Forum logs for 15 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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decimation not every call girl can do calculus, she needs to be given a better purpose [00:15]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164012 < those are very fancy hats [00:21]
assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this [00:21]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state? [00:28]
assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 17:31:18; mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition [00:28]
decimation if there were an obvious alternative it probably would have happened already? [00:28]
trinque a WoT of a hundred million people, maybe [00:32]
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decimation I guess. when your house is on fire are you gonna look through your rolodex? [00:34]
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trinque there are a number of ways to come at that particular problem [00:35]
decimation sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure [00:36]
trinque couldn't we apply the same argument to plowing the roads, or other similar work? [00:39]
trinque in the absence of a central authority dictating that there shall be a fire dept, I wouldn't expect that the need to put out fires would vanish along with it [00:39]
funkenstein_ where do you live that the state runs the fire dept? [00:41]
decimation not a literal us state here, state = government [00:41]
trinque ^ [00:41]
funkenstein_ well any business has its governing structure [00:42]
funkenstein_ fire departments usually don't need to be able to counterfeit money [00:43]
funkenstein_ non sequitur, sorry [00:44]
funkenstein_ what is the alternative to slavery? [00:46]
decimation but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep [00:46]
funkenstein_ what do you mean someone has to claim the land? [00:47]
decimation if the land is unclaimed, how do you build a house? [00:47]
funkenstein_ with materials [00:48]
trinque owning something is having control over it [00:48]
decimation heh [00:48]
trinque it's not an abstract granted by an authority [00:48]
decimation trinque: yes, and the implication quickly becomes "I sit in my mud hut with my ak and you sit in yours" [00:48]
decimation if you need an army to do anything that is [00:49]
trinque we should define what we mean by state [00:49]
funkenstein_ indeed [00:49]
trinque probably means something a bit more than "owns this dirt" [00:49]
funkenstein_ there is the question of "who's your roof" [00:51]
trinque this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer [00:51]
trinque decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries [00:52]
trinque I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater [00:53]
decimation trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks [00:53]
trinque neither can I [00:53]
decimation note that this doesn't imply 'modern state' is the only possibly solution [00:53]
trinque perhaps something eventually emerges which is the aggregate of contracts within the WoT [00:54]
decimation but it seems to me that nearly all qualifying solutions meet some definition of 'state' [00:54]
trinque and in fact, built upon consent, it would have far greater legitimacy [00:54]
funkenstein_ malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not [00:55]
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trinque malcolm x was a reactionary with no proposal [00:56]
trinque cept what, islam? [00:56]
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funkenstein_ his proposal was that the bullet was more powerful than the ballot [00:57]
trinque thought of that all by himself, did he? [00:57]
funkenstein_ that wasn't his claim [00:57]
trinque anyhow. it's true that anywhere humans gather and interact structures will emerge [00:57]
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funkenstein_ true indeed. people talk about "the government" as if that meant something specific.. so many out there [00:58]
trinque decimation: one important distinction may be that whereas the modern state seeks to make humans fungible, to normalize them according to some standard [00:59]
trinque the WoT allows for *varying* standards of interaction based on the relationships involved [01:00]
decimation sure, but that's a distinction between 'a state' and 'the modern structure' (as moldbug would put it) [01:01]
trinque I don't disagree [01:01]
decimation I would probably setting for a 'modern state' that did its best to cultivate the quality of its human potential, rather than treating it like an infinite resource [01:02]
decimation s/setting/settle/ [01:02]
funkenstein_ i find it easier to talk about tax regimes [01:03]
trinque if you presuppose my involvement in some agreement between other people, you've presupposed me right out of the conversation in both cases! [01:05]
trinque lol [01:05]
trinque if I haven't signed something, it has been forced upon me [01:05]
trinque to state the obvious [01:06]
funkenstein_ to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born [01:06]
trinque the social contract is religious bullshit [01:07]
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funkenstein_ I'm not sure what the social contract is. As you point out, I didn't sign it [01:09]
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trinque or "you are not your own but were bought at a price" [01:10]
trinque corinthian's something something [01:10]
trinque or any other such brainwashing which precludes my own decisionmaking [01:10]
