Forum logs for 06 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu but in gauzy news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maznqwHuZ81qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [00:04]
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BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: the slashdot thing is raw sewage. srsly i 'want my five minutes back' plox. << Ask gasenwagen driver for a cigarette when the time comes [00:20]
BingoBoingo In other news that time you personally get called a lunatic by Luke-Jr and not just a lunatic, but the only lunatic whose opinon doesn't matter. https://archive.is/ChHAo [00:44]
assbot luke-jr comments on "Intel Chips To Get Slower" <- Particularly relevant for scaling ... ( http://bit.ly/1SyNCVe ) [00:44]
BingoBoingo Does anyone know if there's a prize for that [00:44]
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danielpbarron heh, dat vpn [01:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00056313 = 1.0136 BTC [+] [01:13]
BingoBoingo I have no idea when I'm going to stop glowing about recieving special contempt from Luke-Jr [01:24]
BingoBoingo !up Luke-Jr [01:25]
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Luke-Jr wait, that's you? I thought it was mircea_popescu [01:26]
BingoBoingo No it's Mircea doesn't have time to write that much for Qntra. [01:26]
BingoBoingo !down Luke-Jr Before you take my glow away [01:27]
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danielpbarron hehe [01:27]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell Luke-Jr Fuck yourself for editing that reddit comment and taking my glow away. I want you to go to the grave of blessed Mary mother of Jesus and very deeply and profoundly fuck yourself. [01:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:30]
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BingoBoingo 17 months of Qntra, with 5 of them at the helm... I though I hit a significant milestone. Then it turns out that either I was honestly confused for Mircea Popescu or just maybe... Luke-Jr just tried to steal that milestone because he has so much contempt for me he was compelled to steal my satisfaction. [01:35]
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thestringpuller Luke-Jr keeps on derpin' [01:53]
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mircea_popescu lol poor bb. [02:29]
mircea_popescu dun worry man, we still know you're really me. [02:29]
BingoBoingo lol [02:48]
mircea_popescu "For the purposes of this vexatious litigation decision what is important is whether or not delivering the September 25, 2015 documents to the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench satisfies the actus reus and mens rea requirements of Criminal Code, s 423.1. On a balance of probabilities, I conclude that it does." [02:54]
mircea_popescu epic. civil procedure applied to criminal code adjudications. [02:54]
mircea_popescu this guy is pretty lulzy. [02:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ [02:54]
mircea_popescu " The fact that this Court would never have entered Boisjoli’s materials as a default judgment that could then be enforced by ‘conventional’ means is immaterial. Criminal Code, s 24(1) is explicit that the fact an attempt to commit an offence could not succeed is irrelevant to whether or not that offence was attempted: [02:56]
mircea_popescu 24.(1) Every one who, having an intent to commit an offence, does or omits to do anything for the purpose of carrying out the intention is guilty of an attempt to commit the offence whether or not it was possible under the circumstances to commit the offence." [02:56]
mircea_popescu hurr. [02:56]
mircea_popescu check out the great laws they got up north! [02:56]
BingoBoingo Truly is 'Murica's hat [03:06]
mircea_popescu "[112] I make the above order on an interim basis effective immediately. In keeping with the procedure adopted in R v Fearn, at para 54, Chutskoff v Bonora, at para 138, and Lymer (Re), 2014 ABQB 696 (CanLII) at para 58, final operation of this Order is stayed for 30 days until November 6, 2015 to allow the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General to make submissions to change or vary this order, per Judicature A [03:11]
mircea_popescu ct, s 23.1(3), should the Minister of Justice and Attorney General wish to do so within that period of time. Absent any submissions this order will become final on November 6, 2015." << the best part is that the dude spent a while harping about how bullshit foisted agreements are bullshit ; then went on to do EXACTLY the same ; and all the while fails to understand wtf exactly impels the guy to behave thusly. [03:11]
mircea_popescu doh. he doesn't think you're special. because you're all equals and whatnot. what's so hard to grasp ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu gee whiz, i wonder where plaintif caught on this idea that "unless you so and so in 30 days you so and so" [03:12]
mircea_popescu then the bit where he attacks the notary is particularly precious. [03:13]
mircea_popescu "[116] I have previously concluded, on a balance of probabilities, that these documents were intended to illegally assert a debt against the Officer and Alberta, and that the attempt to file the documents Powell notarized is an indictable criminal offense. Powell is obviously in breach of the Code of Conduct." [03:13]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is the notary to know what you'll find when the stuff he notarizes butthurts your preferred coloring of reality ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu bonus points for the item two paragraphs supra, where the judge nigh-on admits that he tried to track down the guy and have a little behind the scenes compact with him. sadly he wasn't also a laywer. this of course is deeply different from "criminal scheme to bla bla". [03:15]
* mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. [03:15]
mircea_popescu bonus points to where j d rooke got so hot and bothered under the collar he originally made a ruling so broken (through disallowing appeal improperly) he had to come in with a "corrigendum", which apparently is how it works in canada. [03:23]
mircea_popescu in every jurisdiction i heard of clerical errors can be corrected by order, unless it touches to the substance. but again, canada, who knows. [03:23]
mircea_popescu getting back to the other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m83s9b6zNK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [03:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/23P7Z3K ) [03:25]
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punkman http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/FuturePCHardware.html#l1 [04:18]
assbot The Temple Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjn185 ) [04:18]
mircea_popescu hahaha templeos guy is making his own hardware now ? [04:20]
mircea_popescu alf starts all the good fads ;/ [04:20]
mircea_popescu "We will make a spec for a perfectly standardized, $2500, cryogenically-cooled [04:20]
mircea_popescu monster desktop PC. Everybody in the developed world will buy one over the next [04:20]
mircea_popescu ten years, so quantity of 400,000,000, perhaps" [04:20]
punkman gotta love terry [04:21]
mircea_popescu his point re heat is actually quite sound. why the fuck do i have a cpu instead of a motherboard sized asic thing ? [04:22]
punkman because 300mm wafer slice is expensive? [04:22]
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mircea_popescu computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron. [04:22]
punkman that's more reasonable yes [04:23]
punkman "the display will be 4K (and of course 640x480 16 color)" heh [04:27]
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punkman http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Doc/RedSea.html#l1 candidate for bitcoin-fs? [04:36]
assbot The Temple Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo87M ) [04:36]
punkman "We do not want UTF, just 8-bit characters. Somebody needs to choose new 8-bit ASCII characters for 128-255, since we do not want text graphic symbols. We want Russian, Greek or Hebrew alphabets, perhaps? ... Japan, China and Korea should switch-over to alphabets. Maybe, the United States will change to metric, out of good will." [04:43]
danielpbarron >> God said Linux's Wine should replace Windows. << of course he never cites chapter and verse on any of these "God said"s [04:46]
