Forum logs for 10 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo Welcome nolanbugg [00:21]
BingoBoingo Quite an introduction [00:21]
nolanbugg daniel insisted i join, it has been a long time since i have used irc [00:23]
nolanbugg but it is good company to be in [00:23]
BingoBoingo The only better time to join than now is the past. [00:23]
nolanbugg yea, i take a long time to do anything but i feel like i have a feel for some of the personalities here, but i have plenty of catching up to do with the logs [00:25]
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BingoBoingo nolanbugg: !up yourself now [00:41]
mod6 ;;bc,stats [00:48]
gribble Current Blocks: 387589 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1498 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [00:48]
mod6 Hey, took one guy a whole day to figure out the recipes go in the mind slot :D << lol! [00:48]
mod6 could have been longer even. can't remember. *blush* [00:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00049299 = 11.4127 BTC [-] [01:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7840 @ 0.00049296 = 3.8648 BTC [-] [01:50]
deedbot- [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Has History Of Business Bad Blood - http://qntra.net/2015/12/hoaxtoshi-has-history-of-business-bad-blood/ [01:51]
BingoBoingo "What is PC but verbal form of gentrification?" [02:03]
mircea_popescu "helping the economy" ? [02:19]
mircea_popescu how goes MobGod [02:19]
mircea_popescu i mean mod6 [02:19]
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mod6 good! busy. [02:23]
mod6 got a fair chunk of a script to alter the buildroot .mk files working. [02:25]
mod6 hoping to test it with the required packages in a test dir on the foundation site this weekend. [02:26]
mod6 looking forward to that. [02:27]
mod6 g'night all! [02:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40209 @ 0.00048756 = 19.6043 BTC [-] [02:31]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 14.99980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b12 [02:36]
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pete_dushenski http://image.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1512/09/kf_iphone_01.jpg <--> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVy3SwkWsAA0cHo.jpg [03:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgFdEk ) [03:01]
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pete_dushenski "our phone is so epic that we had to rip off a chris bangle design from 20 years ago to just to allow it to function for an entire day without recharging! electric batteries are our future! (tm) (r)" [03:03]
pete_dushenski "Saudi Arabia stood accused on Tuesday of trying to wreck the Paris climate summit in order to protect its future as one of the world’s largest oil producers." << wow. 'wreck' is so apt they had to use it twice. 1st su, 2nd us. now the only thing missing is a shiny red star in bahamas' (faux) fur hat and you'd swear you had deja vu. [03:05]
pete_dushenski "A US supreme court justice has suggested that black students may benefit from the end of affirmative action admissions policies in US universities because many are “pushed ahead too fast” and should go to “lesser schools” instead." [03:10]
pete_dushenski "The comments by Antonin Scalia came as conservatives on the court gave a sympathetic hearing to a white student who claims she was deprived of a place at the University of Texas due to her race." [03:10]
pete_dushenski "Abigail Fisher graduated two years ago from Louisiana State University instead, but the court was warned that the number of minority students on US college campuses could “plummet” if her appeal against UT is successful – something Scalia suggested could be no bad thing." [03:10]
pete_dushenski "“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school, where they do well,” he said." [03:11]
pete_dushenski "“I’m just not impressed by the fact that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students if the admissions policy changes]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools, turns out to be less,” he added. “I don’t think it stands to reason that it’s a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many [03:11]
pete_dushenski blacks as possible.”" [03:11]
mircea_popescu lol, "we accuse this guy of trying to survive. HES A WRECKER!" [03:12]
mircea_popescu nuts. [03:12]
pete_dushenski ^in which scalia pulls the mask off bahamas' incompetent ruse. [03:12]
pete_dushenski totally nuts [03:13]
pete_dushenski "your future is the planet's future" [03:13]
mircea_popescu anyway. the saudi's have russia's backing, which is what the whole oil glut and cutting bahamas down at the knees was all about. they did their part and the russkis can't afford to sell them out. nor does anyone exist who could make a decent offer, bahamas' is dead broke and the eu is a joke. [03:14]
pete_dushenski "your children will survive von luft und liebe!" [03:14]
mircea_popescu china's going to stick with them, disinterestedly, quietly. [03:14]
mircea_popescu and that's that. [03:14]
mircea_popescu the current meaning of the paris accord is, "the decaying west trying to parlay its unavoidable, certain industrial demise into some sort of international subsidies for itself" [03:15]
pete_dushenski why can't ruskies afford to sell out saudis ? [03:16]
mircea_popescu they'll get a little, but they'll get less than they would gladly take and WAY less than what they'd need to keep the charade going. [03:16]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski because without saudis their whole southern flank collapses, and that's how they had a famine in leningrad last time. [03:16]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b6 [03:17]
pete_dushenski saudis needed to keep baku burning ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu that's unclear. [03:17]
pete_dushenski aha [03:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, they should have met in rome. [03:18]
mircea_popescu that's traditionally where these grand adventures against abstractions predicated on a shortage of currency traditionally started [03:19]
mircea_popescu back when they were called "the crusades" [03:19]
pete_dushenski a millennia is too long of a historical recollection for idjits still using last century's slurs. [03:20]
mircea_popescu we wish the dukes and counts the best of luck in aleppo, and we move on to more important matters. [03:20]
BingoBoingo again [03:21]
BingoBoingo Now in other news... It's the right thing to refer to segregated witness as "Jim Crow" for signatures? [03:22]
BingoBoingo Or maybe more specifically "Jim Crow For Signatures On Blockchain" [03:23]
BingoBoingo Thoughts on this phrasing before it enters the media cycle? [03:24]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b12 [03:31]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b14 [03:44]
pete_dushenski http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax << speaking of which, adlai [03:51]
assbot Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiEGw ) [03:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00049299 = 6.3842 BTC [+] {2} [03:51]
pete_dushenski nyooz at 11, wright's a lazy scammer. myth. busted. [03:52]
pete_dushenski http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/08/obamas-speech-about-san-bernardino/ << notterribad. [03:54]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama’s speech about San Bernardino ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiTl8 ) [03:54]
punkman I don't think at this point you can ever have the "real" satoshi [03:54]
punkman maybe you can have a believable one, but it can't be proven [03:54]
pete_dushenski oh ? [03:55]
punkman suppose Craig had whatever keys you want him to have. who's to say he didn't steal them sometime in the past 5 years [03:55]
pete_dushenski i was about to saw that an alien invasion was more likely than satoshi leaving his privkeys open to any sort of theft, then i remember his affinity for dsa and winbloze... [03:58]
pete_dushenski s/say/saw [03:58]
pete_dushenski punkman: there are presumably questions that one could ask of any potential "satoshi" during an interrogation [04:00]
pete_dushenski this would at least weed out the very poor actors who hadn't spent 2-3 years memorising minutiae [04:00]
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BingoBoingo This really doesn't look like the first time Hoaxtoshi has keep up a con for multiple years [04:02]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b4 [04:03]
punkman pete_dushenski: sure, we can weed out the weak satoshis just by reading X lines of text they've written [04:03]
punkman I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi. [04:07]
