Forum logs for 08 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11711 @ 0.00022272 = 2.6083 BTC [+] [00:00]
decimation Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion [00:02]
decimation why should you gain 'without risk'? [00:03]
trinque the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged [00:06]
trinque smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized" [00:07]
BingoBoingo the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending [00:08]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << : [00:08]
* asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people [00:09]
* asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth [00:09]
decimation trinque: what about being charged for saving < < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet [00:11]
decimation utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. " [00:11]
assbot Negative Interest Rates May Spark Existential Crisis for Cash - Bloomberg Business ... ( ) [00:11]
trinque decimation: pretty lulzy [00:12]
decimation of course, you pay to save gold too [00:12]
decimation and bitcoin, for that matter [00:12]
asciilifeform wai wut [00:12]
decimation computers use power, cost money, expose one to risk [00:13]
decimation < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps [00:14]
decimation elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back." [00:14]
assbot No, the rich don’t ‘want to pay more taxes’ | RWCG ... ( ) [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131880 @ 0.00022299 = 29.4079 BTC [+] {2} [00:15]
asciilifeform ^ obvious as daylight [00:16]
decimation asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media [00:18]
decimation saying they ‘want’ such a policy – and backing the (D) pols who propose it. " [00:18]
decimation not gonna happen, but would be lulzy to see it tried [00:18]
asciilifeform this is called 'dekulakization' [00:18]
asciilifeform see also [00:19]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. [00:19]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs [00:19]
asciilifeform dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power. [00:20]
asciilifeform if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell. [00:22]
asciilifeform (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win) [00:23]
decimation asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly [00:26]
asciilifeform aha. [00:27]
decimation asciilifeform: < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle [00:33]
assbot Tax Burdens By Quintile ... ( ) [00:33]
decimation the top 20% pay 20% tax rate, and the top 1% pay 29% [00:34]
decimation note that 20% hurts someone making $100k way more than 30% hurt someone making $3 mil [00:34]
asciilifeform the whole % thing is bogus [00:35]
decimation so the rates 'look' fair while being a stumbling block for the up-and-coming [00:35]
asciilifeform given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever [00:35]
decimation asciilifeform: indeed. also if you have $3 mil per year income, it is highly likely that you have many times that in net worth, and thus can modulate your taxable income at your leisure [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152550 @ 0.00022841 = 34.8439 BTC [-] {2} [00:38]
decimation asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities [00:40]
decimation not so much for the middle [00:40]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think you qualify. [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77242 @ 0.00023695 = 18.3025 BTC [+] [01:34]
BingoBoingo cmon scoopbot_revived [01:35]
scoopbot_revived ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report [01:36]
mircea_popescu lol wd [01:37]
BingoBoingo Also guy who put "phone home" in Armory wants blocksize++ [01:38]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( ) [01:38]
mircea_popescu d'oh. [01:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the amusing dilemma of the defeated being, of course, that they're stuck either exposing themselves in a doomed charge, [01:39]
mircea_popescu or else ensuring through silence the charge fails. [01:39]
mircea_popescu it's a lot of fun watching the bug squirm. [01:39]
BingoBoingo Now "phone home" isn't as bad as Hearn forking in March 2013, but phone home is still bad for people who chose Armory [01:39]
BingoBoingo It took a lot of time to get the Qntra gloat piece at just the right amount of gloat. [01:40]
mircea_popescu decimation : the idea that the poor have some sort of choice or whatever is so damned laughable. to quote myself, "Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. " [01:40]
BingoBoingo And yet all of the people previously demonstrated to be aligned against Bitcoin while acting otherwise really seem to be sweating this [01:41]
mircea_popescu they got their marchin' orders. [01:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00023695 = 4.194 BTC [+] [01:42]
mircea_popescu the problem with not being an independent agent is exactly this : the loser's dilemma. either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason. [01:42]
BingoBoingo << lol Uk can't even be named [01:42]
assbot ... ( ) [01:42]
BingoBoingo In other news most of my meatspace contacts are now getting that rosebush as mother's day presents. Just looking at the odds it is almost inevitable of of their moms is going to pirate it. [01:45]
BingoBoingo The fiat fail is a pattern though. People near the top like Blair and Bradley with ItBit or Altman with CoinBase say they are cool with the law and people lower down in Utah and Iowa say STFU they have laws too. [01:48]
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mircea_popescu "the top of the bottom of the swamp is a top too!" [01:49]
mircea_popescu if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell. << quite. and quite shockingly how it works in bitcoin too. [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212458 @ 0.00023801 = 50.5671 BTC [+] {2} [01:50]
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mircea_popescu in other news, Submissions: 18160 / Known Moduli: 14733 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 2018 [01:50]
BingoBoingo Beautiful [01:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 313859 @ 0.00024115 = 75.6871 BTC [+] {4} [01:51]
mircea_popescu (18160−11497)÷744 = 8.95 / minute [01:51]
mircea_popescu anyway, the strong set's not much more than 40-50k keys or so, iirc. [01:52]
BingoBoingo Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways [01:52]
BingoBoingo [01:53]
assbot California busts $14M scheme to bring cans, bottles in from Arizona for recycling | Fox News ... ( ) [01:53]
mircea_popescu "busts" ? [01:54]
mircea_popescu isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ? [01:54]
BingoBoingo Seriously, YAY FEDERPERALISTM [01:55]
mircea_popescu hey, anyone seen mel brooks' bvlazing saddles ? [01:55]
BingoBoingo Who hasn't. With all the mongo and the beans [01:56]
mircea_popescu great fucking film. [01:57]
BingoBoingo Great might not be giving it enough credit [01:58]
mircea_popescu srsly. [01:59]
asciilifeform asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not [02:10]
mircea_popescu because you seem aware of the problem. [02:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233829 @ 0.000243 = 56.8204 BTC [+] {4} [02:11]
asciilifeform but, ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason. [02:11]
asciilifeform notice that being aware, isn't a get-out-of-shit card [02:11]
mircea_popescu i meant, you're aware of the ownership problem. [02:12]
asciilifeform it is even conceivable that cockroach is aware of boots. [02:12]
mircea_popescu that IS a get out of the circle card. because once you're aware, everything you do is more or less successful, but nevertheless in THIS line. [02:12]
mircea_popescu whereas for the unaware, this question unposed, everything they do is a waste. [02:12]
asciilifeform Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about [02:13]
mircea_popescu it's exactly like the difference between knowing and not knowing that washing hands prevents peripueral fever. now, for as long as you don't know, you don't know. once you do know, it all reduces to a question of how well you washed your hands. [02:13]
mircea_popescu it moves from metaphysics to techne, as it were. [02:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm also thinking MPEx account keys, et al [02:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's mostly debian, practically. but mostly dead debian. [02:14]
asciilifeform ^ this would explain it [02:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there [02:14]
asciilifeform nor even reason to think that most such keys are not - cooked for the occasion and not advertised [02:15]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hence life critical yet no reason to be in strong set. Many other "in anger" keys likely same or similar. If not now, soon. [02:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i often wonder how many folks who use (used?) pgp historically, only habitually communicated with one party, and would've been better served by vernam [02:17]
mircea_popescu the thing we're stumbling on here is that the usecase for pubkeys is really two distinct things. [02:17]
asciilifeform ^ mircea_popescu has it [02:17]
mircea_popescu one is, key as to be used on mpex. the other is, key as to be used on deedbot [02:17]
mircea_popescu these are almost perfectly orthogonal. [02:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform vernam = otp ? [02:18]
asciilifeform aha [02:19]
asciilifeform (in english lands often called vernam for the putative inventor of it there) [02:19]
mircea_popescu the problem with otp is that it's bulky [02:19]
mircea_popescu bulk is a PARTICULARLY venomous anti-property of secure items [02:19]
asciilifeform i'm holding a 64GB microsd in my left hand [02:20]
asciilifeform it weighs a gram or so. [02:20]
mircea_popescu i thought you said historically. [02:20]
asciilifeform bulky ? [02:20]
asciilifeform historic as in history of pgp [02:20]
asciilifeform e.g., a 4mm tape circa '95, held a good bit of otp [02:21]
asciilifeform so it isn't a recent thing [02:21]
mircea_popescu even so. 90s kid. [02:21]
asciilifeform (and tape was considerably easier to zap) [02:21]
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asciilifeform << historic otp [02:22]
assbot ... ( ) [02:22]
asciilifeform not so bulky, either. [02:22]
asciilifeform fit handily in arse safe - with magnifier, yes [02:22]
mircea_popescu keyring is kbs. [02:22]
pete_dushenski looks like pipe (left), papers (middle), and grinder (right) [02:22]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: aha you can smoke it [02:22]
asciilifeform and people did. [02:23]
pete_dushenski lol! [02:23]
asciilifeform otp paper traditionally was selected to burn crisply [02:23]
BingoBoingo [02:24]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:24]
assbot Amazing Deals Just For You. And You. You, Too.. In the Pipeline: ... ( ) [02:24]
pete_dushenski sounds like a charming way to cover one's paper trail [02:24]
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asciilifeform << otp holder. [02:24]
assbot ... ( ) [02:24]
mircea_popescu ahahaha that's a soviet trick [02:24]
asciilifeform ^ i do not know if this belonged to ogorodnik, the famous ru traitor in whose case a battery figured [02:24]
asciilifeform (and a cyanide pen, which he used successfully) [02:25]
asciilifeform i also do not know if the battery actually supplied the requisite 1.5v [02:25]
asciilifeform which would've been a classy touch [02:25]
mircea_popescu afaik they do [02:25]
mircea_popescu (have a thinner one in there, not so hard to do) [02:25]
asciilifeform not hard (include a silver oxide watch cell) [02:25]
asciilifeform incidentally this battery is a very good beginner lathe project. [02:26]
asciilifeform use your imagination. [02:26]
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mircea_popescu << speaking of ismail [02:28]
assbot How Fake News Articles And Lies About Billionaires Were Used To Market An Iffy Dietary Supplement - Forbes ... ( ) [02:28]
mircea_popescu The company that makes the supplements disavowed ownership of these advertisements, saying that they were produced by “affiliate marketers” who were not its responsibility. In fact, many of the websites investigated by Forbes traced back to a single individual whose phone voice mail said he worked at a carpet cleaning business. One of the product’s pages —, but not — [02:28]
mircea_popescu is registered to a self-styled new age internet entrepreneur. [02:28]
pete_dushenski sounds like coindesk's scamz [02:29]
asciilifeform << otp is perennial favourite of folks writing own cipherator [02:30]