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punkman he cites a lot of verses, but also has some kind of bible-markov-chain that says new things [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00056557 = 3.7893 BTC [+] {2} [04:57]
fluffypony danielpbarron: duh, he's quoting 1 Terry 7:38 [04:58]
fluffypony "And in those days god spake unto Terry. And he said unto him: 'Terry', for that was name. And he proceeded to say: 'Terry, we need to talk about Windows.'" [05:00]
fluffypony and so on [05:00]
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punkman http://jollyrogertelephone.com/ [05:32]
assbot Jolly Roger Telephone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd73i4 ) [05:32]
punkman http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-salaries-haunt-some-job-hunters-1454634475 [05:38]
assbot High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7tF9 ) [05:38]
punkman http://assets.bwbx.io/images/ioXhw1XZQPAo/v1/-1x-1.png [05:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7ARg ) [05:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00056313 = 2.337 BTC [-] {2} [06:35]
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punkman https://github.com/Whonix/gpg-bash-lib [07:40]
assbot GitHub - Whonix/gpg-bash-lib: gpg file verification bash library, addresses comprehensive threat model, that covers file name tampering, indefinite freeze, rollback, endless data attacks, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1USQMAo ) [07:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00056558 = 5.5427 BTC [+] [08:38]
BingoBoingo !Up fuc [09:00]
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BingoBoingo From the mines: Tinder has blocked one New Jersey 23-year-old, Robyn Gedrich, from using the app after several users reported her for spamming them with the same request: “Do you feel the bern? Please text WORK to 82623 for me. Thanks!” She sent that message to dozens of matches each day for two weeks straight. [09:00]
punkman http://watson2016.com/ [09:12]
assbot Watson for President 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SzU3Hs ) [09:12]
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BingoBoingo In other marginal news: Docker, employer of the late Debian Founder, has now hired the Alpine Linux founder and is moving all their images to that. Might be relevant if anyone was looking at that musl based distro [09:31]
BingoBoingo punkman: Watson's not old enough. IBM's Deep Blue and Deep Though aren't quite old enough yet. [09:32]
BingoBoingo Gotta be 35, so ChipTest will be old enough for the 2020 elections [09:33]
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BingoBoingo Now U of Illinois's Plato could run if it didn't die in 2006. Born in 1960 so 11 years older than Rubio. [09:35]
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BingoBoingo Of potential ethical and slutical interest http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/02/05/sources-u-l-imposing-postseason-hoops-ban/79878760/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= [09:51]
assbot Louisville Basketball self-imposed post-season ban for 2015-16 season ... ( http://bit.ly/20NBIaW ) [09:51]
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BingoBoingo "The decision comes as the NCAA continues to investigate Katina Powell’s claims that she and other escorts were paid thousands of dollars and given game tickets by former basketball staffer Andre McGee in exchange for dancing for and having sex with U of L players and recruits from 2010-14. The NCAA could still levy further sanctions on U of L in addition to the self-imposed penalty, but university president James Ramsey is hope [09:52]
BingoBoingo ful that the postseason ban will reduce the harshness of any potential punishment in the future." [09:52]
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BingoBoingo !up pete_d_out [09:59]
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pete_d_out cheers bb [09:59]
BingoBoingo You're welcome [10:00]
BingoBoingo No shortage of logs for pete [10:03]
pete_d_out so catching up : mp opened a nifty contest, intel affirmed the sensibility of the current blocksize, mccollarbone is on "pace" to win the bitbet, and my qntra about technology and politics, if admittedly not about bitcoin, was a bit long-winded. did i miss anything else ? [10:03]
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pete_d_out http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397676 <-- found more from this same lulzathon here, for those interested in how the legal system in petelandia works (or doesn't) --> http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=10814 [10:08]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 06:15:26; *: mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. [10:08]
assbot Allen Boisjoli - Alberta stomps on vexatious OPCA lititgant - Quatloos! ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKsCd2 ) [10:08]
BingoBoingo pete_d_out: When you're authed we'll have the discussion to guide the sense of humor in the future that changes everything [10:08]
pete_d_out okie dokie karoake [10:09]
BingoBoingo pete_d_out: Well McCollarbone is only on pace if he keeps up the pace set in the sample size of two games he has after returning so far. [10:11]
pete_d_out aha, see : https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5612 [10:11]
assbot BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.45 B (3%) on Yes, 12.72 B (97%) on No | closed 6 days 13 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/20NDbOo ) [10:11]
BingoBoingo It's not so ridiculous. He's just gotta average a bit over two point per game for the rest of the season. [10:13]
pete_d_out http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397706 <-- para los que non tienen una suscripcion --> https://archive.is/5QNIo [10:15]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 08:38:34; assbot: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7tF9 ) [10:15]
assbot High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKtcHV ) [10:15]
pete_d_out BingoBoingo that's not ridiculous like gavin averaging 100 btc per annum salary for the rest of his days, just as he did when vessenes scam was peaking, isn't ridiculous [10:16]
pete_d_out in the same way and for the same reasons [10:17]
BingoBoingo Well, the bet is if he lives up to the hype. Doing that for a career? Ridiculous. For 29-30 games perfectly possible if improbable as reflected by the BitBet odds [10:17]
BingoBoingo This one seems to be just about as improbably as the money on BitBet demonstrates, and I'm really liking the money I put on "Yes" before he got injured. [10:19]
pete_d_out ya, 25:1 isn't far off. [10:19]
pete_d_out in other, "how do we measure our cocks, in cm or inches" news, http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/05/most-expensive-car-ever-auctioned-it-depends.html [10:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKtwGx ) [10:20]
pete_d_out http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396802 << heh. "moolteepahs" [10:22]
assbot Logged on 04-02-2016 21:59:36; ascii_butugychag: remember the 'desk elephant' ? [10:22]
pete_d_out http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396683 << o.O i can't be the only one who'd like to hear the rest of this story. [10:29]
assbot Logged on 04-02-2016 20:43:37; ascii_butugychag: or the one who came by my old office disguised as 'friendly neighbour, retired blahblahblah' [10:29]
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BingoBoingo !up pete_d_out [10:35]
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pete_d_out gracias [10:35]
pete_d_out http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396617 << bwahaha. finally a use for gimps. [10:37]
assbot Logged on 04-02-2016 20:20:17; ascii_butugychag: 'fuck you, my public key is m * the next mersenne prime' [10:37]
pete_d_out might cause a bit of lag in communication, making 'practical blockchain telegraphy' look zippy, but hey, if it's important enough.. [10:40]
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pete_d_out "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. [10:43]
pete_d_out “Workers are still a little discounted” in most fields, said Linda Barrington, executive director of the Institute for Compensation Studies at Cornell University’s ILR School. “Employers won’t pay what the last person in the job was paid because labor is now on sale.”" << ahh, i can taste the sweet butthurt tears of bahamas and his dream of a fully employed economy. "no one could've predicted" eh ? [10:43]
