoBoingo What can be done with cheetos? They aren't food. Can't imagine they would ferment to something drinkable. [20:27]
mircea_popescu i lolld [20:29]
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mircea_popescu whyte guys can't say ho! [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137999 @ 0.00077379 = 106.7822 BTC [+] {10} [20:30]
ben_vulpes lol what is that from [20:33]
trinque "Ho indeed Mr President." [20:33]
trinque o my sides [20:33]
mircea_popescu << check it out. a tweet gets a buncha reddit upvotes. because why ? because it's from some schmuck (that lopp derp) that's being implanted. [20:35]
assbot Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." : Bitcoin ... ( ) [20:35]
mircea_popescu remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu that's how antonoderps are born. [20:35]
BingoBoingo lol how many times does he comment on his own derp [20:36]
assbot statoshi comments on Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." ... ( ) [20:36]
mircea_popescu and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. [20:37]
BingoBoingo lol, This is not biology. Si Fab is closer to biology than this. [20:38]
* ben_vulpes is reading the 2013 pynchon—pretty lulzy lambasting of the dotcom shitshow + the idiocy of nyc immediately before the jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams incident [20:42]
ben_vulpes Among the mystery vendors discovered by the resourceful Eric Outfield down in the encrypted files of hashslingrz is a fiber brokerage called Darklinear Solutions. [20:43]
ben_vulpes Who in their right mind, you wonder, would go into fiber these days, given the huge decline in new installation since last year? Well, back during the tech bubble, it seems so much cabling was put in that now miles of existing fiber are just sitting there what they call “dark,” and the result is that outfits like Darklinear have come swooping down on the carcass of the business, scouting out overinstalled, unused fiber in otherwise [20:43]
ben_vulpes “lit” buildings, mapping it, helping clients put together customized private networks. [20:43]
ben_vulpes What’s puzzling Maxine is why hashslingrz’s payments to Darklinear are being kept hidden when they don’t have to be. Fiber’s a legitimate company expense, bandwidth needs at hashslingrz more than justify it, even the IRS seems to be happy. And yet, just as with, the dollar amounts are way too big, and somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion. [20:43]
ben_vulpes ("Hey, We've Got Awesome And Hip Web Graphix, Here") [20:44]
BingoBoingo and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. << And now that we are making fun of Lopp'd off his penis qntra is being DDoS [20:44]
ben_vulpes [20:47]
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trinque ahhaa [20:47]
trinque *ahaha [20:47]
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shinohai <<< moar [20:49]
assbot If you've ever wanted to see a cult pray for a piece of vaporware to exist, now is your chance. : Buttcoin ... ( ) [20:49]
mod6 asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: [20:49]
assbot GRAPH_V ... ( ) [20:49]
trinque mod6: very cool! [20:50]
mod6 thanks :] [20:51]
mod6 i think there is also some sort of mechanical way I can walk through my validated seals hash and perhaps somehow label the node who whom has signed. [20:52]
mod6 i dunno, gotta think on it a bit on how that would look -- might just be a mouse-over or "alt" type of attribute. [20:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00076735 = 19.3372 BTC [-] [20:56]
ben_vulpes client security wants to know if we do risk analysis on "emerging mobile code" [20:57]
punkman [20:57]
trinque :| [20:57]
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ben_vulpes myeah because coffeescript on node.js with mongodb and a half-baked orm wasn't considered a risk [20:57]
trinque what in the fuck is emerging mobile code [20:57]
asciilifeform << this is glorious. [20:58]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 23:47:41; mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: [20:58]
asciilifeform but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified [20:58]
asciilifeform << along with many other u.s. folks, i ~watched~ this happen with obama [20:58]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 23:33:35; mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ? [20:58]
BingoBoingo what in the fuck is emerging mobile code << Gentoo mobile [20:58]
asciilifeform he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election [20:59]
* trinque babbles incoherently about trigger warning [20:59]
asciilifeform just mentioned. [20:59]
asciilifeform 'the new up-and-coming senator, likely presidential hopeful, ....' [20:59]
asciilifeform mr. whatthefuck [20:59]
asciilifeform i actually misparsed his name, it was slightly mangled, 'who is baracko bama ???! [20:59]
asciilifeform distinct recollection, i asked the pet, 'what kind of name is baracko ?!' [21:00]
