Forum logs for 06 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: i imagine you don't own a "smart-phone" [18:54]
mircea_popescu hhhola [18:54]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: what made you imagine this ? [18:55]
thestringpuller cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man. [18:55]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy [18:55]
thestringpuller ah but do you use said toy? [18:55]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from. [18:55]
mircea_popescu jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity. [18:56]
thestringpuller ascii_butugychag: http://i.imgur.com/VdW0b.gif << is this your life [18:56]
* mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around. [18:56]
mircea_popescu sorta made me think if simpson's sperms. [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2} [18:57]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality [18:57]
ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: approximately [18:58]
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thestringpuller pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete. [18:58]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen) [18:59]
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ascii_butugychag l0l turdroid bloatware crud [19:00]
pete_dushenski girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing [19:00]
* pete_dushenski has seen with own eyes [19:00]
mircea_popescu what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ? [19:01]
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jurov Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul! [19:01]
pete_dushenski vw tiguan - small 'crossover' - like golf on stilts [19:01]
mircea_popescu haha! [19:01]
mircea_popescu in other lulz, a while back friend who's INTO bikes and on and on with the bikes bought himself a new bike (because accident and the harvey was too much bike) [19:02]
pete_dushenski harvey makes burgers, harley : bikes [19:04]
jurov !b 2 [19:04]
mircea_popescu nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna! [19:06]
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jurov rip assbot [19:12]
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jurov kakobrekla: ^ [19:12]
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pete_dushenski " TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u [19:27]
pete_dushenski fied."" << mkay gl with this one [19:27]
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mircea_popescu heh lost connection. [19:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna! [19:28]
ascii_butugychag chainsaw?! [19:46]
jurov kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks [19:46]
kakobrekla jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant [19:46]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason [19:46]
jurov lol digitalocean? [19:46]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/ [19:46]
assbot Husqvarna Motorcycles - Pioneering since 1903 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK8XJo ) [19:46]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles. [20:34]
mircea_popescu but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?! [20:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then. [20:34]
kakobrekla trying to resend n times wont fix it. [20:35]
* pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa [20:35]
kakobrekla not in current implementation. [20:35]
kakobrekla you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ? [20:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect. [20:36]
mircea_popescu the txn aren't chained. i don't do that. [20:36]
mircea_popescu all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn [20:36]
kakobrekla you dont use coin control [20:36]
mircea_popescu wut ? [20:38]
jurov mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined [20:39]
mircea_popescu jurov no ? [20:39]
jurov yes? [20:39]
mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd << as you can see the input is mined [20:40]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPeA3o ) [20:40]
mircea_popescu if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 [20:41]
mircea_popescu are we ? [20:41]
jurov but it was mined just yesterday [20:41]
mircea_popescu so ? [20:41]
mircea_popescu Confirmations 428 Confirmations [20:42]
jurov but you did not use it [20:42]
mircea_popescu that'd be about 3 days. [20:42]
jurov you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead [20:42]
mircea_popescu yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx [20:42]
jurov https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7 [20:43]
assbot BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 [20:43]
mircea_popescu look : there's) [20:43]
mircea_popescu (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around [20:43]
mircea_popescu seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant [20:44]
jurov how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output? [20:44]
mircea_popescu i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it. [20:45]
kakobrekla im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior [20:45]
mircea_popescu beyond this... what am i to do ? [20:45]
mircea_popescu if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane. [20:45]
jurov refresh the wallet, resend [20:45]
mircea_popescu because... [20:45]
kakobrekla i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago. [20:46]
mircea_popescu seems bitcoin needs to be fixed. [20:46]
kakobrekla by accident. [20:46]
kakobrekla it was clear for a long time its broked. [20:46]
jurov because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction [20:46]
