Forum logs for 14 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mjr___ because they are not doing any trading right now i thought [00:00]
Scrat there's like a trade every minute [00:00]
pgp trading up on other exchnges, though [00:00]
mjr___ yes, but that wouldn't be in goxlag [00:00]
mjr___ thats why the figure is bogus right now [00:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-] [00:01]
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Scrat ThickAsThieves: looks exactly like the exit of the bull trap indeed [00:02]
pgp uh oh 86 [00:03]
pgp scrat - yes! [00:03]
taub btce higher price than gox lol [00:03]
mjr___ i've all but decided to ignore mt gox [00:03]
pgp massive spread [00:03]
pgp mjr: ignore all you want, but that is where the volume is whether we like it or not... [00:04]
mjr___ true [00:04]
mjr___ but i think that none of the info is accurate right now [00:04]
mjr___ basically i meant i am removing myself from the day to day speculation [00:04]
mjr___ in a year, we won't have to worry about this [00:04]
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KRS1 smart [00:05]
mjr___ i personally think that this is proven to be valuable, the shitty exchanges, the amateurish business practices...those will fade away [00:05]
KRS1 ;;ticker [00:05]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.30000, Best ask: 97.70000, Bid-ask spread: 5.40000, Last trade: 97.70000, 24 hour volume: 277905.74548814, 24 hour low: 86.10000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 109.98186 [00:05]
KRS1 how are these trolls saying $45 on cocks [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00070861 = 14.8099 BTC [+] [00:06]
KRS1 damn trollbox [00:06]
mjr___ hahaha [00:06]
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mjr___ i'm just too tired to care about mt gox anymore (i've never actually used their exchange) [00:07]
pgp new low [00:07]
pgp now the lag figure comes back [00:09]
pgp ;;goxlag [00:09]
gribble MtGox lag is 418.186162 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.838040386402 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU). [00:09]
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c1n0 7am here [00:09]
c1n0 another succesful night [00:09]
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ll !t h him [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.42000000 / 1.52325 / 1.55000000 (40 shares, 60.93000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.43929106 / 1.93000000 (302 shares, 434.66590011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.72087506 / 2.08000000 (822 shares, 1414.55930041 BTC) [00:16]
mjr___ i believe bitfloor is still over 100 [00:17]
KRS1 it's funny if you look it says 864901usd for buying BTC on btc-e but if look at the order book below it doesn't come close the buy walls are way lower then the 80's [00:18]
Namworld "Trade engine cooldown (lag too high), order placing suspended until 2013-04-13 21:30:00 UTC" [00:19]
Namworld Fuckin Gox?!? [00:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00121 BTC [+] [00:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.0012 = 0.012 BTC [-] [00:19]
Namworld They're doing this everytime the price tries to go down... fuckers [00:19]
mjr___ this is why i am not paying attention to them [00:20]
mjr___ too much distortion [00:20]
mjr___ price discovery is ruined there [00:20]
joecool LOL [00:20]
joecool Sat Apr 13 21:20:54 UTC 2013 [00:21]
mjr___ if you want to sell, i'd say transfer your coins, and find somewhere else [00:21]
ll !t b ASICMINER-PT [00:21]
assbot The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. [00:21]
mjr___ you won't get the real value at gox [00:21]
KRS1 ;;ticker [00:23]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [00:23]
mjr___ this is what i mean though, they keep halting trading, lag is horrible, impossible to get good price discovery [00:24]
KRS1 <@gribble> BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.00000, Best ask: 93.68822, Bid-ask spread: 1.68822, Last trade: 93.68822, 24 hour volume: 270184.75339750, 24 hour low: 85.81638, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.44672 [00:24]
KRS1 circa 45 sec ago [00:25]
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Namworld no, I already sold my coins [00:27]
Namworld like at the peak =P [00:27]
Namworld Just trying to daytrade >.> [00:27]
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Namworld and I get that notice... [00:27]
mjr___ Namworld: you buying back in? [00:27]
pgp wait [00:28]
Namworld just a bit to resell on upswings [00:28]
Namworld trying to daytrade [00:28]
Namworld since there's no trading fees right now anyway [00:28]
pgp apt description - it take about a day to get your trade off at gox... [00:28]
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Namworld yeah [00:30]
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pgp ;;bids 0 [00:39]
gribble There are currently 44205127 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13852258.158 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0097 seconds [00:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.0012 = 0.0036 BTC [-] [00:40]
pgp lot a coin - new low [00:40]
mjr___ i specifically think that cash transfers in are held up... [00:42]
mjr___ though there may be less of that due to confusion [00:42]
pgp cash out of gox? really? anyone experiencing that? [00:43]
mjr___ cash transfers in i think [00:43]
deadweasel localtill has notice about mass influx of ppl and delays [00:43]
mjr___ that is what i am thinking [00:44]
mjr___ cash coming in is lagging too [00:44]
mjr___ but bitcoin can be moved easily [00:44]
mjr___ pretty ironic actually [00:44]
deadweasel there is no decent way to do it right now [00:44]
pgp i see [00:44]
mjr___ sellers of bitcoin can do it easier because of how well bitcoin works [00:44]
mjr___ while buyers of bitcoin find it a lot harder because of the problem that bitcoin fixes [00:44]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-] [00:45]
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mjr___ it is also funny because look how long it takes to get a wallet (10 minutes maybe) vs opening an account with gox (10 days) [00:48]
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assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00158 BTC [+] [00:57]
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mjr___ 106 on bitfloor [01:01]
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pgp wtf is going on? [01:05]
mjr___ lol [01:05]
Diablo-D3 ;;ticker [01:06]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 106.00000, Best ask: 107.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 107.00000, 24 hour volume: 271659.47224216, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.06013 [01:06]
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InstantBTC anybody want to buy bitfunder FIAT.USD? [01:23]
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mod6 ;;ticker [01:37]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.95922, Best ask: 100.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04078, Last trade: 100.00000, 24 hour volume: 256355.09573227, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 130.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.70365 [01:37]
InstantBTC anybody interested in bitfunder fiat.USD. willing to negotiate [01:39]
error4733 !asks 0 [01:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 998 @ 0.01 = 9.98 BTC [-] [01:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00141 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00141 BTC [-] [01:44]
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mod6 ;;bids 70 [01:50]
gribble There are currently 44077.116 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 3582388.69964 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0045 seconds [01:50]
KRS1 ;;bids 50 [01:51]
gribble There are currently 111597.63 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 7394789.86558 USD in total. | Data vintage: 78.6505 seconds [01:51]
KRS1 woa only $20 diff [01:51]
KRS1 more than doubles..hmm [01:52]
KRS1 ;;bids 60 [01:52]
gribble There are currently 68666.837 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.0 USD, worth 5118822.40047 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0057 seconds [01:52]
Skarr downturn starts within 2 minutes, methinks [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00070377 = 1.7946 BTC [-] [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069882 = 4.8917 BTC [-] [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5190 @ 0.00069532 = 3.6087 BTC [-] [01:57]
Skarr prediction fail [01:59]
mod6 book depth looks strong down to $70: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html [02:00]
mod6 but... heh, who would want to trade gox? [02:00]
kakobrekla ;;goxlag [02:02]
gribble MtGox lag is 21.636523 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0433593498374 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU). [02:02]
kakobrekla ;;ticker --last [02:02]
gribble 100.00000 [02:02]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819982 BTC [+] [02:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819983 BTC [+] [02:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.819985 BTC [+] [02:05]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.82 = 9.02 BTC [+] [02:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.822 = 7.398 BTC [+] [02:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.54 = 15.4 BTC [-] [02:09]
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mjr___ smickles: hi [02:14]
mjr___ ;;seen smickles [02:14]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 31 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [02:14]
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kakobrekla ;;bids 90 [02:21]
gribble There are currently 11300.548 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 1071065.90632 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0046 seconds [02:21]
kakobrekla where are cheap coins? [02:22]
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*hanbot* beats [02:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34595 BTC [+] [02:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.34596 = 2.7677 BTC [+] [02:42]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.01499 = 1.484 BTC [-] [02:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [+] [02:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3874 BTC [+] [02:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.11 = 0.66 BTC [+] [02:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 7 @ 0.119 = 0.833 BTC [+] [02:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-] [02:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34595 BTC [-] [02:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.119 = 0.595 BTC [+] [03:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 689 @ 0.35 = 241.15 BTC [+] [03:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [-] [03:02]
ll !t h sdice [03:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.33500001 / 0.34968039 / 0.35000000 (747 shares, 261.21125000 BTC), 7D: 0.12500000 / 0.31245602 / 0.37000000 (2073 shares, 647.72133729 BTC), 30D: 0.12500000 / 0.38628791 / 0.59999900 (8030 shares, 3101.89191280 BTC) [03:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14751 @ 0.00070247 = 10.3621 BTC [+] [11:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [-] [11:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.385 BTC [-] [11:47]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+] [11:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:54]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.50000, Best ask: 104.99991, Bid-ask spread: 1.49991, Last trade: 103.50000, 24 hour volume: 179212.74308339, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.90000, 24 hour vwap: 103.55658 [11:54]