BingoBoingo he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election << 2004 during that Senate primary East Saint was covered in signs for the "heritage" anglo candiate for that seat. Literally every boarded up window had a sign. Obama still won. [21:00]
asciilifeform << i can see this perspective. but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this. [21:01]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 22:58:21; mircea_popescu: << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ? [21:01]
asciilifeform or kako's logs [21:01]
BingoBoingo BLAIR HULL, that's the cracker who had the signs [21:01]
asciilifeform after all, they face the public. [21:01]
asciilifeform givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! [21:01]
BingoBoingo givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! << But they offer PHREE humiliation to the public [21:02]
asciilifeform thing is, imho world is not made of us and of derps, or rather it ~is~ but rather like a mountain of lamproite [21:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i just uncrated my '92 incidentally [21:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the backplate is a little wobbly [21:03]
asciilifeform i am disappointed in the bizarre physical design of that [21:03]
* asciilifeform never had the 92 before [21:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mine has a pretty solid backplate, is the backplate switch in the "locked" position? [21:03]
asciilifeform it is. [21:03]
asciilifeform i might end up putting some 3m double-sided sticky under it. [21:03]
asciilifeform my unit is a '92 plus' btw. [21:04]
BingoBoingo Huh, where did your some from. Mine claims heritage from "IMHS 40" "16" [21:04]
asciilifeform if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges. [21:04]
BingoBoingo Ah, mine is plain 92 [21:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mine is unmarked. [21:04]
asciilifeform and looks more or less virginal. [21:04]
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asciilifeform as in, no dust, no fingerprints [21:04]
asciilifeform no boy cheated on his exams with this one. [21:05]
BingoBoingo Mine has some scars [21:05]
BingoBoingo But beautiful screen [21:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: put lithium 'aa' cells in it. [21:06]
BingoBoingo if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges. << /me theoretically would kind of like to port this software to "Mac Classic" which is too slow to be useful as B&W Mac [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8286 @ 0.00076735 = 6.3583 BTC [-] [21:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll get batteries soon. Has new chicom AAs and new chicom Lithium CR2032 [21:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: hah, apparently contrast adjust is different on this than 89 [21:07]
asciilifeform works great. [21:07]
BingoBoingo Works like my 89 did to my best memory, green diamond [21:08]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what fw ver in yours ? i have 1.05, june the 6th 1999 [21:09]
asciilifeform or rather, june the 2nd [21:09]
BingoBoingo I haven't found that yet. Prolly ought to order used book, because damned if I am trusting this to pdf [21:09]
asciilifeform your 89 book will suffice [21:09]
asciilifeform they are ~exactly~ the same but for the keyboard, iirc. [21:10]
BingoBoingo Sold 89 book with 89 back in college for booze money [21:10]
asciilifeform l0l [21:10]
BingoBoingo WHen found out since my college did not do applied math did not need calculator [21:10]
* asciilifeform lolz at the external display port on the '92 [21:11]
BingoBoingo I have to admit I kinda want to put some games on it and spend a day riding the Metro Link in St Louis [21:13]
asciilifeform it is more or less the perfect 'game boy' form factor, aha [21:13]
BingoBoingo Better than Gamboy in terms of screen by far [21:14]
asciilifeform play 1-bit audio through the i/o jack ! [21:14]
BingoBoingo Seriously [21:14]
asciilifeform do the weird green electroluminescent backlight mod! [21:14]
asciilifeform relive childhood. [21:14]
BingoBoingo lol Gameboy was not backlit in any meaningful way [21:14]
* asciilifeform only ever saw it in pictures [21:15]
BingoBoingo I even remember the "front lit" accessory [21:15]
BingoBoingo Consisted of magnifying lens and lamp in frame [21:15]
asciilifeform btw magnifiers are old hat for tiny screens [21:16]
asciilifeform my grandfather had a tv (one of the early ru tv sets) that came with a gigantic flask you would fill with water and affix to the screen [21:16]
BingoBoingo Ah [21:16]
asciilifeform (which was perhaps a hand's breadth in side) [21:16]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified << I'll see what I can do about this. It's at the node level. So the entire node itself is linkified. I'm just getting into all the things you can do with this Graph::Easy thing. [21:16]
asciilifeform mod6: very spiffy though [21:17]
asciilifeform and belongs on imho. [21:17]
mod6 cool, thx. once i get it polished up a bit, yeah, will link it. [21:17]
* asciilifeform takes off hat to mod6, whose 'v' is light-years ahead of the old dusty original. [21:18]