kakobrekla ^^ [20:46]
mircea_popescu jurov the coins i used were confirmed. [20:46]
jurov when you issued the tx? [20:47]
mircea_popescu again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old. [20:47]
mircea_popescu yes, when i issued the tx. [20:47]
mircea_popescu but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe. [20:47]
mircea_popescu now* [20:47]
kakobrekla the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever. [20:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2} [20:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid. [20:48]
mircea_popescu as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL. [20:49]
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mircea_popescu and in any case that MUST be all. [20:49]
kakobrekla yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx [20:49]
mircea_popescu "output" means address. [20:49]
mircea_popescu "malleation" can not change address. [20:49]
mircea_popescu in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead. [20:50]
kakobrekla the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed. [20:50]
mircea_popescu huh ? [20:50]
mircea_popescu in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks. [20:52]
punkman so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what? [20:54]
mircea_popescu that what ? [20:55]
mircea_popescu no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something. [20:55]
kakobrekla you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically. [20:57]
mircea_popescu T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included. [20:57]
mircea_popescu there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period. [20:58]
kakobrekla T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent. [20:58]
kakobrekla even if they arent there any more. [20:58]
mircea_popescu then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9" [20:59]
mircea_popescu unless you can say that you've nothing to say. [20:59]
mircea_popescu a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. [21:00]
kakobrekla yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that. [21:00]
kakobrekla and i mean the change addresses [21:01]
punkman inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not? [21:01]
mircea_popescu this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions. [21:01]
kakobrekla CHANGE ADDRESS [21:01]
mircea_popescu inputs reference addresses. [21:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i dun get it ? [21:01]
kakobrekla ferfuxake [21:02]
mircea_popescu explain like i'm five omaigerd! [21:02]
jurov no, addresses are irrelevant [21:02]
mircea_popescu wut ? [21:02]
* pete_dushenski just choked on popcorn [21:03]
danielpbarron a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy? [21:03]
jurov input is a reference to an output from a previous transaction. output is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction. [21:03]
mircea_popescu motherfucker what ?! [21:04]
punkman lol [21:04]
pete_dushenski also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in a situation where input and output means the same thing." [21:04]
mircea_popescu doh. [21:04]
pete_dushenski obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ [21:04]
assbot Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPhC7D ) [21:04]
mircea_popescu input is... what ?! [21:05]
mircea_popescu i'm fucking queasy. [21:05]
jurov i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction. [21:07]
pete_dushenski speaking of nothing, are s.nsa and s.mg statements en route ? [21:07]
mircea_popescu oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS! [21:07]
mircea_popescu what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/ [21:07]
punkman and output is value + scriptpubkey [21:08]
mircea_popescu i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/ [21:08]
kakobrekla if it werent so you could just phuck a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance [21:08]
mircea_popescu here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin. [21:08]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that. [21:09]
mircea_popescu and it'd be right an' proper. [21:09]
mircea_popescu this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch. [21:09]
kakobrekla no, because a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29956 @ 0.00049551 = 14.8435 BTC [+] {3} [21:09]
pete_dushenski mr. bean had 3-wheeled 'reliant robin' iirc [21:10]
mircea_popescu http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/attachments/technical-zone/97708d1373536167-unlocking-your-car-emergency-mrbean.jpg [21:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPimtn ) [21:10]
kakobrekla anyway i have a headache and im hungry so bbl. [21:10]
mircea_popescu nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn [21:10]
pete_dushenski or right, austin mini [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22210 @ 0.0005022 = 11.1539 BTC [+] {2} [21:10]
mircea_popescu thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov. [21:10]
mircea_popescu ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg. [21:11]
kakobrekla rescan did not help me [21:11]
mircea_popescu what did you do ? [21:11]
kakobrekla phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan [21:11]
mircea_popescu soooo.... [21:11]
kakobrekla used a backup [21:11]
mircea_popescu hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK [21:12]
pete_dushenski reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes. [21:12]
punkman electrum or other wallet should also work [21:12]
kakobrekla yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use a backup from before bad txes came in [21:12]