pete_dushenski "i swear it wasn't us!" [02:30]
assbot Kjetil's Information Center ... ( ) [02:30]
pete_dushenski coinbase et al. too [02:30]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it would be eh. [02:31]
pete_dushenski tough competition out there. [02:31]
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pete_dushenski all these derps competing over teh same stack of other, less crafty derps. [02:32]
scoopbot_revived Blazing Saddles [02:34]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "adowable" << cute ;) [02:35]
mircea_popescu hehe [02:35]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "If you wish to make a name for yourself, find a way - preferably, a systematic way - out of this conundrum." << systematic being... this place ? [02:38]
pete_dushenski what else ? [02:38]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: nah systematic is - atomic dirigible. [02:38]
pete_dushenski pff nonsense [02:38]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski nono, what's being discussed there is the monthy pyton problem. [02:38]
asciilifeform well, submarine also works, sure. [02:38]
mircea_popescu find a way to make creative lines have a good punch line. [02:39]
mircea_popescu “I have many irons in the fire when it comes to projects,” Shanks writes on his website, “from health, to wealth, to blogging and establishing a community movement, my arms are ready and my eyes wide open to welcome as many of you as I can, to serve a higher purpose, help others create success, happiness and prosperity in life.” [02:39]
mircea_popescu that forbes article is fucking epic. [02:39]
mircea_popescu Who is Troy? [Athlete 2 Alchemist 2 Alpha] [02:39]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: is this monty python approach not more broadly applicable ? [02:39]
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mircea_popescu << this fucking twerp. unemployed best grip or w/e he is. [02:40]
assbot ... ( ) [02:40]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i have nfi. [02:40]
asciilifeform wat even is this horror [02:40]
pete_dushenski ah, the sweet seductive power of the ponytail. [02:40]
mircea_popescu << wavy lyfestyle [02:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: well then what chance does anyone else have ! [02:41]
assbot ... ( ) [02:41]
mircea_popescu totally ponytail. [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00024377 = 25.7177 BTC [+] [02:41]
pete_dushenski that's at least 3 years of growth right there. [02:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some "internet entrepreneur" dedicated to "creating freedom" [02:41]
mircea_popescu or in other words : bitcoin idiots / the sort of "entrepreneurs" gavin talks to weren't invented by bitcoin. [02:41]
mircea_popescu they pre-existed it, and will continue to indefinitely exist. like any other weed. [02:42]
mircea_popescu "My message has always been the same. Hard Work, Dedication, and have been the core wisdom I hope to transfer into you as a thank you for reading, visiting, and absorbing my thoughts, feelings, and outlook on life." [02:43]
mircea_popescu hopefully they have three pills for him. [02:44]
pete_dushenski advil, aspirin, cyanide. [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16744 @ 0.00024416 = 4.0882 BTC [+] {2} [02:45]
mircea_popescu i was thinking more like... acid, ecstasy, cocaine. [02:45]
mircea_popescu should be interesting to watch, or in his own words, "From Higher Health to Inner Wealth, Levitational Perception helps ~Levitate your mind, Elevate your game~ Be You. Stay True. Stay Sweet. Stay Sexy. ~Stay Wavy Baby~" [02:45]
mircea_popescu he probably goes around the mall in whatever ohio he lives in, saying "stay wavy baby" to tgi tuesdays waitresses and shoe store attendants. [02:46]
pete_dushenski not so different from tony robbins really. [02:46]
asciilifeform what kind of dope does one have to take to be at the slightest risk from this pitch ? [02:46]
pete_dushenski and 'big hands' pulls in tens of millions a year. [02:46]
mircea_popescu not everyone went to the same kindergarten as you, asciilifeform [02:46]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski does he need bigger blocks ? [02:46]
pete_dushenski tony ? [02:47]
asciilifeform speaking of which, anyone have, or know of someone who knows of someone who have, in the flesh, products from vendor: [02:47]
assbot Home ... ( ) [02:47]
asciilifeform (their site barely works. esp. hilarious for folks who sell a $maxint gadget) [02:48]
pete_dushenski << wtf big hands... i meant BANANA hands. [02:48]
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assbot Shallow Hal - Devils come out - YouTube ... ( ) [02:48]
mircea_popescu domainfactory GmbH ? srsly ? [02:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform never heard of them, and it looks exactly like a scam. [02:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naturally a scam [02:49]
asciilifeform but i have long wished to ascertain -what kind- of scam. [02:49]
asciilifeform afaik they are presently the only vendor offering (claimed) otptrons of whatever variety. [02:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform < this kind. [02:50]
assbot Reverse IP Lookup - ... ( ) [02:50]
asciilifeform ^ pathological misers also explain [02:50]
mircea_popescu hm ? [02:51]
asciilifeform but there is no question that sc4mz0r1ng. just that they do ship actual iron, it floats around. but i wish to learn, at some point, how they poison it [02:51]
mircea_popescu if they do ship what's the problem with ordering [02:51]
asciilifeform $maxint presumably [02:52]
asciilifeform and i have my doubts that they would sell to me in particular [02:52]
asciilifeform even if brought $maxint [02:52]
mircea_popescu so then misers ? eh... i bet you one thing, they'll gladly take your money. [02:53]
mircea_popescu "The creative essence within the story of “Troy Shanks (Athelete to Alchemist to Alpha)” is about Perpetual Regeneration to Levitational Perception. That is, the foundational biological imperative concept of Higher Health to Inner Wealth (Internal Paradise = External Reflection). [02:53]
mircea_popescu As virtually limitless amounts of cosmic epiphanies began to dawn on me, timeless transcendence of my timelessly presence in the ‘Holy Shift of B.S.’ (belief systems) about universal life started a Higher Truth transformation twist in my life from I to We (think illness to wellness)." [02:53]
asciilifeform this is by no means an urgent matter, i ask now so that possibly can learn answer year, two, three, from now. [02:53]
mircea_popescu and this, my dear friends, is what early schizophrenia looks like. [02:54]
asciilifeform and i bet folks using the diddled otptrons would be very excited to learn what has been done to them. [02:54]
mircea_popescu the word clustering is a very sad sign. [02:54]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the holy shit of bs i intend to steal, it's pretty good. [02:54]
asciilifeform fella needs to tune his shannonizer methinks [02:54]
asciilifeform at least, lubricate it on occasion [02:54]
asciilifeform it - almost audibly, squeaks. [02:55]
mircea_popescu the shanonizer in question runs on his own personal wetware, and the squeaks you hear have names. [02:55]
mircea_popescu "With so many words of wisdom at-hand to express my creative play on words, deciding which in-formation of thoughts, feelings, and actions to choose from to impose my identity with is not easy. Acting with effortless presence in a transcendental meditative state in our beautiful blue biosphere of biological beings is becoming the best, greatest, highest version of our SELF." [02:56]
asciilifeform re: certified nutters: did we ever get terry davis in here ? [02:56]
mircea_popescu shit's almost as good as timecube. [02:56]
mircea_popescu i dun think so. [02:56]
asciilifeform unlike every other schizo afaik, davis is not satisfied merely with wetware shannonizer [02:57]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: wavy's quote is "holy shiFt of bs" if it makes a difference. [02:57]
asciilifeform and uses a mechanical one of own design [02:57]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski o im aware. [02:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect that difference would be lost on him. [02:57]
asciilifeform << further re: mils corp. [03:00]
assbot Mils Electronic ... ( ) [03:00]
asciilifeform ^ the more recent history has the flavour of being literally copied from a spambrochure [03:01]
mircea_popescu Mils Electronic Gesmbh & does not have any Key Executives recorded. [03:04]
mircea_popescu bloomberg never heard of em [03:04]
asciilifeform i bet it's a walking corpse, like symbolics tech. 1998+ [03:04]
asciilifeform (holding co. owning assets of a historic carcass) [03:04]
asciilifeform either this, or 'crypto museum' has a great deal to answer for. [03:05]
asciilifeform and isn't it a private firm ? [03:06]
asciilifeform why would bloomberg et al necessarily know anything of it [03:06]
mircea_popescu wouldn't necessarily know anything, no. nevertheless... what government do they sell to ? turkmenistan ? [03:07]
asciilifeform these outfits don't normally sell to governments (outside of turkmenistan's weight class) - these issue gear to own personnel - [03:08]
asciilifeform but to likewise private concerns [03:08]
asciilifeform as the infamous crypto ag did (does!) [03:08]
mircea_popescu [03:08]
mircea_popescu there. [03:08]
assbot Mils-Electronic Gesellschaft m.b.H. & Co. Kommanditgesellschaft - IT-Dienstleistung - Firmeninfos - Handel, Information und Consulting - Firmen A-Z [03:09]
mircea_popescu one Otto Kugler. they've permits in relevant fields it seems. [03:10]
asciilifeform if the 'museum' is to be believed, these people - until very recently - sold exclusively vernamators. [03:10]
* asciilifeform wonders if the machines evolved in the same direction as mils's www site [03:11]
mircea_popescu want me to drop em an email see ? [03:13]
asciilifeform sure! [03:13]
asciilifeform imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset [03:14]
mircea_popescu anwyay, your museum piece doth not mention the ceo/cfo/etc kugler guy. [03:14]
asciilifeform 3) i won't spoil all of the surprises, but the usb gadget pictured in the photo on cryptomuseum's www does not look anywhere near large enough to contain, e.g., independent power source [03:15]
asciilifeform or auditable rng, etc. [03:15]
* asciilifeform to be [03:15]
asciilifeform d [03:15]
asciilifeform to bed. [03:15]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [03:20]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.64, Best ask: 237.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 237.69, 24 hour volume: 26606.23381427, 24 hour low: 227.81, 24 hour high: 239.79, 24 hour vwap: None [03:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.0002417 = 23.3724 BTC [-] [03:22]
mircea_popescu !rate punkman 1 Hangs around in #b-a [03:28]
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mircea_popescu !rate thickasthieves 1 Not seen for a while now. [03:29]
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mircea_popescu !rate ben_vulpes 4 B,TMSR~ secret spy and influence agent in Cascadia [03:31]
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cazalla <<< [03:32]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 04:50:27; mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ? [03:32]
assbot Seinfeld - Kramer and Newman sings bottles/cans - YouTube ... ( ) [03:32]
mircea_popescu cazalla srsly. [03:32]
mircea_popescu !rate asciilifeform 4 He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor. [03:33]
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mircea_popescu !rate fabianb 1 Not seen for a while now. [03:33]
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cazalla as a kid, some friends and i use to go around collecting cans, weekends were best after local cricket.. stuff some and in there for extra weight and earn yourself $2 for a bag of lollies [03:34]
cazalla if someone is willing to truck em interstate, all the more to em i say [03:34]
mircea_popescu srsly. [03:34]
cazalla stuff some sand i meant to say [03:35]
* cazalla has begun knocking back the booze [03:35]
mircea_popescu !rate davout 4 X.EUR, apparently working on the proper French pronounciation of "pogo" [03:35]
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mircea_popescu cazalla how's that working out ? [03:35]
cazalla drinking? i don't drink as much as i did before my short stint working, but now back at home each day, figured why not have a drink tonight [03:36]
mircea_popescu !rate azelphur 1 Not seen for a while now. [03:36]
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mircea_popescu i find myself drinking less and less ;/ [03:36]