mircea_popescu heh, in the 100 to 130 corridor huh ? [11:54]
mircea_popescu nice. [11:54]
Scrat Apr14 08:55:52 mtgox x207 4,302.5790 @ 101.26449787 USD [11:57]
Scrat oh oh oh [11:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 74 @ 0.3874 = 28.6676 BTC [+] [12:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.3874 = 7.748 BTC [+] [12:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.39 = 11.7 BTC [+] [12:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+] [12:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.365 = 0.73 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.3659 = 2.5613 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3659994 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3659995 = 2.928 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.393 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.3935 = 5.509 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.394 = 9.85 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.3999999 = 8 BTC [+] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+] [12:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [-] [12:11]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-] [12:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 229 @ 0.004 = 0.916 BTC [-] [12:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.0039 = 0.039 BTC [-] [12:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 6 @ 0.00223 = 0.0134 BTC [+] [12:14]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.804 BTC [-] [12:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8031 = 2.4093 BTC [-] [12:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00361 BTC [-] [12:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.0036 = 0.108 BTC [-] [12:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0036 BTC [-] [12:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00353 = 0.0141 BTC [-] [12:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 19 @ 0.0035 = 0.0665 BTC [-] [12:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-] [12:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-] [12:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.41 = 3.28 BTC [+] [12:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+] [12:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [-] [12:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.40789999 = 1.2237 BTC [+] [12:51]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174600.0;all [13:08]
mircea_popescu bitcoin-24 apparently cocked up ? [13:08]
Namworld That's kind of part of the problem [13:09]
Namworld of why people keep using MtGox even if it keeps failing [13:10]
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Namworld Needs a better trading platform but trading elsewhere than MtGox can be risky. [13:11]
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mircea_popescu heh. [13:14]
mircea_popescu i see what you mean. [13:14]
mircea_popescu of course... i see mtgox as quite as risky myself [13:15]
mircea_popescu but then again i guess people have this too big to fail mentality going. [13:15]
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Namworld Well they could. I see it more as a longstanding history of not getting hacked out of all users funds. There was hacks but they at least protect their BTC wallet. [13:17]
Namworld You can't review code/measures unfortunately [13:18]
Namworld How many other platforms again and again, despite it occuring regularly, popped up with all funds on a hot wallet only to get it all stolen? [13:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10499 @ 0.00071058 = 7.4604 BTC [+] [13:19]
Namworld They know others were hacked but somehow don't protect their wallet still, despite having more than a fair warning that's not something to do. [13:19]
Namworld Anyway [13:19]
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mircea_popescu well take bitcoin-central. [13:20]
mircea_popescu they've done about the same thing, been in business for about the same interval etc. [13:21]
mircea_popescu on the other hand people like bitfloor indeed don't opr at least didn't protect the walletr worth a shiot. [13:21]
Namworld yeah [13:22]
Namworld oh, I've made another chart of prices compared to the 2011 bubble in it's last days [13:23]
mircea_popescu show [13:23]
KRS1 link? [13:23]
Namworld http://i.imgur.com/LWGXliJ.png [13:23]
KRS1 ty! [13:23]
Namworld It mirrors the 2011 almost perfectly, albeit on a different price scale [13:23]
KRS1 eerie [13:24]
mircea_popescu well in as much as there's rebound oscialltions after yeah [13:24]
mircea_popescu but to my eye the rise and the fall are pretty distinct [13:25]
Namworld Disclaimer: **similarities does not guarantee same outcome** [13:25]
mircea_popescu i mean june had a pronounced bear trap on the way up [13:25]
mircea_popescu april did not. [13:25]
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mircea_popescu april collapse was very deep and rebound sharply [13:25]
mircea_popescu early on [13:25]
mircea_popescu june did no such thing [13:25]
Namworld Indeed, it's not a perfect replica. [13:26]
mircea_popescu how did you obtain red line ? [13:26]
mircea_popescu is it by some math or just hand drawn ? [13:26]
Namworld vague, hand drawn following of prices [13:26]
mircea_popescu a [13:27]
Namworld Not very accurate [13:27]
mircea_popescu that's dangerous as it may contain a lot of bias [13:27]
mircea_popescu sorta "see what you expect to see" thing [13:27]
Namworld True [13:27]
Namworld Albeit the drop was much steeper, resulting in a large gap in prices, which might have helped the rebound [13:27]
Namworld usually we see more rebounds/stronger ones on sharper movements [13:28]
Namworld Hmm, quite late it seems. ALready morning... I'll be on my way I think. [13:31]
Namworld Goodbye [13:31]
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mircea_popescu later [13:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8031 BTC [-] [13:38]
KRS1 mircea popescu- you know what...2011 didn't have something we have now.. [13:41]
KRS1 Fox News and Kudlow? Attention.. [13:41]
c1n0 mircea is alive, fox news lied to me [13:41]
mircea_popescu lolk [13:42]
c1n0 don't panic sell, mircea is alive and well :) [13:42]
KRS1 lol [13:42]
KRS1 In Mircea we trust [13:42]
KRS1 not that fox news and kudlow are the standard or anything..just using them as an example [13:43]
mircea_popescu trust, but verify. [13:43]
c1n0 so glad we survived that crisis [13:43]
c1n0 almost had to fake my death [13:43]
c1n0 anyone scoop some nice cheap coins? :) [13:44]
c1n0 "satoshi's miracle" 3 more before we have to decalre him a saint [13:44]
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mircea_popescu The French government announced that starting this week, ketchup will no longer be allowed in any school or university cafeteria [13:52]
mircea_popescu what's north korea got ? [13:52]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [14:00]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.72001, Best ask: 101.33741, Bid-ask spread: 0.61740, Last trade: 100.71001, 24 hour volume: 181415.51969588, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.88999, 24 hour vwap: 102.31635 [14:00]
kakobrekla dammit [14:00]
kakobrekla i want my free coins [14:01]
KRS1 a little man with an ego [14:01]
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mircea_popescu lol free coins for what [14:03]
kakobrekla for whta? [14:08]
kakobrekla for buyin! [14:08]
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KRS1 ill take some free coins..im poor man just tryin to make it in this world [14:14]
KRS1 might not be much to you, but its a big deal to me [14:14]
KRS1 ill tell you a joke in return :D [14:16]
c1n0 kimcoin [14:17]
c1n0 use it or we'll kill gas your family [14:17]
kakobrekla dont worry, everything gets settled when we die if not sooner. [14:17]
c1n0 havethe sucides stopped? [14:18]
KRS1 Theres more coming. [14:23]
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KRS1 That dude who put up his family's home for BTC at $160 is about due. [14:24]
KRS1 Hope you all can sleep good at night. [14:24]
KRS1 I know I can =D [14:24]
KRS1 The BTC helps hehe [14:24]
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pgp morning all [14:27]
kakobrekla hi [14:28]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/discovering-the-secret-villanies-of-alluring-strumpets/ [14:29]
mircea_popescu for the classically-minded. [14:29]
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pgp interesting post, mp [14:34]
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pgp the bitcoin "symbol" on the pants is priceless [14:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.00179 = 0.0107 BTC [+] [14:35]
mircea_popescu :) [14:35]
kakobrekla lol [14:36]
KRS1 clap clap [14:40]
ThickAsThieves made $500 in my sleep last night with filled bids and asks :) [14:42]
pgp $avg [14:43]
mpexbot pgp: 101.38 [14:43]
Diablo-D3 ;;ticker [14:44]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 104.11100, Best ask: 104.70999, Bid-ask spread: 0.59899, Last trade: 104.11100, 24 hour volume: 181576.37623180, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 117.88999, 24 hour vwap: 102.05784 [14:44]
Diablo-D3 so we're back to normal? [14:44]
ThickAsThieves nah [14:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 44 @ 0.4 = 17.6 BTC [-] [14:45]
mircea_popescu seems pretty normal to me. [14:45]
KRS1 is trading open on mtgox? [14:45]
ThickAsThieves yes [14:45]
ThickAsThieves and lag is gone [14:45]
KRS1 great- [14:45]
ThickAsThieves fees are back too [14:45]
pgp mp: is the bot ever gonna price puts below 1 ? [14:46]
mircea_popescu i am considering an algo adjustement. we're doing a bunch of modelling and measuring. [14:46]
ThickAsThieves sweet [14:46]
mircea_popescu in no case will this be before the end of the month however. [14:46]
ThickAsThieves i suspected [14:47]
ThickAsThieves was about to say i think bit is done for the month [14:47]
ThickAsThieves bot* [14:47]
pgp noted [14:47]
mircea_popescu can't make changes midmonth, especially as they'd be towards a reduction of premiums [14:47]
mircea_popescu as it'd be unfair to bondholders (whether any harm comes to them from it or not) [14:47]
ThickAsThieves plus it still could crash to 25 [14:48]
ThickAsThieves :) [14:48]
mircea_popescu this on top of the usual consideration of just letting things be. [14:48]
pgp I understand... I am wonderering, though, has anyone bought any of these infinite vol options? [14:48]
mircea_popescu haven;'t had muich trade since the huge swings, no. [14:49]
mircea_popescu notably pretty much noboduy is goiong in the midmarket either, [14:49]
mircea_popescu in spite of the huge spreads. [14:49]
pgp not yet ;-) [14:49]
mircea_popescu yeah. [14:49]
mircea_popescu i9t's been days tho. [14:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, i think the financial tier is well spooked by all the insanity propagated at the exchange tier. [14:50]
mircea_popescu just all the wash trading going on strictly for mtgox's desire to keep on lieing about its market share should be enough of a problem [14:50]
pgp yes... [14:50]
mircea_popescu but there's tons of other issues. so i think pretty m,uch everyotne's models are off the charts, [14:50]
pgp that's my view as well [14:50]