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pete_d_out in other, "no you can't have nice things if you're a plebe" news : http://www.eweek.com/pc-hardware/amd-unveils-virtualized-gpus-new-quiet-chips.html [10:48]
assbot AMD Unveils Virtualized GPUs, New Quiet Chips ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKw47D ) [10:48]
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BingoBoingo If AMD can survive its debt for 5-7 years, they'll be in a pretty sweet place for competing with Intel. [10:51]
pete_d_out " In the latest move, AMD unveiled its FirePro S-Series GPUs that include the company's hardware-virtualization GPU architecture, Multiuser GPU (MxGPU). The technology is aimed at such segments as virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI), remote workstations, cloud gaming and cloud computing." << is cloud gaming a thing now ? i thought it was all ipad gaming. [10:51]
pete_d_out BingoBoingo sorta like which of medusa's heads "wins" at this point [10:52]
pete_d_out or cerberus or or etc [10:52]
BingoBoingo Cloud gaming is how they suppose they will feed iPads 3D graphics [10:52]
pete_d_out aha [10:52]
pete_d_out as if the nonexistent demand for counterstrike on an ipad is such a market driver [10:53]
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pete_d_out but ianag [10:53]
BingoBoingo I dunno that customers actually want it. More a buzzword collision that attracts dumb money. [10:54]
BingoBoingo From people who don't grok the whole network latency deal. [10:54]
pete_d_out like "social media synergy" or "the uber of plasticine houses" [10:54]
BingoBoingo Well consider what AMD did with their first generation "Bobcat" fusion chips. Fallout 3 was a bit old when those came out, but when the Bobcats were introduce there was no other way to play fallout 3 in the same power consumption envelope. [10:56]
BingoBoingo Gotta stamp out the latency wherever it lives [10:57]
* BingoBoingo waits for Bitcoin node on SSD controller chip tutorial [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00056802 = 5.9642 BTC [+] {2} [10:58]
pete_d_out speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there. [10:58]
pete_d_out fuck, i'd totally run a 10 ghz pentium. not like i pay for leccy. [10:59]
pete_d_out BingoBoingo that'd be pretty neat [10:59]
BingoBoingo pete_d_out: 5gHz overclocks aren't that new [11:00]
* pete_d_out imagines unplugging 220v stove to run p4 beastputer [11:00]
pete_d_out BingoBoingo that's exactly moore's problem [11:00]
BingoBoingo You know AMD chips overclock too. [11:00]
pete_d_out they're damn near a decade old! [11:01]
BingoBoingo If going 2008 vintage might as well make sure you get ECC and x64 that works with everything on the board [11:01]
pete_d_out "oh, but we added more cores so it feeeeels faster" [11:01]
BingoBoingo Well more core makes sense on 1 level, places to put other shit. It's what buying opteron fabric by the yard would be based on [11:02]
pete_d_out well, my clock's running out. i'll check back in soon :) [11:02]
BingoBoingo later [11:03]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397676 << rule of lawl [12:30]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 06:15:26; *: mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. [12:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397683 << fart in the wind [12:30]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 07:19:55; mircea_popescu: hahaha templeos guy is making his own hardware now ? [12:30]
asciilifeform let's see him 'make' so much as a flashlight. [12:31]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397690 << aha. [12:31]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 07:22:22; punkman: because 300mm wafer slice is expensive? [12:31]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397691 << fpga fabric. as i described maybe 1,001 times. [12:31]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 07:22:28; mircea_popescu: computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron. [12:31]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397693 << the secret gag is that the 4k refers to... usd. it must. [12:32]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 07:26:50; punkman: "the display will be 4K (and of course 640x480 16 color)" heh [12:32]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397698 << templeos comes with a 'talk to god' terminal. [12:33]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 07:55:33; punkman: he cites a lot of verses, but also has some kind of bible-markov-chain that says new things [12:33]
asciilifeform i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. [12:33]
BingoBoingo There's 4k screens under $800 now, but at what COST!!! [12:33]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a fella i know installed one on his desk instead of a proper monitor. looks - imho - like shit [12:33]
asciilifeform pixels the size of gridpaper squares. [12:34]
asciilifeform and go and try turning it into vertical orientation, looks like shit soup [12:34]
asciilifeform (the correct orientation for a programmer's display is vertical.) [12:34]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397712 << holy FUCK what a steaming crock of shit. where does punkman find these ? [12:35]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 10:40:29; punkman: https://github.com/Whonix/gpg-bash-lib [12:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397741 << to the extent that this is an actual thing, it is an ancient plague, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-08-2015#1223259 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223627 [12:37]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:15:25; pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397706 <-- para los que non tienen una suscripcion --> https://archive.is/5QNIo [12:37]
assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 17:23:51; ascii_field: gernika: for the record, i once tried to get 'blue collar' work, and failed. turned away, 'overqualified, you'll leave as soon as you can' [12:37]
assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 02:48:13; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia [12:37]
BingoBoingo and go and try turning it into vertical orientation, looks like shit soup << AMD thinkpadish was acquired for acceptable vertical quality. Imagined myself holding it like a book for ebook reading. [12:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ick [12:37]
asciilifeform mega-unbalance [12:38]
BingoBoingo Turns out... occasions I'd want to do that instead of imagine doing that are rare. [12:38]
asciilifeform or was it one of those things that folds 180 degree [12:38]
BingoBoingo It goes out to near 180 flat [12:38]
asciilifeform nono, the other way [12:38]
asciilifeform where you end up with the keyboard parallel to and behind the screen [12:39]
BingoBoingo Fuck no. [12:39]
asciilifeform then useless [12:39]
BingoBoingo But actually rather well balanced [12:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << work in moar webdev, aha [12:40]
BingoBoingo I thank the battery protruding from the back for that. [12:40]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:43:34; pete_d_out: "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. [12:40]
asciilifeform being on the interchangeable-part end of fungibility sucks, newz at 11 [12:40]
mircea_popescu in lieu of good morning, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2pm9kcA871qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [12:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nUfSEX ) [12:40]
asciilifeform guten morgen mircea_popescu [12:41]
mircea_popescu how is the world today! [12:41]
BingoBoingo Not very changed from yesterday [12:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397765 << if you crunch the simple arithmetic re: propagation delays, it reveals that one of two things: a) whole thing is a scam, not actually intended to happen in physical reality b) collectivized, 'kolhoz' of gaming processor will be installed on street corner router cabinets, one per 100 houses or so, this will go great with ownership of actual computer being Officially forb [12:43]