decimation trinque: but in that case Paul is referring to those who believe in Jesus [01:10]
trinque sure and my parents had me baptised [01:10]
trinque so I'm his bondslave for life according to this or that interpretation of folk legends [01:11]
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decimation if your point is that your salvation is involuntary, I don't think that is correct, but Christians do disagree on this point [01:12]
trinque point is people with mouths can declare anything at all [01:13]
trinque that doesn't mean that I acknowledge it [01:13]
decimation indeed. yet, you were born, fed, taught, and you will die. [01:14]
trinque when someone says "there is a social contract" that's just a backdoor way of saying "you shall accept the implications of there being a social contract" [01:14]
trinque I might revise that further to "I shall force you to behave as though there were such a thing as a social contract." [01:15]
trinque though the "I" in the sentence may not be the speaker [01:15]
funkenstein_ so what behavior are we talking about here? [01:16]
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decimation trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise) [01:18]
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trinque decimation: I grant that [01:21]
trinque wouldn't it be nice for a man to call a command a command, so you know what freedom you actually have [01:23]
trinque if any. [01:23]
trinque the destruction of the language in order to convince slaves they are not slaves costs far too much [01:24]
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trinque decimation: I've heard it called "stealing your stolen from" around here, and it's exactly on the mark [01:26]
trinque so then going back to the "state", if the "state" is this, then a "state" is *not* the aggregate of agreements made by free men [01:27]
trinque might be nice to give that one it's own word [01:27]
funkenstein_ in practical use, the state is whatever the guy with the gun tells you it is [01:28]
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trinque funkenstein_: things are what they are, though we may be forced to call them otherwise [01:32]
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funkenstein_ yhwh wasn't interested in this new testament stuff [01:36]
funkenstein_ trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks [01:37]
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funkenstein_ while we're here, http://www.theonion.com/video/onn-exclusive-one-on-one-interview-with-god-37236 [01:43]
assbot ONN Exclusive: One-On-One Interview With God - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie5mul ) [01:43]
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punkman tea and crumpets [03:49]
punkman I do have a piece left, maybe for lunch [03:53]
punkman don't fry it though, better toasted/grilled [03:54]
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punkman punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi [03:58]
punkman can't go wrong with steak [04:02]
punkman then you gotta buy some seeds [04:03]
punkman well anything will do, it's salad [04:09]
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punkman any snail farmers down under? [04:12]
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punkman not too often, I got a box of them fattening up though [04:13]
punkman fry them with garlic and rosemary [04:13]
punkman white flour [04:15]
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punkman no the box gets pretty gross [04:17]
punkman gotta give them a scrub, and check for casualties [04:28]
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punkman in other news https://musalbas.com/2015/06/14/e-detective-security-advisory.html [04:31]
assbot Security advisory - E-Detective Lawful Interception System ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSIWTY ) [04:31]
punkman "The .tar file must be encrypted with the static key /tmp/.charlie. Yes, that's the actual key - the software passes the wrong argument to OpenSSL. -K is used to pass the keyfile instead of -kfile, meaning that the key is the path of the keyfile rather than the contents" [04:31]
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punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHbGtiVUEAAwfM9.jpg [04:37]
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thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39xdf3/bitstamp_withdrawal_17_days_and_counting_no/ << burnside resurfaces [15:28]
mircea_popescu i take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ? [15:32]
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mircea_popescu http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/05/17/sailor-death-bahrain-balcony-farragut/27483591/ [15:46]
assbot Sailor dies in Bahrain after fall from balcony ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz6N0t ) [15:46]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-114533 << people still working on the ~fallout~ :D from that article. [15:56]
assbot The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz7Op3 ) [15:56]
mircea_popescu seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en [15:58]
mircea_popescu tire societal relations to make room for the horse on the battlefield. [15:58]
mircea_popescu and yet... [15:58]
mircea_popescu ugh... wrong fucking link. i meant http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114526 [16:03]
assbot On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8yuy ) [16:03]
Naphex !up dooglus [16:04]