mircea_popescu they just have the advantage of not printing this as mpoe bot does. [14:50]
mircea_popescu well, "advantage" [14:51]
pgp mp: have yuo considered an RBH model for short calls, or do you see the hassle as not being worth the extra liquidity? [14:53]
pgp understand for bond holder's - fixed risk, but for other participants... [14:54]
mircea_popescu an upgrade to a more ellaborate model (such as but not necessarily limited to or equal with rbh) has been in the plan since 2011. [14:54]
mircea_popescu however, we don't have the market to support it yet is my estimation. [14:54]
mircea_popescu certainly the idea is to keep financial instruments as sophisticated as can be borne. [14:55]
pgp hmmm... I think that what you need is more brokers... [14:55]
pgp and third party platform support to make the options less arcane... [14:56]
mircea_popescu certainly more brokers wouldn't hurt. [14:56]
pgp been thinking a lot about that lately [14:56]
mircea_popescu truth of the matter is there;'s plenty of room to get mpex stuff packaged as a sellable vehicvle. both equities and derivatives (diff, fiat, etc) [14:57]
ThickAsThieves the more brokers thing could improve soon... [14:57]
mircea_popescu this could be done via hedge funds or via other vehicles, but yeah [14:57]
mircea_popescu the thing is, most of this is yet immature. take the idiff futures as a great example. it will be a great instrument down the road buyt for now the underlying is just too nonsensical. [14:58]
mircea_popescu (and the people who really need the instrument, ie miners, are much too financially clueless) [14:58]
pgp mp: i don't think that you really have to do much more than you already are... your focus on security and availability is what makes MPEX attractive [14:59]
mircea_popescu yes, i was about to say : a simple way to test rbh specifically is to just open a brokerage offering rbh-based leverage to customers. [14:59]
pgp marketing [14:59]
mircea_popescu this is much better than exchange-level implementation because it's so much easier to limit things. throw 1k btc at this project see how long it takes you to lose it all. [15:00]
mircea_popescu fold orderly, you've contributed no market instability and in fact an orderly folding is better for one's reputation than continued success. [15:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+] [15:01]
pgp I've implemented real-time RBH - its a hassle - and its arcane, but intellectually satisfying from a risk management standpoint [15:01]
mircea_popescu more generally the limited capital and orderly folding is a very important concept that i've been discussing with other people looking to make financial instruments in thsi chan [15:01]
mircea_popescu it's crucial for further development i think. [15:01]
mircea_popescu there's a reason llc companies irl list their capital. [15:01]
pgp agreed [15:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3968 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 80 @ 0.3968 = 31.744 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3969 = 39.69 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.397 = 0.794 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.39797 = 3.9797 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 49 @ 0.39798 = 19.501 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.39798 = 1.5919 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.39799 = 9.1538 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.399 = 9.975 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+] [15:02]
ThickAsThieves most likely i'll be starting an options fund [15:02]
mircea_popescu currently everyone is play-pretending this "unlimited theoretical liability" angle. it's just not workable in any practical way. [15:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.30333 BTC [+] [15:02]
mircea_popescu it's a fiction, and financial fiction never happy ends [15:02]
ThickAsThieves similar to jurov's bond offerings [15:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that may work nicel.y [15:03]
ThickAsThieves i have much of it mapped out [15:03]
ThickAsThieves and a green light from the exchange [15:03]
ThickAsThieves just need to write it up [15:03]
pgp futures is what we really need... [15:05]
mircea_popescu you mean hash futures specifically ? [15:06]
pgp BTC futures... [15:06]
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pgp cash settled based on 24h avg [15:07]
mircea_popescu ah. yeah, i've been talking to people. i will list futures, but i will only list physically settled. [15:07]
mircea_popescu so there must be someone with the ability to make deliveries. [15:07]
mircea_popescu nah, monthly settled by actual delivery. [15:07]
mircea_popescu cash settled is meaningless bullshit practically indistinguishable from a scam. [15:08]
pgp except that means dealing with fiat [15:08]
mircea_popescu whoever runs the future will have to yes [15:09]
mircea_popescu so it's pretty much limited to the exchanges. few actuallty have the sense to know wtf this all is so... [15:09]
pgp are you prepared to deal with fiat? [15:09]
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mircea_popescu me ? what business of mine is it ? [15:09]
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pgp seems to me like you've created something that will evade regulation for a long time because it's strickly BTC [15:10]
kakobrekla fiat is a pain [15:10]
pgp agreed [15:10]
mircea_popescu pgp the idea is for someone who has the ability to make fiat settlements to run the future. [15:11]
mircea_popescu this would be an exchange for many practical reasons [15:11]
pgp i see [15:11]
mircea_popescu also because they'd have to marketmake it [15:11]
mircea_popescu which they'd be in the best position to do. [15:11]
pgp of course. [15:11]
mircea_popescu it really is a perfectly valid and probably profityable niche. [15:11]
mircea_popescu but then again, i participate in 20+ discussions a day, all end with "yes, this is yet another niche, just need the people with a clue to do it" [15:12]
pgp I wouldn't want to try it in the US... [15:12]
pgp CTFC would freak out [15:12]
mircea_popescu if you are already running an exchange you'd better have the paperwork in order already, in which case... [15:12]
mircea_popescu no extra burden [15:12]
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pgp any opinion on best foreign jurisdictions for this sort of activity? [15:13]
mircea_popescu anywhere you have a banking license as first choice. [15:13]
pgp yeah [15:13]
mircea_popescu i really think the best way to go is partner with licensed institutions rather than try and do bermudadollars or w/e [15:14]
pgp prolly [15:14]
mircea_popescu there's what, 150 countries in this world. each has at least five banks. [15:15]
mircea_popescu you tell me out of 10k banks there's not a single one you can partner with ? that seems improbable. [15:15]
pgp panamanian govt seems very user friendly... [15:15]
mircea_popescu might work. [15:15]
pgp been poking around there [15:15]
pgp gibralter also [15:16]
mircea_popescu isn't panama one of the select few countries of which the us kidnapped the head of state ? [15:16]
pgp it is... lots of cache... [15:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00068692 = 10.3381 BTC [-] [15:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00068596 = 4.4244 BTC [-] [15:18]
error4733 !ticker m s.dice [15:21]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00299004 / 0.00409999 (279245 shares, 834.95 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00349098 / 0.0058822 (1860600 shares, 6,495.33 BTC) [15:21]
error4733 malta ;) [15:22]
error4733 cyprus ! wait... not anymore [15:22]
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punkman1 go exotic, Labuan [15:22]
error4733 wtf haha labuan... just check if its exist, but yes... [15:23]
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pgp malta is not a bad choice, either, govt very interested in attacting new business [15:24]
error4733 yes, all big gambling company etc [15:24]
kakobrekla or cyprus [15:24]
mircea_popescu the question is more if the govt is capable of defending new business. [15:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.404 = 1.616 BTC [+] [15:25]
pgp true dat, mp [15:25]
kakobrekla oh i was late with that one [15:25]
error4733 [14:22] cyprus ! wait... not anymore [15:25]
pgp i would have said slovenia a couple weeks ago, but... [15:25]
kakobrekla yep, i suck not reading. [15:25]
mircea_popescu what's the problem with slovenia ? [15:26]
mircea_popescu just that it's insolvent ? [15:26]
kakobrekla he prolly cant get that cnn video out of his head [15:26]
kakobrekla :(( [15:26]
pgp got the link handy... [15:27]
pgp don't mean to throw salt on the wound... [15:27]
mircea_popescu but it's neither here nor there. [15:27]
pgp j/k [15:27]
mircea_popescu so it's insolvent. what problem of yours is that ? you bring fiat in. [15:27]
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pgp joking [15:28]
mircea_popescu o [15:28]
ThickAsThieves hmm, there may be another btc dump imminent [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] ;;bids 75 [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] There are currently 39194.986 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 3382833.99001 USD in total. | Data vintage: 58.9652 seconds [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] ;;asks 175 [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] There are currently 48493.234 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 6706271.46426 USD in total. | Data vintage: 59.7281 seconds [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [08:26] ;;asks 175 [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [08:26] ;;bids 75 [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [08:27] There are currently 67783.678 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 8961608.15255 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds [15:28]
ThickAsThieves [08:27] There are currently 38658.49 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 3330653.01159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0102 seconds [15:28]
mircea_popescu pastebin omg./ [15:28]
ThickAsThieves sry [15:28]
ThickAsThieves 20000 new coins on offer [15:29]
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ThickAsThieves ;;market --sell 10000 [15:34]
gribble A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 959726.8984 USD and would take the last price down to 91.8351 USD, resulting in an average price of 95.9727 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0006 seconds [15:34]
ThickAsThieves ;;market --sell 20000 [15:34]
gribble A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 1845892.5144 USD and would take the last price down to 85.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 92.2946 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 11.4068 seconds [15:34]
pgp I must say that there is a noticeable *lack* of lag today... all that free market making shit is gone... [15:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 66 @ 0.00179 = 0.1181 BTC [+] [15:38]
mircea_popescu heh. [15:38]
mircea_popescu what's to trade ? they who wanted btc have them, they who wanted dollars have them. [15:38]
ThickAsThieves would be pretty fun to watch a massive dump without lag [15:39]
pgp ;;bids 32 [15:40]
gribble There are currently 177622.71 bitcoins demanded at or over 32.0 USD, worth 10173943.3472 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0061 seconds [15:40]
ThickAsThieves winklevoss twins gonna dump us down to 32 :) [15:40]