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mircea_popescu which is exactly what the man wanted, apparently. [04:09]
punkman can't wait for a believable satoshi though, will be fun [04:11]
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mircea_popescu like the non-dumb politician, or the well read pundit, or so forth. [04:11]
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mircea_popescu but in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9e003947beacd65a21eed3227d66c17c/tumblr_n5sr97TCCA1qkgs0xo1_1280.jpg [04:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGkxmz ) [04:14]
punkman http://i.imgur.com/pfHdWCI.png [04:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGkYxg ) [04:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7591 @ 0.00048759 = 3.7013 BTC [-] [04:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17709 @ 0.00048725 = 8.6287 BTC [-] [04:20]
deedbot- [Qntra] After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/ [04:23]
pete_dushenski see, and here i was wondering what the fuck the shitgnomes were up to now. qntra to the rescue ! [04:24]
BingoBoingo Thank you pete_dushenski for editting the editor [04:26]
pete_dushenski np at all [04:26]
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punkman "disposable structure known as a "witness" that does not get committed to the blockchain" << sigs still stored in blockchain last time I looked [04:31]
pete_dushenski i only edited grammar, i only edited grammar !!1 [04:32]
* pete_dushenski can't do all BingoBoingo's work ;/ [04:33]
BingoBoingo punkman: Not with the new derp [04:33]
BingoBoingo If implemented [04:33]
BingoBoingo punkman: The entire point of this derpology is making more space for transactions by kicking signatures out of blocks [04:34]
punkman what new derp? SPV/pruning/sig-check-skipping nodes exist already [04:38]
BingoBoingo punkman: New derp is 1MB blocks that hold transactions of 1.7-4 MB blocks because no signatures in block. [04:39]
BingoBoingo "Scalibility" [04:39]
BingoBoingo Like lizards see [04:39]
punkman the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes [04:39]
BingoBoingo https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html [04:41]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Not this again. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGmXlc ) [04:41]
punkman lol [04:41]
pete_dushenski "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf [04:42]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1Y401 ) [04:42]
pete_dushenski ^speaking of morals and ethics [04:42]
pete_dushenski "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by Phillip Rogaway" [04:42]
pete_dushenski the kid can seriously cite sources, i'll give him that. [04:43]
punkman https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011935.html [04:44]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness features wish list ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWxcwA ) [04:44]
deedbot- [Qntra] Satoshi: Craig Steven Wright Not Me, We All Are Me - http://qntra.net/2015/12/satoshi-craig-steven-wright-not-me-we-all-are-me/ [04:45]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: 'visTomail' [04:45]
BingoBoingo ty fxd [04:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00049299 = 17.4765 BTC [+] [04:57]
fluffypony punkman I have an idea [05:04]
fluffypony every time there's a new feature we just create a new separate chain [05:05]
fluffypony and then in the old chain we just store pointers to data in the new chain [05:05]
fluffypony no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes [05:05]
BingoBoingo That's basically what this Jim Crow thing is [05:07]
fluffypony yup [05:07]
pete_dushenski "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too" [05:09]
pete_dushenski "This isn’t just bad manners, it’s destructive. Taleb is intentionally tearing down the kind of back-and-forth conversations that are critical to helping laypeople (like himself) form educated opinions about the safety of GMOs and other scientific subjects. And he’s doing with ugly, personal insults that demonize the other side of the debate, just because it’s fun. It’s a terrible, foolish strategy." < [05:10]
pete_dushenski < boohoo everyone should be a middle class conformist and comport themselves with only the flattest and shallowest mannerisms and phraseologies. [05:10]
pete_dushenski http://violentmetaphors.com/2015/08/14/good-science-communication-means-never-calling-them-retard-even-if-youre-nassim-taleb/ [05:10]
assbot Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC ) [05:10]
pete_dushenski "By trying to disqualify everyone who disagrees with him from civilized debate, Taleb and those who follow his tactics merely disqualify themselves." << bwahaha who's disqualified again ? oh, that's right, it's 'the people', 'us', 'we', (women), etc. [05:11]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [05:13]
pete_dushenski if you can't put your personal feelings to the side, you have no place in civilised discourse and debate. period. [05:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 411.9, vol: 16099.86267219 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 409.923, vol: 12284.00268 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.37, vol: 39668.32493164 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 1.96139836 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 422.697093, vol: 125581.98560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 414.10999, vol: 258.92544114 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.886, vol: 146.39836446 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [05:13]
BingoBoingo ;;more [05:13]
gribble average: 419.070693236 [05:13]
BingoBoingo Invisibru https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6zdh/gavin_andresen_supports_jim_crow_for_signatures/ [05:14]
assbot Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz2NT ) [05:14]
BingoBoingo !up BashCo ^ [05:14]
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pete_dushenski from same fishcrap, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w48d8/p2pool_release_150_hardfork_upgrade_urgently/ [05:17]
assbot P2Pool release 15.0 - HARDFORK - Upgrade URGENTLY required. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOCAO ) [05:17]
BingoBoingo Physics https://archive.is/ewr9L [05:17]
assbot Praise be to the Higgs Broson, the swoliest particle known to man : swoleacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOEst ) [05:18]
pete_dushenski that btc miners would go to reddit for their latest news is pretty mindboggling [05:18]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners [05:18]
pete_dushenski that's a point. [05:19]
pete_dushenski in other nyooz, eth below 0.002 and dropping. i think we've got a nail-biter on our hands ! [05:20]
BingoBoingo lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709402 [05:20]
assbot > Edit to add PS: Also what is Satoshi's original mail. I hope satoshi@vistomail... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWP0PK ) [05:20]
BingoBoingo The only fitness question that mattershttps://archive.is/JOiuz [05:24]
* pete_dushenski guesses : 10 chin-ups ? [05:24]
pete_dushenski wtf is swoleacceptance ? [05:25]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It's basically body acceptance for people who don't suck. [05:27]
pete_dushenski aha 'juice monkeys' [05:29]
* pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir ! [05:30]
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BingoBoingo Swolepression is real https://i.imgur.com/hnEchw8.jpg [05:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWA0tw ) [05:30]
BingoBoingo https://archive.is/YZfjT [05:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWAct0 ) [05:34]
BingoBoingo This is in contrast to: "We had one huge manlet of a kid in junior high. 14 years old probably 300+ pounds at about 5'4. We all hated the kid not just because he was fat and stunk like shit, he was a massive nerd and a complete prick. Some shitlord brought up the fact that he smells so bad because he probably can't fit in the shower, so we took a pink highlighter, not a permanent marker, and highlighted his arm to test the bathing [05:43]
BingoBoingo theory. Fucking mark was on his arm for at least two weeks." [05:43]
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BingoBoingo !up Birdman [05:48]
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Birdman not sure if its because of the thread q difference now or what but the yield in my mining has been up between 5-10%, while my hit rate has gone from 70-80% to ~40% [05:55]
punkman what is hit rate? [05:56]
Birdman im sorry it wasn't meant for this channel [05:57]
punkman aww [05:57]
BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV1UJKWWoAEFJpl.jpg [06:05]
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jurov http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on? [09:12]
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punkman nice [09:17]
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mircea_popescu sooo... here's an idea for a consumer company : dropship nuts. [10:04]
mircea_popescu have a website, with a selection of nut packages. some serving sizes of peanuts, pistachios, whatever. [10:05]
mircea_popescu then allow user to specify an image file and an address [10:05]
mircea_popescu print the image on the package and mail them over. [10:05]
mircea_popescu call it Deez Nuts [10:05]
mircea_popescu or w/e, Dee'z Nuts. have Dee the DD blondy your mascot, you can re-use all the godaddy advertising gimmicks. [10:05]
mircea_popescu anyone wanna do it ? you need a few k sq ft of warehouse, somewhere where it's cheap (michigan ?), a coupla packaging machines, a plastic printer and a few workers, no prior skills required that's it. 50k for advertising 50k for the gear gets you wll going. buy the nuts in bulk for cents, sell the packs for dollars, you're looking at 99% margins. [10:10]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's remarkable how plainly dedicated to wrecking bitcoin the usg agents are, huh. [10:20]
mircea_popescu "oh, so you exposed us ? whatever, redditards still depend on usg for their daily survival, and are dumb anyway. so we'll just carry on, but this time without shame" [10:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, nice write-up. [10:21]
mircea_popescu mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ? [10:23]
punkman http://i.imgur.com/mgByuTB.jpg [10:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2SPmM ) [10:24]
mircea_popescu the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes <<< guess why. [10:25]
mircea_popescu they want a fork. they failed to ghet the xt fork going, they're back to pretending like they're in after spending a year pretending like reddit/xtcoin was anything but outsourced philipinos. and now the pretense is that you know, whatever, nobody knows anything of the last year, nobody learned anythning, we'll just do... this. which is that. [10:26]
mircea_popescu punkman no but this is with a z see [10:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible. [10:27]
mircea_popescu so they'll find their way out, and good riddance. [10:27]
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mircea_popescu next time you feel the itch to "drive adoption", specially to poor/stupid people, think that giving a car to a guy living in a horsepulled cart doesn't help him. [10:33]
mircea_popescu and it does create a mess for the people on the highway. [10:33]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81695 << see ? why even bother. [10:42]
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mircea_popescu https://archive.is/0aLpT << lulz at the trezor/"bitcoin speculation" derp. seriously, "there exists consensus" ? tardstalk references ? le sigh already. [10:53]
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mircea_popescu "Okay. So I am Pieter Wuille. I'll be talking about segregated witness for Bitcoin. Before I can explain this, I want to give some context. We all know how bitcoin transactions work. Every bitcoin transaction gets inputs, which refer to previous outputs being spent. Every input has the txid and the signature to prove that it is allowed, plus an amount and script in every output. What this presentation will mostly be ab [10:57]
mircea_popescu out is the question of whether all of this data is equally important. [10:57]
mircea_popescu In particular, we are going to be talking about signatures. It's important to realize here that signatures are really only needed for fully-validating nodes. As a light-weight client, you are not validating signatures, even though they are part of the transactions you still have to download them. If you are using a full-node that is syncing historical data, you don't actually validate all of the signatures in there. Cu [10:57]
mircea_popescu rrently there is a mechanism in there using checkpoints, which we want to deprecate soon, but the result will still be that we're not validating all signatures from years ago in deep history." [10:57]
mircea_popescu herp. and this isn't something that should be fixed, rite. [10:58]
mircea_popescu no, it's "industry standard" eh ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu !rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin. [11:02]
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assbot segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQbB2q ) [11:04]
mircea_popescu and since we're doing vermin for some reason this morning, check out https://archive.is/iMqlE [11:05]
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mircea_popescu scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works. [11:05]
mircea_popescu Christopher Allen Former CTO Certicom Co-Author TLS 1.0 ; Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle ; Greg Maxwell Bitcoin Core Maintainer CTO Blockstream ; Peter Todd Bitcoin Core Contributor ; Greg Slepak OKTurtles and DNSChain ; Markus Sabadello OASIS XDI Internet Identity ; Vitalik Buterin Founder of Ethereum and Bitcoin Magazine ; F. Randall Farmer Author of "Building Web Reputation Systems" ; Pie [11:06]
mircea_popescu ter Wuille Co-founder at Blockstream Bitcoin Core Developer ; Kiara Robles Creator of blockchainMe ; Juan Benet Creator of IPFS Founder of Protocol Labs ; Alex Leverington Core Developer Ethereum ; Tyler Close Access control thinker and implementer ; Ryan Shea Co-founder Onename ; Muneeb Ali Co-founder Onename ; Drummond Reed Co-Founder & CTO Respect Network ; Matthew Schutte Co-Founder at Collaborative Advanta [11:06]
mircea_popescu ge ; Joseph Bonneau Applied Crypto Group ; Jude Nelson Syndicate Private Cloud Storage ; Michael Folkson Founder of RiskBazaar ; Noah Thorp Co-Founder Citizen Code ; Harlan T Wood Citizen Code Enlightened Structure ; Duke Dorje Citizen Code Formerly PGP ; Joel Dietz Citizen Code Founder of Swarm ; Patrick Deegan CTO of Personal BlackBox ; John Edge Cofounder & Chairman Identity2020 ; Justin Newton Netki Foun [11:06]
mircea_popescu der and CEO ; Wayne Thayer VP of Security Products at GoDaddy [11:06]
mircea_popescu ^ kill list, for future convenience. [11:06]
shinohai It's like whitewashing a fence! [11:12]
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mircea_popescu "The reason for this name is because signatures are not part of the transaction. They don't describe what the transaction is doing." herpitty derp, fancy that! [11:13]
mircea_popescu "Wouldn't it be nice to just drop the signatures? The reason why we can't do this is because the signature is part of the transaction hash. If we would just drop the sig from the transaction, the block wouldn't validate, you wouldn't be able to prove an output spend came from that transaction, so that's not something we could do. But let's simplify the problem. What if we could redesign Bitcoin from scratch? What if yo [11:14]
mircea_popescu u're designing an altcoin, there's really no reason why you would want to do this in Bitcoin. This is actually something we did in sidechain alpha." [11:14]
mircea_popescu mmkay. [11:14]
mircea_popescu "You would mark the signature data as special. You are indicated by green color on this slide. Everything but the green part goes into the hash of a transaction. The signature doesn't. It's just a piece of data that's still there, but we don't consider it part of the transaction. [11:14]
mircea_popescu This redesign would allow you to drop this data." [11:14]
mircea_popescu is there no honest man that ever worked for a university ? [11:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the strategy is to throw turds at bitcoin 'until one sticks.' there is a squad devoted to throwing large ones (e.g., xt, 'segregated' nonsense, etc) and another for smaller ones (weird and useless tx types, etc) [11:19]
mircea_popescu aha [11:20]
mircea_popescu well, i guess it's time for an article, what can i say. [11:20]
asciilifeform the 'embrace & extinguish' busienss is tried&true usg vs linux [11:20]
asciilifeform (notice, it largely... worked) [11:20]
mircea_popescu no money in linux. [11:20]
asciilifeform big money in continued microshitification though. [11:21]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340306 << this is the umpteenth attempt, but - iirc - the only one thus far to reference the ~actual~ wot, in the 'embrace&extinguish' sense [11:24]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 14:04:02; mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works. [11:24]