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mircea_popescu and in Naphex news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrmr7k6kpn1qd2dcwo1_r1_500.gif [16:05]
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Naphex :)) [16:05]
mircea_popescu lol [16:05]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164079 << it certainly is more mind altering than a long term alcohol habit. [16:09]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 00:25:07; jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor." [16:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164089 << because you're not on the stuff the guy's smoking [16:10]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 00:32:11; jurov: dunno why I find it so funny [16:10]
ben_vulpes mebbe in that it'll drive you insane.. [16:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164101 << lul WHAT THE SHIT [16:10]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man – but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.' [16:10]
mircea_popescu how is "working undercover" what you do when you sit around in a gas station "trying to catch people who self serve" ? this isn't even lance corporal, whaty officer. [16:11]
BingoBoingo https://falkvinge.net/2015/06/15/launching-new-reporting-service-682-writers-editors-managers-wanted-for-part-time-yes-youll-get-paid-and-paid-well-launch-now-operational-in-q3/ << lol qntra ripoff [16:11]
assbot Launching New Reporting Service – 682 Writers, Editors, Managers Wanted For Part-Time. Yes, You’ll Get Paid, And Paid Well. Launch Now, Operational In Q3. - Falkvinge on Infopolicy ... ( http://bit.ly/1cWAUfC ) [16:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for as long as fiat financing lasts, everyone gets to pretend they're the most serene republic. [16:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes exactly what i meant. [16:11]
BingoBoingo "publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock – but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images [16:12]
mircea_popescu lol immune to adblock. [16:13]
mircea_popescu "we've seen teh weird web technologies deployed on 8chan last month and we figure it's actual magic" [16:13]
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mircea_popescu anyway, someone should tell falkvinge to gtfo in here and stop being retarded. [16:15]
mircea_popescu he's not THIS stupid, no need to fake it. [16:16]
BingoBoingo Dude prolly figures since oldmedia pays him more attention than it does mp, that he can just mash two mp ideas together and herptiy derp and whistle while he twerks [16:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164125 << sounds just like pretty much every smart woman ever. what exactly is "failed " ? [16:17]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 02:47:59; decimation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise? [16:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe. there should be a new word, "low functioning intelligence". the exact counterparty to high functioning autism [16:18]
mircea_popescu when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain. [16:18]
BingoBoingo Sounds like an actual problem. I'd consider tossing him an invite, but he's a complete stranger. All I know him as is the pirate trying to make a qntra... but special needs. [16:20]
mircea_popescu he had some rather on point comments re bitcoin's end game in 2012 [16:20]
mircea_popescu i think i even commented on his site at some point [16:20]
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BingoBoingo I have vaguely familair with the name being said places, but the context is unknown to me. [16:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???". [16:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 03:24:29; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state? [16:25]
mircea_popescu needn't have "an alternative to monarchy" in terms monarchy'd comprehend. ditto re state. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu the proposition that "religion === morality" or "state===society" or "monarchy===worldview" etc is so much smarmy pretense. [16:26]
mircea_popescu if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice. [16:26]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164143 << the state is neither. [16:29]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 03:32:36; decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure [16:29]
BingoBoingo !Up HeySteve [16:29]
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scoopbot_revived France Demands Google Extend "Right to be Forgotten" to Global Domains http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-demands-google-extend-right-to-be-forgotten-to-global-domains/ [16:29]
mircea_popescu it pretends, and apparently convincingly, to be either or both, but it is neither. for that matter, koreans believe "the party" is equal to "the atmosphere". what of it. [16:29]
HeySteve hey, thanks BingoBoingo [16:29]
mircea_popescu how goes. [16:29]
HeySteve well thanks, how are you? [16:30]
mircea_popescu not bad. [16:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164147 << you will know the leper by his sores. "the state" is any arrangement which pretends that the use of violence is under "its" monopoly. [16:30]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 03:37:49; decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government [16:30]
mircea_popescu this has exactly zero to do with governance in the general case. [16:31]