cazalla well you probably don't have much reason to do so [03:36]
cazalla seeing the missus and kid 24/7 again drives one to crack open a bottle or two [03:37]
mircea_popescu !rate williamdunne 3 Nice work on the scoop. [03:37]
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mircea_popescu cazalla so take solace in work :D [03:37]
mircea_popescu !rate trinque 3 Nice work on the deedbot [03:37]
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mircea_popescu !rate danielpbarron 3 Logician in charge of logistics. [03:38]
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mircea_popescu !rate pizzaman1337 1 Not seen for a while now. [03:39]
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mircea_popescu !rate rdponticelli 1 Not seen for a while now. [03:40]
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mircea_popescu !unrate dwon [03:41]
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mircea_popescu !unrate splatster [03:42]
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mircea_popescu !unrate brendio [03:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124150 @ 0.00024837 = 30.8351 BTC [+] {4} [03:44]
mircea_popescu !unrate jine [03:44]
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* pete_dushenski curious, but too tired to see if he ends up plussed (or negged!) in this evening's ratings updates par mp. [03:44]
pete_dushenski with that, a demain ! [03:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128100 @ 0.00025071 = 32.116 BTC [+] {2} [03:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00024285 = 15.3724 BTC [-] [03:49]
mircea_popescu !rate phantomcircuit -10 One of the Bitcoinica scammers. Also famous for having sent the whole userbase the emails of the whole userbase back when he was running some derpy "exchange" thing. Altogether the lowest sort of scum infesting Bitcoin - whenever you interact with him god kills a kitten. [03:50]
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mircea_popescu how the fuck i missed that schmuck is beyond me. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;googe ident [03:50]
gribble Error: "googe" is not a valid command. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ident [03:50]
gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified. [03:50]
mircea_popescu shit i forgot how to do this. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth [03:51]
gribble (eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [03:51]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [03:51]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from [03:51]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d35caba4fd90515600914234ae6796f76d683934336b73edf405a4dd [03:52]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [03:52]
mircea_popescu ;;rated phantomcircuit [03:52]
gribble You rated user phantomcircuit on Tue Feb 10 15:24:55 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for (1 more message) [03:52]
mircea_popescu oh. okay. [03:52]
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funkenstein_ Adlai, some of these terms are kind of like "heap", they seem to want to avoid precise definition [12:55]
Adlai rather than answer my own question, I'll pose another... many moons ago, while applying for an exclusive elitist summer course for kids in philosophy or paradoxes or somesuch, the instructor interviewed each kid individually [12:56]
Adlai the interview consisted of a single question: "what is humor?" [12:57]
mircea_popescu so what did you say ? [12:57]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema lectia de humor [12:58]
ben_vulpes [12:58]
assbot The World's First $9 Computer Coming to Kickstarter | Make: ... ( ) [12:58]
gribble September 2009 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilenciclopedia on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; July 2010 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: [12:58]
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* ben_vulpes eagerly anticipates learning from asciilifeform what novel idiocy the "$9 compudder" ships with [12:59]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 1) it doesn't ship, it's a 'kickstarter' l0l [13:00]
asciilifeform 2) 'arm a9' as in the various popular boards like 'banana' [13:01]
Adlai mircea_popescu: the exact words have long since succumed to neoconservative GC, but something to the tune of "something is funny when it surprises the listener in a manner which makes sense in retrospect, but the speaker knew in advance was unexpected" [13:01]
mircea_popescu pretty much exact, yes. [13:02]
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Adlai !s jokester [13:03]
assbot 0 results for 'jokester' : [13:03]
Adlai this is an omission. << jokester [13:03]
assbot Science fiction ... ( ) [13:03]
gabriel_laddel if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi << ;; google east asian malnutrition IQ [13:03]
Adlai inline comments double semicolon plz [13:04]
mircea_popescu i do not see that if then thing follows. [13:05]
asciilifeform it's the liberast 'mandatory explanation' for africa. [13:05]
mircea_popescu i'm not going to call it a syllogism. what if you don't know you're missing x ? what thrones of china you're missing that you never had ? [13:05]
mircea_popescu it's idiotic. [13:05]
mircea_popescu for one thing, newton did not have a clean water supply. [13:05]
funkenstein_ gabriel_laddel, thnks interesting.. but my point was more along the lines of you have to at least have what it takes to stay alive [13:07]
gabriel_laddel funkenstein_: my point is more along the lines of even with "enough to stay alive" negros produce nothing of interest. [13:07]
mircea_popescu it does not take "clean water" to stay alive. [13:07]
funkenstein_ gabriel_laddel, then you aren't working with any [13:08]
mircea_popescu all it takes is a will to stay alive, which pointedly includes the will to drink your blood if ity comes to it. [13:08]
Adlai gabriel_laddel: you must have terrible taste in music [13:08]
mircea_popescu which explains exactly why plenty of people who manage to stay alive don't manage anything else. [13:08]
decimation I've been told by chinese engineer students that many in rural china survive on alcohol [13:09]
chetty egyptians mostly lived on beer [13:09]
funkenstein_ 72 hrs is the commonly stated lifetime of a person without water [13:09]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ it vastly depends on many circumstances. [13:10]
funkenstein_ true indeed [13:10]
funkenstein_ beer is mostly water btw [13:10]
asciilifeform chetty: very different beer from the watery crud of today [13:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, egypt still has an ancient network of clean water canisters, as a public service, a day's walk away from the others [13:10]
asciilifeform it was rather like a liquid bread. [13:10]
chetty indeed [13:10]
gabriel_laddel Adlai: Yup. [13:10]
assbot Crazy Astronaut - No Face Just Energy (feat. J. Fontinha) ᴴᴰ - YouTube ... ( ) [13:10]
mircea_popescu much like the churches in early north america [13:10]
mircea_popescu yo danielpbarron dun worry about it, "defo" means definitely. [13:11]
danielpbarron oh, re: eulora ? I wasn't worried :p [13:11]
Adlai gabriel_laddel: the presence of "feat" in the video title makes me highly suspicious and unwanting to click [13:12]
thestringpuller funkenstein_: beer is mostly sugar lol. trying to hydrate on beer isn't the best idea... [13:13]
gabriel_laddel Adlai: ok. [13:13]
Adlai some monks live off beer during lent [13:13]
assbot Ken Ashcorp - Dunkmaster Yi (League of Legends Champion Rocks) - YouTube ... ( ) [13:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0002406 = 2.0692 BTC [+] [13:14]
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mircea_popescu kinda how/why beer was invented [13:16]
mircea_popescu for the needs of the roman military and then church. [13:17]
pete_dushenski ha! so that latins *can* invent things. (unless this too was stolen from china ?) [13:18]
mircea_popescu egypt. [13:18]
* pete_dushenski gives up. [13:19]
mircea_popescu love ya :) [13:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe. [13:19]
mircea_popescu mostly, germania. [13:20]
diametric mircea_popescu: got the mail, thanks. [13:26]
mircea_popescu yw. [13:27]
mats ;;ticker [13:29]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.65, Best ask: 246.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.66, 24 hour volume: 35052.50252707, 24 hour low: 231.41, 24 hour high: 249.0, 24 hour vwap: None [13:29]
mats it moves [13:29]
mircea_popescu hehe [13:29]
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pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [13:30]
mats so, i got two weeks notice today [13:30]
gribble Current Blocks: 355539 | Current Difficulty: 47643398017.803 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48750393774.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.3235 [13:30]
pete_dushenski mats: brutalzore [13:30]
pete_dushenski you have something else lined up ? [13:31]
mircea_popescu mats what did you use to do, i forget ? [13:31]
mats delivery on key server project may take an additional month or two [13:31]
mats i did a mix of front and back office IT support [13:34]
mircea_popescu aha [13:34]
asciilifeform mats: waitasec i thought you were a reverser [13:34]
mats nope... that's a hobby [13:34]
asciilifeform or was that just a side thing [13:34]
asciilifeform aha [13:34]
mircea_popescu i guess he was underemployed [13:34]
mats pete_dushenski: notrly. i'm actually thinking about taking six months to a year off, my carpal tunnel has been getting worse recently so the timing may be fortuitous after all [13:39]
mircea_popescu going traveling etc ? [13:40]
mats ha. i'll probably move to a shithole like Lowell (for the low rent), and read a mountain of books [13:40]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [13:41]
mircea_popescu i lived there, had nfi it's a shithole! [13:41]
pete_dushenski mats: a sabbatical, nice ! and from personal experience, carpal tunnel is definitely a hindrance. [13:41]
pete_dushenski i have nfi how mine eventually went away. physio is the most likely explanation. [13:42]
mats its not terrible, mostly a hispanic and south-east asian almost-ghetto nao [13:42]
pete_dushenski mats mebbe try out ims ? [13:42]
mats wassat [13:42]
pete_dushenski (intramuscular stimulation) [13:42]
mircea_popescu heh. a decade or so ago it was undergoing "revival", they had all these plans to attract "artists" and gentrify the area. [13:42]
pete_dushenski more aggressive accupunture [13:42]
mircea_popescu i guess it didn't catch. [13:42]
pete_dushenski *acupuncture [13:43]
mats lotta cambodians in lowell [13:43]
mats which is appropriate, i'd say, because cambodians are like the black people of asia [13:43]
mircea_popescu used to be a few spanish a few azn some people from africa (as opposed to us blacks) [13:43]
mircea_popescu just enough to have decent bread and whatnot. but mostly white [13:43]
mats pete_dushenski: i'll talk to a physician about it. [13:44]
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pete_dushenski i'd recommend it. [13:44]
pete_dushenski i still go for treatment once a month for maintenance, was once a week at first [13:45]
mats the frustrating thing is that i've had carpal tunnel since 18, and it actually went away after four months in basic training/AIT [13:45]
gabriel_laddel mats: [13:45]
assbot How I Cured my RSI Pain ... ( ) [13:45]
gabriel_laddel I can vouch for Aaron not being a shmuck. [13:46]
mats but it came back in half a year after i kept working on a shite toshiba ultrabook [13:46]
mircea_popescu never EVER work on a laptop. [13:47]
chetty wear a wrist brace while you are using a computer [13:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85250 @ 0.00024185 = 20.6177 BTC [+] [13:56]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel: interesting stuff. [13:58]
pete_dushenski i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night). [13:59]
pete_dushenski eg. [13:59]
assbot Better Posture in 4 minutes: Dr. Eric Goodman shares 3 simple Foundation Training exercises. - YouTube ... ( ) [13:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform upon further meditation : the sum total of neededchanges to phuctor is, make keys introduced via web go to top of pile, while keys introduced by cutter of db go to bottom of pile. this is all, really. [14:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was my thought as well [14:00]
mircea_popescu yeah. and that's it, can be set in stone afterwards. [14:00]
asciilifeform i'll adjust it as soon as i also figure out the db locking thing [14:00]
mircea_popescu works. [14:00]
asciilifeform (responsible for a good chunk of the current delay) [14:01]