mod6 i wanna see if I can add a mouse-over label or something to each node to whom has signed each vpatch. which I think, with adding a custom attribute or something, I can do. [21:18]
* mod6 bows. [21:18]
asciilifeform THIS is why i wanted folks to re-write it [21:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where is yours ! [21:18]
BingoBoingo AH, apparently there are projector peripherals for TI-92 and others [21:19]
mod6 i wanted to just to ensure that I understand everything going on in there. it's a decent exercise programatically, but I'm not much of a python guy. [21:19]
asciilifeform i'd enjoy reading mircea_popescu's fortran or focal whatever 'v' too, even. [21:19]
mod6 same! [21:19]
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mod6 thanks for writing 'v' asciilifeform; i really love this thing. [21:20]
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asciilifeform oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot [21:20]
asciilifeform !up optimator [21:20]
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asciilifeform << iirc this is not even the first time ! [21:23]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 22:45:32; mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing. [21:23]
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BingoBoingo !up btcdrak [21:25]
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asciilifeform << cosmic rays !!111 (tm) [21:26]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 23:34:47; mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. [21:26]
BingoBoingo oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot << Seriously they seem to be back without Phuctor to fuck with [21:26]
kakobrekla what gave it away, the name? :) [21:27]
BingoBoingo Nah, the smell [21:27]
asciilifeform ^ [21:28]
BingoBoingo ;;google barbara streisand stink ray [21:28]
gribble Barbra Streisand - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle: ; Mecha-Streisand 2010 - YouTube: ; 'South Park' recap: Episode '201' - Entertainment Weekly: [21:28]
kakobrekla as long as it wasnt the color of the bits. [21:28]
asciilifeform nah, it was smell & taste strictly. [21:28]
kakobrekla i can put a ban on it.. [21:28]
asciilifeform sure. let's see who if anyone complains. [21:29]
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asciilifeform anonyderps are meat, they exist for our entertainment. [21:29]
BingoBoingo Eh, maybe let them stalk here a bit and mebbe they'll leave britney-qntra alone [21:29]
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ben_vulpes man [21:36]
ben_vulpes ui programming is fucking complicated [21:36]
ben_vulpes whether it's the hepcat "rfp" or the mvc/mvvm patterns [21:37]
ben_vulpes blee [21:37]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Do you want to know what an example of a truly elegant friendly program with a wonderful user interface is? [21:38]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: cmus, if your UI is more compilated or intuitive than that of cmus there is a problem [21:41]
pete_dushenski << myup. see also : replacement for usg 'green building council', one Mahesh Ramanujam [21:43]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 17:25:43; mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ? [21:43]
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pete_dushenski << 'usggbc' [21:49]
assbot Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [21:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00076265 = 59.7536 BTC [-] [22:02]
pete_dushenski << the fractals, they're everywhere ! [22:02]
assbot Peugeot Fractal concept revealed at Frankfurt motor show | Autocar ... ( ) [22:02]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Looks like Tesla is getting smashed between actual car companies [22:05]
pete_dushenski totally. the baby porsche panamera e-whachamathing is gunning right for it. [22:06]
* BingoBoingo doesn't think the utility propositions offered by present electric cars measure up to the original Chevy Silverado hybrid [22:06]
pete_dushenski and hey, who wouldn't choose porsche over usg ? [22:07]
BingoBoingo Even the Peugot is gunning for Tesla [22:07]
pete_dushenski what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry [22:07]
BingoBoingo Once tesla revealed their hand was competing not on efficiency, but stotting Porsche had it [22:07]
BingoBoingo what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry << Worksite AC power, contractors loved it [22:08]
pete_dushenski for real eh [22:08]
BingoBoingo Seriously, more efficient than a honda generator [22:08]
pete_dushenski neato [22:09]
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pete_dushenski << said model s killah [22:09]
assbot Porsche Mission E concept revealed at Frankfurt IAA 2015 - YouTube ... ( ) [22:09]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: You see that "open source car" company spamming press releases all over the news today? [22:10]