HeySteve today's luls courtesy of America: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-15/lying-white-african-american-naacp-president-resigns-shocked-focus-her-race [16:31]
assbot Lying White 'African American' NAACP President Resigns Shocked By Focus On Her Race | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igdfzu ) [16:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164153 << im not even sure. [16:31]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 03:42:37; decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep [16:31]
BingoBoingo !up ag3nt_zer0 [16:32]
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ag3nt_zer0 thanks! [16:32]
mircea_popescu iroquis worked fine without anyone "claiming the land". fine enough for the us to try and copy off them everything they didn't understand from french anyway [16:32]
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danielpbarron BingoBoingo, "Google has made undeniably made an effort" remove the first 'made' ? [16:32]
danielpbarron also, "whether its has" should be 'it' ? [16:33]
ag3nt_zer0 question: does it matter what email provider I use for GPG setup? I tried to set it up with Tutanota but cannot set it up with thunderbird and enigmail which i suspected but wasn't sure until I tried... I shudder to maintain any connection to google or yahoo, but does it matter with GPG? [16:34]
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mircea_popescu if you run gpg correctrly, whic his to say locally, use plaintext email [16:35]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164175 << he is wrong. the state becomes necessary when people who aren't willing to kill if it comes to it wish to pretend they're still people. [16:41]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 03:51:29; funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not [16:41]
HeySteve sounds like the justification for a communist state [16:42]
mircea_popescu it does ? [16:43]
ag3nt_zer0 ok ty mircea_popescu I am pretty confused... I have been following contravex guide - so is that preparing me to run locally? Or is utilizing enigmail through thunderbird attached to a gmail account no longer local? And is it just more secure to use plaintext over html? So much to learn... [16:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have). [16:43]
mircea_popescu whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours. [16:44]
mircea_popescu this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium. [16:44]
BingoBoingo ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client [16:44]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break. and yes, what he said. [16:45]
ag3nt_zer0 ok thanks guys [16:45]
mircea_popescu we routinely pass messages here as dpaste for instance [16:45]
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BingoBoingo ag3nt_zer0: But mail client beats webmail, because webmail fuck up line endings and spacing [16:45]
BingoBoingo ag3nt_zer0: Claws is a good email client, but do your email writing and reading outside of it and encrypt/decrypt outside of it [16:46]
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BingoBoingo Don't want plaintext leaking into your drafts folder... [16:46]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Both fixed [16:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164195 << no, obama's daughters have signed up to suck my cock when they were born. i signed nothing. [16:48]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 04:02:58; funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born [16:48]
mircea_popescu see how nicely this works ? [16:48]
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mircea_popescu also the jews signed to like gas when they were born. [16:48]
ag3nt_zer0 ok, thanks for the help guys, and please forgive the derpage, but I suppose this means do not use something like the enigmail add-on? [16:48]
ag3nt_zer0 I will check out claws too thanks BingoBoingo [16:48]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 you'd be the first one here to use it. [16:48]
asciilifeform what's with the folks who 'need' the automated email-pgp things? are they still using 2-button mice ? [16:49]
ag3nt_zer0 hehe [16:49]
trinque what's a mouse [16:49]
asciilifeform trinque: that thing you sometimes use to move crud between x11 terms [16:49]
trinque haha, oh right [16:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i doubt most people realise security is not an app [16:50]
BingoBoingo Also one of the greatest weapons of the shitgnomes is burying people in bad choices [16:50]
mircea_popescu hey, it worked for wallmart... [16:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not quite. all the 'bad choices' are really many faces of one god, upon the most casual examination [16:51]
mircea_popescu that sounds pretty jewish [16:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course, but what is one to do when they first encounter berries in the wilderness? [16:51]
ag3nt_zer0 So I got a raspberry pi and am hoping that noodling around with this device will correct some of these fundamental misunderstanding I have... [16:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: look for the dead animals ? [16:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Russian are prettty well culturally jewish. [16:52]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: what is it that you want to learn? [16:52]
mircea_popescu esp in odessa [16:52]