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trinque mircea_popescu: Nice work on the deedbot << thanks, fun project. [14:01]
mircea_popescu the day debian lost its future. [14:01]
mircea_popescu nobody knew, but what a sad day indeed it was! [14:01]
asciilifeform when was this day [14:02]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: why are you sitting?! [14:02]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what day was this? [14:02]
mircea_popescu today. when it was decided that "well, we don't really give a shit about the debian-dominated gpg strong set" [14:02]
mircea_popescu lowered into pederasty if there ever was such a thing [14:02]
mircea_popescu (maybe i'm just sentimental, i used to actually like them) [14:03]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i stand a bit, mebbe 10% of the time. [14:03]
asciilifeform one of the few remaining quasi-civilized linuxen [14:05]
asciilifeform (for the time being) [14:05]
mircea_popescu yes, but the difference between "my wife/slavegirl/twu wuv/we you call it" and "this cunt i'm fucking for the time being" is the only real difference in the world. [14:06]
mircea_popescu everything else is built of this [14:06]
mircea_popescu having failed to make the cut... [14:07]
asciilifeform i learned this as 'no one dies to defend his hotel' [14:11]
scoopbot_revived Introducing the Bitcoin ISP [14:11]
mircea_popescu diametric ^ look what you started! [14:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty good, whence from ? [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150800 @ 0.00024 = 36.192 BTC [-] {2} [14:12]
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asciilifeform damned if i remember. possibly mr mold [14:13]
mircea_popescu ancient trilema article, same idea "your country as a hotel ; or a change of perspective". [14:14]
mircea_popescu was kinda curious who else had it [14:14]
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mircea_popescu << all that google dregs up worth the mention [14:16]
assbot Police were Concerned for Man’s Safety, So they Broke into His Hotel Room and Shot Him to Death | The Free Thought Project ... ( ) [14:16]
mircea_popescu << dude, he just fills the chan with random stuff nobody understands! [14:19]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 10:03:53; cazalla: unban vexual da fuck is this racism against true blue australians : [14:19]
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mircea_popescu a) that tony robinson dude is pretty disorganised in speech ; b) lol! [14:23]
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mircea_popescu neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up [14:30]
asciilifeform << l0ltr0nic [14:30]
assbot Whistleblower accuses cybersecurity company of extorting clients - May. 7, 2015 ... ( ) [14:30]
davout gavinandresen: "wumpus: yes. An increase to the max block size must be preceded or accompanied by a limit on the UTXO set size, I think." <<< top kek [14:30]
mircea_popescu lol they seriously still going with that stupid shit ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu what is this, "fell in the latrine, can't help but flail arms now" [14:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is this a "grassroots" "whistleblower" ? :D [14:32]
davout "we heard you didn't like limits, so we put a limit in your removal of limits so you can limit while not being limited" [14:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: damned if i know. but it's hilarious. [14:32]
asciilifeform and i bet - largely factual [14:32]
mircea_popescu "In 2010, Tiversa scammed LabMD, a cancer testing center in Atlanta, Wallace testified. Wallace said he tapped into LabMD's computers and pulled the medical records." [14:33]
mircea_popescu so how exactly was this NOT a hack [14:33]
mircea_popescu "We were a small company," he said. "It's not like we had millions of dollars to fight this and tons of employees." << yeah, the fetlife style. "we suck, but that's ok because we are small". herpy-derp, stick to twitter. [14:34]
mircea_popescu "LabMD wasn't the first time Tiversa's false hacks made national news," so how is it false ? [14:34]
asciilifeform ianal - but what, i wonder, is the american law re: extortion using regulatory officials? i.e. can you demand $x to stay silent about rats in a restaurant ? [14:34]
mircea_popescu obviously ? [14:35]
mircea_popescu that's the entire fucking insistution of the settlement. [14:35]
mircea_popescu "you fucked up, eiother you pay me or i sue" [14:35]
asciilifeform settlement, irrc, is a tort law concept and doesn't work in criminal law (outside of medieval 'bote', 'weregeld', etc) [14:35]
asciilifeform the impression i got from the linked piece is that the hackability of derpco. or whatnot was a crown criminal matter [14:36]
mircea_popescu so how did brock pierce avoid 20 to life then ? [14:36]
asciilifeform asset. [14:36]
mircea_popescu yes, but formally. [14:36]
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mircea_popescu he... settled. [14:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00024616 = 26.1176 BTC [+] [14:36]
mircea_popescu with the victims, or as michael jackson's hologram would say, "ALLEGED!!1" [14:37]
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asciilifeform one can bribe a victim to avoid the latter filing charges. but crown has the option to prosecute if it wants [14:37]
mircea_popescu !up SamouraiWallet [14:37]
-assbot- You voiced SamouraiWallet for 30 minutes. [14:37]
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SamouraiWallet Hello, thank you mircea_popescu [14:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no standing without witness. [14:37]
SamouraiWallet getting setup on wot right now [14:37]
mircea_popescu sure SamouraiWallet . who're you ? [14:37]
davout <<< apparently gavinandresen is looking at backpedaling without losing face [14:38]
SamouraiWallet Just a fan of this irc channel and some of the people here [14:38]
assbot UTXO uh-oh… ... ( ) [14:38]
mircea_popescu cool. [14:38]
asciilifeform wtf is with the 'ninja' preoccupation of usg muppets [14:38]
asciilifeform is there a hidden meaning i'm not aware of ? [14:38]
mircea_popescu davout would not work, if he still had any face to lose. but as it is, will necessarily work : has nothing left, therefore nothing to be lost. [14:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform plenty. the ninja is the warrior closestly approximable by sitting on ass at computer. [14:39]
davout yea sure [14:39]
asciilifeform iirc actual ninjas - moved. [14:39]
mircea_popescu invisibly. [14:39]
asciilifeform what'd they do - recon ? iirc. [14:40]
mircea_popescu you can't prove he's not a ninja, goes the broken mental process, because maybe you just didn't see iot. [14:40]
asciilifeform something entirely reasonable [14:40]
mircea_popescu this is LITERALLY how it goes, tho they're broadly unaware of it. [14:40]
mircea_popescu << roflmao [14:41]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 11:54:53; cazalla: toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you [14:41]
chetty << seriously wonders how mp does so well getting in the head (if they have them) of various libtards [14:41]
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SamouraiWallet Should be registered now :) [14:42]
mircea_popescu bdsm. [14:43]
mircea_popescu !gettrust SamouraiWallet [14:43]
assbot SamouraiWallet is not registered in WoT. [14:43]
mircea_popescu mebbe not. [14:43]
SamouraiWallet hm [14:43]
mircea_popescu !h [14:43]
assbot [14:43]
mircea_popescu ^ [14:43]
SamouraiWallet back to drawing board [14:43]
asciilifeform 'Allowing more transactions with no other changes would very likely accelerate the UTXO set growth, making it more expensive, more quickly, to run a fully validating node. And worst case would be twenty times as expensive; $10,000 per year. Affordable for a business, not for an individual.' << but now that he said this, next tack will be 'individuals have no business running nodes, only Responsible Licensed Businesses ought .. [14:43]
asciilifeform . ' etc [14:43]
mircea_popescu heh [14:43]
mircea_popescu when we were discussiong this in january, he had talked to economists that said it's not true... [14:44]
mircea_popescu now it's true ? [14:44]
asciilifeform either this, or the old favourite 'this did not happen, i did not say this' [14:44]
mircea_popescu wtf happened to those economists, have they lost their echonomy jobs because of it ? [14:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha right along with orwell's 'the jingo with a bullet hole in him' [14:44]
mircea_popescu (to the more broad general point : an authority, perceived or actual, that faces absolutely no danger in case his pronouncements turn out to be wrong, CAN NOT BE USED AS AN AUTHORITY) [14:45]
asciilifeform [14:45]
assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:27:30; asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death' [14:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for the record, osama bin laden took it upon himself to deliver a dozen jingos with shards in them right @ 1, Police Plaza [14:46]
mircea_popescu or w/e it's called. [14:46]
mircea_popescu the thing does exist. [14:46]
chetty mircea_popescu: That statement pretty much sinks every professor and what not in the entire us [14:46]
asciilifeform exists, yes [14:46]
asciilifeform but rare. [14:46]
mircea_popescu chetty sucks to be them, then. [14:46]
mircea_popescu but the idea that scientists are not authorities doesn't really need much explanation, to anyone outside of the libertard coolaid club. [14:47]
mircea_popescu all fucking science exists as maybes, that's what it is. piles of hypotheses. just like no one can ever turn an ethic should into an engineering is, just so no one can turn a scientific maybe into an auctorial do it. [14:47]
chetty more to the point, science is not authoritative. (at least most of it is only theory) [14:48]
mircea_popescu exactly. [14:49]
mircea_popescu (and by no one can, i mean systematically. obviously one can, but only as an individual act. only ever as an individual act) [14:49]
mircea_popescu << i would like to clarify this point at this time, by underscoring that while i do undertake some expense out of pocket, and that may well appear as an untrivial ammount, especially in terms of one's own household, nevertheless : 1) it is trivial compared to the tasks at hand, indiscutably and 2) B,TMSR~ runs immense deficits, as discussed in [14:52]
mircea_popescu 15/the-definitive-sovereign/ which are currently financed principally through voluntary donations of the citizenry, in the shape of time, know-how, expertise etc. [14:52]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 12:02:19; gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket. [14:52]
assbot 2001: A Space Odyssey on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:52]
mircea_popescu an exact tally is not even avaoilable. [14:52]
asciilifeform how would you even begin a tally, l0l [14:55]
mircea_popescu irk? [14:55]
mircea_popescu but the superiority of la serenissima over the fiat pretend-sovereigns is resplendent in all parts and throughout. here for instance : at least we don't even attempt the impossible, [14:56]
mircea_popescu instead of going crazy in a labirinth of pretense. [14:56]
mircea_popescu there's prolly going to be decades ellapsed before the immensity of just this one shift is even noticed, let alone fully discussed. [14:56]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the golden age of fedualism worked EXACTLY the same : while a king indisputably expended out of his purse, and amounts that were not trivial in terms of individual households, nevertheless the entire machine worked on the wilful donations of ten thousand knights, that actually lived their life in accordance with this particular model deliberately. [14:58]
mircea_popescu otherwise, how much do you pay a man to go die in palestina or w/e. [14:59]
mats via /. [14:59]
assbot x0r1/jellyfish · GitHub ... ( ) [15:00]
asciilifeform without this clear thread, one is reduced to 'dulce et decorum est' and other mind games [15:00]
mircea_popescu myeah. [15:00]
mircea_popescu well.. it is, in this context it actually is. [15:00]
mats > Jellyfish is a Linux based userland gpu rootkit proof of concept project utilizing the LD_PRELOAD technique from Jynx (CPU), as well as the OpenCL API developed by Khronos group (GPU). [15:00]
mircea_popescu pretty impressive mats [15:00]
mircea_popescu "Gpu can be used for fast/swift mathematical calculations like xor'ing or parsing" [15:00]
mats linked article [15:01]
mircea_popescu what this is saying is, "Scarf up cpu data, crack it on video card, good to go" [15:01]