kakobrekla that was what i observed [21:13]
mircea_popescu yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level. [21:13]
mircea_popescu any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ? [21:13]
punkman do it by hand [21:13]
* pete_dushenski feels fortunate to not be in physical proximity to mp rage atm. [21:13]
kakobrekla btw at some point 'zapwallettxes' was added to bitcoind [21:14]
kakobrekla i have not tested it yet but this is suppose to fix that [21:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ? [21:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb. [21:15]
kakobrekla if you have the addresses you will get the txes [21:16]
kakobrekla in the wallet [21:16]
mircea_popescu so ? [21:16]
mircea_popescu gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc. [21:17]
kakobrekla > unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and [21:18]
kakobrekla not reconstructed. [21:18]
kakobrekla re that zapwallet [21:18]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu as long as the backup contains all the used change addresses you are ok [21:18]
kakobrekla yeah that prolly. [21:18]
mircea_popescu we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit. [21:18]
mircea_popescu well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out". [21:19]
pete_dushenski and the crowds go wild [21:19]
shinohai o/ [21:20]
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mircea_popescu fucking bs. [21:22]
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mircea_popescu no, because a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc. [21:28]
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mircea_popescu this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed." [21:29]
kakobrekla you can have multiple unspent outputs on an address, say 3x 1btc [21:29]
kakobrekla sign to move 1 btc from that address to another [21:42]
kakobrekla phuck tx and respend. [21:42]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents. [22:06]
kakobrekla not at the moment. [22:06]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [22:06]
mircea_popescu protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from. [22:07]
asciilifeform thing is, answering the question of 'what balance has address A at time t' is an O(N) operation on the whole motherfucking blockchain [22:07]
asciilifeform and much of the gnarl in this thread stems from attempts to somehow work around this fact [22:08]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there. [22:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table. [22:08]
mircea_popescu fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor". [22:09]
mircea_popescu you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor. [22:09]
asciilifeform i'm not convinced that rich people actually exist yet [22:09]
mircea_popescu i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit. [22:10]
asciilifeform (or, any more) [22:10]
mircea_popescu but in lighter news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okcupid-rating-works.png [22:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONLIyx ) [22:10]
asciilifeform l0l!! [22:10]
mircea_popescu if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now. [22:11]
mircea_popescu this is like the 20th dude. [22:11]
asciilifeform how many dude A vs dude B ? [22:12]
mircea_popescu oh i stop counting the A's. 1-200 ? [22:12]
asciilifeform jurov: already baked. it's called hawala [22:12]
mircea_popescu jurov dun hate on me just because i'm an asshole! [22:12]
jurov lolk [22:13]
mircea_popescu the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep a table of balances. [22:13]
mircea_popescu annoying problems don't go away just because we don't want to have them. [22:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's still O(N) [22:14]
asciilifeform calculating the ~actual answer~, that is [22:14]
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mircea_popescu no because you just update it [22:14]
asciilifeform you can try to cheat, eys [22:14]
asciilifeform yes [22:14]
mircea_popescu rebuild table on "resync" [22:14]
jurov asciilifeform: mirca just decreed nobody will ever need more than N addresses [22:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is like saying that all problems are O(1) - true! if you already know the answer! [22:15]
mircea_popescu jurov what "body" "needs" ain't got the substance of ghost spit yo! [22:15]
mircea_popescu this is all THAT CAN BE HAD [22:15]
jurov perhaps N=640k , even :D [22:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thing is that you also have to 'rebuild table' when various other things happen - orphaned chains (phorkletz!), the idiot malleation thing, and possibly other [22:16]
asciilifeform and EACH rebuild is O(N) [22:17]
mircea_popescu ;/ [22:17]
asciilifeform where N is however long it's been between the two doubted points [22:17]
mircea_popescu you're telling me the apple's up in the tree as if i was the one that put it there. [22:17]
mircea_popescu it's where it is! what am i to do ? [22:17]
asciilifeform depends on how badly mircea_popescu needs to take the apple in [22:18]
asciilifeform doesnit. [22:18]
mircea_popescu all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so. [22:18]
asciilifeform even knowing how allergic mircea_popescu is to 'meta' and 'must X before Y', i will still say that items such as this remain because we do not have a clean operating room [22:19]
asciilifeform that is, 'codebase' that doesn't immediately frighten away everbody halfway sane [22:19]
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asciilifeform *everybody [22:19]