asciilifeform aga [16:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's nature the dead animals don't last long before other animals see the phree protein [16:52]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164500 << not quite. in unstable 'racial yugoslavias' like usa, 'state' is the apex predator. if it goes to sleep for just one day - the place burns [16:53]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 19:22:29; mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice. [16:53]
decimation how would the iroquis mint chips? how would they arrange for more than 5000 humans per sq mile? [16:53]
asciilifeform 50 [16:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164216 << the difference between jewish religion and communism is slight. the pretense christianity is anything but an (intellectually lesser) jewish sect is ridoinculous. and so here we go. [16:54]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise) [16:54]
mircea_popescu decimation are you putting formal constraints on human happiness noiw ? [16:54]
ag3nt_zer0 Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave [16:54]
decimation all human happiness is relative [16:54]
mircea_popescu "how would they solve the prob lem solved by chips" ios one question. [16:54]
mircea_popescu "How would they make X" is another. [16:55]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: how did you come to the notion that a closed turd of a platform such as 'raspberry' is a good starting point for learning programming ? [16:55]
ag3nt_zer0 Asciilifeform: magickally I think [16:56]
mircea_popescu lol [16:56]
mircea_popescu !gettrust ag3nt_zer0 [16:56]
assbot ag3nt_zer0 is not registered in WoT. [16:56]
mircea_popescu i guess you can't do that till you sort gpg huh [16:57]
ag3nt_zer0 no working on it haha yeah [16:57]
BingoBoingo ag3nt_zer0: TI-89 is probably a better platform for play computing [16:57]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: may i suggest a change in magicks ? have a stern talk with your amulet supplier. [16:57]
trinque !b 1 [16:57]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the -89 in production for the past 7 or so years is a steaming pile of shit [16:57]
ag3nt_zer0 asciilifeform: yes working out the LSD kinks [16:57]
asciilifeform imagine, a calculator with a boot time! [16:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hence Ebay [16:58]
BingoBoingo Why would anyone buy a "new" "calculator" [16:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: same reason why a winblows box. 'it's what they had in the shop' [16:58]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164495 << no one actually asks 'what is the alternative to state.' what they are really asking is 'what, in your cosmography, is to be the means whereby i get fed, roofed, and far away from bloodthirsty cannibals like before ?' and if the answer is 'you don't, fuck you, biodiesel' don't expect a 'thank you' from the interlocutor [17:00]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 19:21:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???". [17:00]
mircea_popescu tough. [17:00]
mircea_popescu might as well ask "what in your cosmography, maps the thing that ensures my eternal life past the pearly gates" [17:01]
mircea_popescu i am not responsible for the subjective delusion of inquirers. [17:01]
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asciilifeform nah they're just interested in earthly life past next tuesday [17:01]
mircea_popescu nope [17:01]
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mircea_popescu they just discuss it in those tersm, inappropriately. [17:01]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, they are discussing salvation in the reliugious sense [17:01]
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asciilifeform imho this deserves a little elaboration, if there is 'space in this margin' [17:02]
asciilifeform most folks i encounter in usa are elementarily concerned with cannibals [17:02]
asciilifeform very practical problem [17:02]
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mircea_popescu yeah. what you don't know is that the concept of "cannibals" is alike the concept that "niggers are by nature made to be slaves" [17:02]
asciilifeform nothing theological about it [17:02]
mircea_popescu came from the same place, too. [17:02]
mircea_popescu hahaha [17:02]
mircea_popescu guess the place it came from [17:03]
mircea_popescu starts with m and ends in y [17:03]
asciilifeform actually it comes from observable ground. i can walk for an hour right now and end in a place from which would have even chances of coming back. [17:03]
mircea_popescu not so observable. antrhopologically speaking, the behaviour in question is beyond rare. [17:04]
asciilifeform about as rare as pedestrians run over by bus [17:04]
decimation ascii could also ride a nearby train in a certain direction and be the only member of his race aboard [17:04]
asciilifeform most pedestrians, at most times, are able to stay out of under the bus. [17:04]
trinque east coast cities really do suck [17:04]
mircea_popescu in the european cultural discourse it ended up as a bit of editorializing by people without a daily mail, looking to illustrate the idiocy they read in some book. [17:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. about as rare as women giving birth to buses. [17:04]
asciilifeform decimation: for this, i don't need the train. live there. [17:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is no dispute that the state creates that place it supposedly defends you from. [17:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of course. [17:05]