mats yay DMA [15:02]
mircea_popescu dma is actually one of the principal reasons i agree with alf's "current computing stack must die" [15:02]
mircea_popescu because really, trying to rewrite it without dma ... might as well start over. [15:02]
asciilifeform think of gpu as simply a very poorly documented coprocessor [15:02]
asciilifeform that, for some inexplicable reason, most folks have in their box. [15:03]
mats and utterly unsecured. [15:03]
asciilifeform 'secured' is a meaningless word [15:03]
mats afaik only high-end cards have firmware signatures [15:06]
asciilifeform as if you necessarily need to reflash the card here [15:06]
mircea_popescu mats who is going to check that signature ? [15:06]
mircea_popescu if the byzantine problem had a systematic solution, we wouldn't be here. [15:06]
asciilifeform mats: the signature thing, when the chipset actually checks on coldboot, is to keep folks from overclocking their cheapo cards [15:07]
asciilifeform has nothing to do with 'secure' in the human sense of the word. [15:07]
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mats series about how GPUs are implemented [15:12]
assbot A trip through the Graphics Pipeline 2011: Index | The ryg blog ... ( ) [15:13]
mike_c how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. [15:14]
mats asciilifeform: yes, i know. just wanted to share... in terms of security features GPUs will just blindly run whatever binary you feed it, without any kind of validation. [15:14]
asciilifeform just like cpu l0l [15:15]
asciilifeform what, you'd rather have nintendo-style jail ? [15:15]
mike_c I guess because everyone except me is already on the damn thing. [15:15]
mats i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have [15:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175550 @ 0.00024846 = 43.6172 BTC [+] {3} [15:16]
mike_c anyway, kudos mircea_popescu. are you going to publish a price sheet or is it case-by-case? [15:17]
mircea_popescu gotta ask for what you want, get a quote. [15:17]
mike_c k [15:17]
diametric mircea_popescu: haha, awesome. congrats on your new business =) [15:18]
asciilifeform mats: i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have << but it is not difficult to arrive at what one would rather -not- have. as (i think it was) mircea_popescu wrote, 'i don't lay eggs, but...' [15:20]
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BingoBoingo [15:24]
assbot Police Chief: North Las Vegas mayor got special treatment in child porn investigation | Las Vegas Review-Journal ... ( ) [15:24]
mats that series i linked is one of the best i've read about how modern GPUs work [15:25]
mats cutting edge for the time, not anymore; for example GPUs nao have onboard MMUs to support virtual addressing ('Virtual Texturing', specifically) [15:25]
mats this kinda shit is my #1 time-waster. i find something neat and go down the rabbit hole for a week. [15:27]
asciilifeform mats: the rootkit thing is interesting for another reason. remember the era of gpu mining? there were thousands of idiots distributing 'bfgminer' etc. as crapware payload. [15:27]
mircea_popescu gotta learn to focus mats [15:28]
asciilifeform the gotchas is that -not a single one of these payloads- worked [15:28]
asciilifeform unless chump had opencl drivers installed [15:28]
mats asciilifeform: lol [15:28]
asciilifeform (scarcely anyone on the planet does) [15:28]
asciilifeform utter, complete cargo cult. [15:28]
asciilifeform from day 1. [15:28]
mats incompetent crapware artists? [15:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a) you can install it. b) it might become common in futuree. [15:28]
asciilifeform there was no possible answer [15:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is unique per card [15:28]
asciilifeform per submodel, in fact [15:28]
mircea_popescu enen so [15:29]
mircea_popescu even* [15:29]
asciilifeform i personally collected hundreds of examples of such crud, not a single one made any attempt to install opencl [15:29]
mircea_popescu ya well [15:29]
asciilifeform to do it, one would need to reverse thousands of individual vendor driver packages [15:29]
mircea_popescu the sucvess of the past is no guarantee fore the failure of the future or how did that sec-mandated thing go [15:29]
asciilifeform and extract all possible variants [15:29]
mircea_popescu [15:29]
asciilifeform not impossible, but uneconomical given the (even in that era's mining difficulty) reward [15:30]
mircea_popescu think about it this way : if you reverse 5, out of thousands, but not randomly picked, you can now install on what, 1% of the base ? 10% ? [15:30]
asciilifeform 0.1 [15:30]
mircea_popescu 0.1% out of an internet of things = a decent living. [15:31]
asciilifeform (most chumpnet idiots have ruinously obsolete hardware) [15:31]
mircea_popescu for how long ? [15:31]
asciilifeform for ever ? [15:32]
asciilifeform obsolete is a time delay thing [15:32]
mircea_popescu but the train stopped. [15:32]
asciilifeform the gpu train. the asic train is barely steaming yet. [15:32]
mircea_popescu this is a gpu thing. [15:32]
asciilifeform (afaik no one has even produced a true (non-metalloidfpga) asic yet) [15:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is the true risk of stopping trains : all this long tail of shit that was supposed to be "never" catches up with you [15:33]
asciilifeform yes, but if gpu stopped (as perhaps it has) then it is quite useless to hijack them for this purpose given that asic remains in motion [15:33]
mircea_popescu why ? you want to steal people's bank credentials and nude pics, [15:33]
mircea_popescu not mine bitcoin [15:33]
asciilifeform then - sure [15:34]
mats fun fact: there is a PostScript ASIC. [15:34]
asciilifeform mats: was, even, in '80s iirc [15:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.00025032 = 22.0532 BTC [+] {2} [15:36]
BingoBoingo The fish, it is very hard to kill. I keep holding it under the water, but it will not drown! [15:36]
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mircea_popescu trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that resolves ? [15:37]
assbot Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( ) [15:37]
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mircea_popescu << ideally the lamb learns its place by merely being shown the knife. [15:38]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 12:04:56; cazalla: if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others [15:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80734 @ 0.00025106 = 20.2691 BTC [+] [15:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, but where is the pig that turns into sausage merely by being shown the knife. [15:39]
mircea_popescu from what i hear, in lisp. [15:39]
asciilifeform nah, there he is born pre-digested. [15:39]
mircea_popescu lol [15:39]
trinque mircea_popescu trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that << that site currenty redirects to the uniregistry thing, should instead redirect to{txn_id}.txt [15:40]
assbot Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( ) [15:40]
mircea_popescu hm. [15:40]
trinque and I need to rename my deed files so they're named like that [15:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can redirect to{txn_id}.txt ? [15:41]
assbot Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( ) [15:41]
trinque which I'll do when next I'm hacking on it [15:41]
mircea_popescu << it's valid, but misleading. most of dna is "junk", or otherwise put "not directly obvious it actually does anything" [15:42]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 15:36:17; gabriel_laddel: Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84% [15:42]
mats fun fact: Android ASLR is shit because it has a 'zygote' model for processes, which forks but does not execve [15:42]
mircea_popescu why not ? [15:43]
mircea_popescu Recently there has been a flurry of posts by Gavin at which advocate << lol just how many blogs is this guy keeping [15:44]
assbot Gavin Andresen ... ( ) [15:44]
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asciilifeform mats: i very much see aslr as the proverbial 'teacher's condom', as per [15:44]
assbot xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( ) [15:44]
mats i believe its an optimization [15:45]
asciilifeform wat?!! [15:45]
asciilifeform fuck no. [15:45]
mats addressing mircea_popescu [15:45]
mats it saves android from spinning up a dalvik VM from scratch afaik [15:45]
mircea_popescu mats admittedly i'm clueless, but how does this optimize anything [15:45]
mircea_popescu oh oh [15:45]
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Adlai "not directly obvious it actually does anything" << same way it's not directly obvious that the ceramic casing around your CPU does anything [15:47]
mats asciilifeform: monkey patch for sure, but it does have its place... with a dozen other mitigations. [15:47]
asciilifeform mats: fuck mitigation. [15:48]
asciilifeform how about - incineration. [15:48]
Adlai mats: thoughts on ART? [15:48]
Adlai not the dead kind, the android kind [15:48]
mircea_popescu Adlai not a good example, it's directly obviouswhat that does. [15:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly the fpga/dragonfly thread relates. [15:49]
mircea_popescu in any case, claiming a z80 and a pentium 6 are "99.84% identical" on the grounds of mass spectrometry is about as apt. [15:49]
asciilifeform (re: 'junk') [15:49]
Adlai not when you set out to discover which changes it effects in the ALU, and then say, "oh, eip never points at the ceramics, thus they're useless" [15:49]
mircea_popescu still not very valid a comparison, because no thiamine ever links to.. acell wall. [15:50]
asciilifeform you won't find it linking to 'oxygen must have 16 protons' either [15:51]
Adlai a better way of saying this is that: while dna is a great example of "code is data"; most of the data not being code for gene transcription does not directly imply that it has no other use [15:51]
asciilifeform and yes, one of my ancient beefs with biological 'state of the art' is that folks deliberately ignore non-genetic mechanisms of inheritance [15:51]
asciilifeform because there be dragons or somesuch. [15:51]
mircea_popescu yeah, but now you're arguing with a straw man. i never said it doesn't, i just said as far as we know, it might as well not. [15:52]
mircea_popescu and if as far as we know it might as well not, that makes 84% or w/e comparisons untenable. irrespective of what may or may not be the case. [15:52]
Adlai for example, some dna plays the role of attracting (or repelling) the transcription machinery, to influence which other dna gets transcribed [15:53]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [15:53]
Adlai the XX% figure just goes to show that personhood is a little beyond biology [15:53]
asciilifeform lolwut [15:53]
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mircea_popescu housing roofs also play the role of attracting (or repelling) hot sexy soaking wet babes to your perch for the purpose of you getting a blowjob. [15:54]
mircea_popescu but that's because you happened to take refuge from the rain there, has little to do with the roof. [15:54]
Adlai you'll still need the roof to do its job right. can't have sudden cold trickles at inopportune moments [15:55]
mircea_popescu or maybe you can, at some moments. or who knows. [15:55]
mircea_popescu which shows us the problem in all its nude glory : ad hoc systems are unrepresentable. [15:56]
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Adlai wasn't it richard gabriel who summarized darwin as "worse is better"? [15:56]
mircea_popescu mmmm [15:56]
mircea_popescu maybe [15:56]
asciilifeform 'greedy algorithm' is best analogy here. [15:56]
asciilifeform (it has a usable mathematical definition, for instance) [15:57]
asciilifeform !s greedy algorithm [15:57]
assbot 0 results for 'greedy algorithm' : [15:57]
asciilifeform << intro [15:57]
mircea_popescu no i know what it is. [15:57]
mircea_popescu "at every node, visit the unvisited house closest" [15:57]
mircea_popescu very succint, always quick, rarely find the global solution. [15:58]
mats Adlai: as far as i can tell, its unequivocally better than dalvik [15:59]
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mircea_popescu !up SamouraiWallet [16:02]
-assbot- You voiced SamouraiWallet for 30 minutes. [16:02]
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* asciilifeform l0lz at no one noticing his mistake with oxygen [16:03]
Adlai any venture into the "mobile" world causes me to run screaming back to real computers [16:03]
mircea_popescu in rabbit news, [16:04]