pgp i wonder what price the winklevi got in at? [15:41]
ThickAsThieves someone told me 15 [15:41]
ThickAsThieves i dodnt read the article myself [15:42]
ThickAsThieves didnt* [15:42]
pgp i suppose that qualifies as an "early adopter" in this environment [15:42]
pgp they claim to have something like 100,000 BTC, eh? [15:43]
mircea_popescu logically the only reason they'd say anything about it is if they bought high and it counts as a capital loss. [15:43]
ThickAsThieves they mustve heard about it though Silk Road press [15:43]
ThickAsThieves yeah they claim 1% [15:43]
pgp ;;market --sell 100000 [15:43]
gribble A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7018310.8642 USD and would take the last price down to 50.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 70.1831 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds [15:44]
ThickAsThieves not too bad [15:44]
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pgp mp: interesting interpretation... [15:44]
stupidz ;;market --sell 100 [15:47]
gribble A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 9972.0481 USD and would take the last price down to 99.7000 USD, resulting in an average price of 99.7205 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0003 seconds [15:47]
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error4733 !bids 0 [15:55]
kakobrekla its ;; for gribble [15:55]
error4733 *first coffee [15:55]
kakobrekla :) [15:56]
error4733 ;;bids 0 [15:56]
gribble There are currently 44136852 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14770558.6823 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0094 seconds [15:56]
error4733 ;;asks 50 [15:56]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 20.9177 seconds [15:56]
error4733 !bids 50 [15:56]
kakobrekla nein [15:56]
error4733 ;;bids 50 [15:56]
gribble There are currently 109504.62 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 7521623.90265 USD in total. | Data vintage: 41.5160 seconds [15:56]
error4733 jajajajaja [15:56]
error4733 ;;eightball do i need a second coffee ? [15:58]
gribble The outlook is good. [15:58]
kakobrekla ;;bc,stats [15:59]
gribble Current Blocks: 231307 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 532 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8984122.26112 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.08748 [15:59]
kakobrekla a few more weeks like that and 100 will be bottom [16:00]
pgp yes [16:01]
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pgp the more time we spend between 90 and 110, the better, imo [16:02]
kakobrekla according to my maffs this bubble was ~4x smaller than the first one [16:03]
savetheinternet is bitfunder.com the best site to buy shares at? [16:03]
pgp of course... [16:03]
pgp $32 to 2 is whole different ball game [16:04]
pgp then again, as much as I hope it stabalizes here, I think think it goes lower [16:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 14 @ 0.0018 = 0.0252 BTC [+] [16:05]
kakobrekla well [16:05]
kakobrekla i hope so too [16:05]
kakobrekla :) [16:05]
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kakobrekla savetheinternet, i guess that would depends on what one is looking for [16:07]
kakobrekla -s [16:07]
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pgp btw, took a while to get down to $2... http://i.imgur.com/LWGXliJ.png [16:07]
savetheinternet i dunno, i only just got into the bitcoin assets game. i bought 490 of ASICMINER shares through bitfunder. but the site looks a bit dodgy/messy, and that WeExchange thing looks pretty bad too. just wondering if there's a preferred alternative to bitfunder everyone uses? is there a mtgox of bitcoin assets? [16:08]
kakobrekla that is true, [16:08]
kakobrekla but there isnt much place to go [16:08]
kakobrekla http://smpake.com/etc/btc/ [16:08]
pgp btc-tc [16:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.0018 = 0.0054 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7451 @ 0.00070797 = 5.2751 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3265 @ 0.00071053 = 2.3199 BTC [+] [16:09]
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taub Fact. The owner of MPEX has attempted to sell NSFW photos of herself. [16:10]
taub lol? [16:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 21 @ 0.404 = 8.484 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.405 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.44 = 1.76 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 115 @ 0.45 = 51.75 BTC [+] [16:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.45 = 22.5 BTC [+] [16:11]
kakobrekla block halving bottom was 0.2 usd per 100mhash [16:11]
kakobrekla and it quickly picked up from there [16:11]
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Diablo-D3 ;;ticker [16:11]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.80001, Best ask: 101.96999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16998, Last trade: 101.80001, 24 hour volume: 181684.56390831, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 116.89000, 24 hour vwap: 101.60381 [16:11]
kakobrekla some historical resistance shows at 0.6 [16:11]
pgp interesting [16:12]
kakobrekla so if we are using hash power to normalize this a bit [16:12]
kakobrekla absolute bottom would be 50 [16:12]
kakobrekla which was accually hit [16:13]
kakobrekla but this is using weighted price [16:13]
pgp interesting, but maybe I'm missing something - do you believe that there is a causal link here? [16:14]
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mircea_popescu taub the fact department is pretty thin [16:15]
mircea_popescu savetheinternet mpex does about 80% of bitcoin denominated financials trade. [16:16]
kakobrekla well difficulty normally follows price [16:16]
mircea_popescu pgp mining at the very least has the impact that when btc goes under mining cost miners move from selling to buying. [16:16]
kakobrekla but i think this should be taken into account in a way, i think its helpful a bit, navigating in this movements [16:17]
mircea_popescu this switch would by far dominate any functioning market. [16:17]
mircea_popescu is btc market functional ? anyone's guess. [16:17]
pgp i see [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+] [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+] [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.52 = 2.08 BTC [+] [16:18]
pgp bitcoin really is its own beast, eh? [16:18]
kakobrekla yea [16:18]
kakobrekla nothing like it [16:18]
kakobrekla (waiting for goat to scream: LTC!!!) [16:18]
pgp lol [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+] [16:20]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136588457332.jpg [16:20]
kakobrekla lol [16:20]
error4733 it's sunday, i'm not at work ! i can open a MP link... [16:21]
error4733 2 times you screw me ! [16:21]
mircea_popescu lol [16:22]
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kakobrekla romania is in the red? [16:22]
mircea_popescu great place to be. [16:22]
error4733 Open a link then close the window with a quick look behind me just to check if a workmate didnt see your nasty link [16:22]
mircea_popescu it's only nasty if you're not doing it. [16:22]
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error4733 ? naked on a quad [16:23]
mircea_popescu here, just for error4733, a gif of my workplace http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13606663711.gif [16:23]
error4733 hehe i'm green on the map ! i knew it ! never listen a girl [16:24]
ThickAsThieves portugal is oddly absent [16:24]
mircea_popescu lol [16:25]
error4733 to much fur [16:25]
ThickAsThieves lol [16:25]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.009999 = 0.07 BTC [-] [16:26]
ThickAsThieves where's the chart for vagina depth? [16:27]
ThickAsThieves :) [16:27]
pgp and the subsequently overlay for delta values... that's the REAL data [16:28]
mircea_popescu believe it or not i actually have an article about this. [16:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] [16:29]
taub why does anyone think mp is a girl? [16:29]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/statistica-matematica-cu-numere/ it's in romanian, but the numbers you can get. [16:30]
mircea_popescu ~120 mn kms of unused cunt in the world because of the delta. [16:30]
ThickAsThieves mp, if there is something you DON'T hace an article about, you're probably writing it now [16:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves just as soon as i figure it out yeah. [16:30]
taub france is high bc they ahve lots of blacks there [16:30]
mircea_popescu france always cheats. [16:30]
ThickAsThieves "As average vagina has a depth of 18 inches also result there globally about 120 million kilometers from unused pussy (taking round female population as 4 billion)." [16:31]
ThickAsThieves priceless [16:31]
pgp lol [16:31]
mircea_popescu actually, [16:31]
mircea_popescu Adaugind toate astea rezulta ca pizda medie parcurge 10.8 metri per futai, in medieii. Cum un an are 12 luni rezulta ca intr-o viata (de 70 de ani) pizda medie parcurge-n pula 9.07 kilometri in decursul vietii ei. Cum ejacularea medie are cam doi mililitri rezulta ca pizda medie scoate o economie de 18.5 litri la suta de kmiii ceea ce-i de altfel destul de ineficient. Pe de alta parte emisiile nu polueaza (ci sunt chia [16:31]
mircea_popescu r opusul polutiei). [16:31]
mircea_popescu which says [16:32]
mircea_popescu "adding it all up, the average cunny rides about 10.8 meters per fucking. since a year is 12 months long it comes to a lifetime's worth of riding being about 9.07kms. [16:32]
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mircea_popescu since the average cum is ~2ml, the average cunt runs on 18.5 liters / 100km efficiency, which isn't so very great. on the other hand emission doesn't pollute, being the exact opposite of pollution. [16:33]
mircea_popescu there be great power in statistex [16:33]
taub nasty... [16:34]
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mircea_popescu aww [16:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.839 BTC [+] [16:38]
deadweasel https://coinbr.com/ref?c=294TNRz1oP [16:40]
deadweasel coinbr is good too. [16:40]
deadweasel oops, 8 pages in scrollback [16:40]
deadweasel good morning all! [16:40]
kakobrekla hehe [16:41]
kakobrekla heya [16:41]
mircea_popescu lol hi [16:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17235 @ 0.00071053 = 12.246 BTC [+] [16:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00071481 = 9.8286 BTC [+] [16:42]
deadweasel wow, I now know what the average cunt runs on. thanks mp. [16:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150 @ 0.00071749 = 0.1076 BTC [+] [16:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4504 @ 0.00071817 = 3.2346 BTC [+] [16:42]
deadweasel so should be riding my gf to work? [16:43]
kakobrekla on your dick yea [16:43]
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mircea_popescu either riding her to work or work on riding her works. [16:43]
deadweasel excellent. mileage may vary. [16:45]
Diablo-D3 http://qz.com/74137/six-reasons-why-chinese-people-will-drive-the-next-bull-market-in-bitcoin/ [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 80000 @ 0.00175 = 140 BTC [-] [16:58]
ThickAsThieves lotsa bitbet [16:59]
mircea_popescu o hey [17:01]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.bbet [17:01]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175 / 0.00175 (80000 shares, 14.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00079521 / 0.00173463 / 0.00199999 (110792 shares, 192.18 BTC), 30D: 0.00050015 / 0.00181392 / 0.00201401 (187840 shares, 340.73 BTC) [17:01]