mircea_popescu no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for a while yet. [22:20]
asciilifeform i am in the process of working this transmogrification for pgp, a CONSIDERABLY simpler animal, and am astonished every day [22:20]
mircea_popescu but i think merely the point that it's broken is worth stating. because apparently the people that understand it's broken didn't know it worked like this (me) and the people that knew how it worked... well... got seduced. [22:21]
asciilifeform seduced ? [22:21]
mircea_popescu "it's fine, it works like this" [22:21]
asciilifeform ahh [22:21]
asciilifeform the important thing imho is to distinguish 'broken' (if only this!) from the actuality - ~~misengineered~~ [22:22]
mircea_popescu it's misdesigned. [22:22]
asciilifeform aha [22:22]
mircea_popescu if we admit this was deliberate rather than "oh look what i can do! &^*p!" [22:22]
asciilifeform malleation doesn't happen via cosmic rayz, no. [22:23]
asciilifeform nor was the original 'feature' emplaced thereby. [22:23]
mircea_popescu incidentally, speaking of this : are you aware, for a chuckle, that leveldb "replaced" bdb in bitcoin in the sense that... not. because bdb is still linked because used for wallet. [22:24]
mircea_popescu so... "let's keep all the holes we had and add a whole new layer!" [22:24]
asciilifeform aha [22:24]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361206 << you can'[t simultaenously hold this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361174 [22:25]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:45:07; asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win' [22:25]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:31:31; asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head [22:25]
mircea_popescu they are mutually contradictory. [22:25]
asciilifeform how's that ? [22:25]
asciilifeform seems like they go happily together [22:25]
mircea_popescu either they care or they don't. [22:25]
mircea_popescu if they don't care then not shooting anyone. if shooting anyone, then yes they care. [22:26]
asciilifeform the elected buggers don't rule. [22:26]
asciilifeform and know better than to try. [22:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798881 << see also. [22:26]
assbot Logged on 16-08-2014 21:39:02; asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.' [22:26]
asciilifeform and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778095 [22:27]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov? [22:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361228 << lol someone is airlifting whores INTO teh ukraine ? [22:27]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 00:55:42; asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev [22:27]
asciilifeform cia is an equal-opportunity employer! (tm) (r) [22:27]
mircea_popescu last i visited kharkov, nice student chicks sat topless in the windows of the "student campus" buildings, 20 dollars. [22:27]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "deprives the most significant investors in companies their ability" [22:32]
mircea_popescu missing of. [22:32]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361270 << chix, not so much. [22:37]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 01:26:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks... [22:37]
asciilifeform > 0 [22:37]
mircea_popescu i guess. [22:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361278 << omg b-a skeptic! [22:38]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 01:42:46; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here. [22:38]
asciilifeform fwiw since i banned aws i get steady round-the-clock connections from cn. but i have no particular reason to think that they represent miners. [22:39]
BingoBoingo ty fxd [22:39]
asciilifeform (on all 3 trb nodes under my flag) [22:39]
BingoBoingo Also checking the spam que, fucking NBA and Lebron James are spamming SEO to their actual domains [22:40]
asciilifeform l0l those are spam keywordz! [22:41]
asciilifeform just me seeing those strings on my screen is a bug. [22:41]
mircea_popescu " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes. [22:41]
mircea_popescu google is much more successful than ms ever was at "shit on open source". [22:41]
* asciilifeform revved up a lispatron this week and noticed what phf was speaking of [22:41]
mircea_popescu and since they own 1/13 or so of the fed printing press, they can keep "paying them" to do it. [22:42]
asciilifeform aha. [22:42]
asciilifeform microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk [22:42]
mircea_popescu yea [22:42]
* asciilifeform for the lulz, actually went and installed visualstudio-for-linux! it builds strictly c# [22:43]
asciilifeform and is a smoking pile of rubbish [22:43]
asciilifeform mega-unsurprise. [22:43]
mircea_popescu how can it "strictly" ? [22:43]
asciilifeform no c compiler in there [22:43]
mircea_popescu so how is it for linux ? [22:43]
mircea_popescu do they have a C# linux ? [22:43]
asciilifeform they built it for linux [22:43]
asciilifeform with what they bootstrapped the build, i do not know [22:44]
mircea_popescu i do not understand. [22:44]
asciilifeform well they have a 'dotnet' runtime for lin [22:44]
mircea_popescu what linux ? [22:44]
asciilifeform which was bootstrapped, presumably, in c/asm [22:44]
BingoBoingo l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile [22:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint [22:45]
mircea_popescu but that box included c compiler no ? [22:45]