asciilifeform in the keybase vs actual-pgp sense [11:24]
mircea_popescu aha [11:24]
asciilifeform none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle' [11:27]
mircea_popescu aha [11:30]
mircea_popescu a bottle made of tin foil. [11:30]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340188 << it was discussed a week or so ago [11:37]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 07:40:28; pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf [11:37]
asciilifeform ^ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-12-2015#1334630 [11:38]
assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 18:09:50; ascii_field: from the l0ltr0ns: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf >>>>> http://dpaste.com/02AW7SH.txt [11:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340227 << lulzy indeed: 'I feel that in the interest of disclosure I should inform you that I am one of the moderators of the bitcoin-dev mailing list and I approved that email. I regret it already.' (kanzure) [11:39]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 08:19:19; BingoBoingo: lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709402 [11:39]
asciilifeform now kanzure (hi! and whatcha still doing here) is an interesting fella. [11:39]
asciilifeform made his richez young, and theoretically wants for nothing, but still was somehow tempted to join the usgification-of-bitcoin crowd. long ago. [11:39]
asciilifeform perhaps they took his mother, or his dog, hostage, whatever. [11:40]
mircea_popescu or perhaps he's amoral for reason of mental retardation. [11:40]
asciilifeform if anybody gives a shit, walk into #bitcoin-wizards and ask him. [11:41]
asciilifeform ('wizards' is where they spend all day thinking of what shit-to-bolt-on-the-side-of-the-kalash) [11:41]
asciilifeform !s bitcoin-wizards [11:42]
assbot 10 results for 'bitcoin-wizards' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin-wizards [11:42]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, really. [11:42]
asciilifeform it is entertaining, and i occasionally read their logz for lulz [11:42]
mircea_popescu i nten million bars all over the world a hundred million derps spend hours discussing what shit they'd stick to the sides of kardashian, also [11:42]
asciilifeform these folks are fully convinced that they are 'the ~cerebral~ #bitcoin-assets' [11:42]
asciilifeform and virtually the whole rogue's gallery of gavinistas etc. who were shown their latrine place here, have reappeared there. [11:43]
mircea_popescu well... good for 'em neh ? [11:47]
mircea_popescu tis a free world. [11:47]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340251 << l0l, miner usgocalypse ? [11:53]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 12:10:47; jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on? [11:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340273 << tell it to intel and the belching smokestacks of the 14nm fabs [11:55]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 13:25:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible. [11:56]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ? << sounds good, will write something up by EOD. [12:00]
asciilifeform https://archive.is/1bjpD << some mild lulz (for entomologists strictly) [12:01]
assbot I fear gwern has gone off the deep end on this one, situation is getting ridicul... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxi2sW ) [12:01]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340160 << not especially hard to prove that a particular imbecile ~isn't~, however. e.g., sit him down and ask a few basic q's re: the src. [12:04]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 07:06:13; punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi. [12:04]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/ [12:04]
assbot There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S ) [12:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess you might enjoy. [12:04]
asciilifeform this can even be conveniently done in a 'coke machine' setup, where a robotic instrument of torture discourages contrived malingering mistakes [12:04]
* asciilifeform reads [12:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how in satan's name does one produce 'verifiable death certificate' ? [12:08]
mircea_popescu never you mind. we're talking to idiots here. [12:09]
asciilifeform afaik the historical gold standard is... the head [12:09]
mircea_popescu things aren't what they are, they're what the packaging says they are. [12:09]
mircea_popescu and so... [12:09]
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mircea_popescu and yeah re the src point : /me would enjoy a show conssiting of alf crossexamining pretenders. [12:11]
* asciilifeform would also enjoy. [12:11]
asciilifeform and i can think of a buncha other folks here who could readily play the part of the fella with the hot soldering iron [12:12]
asciilifeform 'Nodes means "fully validating" nodes. The other version, the faux-nodes, the "not really nodes", the "I can't believe it's not a node" SPV nonsense are the ones that require the specification just like when an honest man meets a thief the honest man is Jim and the thief is Jeff the Thief - not the other fucking way around.' << gold [12:14]
* asciilifeform fallz down [12:14]
mircea_popescu it's hysterical tho, last year they were all "oh noes, moore's law, infinity resources, must make blocks infinitesize" [12:17]
mircea_popescu this year they're all "oh noes, scarce resources, must replace blockchain with a napkin" [12:17]
mircea_popescu da fuck already. [12:18]
mircea_popescu why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything. [12:18]
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thestringpuller i see mircea_popescu is not happy with PW's SW [12:21]
deedbot- [Trilema] There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. - http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/ [12:21]
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mircea_popescu aww... experiencing a little bit o' ddos, somehow. back shortly. [12:40]
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davout mircea_popescu: "Valid Bitcoin addresses start with a "1"" <<< since when? [13:07]
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mircea_popescu davout since forever. [13:26]
mircea_popescu what, it changed ? [13:26]
thestringpuller yea you can put 3 in front of it [13:38]
thestringpuller and it's a multisig!!!!!! [13:38]
mircea_popescu never heard of it. [13:38]
thestringpuller https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_address_prefixes << some sauce for you [13:38]
mircea_popescu that's ok, i don't much read social media. [13:39]
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mircea_popescu http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself. [13:59]
assbot Well, I'm Back: Introducing rr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnmNt ) [13:59]
mircea_popescu odd how this works. [13:59]
mircea_popescu getting back to yest's lulzthread, https://hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money [14:04]
assbot Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnY5K ) [14:04]
mircea_popescu "2013 had all the signs of being a comeback year for venture capital. Booming public equities and a recovered IPO market generated record portfolio company exits and distributions from VC funds. The industry realized its highest returns since the Internet boom. [14:05]
mircea_popescu Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000." [14:05]
mircea_popescu 2015 has moar hype, less wealth. and 2016... [14:05]
mircea_popescu "But the bigger problem – and the real problem for investors – is how little of a problem this persistent underperformance is for VCs themselves. LPs have created and perpetuate an industry of such structural economic misalignment that VCs can underperform and not only survive, but thrive." [14:07]
mircea_popescu i fully expect the 2016 sv vc verbiage to be all about special pleading of the "employee contracts" sort seen this year. "we lose a lot of money but want you to somehow believe everything that exists is due us!" [14:07]
mircea_popescu vapid housewife standard fare. [14:08]
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mircea_popescu VCs barely invest in their own funds. The “market standard” is for VCs to personally invest 1% of the fund size, and for investors to contribute the remaining 99%. << [14:10]
mircea_popescu the best part is that this works out to a 50% discount for the first year. basically, they;re out there selling adjustable APR mortgages to suckers. [14:10]