mircea_popescu um [17:01]
mircea_popescu $vwap s.bbet [17:02]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00175 high: 0.00175 low: 0.00175 volume: 80000 btc: 140.0 7 day: average: 0.00173464 high: 0.00199999 low: 0.00079521 volume: 110792 btc: 192.18398032 30 day: average: 0.00181392 high: 0.00201401 low: 0.00050015 volume: 187840 btc: 340.72766482 [17:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ bug in assbot ?! [17:02]
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mircea_popescu Rio Tinto’s Kennecott mine in Utah- the US’ 2nd largest silver mine and world’s largest copper mine has just suffered a massive landslide which will likely shut down production at the mine for years as upwards of 1 billion tons of dirt and ore have collapsed into the basin. [17:03]
ThickAsThieves usagi wins [17:04]
mircea_popescu thats like 4mn oz of silver a year [17:04]
mircea_popescu http://www.flickr.com/photos/riotinto-kennecottutahcopper/8644405476/sizes/z/in/photostream/ [17:05]
mircea_popescu pretty cool pix [17:05]
ThickAsThieves wow that is cool [17:07]
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error4733 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSu5Yyc1bEM [17:11]
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error4733 The only working product in this video is the laser engraver...? [17:11]
error4733 " " [17:11]
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ThickAsThieves vid looks like it was made in 1995 [17:17]
pgp i think that the last 12 hours has been the first period of time since bitcoin started to dive that we haven't had any significant lag... [17:19]
pgp hooray for fee reinstatement! [17:19]
ThickAsThieves it seemed to be fixed before the fees [17:20]
pgp ? [17:20]
ThickAsThieves i recall trading briskly for an hour or so and then being like wtf, fees? [17:20]
pgp http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/lag/ [17:20]
error4733 they crash the market to cover news servers cost :) [17:21]
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pgp lol [17:21]
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pgp the real improvement will come on apr 17th when the get rid of unfunded orders.. [17:22]
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taub yep i dont know why they take so long to do that [17:22]
ThickAsThieves the feature will be missed [17:22]
error4733 give time to ppl to found account [17:22]
ThickAsThieves would be nice to have a triggered order feature [17:23]
pgp it is interesting to note, though, that if they had a scaleable matching engine, lower fees would definately result in more volume... [17:23]
taub lots of competition emerging, i dont think mtgox will be really around after 2013 [17:23]
taub around, but not #1 [17:24]
pgp RIP [17:24]
pgp taub - what is the most credible solution/future competition you've heard about [17:24]
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pgp 'cuz although I see more competitors coming to the table, I haven't heard of anything that compelling... [17:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09611 BTC [-] [17:26]
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error4733 pgp http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c7v6z/buttercoin_open_source_highperformance_bitcoin/ [17:26]
taub yea buttercoin, kraken, whatever max keiser is cooking up [17:27]
taub that exchange franchising business [17:28]
taub where you can rent software [17:28]
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JWU42 didn't rg "run" BitVPS and was responsible for the listing on MPeX? [17:29]
pgp yeah - ok - nothing I haven't heard about... none of these approaches seem very convincing to me... [17:30]
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b0n1 is there someone who runs a bot on bitcoin-central? [17:35]
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b0n1 i cant manage the oauth2 verification, even if i run the exact same code that is in their example [17:36]
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KRS1 what docs u looking at [17:39]
error4733 bitcoin-central ? try bitcoinica ! [17:43]
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Diablo-D3 error4733: hurr [17:47]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [17:54]
gribble 63526.5311894 [17:54]
ThickAsThieves 5000 gone in a week [17:55]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.0135 = 0.0675 BTC [-] [18:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.014 = 0.07 BTC [+] [18:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.441 BTC [-] [18:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+] [18:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.1019 = 0.6114 BTC [+] [18:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.16 BTC [+] [18:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+] [18:08]
error4733 same % of new account provide paper for verifiaction, that what they say when some ppl ask the same question as you ! [18:08]
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TheMonarchTx do accounts need to be verified before they can send API calls? [18:10]
TheMonarchTx or do you only need to verify to withdraw funds? [18:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.16 BTC [+] [18:12]
b0n1 KRS1, i look at the official API doc from the homepage of bitcoin central [18:12]
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b0n1 https://github.com/paytunia/api-documentation [18:13]
error4733 dunno, but speculate on mtgox improvement before they happen is just... useless!? [18:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8433 BTC [+] [18:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.8433 = 4.2165 BTC [+] [18:13]
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b0n1 KRS1, directly under Full usage example i used the ruby gem code [18:16]
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b0n1 it works all find at first and get the url for the authorization code, on token.get i get an empty boday [18:17]
b0n1 body [18:17]
error4733 my guess is they change a lot last week [18:19]
error4733 with the secuity breach, maybe githud is not updated yet [18:19]
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b0n1 hm k, but isnt someone here running a bot on bitcoin central? [18:20]
KRS1 ok hmm [18:22]
KRS1 do u have the gems u need [18:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 50 @ 0.2 = 10 BTC [+] [18:23]
b0n1 i think so [18:24]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+] [18:25]
b0n1 or which one do you mean? [18:25]
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b0n1 KRS1, ? [18:30]
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error4733 ;;eightball can we trust bitcoin-central ? [18:38]
gribble One would be wise to think so. [18:38]
b0n1 ;;nethash [18:39]
gribble 63526.5311894 [18:39]
b0n1 ;;eightball can we trust mtgox ? [18:41]
gribble No clue. [18:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00070057 = 14.1865 BTC [-] [18:48]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-] [18:53]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [19:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00070585 = 3.494 BTC [+] [19:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00071043 = 5.8966 BTC [+] [19:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.441 = 0.882 BTC [-] [19:20]
thestringpuller ;;seen ThickAsThieves [19:22]
gribble ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: 5000 gone in a week [19:22]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [19:22]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [19:22]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: why does usagi win? [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9854 @ 0.00071437 = 7.0394 BTC [+] [19:23]
Bugpowder ;;bids 0 [19:23]
gribble There are currently 44183451 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14395071.0479 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0215 seconds [19:23]
ThickAsThieves because he deals in silver [19:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-] [19:23]
ThickAsThieves and now there is way less getting mined [19:23]
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ThickAsThieves Bugpowder whatchoo think about current price [19:23]
Bugpowder It's 100 [19:24]
Bugpowder as expected [19:24]
error4733 i quote the 30$ pronostic [19:24]
error4733 ;) [19:24]
ThickAsThieves i'm thinking a rally tonight and tomorrow [19:24]
Bugpowder quote the $100 prognositc [19:24]
Bugpowder 30 is a 3 month price target [19:24]
Bugpowder wobble around 100, then a slow fade over the next 2 months [19:25]
ThickAsThieves last night someone was maintaining a 7k btc floor for a long time [19:25]
ThickAsThieves at 100 [19:25]
error4733 so you short all your btc ? [19:25]
Bugpowder nope [19:25]
error4733 the 30% remaning [19:25]
Bugpowder I cashed 70% [19:25]
Bugpowder the 30% I hold [19:25]
Bugpowder I mean, my deep analysis is based on lining up the last bubble chart to this one [19:25]
Bugpowder so... [19:25]
error4733 yes i saw this pic... [19:26]
Bugpowder not a lot of confidence there :) [19:26]
error4733 bearish pic [19:26]
Bugpowder I don't really have a great idea of where its going, but the past bubble pattern has me worried [19:26]
error4733 how can u compar 2 different event ? [19:26]
Bugpowder they were both bubbles [19:26]
error4733 same crash but totally different context [19:26]
Bugpowder yes but similar patterns happen all the time [19:27]
Bugpowder the ripple following a sharp move [19:27]
Bugpowder for example [19:27]
Bugpowder happens every time [19:27]
Bugpowder I don't know where it is going [19:27]
Bugpowder My feeling is that the EV on the 3 month timescale, if you were long BTC at this price, is negative [19:28]
Bugpowder on the 3 year timescale, positive [19:28]
b0n1 where can i short btcs? [19:28]
Bugpowder I have bids starting at 52 and going down to 13. [19:28]
Bugpowder borrow some btc from bakewelll [19:29]
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error4733 bakewell haha, any news ? didn't follow [19:29]
error4733 he'll be happy to read you [19:30]
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thestringpuller Bugpowder: the times change though. 100 could be the actual price [19:30]
Bugpowder sure [19:30]
thestringpuller anything below could be cheap coins [19:30]
Bugpowder could be [19:30]
thestringpuller If someone competent arrives to the game the price will rise again [19:30]
error4733 that my mojo : any coin under 100 its cheap ! [19:30]
Bugpowder I think it will get cheaper though [19:30]
Bugpowder you want to buy the bottom [19:30]
Bugpowder not halfway down [19:30]
thestringpuller Yea but what if that never occurs because someone arrives to the game. [19:31]
thestringpuller Sets up shop like a mobster. [19:31]
Bugpowder then you miss out [19:31]
thestringpuller If I were a hedgefund manager and saw all this news I would rush to btc world due to lack of regulation. [19:31]
Bugpowder hence I'm keeping 30% in btc [19:31]
Bugpowder Making money was easy on the way up the bubble [19:32]
Bugpowder now its going to get tougher for a while [19:32]
b0n1 isnt bakewell scam? [19:33]
error4733 time will say ;) we just need a good news, that it [19:33]
error4733 short 600btc @35$ is a scam ? :D [19:33]
Bugpowder yes bake well scammed [19:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4480 @ 0.00071817 = 3.2174 BTC [+] [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00072046 = 6.4654 BTC [+] [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1596 @ 0.0007217 = 1.1518 BTC [+] [19:35]