asciilifeform idden [12:43]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:51:36; pete_d_out: " In the latest move, AMD unveiled its FirePro S-Series GPUs that include the company's hardware-virtualization GPU architecture, Multiuser GPU (MxGPU). The technology is aimed at such segments as virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI), remote workstations, cloud gaming and cloud computing." << is cloud gaming a thing now ? i thought it was all ipad gaming. [12:43]
asciilifeform and b) would put amd on the leading edge of advanced usgtronics of the Fyootoor, at last [12:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you think this because you don't know gaming. [12:44]
asciilifeform in not entirely unrelated news, old-stock opteron cpus are being sold in crates of 1,000+, for ~1-2 usd/ea. in qty. [12:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which kind of gaming a) uses gpu silicon b) tolerates 100ms+ wire delay ? [12:45]
mircea_popescu i dunno how familiar you are with ipad/android on one hand, and steam and derivatives on the other ; but amd's ploy is plainly to make a hardware-sum-of-these. [12:45]
mircea_popescu it won't work, for many reasons, but they are desperate so reaching out for stevejobian straws. [12:45]
asciilifeform no but think. whole point of gpu is acceleration [12:45]
mircea_popescu ipad gaming, that kind of gaming. [12:46]
asciilifeform it has no purpose (when used as prescribed) aside from throwing pixels on a screen in real time [12:46]
asciilifeform ~in real time~ [12:46]
mircea_popescu there's a large segment of idiots that moved to "eye candy slowly" paradigm [12:46]
asciilifeform not 100ms later [12:46]
mircea_popescu no real time exists anywhere near anything apple. [12:46]
asciilifeform idk i saw a perfectly fine 'doom' running on ipad [12:46]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes & his hipster friends are happy to wait 30 s for a webmail screen to load [12:46]
mircea_popescu that you might have, now go play angry birds. [12:46]
asciilifeform iirc that's a '80s-style 2d arcade thing [12:47]
mircea_popescu even the notion of "pvp" has been perverted into "pick a team out of this list and cpu will play it for you - thereby you're attacking another player" [12:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. this is what they do, because this is what the mob wants, because mob is mentally retarded. PRETTIFY angry birds! [12:47]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Last I checked Angry Birds runs in most turd browsers with user agent set to chrome [12:47]
asciilifeform game began and ended with msdos for me [12:48]
asciilifeform fortunately there are more wonderful dos titles than i have expected life left [12:48]
* shinohai imagines asciilifeform playing the Oregon Trail still .... [12:48]
asciilifeform 'you have died of death, please play again' [12:48]
asciilifeform when i say dos, i mean '90s dos. [12:48]
asciilifeform not dark age. [12:49]
mircea_popescu yes, this is fine and good, i'm just saying the reasons they do what they do are outside of your experience. [12:49]
asciilifeform probably. but nobody cancelled speed of light. [12:49]
mircea_popescu basically [a segment of] gaming has turned into "gimme a minimally interactive tv show" [12:49]
asciilifeform this began in '90s with the appearance of cdrom [12:49]
asciilifeform and continued. [12:50]
mircea_popescu the trend is evident enoughj that fucking southpark mocked the tendency of kids to prefer to watch youtube vids of other people playing their games. [12:50]
mircea_popescu much like their parents much prefer to watch video footage of other [black, preferably] men fucking their wives. [12:50]
asciilifeform took a giant leap forward with the extinction of the intelligent, discerning game consumer [12:50]
mircea_popescu so in this sense, something like "gpu-powered ipad game, 100ms delayed" is a great competition for cable tv [12:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: South Park's "Stick of Truth" pretty much set the bar for interactive TV sold as game [12:50]
mircea_popescu as social media and general laziness drove the cost of producing tv shows why the fuck up, forcing ever present decreases in quality, [12:51]
mircea_popescu it's feasible average consumer would prefer to watch visually upgraded angry birds on amd hardware to watching another talkshow. [12:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397780 << straight to your local welding shop, pete_d_out, and fill up yer dewar with ln2, this is an ancient recipe [12:52]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:59:04; pete_d_out: fuck, i'd totally run a 10 ghz pentium. not like i pay for leccy. [12:52]
asciilifeform (it doesn't go straight on the cpu, no, will crack the mb and drown in condensation. it goes in the tank through which you pump the oil.) [12:53]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/#comment-116450 << does anyone understand what this fellow is saying ? [12:53]
assbot That's right, time to move on. Please do. Bitcoin is really not for you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nUh3nN ) [12:53]
mircea_popescu quoted here because my spamthing identified it as legit, and i had do to a triple taker and im STILL not convinced this is not a spam script. [12:53]
asciilifeform spam. [12:53]
mircea_popescu how do you know ? [12:53]
mircea_popescu i gotta train this machine. [12:53]
BingoBoingo Phillipino on acid, no real way to mechanically filter [12:54]
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asciilifeform l0l reads sorta like an actual mentally defective human doesnnit [12:54]
adlai > Blocksteams [12:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta be defective human [12:55]
mircea_popescu dude i have no idea, might be cultural barrier. [12:55]
mircea_popescu maybe that's how you'rte supposed to speak in indian. [12:55]
mircea_popescu one of the 7000 of them out there anyway. [12:55]
mircea_popescu more languages spoken in india than languages spoken in total. [12:55]
BingoBoingo Actually does look like maybe a poorly hand corrected google translate [12:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, it includes one link, and that link does not work. [12:56]
asciilifeform 'why did 33 crores (330M) of gods never cough up a flush toilet?' -- uncle al [12:56]
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mircea_popescu i happen to have an answer for that. [12:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's a personal landing page site done in Angular.js so invisible to sane browsers [12:56]
mircea_popescu the lords had women to lick their asshole clean ; the rest of the world can go hang. [12:57]
mircea_popescu i am not overall so convinced clasical eastern despotisms were so very wrong. yes provably wrong, but then again so is the west. [12:57]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397806 << I saw mention of nist public rng thing [12:57]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 15:33:16; asciilifeform: i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. [12:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not so much 'wrong' as have obvious engineering limits. just as the west has own, aha [12:58]
BingoBoingo I dunno about provably wrong. Giving Hegel a spin has me feeling rather favorable to the classical eastern despotisms he shat on. [12:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the idea being then that perhaps with better management.,.. [12:58]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397812 recommended in gpg-users ml. needs moar stuff sticking out the sides [12:58]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 15:35:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397712 << holy FUCK what a steaming crock of shit. where does punkman find these ? [12:58]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wanted to show you what i see, but archive.is hanged for 30s + on GET https://176651799.log.optimizely.com/event?a=176651799&d=176651799&y=false&src=js&s177247141=false&s177238534=gc&s177274055=direct&tsent=1454774294.31&n=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2F&u=oeu1454774294298r0.48049287940375507&wxhr=true&time=1454774294.309&f=2389180153&g=&cx2=a0df6d22 [12:59]
mircea_popescu make that more like 2 minutes. [12:59]
BingoBoingo Anyways Qntra had its not sure if spam comment http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-chips-to-get-slower/#comment-45062 [12:59]
assbot Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ4Z2 ) [12:59]