asciilifeform whatever they built it on, most certainly (unless it was hand-carved in asm) [22:45]
asciilifeform but the turd ~itself~ will not compile c/cpp. [22:46]
mircea_popescu oh, wait. it's a large binary turd that somehow runs as a binary turd on your gentoo ? [22:46]
asciilifeform aha. [22:46]
mircea_popescu i see. [22:46]
asciilifeform believe or not. [22:46]
mircea_popescu this is so dumb it takes three passes to take in [22:46]
asciilifeform this is not an impossible feat. [22:46]
asciilifeform (there is, e.g., 'steam', for linux, iirc) [22:46]
asciilifeform and for that matter, trb. [22:46]
mircea_popescu heh. myeah. [22:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361373 << lol ok. [22:47]
d9b4bef9 danielpbarron Dava davout deedbot- diametric diana_coman dignork donpillou dooglus dub Duffer1 [22:47]
d9b4bef9 danielpbarron Dava davout deedbot- diametric diana_coman dignork donpillou dooglus dub Duffer1 [22:47]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 03:36:41; dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money [22:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362026 << BingoBoingo, the name itself is spam [22:50]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 01:42:13; BingoBoingo: l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile [22:50]
asciilifeform at least from my pov [22:50]
BingoBoingo Das Racis [22:50]
BingoBoingo Perfect name for a boat [22:51]
asciilifeform just like i will quite likely never, under any conceivable turn of events, give half a fuck about 'louis vuitton' [22:51]
asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, that string is an instant classifier for spammitude [22:51]
asciilifeform in fact, for many years i had no idea what it referred to outside of spam. [22:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361397 <<=-=>> http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/ [22:51]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 03:43:44; dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns? [22:51]
assbot Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLchSi ) [22:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform u a mysogenist bro ? [22:51]
asciilifeform the intersection of females i give half a phuq about and the set that have any truck with l v is null [22:52]
asciilifeform afaik. [22:52]
asciilifeform ditto lewhateverthefuckon [22:52]
asciilifeform bron. [22:53]
mircea_popescu but do you fuck sluts ? [22:53]
asciilifeform not presently [22:53]
asciilifeform but if i took it up, would i need to study spam purses ? [22:53]
mircea_popescu prolly. [22:53]
asciilifeform i don't hunt polar bears, either. and yes, i know that it is possible, provided that one rearranges his life in particular ways [22:54]
asciilifeform in which i'd rather not rearrange [22:54]
asciilifeform 'no phree lunch' [22:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu fucks 10 new sluts daily but pays for this by having to think about louis vuitton [22:55]
asciilifeform and possibly even lebron. [22:55]
mircea_popescu tell you what, basescu's (ro president for many years) gal (elena udrea) spent half her time on this shit. [22:55]
mircea_popescu and she was rather competent otherwise. [22:55]
asciilifeform i was thinking of emelda marques [22:55]
mircea_popescu not quite the same. this woman actually was useful. [22:56]
asciilifeform hm. [22:56]
mircea_popescu and recall the old thread re spending moneyz ? [22:56]
asciilifeform aha [22:56]
mircea_popescu to sum it up, not everyone in the wow's playing a warlock. [22:57]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 [22:57]
assbot Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" [22:57]
asciilifeform and yes. [22:57]
mircea_popescu that said, i'm null for pouches. and "i know shoes" but not in the sense chicks usually mean. [22:57]
asciilifeform relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you' [23:00]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. [23:06]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller / shinohai / whoever has a tardstalk acct, plox let 'em know too kthx. [23:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361515 << aka "i'm a 100% remora working at attaching myself to the republic on behalf of the empire". [23:08]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 15:46:58; ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.' [23:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever wonder, how come these folks never turn ? [23:09]
mircea_popescu do you ever wonder why ambitious but lazy, fat but stupid "feminists" "genderqueer" blabla never win miss america ? [23:10]
asciilifeform why never 'i am filippo remora and i am tired of this shit, here is a copy of my marching orders and quarterlies for past 5 yrs' [23:10]
mircea_popescu for one thing, they're too old. for the other... wut ? [23:10]
mircea_popescu you clearly have never run a shitshop. [23:10]
asciilifeform too old?! [23:10]
mircea_popescu who the fuck do you think gives the scum "orders" ? [23:10]
asciilifeform hitler? [23:10]
mircea_popescu you think the verbose explanation provided by the evil guy in b movies is irl ? [23:11]
asciilifeform nah [23:11]
asciilifeform but if the snowden2 slides are genuine, we know approx what it looks like. [23:11]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361860 << I couldn't get this pheature working in 0.7.x using 0.9 series code, ended up just making 0.7-ish low-s sign because malleation is annoying [23:12]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:14:58; kakobrekla: re that zapwallet [23:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at any rate, the scum are not undirected, they have objectives [23:12]