mircea_popescu and the [same] suckers are buying. [14:10]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340202 << and nobody will ever notice or care, either. you've perhaps noticed the conferences get smaller and smaller and the attendance ever more obscure. [14:16]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 08:04:03; fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes [14:16]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340403 << this is an ancient idea [14:16]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 16:58:06; mircea_popescu: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself. [14:16]
mircea_popescu so it is. [14:17]
mircea_popescu just discussing his observation it never went anywhere. [14:17]
ascii_field the reason that nobody ever ~did it right~ - and not gdb, either - is the ridiculous qty of not only bandwidth, but FAST storage, required. [14:17]
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ascii_field gotta record every flipped bit of register, BUT ALSO OF RAM [14:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340205 << from http://violentmetaphors.com/2015/08/14/good-science-communication-means-never-calling-them-retard-even-if-youre-nassim-taleb/ and do we actually know taleb's NOT reading b-a ? [14:17]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 08:07:31; pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too" [14:17]
assbot Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC ) [14:17]
ascii_field and satan help you if your program actually does any i/o. [14:17]
mircea_popescu i wasn't aware they say retard on ws. [14:18]
ascii_field herr taleb, iirc, is self-funded, says whatever the fuck he pleases [14:18]
mircea_popescu "Taleb has been kicking up the dust lately on Facebook and Twitter, encouraging his readers to not even listen to people who disagree with his beliefs about GMOs." << apparently encouraging readers to not erven listen to people who know better than to buy in the "rape" narrative, or the "global warming" narrative is a-ok. the problems only start when power exists unalligned to the usg, then the means are VERY BAD!!11 [14:19]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340385 << everything but hat3sp33ch!1111 e.g. sigs [14:23]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 15:17:55; mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything. [14:23]
mircea_popescu aok [14:23]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [14:23]
gribble Current Blocks: 387713 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1374 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [14:23]
mircea_popescu funny tho, so their target is "bitcoin community" < 6months old ? [14:24]
* ascii_field sees the '7.91....' and immediately thinks 'pretty good!111' but then remember he isn't looking at 'ent' [14:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340224 << actually p2p is all the tiny confuseled derps. [14:24]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 08:17:07; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners [14:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00049298 = 2.0261 BTC [+] {2} [14:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_field lol [14:25]
mircea_popescu it does say E! [14:25]
ascii_field actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz [14:25]
* ascii_field had no idea anyone still bothered [14:25]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV1UJKWWoAEFJpl.jpg <<< ah, the leah goodman derp still involved in all this ? [14:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2s3uN ) [14:27]
mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with people lmao. [14:27]
mircea_popescu "So there are two possibilities here. One is that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. The other is that Wright has been conducting an elaborate, year-long con to convince the world that he is Satoshi Nakamoto." mno... timmy boy. the third which is really the only one that matters, is that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339534 [14:29]
assbot Logged on 09-12-2015 11:13:57; mircea_popescu: anyway, so the point of the "is random derp X ?" (no) article was so that reuters could run a piece saying "Australian police raided the Sydney home and office on Wednesday of a man named by Wired magazine as the probable creator of bitcoin and holder of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the cryptocurrency, Reuters witnesses said." [14:29]
mircea_popescu and of course, so that tim lee/vox can say "If Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, he will instantly become the most prominent person in the Bitcoin world." [14:31]
mircea_popescu im guessing if the "swj" update to bitcoin goes the same way the xt update goes, usg is going to discover that really, gavin has no objection to wearing a going to wear a satoshi costume permanently ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu "oh, we discovered the real-real-real one, it's this derp, and as vox said, this now makes him the most important rite ?" [14:32]
ascii_field the other enigma is, [14:32]
ascii_field was it really so impossible to find a halfway-convincing actor ? [14:32]
ascii_field e.g. somebody literate [14:32]
mircea_popescu same thing as "properlly spelled spam" i guess. [14:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field http://nodes.p2pool.co/ < minefast.coincadence.com 78 TH/s ; elizium.name 22 TH/s ; xt.warp2pool.eu 18 TH/s ; galactica.geekgalaxy.com 15 TH/s ; cammello.agaland.it 9 TH/s ; 108.31.56.9 6 TH/s ; p2pool.science 4 TH/s ; 75.101.102.41 2 TH/s ; p2pool.servebeer.com1 TH/s [14:37]
assbot P2Pool.co Node Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhr9dS ) [14:37]
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mircea_popescu most of it is random "seo experts" front. [14:38]
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mircea_popescu PO Box 110211 Stamford, CT 06911-0211 United States. of http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Scammers-Demand-Money-Threaten-to-Kill-Stamford-Residents-290678861.html fame. [14:40]
assbot Scammers Demand Money, Threaten to Kill Stamford Residents | NBC Connecticut ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhrpcM ) [14:40]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, do you really want Pieter Wuille's blood on your hands? [14:40]
mircea_popescu say wut ? [14:41]
HeySteve you've made your point but that's going too far [14:41]
mircea_popescu you're one to judge this ? [14:42]
HeySteve any sane person will make this judgement [14:42]
mircea_popescu then any sane person will do something else with their time, i guess. [14:42]
HeySteve this will only undermine opposition to SW [14:43]
mircea_popescu you're one to judge this ? [14:43]
HeySteve I might not be the best person to judge the technical issues. but to judge murder for hire? yes, why not [14:44]
HeySteve I wish you would reconsider, this is madness [14:44]
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mircea_popescu tell you what : the oposition to xt was... me. that you or any other "sane persons" jumped on later on or not is relatively irrelevant. and, for that matter, the opposition to pirate was also me. and everything in between - me. meanwhile "sane persons" were busy with derping at me about how "mpoe-pr is unprofessional calling out the scam". [14:46]
mircea_popescu so... you know. this is where you learn from what works. [14:46]
HeySteve I hope you continue to oppose scammers and act for the conservation of "classic" bitcoin. but this is not the way to go about it. [14:47]
HeySteve I mean really, putting out a hit? what if some desperate or crazy person takes you up on it, are you ready for the criminal charges? [14:48]
BingoBoingo actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz << Not feasible anymore really. p2P diff is too high. Most seems to be 1-5 dedicated recent mining rigs, so home users. [14:48]
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mircea_popescu again. how would you know ? [14:52]
BingoBoingo Just guessing by the range of hashrates reported. Also did the p2pool thing with ATC. [14:53]
mircea_popescu not you lol, him [14:53]
mircea_popescu guy knows the way to go about things he ain't doing, and wishes to inform the people actually doing it. [14:53]
HeySteve I know evil bullshit when I see it. [14:53]
mircea_popescu how ? [14:53]
mircea_popescu do you basically grep for strings or is there more to it than that ? [14:54]
HeySteve step 1 is not being a psychopath. try it sometime. [14:54]
mircea_popescu right. [14:54]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : the delusional notion that their lives aren't on the line is what makes people do most of the fucktarded shit they do. it certainly is the case with the power rangers. [14:55]