pete_dushenski yes, both are still epically stupid, atrociously poor investments and not a recommended use of finite capital, but hey, idjit gonna idjit [22:10]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: nah [22:10]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: They got a few interesting designs, like a "rally car" that looks kinda looks like a short wheelbase classic GTO... But they insert 3D printing places machine shop is certainly cheaper [22:11]
BingoBoingo Anyways I kinda though "sevenesque" designs birthed the whole open auto design environment [22:13]
pete_dushenski <-- o hey steve cropley, thx for reading contravex eight months ago and pretending like you needn't quote references --> [22:14]
assbot Smooth-riding sofa cars from £5000 - used car buying guide | Autocar ... ( ) [22:14]
assbot The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [22:14]
pete_dushenski or maybe i'm so vain that i see my fingerprints everywhere. hard to say :P [22:14]
BingoBoingo Hard to say anymore [22:14]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: sevenesque ? like lotus 7 ? [22:14]
BingoBoingo Indeed pete_dushenski [22:15]
BingoBoingo One of the most from the ground cloned cars in history [22:15]
BingoBoingo And often improved over the origina; [22:15]
BingoBoingo I mean what other single model of motor vehicle has another whole genera of near imitators [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.00076265 = 61.9272 BTC [-] [22:16]
pete_dushenski the 7 is hard to beat in that category [22:18]
BingoBoingo Seriously [22:19]
pete_dushenski << pluto [22:19]
BingoBoingo It is the standard for clonable vehicle [22:19]
assbot ... ( ) [22:19]
pete_dushenski << hillary's popularity, 2008 vs. 2016 races. [22:21]
assbot ... ( ) [22:21]
* pete_dushenski still doing that 'objective observer' thing, yes. [22:21]
BingoBoingo lol [22:22]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: So far my investment in this election ends on this bet resolving as 'No' because whoever bet yes went with the very likely outcome, but did it with balls [22:25]
BingoBoingo [22:25]
assbot BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 1 day 1 hour ago ... ( ) [22:25]
pete_dushenski ya, that was a strong bet. matched only by the eth NO guy. [22:26]
pete_dushenski lobbymclobsiderson [22:26]
BingoBoingo I just trickled enough to discourge other 'no' money and then someone still put a million satoshis on it. [22:28]
BingoBoingo In other news [22:28]
assbot Let's stop telling newbies that they can buy an account to join sig campaigns. ... ( ) [22:28]
shinohai top kek BingoBoingo [22:30]
shinohai Do sig campaigns actually pay anything? [22:30]
BingoBoingo ;;google the stock exchange holders on welfare [22:30]
gribble Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism - Oxford Scholarship: ; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: ; JIBS Book Review - Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism ...: (1 more message) [22:30]
BingoBoingo Boo [22:30]
BingoBoingo shinohai: They did at one point, but Phillipenis and the cost of selling one's soul make it dubious [22:31]
shinohai I don't socialize there, I just lurk and read. [22:32]
BingoBoingo Socializing ended there when Pirateat40 ended as far as I can tell, since nothing but blood [22:33]
shinohai Doesn't seem worth it to me. [22:33]
BingoBoingo And /r/bitcoin is totally against citizens arming [22:34]
assbot I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [22:34]
asciilifeform shinohai: l0l what's the use, in usa. usg makes them collect names. [22:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ [22:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In that thread /r/bitcoin's attitude to arming and the calls for less arms [22:40]
BingoBoingo Anyways who in the US would by an arm from anyone other than a crack dealer? Gotta tilt counter party risk in your favor if you are going to take it. [22:41]
BingoBoingo "if only America was more concerned about gun regulation than Bitcoin regulation." etc [22:42]
BingoBoingo Not that the average 'Murican hamplanet could actually use a firearm in conflict with effectiveness [22:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71150 @ 0.00076265 = 54.2625 BTC [-] [22:44]
BingoBoingo lol [22:45]
assbot StubNuts comments on I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. ... ( ) [22:45]
mircea_popescu awww teh ddos!!1 [22:46]
BingoBoingo Also lol considering qntra DDoS [22:46]
assbot Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked : netsec ... ( ) [22:46]
BingoBoingo awww teh ddos!!1 << And I've had a shit on Twitter piece sitting ready the whole time nao [22:47]
mircea_popescu let's hope twitter doesnt' go bankrupt first. [22:48]
pete_dushenski could be post-mortem [22:48]
pete_dushenski like shitting on myspace [22:48]
BingoBoingo Though because DDoS I had to change "today" to "yesterday" [22:49]
mircea_popescu "somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion." wut ? [22:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28885 @ 0.00076265 = 22.0291 BTC [-] [22:51]
BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1432121957992267555.png << For the record some of our puddles here from March have yet to dry [22:51]