asciilifeform granted, sometimes they are directed in the same sense as a pirannha pit [23:12]
asciilifeform (e.g., the 'aggressive queer-gendered' google folks, they are picked for being militant tards and given free rein) [23:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361537 << very typical wwweb-ism, this. "wikipedia is correct because that's what we've read on wikipedia". [23:13]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 16:03:37; ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)' [23:13]
asciilifeform hey goes back to at least aristotle [23:13]
mircea_popescu aha [23:13]
asciilifeform google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes' [23:16]
asciilifeform though possibly today they take a shorter-leash approach, i have nfi. [23:16]
mircea_popescu so what are they going to "publish" ? [23:16]
* BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain [23:16]
asciilifeform them - nothing [23:16]
mircea_popescu that "mp is mean" ? we know. that "being sensitive is nice and vice-versa" ? we also know. [23:16]
mircea_popescu they got nuttin. [23:16]
asciilifeform but occasionally a real person gets recruited into muppet corps by mistake ? [23:16]
shinohai mircea_popescu: done https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13470841#msg13470841 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080 [23:17]
assbot BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLdM2N ) [23:17]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. [23:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ocasionally an elephant takes flight with a flock of passing geese [23:17]
mircea_popescu by mistake. [23:17]
mircea_popescu ty shinohai [23:17]
asciilifeform not quite same [23:17]
mircea_popescu from where i sit it seems da same. [23:17]
shinohai np. [23:18]
asciilifeform pretty much EVERY thinking fella working for a living in usaschwitz is doing SOMETHING usgtronic. [23:18]
asciilifeform even if indirectly. [23:18]
asciilifeform just like in su. [23:18]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:18]
mircea_popescu every elephant lives under where birds fly. yes. [23:18]
asciilifeform i mean, occasionally http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351867 [23:19]
assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 16:03:08; asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.' [23:19]
asciilifeform or rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351853 [23:19]
assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 15:46:13; asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60) [23:19]
asciilifeform once in a while - the elephant lights rocket in his arse and yes, flies. [23:19]
asciilifeform with the motherfucmking eagles. [23:20]
asciilifeform at least - temporarily. [23:20]
asciilifeform better example of 'real person serving as muppet flees and tells interesting things' is rezun [23:22]
asciilifeform in fact, a great many of the su defectors [23:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361578 << yeah, not bad on paper, like every other solution to the prisoner's dilemma. [23:22]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 20:44:23; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking. [23:22]
asciilifeform hey let's boycott food and shelter ! [23:23]
asciilifeform that'll do it. [23:23]
asciilifeform that way we can get commyooonizm in 1980! [23:23]
asciilifeform or sumthing. [23:23]
mircea_popescu would bring rents down... [23:23]
asciilifeform surely! [23:23]
asciilifeform incidentally this is not any more OR less ridiculous than 'go shoot a cop' [23:24]
asciilifeform same 'just fuckin do it!111' non-solution to prisoner's dilemma. [23:25]
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mircea_popescu aha. i didn't say it was ridiculous, either. [23:29]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361583 << much better. recall my "send your teen to live in africa for a year, take african teen in for a year" ? [23:30]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 20:48:23; pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle [23:30]
mircea_popescu the experience'd benefit western idjit kids immensely. [23:30]
mircea_popescu straightn out basic things such as "am i overweight" "what is rape" etc. [23:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361596 << there's nothing nice about them and they aren't men. [23:33]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:02:34; pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never [23:33]
mircea_popescu infantilized drone barely capable to serve as a man's prince albert. [23:33]
asciilifeform what, even the muscular fella in the centre ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu that guy is from lebanon. [23:34]
mircea_popescu the german kid is on the left. [23:34]
asciilifeform ah! [23:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361610 << someone somewhere ok'd this. [23:35]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:18:47; jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied: [23:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically, 10 yos didn't have a daddy, will get a daddy when they're 20. for them and the wife. [23:35]
asciilifeform l0l what wife. [23:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361622 << word. [23:35]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:21:57; ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx [23:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the woman that is there to dock his paychecks later on. [23:36]