thestringpuller Bugpowder: why do you think MPOE stock is skyrocketing today? [19:35]
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Bugpowder mp turned the S.MPOE buying bot back on ;-) [19:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 549 @ 0.00071437 = 0.3922 BTC [-] [19:36]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:36]
Bugpowder is it skyrocketing? [19:36]
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thestringpuller !ticker m S.MPOE [19:41]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068596 / 0.00070525 / 0.000735 (444127 shares, 313.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00069453 / 0.000735 (2621860 shares, 1,820.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068957 / 0.00077505 (10865175 shares, 7,492.41 BTC) [19:41]
thestringpuller Bugpowder: it crashed after March no? [19:41]
Bugpowder .006 [19:41]
Bugpowder .0006 [19:41]
thestringpuller yea that was pretty low [19:42]
thestringpuller do you think bondholders are going to keep their money this time lol? [19:42]
Bugpowder usually a good idea to buy at .0006 [19:42]
kakobrekla Bugpowder, speaking of bubble, imho this one was 4times smaller [19:42]
thestringpuller than 2011? [19:42]
kakobrekla yes [19:42]
Bugpowder how so? [19:42]
thestringpuller 2011 was 30 -> 5 [19:42]
Bugpowder what is the baseline [19:42]
kakobrekla http://smpake.com/etc/btc/ [19:43]
thestringpuller so its about 6 times lostt in value [19:43]
Bugpowder 2011 was 33->2 [19:43]
Bugpowder 93% loss [19:43]
Bugpowder ;;calc 266/33*2 [19:43]
gribble 16.1212121212 [19:43]
kakobrekla and that chart uses weighted daily price [19:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+] [19:43]
thestringpuller What's the deal with ASICMINER did they announce new divs? [19:44]
thestringpuller I feel so behind in asset world [19:44]
kakobrekla at the current diff the bottom would be 50 (0.2 mhash per 100 around) [19:44]
ThickAsThieves they previewed their new usb miner [19:45]
thestringpuller could you rephrase kakobrekla ? [19:45]
kakobrekla hm? [19:45]
kakobrekla whats not clear? [19:45]
thestringpuller are you saying miners need 50usd / coin? [19:45]
Bugpowder well I would say, 16.1212 is the bottom [19:45]
thestringpuller to operate? [19:45]
Bugpowder which is basically the price when the bubble started to inflate [19:46]
kakobrekla im saying so far in these years [19:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+] [19:46]
kakobrekla 0.2 was the bottom support [19:46]
kakobrekla which i expect to slowly getting lower since asic [19:46]
kakobrekla but that means half a year or so [19:46]
kakobrekla even with the block reward halving [19:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+] [19:47]
kakobrekla bottom was 0.2 and it picked up from there rather quickly [19:47]
kakobrekla look we are all speculating here [19:48]
kakobrekla mostly [19:48]
kakobrekla but imho this should be concireder [19:49]
kakobrekla d [19:49]
unbalanced_ Bug, re your ideas for the fiat portfolio yesterday, have you considered sticking to options on other asset classes rather than EFTs / funds / stocks? E.g. 80-90% treasuries 10%-20% at risk in 10-40 small longshot speculations per year? [19:50]
Bugpowder So if diff doubles... [19:50]
unbalanced_ Taleb's barbell risk strategy [19:50]
Bugpowder it's an interesting idea [19:50]
Bugpowder but I'm pretty vanilla in my investments outside of bitcoin [19:50]
Bugpowder also treasuries are pretty dangerous right now [19:51]
unbalanced_ It has the advantage of avoiding the fact that in a bear market / crisis, all asset classes are suddenly highly correlated in a rush to liquidity. [19:51]
unbalanced_ Yes I wouldn't touch 'em but here in Canada I use vanilla "high interest" savings accounts or money market funds for that portion. [19:51]
Bugpowder the danger is interest rate risk [19:52]
Bugpowder if you are doing 2 year T Bills or shorter term, very little risk [19:52]
Bugpowder but also, very little interest rate [19:52]
unbalanced_ If you mean your return on 80% of your portfolio may not keep up with inflation, my position on that is: who cares? The longshot options in the other 10-20%, the at risk portion of the portfolio, are what will provide portfolio return. [19:53]
Bugpowder I should probably read that book [19:53]
Bugpowder what are the long shots though? [19:54]
unbalanced_ Max downdraft in any one year, no matter what happens, is the amount in your Risk On slice, if every one of the 40 positions you take turns out to lose 100%. [19:54]
unbalanced_ Out of the money options. Black Swans. [19:54]
unbalanced_ E.g. Apple in January, Amazon shortly after, that MLM company Ackman and Icahn are fighting over [19:55]
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unbalanced_ I'm not a big believer in Modern Portfolio Theory after 2008. [19:56]
unbalanced_ I was in this strategy then and the portfolio was horizontal when all the world was crashing around us. [19:57]
Diablo-D3 nothing trumps common sense [19:57]
Diablo-D3 never invest in things you dont understand [19:57]
Bugpowder Here is my target allocations [19:58]
Bugpowder http://imgur.com/ZBAoEdq [19:58]
Bugpowder I don't try picking any stocks [19:58]
unbalanced_ Herbalife, that's the one I was thinking of: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=HLF ... incredible volatility as the giants duked it out and tried to screw each other over. [19:59]
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unbalanced_ Right, but with options you take synthetic positions, e.g. straddles and strangles. You're already doing it here. [19:59]
Bugpowder I did a fair amount of options trading in 0708 [20:00]
unbalanced_ Pick a company that could have drama in the next 90 days: earnings at risk, ridiculously overvalued or undervalued. [20:00]
Bugpowder was exciting [20:00]
Bugpowder yeah but after earnings the volatility premium suddenly drops [20:00]
Bugpowder makes it tough [20:00]
Bugpowder I had huge account swings with options trading [20:01]
Bugpowder finally blew the account up [20:01]
unbalanced_ Yes you have to assume you will lose 100% on a trade if you are wrong and restrict your bet size accordingly. [20:01]
Bugpowder So I quit [20:01]
Bugpowder and now I just do vanilla [20:01]
Bugpowder and I'm averaging a 7.5% return [20:01]
Bugpowder over the last 5 years [20:01]
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Bugpowder not spectaular but not bad. [20:01]
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unbalanced_ Change that chart to CROX weekly and check out 2011: it was priced on earnings expectations that would have meant that every shoe sold in the US would be a Croc for the next N years. Bubble, had to pop. [20:02]
unbalanced_ Buy a few puts with a long enough time horizon to be right, and then wait. [20:02]
Bugpowder getting the timing is very tough [20:02]
unbalanced_ Agreed... I've been early and I've been late. [20:03]
thestringpuller Bugpowder: never try to time the market [20:04]
unbalanced_ Taleb says it's like a thousand little paper cuts. A bunch of little ouches but you never "blow up" and lose too much. [20:04]
Bugpowder I think its a very reasonable strat [20:05]
Bugpowder more timeconsuming though [20:05]
Bugpowder I just fire and forget, trying to keep my target distributions correct without selling [20:05]
unbalanced_ I tend to put on one new trade a month when a situation comes to light. Some have a 1-year time horizon, some are 1-mo. [20:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00070057 = 3.1175 BTC [-] [20:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00069248 = 5.1244 BTC [-] [20:05]
Bugpowder and update the targets every 3-5 years [20:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00068596 = 1.1318 BTC [-] [20:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+] [20:06]
unbalanced_ With Herbalife I missed it by a day. Formulated a strategy one night, was eating breakfast the next AM and the situation happened pre-market. [20:06]
unbalanced_ I almost spit out my Cheerios. [20:07]
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unbalanced_ I did a write up, I'll have to get a blog up and post it. [20:07]
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unbalanced_ I better get back to programming. Got to make a living or I'll have nothing to trade with! [20:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00328066 = 0.8202 BTC [-] [20:09]
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Bugpowder COOL! [20:15]
Bugpowder mtgox counted all my trades during the 0 fee time towards my 30day volume [20:15]
taub this lack of volatility is boring [20:16]
error4733 its a shame i'll send a ticket to support now [20:16]
taub are you at the max now bug? [20:16]
Bugpowder 0.4% :) [20:16]
taub 2k for me [20:16]
taub 0.34 [20:16]
Bugpowder I should have made some more trades! [20:16]
taub 0.43 [20:16]
Bugpowder I could have made 0.3 [20:17]
taub wish they would allow like special deals for 0%... [20:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2926 @ 0.00328066 = 9.5992 BTC [-] [20:20]
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Bugpowder nice [20:28]
Bugpowder bitcoinity added historical spread [20:28]
Bugpowder on the plot [20:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [-] [20:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00070089 = 7.9901 BTC [+] [20:37]
deadweasel nice! [20:39]
deadweasel i'm not sure how to read the green and red on the top graph [20:40]
deadweasel hell, or even the bottom. :/ [20:40]
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error4733 green was the buying price red the selling price yellow ligne is average bottom is wall with all btc asked (green) or open for sale ((rede) [20:44]
BitHub so the aim of this game is buy low and sell high to the next lot of buyers and give yourself a golden parachute all the way down to 50? [20:44]
deadweasel error, awesome, thank you! [20:45]
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deadweasel BitHub: sounds like a good game. [20:45]
BitHub yep [20:45]
error4733 Do you miss the top ? ;) [20:46]
BitHub ? [20:47]
BitHub i'm pushing for single digi's [20:47]
deadweasel http://bitcoin.speedstats.org/ this might be helpful when you have to move btc quickly... [20:48]
BitHub i stopped buying when it went over 100 beause it was just a scam [20:48]
error4733 i burn a candle every night on my satoshi's temple for this too [20:48]
deadweasel ya, i stopped at 62 [20:48]
BitHub liking this 100 tho [20:48]
deadweasel i expect it to drop over the next couple of weeks... but it's possible half of that incoming capital was stopped by the goxfail. maybe they buy in next few weeks? [20:49]
BitHub what assets are you feeling? [20:50]
BitHub i only like asicminer [20:50]
error4733 i'm not sur about the new 150000 account open in mtgox since 2013, if they bought 1btc each :troll: [20:50]
deadweasel they couldn't verify that many in 3 months if their lives depended on it. [20:51]
damientrog I don't understand the Asicminer hype, sure the dividends are high, but it will devaluate very quickly [20:51]
BitHub trying to scout some ipo's but jeeez seems like every asset popping up lately is just scammy [20:51]
deadweasel yeah, it's overpriced. [20:51]
deadweasel stick with the winners, sdice rallied a bit... where is it now? [20:51]
deadweasel not that sdice is a winner... lol. [20:51]
ThickAsThieves sdice is still up [20:52]
ThickAsThieves going up more too [20:52]
BitHub heh yeah i was going to say [20:52]
error4733 with ASCM you bought also next gen of asci [20:52]