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SamouraiWallet Thank you [16:04]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought it was deliberate ? [16:04]
asciilifeform aha sure. [16:04]
Adlai asciilifeform: well the number is written right above it [16:04]
mircea_popescu SamouraiWallet didja manage ? [16:04]
SamouraiWallet yes [16:04]
mircea_popescu !gettrust SamouraiWallet [16:04]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user SamouraiWallet: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [16:04]
mircea_popescu o look at that. [16:04]
mircea_popescu !rate SamouraiWallet 1 New blood [16:05]
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mircea_popescu mike_c one idea i had while falling asleep : would it be feasible to save a snapshot of wot.svg each night before update ? [16:05]
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mircea_popescu could make a timelapse in a year or ten. [16:06]
mike_c that is a cool idea. yes. [16:06]
mircea_popescu how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it. [16:14]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: doubt they'd notice [16:15]
asciilifeform it's not exactly a public derpual, this isp. [16:15]
mike_c qntra's slipping today. Gavin beats a hasty retreat and new Bitcoin ISP. [16:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64099 @ 0.00025403 = 16.2831 BTC [+] {2} [16:17]
mircea_popescu !up tttesstt [16:17]
-assbot- You voiced tttesstt for 30 minutes. [16:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda my plan : apply lessons learned in crowd repelling from mpex, mpoe-pr, bitbet practice. [16:18]
mircea_popescu yet there's bout to be some "what do you mean my 10 dollah gift certificate/reddit gold/whatever doesn't buy me anything!111" [16:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c now that's a point. yo cazalla ! BingoBoingo ! THE NEWS IS CHASING YOU! [16:19]
BingoBoingo Writing up the ISP atm [16:19]
mircea_popescu a cool [16:19]
asciilifeform not as if there aren't a couplea dozen vps crud isps who will take the 10 dollah [16:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol you sound very happy with your box [16:20]
asciilifeform aha [16:20]
mircea_popescu anywya, ima go practice the roof theory. [16:20]
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mike_c That gavin thing has to be written up. I mean.. this is what he chooses to backpedal on? [16:22]
asciilifeform mike_c: strategic retreat [16:22]
mike_c but whatever. as long as it dies. [16:22]
asciilifeform he hasn't surrendered [16:23]
mod6 mircea_popescu: congrats on the Bitcoin ISP! [16:23]
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trinque !up HeySteve [16:30]
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HeySteve hey [16:30]
trinque hello [16:30]
trinque what brings you here? [16:31]
HeySteve internet tubes I suppose! [16:31]
trinque which ones? [16:31]
HeySteve the ones leading from South Africa [16:31]
HeySteve used to be semi-regular here back in my crypto journo days [16:32]
trinque ah, well wb [16:32]
HeySteve thanks, taking an irc break while gf naps [16:32]
HeySteve assuming things are quiet here atm? [16:33]
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trinque HeySteve: just depends when you're on [16:34]
HeySteve not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently [16:35]
HeySteve something about not being corruptible by corporate or political influence [16:36]
miaviator Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [16:40]
mircea_popescu mike_c so write it! not like you write badly or anything. [16:40]
mircea_popescu danke mod6 :D [16:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1049 @ 0.00101601 = 1.0658 BTC [-] {2} [16:40]
mircea_popescu the mpoe crowd eh ? [16:41]
mats mp corrupts [16:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness, this is a trope of contemporaneity. thoroughly broke "feminist" graduate student reduced to waiting tables for rest of life will STILL not "surrender". ie, admit the banruptcy of his own stupidity, to himself. [16:42]
mike_c I don't write badly, but I also don't write quickly.. my writing muscles are weak. [16:42]
mircea_popescu the only thing that does is, prevent him from healing. [16:42]
mod6 Here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Nuke: [16:42]
assbot ... ( ) [16:42]
mike_c ;;later tell pete_dushenski would surely do the gavin retreat justice on qntra. [16:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:43]
mircea_popescu mod6 this is running on what ? did you ever say ? [16:43]
davout HeySteve: yea, told me the reason he didn't came here is that he doesn't get along with mircea_popescu [16:43]
mircea_popescu orly o.O [16:43]
mircea_popescu dude this shit, where i say something and it gets confirmed two lines down. ima go have a drink. [16:44]
mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, i did put a `uname -a` in this latest dpaste, but its: AWS m3.medium debian6 x86_64 with 3.5Gb RAM [16:45]
mod6 oh my bad, I thought it said "debian " somewhere in that dpaste. that's weak. [16:45]
mircea_popescu just says xen. [16:46]
mod6 yah :/ [16:46]
mircea_popescu which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work. [16:46]
mod6 root@ip-M-O-D-6:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150504-orphanage-nuke/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# dmesg | head -10 | grep "Debian" [16:48]
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mod6 [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze10) ( (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun Dec 21 18:33:39 UTC 2014 [16:49]
mod6 this is the actual gcc version on the env: [16:49]
mod6 # gcc --version [16:49]
mod6 gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 [16:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195922 @ 0.00025441 = 49.8445 BTC [-] {4} [16:50]
mircea_popescu << this is the rest of us when specs are being dumped. [16:50]
assbot ... ( ) [16:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu pov blowjob shot ? [16:51]
mod6 hahah [16:51]
mats ^ lol what [16:51]
mod6 sorry [16:52]
mats not you, asciilifeform [16:52]
mod6 i was apologizing for the spec dump. [16:52]
mircea_popescu mats, too frail to be a ranger, to slow to be a troll... is there no place under the sun left for him ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu mod6 nono, it's good. creates a record, we have it for 5 years later when we've foprgotten [16:53]
mats i can deliver pizzas to chix like the above [16:53]
mircea_popescu mats you know there was an entire paysite dedicated to the concept of pizza-surprise. [16:53]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ah, yah. good deal. [16:53]
asciilifeform i thought the traditional variant was 'plumber surprise' [16:53]
mats mircea_popescu: go on [16:53]
mircea_popescu [16:55]
assbot Big sausage pizza - porn review ... ( ) [16:55]
HeySteve cock burns via molten mozzarella probably not worth the prank [16:59]
HeySteve I recommend the surprise in the popcorn box at the movies option [17:00]
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mats o hey i recognize the actor. [17:02]
mats classic stuff apparently. [17:02]
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kakobrekla < i think that is outside of my capabilities [17:10]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 18:36:49; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can redirect to{txn_id}.txt ? [17:10]
kakobrekla i dont have access to deeds server [17:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.0002481 = 3.6595 BTC [+] [17:27]
scoopbot_revived Bitcoin ISP Unveiled [17:31]
trinque kakobrekla: it's that which needs to 301 over [17:32]
trinque currently it goes to that registrar instead [17:32]
trinque probably a setting in the registrar's panel [17:32]
trinque so one way of handling it would be to have nginx or whatever's hosting do the redirect [17:33]
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kakobrekla last time someone asked me to do a perma redirect from deeds. to which I did [17:48]
kakobrekla the way to handle it is to have an a record pointing to deeds servers ip [17:49]
trinque that's not going to work; deeds are on static hosting on s3 [17:49]
kakobrekla yes its hard to work with shit. [17:49]
trinque s3's doing a fine job for what I'm asking of it [17:50]
kakobrekla then case closed. [17:50]
trinque why is that URL mircea_popescu wanted going to [17:51]
trinque this is nothing to do with the s3 hosting [17:51]
kakobrekla dns cant do url rewrites [17:52]
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trinque kakobrekla: that I'm aware of; but what box is issuing the 301 there [17:53]
kakobrekla uniregistry dns [17:54]
kakobrekla [17:56]
assbot ... ( ) [17:56]
trinque kakobrekla: ah, ok [18:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108843 @ 0.00024569 = 26.7416 BTC [-] {2} [18:03]
trinque mircea_popescu: I'll move the static deed hosting to a box with IP soon, then ask kakobrekla to cname the domain to its IP [18:03]
trinque *with an IP [18:03]
BingoBoingo [18:04]
assbot St. Louis fitness trainer apologizes about 'fat-shaming' fan at Cards game : Lifestyles ... ( ) [18:04]
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diametric mircea_popescu: so whats the bitcoin isps stance on bittorrent and dmca violations? [18:26]
mircea_popescu bittorrent is legitimate. dmca altogether depends. what exactly ? [18:33]
mircea_popescu trinque good idea. [18:34]
asciilifeform << mega-l0l ( plain text: ) [18:37]
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diametric mircea_popescu: movies and warez mostly. not sure your opinion on the subject. [18:40]
mircea_popescu shit. now i gotta come up with an opinion on this subject [18:41]
mircea_popescu fucking spittoon [18:41]
asciilifeform l0l [18:41]
asciilifeform schloooourpr. [18:41]
diametric mircea_popescu, a better question, what will you or your upstream provider do if given a dmca request to remove an ip participating in a bittorrent swarm, or a request for the customer information? [18:44]
mircea_popescu if they come here and make a good case, they'd get it. if not... nothing. [18:44]
diametric actually physically travel there? [18:45]
* asciilifeform tries to picture this scene actually playing out, melts brain [18:45]
mircea_popescu i can see the case, i tell you. quentin tarantino makes a new movie, it's on your box before release, he comes here and goes OMFGWTFBBQ what am i supposed to say ? fuck you, give us free shit ? [18:45]
mircea_popescu diametric here, as in #b-a. [18:45]
diametric gotcha [18:46]
mircea_popescu really, it's not intended as a thing to fuck with people from. it's intended as a thing where to be safe from people fucking with you. [18:47]
asciilifeform aha but where does 'my fist' end and 'his nose' begin [18:47]
mircea_popescu you're really enjoying this, aren't you. [18:48]
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asciilifeform from mr warez's point of view, he's throwing packets and orcs come to fuck with him [18:48]
asciilifeform there we go [18:48]
mircea_popescu omfg rebellion and insurection! [18:48]
jurov but, really, congrats to bisp! [18:49]
mircea_popescu for now it'll be "no, really, you can't take wikileaks dump down. even if it does 'endanger the lives of agents'". [18:50]
mircea_popescu maybe in the future it'll be "no, really, if you made a movie it's not your movie", but i think that's more than a graph node away. [18:50]
jurov (and pls check mpex quue) [18:50]
asciilifeform i guess my red-hot doug lenat k001 w4r3z stays on kako's box, l0l [18:51]
mircea_popescu lol [18:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176500 @ 0.0002514 = 44.3721 BTC [+] {2} [18:53]
diametric mircea_popescu, makes sense, thanks. [18:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00025699 = 1.4905 BTC [+] {2} [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00024326 = 7.8573 BTC [-] [18:58]
BingoBoingo Oh look what qntra story was good enough to get dropped on reddit: [18:58]
assbot Bitcoin ISP unveiled : Bitcoin ... ( ) [18:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00025721 = 16.4357 BTC [+] {2} [19:00]
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jurov i find it too funny and don't know why [19:03]
danielpbarron << ya, [19:03]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 19:31:11; HeySteve: not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently [19:03]
assbot Logged on 05-05-2015 01:19:24; danielpbarron: "Rather, the only push you see against larger blocks come from strong advocates of personal autonomy and decenteralization, like Peter Todd; or the MPOE crowd (regardless of what you might think about them, they wouldn't be any to bend to commercial or government interests)." [19:03]