assbot ... ( ) [22:51]
BingoBoingo ANd how does Cairo, Illinois get the "abnormally dry" marking on that map. They are practically living in Kevin Costner's "Waterworld" [22:52]
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mircea_popescu << i saw that (after the fact). [22:55]
assbot Logged on 15-09-2015 23:56:44; asciilifeform: he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election [22:55]
mircea_popescu and yes, the comment was "mr nobody is prolly slated for something or the other." [22:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was an instant wtf [22:55]
asciilifeform i watched it live, on a gigantic projector screen at uni of m [22:56]
BingoBoingo Popular sentiment here was how does the colored with a terrorist name with the Senate primary [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: [...] but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this. << why not ? [22:57]
asciilifeform because 'fuck the public' ? [22:58]
asciilifeform i mean, we are serving up bandwidth and cpu cycles 'for nothing', no ? [22:58]
asciilifeform (but the way i see it, there is some amount of 'us' remaining to be extracted from 'public'. so there is a point.) [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58471 @ 0.00075703 = 44.2643 BTC [-] {4} [23:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: holy hell that '92' is spiffy. like having 'derive' that boots up in 100 millisec. i forgot how great this felt. [23:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and this one has no fewer than ~three~ 'enter' keys. just to make various strokes shorter. [23:00]
mircea_popescu understand, the "public is worthless" argument isn't there to be wielded against me. it's just there for ME exclusively to wield against anyone else. [23:00]
BingoBoingo Seriously asciilifeform I am overwhelmed with the awesome. Also how goddamned many 2nd keys??? [23:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56329 @ 0.000757 = 42.6411 BTC [-] {2} [23:01]
mircea_popescu so, "why aren't you doing homework ?" "i dun feel like it" "how come you're going out ? i thought you didn't feel like it ?" "now i do." [23:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is easy, sure [23:01]
BingoBoingo 2, 2 keys to get to the gold functions [23:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y' [23:02]
mircea_popescu i do not think strangers are worth anything anyway, and i don't think trying to find out how much they're worth is a sane use of resources. [23:02]
mircea_popescu the stable historical solution seems to be, "ignore them unless one in particular makes you horny. fuck that one." [23:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y' << Embrace the machine when y(x)= [23:03]
* asciilifeform vaguely recalls mircea_popescu once expressed interest in the notion of a multi-pgp'd blog [23:04]
mircea_popescu << stolfi stumbles on "reddit makes up random numbers, displays them throughout the site", infers something about some dude he doesn't like. [23:05]
assbot Subscriptions up 400% in a certain censored subreddit : Buttcoin ... ( ) [23:05]
mircea_popescu << check it out trinque, lots and lots and LOTS of people wanna be in the deedbot- business now. [23:06]
assbot What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain ... ( ) [23:06]
BingoBoingo So, interesting tidbit from this past weekend's fight undercard. First fight featured a competitor who KO'd as many opponents professionally as Money has won against [23:06]
mircea_popescu funnay how that worx [23:06]
asciilifeform What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain << reminds me of the canonical ww1 joke [23:06]
* BingoBoingo thinks namecoin would still be the best torrent tracker [23:06]
asciilifeform 'what should you do if a shell lands in your trench?' [23:06]
BingoBoingo ln 'enemy' [23:07]
mircea_popescu this "we've released many open source tools" is the new "would you like to read my poetry" [23:07]
asciilifeform -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' [23:07]
mircea_popescu nobody reads shitty code from web derps. [23:07]
mircea_popescu NOBODY. [23:07]
asciilifeform eh, virologists read it. [23:08]
asciilifeform once in a blue moon. [23:08]
mircea_popescu not his. [23:09]
mircea_popescu "it", in general, sure. never his. [23:09]
mircea_popescu just like, every year some men rape some women, [23:09]
mircea_popescu but it's never one of those "almost raped" wilty daisies. [23:09]
BingoBoingo My god, hwo the fuck could Mayweather's old ass justify making himself the main even in this thing. Rough two of the Gonzales-Oquendo undercard fight was spectacular. [23:10]
asciilifeform only when they travel to tahrir square and ask nicely. [23:10]
mircea_popescu even there. [23:10]