mircea_popescu hey everyone : you NEEEEED!!!11 optimizely.com [12:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's what angular.js does [12:59]
mircea_popescu they'll fuck up your pageloads! no need to fuck them up youselves! [12:59]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397829 << goes well with http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-03/from-coal-to-coding-appalachian-miners-getting-a-fresh-start [12:59]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 15:40:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << work in moar webdev, aha [12:59]
assbot Appalachian Miners Are Learning to Code - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ3oa ) [12:59]
BingoBoingo It's a mindset [13:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://archive.is/KU3op << nothing there. [13:00]
assbot about.me | your personal homepage ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ6QG ) [13:00]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would i want to send people to a landing page "aboput me" where someone else advertises other fucking idiots. [13:00]
mircea_popescu what the everloving fuck. [13:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that seems like a reference to something in trilema. [13:00]
BingoBoingo There would be something there if the javascript was allowed 3 virgin afghan goats and a solstice with which to load [13:01]
BingoBoingo Ah [13:01]
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mircea_popescu !up Peter00 [13:04]
-assbot- You voiced Peter00 for 30 minutes. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu "After more than 20 years as an electronics engineer, Pete Edwards reached the low six-figure pay level. Now, as he looks for a job following a layoff, he finds that salary success a burden." [13:05]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha. [13:05]
mircea_popescu this whole "overqualified" thing is a very peculiar usg instrument of lizardlet punishment. [13:05]
mircea_popescu kinda like the soviet equivalent, "oh, so you got kicked out of your party commission thing ? no, you can't have a job. because fuck you, that's why" [13:05]
mircea_popescu god forbid everyone in wash dc goes "fuck you, fix the office policies or else ima be a carpenter" [13:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397707 << curious if anyone knows how this looked back when the us was an ascending rather than a falling star. say 1880, or 1950. [13:07]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 08:40:04; punkman: http://assets.bwbx.io/images/ioXhw1XZQPAo/v1/-1x-1.png [13:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397725 << i don't get it, what is wrong with this ? [13:08]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 12:52:40; BingoBoingo: "The decision comes as the NCAA continues to investigate Katina Powell’s claims that she and other escorts were paid thousands of dollars and given game tickets by former basketball staffer Andre McGee in exchange for dancing for and having sex with U of L players and recruits from 2010-14. The NCAA could still levy further sanctions on U of L in addition to the self-imposed penalty, but [13:08]
mircea_popescu if i were him i'd fucking advertise it. [13:08]
mircea_popescu "come play for our team, free hookers buffet at lunch" [13:09]
mircea_popescu it is mostly a black kids' thing, neh ? [13:09]
mircea_popescu how the fuck are you to compete with rappers. [13:09]
BingoBoingo What's wrong is the preemptive punishment [13:09]
mircea_popescu "thousands of dollars" ? earlier "electrical engineer" derp apparently made "low six figures", ie, 1/100 of what a house costs. [13:09]
BingoBoingo Team just up and punishes itself. [13:10]
mircea_popescu what the fuck, whore budget for us tv sports team should be in the hundred mil a year sorta thing. [13:10]
mircea_popescu what is wrong with these people ? [13:10]
BingoBoingo Everything is wrong with them [13:10]
mircea_popescu in vaguely related lulz : romanian women are sane ; as a result they're all over europe fucking the shit out of everything that moves ; as a result butthurt euroheads don't want to extend schengen zone to romania unless it "controils the problem" ; [13:11]
mircea_popescu as a result romania decides to legalize prostitution. [13:11]
mircea_popescu "why the fuck send the whores there so you make most of the money and still bitch about it ? instead come here, pay 10x as much and we keep it all" [13:12]
mircea_popescu idiot is as idiot does. [13:12]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397806 << it sounds like witchcraft/divination to me; I burned my yarrow stalks and i ching books over this [13:14]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 15:33:16; asciilifeform: i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. [13:14]
danielpbarron and on the topic of ipad/phone games. Recently I bought the 'Catan' app after my brother showed me this board game. It's notbad.jpg [13:14]
danielpbarron turn based, so latency isn't an issue [13:16]
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mircea_popescu in other news, banana and peach smoothie kicks ass. [13:21]
mircea_popescu settlers of catan is that danielpbarron ? [13:21]
danielpbarron yes [13:22]
danielpbarron i squeaked out a victory against 2 people and a bot last night; came down to dueling knight cards, and I had more :D [13:22]
mircea_popescu cool [13:23]
mircea_popescu i played a game of poker with some local whores last night, busted my million within an hour. [13:23]
mircea_popescu in 40k rebuys! [13:23]
danielpbarron .. [13:23]
danielpbarron what is the unit of account here? argentine funny money? [13:24]
mircea_popescu ah the funniest thing : they wouldn't play poker. they wanted to play IPAD APP POKER! [13:24]
mircea_popescu so we all sat there with tables playing "poker" for a while. [13:24]
mircea_popescu so negotiable value of ~0, but i guess fun. [13:24]
danielpbarron it probably suffers from the same problem as catan : bad rng [13:25]
danielpbarron the catan app at least has a "stack" dice mode where you can get even distribution if not actual randomness [13:25]
mircea_popescu well it suffers from the problem of bored waitress (shop girl / whore / whatever), they get into these fixations vaguely reminescent of "la pie a une manie : elle volle tout ce qui brille" [13:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, they all had billions in ipad poker money and got some sort of bonus or whatever for inviting new players. [13:26]
mircea_popescu "agreed. i like allan as a friend. to meet him you would probably like him too. he isnt nuts in general like many are. i have sat in on a few court dates that cant be brought up on here. allan and his family got shafted. that put al in a hard spot and drove his theories to what we have now. there was no reason for his kids to be taken. if there was i would gladly say so. in a way the courts created allan the vexatious. [13:27]
mircea_popescu he even tried the lawyer route for the sake of the children but the families could not afford it for long." [13:27]
mircea_popescu heh. [13:27]
mircea_popescu OF FUCKING COURSE the courts created the vexatious. what else created it, basil plants ? [13:28]
mircea_popescu but somehow it is ok to say "the presence of whores promotes disease", but conventionally not ok to say "the presence of courts promotes vexation". [13:28]
mircea_popescu sorta like in the early colonies it was ok to say "tomatoes are poisonous" and nobody was supposed to notice that "Eating off lead plates because you wanna be as cool as the europeans eating off silver but are poor and stupid is still a bad plan". [13:29]
mircea_popescu "i can only say so much for a few reasons. first allan is my friend. we dont agree on many points but this does not mean i care to make any assumptions about his beliefs on law and governance or his personal life. second there is a publication ban on things which i hold first hand knowledge of. i belive those cases were sealed as a cover up of what actually went on. there is nothing anyone will write here that will cha [13:30]
mircea_popescu nge that. i was actually there. i will say i have seen no judge, crown, or family services member with the best interest of the children in mind (in this case). and that is a hard fact. [13:30]