damientrog I thought you only bought shares into that 1 machine [20:53]
BitHub have you noticed alot of miners trying to offload their asic preorders lately? [20:53]
error4733 do u see this cute usb dongle ? [20:53]
damientrog not in the company [20:53]
BitHub error4733 i want to order 100 :P [20:53]
error4733 same [20:53]
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error4733 TAKE MY MONEY was my first react [20:53]
ThickAsThieves with AM you buy Friedcat, arguably the most motivated btc business manager for a public company [20:53]
BitHub SHUT UP AND TAKE MY BITCOIN [20:53]
BitHub and the only company that doesn't seem to be a complete scam [20:54]
error4733 damien : no you bought a part of any hash ASCM put in network [20:54]
BitHub which is very refreshing [20:54]
error4733 they work already on next gen [20:54]
BitHub error might wait on their bigboy instead of usd thingy's [20:54]
ThickAsThieves keep in mind that if the gloom and doom everyone is predicting happens [20:55]
ThickAsThieves stock values will skyrocket [20:55]
deadweasel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5WQLMwHHk <---- lame but hilarious remake of the annoyed goat/sheep/antelope thing. [20:55]
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BitHub heh [20:55]
damientrog ah, must've misread that somewhere [20:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8499 BTC [-] [20:55]
BitHub anyone selling any via friendcat? [20:55]
BitHub not a pt [20:56]
error4733 double check, maybe it's me [20:56]
damientrog I'm double checking, but can't find that clause anymore [20:56]
mircea_popescu b0n1 probably should chat davout up. [20:57]
BitHub deadweasel someone needs to do some subs of that german kid raging at his computer [20:57]
ThickAsThieves ;;tslb [20:57]
gribble Time since last block: 13 minutes and 43 seconds [20:57]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [20:57]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 8961787.72453 based on data since last change | 8940745.26815 based on data for last three days [20:57]
deadweasel i haven't seen that one. [20:57]
damientrog I must be mistaken, seems like a good deal then [20:57]
deadweasel http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/09/coinsetter-lands-500k-from-secondmarket-founder-others-to-help-bring-leverage-shorting-to-bitcoin-trade/ [20:57]
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deadweasel coinsetter? [20:57]
error4733 wait, i look for a link ;) [20:58]
BitHub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QxLpS3aIM [20:58]
BitHub i was raging hard like that at one point [20:58]
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BitHub i might put something together [20:59]
BitHub fire up teh old avid [20:59]
BitHub loling hard just thinking about it [20:59]
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mircea_popescu deadweasel the hype machine. i [21:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8214 BTC [-] [21:00]
mircea_popescu 'm waiting foer the day when "the press" goes "everyone who listened to us got fucked for a slice of ~20 mn in the btc market" [21:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8213 BTC [-] [21:00]
mircea_popescu "because that's what we do : we cost you money" [21:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8212 BTC [-] [21:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.821 = 2.463 BTC [-] [21:01]
deadweasel hehe, it will come. [21:01]
BitHub mircea fox news said you jumped from a window when it hit 50 [21:01]
mircea_popescu right. [21:01]
mircea_popescu because fox news knows. [21:01]
BitHub trying to cause a media panic [21:01]
error4733 damientrog :long term: company will ensure profitable operation and moving forward to next gen ASICs. Each share is entitled for 1/400'000 of company lifetime profits. [21:02]
mircea_popescu this bets of bitcoin twitter account keeps following me like weekly on twitter. [21:02]
mircea_popescu fucking bs. [21:02]
damientrog thanks for clearing that up for me error4733 [21:02]
mircea_popescu damientrog it's a gamble on the proposition "Everyone else will be more inept than them". [21:03]
error4733 it was a good deal at 0.1btc/15$ [21:03]
mircea_popescu sure, normally they'd fade. still, it's been 9 months and still no actual asics. [21:03]
damientrog besides Avalons [21:03]
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mircea_popescu no. avalons don't count. [21:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00418 BTC [+] [21:03]
mircea_popescu it's a limited volume private run. [21:03]
damientrog how so? [21:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00418 BTC [+] [21:03]
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mircea_popescu "asics" means, we will sell you ANY QTY as long as you pay within 60 days of ordering. [21:03]
error4733 0.8btc/250$ calcul is different but still god for what i can read [21:03]
mircea_popescu tjhat's what supply means. [21:04]
mircea_popescu if i want to buy memory chips I can buy 1mn, 100mn or 1 trn chips. [21:04]
damientrog I see your point [21:04]
mircea_popescu fact that some guy is making 300 units for his friends./whatever... hardly count in a market sense. [21:04]
damientrog then they're indeed the only one [21:04]
damientrog well I bought 6 Avalons [21:05]
mircea_popescu yea but still. [21:05]
damientrog anxiously awaiting them [21:05]
error4733 ... fucking lucker :) bash #2 ? [21:05]
damientrog #3 [21:05]
mircea_popescu heh. [21:05]
error4733 sorry for your loss [21:05]
mircea_popescu you've not bought anything imo. maybe lottery tickets. [21:05]
damientrog I know [21:05]
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damientrog it's not my only investment [21:06]
mircea_popescu a, yea. not impugning uyou, just sdayin' [21:06]
damientrog whole BTC is one big gamble [21:06]
mircea_popescu from a macro perspective exactly. [21:06]
error4733 avalon show before they have the gift for every ticket #1 [21:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+] [21:06]
error4733 yes [21:06]
error4733 that my point 2 week ago, asking myself if i want sold some btc [21:07]
error4733 every btc is a lotery ticket [21:07]
error4733 nobody know how much you can win with [21:07]
damientrog I've cashed out more than I invested + have more BTC than before, so it's all fun and games for me [21:08]
damientrog but I don't think many people are in that situation [21:08]
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error4733 10%, the average for sup IQ [21:09]
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error4733 FML :/ [21:09]
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deadweasel if you do get it error4733 you could sell for btc when btc is at 30 (probably when it arrives at your door). [21:10]
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mircea_popescu @ericschmidt For every person online, there are two who are not. By the end of the decade, everyone on Earth will be connected. #NewDigitalAge [21:13]
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error4733 Neither AValon nor BFL, to late for me... [21:13]
mircea_popescu Mircea_Popescu @ericschmidt For every softie that thinks "every person counts" there's ten hardies that disagree. #NewWorldWar [21:13]
mircea_popescu curious what he says to that heh. [21:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00068596 = 11.3904 BTC [-] [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2651 @ 0.00068593 = 1.8184 BTC [-] [21:19]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.01 = 2 BTC [+] [21:36]
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mircea_popescu "made from pickled herring" ? [21:38]
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unkown247 hi [21:39]
mircea_popescu hello [21:39]
unkown247 how are you ? [21:39]
jurov hi. lol, does not taste like herring [21:39]
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jurov really yummy [21:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 61 @ 0.01 = 0.61 BTC [+] [21:40]
unkown247 Can I ask in here ? [21:40]
jurov unkown247, it depends. just try to ask. [21:40]
exfortuna hey guys, I'm doing a regression analysis on bitcoin for an econ class, I'm wondering if anyone can point in the right direction for data [21:40]
mircea_popescu jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WO73Dh7rY [21:40]
mircea_popescu for the inside of that joke [21:40]
unkown247 how to buy bitcoin [21:40]
unkown247 ? [21:40]
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mircea_popescu unkown247 this is the #bitcoin-assets chan. we're stock brokers etc here. [21:41]
mircea_popescu try #bitcoin-otc for that. [21:41]
unkown247 ok [21:41]
unkown247 do u mean that u buy and u sell bitcoin ? [21:41]
mircea_popescu exfortuna tried bitcoincharts ? [21:41]
mircea_popescu unkown247 no. bitcoin-denominated securities such as shares, options etc. [21:42]
unkown247 ok I got it [21:42]
unkown247 thanks [21:42]
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Bugpowder http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/ [21:42]
jurov sry, i never get any inside jokes related to unsubtitled comedy [21:45]
jurov and youtube "automatic subtitles" are a joke [21:45]
exfortuna negative, I'll google that now thanks [21:45]
BitHub heh stock brokers [21:46]
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jurov ;;seen smickles [21:46]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [21:46]
BitHub bit brokers? [21:46]
jurov seems the attrition rate is really high [21:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+] [21:49]
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mircea_popescu jurov ok let's see if this exists [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40789998 BTC [+] [21:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.40789999 = 1.6316 BTC [+] [21:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+] [21:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40789999 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8499 = 2.5497 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+] [21:53]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00419 BTC [+] [21:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+] [21:56]
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mircea_popescu jurov seems it doesn't exist. pity. [21:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 29 @ 0.00419 = 0.1215 BTC [+] [21:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00449 = 0.0449 BTC [+] [21:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.004499 = 0.054 BTC [+] [21:57]
jurov *shrug* *smile* [21:58]
BitHub wish some new asset exchanges would pop up [21:59]
BitHub what's havelock like? [21:59]
mircea_popescu lol over 100k google translate requests for trilema this month. [22:00]
mircea_popescu i hope the readers are enjoying gt's humour [22:00]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.0045 = 0.027 BTC [+] [22:01]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu how have you been? [22:11]
mircea_popescu not bad. [22:11]
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deadweasel what's your expectation in the coming months? slow leak to $30 mimicking 2011 post bubble plateau? or do we go up again immediately? [22:14]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128227433695.jpg wouldn't it kick ass if that was Bitcoin branded ? [22:15]
mircea_popescu deadweasel 100 to 130. [22:15]
deadweasel those are great tits. [22:15]
deadweasel but i bet she gives terrible head [22:15]
deadweasel you think we've stopped here for the moment then? [22:15]
mircea_popescu kinda. [22:16]