mircea_popescu christianity ended up creating on earht the hell it was going to save people from [17:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: none of what i describe here existed in 1950. [17:05]
mircea_popescu communism ditto. [17:05]
mircea_popescu it's just a thing [17:05]
asciilifeform but it ~is~ here now. [17:06]
decimation except those 'christians' were departing from orthodox doctrine [17:06]
mircea_popescu sucks. [17:06]
mircea_popescu decimation oh, comrade stalin betrayed the sacred ideals ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu tell me more.tiff [17:06]
decimation more like, they became closet atheists and decided to use the church as a propaganda organ [17:07]
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mircea_popescu but the church is funfamentally good amirite? just it was misimplemented in practice. [17:07]
mircea_popescu hitler for pope! [17:07]
decimation people are fundamentally evil and so are their institutions [17:08]
mircea_popescu some institutions are necessarily going to fuck up because they proceed from broken presumptions. [17:08]
mircea_popescu christianity is one of them. [17:09]
decimation if you read the old testament, most of the people who became prophets were hit upside the head by God and told what to do, they weren't bureaucrats receiving their sinecures [17:09]
mircea_popescu (and yes as alf points out, the "broken presumptions" are always faces of the same demon. "people are equal", his proper name) [17:09]
trinque "There is an ultimate power you can know and derive knowledge from directly, and his son absolved you of every mistake you could ever make." << fucking mind virus [17:09]
trinque the one short-circuits learning and the other justifies it [17:10]
mircea_popescu trinque interesting, we have different criteria ? [17:10]
asciilifeform trinque: this particular virus only works on those who are immunocompromised to begin with [17:10]
asciilifeform like the oddball flora which infest aids patient [17:10]
trinque mircea_popescu: maybe, how so? [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, in aids patients virulence does not follow the usual curves. [17:11]
trinque asciilifeform: yeah, got me young, still didn't take [17:11]
mircea_popescu which is to say : interacting microorganisms sorta repress each other, all the time. but in imunocompromised patient, DIFFERENT set has the upper hand [17:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, because now it is a contest of who can eat the meat faster, rather than who can evade immune mechanism [17:12]
mircea_popescu it's not just "more" or "random". it's actually different sets. [17:12]
asciilifeform sorta like the dynamics of ecosystem of criminals after, rather than before, demise of mega-state [17:12]
asciilifeform (to bring it back to usaschwitz thread) [17:12]
mircea_popescu well, partly that, partly "there's no longer the state here to clean out x y z and make it livable for K M N so Q W R win out" [17:12]
decimation so, for good reasons many choose the state they know [17:13]
decimation instead of the bandits they don't [17:13]
mircea_popescu works fine for as long as they're happy with it [17:14]
mircea_popescu the junkie with fifty pounds of pure heroin stashed away isn't going out in the streets either. [17:15]
asciilifeform to paraphrase mr rumsfeld, 'you get raped by the state you have, not the state you wish you had' [17:15]
trinque I don't remember choosing a state [17:16]
asciilifeform aha [17:16]
decimation or 'post-monarchial non-state' as the case may be [17:16]
asciilifeform but the question is normally a kind of hypothetical, 'would you like usg or the orcs with pitchforks' [17:16]
asciilifeform usually folks answer 'usg says 'your money or your life', orcs say 'your life'; hence usg' [17:17]
mircea_popescu as such it is misstated, in the manner owners of slavegirls misstate the world to the slavegirls. [17:17]
mircea_popescu "would you like the beatings here or to be run over by a bus ???" [17:17]
mircea_popescu welllll.... [17:17]
trinque biggest contribution to choosing a state most people can make is saying "nope, not this one" [17:17]
decimation asciilifeform: what's the alternative? gentle bandits? usg with 'reform'? [17:17]
asciilifeform trinque: even this is beyond the abilities of most [17:17]
mircea_popescu stepping out of the idiotology. [17:17]
trinque eh they can in aggregate, just don't know it [17:17]
asciilifeform decimation: last i checked, there is not a button on my desk that cancels usg [17:18]
trinque or forget time to time [17:18]
asciilifeform trinque: 'can in aggregate' like the chinese can jump and create earthquake, yes [17:18]
asciilifeform which is to say not. [17:18]
asciilifeform stepping out of the idiotology << what does this consist of in practice ? [17:19]
mircea_popescu i run into this question a lot. "just stop" "how ?" "by not doing it" "but i don't know how!!1" [17:19]
mircea_popescu usually it's resolved with "if you ever do this again im going to beat you with a wet dulap" [17:20]
asciilifeform i notice a tendency among #b-a folks to dwell on 'convince folks to leave gravity well.' well, guess what, i was convinced 15+ yrs ago, before ever met you lot. and fat lot of good it did [17:20]
asciilifeform one needs the means as well as the will. [17:20]
mircea_popescu when there's a means there's a will or how was it [17:20]
trinque "where there's a will there's a way" ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu i think "when there's a butthole there's a plug" [17:21]