mircea_popescu incidentally, who would win a fight between bitcoin jesus and bitcoin godfather ? [19:03]
asciilifeform the elephant. [19:03]
mircea_popescu jurov doesn't that guy look exacly like antono derp ? [19:04]
mircea_popescu what are they cloning them nao ? [19:04]
jurov lol [19:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: considering any plans for non-intel iron for s.bisp ? [19:15]
mircea_popescu i was, but there doesn't seem to exist such a thing. [19:15]
asciilifeform kako found some iirc [19:15]
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jurov or arm servers? [19:19]
asciilifeform i think that's what he had [19:19]
asciilifeform kakobrekla ? [19:19]
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kakobrekla [19:29]
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jurov kakobrekla: but that's their proprietary rack, no? [19:42]
kakobrekla i guess so [19:42]
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jurov [19:44]
assbot HP launches ARM-based blade servers with Linux support- The Inquirer [19:44]
jurov dell has same thing [19:44]
jurov these apparently went out of bsnss [19:45]
assbot ... ( ) [19:45]
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asciilifeform << mega-l0l [19:46]
assbot Game over: Twitter disables support for embeddable MS-DOS games- The Inquirer [19:46]
jurov << opteronz [19:47]
assbot Blade Servers, Linux Workstations, 1u Servers, Computer Server, Server Hardware | Pogo Linux, Inc. ... ( ) [19:47]
* BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines [19:50]
jurov but that's NAS, not servers [19:50]
jurov this looks more like it [19:53]
assbot Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | A+ Servers | 3U | 3012MA-H12TRF ... ( ) [19:53]
jurov BISP can buy one or two and resell per node to us paupers [19:54]
mircea_popescu i could see that [19:55]
cazalla <<< i doubt he'll come (he's off chasing herbalife past few years) but it'd be good to see saltydroid turn up here [19:56]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 17:26:03; mircea_popescu: neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up [19:56]
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BingoBoingo jurov: That is a sexy find [19:58]
mircea_popescu and speaking of sexy finds, [19:59]
assbot ... ( ) [19:59]
asciilifeform << try and find -any- of their items, for any price [20:01]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 22:45:35; *: BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines [20:01]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the last importer appears to have vanished [20:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I can only hope their AMD investment wasn't entirely about keeping AMD's silicon less backdoored or making it differently backdoored [20:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: quite possibly just a paper game. [20:02]
BingoBoingo Probably, but it may be a small step towards china saying fuck the x86-MS warez game and moving to Ubuntu warez [20:04]
asciilifeform why then would they buy an x86 maker ? [20:04]
asciilifeform the overall picture is not encouraging. we are -this- close to a total intel monopoly on serious iron [20:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Access to their logo and markets familiar with their name [20:05]
cazalla mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014 [20:05]
asciilifeform (i am deliberately not counting exotica made by other usg muppets, e.g., the (former) ibm's old 'power' chips, etc.) [20:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that this is tiny. [20:06]
asciilifeform aha [20:06]
asciilifeform already the choice is between 'intel' and 'bring your own collectible ancestral cpu' [20:07]
mircea_popescu pretty much [20:07]
BingoBoingo At least enough silicon is servicable that it is not necessary to sign transactions with [20:08]
assbot : *Drafting Kits, Study, Tools, Geometry, Items, Mathematical Instruments, 1, Tin Container, Set, Of, Dunbar, Oxford, Items, Complete & Accurate, With, Compass, Divers, 2 Pencils, 1-3.5" 1-6", Ruler 6", 45 & 60 Degree, Set Squares, 180 Degree, Protractor, Eraser, Pencil Sharpener, Etc., U ... ( ) [20:08]
asciilifeform wai wat [20:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, this isn't a problem to charge at. [20:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Analogue mathematical instruments [20:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: charge at ? [20:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, charge, frontal assault [20:11]
asciilifeform for argument's sake, what would this consist of ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu "fuck intel, we will subsidize X, because we are so big and powerful we can just crush it outright" [20:12]
asciilifeform l0l [20:12]
asciilifeform who we [20:12]
mircea_popescu same we that crushed cisco, for argument's sake. [20:12]
asciilifeform cisco was already tied to the firing post [20:13]
asciilifeform (and, one could note, was shot with a very small pistol and will be thrashing around for quite some time to come) [20:13]
mircea_popescu hey, you asked. [20:14]
asciilifeform intel has nothing remotely resembling a serious enemy [20:14]
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asciilifeform the secret to killing intel (in the sense of crafting a replacement which pushes the bits -that actually need pushing- at competitive speed at competitive cost) is to ditch x86 and even unix, all the way to von neumann; then can use si fab processes circa 1994 or so [20:17]
asciilifeform (i sorta have an entire www about this) [20:17]
asciilifeform but this is not news. [20:17]
asciilifeform nor, afaik, are the resources available for this. [20:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71068 @ 0.00024859 = 17.6668 BTC [-] {2} [20:18]
asciilifeform this is, to put it as briefly as possible, is because 'greedy algorithm'. [20:19]
Adlai gotta put hashes on the blockchain and hellfires in windows [20:20]
* asciilifeform realizes he ought to have kept track of previous threads concerning this boojum. there are at least 7 [20:20]
mircea_popescu same reason intel's fundamentally unconcerning : all greedy algorithms are vulnerable to other greedy algorithms. that's what it means. [20:20]
mircea_popescu the only way to gain immunity to them is to not be one. [20:20]
asciilifeform meanwhile all of our infrastructure runs on intel boxen. [20:20]
mircea_popescu and all we eat are cows. [20:20]
asciilifeform which, from '08 or so, are boobytrapped in several interesting documented (and undocumented) ways. [20:21]
mircea_popescu which is not, in and of itself, useful. [20:21]
asciilifeform aha [20:21]
asciilifeform 'glass cannon', at the least. [20:21]
mircea_popescu indeed. [20:22]
mircea_popescu so yeah, we don't have, nor can we get just yet, the hard guarantees we'd like, and it'd altogether seem we're entitled to, by the shape of the space of logical possibility. [20:22]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, soft guarantees can be extractred from the unloving tits of mother nature, and so they will be. [20:22]
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williamdunne 20:09:56 - mircea_popescu: how is the being passed over without comment? Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it. <<< what is this?! [20:23]
mircea_popescu [20:23]
assbot Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [20:23]
asciilifeform i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps [20:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, is my discussion of water captive in a glass part of the 7 ? [20:25]
asciilifeform aha [20:25]
asciilifeform that came up at least 2ce [20:25]
mircea_popescu aha yeah irc [20:25]
BingoBoingo i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps << To be fair they gave Itanic the old college try [20:26]
asciilifeform incidentally, situation is more depressing than could be, because the usual principle of 'the thing waiting to catch the falling corpse is us' does not apply here. when intel dies, the corpse will be eaten by arm [20:26]
asciilifeform which is likewise turdalicious usg tentacle. [20:26]
asciilifeform and the worst architecture i've ever had the misfortune to work with. just about worse than x86 from a fits-in-brain perspective [20:27]
asciilifeform plus smarmily pseudo-decentralized [20:27]
williamdunne Awesome [20:27]
asciilifeform (there are 1,001 [20:27]
asciilifeform licensees [20:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason for this is because we're not big enough yet lol. "the next builders of roads once the romans croak will still not be the huns". well.... yes. [20:27]
asciilifeform but they all make turd built from same circuit) [20:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53682 @ 0.00024882 = 13.3572 BTC [+] [20:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: microshit was unable to bake a reasonable compiler for itanic. hence it sank. [20:28]
mircea_popescu nobody was. [20:28]
asciilifeform (vliw is a bitch to compile for) [20:28]
mircea_popescu the itanic thing was perhaps the breaking point for FOSS, in retrospect. [20:29]
mircea_popescu i've been thinking when it jumped the shark [20:29]
asciilifeform wai wat [20:30]
asciilifeform iirc gcc was the -only- working compiler for itanic, for ages [20:30]
mircea_popescu aaaannnddd ? [20:31]
mircea_popescu "we owned windows, now what." [20:31]
asciilifeform intel never had any purpose in life other than to operate as microshit's partner in crime [20:31]
mircea_popescu (and it didn't really work well enough - which was perhaps correctly blamed on the proc) [20:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody asks intel. the idea was, if FOSS actually can deliver on the promises it makes, then it takes over at that juncture. [20:32]
asciilifeform takes over what, the fab ? [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00025407 = 11.9413 BTC [+] [20:32]
mircea_popescu no, computing. "the only way to run a computer today is with an intel itanium running debian" [20:32]
asciilifeform l0l why not dec alpha ? [20:33]
mircea_popescu those were expensive. [20:33]
asciilifeform one of the cleanest, most well-documented (fit in a thin paperback book - whole fucking machine, not only cpu) [20:33]
asciilifeform and -cheaper- today than itanic [20:33]
mircea_popescu per flop ? [20:33]
asciilifeform (both are 'collectibles' and there were many more alphas) [20:33]
BingoBoingo Alpha still kinda expensive [20:33]
mircea_popescu heh. collectibles are not this. [20:33]
asciilifeform itanic is a collectible [20:33]
BingoBoingo 6502 finally becoming collectible [20:37]
cazalla <<< here's the after shot in any case [20:38]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 19:47:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ? [20:38]
assbot ... ( ) [20:38]
asciilifeform ^ rabies ? [20:39]
cazalla reverse image search for that on google throws back "dubai porta potties" [20:39]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttchina [20:52]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.820017, Best ask: 243.84096, Bid-ask spread: 0.02094, Last trade: 243.84096, 24 hour volume: 81714.51890000, 24 hour low: 235.368711, 24 hour high: 247.124178, 24 hour vwap: 239.998074291 [20:52]
mircea_popescu lol [20:56]
mircea_popescu cazalla that's photochopped. i can tell by some pixels. [20:57]
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BingoBoingo Hello tteesstt [21:02]
BingoBoingo In which Hearn gets specially singled out for being a weirdo again [21:03]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( ) [21:03]
BingoBoingo (at the end) [21:04]
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mike_c cazalla: which rating is it? [21:17]
cazalla the one i left thestringpuller, it's dated nov 2014 but i believe that was when i first gave him a rating [21:18]
mike_c thx [21:18]
mike_c that's how it is in the db. [21:20]
mike_c kakobrekla: what's the current strategy for rating timestamps? Just one stamp that is first-rated? [21:21]
mike_c cazalla: yeah.. note that it is a 'since' timestamp. [21:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71800 @ 0.0002579 = 18.5172 BTC [+] {3} [21:23]
cazalla seems to have dropped a few ratings i made prior to to april 2014 as well [21:23]
mike_c hm, that's not good. they aren't on the b-a page? [21:28]
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SamouraiWallet cool system. tying in wot with irc +v [21:32]
mircea_popescu it is. [21:33]