deadweasel never can tell. i hope it calms the fuck down for a while. [22:17]
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taub mc you are mpoe-pr right? [22:17]
taub mp* [22:17]
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taub why do you pretend to be a girl [22:17]
jurov lol seems the btctalk trolling has deep roots [22:18]
deadweasel insulating himself probably. i would. plus tits go a long way in the forum. [22:18]
jurov why it is so unbelievable for mp to have female assistant? [22:18]
deadweasel haha [22:18]
mircea_popescu taub nope. [22:18]
deadweasel http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128227433695.jpg , that's her, he's about to brand her lip plate with a CC. [22:18]
mircea_popescu jurov possibly because nobody on the interwebs knows any girls ? [22:19]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu question about bitbet, would you guys allow for franchising? [22:19]
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thestringpuller like github [22:20]
FabianB_ ;;next [22:20]
gribble awaiting breakout: http://bit.ly/Ynx3uT | targets: 106, 113, 124, 130 on the upside | support: 100, 98, 92, 87-88 | resistance: 102.5, 105, 110 | lowball buy target: 74-75 | strong rally sell target: 138-148 | updated by OneFixt ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | trade at your own risk, this is not investment or trading advice | 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 9 seconds [22:20]
taub why dont you post yoruself on btctalk? [22:20]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller specifically ? [22:20]
mircea_popescu taub i don't have the time/patience/interest. [22:20]
taub FabianB_: lol who's giving that analysis [22:21]
jurov taub, i'd avoid dealing with btctalk personally too, if i could [22:21]
taub all those lines, seem a bit overkill [22:21]
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FabianB_ taub: OneFixt [22:21]
OneFixt taub: hah yes they are, sorry, had some old lines on there; watching the yellow trinagle [22:21]
OneFixt triangle [22:21]
taub i tried a little long from 100 to 104 and 107, but price wouldnt take off so i exited b/e [22:22]
taub no point in trying to trade when price doesnt move [22:22]
OneFixt same, exited in the 100s, bought in under 100, then we consolidated [22:22]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 25 @ 0.2 = 5 BTC [+] [22:24]
thestringpuller I want to run a bookie service for my town, local bets and shit. [22:24]
thestringpuller I could make a bitbet bet but then it really has no point [22:24]
jurov bribe kakobrekla to make you branded copy of bitbet [22:25]
thestringpuller 1 bn bitcoins enough for you :P [22:25]
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jurov srsly, you're making me an offer? [22:26]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i still don't ghet it. [22:26]
jurov =) [22:26]
mircea_popescu so you put your own bets, promote them among friends or w/e [22:26]
mircea_popescu how's this different from everyone else using bitbet ? [22:26]
mircea_popescu what's not to allow ? [22:26]
thestringpuller Uh you have to approve the bets, and you'll be like "wtf is this bet about who can chug hot sauce and not die" [22:27]
mircea_popescu zeroconf it. [22:28]
thestringpuller zeroconf? [22:28]
mircea_popescu send a bet along with your bet. [22:28]
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thestringpuller I didn't expect you to be so reasonable :P [22:28]
mircea_popescu lol [22:29]
mircea_popescu but seriously, you get a little "send a bet" option as you make a new proposition. [22:29]
mircea_popescu if you send nothing mods are meh, random shit. [22:29]
mircea_popescu if you send sometyhing you're more likely to get "a, somebody wants this, ok". [22:29]
thestringpuller sounds reasonable, i didn't know if you were opposed to people setting up rackets using bitbet [22:29]
mircea_popescu bets with nothing on have to be judged as cool enough. bets with a decent something on just have not to suck, different standard. [22:30]
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mircea_popescu well thestringpuller, more generally, everything i do is to help people start their own rackets. [22:30]
mircea_popescu sometimes even against their will. [22:30]
thestringpuller ... [22:30]
mircea_popescu also, shoes : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/131722396096.jpg [22:31]
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thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [22:43]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, and 29 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [22:43]
dub ;;whatis next [22:43]
gribble Error: No factoid matches that key. [22:43]
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jurov thestringpuller, i remember that comics where a dog sitting before door is drawn "intently staring at the door makes the master manifest" [22:44]
thestringpuller So Fry's dog from Futurama? Not so much. smickles is too busy playing kerbal space program and submitting taxes for probably 4mn people in btc due to tax day being tomorrow [22:45]
error4733 ;eightball will this week be epic ? [22:47]
error4733 ;;eightball will this week be epic ? [22:47]
gribble Obviously. [22:47]
thestringpuller ;;eightball will smickles be back after tax day? [22:47]
gribble It shall be. [22:47]
thestringpuller I'm holding you to that eight ball :P [22:47]
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Scrat ;;eightball tank please [22:50]
gribble Maybe... [22:50]
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BitHub how much of a shoot up we looking at? [22:54]
BitHub 108? [22:54]
BitHub cmon touch on 95, get away from it genbtc [22:55]
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deadweasel ;;ticker [22:57]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.99000, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 95.00000, 24 hour volume: 164410.66775422, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.95551 [22:57]
taub http://www.firstnationalib.com/contact [22:58]
taub those pics [22:58]
taub looks legit! [22:58]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/thumb/133180234433s.jpg lol [22:59]
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taub whos posting on that imageboard... D: [23:01]
taub is it just you? [23:01]
mircea_popescu i pretty much never do [23:05]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:10]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.47845, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.52155, Last trade: 95.00000, 24 hour volume: 167103.13362195, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.87456 [23:10]
thestringpuller ;;bids 90 [23:10]
gribble There are currently 4955.5944 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 450788.933529 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0037 seconds [23:10]
thestringpuller ;;asks 100 [23:10]
gribble There are currently 1289.1968 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 126526.009402 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.3216 seconds [23:10]
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Scrat ;;ticker --last [23:15]
gribble 92.02000 [23:15]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:20]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 95.40000, Best ask: 95.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.59999, Last trade: 96.00000, 24 hour volume: 169521.80213052, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.79745 [23:20]
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wao ;;goxlag [23:24]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.046827 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00209782958714 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). [23:24]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:25]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.90001, Best ask: 92.95570, Bid-ask spread: 0.05569, Last trade: 92.95570, 24 hour volume: 169543.27943456, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.78371 [23:25]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:26]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.00000, Best ask: 93.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 93.35000, 24 hour volume: 170955.66962554, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.73499 [23:26]
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ThickAsThieves nice little rollercoaster ride [23:35]
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c1n0 yep [23:37]
c1n0 riding it [23:37]
error4733 ;;ticker [23:38]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.90001, Best ask: 97.95739, Bid-ask spread: 0.05738, Last trade: 97.95740, 24 hour volume: 171620.58709880, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.77419 [23:38]
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thestringpuller so much money to be made off this volatility [23:39]
c1n0 hehe bitpay now doing a ama [23:39]
error4733 !asks 149 [23:39]
error4733 ;;asks 149 [23:40]
gribble There are currently 53669.837 bitcoins offered at or under 149.0 USD, worth 6531716.9332 USD in total. | Data vintage: 60.9799 seconds [23:40]
error4733 ;;bids 51 [23:40]
gribble There are currently 89062.744 bitcoins demanded at or over 51.0 USD, worth 6129957.00662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.8990 seconds [23:40]
error4733 ;;bids 0 [23:40]
gribble There are currently 43661871 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 13751617.8104 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.0780 seconds [23:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [23:41]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.60512, Best ask: 96.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29488, Last trade: 96.90000, 24 hour volume: 171682.79420653, 24 hour low: 85.50000, 24 hour high: 109.99800, 24 hour vwap: 98.77633 [23:41]
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kakobrekla cmooon worthless! [23:44]
mircea_popescu lol [23:44]
orkaa spoiled brat [23:45]
* c1n0 puts bids in to buy 100 @ worthless [23:46]
ThickAsThieves this volatility is a lil too risky for me, not riding this rollercoaster just yet [23:46]
c1n0 deploy golden parachute [23:46]
c1n0 with some fatties in hand [23:46]
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c1n0 ;;next [23:48]
gribble expecting 105 if we break 99 | targets: 105, 113, 124, 130 on the upside | support: 94, 92, 87-88 | resistance: 102.5, 105, 110 | lowball buy target: 74-75 | strong rally sell target: 138-148 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 14 2013, 20:46 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | 2 minutes and 27 seconds ago [23:48]
ThickAsThieves have you ever traded bitcoin... ON WEED?! [23:48]
c1n0 i usually consult oracles and ask them to gather every different type of drug out there and make a cocktail and inject it into my eyeballs just before i make a trade so i can read the market better [23:50]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [23:51]
gribble 98.76 [23:51]
thestringpuller c1n0: ahhahahahaha [23:52]
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thestringpuller that made me laugh irl [23:52]
thestringpuller thank you [23:52]
thestringpuller I needed that [23:52]
c1n0 :) [23:52]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.825 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.821 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 35 @ 0.0036 = 0.126 BTC [-] [23:57]
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