asciilifeform owner. [23:36]
mircea_popescu very easy for western muppet to get married. ask ukr chick. [23:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361635 << it's a mix. [23:37]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:35:48; ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable [23:37]
mircea_popescu for that reason. [23:37]
asciilifeform yeah but is the manual component any kind of barrier against it presently. [23:37]
asciilifeform (does somebody actually walk the wallet by hand? apparently not!) [23:38]
mircea_popescu it's complicated. [23:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361881 << holding a billion dollars worth of funbux IS PAYING !111!1 [23:41]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:42:19; asciilifeform: pay for it to happen. [23:41]
mircea_popescu this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares. [23:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361874 << yeah i intend to. [23:41]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 00:33:00; kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later. [23:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under. [23:43]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 01:01:34; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely [23:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, re german penis ornaments : in fairness merely a coupla centuries ago their grandfathers went to congo or wherever and used the local boys in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reason. [23:44]
mircea_popescu nature's the ultimate fairness. [23:44]
mircea_popescu http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault-steal-one-german-train-station-new-years-eve/ << lulzy. [23:46]
assbot REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve ... ( http://bit.ly/1mHybvR ) [23:46]
mircea_popescu germany had it's own rotherham. [23:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00049879 = 26.6853 BTC [-] {4} [23:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362177 << wai wut ?! [23:48]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:40:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under. [23:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, jack baruth dude's puttign way too much pressure on the kid. [23:48]
mircea_popescu manhood is all about lazy. [23:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a large pile of transactions bitbet is making, which are the topic of that conversation. [23:49]
asciilifeform ah them [23:49]
asciilifeform i misread as mircea_popescu having paid somebody 1kbtc to work on mircea_popescucoin. [23:49]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362174 << i can print and 'hodl' ten quintillion shares in an imaginary interstellar shipping company, does not bring ftl flight any closer [23:50]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 02:38:57; mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares. [23:50]
mircea_popescu but if you print them and i hodl them, i will be correct in saying that i invested their value in ftl flight. [23:51]
mircea_popescu poor investment as that may be. [23:51]
asciilifeform if you paid something for them - yes [23:52]
asciilifeform then, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, you invested whatever it was that you paid. [23:52]
mircea_popescu mno. that pov is "pot-investment". ie, since i put 5 dollars in the pot, i own 5 dollars in the pot. [23:53]
mircea_popescu the value is whatever you could get for them. [23:53]
* asciilifeform is 'poorfag' and reasons in such terms, yes [23:53]
mircea_popescu which is why whether i bought a bitcoin for a dollar or for a thousand, my current holding value for a bitcoin is still whatever ELSE i could get for a bitcoin [23:53]
mircea_popescu "2) a large fleet of submarines currently being equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles (a capability the US Navy still lacks) for holding the “barbarians” at a distance from the fight;" << heh. let's best not talk about that. [23:53]
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asciilifeform incidentally note the lack of a 'naval isis' [23:54]
asciilifeform something about supersonic sea rockets that seems to favour mega-state, mega-surprise [23:55]
mircea_popescu this has been a historical problem of the arabs. [23:55]
mircea_popescu couldn't sail for shit. [23:55]
asciilifeform and note how the golden age of piracy ended. [23:55]
asciilifeform and ever watch those little clips on youtube of what happens when ru navy runs into somalis ? [23:56]
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mircea_popescu by spain going bankrupt ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu i dun watch youtubeh. [23:56]
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asciilifeform while one or more mega-states remain standing - they own the sea. [23:58]
asciilifeform and air. [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049731 = 11.4879 BTC [-] {2} [23:58]
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asciilifeform (in the same way, and for same reason, as btc mining) [23:58]
mircea_popescu spain was megastate, owned nothing. [23:59]
mircea_popescu again : nobody owns the free man. [23:59]
asciilifeform megastate was not invented. [23:59]
mircea_popescu heh. [23:59]
asciilifeform ferdinand did not have panopticon. [23:59]
mircea_popescu looky : you can try and package this until the cows come home. there shall never be an acceptable excuse. [23:59]
mircea_popescu freedom's inside. [23:59]
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