mircea_popescu and i barely see the point of this discussion as we are not allowed by operation of law to discuss many relevant points to the story. i think you could discuss much without including any name. but it does not show the why of allan filing and trying the way he does. if i was him i would have no faith in the courts at all. [13:30]
mircea_popescu i can only speak here to clarify certain misgivings about my friend. or i will violate the publication ban as it all links together." [13:30]
mircea_popescu and yet the derp still actually upholds the nonsense. [13:30]
mircea_popescu dude... fuck delusional "courts bans". no court has the power to prevent public communication OF ANYTHING. [13:30]
mircea_popescu and in any manner. [13:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ? [13:33]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:43:34; pete_d_out: "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. [13:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397768 << oh it was in the logs already. [13:34]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:52:23; BingoBoingo: Cloud gaming is how they suppose they will feed iPads 3D graphics [13:34]
mircea_popescu aite, BingoBoingo has it lol. [13:34]
BingoBoingo yeah [13:34]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Wouldn’t it be great if it did?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/06/6907/ [13:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing. [13:35]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:58:34; pete_d_out: speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there. [13:35]
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mircea_popescu after mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is no more. [13:35]
mircea_popescu this is all coincidence and has exactly nothing to do with mp, of course. [13:35]
mircea_popescu then again, history is written by the coincidentors. [13:35]
mircea_popescu o look at that, bb's story still on slashdot first page. [13:36]
mircea_popescu penultimate item. how long was it now lessee [13:37]
mircea_popescu 19ish to 14ish let's say, about 19 hours. the net value of being a majorily contested news item on slashdot first page is ~3500 unique visitors, ~4500 pages read for an average of 1.28 (or in practice, using the 1% rule, ~3 people read the news item and left, ~300 people read 3-4 pages each and may be back). [13:39]
mircea_popescu you can buy the same results from google for ~ 1-300 bucks, and seeing how slashdot has 15 items per first page and apparently a new set daily, the upper bound of its productive value would then be somewhere between 45000 and say 100k per month. [13:40]
mircea_popescu of course you can get the exact same also free, but then again that requires "skill". [13:41]
BingoBoingo So It's about 25% of what it was in early 2013 and exactly what it was in late 2013 [13:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have." [13:44]
mircea_popescu see alf ? you don't know things! [13:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397943 << house costs 10M ?! [13:46]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:09:49; mircea_popescu: "thousands of dollars" ? earlier "electrical engineer" derp apparently made "low six figures", ie, 1/100 of what a house costs. [13:46]
mircea_popescu from same person, five minutes later, "Wait. 'Uses a 64 kbyte key' - is he mad? Does he realize the trouble he will have to go through when he has to transport over a network, or do a key agreement on, keys of that size?" [13:46]
mircea_popescu movingkeys over the wire! [13:46]
mircea_popescu what little knowledge we have! [13:47]
mircea_popescu this is better than the circus. [13:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ? [13:47]
mircea_popescu 10m pre-tax, pre interest. worth diddly. [13:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397955 << thread was about gpu. do you understand what gpu is and is for ? [13:47]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:16:03; danielpbarron: turn based, so latency isn't an issue [13:47]
mircea_popescu and now my dear friends, ima be off to send keys over wires. bbl. [13:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397983 << actually in anglo world it is routine for a prisoner to be held incommunicado. handy publication ban of whatever you like. [13:49]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:30:26; mircea_popescu: dude... fuck delusional "courts bans". no court has the power to prevent public communication OF ANYTHING. [13:49]
mod6 mornin' [13:50]
mircea_popescu and it is routine for rapists to kill their victims, in same anglo world. what of it ? [13:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397985 << there is an eternal unmet demand of folks who will do $work for ~$free. hence indians imported, etc. [13:50]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:33:13; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu heya mod6 [13:50]
mod6 :] [13:50]
asciilifeform there is NEVER any shortage of folks who will do $work for $maxint. they will fly down from mars if you pay enough. [13:50]
mircea_popescu I think I know what (s)he is talking about - it's similar to this one https://vimeo.com/7125141 [vimeo.com] , and involves MP breaking down in the face of confrontation. Not necessarily crying per se, but he acts like a kid who has been told he can't go out and play until he eats his broccoli. Might even be the same event, but this video was put out by MP and is edited to make MP look good, at least in his own eyes. << [13:51]
mircea_popescu i dun understand all this coloring. [13:51]
assbot Mircea Popescu - Sesiune training Birda, Timis on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1nPgJpL ) [13:51]
mircea_popescu what exactly is "breakinjg down" about me telling some random farmer at political rally why he can't have living wage ? [13:51]
mircea_popescu there's all this constant "oh i know why this person that's better than me did what he did, let me tell you!" bullshit. [13:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397992 << mno, it was quite readily dead in '07 and iirc apparent to most literate folk [13:51]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:35:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing. [13:51]
mircea_popescu apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. apparently my slaves are "whores" because hey, "it's unfair" or whatever. [13:52]
asciilifeform what there ~was~ is some vague 'hope of comeback' from magical wunderwaffen fabrication tech [13:52]
mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with people already. [13:52]
asciilifeform which - mega-unsurprise - never materialized [13:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform link me please. [13:52]
mircea_popescu i wish to see place where person in position of management/responsibility makes decision and publicly backs it by plain statement that moore law's a delusion. [13:52]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398004 << this is glorious, can we get the knowing-things fella in here somehow ? [13:53]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:45:04; mircea_popescu: see alf ? you don't know things! [13:53]
asciilifeform we could really use one [13:53]
mircea_popescu well... i suppose if you find prior art re moore's law ima buy slashdot and redirect it to logs. [13:53]
BingoBoingo It's amazing the people still around https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012359.html [13:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [13:54]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ofAg33 ) [13:54]
mircea_popescu ahaha this is best one yet. [13:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i saw the 'multicore' fad as more or less equivalent to a public proclamation of 'moore's law is dead' [13:54]
asciilifeform but perhaps this is not quite what mircea_popescu had in mind [13:54]
mircea_popescu derp #1 : "What is wrong with existing block ciphers like AES? AES has been in widespread use for over a decade and to the best of my knowledge, there is still no practical attack on it (unless someone has built a working quantum computer and not told anyone about it). Its totally free of patents and IP issues. Its been implemented in a huge variety of hardware and software (including the Intel CPU that I am using to m [13:55]
mircea_popescu ake this postining). Even the NSA trusts AES enough to certify it for use protecting top secret information." [13:55]