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cazalla mike_c, actually a lot more is missing.. on bitcoin-otc i've received 19 ratings (WoT Browser shows 15) and sent 25 on bitcoin-otc (WoT Browser shows 16), these are old ones which i assume should've been included in the snapshot [21:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo jesus christ the deluge of verbiage from these people. that two line call-out in #bitcoin-dev has produced almost a million lines of derpage, on irc, on reddit, on personal blogs, everywhere. [21:34]
mircea_popescu if this isn't disarray i have nfi what is. these people don't even have a forum, a venue where to discuss their shit. [21:34]
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mircea_popescu cazalla i missed ratings i made after gribble went down, on gribble's wot. like for instance the phantomcircuit one i discovered missing yest, was made in february. [21:35]
mircea_popescu would this explain it ? [21:35]
cazalla these are older than that, ratings made in 2014 [21:35]
mircea_popescu << girl around the house. [21:35]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously. One little threat they call crazy and all of a sudden it comes out no one but Hearn supports Gavincoin while The core devs seem to reveal in turn the never actually thought much on the future. [21:36]
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mircea_popescu cazalla it's the case for the -10 to rozal (id 37459 on gribble wot) for instance. [21:37]
decimation who is the guy who decided to pay gavin's salary? [21:38]
mircea_popescu shit mike_c he has a point. take "36335 cazalla OgNasty 5 2014-08-10 10:18:57 -1" on , not present in [21:39]
assbot Rating Details for User 'cazalla' ... ( ) [21:39]
assbot cazalla WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( ) [21:39]
cazalla mircea_popescu, two i sent in july and august of 2014 are missing from new wot though [21:39]
mircea_popescu decimation foundation didn't do reporting at the time, remember ? col brian foley, for all you know. [21:39]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla is it possible ratings got lost over the import ? [21:41]
decimation no I thought it was some dutch dude [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70610 @ 0.00025835 = 18.2421 BTC [+] [21:42]
BingoBoingo decimation: Ah Janssens. MIT ended up beating him for Gavin's affection [21:43]
decimation I guess he preferred direct government employment [21:44]
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decimation re: blazing saddles < I didn't get the german speaking indians until I saw this poem (lifted from google's shitty usenet archive) [21:46]
assbot dpaste: 21FWHSJ ... ( ) [21:46]
mircea_popescu !s Uncleftish [21:46]
assbot 2 results for 'Uncleftish' : [21:46]
decimation it turns out that english without latin words sounds very 'primative', so I assumed mel brooks was making an inside joke on writing hollywood indian dialogue [21:47]
danielpbarron it's because ognasty doesn't have a gpg key [21:47]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( ) [21:47]
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mircea_popescu oh! [21:48]
mircea_popescu cazalla : it only imported gpg based identities, not bitcoin address based. [21:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla mike_c nm, false alarm. [21:48]
mircea_popescu this was in the fucking spec, but i forgot [21:48]
cazalla ah makes sense [21:52]
asciilifeform 'Today Bitcoin Core is easily >100 times faster to synchronize and relay than when I first got involved on the same hardware, but these improvements have been swallowed by the growth.' << ahahahahaha the headers-first idiocy [21:57]
asciilifeform we should kiss the arse, aha [21:57]
mircea_popescu "today bitcoin core is so far diverged from bitcoin i have no idea why anyone even mentions it" [21:57]
BingoBoingo The (lack of) value of fiat contracts [22:00]
assbot Union preparing to fight for A-Rod's $6 million home run bonus - May. 8, 2015 ... ( ) [22:00]
mircea_popescu what';s the story there ? [22:00]
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joecool typical sort of error when trying to run core client [22:02]
joecool bitcoin-qt: symbol lookup error: bitcoin-qt: undefined symbol: _ZN6google8protobuf8internal13empty_string_E [22:02]
ben_vulpes fuck dat NOISE [22:03]
asciilifeform wat. [22:03]
ben_vulpes are you serious. [22:03]
joecool i am [22:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: A-Rod still has that 10 year contract with the Yankees that says he gets bonuses for ever time he progresses along certain career milestones. He spent all last year suspended because "if you can you must" so now this year that he is breaking all of these milestones after spending last year's suspension by chillaxing at the beach the yankees don't want to pay him his contractual bonuses. [22:03]
ben_vulpes is that some autonamespacified shitgnomery or something? [22:04]
mircea_popescu joecool is this on leveldb ? [22:04]
* mircea_popescu doesn't recall ever seeing this one [22:04]
joecool mircea_popescu: could be, i have no clue, i haven't really dug into it yet [22:05]
asciilifeform on first glance, [22:05]
asciilifeform it's a qt-ism [22:05]
asciilifeform lose the gui [22:05]
joecool could also be that i built it on gcc 5.1 which is proving to be a pile of shit (but this doesn't build in clang either...) [22:05]
asciilifeform [22:05]
assbot BitcoinStats ... ( ) [22:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't protobuf the google something or the other ? [22:06]
mircea_popescu serializer, what was it [22:06]
asciilifeform it's only in there on account of the qt crud [22:07]
mircea_popescu aha [22:07]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell [22:07]
asciilifeform 'WARNING: libprotobuf not found; bitcoin-qt frontend will not be built' etc. [22:07]
asciilifeform lose the crapolade, lose this error. [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103837 @ 0.00025542 = 26.522 BTC [-] [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00025835 = 5.4512 BTC [+] [22:09]
joecool will do [22:10]
decimation google protocol buffers is a library that allows the construction of arbitrary bit protocols [22:11]
decimation kinda like asn.1 [22:11]
decimation I have no idea why bitcoin would use it [22:12]
asciilifeform seems like qt uses [22:12]
mircea_popescu entrepreneurs asked for it. [22:12]
decimation weird [22:12]
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felipelalli I just knew that a Brazilian exchange was hacked last week but this information is not public yet. Anyone knows anything about it? (a friend told me but he has no much information also). [22:16]
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danielpbarron !up Guest53878 you've got to identify with nickserv within 30 seconds of logging in or he'll change your nick to Guest; you can set your irc client to do this automatically [22:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37271 @ 0.00025835 = 9.629 BTC [+] [22:32]
danielpbarron << that was also in the spec [22:34]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 23:01:23; cazalla: mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014 [22:34]
danielpbarron might be useful to know "first rated on" in addition to "last updated" [22:35]
danielpbarron currently only the former is recorded [22:35]
mats seems unnecessary [22:36]
danielpbarron the ratings are supposed to be a jumping off point that leads to actually talking to someone, and in that regard too much info might be more of a hiderance than a help [22:40]
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decimation asciilifeform: apparently MIT put a sussman lisp class from 1986 on their on-line course system [22:41]
assbot 1A: Overview and Introduction to Lisp | Video Lectures | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs | Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | MIT OpenCourseWare ... ( ) [22:41]
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danielpbarron "This is frustrating; from a clean slate analysis of network health I think my conclusion would be to _decrease_ the limit below the current 300k/txn/day level." << I concur; 1MB is probably too large a block [22:46]
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danielpbarron !up sunbeachbabe [22:53]
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sunbeachbabe Hi [22:55]
danielpbarron hi; what brings you here? [23:01]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli find out the details, write a qntra article. [23:22]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron heh, first mentioned... in #bitcoin-assets [23:24]
asciilifeform decimation: the videos are ancient. i watched them some time in, iirc, '06 [23:26]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu: I'll try, thank you. [23:26]
* mircea_popescu bores of trying to find the "maybe blocks end up being too large" reference. was a coupla weeks ago iirc [23:27]
decimation asciilifeform: I did not realize that MIT has gone through its old archives for lectures [23:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [23:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55922 @ 0.00025673 = 14.3569 BTC [-] {2} [23:27]
assbot Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less. [23:27]
mircea_popescu a ty [23:27]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc the lectures in the videos were not actually given at mit, but as a guest tour for, i think, hewlett-packard [23:28]
asciilifeform hence the 'old' faces [23:28]
mircea_popescu davout :D [23:28]
assbot Francais pour les pauvres (Franceza pentru săraci) - YouTube ... ( ) [23:28]
danielpbarron bores of trying to find << happens to me on a weekly basis [23:30]
decimation ;;ticker [23:31]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.13, Best ask: 245.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 245.12, 24 hour volume: 32896.12670801, 24 hour low: 236.2, 24 hour high: 249.22, 24 hour vwap: None [23:31]
mircea_popescu somehow i couldn't remember correctly any of the words. [23:31]
danielpbarron today i gave up trying to find the line in which you said something along the lines of garza's wife not being bad [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95000 @ 0.00025881 = 24.587 BTC [+] {2} [23:32]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: [23:32]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 09:16:07; mircea_popescu: notbad. [23:32]
danielpbarron lol [23:33]
danielpbarron not that meaning of "not bad" .. the other one [23:33]
asciilifeform that was it though [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform clearly uses lisp sorting on the logs [23:34]
* asciilifeform uses meat [23:34]
cazalla could be anyone though eh [23:37]
assbot Bitcoin ISP Unveiled | ... ( ) [23:37]
mircea_popescu isp = internet service provider. so bite me. [23:38]
asciilifeform as to dog 'food' means 'dog food', to homo derpicus - 'isp' means his local telecom monopolist [23:39]
asciilifeform hence, likely the confusion [23:39]
scoopbot_revived UK Man Sentenced To Six Years Prison [23:39]
asciilifeform l0l cocaine from india ? [23:40]
cazalla well, can't find the police report so who really knows [23:40]
mircea_popescu on the lam for 3 years ?! [23:41]
mircea_popescu apparently bitcoin really works huh. [23:41]
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asciilifeform the account-freezing thing didn't work on him? why? name too short, triggered sql bug ? [23:42]
asciilifeform 'Fay was due to answer bail on January 25, 2013, but failed to do so. Just days before he was due to be charged, Fay emptied his bank account...' [23:42]
mircea_popescu guy seriously lived three years on the run out of 40k ? [23:50]
decimation yeah I want to drop my monopolist isp and use bitcoin for internet access [23:50]
mircea_popescu should get a prize. [23:50]
diametric mircea_popescu: you should start a registrar next. [23:53]
mircea_popescu nah, dns is dumb [23:53]
decimation $40k would go a long way in the us as long as you are willing to live like a bum [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00025408 = 15.8165 BTC [-] {2} [23:54]
decimation but living like a bum is not a good way to avoid the police [23:55]
cazalla prob pissed it away on drugs [23:55]
mircea_popescu i never had anyone in hiding without at least a few rifles + sidearms, at least a coupla people along for the ride, etc. 40k is good for a quarter, and that if the guy's very sensible all around. [23:56]
decimation the uk is even more of a police state [23:57]
mircea_popescu moreover, what, every time you need a car you steal a car ? [23:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 40k in modern usd ? [23:58]
asciilifeform or of that time [23:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was doing a mental fuzzy conversion to modern. [23:58]
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