trinque lol [17:21]
asciilifeform tell that to the fellow writhing in the leather straps on electric chair [17:21]
mircea_popescu i'm just the man to do that, too. so yeah, i will. [17:21]
trinque "You can do it!" "Manifest your destiny, brother!" [17:22]
trinque bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpppppttttssss! [17:22]
trinque "Hm... alright bring in the next one!" [17:22]
mircea_popescu mno, more like, "well... you are aware the alternative would have been being eaten by cannibals right ???" [17:22]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164230 << yep [17:24]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 04:33:18; funkenstein_: trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks [17:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164299 <<< ahahah what the fuck [17:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 09:17:46; scoopbot_revived: CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/ [17:25]
mircea_popescu so basically... a lot of "different people" who are actually all the same guy compose a community which spent years accusing me of being hanbot ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164306 << at this rate you'll end up with a mistress. [17:28]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164356 << kind of ? heh. [17:32]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts." [17:32]
mircea_popescu get used to it, flondors. [17:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164358 << more importantly, turns out that when you work for the usg, you sign your own prison sentence / death warrant. [17:33]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:14:35; pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper ! [17:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164376 << isn't megan fox that porn cyborg woman ? [17:36]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project," [17:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid." [17:37]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:45:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164361 << depends on what one means by 'agent.' afaik, mere stoolies don't fill out forms. [17:37]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164712 << know that almost all folks paid by usg fill out no forms like these. [18:25]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 20:34:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid." [18:25]
asciilifeform speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other [18:26]
asciilifeform (e.g., old residences, employers, blood relatives, marriages, etc) [18:26]
trinque ~or~ why doesn't the NSA file my taxes? [18:26]
asciilifeform what remains after these are subtracted is some very wooden 'list the terrorist orgs you have been a member in, and why' verbiage [18:27]
asciilifeform (literally! read the thing) [18:27]
trinque and why lol [18:27]
asciilifeform (btw the answer, at least partially, for 'why they don't consult the files' is that what the inquisitors are mainly interested in is ~liars~ rather than the facts) [18:27]
asciilifeform ditto the tax collectors [18:28]
asciilifeform (if 'nsa filed your tax,' who would ever pay fines ?) [18:28]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done". [19:30]
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mircea_popescu must be in backwards world, this magical place where "official replies" go to reddit and tardstalk. [19:31]
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mircea_popescu ehehe [22:31]
mircea_popescu nice netmask. [22:32]
mircea_popescu and in highschool news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb73p2TaLz1rq6vz1o1_500.gif [22:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiCe2 ) [22:38]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164722 < it's a good question. in fact, a careful reading of the form is interesting not for the stupid questions it asks but the large gaps it doesn't ask about [22:42]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 21:22:20; asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other [22:42]
decimation it seems that most of the 'security apparatus' of usg is geared toward catching dumb or incompetent spies [22:43]
decimation apparently like it is also geared to catch dumb terrorists [22:43]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811885 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811886 [22:44]
assbot Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur. [22:44]
assbot Logged on 27-08-2014 04:10:26; asciilifeform: notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret' [22:44]
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ben_vulpes how is "working undercover" what you do when you << couldn't possibly be real. lulzy satire of the state of the state tho [23:23]
ben_vulpes when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain. << or insists, operating under a complete lack of evidence that "it can't possibly keep going on like this much longer!" [23:25]
ben_vulpes that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot [23:28]
ben_vulpes esp in odessa << ehe late as always, i am [23:29]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164552 << i rarely if ever use a mouse. I'm a big fan of the rubber nub in the center of the keyboard, even if it is the reason my 'b' key fell off and later stopped working [23:52]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 19:45:47; trinque: what's a mouse [23:52]
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