mircea_popescu derp #2 : Nothing. The guy is just a fool who believes that bigger block size is better. He's a very obvious sufferer of the Dunning Kruger effect [wikipedia.org] [13:55]
mircea_popescu FANCY THAT! [13:55]
mircea_popescu dude wasn't slashdot supposed to be made out of informed people and whatnot ? [13:55]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << obligatory re: 'aes is certified' [13:55]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl ) [13:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform finding threads for events after the event is a fun sort of historical game. nevertheless, the events are the events. [13:56]
asciilifeform now what i don't grasp is how the bitcoin block size thing wormed its way into that thread [13:56]
asciilifeform from where? [13:56]
asciilifeform what, word 'block' does not even exist for these folk outside of bitcoin terminology ? [13:56]
mircea_popescu they decided that the true reason (tm) must be workfunction-something. [13:57]
mircea_popescu but yeah, prolly free association. [13:57]
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BingoBoingo apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. << I did that troll [13:57]
mircea_popescu ah! [13:57]
mircea_popescu o wow, this is like 4chan now ? [13:57]
BingoBoingo Kinda [13:58]
BingoBoingo With less porn [13:58]
mircea_popescu sadly. [13:58]
mircea_popescu i remember the days, back when the mothers of the current crop of internet kids were still sucking cock on public grounds, that slashdot was really cool. [13:58]
asciilifeform not so much 'cool' as 'one of the only few things that there were' [13:59]
mircea_popescu then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool. [13:59]
BingoBoingo Well, the taco commander had to get paid [13:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is what cool means. [13:59]
asciilifeform the oasis may be crowded and full of shit but is still oasis [13:59]
mircea_popescu you have to understand cool is a political concept, much like "declase" in french salon world of 1800. [14:00]
mircea_popescu "if you make the list of places, and cross out the places where you woujldn't want to be seen, the result is the list of cool places" [14:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398011 << closer to 10. ~unless~ you use my magic formula and compute using ~the money you have left over to actually pay for the thing~ [14:03]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ? [14:03]
asciilifeform in which case you get the ridiculous american number of 30. which assumes an ideal spherical horse of an empire where the chump actually keeps getting that 100k for 30 years, and it isn't eaten away at by spiraling costs of fuel, food, medical, etc. [14:04]
asciilifeform (and, as per earlier thread, unemployment) [14:04]
asciilifeform which turns into a mathematically plausible but physically-ludicrous discussion akin to 'candle burning for 100 years will move a ferrari 1km forward' [14:07]
asciilifeform find me this candle. [14:07]
asciilifeform and the eternal, unrusting ferrari on the 100 year track, slowly creeping. [14:07]
BingoBoingo AHA, Like motorcarriage powered by radiothermal generator [14:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you can get a 1-3kW rtg [14:08]
asciilifeform for phreeeeee! [14:08]
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BingoBoingo But weighs car down how much? [14:08]
asciilifeform catch is, you will have to smuggle it out of kamchatka by rowboat [14:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a tonne or two [14:08]
asciilifeform this output would correspond to ~ 1-3 horses. [14:09]
asciilifeform which puts you right where you probably wanted to be. [14:09]
asciilifeform bonus, the carriage never gets cold... [14:10]
BingoBoingo So six ton golf car roughly after fending off volcanoes and bears with oars from boat [14:10]
BingoBoingo *golf cart [14:10]
asciilifeform to briefly return to the cipher thread, [14:12]
asciilifeform the major boojum re: asking for (as i asked for) a cipher that has an actual mathematical proof of security, is that there is precisely one such known, [14:12]
asciilifeform otp. [14:12]
asciilifeform afaik no effort to produce another has ever yielded anything. [14:12]
asciilifeform (if it had, it is a very well-kept secret, better kept than, e.g., nuke etc) [14:13]
asciilifeform (the otp proof is kindergarten-level - the ciphertext tells you nothing at all - as in 0 bits - about the key or the plaintext) [14:14]
asciilifeform given as it literally equals key xor plaintext. [14:14]
asciilifeform if i tell you that X xor Y == 1, you cannot infer X and Y, only that one is 1 and other is 0 [14:15]
asciilifeform qed. [14:15]
asciilifeform in any ciphersystem ~other~ than otp, the ciphertext carries, theoretically, ~some~ information re: the key. [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00056211 = 2.2203 BTC [+] {2} [14:17]
asciilifeform now one could try to prove that extracting this information usefully is computationally intractable. but this is never been publicly done. [14:18]
asciilifeform there are charlatans who will happily help you self-delude that it has been done, however. [14:18]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: dunno if this was in logs. but why is the "crypto comoonity" opposed to RSA? [14:18]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: guess why. [14:19]
thestringpuller every netsec guy at my coal mine is like "RSA is bad don't use it mmmkay. ECC please" [14:19]
thestringpuller i figure it's disinformation. but who am I to argue with "crypto experts!!!11" and such [14:19]
asciilifeform partly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2016#1382752 [14:21]
assbot Logged on 23-01-2016 15:35:48; asciilifeform: problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa. [14:21]
asciilifeform partly that ecc systems are poorly understood and trivial to trapdoor and kleptographically diddle, very usg-friendly [14:22]
asciilifeform (find me ~one~ 'netsec' tard who can explain how the curves are chosen) [14:23]
thestringpuller an exercise for the reader is always a good exercise. I'll see what 'netsec' tards at work say to that question. [14:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> otp. << if the key is 64kb, technically otp would work fine for message up to 64kb. [14:29]
mircea_popescu which... i dun recall the last time i used a message longer [14:29]
mircea_popescu POINT BEING that in order to justify his oats, horse better pull cart more than donkey. [14:29]
mircea_popescu so - if "cryptologists" can not produce what i ask of them - their wives, to the brothel, they themselves to the mines, for fraud. [14:30]
mircea_popescu i don't need "experts" and "universities" to tell me 1800 state of the art. [14:30]
asciilifeform otp is ww1 state of the art. [14:31]
asciilifeform srsly [14:31]
mircea_popescu iirc it was known afore. [14:31]
asciilifeform it was not. [14:31]
asciilifeform if mircea_popescu knows differently, and can show it, historians would like to know [14:31]
asciilifeform 'peak crypto!1111' was otp, vernam, ww1. [14:32]
mircea_popescu ;;google Frank Miller 1882 [14:32]
gribble Frank Miller (cryptography) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; One-time pad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Frank Miller: Inventor of the One-Time Pad [pdf] - Columbia University: [14:32]
mircea_popescu now what ? [14:32]
gernika mod6: my 99996 node is wedging every 1k blocks or so. I would be happy to apply any logging or debugging patches that might be out there to help track down the problem. [14:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato! turns out otp has its very own lilienfeld [14:32]
mircea_popescu :) [14:32]
asciilifeform (for n00bz, lilienfeld invented transistor in the '20s) [14:32]
asciilifeform ^ but never made one [14:33]
mircea_popescu well... guy made it alright. [14:33]
mircea_popescu was telegraphy application [14:33]
asciilifeform (but described in workable detail how to make, and not, e.g., davinci style) [14:33]
asciilifeform 'Although in theory Miller can claim priority, reality is more complex. As will be explained below, it is quite unlikely that either he or anyone else ever used his system for real messages; in fact, it is unclear if anyone other than he and his friends and family ever knew of its existence. That said, there are some possible links to Mauborgne. It thus remains unclear who should be credited with effectively inventing the one- [14:34]