mircea_popescu a little reality call never hurt anyone [14:55]
mircea_popescu unpun unintended. [14:55]
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ascii_field wake me up when i can buy a ticket to the impalements. [14:56]
mircea_popescu which those ? [14:56]
ascii_field of 'power rangerz', et al [14:56]
mircea_popescu ah ah i read implements. [14:56]
ascii_field l0l [14:57]
mircea_popescu in also lulzy news, the maryland-based righteous ddosing of trilema earlier was kinda weak and ineffectual, when compared to the standard angry economics driven ddosen we've seen over the years. [14:57]
mircea_popescu i guess yet another field where the private sector has the public sector whupped. [14:57]
ascii_field l0l md where [14:57]
ascii_field the uni ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu lemme fish the ips i banned [14:58]
HeySteve well, I wash my hands of this place [14:59]
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ascii_field HeySteve: don't let the door hit you on the arse [14:59]
mircea_popescu baltimore mostly. [14:59]
mircea_popescu how exactly is the world supposed to work without "psychopaths". so asshole goes and does something outright evil, and we all what, chant to purge his "sw" out of bitcoin ? hold hands ? [15:00]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: was it udp barf from konsoomer modems? [15:00]
mircea_popescu keep sending him home baked pies ? [15:00]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i've really not spent so much time looking into it, gb-and-a-half piddle from 10s of ips. [15:01]
ascii_field likely it then [15:01]
mircea_popescu !rated heysteve [15:01]
assbot You rated user heysteve on 25-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Fairer sex connoisseur. [15:01]
mircea_popescu im trying to recall who this guy is/was. [15:02]
mircea_popescu oh fuck, he's the guy with the sa rentals. right. [15:02]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-10-2015#1306046 [15:02]
assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 14:24:36; HeySteve: as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence [15:02]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-10-2015#1306040 [15:03]
assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 13:56:49; HeySteve: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305598 < scalable means up to 10,000 TPS, fast means ~5 second confirms, flexible means you can create all kinds of financial instruments (like integrating BANX or creating market-pegged assets) [15:03]
mircea_popescu http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve+landlords more on point. [15:03]
assbot 4 results for 'heysteve landlords' - #bitcoin-assets search [15:03]
mircea_popescu incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ? [15:03]
ascii_field like waht? [15:04]
mircea_popescu hasn't html/xml/sgml failed horribly enough ? [15:04]
mircea_popescu like "scripts" [15:04]
ascii_field same reason why add a 2kg telescope to kalash ? [15:04]
ascii_field or a searchlight projector [15:04]
ascii_field 'BECAUSE K00L!!111' [15:04]
thestringpuller kalash makes a good sniper rifle tho [15:04]
mircea_popescu so no more unix philosophy, just... everything expands to read mail ? [15:04]
ascii_field thestringpuller: wai wut [15:04]
mircea_popescu assault-sniping. [15:05]
ascii_field thestringpuller: if you live in usa you are not far from some place where you can rent a kalash and try 'snipe' at 100 metres into a plate [15:05]
ascii_field go, try [15:05]
thestringpuller ^- i've done this [15:05]
thestringpuller it's not so bad [15:05]
thestringpuller not as good as a "real" sniper rifle [15:06]
ascii_field aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world [15:06]
mircea_popescu much better than a water gun [15:06]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340521 << now the other thing is: chumpatronic engineering [15:08]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 18:02:24; mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ? [15:09]
ascii_field in the specific sense of 'goldmansachsization' [15:09]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340503 <<< A #b-a ragequit ? O.o [15:09]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 17:57:45; HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place [15:09]
ascii_field moar mechanical complexity, more room (or so they hope) for mechanized fraud [15:09]
mircea_popescu except this approach handed their country to china on a silver plate. [15:10]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would they still expect it to work [15:10]
mircea_popescu no, nm. [15:10]
ascii_field the fact never sank in [15:10]
thestringpuller because ethereum is revolutionary and thus bitcoin needs to be moar like it [15:10]
ascii_field because - largely - cn never came in and repossessed the whores & coke [15:10]
mircea_popescu myeah. i had a mp sitting on my shoulder going "Doh" as i hit enter [15:10]
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mircea_popescu shinohai in fairness, wouldn't by any stretch be the first person we/i've driven to excuse themselves. [15:11]
ascii_field what was the name of the treason guy [15:12]
ascii_field !s treason [15:12]
assbot 40 results for 'treason' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treason [15:12]
shinohai Life is precarious, get over it ^^ [15:13]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999266 [15:14]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. [15:14]
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thestringpuller yet ascii_field you are afraid to launder USG money? lol. [15:14]
mircea_popescu lol that really stuck with you huh [15:15]
ascii_field thestringpuller: in the same sense as i'm afraid to thermonuke davos [15:15]
ascii_field (elementarily lack the means) [15:15]
thestringpuller ic makes sense then. [15:16]
BingoBoingo what was the name of the treason guy << midnightmagic [15:18]
ascii_field and iirc there were moar [15:18]
BingoBoingo aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world << This is job for the other (Mosin) Nagant [15:19]
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mircea_popescu in less emotional-driven nonsense, [15:21]
mircea_popescu "The Model is Confused and Misused. Frequently the same group that is arguing for more spending is the same one that “owns” the LTV calculation. (This is a mistake – finance should monitor LTV). As a result, it is not uncommon for one to see shortcuts taken that allow for greater freedom. As an example, marketers often divide spend by total customers to calculate SAC rather than just those customers that were [15:21]
mircea_popescu “purchased.” If you have organic customers, they shouldn’t be included in the spend calculus. They would have arrived regardless of spend. Also, many people discount “revenues” rather than marginal cash contribution. It is critical to bundle all future variable costs of supporting the customer in order to fairly estimate the future contribution. As an example of the sloppiness that exists around the formula, [15:21]
mircea_popescu consider this blog post (http://blog.kissmetrics.com/how-to-calculate-lifetime-value/) from KISS metrics, a company whose aim is to “help you make smarter business decisions.” Not only do they include a version of the model that specifically ignores future costs, but also they recommend taking an average of three different results, two of which are clearly flawed. This voodoo-math has no place as part of a multi-mi [15:21]
mircea_popescu llion dollar marketing exercise." [15:21]
mircea_popescu from http://abovethecrowd.com/2012/09/04/the-dangerous-seduction-of-the-lifetime-value-ltv-formula/ [15:21]
assbot The Dangerous Seduction of the Lifetime Value (LTV) Formula | Above the Crowd | By Bill Gurley ... ( http://bit.ly/21SdtK0 ) [15:21]
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mircea_popescu "ltv" being one of the lulziest snakeoil products the marketing scambunch has been pushing down the throats of public cos [15:21]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mod6 trb www still shows non-v patches ?! [15:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:30]
mircea_popescu !up btcdrak [15:31]
-assbot- You voiced btcdrak for 30 minutes. [15:31]
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btcdrak mircea_popescu: what on earth are you up to? [15:32]
mircea_popescu bothering people, apparently. [15:32]
btcdrak mircea_popescu: I'm trying to divine if you are just trolling or dead serious. [15:33]
mircea_popescu well... i signed it, didn't i ? what's more. [15:33]