asciilifeform (every so often, some american 'activism' chick travels to an orc pit and gets drilled out several #s, and it makes the nyooz) [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61523 @ 0.00075672 = 46.5557 BTC [-] {3} [23:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, it's a pipe saturation thingee, we see how long can keep it up. [23:15]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phakt: you can natively do 1024-bit rsa on the '92. [23:15]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see also [23:15]
assbot Accuracy Information for the TI-89 Family, TI-92 Family, and Voyage™ 200 Graphing Calculators. - Knowledge Base by Texas Instruments - US and Canada ... ( ) [23:15]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped [23:16]
asciilifeform why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...? [23:16]
BingoBoingo i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped << Would make a lot of sense. I was suspecting because we were mocking Lopp kid in chan again. [23:17]
BingoBoingo why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...? << Phuctor is down and they have idle udp to piss somewhere [23:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no idea. [23:17]
mircea_popescu lol [23:17]
asciilifeform i suppose there is delay. perhaps i will be shot a decade from now and will have forgotten why !! [23:17]
mircea_popescu only right way to do it. [23:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, ima go have some icecream. [23:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phuctor had a human plug-puller who is prolly making his way to where trilema lives [23:18]
asciilifeform or qntra, etc. [23:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ah, plug pulling was especially useful against phuctor. Qntra and Trilema though have the pipe saturation weakness. [23:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00076135 = 39.6663 BTC [+] [23:22]
asciilifeform another thing i'm a bit confused about is why a usg-sponsored ddos should ever let up [23:22]
asciilifeform what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ? [23:22]
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BingoBoingo what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ? << Can't because plausible deniaility [23:23]
asciilifeform what deniability remains plausible here ? [23:23]
pete_dushenski ;;isitup [23:23]
gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. [23:23]
asciilifeform it is abundantly clear who and why [23:24]
asciilifeform at this point [23:24]
pete_dushenski ;;isitdown [23:24]
gribble is up [23:24]
pete_dushenski if you say so, gribs [23:24]
pete_dushenski ah nm [23:24]
pete_dushenski just a bit slow [23:24]
BingoBoingo it is abundantly clear who and why << Clear to whom? To the uninitiated it seems qntra posted this on /r/netsec and new audience sees site down assumes small and new qntra [23:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Consider we are the bass who swallowed the crankbait. Adversary assumes it is playing us on the line. [23:31]
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pete_dushenski << moar 'legal' lulz [23:41]
assbot Wireless executive gets prison after BlackBerry leak [23:41]
pete_dushenski as IF ceo of 400-franchise mobile retailer is leaking info for a paltry $2k/mo. [23:45]
pete_dushenski this is america, ceos are supposed to be one-percenters! [23:45]
pete_dushenski what kind of scam is this. [23:46]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this ties in to the earlier thread today re: the sale of 0days. [23:46]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: even if this schmuck had used bitcoin, and done so correctly, he still could not establish credibility to the buyer without revealing who he was. [23:46]
asciilifeform (perhaps i am thick, but i don't see how mircea_popescu's solution would work here) [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14946 @ 0.00076135 = 11.3791 BTC [+] [23:47]
asciilifeform << l0l, 'predators' will fly in usg's latvia. [23:48]
assbot U.S. Air Force cites 'alarming' Russian strides in air power [23:48]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: ? [23:49]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up. [23:49]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: see thread: [23:50]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 01:29:19; asciilifeform: << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third ' [23:50]
pete_dushenski yes. [23:52]
pete_dushenski schmuck's problem is being usian. full stop. [23:52]
pete_dushenski other issues are surmountable, but that usian thing's a prickly thorn [23:52]
BingoBoingo ... << l0l, 'predators' will fly in usg's latvia. <<< But A-10's stationed in Romania. If only the US upgraded its highest performing Air-to-Air platform... the A-10 [23:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'predator' is mainly an intimidation tool, rather than a weapons system in the usual sense [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66598 @ 0.0007603 = 50.6345 BTC [-] {5} [23:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Still scary that the A-10 is a superior air-to-air combatant to more expensive newer dedicated platforms [23:57]
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