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mircea_popescu why, you got the cert ? [15:33]
btcdrak mircea_popescu: Well I'm done here. You're out of order. [15:34]
mircea_popescu aite. [15:35]
btcdrak please remove my gpg key from assbot [15:35]
* mircea_popescu didn't even know he was in an order b4. [15:35]
btcdrak you are an idiot [15:35]
ascii_field !s gettrust btcdrak [15:35]
assbot 0 results for 'gettrust btcdrak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+btcdrak [15:35]
ascii_field !gettrust btcdrak [15:35]
assbot ascii_field is not registered in WoT. [15:35]
ascii_field l0l [15:35]
asciilifeform !gettrust btcdrak [15:35]
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mircea_popescu all these people with the higher moral ground calling peeps names and shit. [15:36]
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ascii_field what were the remoras even doing here. [15:38]
mircea_popescu well, people gotta form their own opinions on things neh. [15:38]
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mircea_popescu in fairness, the emotional angle is really hard to get past. which is why the thing's so effective in the first place. [15:41]
ascii_field wai wut [15:41]
mircea_popescu which part ? [15:41]
ascii_field emotional angle [15:41]
mircea_popescu try screaming "YOU MAKE EXCELLENT PIE" at the top of your lungs @woman, see if she takes it as a compliment. [15:42]
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mircea_popescu !up dbclk [15:43]
-assbot- You voiced dbclk for 30 minutes. [15:43]
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shinohai Well I never would have guessed two individuals would get their panties in a bunch in one day. [15:43]
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mircea_popescu life is the foremost value, yo! notwithstanding that the delusion of "freedom from consequence" is the fundamental corner stone of "creativity" as understood on the internets. [15:43]
mircea_popescu deep issues. [15:43]
ascii_field i thought it was 'any degree of scumhood is virtuous when it's in the service of usg, lie, cheat, kill, whatever' [15:44]
mircea_popescu you keep thinking the usg a prime mover [15:45]
ascii_field prime stator [15:45]
mircea_popescu the usg is mere detritus resulting from malfunctioning metabolism [15:45]
mircea_popescu nobody's glycemia gave them diabethes. [15:45]
ascii_field neh it's rather more like the original aids victim [15:46]
ascii_field the fella who wouldn't rest until he infected as many as he could [15:46]
mircea_popescu in me eyes tis entirely passive. does what "teh people" "need". [15:46]
* ascii_field always has, in back of head, suspicion that 'usg' is catastrophically misnamed, considering that the communicable disease in question goes back to at least voltaire [15:48]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'Not only are they part of the transaction, not only are they an integral part of the transaction : they are the only actually needed part. What makes a transaction a transaction is the signature, nothing else. Everything else is like marketing : contributes to costs, not to revenue.' << here i will note that, if bitcoin used rsa sigs, the tx and the signature could be literally one and the same thing [15:51]
ascii_field (with a very small amount of number-theoretical elbow grease) [15:51]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: [malleability] 'This is a major problem, principally driven by the deliberately broken state of the FOSS' << btw it affects pgp (via the braindamaged pkcs1.5) to same extent [15:52]
mircea_popescu it does. [15:52]
kakobrekla ftr 'gettrust' takes second argument optionally [15:57]
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mircea_popescu nothing to see really. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcdrak/ [16:16]
assbot btcdrak WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexTFr ) [16:16]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792159 etc. [16:17]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2014 02:20:21; TimSwanson: That's not how debates work [16:17]
mircea_popescu but in softer news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ddbfb0f4b02fcab0975572149d01b09c/tumblr_mhp018OsvD1rm9y3no1_500.gif [16:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeybMK ) [16:20]
BingoBoingo Damn, It's like people forget about Andreas whose ghost supports this thing. [16:40]
BingoBoingo http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2014/06/19/323326424/a-fresh-cry-of-pain-fat-shaming-in-science << Win [16:43]
assbot A Fresh Cry Of Pain: Fat-Shaming In Science : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NezWJI ) [16:43]
BingoBoingo "She told me that her team did a lot of collaborative work in this lab, and she didn't need someone who was going to 'eat more than their fair share of the pizza, if you know what I mean.' " [16:44]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81778 [16:45]
assbot After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeA77Q ) [16:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12822 @ 0.00049461 = 6.3419 BTC [+] [17:50]
thestringpuller http://imgur.com/G7mNXUI << coinbase's exchange built from MTGox code. [17:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24611 @ 0.00049156 = 12.0978 BTC [-] {2} [17:59]
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BingoBoingo http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8461925&cid=51094567 [18:42]
assbot WordPress 4.4 Arrives - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/21SHqd3 ) [18:42]
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BingoBoingo https://archive.is/9NAQg [18:54]
assbot Okay, so I think I've figured out 'Dr' Craig White's end game in pretending to be Satoshi. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/21SJxO4 ) [18:55]
BingoBoingo !up tripleslash [18:55]
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tripleslash woo [18:59]
tripleslash I haz voiceseses [18:59]
BingoBoingo Are you going to ragequit the channel too? [19:00]
BingoBoingo Seems to be trend today. Happened twice. [19:00]
shinohai First time I had seen that happen, but I've only been here since June. [19:03]
shinohai Twice in one day tho ... puritans. [19:03]
BingoBoingo It seems to happen from time to time. [19:03]
shinohai I guess this place isn't for everyone, :/ [19:04]
BingoBoingo What place is? [19:07]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b14 [19:17]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b15 [19:17]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b9 [19:17]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b14 [19:23]
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BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/8j3rYR.png [19:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeRhCq ) [19:33]
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BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3420 [19:42]
assbot JL: Riding the Lie ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeSgCz ) [19:42]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo: aka anarchotyranny / 'yi yi zhi yi'. [19:44]
BingoBoingo lol [19:44]
BingoBoingo yes [19:45]
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SirArthur_2 TY [19:47]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01279645 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b10 [19:53]
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cazalla_ thanks, i'd log in properly but won't stay long [20:03]
cazalla_ asciilifeform, any idea if zed shaw knows his stuff? working through his learn python the hard way book past month or so, recommend any books once i'm done with this one (or anyone else for that matter) [20:06]
ascii_field cazalla_: i'm entirely unfamiliar with this author [20:07]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ << This guy [20:08]
assbot Learn Python The Hard Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeUP7w ) [20:08]
cazalla_ yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin [20:08]
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ascii_field looks like a perfectly legit guide to py [20:09]
BingoBoingo Even sticks to actual python 2 and not heretical 3 [20:09]
punkman I've read a couple of his learn X books, not bad [20:09]
punkman http://programming-motherfucker.com/ [20:13]
assbot Programming, Motherfucker - Do you speak it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Q19 ) [20:13]
cazalla_ punkman, i'm finding it good and i'm on pace to actually finish it, but figured seeing i know little, might be best to ask he if what im learning has any value [20:14]
shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3wa9zf/butter_offers_1_btc_reward_for_the_death_of/ <<< top kek, mircea_popescu made buttcoin [20:14]
assbot Butter offers 1 BTC reward for the death of Pieter Wuille (Buttcoin developer) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Y0C ) [20:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00048223 = 9.9339 BTC [-] {2} [21:20]
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mircea_popescu !up xss [21:36]
-assbot- You voiced xss for 30 minutes. [21:36]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitstein sure, why not. [21:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:36]
xss buna mircea! ce mai faci [21:36]
mircea_popescu not bad. [21:37]
mircea_popescu who're you again ? [21:37]
xss no1 [21:37]
xss just browsing the good ol' freenode [21:37]
mircea_popescu alright. [21:39]
mircea_popescu that exahash bet is interesting huh. [21:39]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [21:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 387785 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [21:39]
mircea_popescu ;;nethash [21:42]
gribble 747455577.646 [21:42]
mircea_popescu seriously looks like 200+ phash added this week. [21:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2015#1340251 [21:43]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 12:10:47; jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on? [21:43]
mircea_popescu ha [21:43]
asciilifeform miner usgocalypse, possibly [21:44]
mircea_popescu possibly. [21:45]
mircea_popescu or maybe someone really has it in for mpoe-pr, wants her to lose all bets. [21:46]
mircea_popescu NO EXPENSE SPARED [21:46]
asciilifeform what could possibly be more surprising than the most easily-predictable thing conceivable finally happening. [21:46]
mircea_popescu yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin <<< ahahaha check out the guy that took a year off from btc biz :D [21:47]
* asciilifeform pictures an obamahruschov banging shoe and declaiming that miners 'are rolling off our conveyors like sausages!1111 we will bury you' [21:48]
mircea_popescu haha would be pretty good actually. [21:48]
mircea_popescu top kek, mircea_popescu made buttcoin << eh, they've got a fascination with me ever since back when the subreddit was called somethingafwul [21:49]
mircea_popescu "edmundedgar 6 points 1 hour ago Why weren't people like this around when they were designing CSS?" << also, buttcoin is about 50 iq points over bitcoin. [21:50]
mircea_popescu ajhahahahaa omfg. [21:52]
mircea_popescu "CountOneInterrupt 2 points 1 hour ago Gotta love that classy web design with a butt next to the name. It's our sister site!" << check it out! someone fucking got it! [21:52]
mircea_popescu one of my more absconse private jokes to date! [21:52]
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mircea_popescu http://gothamgal.com/2015/07/recapping-a-round/ << a little more about yc and its miserable approach to investing. [21:59]
assbot Recapping a round?? – Gotham Gal ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYAa3z ) [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00048462 = 8.6505 BTC [+] {2} [22:04]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtle2wxjF1qbujxso1_1280.jpg [22:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qzl4rN ) [22:26]
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mod6 ok. let's see here... [22:37]
mod6 trb www still shows non-v patches ?! << ok so no, not yet. after ben and I sign everything for the release, we'll be updating the website. [22:38]
mod6 Thanks for the reminder though. [22:38]
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asciilifeform 'That's when you see the toxicity of the overall startup culture is the root of the problem that lead to your investment situation, diversity issues, contract worker issues, etc. A culture that values above all else -- as one investor put it to me -- the unfair advantage. The thing you do / have / are that gives you a 10x leg up on everyone else. And that just makes people look for the fastest, easiest way to the most unfair a [23:05]
asciilifeform dvantage they can get. Taking advantage of loopholes in laws, instead of doing what's right. Hiring people from your own network, instead of going beyond its narrow reach. And now, recapping a round, instead of honoring prior investments. That's the culture. And you *really* feel it in SF. You'd easily walk into a coffee shop there, and overhear this story about recapping a round being told with laughs and high-fives.' << from [23:05]
asciilifeform ze commentz [23:05]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340144 << lulzy. the sheer cheapness of the sham... [23:18]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2015 06:49:28; assbot: Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiEGw ) [23:18]
danielpbarron aaaaand the trilema twatter account is suspended [23:18]
asciilifeform wasn't that last year ? [23:19]
danielpbarron that was mircea_popescu's personal account [23:19]
mod6 hi asciilifeform [23:19]
asciilifeform good evening mod6 ! [23:19]
mod6 anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to getting the website cleaned up and putting V up there with vpatches. [23:19]
asciilifeform neato [23:19]
mod6 we're getting close. [23:20]
mod6 you wanna see my script I'm workin on? [23:20]
asciilifeform sure [23:20]
mod6 (this by no means is finished, but interested to see what you think about the direction i'm taking) [23:20]
mod6 (this is only pasted for 1 week as it certainly isn't complete): http://dpaste.com/28ZBQRF.txt [23:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIvTXg ) [23:21]
asciilifeform i think i see the point here [23:22]
mod6 so what I'm hoping to accomplish here is to alter the .mk files that accompany buildroot, so they pull the 3rd party reqs directly from the foundation site instead of wherever they currently point to. [23:22]
asciilifeform but can't escape the feeling that the dependency orchestra is too broad for a buildroot linux to be meaningfully v-tight [23:23]
asciilifeform (srsly, 'expat' ?) [23:23]
mod6 ikr [23:23]
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mod6 im not sure this is the best way to handle this [23:24]
mod6 i think it'll work though. my rotor+v054 script would run this script after extracting the buildroot package [23:25]
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asciilifeform it will work, yes. just like my original wild buildroot worked. [23:25]
asciilifeform that isn't the issue. [23:25]
mod6 i have one more bridge to cross yet, and I havent gotten that far yet; having a script of my own somehow check the sigs & hashes after the file xfrs are complete. [23:26]
mod6 i do see what you're saying in a sense I think. [23:27]
mod6 it's a tough pill to swallow to sign & rely on such garbage [23:28]
mod6 many wheels to reinvent. [23:28]
mod6 in the short term, is there a way to maybe do this better that I'm missing? [23:35]
asciilifeform well [23:37]
asciilifeform throwing out the userland entirely will simplify the build considerably. [23:37]
asciilifeform (bitcoind as kernel module) [23:38]
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asciilifeform the thing is, imho classical bitcoind is a rickety life support affair regardless of how we cut it. [23:41]
mod6 im with you there. [23:41]
asciilifeform and for so long as it is in use, it will be dragging along atrocious shitgnomicities. [23:42]
mod6 im of the persuasion that bitcoin should get it's own OS, eventually, when it can be built. [23:42]
asciilifeform imho if the thing at the core is still the ridiculous cpp turd (complete with openssl, bdb) then the effort is wasted. [23:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85085 @ 0.00048066 = 40.897 BTC [-] {4} [23:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00047794 = 25.8805 BTC [-] {5} [23:50]
mod6 yeah getting rid of openssl is going to be, an adventure. not only does the crypto need to be implemented, a perfect backward compatibility needs to be maintained. [23:51]
mircea_popescu ze commentz << honestly... a bunch of derps burned 2mn and want "to recoup their investment" aka http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/#selection-85.81-85.106 [23:55]
assbot Capitalism si naivitate. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdPa95 ) [23:55]
mircea_popescu then they DIDN'T want to go in pro-rata on the new round. [23:55]
mircea_popescu the us has really decayed lots and lots. [23:55]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron> aaaaand the trilema twatter account is suspended <<< now i gotta go in the logs, see what all that does. [23:58]
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