asciilifeform time pad.' [14:34]
asciilifeform lulzy, very very lilienfeld. [14:34]
gernika or perhaps this is one of those "hands of the drowning" situations. bleh. C++ here I come. [14:34]
asciilifeform gernika: wedging ~how~ ? [14:34]
asciilifeform what is in the logs ? [14:34]
asciilifeform what is the behaviour ? does it respond to rpc ? [14:34]
asciilifeform is there network traffic ? [14:35]
asciilifeform long before you 'c++', why not try basic naked eye observations. [14:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398118 << it remains a challenge to get folks to produce things to scratch your itches when you aren't the one paying. [14:37]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 17:30:00; mircea_popescu: so - if "cryptologists" can not produce what i ask of them - their wives, to the brothel, they themselves to the mines, for fraud. [14:37]
mircea_popescu "real messages" ? cmon. [14:37]
asciilifeform i, for instance, would like a boeing. but it does not surprise me that boeings continue to belong to folks who pay for'em [14:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is a difference between making a boeing for pay and making a cipher for pay. [14:37]
mircea_popescu i can inspect other boeings that were made, including by the people that trained you. [14:38]
mircea_popescu show me this previous work in the field. [14:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise, cryptographer === magician. [14:38]
asciilifeform there is none, because charlatanry. [14:38]
mircea_popescu i'll believe you do X when i see X. [14:38]
mircea_popescu so then. [14:38]
mircea_popescu boeing is exactly unrelated to this. [14:38]
gernika asciilifeform: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/debug.log - I am not sure what a useful summarization of what is in the log would be. [14:40]
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asciilifeform my point was that if you want astronomy, and all you have to work with is astrologers, the only possible thing that could ever work is a) wait 1000 years, be very patient or b) track down promising ones and cut them loose from day job assembling horoscopes [14:40]
mircea_popescu neither a nor b. [14:40]
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asciilifeform i suppose there is c) shout into the dark [14:40]
mircea_popescu explain the requirement, offer fame and a little fortune. that's the only one path. [14:41]
asciilifeform l0l fortune [14:41]
mircea_popescu there's no way to extrinsically motivate astrologers to become astronomers. [14:41]
gernika asciilifeform: Since I've already shutdown the node, I can't answer your other questions at this time. I will once I've started it up again and it re-wedges (i.e. no new accepted blocks for 12+ hours) [14:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did not say 'motivate', but enable existing motivated. [14:41]
mod6 i don't think a billion units is lulzy at all. [14:41]
mircea_popescu nope. [14:41]
mircea_popescu and stop dreaming about the liv ing wage [14:41]
mircea_popescu the world owes you nothing. now go die, in any manner you choose for yourself. [14:41]
mircea_popescu no backsies, to keepsies, no "yes buts" [14:41]
mod6 gernika: be sure to capture logs. we've seen wedges in the past, and they hvae some distinct tell tale signs in the logs. [14:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu laughs at warez aficionados but then wants the things he wants, to fall from the sky for phree [14:43]
mod6 also, which block was the last accepted? i.e., which block was it grinding on? [14:43]
mircea_popescu i don't WANT anything. [14:44]
mircea_popescu i already have otp. [14:44]
mircea_popescu someone WANTS to be a cryptographer, THAT SOMEONE better be a cryptographer. [14:44]
asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu wanted a non-otp that demonstrably doesn't suck [14:44]
mircea_popescu otherwise, whores and miners are abundant and i couldn't care less. [14:44]
mircea_popescu no. [14:44]
mircea_popescu i GRACIOUSLY offered an opportunity [14:44]
mircea_popescu let's not confuse things. [14:44]
asciilifeform this is advanced dirigible algebra, prolly beyond my peanut brain. [14:45]
asciilifeform i'ma let it be [14:45]
mircea_popescu whether workable cipher materializes or not does not decide if mp is mp. [14:45]
mircea_popescu it DOES decide whether ~anyone~ is a cryptographer or not, however. [14:45]
mircea_popescu so that's where that sits. [14:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu did learn a useful fact, if he had not already known it, namely that... there are not yet cryptographers [14:45]
mircea_popescu alrighty then! [14:46]
asciilifeform on the other hand, 'the spice must flow.' and if i hear nothing, 'g' is coming out with rsa or cramer-shoup in abusive mode. [14:47]
mircea_popescu any time any kid grows some balls, ars is longa, well lubed and awaits. [14:47]
mircea_popescu as we agreed, cramer-shoup with shared key is acceptable symmetric cipher. [14:47]
mircea_popescu and i'd rather that than rsa, myself. [14:48]
mircea_popescu if nothing else, the tiny ammt of publicity we've been doing around it pisses people off. so... [14:48]
asciilifeform aha! [14:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You gotta remember Bitcoin runs on drama. [14:50]
adlai !s drama [14:50]
assbot 631 results for 'drama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drama [14:50]
BingoBoingo tears > Watts [14:51]
mircea_popescu tearwatts! [14:51]
adlai if Watts were alive today, he'd prolly amend "the planet peoples" to "the planet Bitcoins" [14:51]
mircea_popescu so for everyone watching : s.nsa will be doing double month report next month ; s.mpoe will be filing later today. [14:52]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398158 << this log does not, unfortunately, shed any light. [14:52]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 17:40:04; gernika: asciilifeform: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/debug.log - I am not sure what a useful summarization of what is in the log would be. [14:52]
asciilifeform (no signs of 'blackhole', and node died peacefully) [14:52]
mircea_popescu gernika may be describing the blackhole thing ? [14:53]
asciilifeform not as per his log. [14:53]
mircea_popescu ah k [14:53]
asciilifeform also in the future, folks plz post last 1M max [14:53]
asciilifeform rather than 100M turd [14:53]
mircea_popescu 10k really would do in most cases [14:55]
asciilifeform 1k. [14:55]
asciilifeform generally, we are interested in the moment of truth. [14:55]
mircea_popescu mod6> i don't think a billion units is lulzy at all. << what is this re ? [14:56]
ben_vulpes cramer shoup + shared key does not reduce to...otp? [14:57]
* ben_vulpes not even qualified to ask questions about this probably [14:57]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: otp is a particular very specific thing [14:57]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nope [14:57]
asciilifeform where 1 key bit is used, precisely once, to encipher 1 bit of plaintext into 1 bit of ciphertext. [14:58]
asciilifeform (typically via xor operation) [14:58]
ben_vulpes and the need to share the key does not impose the same operational considerations as otp? [14:58]
mircea_popescu in the EP? general scheme of true cryptography, otp occupies a peculiar spot, equivalent to rsa's use of multiplication, where otp uses "multiplication modulo 1" or "multiplication in the binary group" for a º function [14:59]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes all symmetric ciphers share the key. [14:59]
mircea_popescu that's why they're symmetric. [14:59]
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ben_vulpes what does c-s buy one over the otp in that case? [15:00]
mod6 mircea_popescu: the reward for the Block Cipher contest [15:00]
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mircea_popescu mod6 ah. well... negotiable insturment, you know. everyone values it as he values it. there's not exactly a dearth of offerings - notably the reward to prove qmail is buggy was 500. knuth's rewards are a dollar and change., etc [15:01]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes otp key as long as message. [15:01]
BingoBoingo Seriously now, there's people paid to believe warez doesn't lead to innovation. [15:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397800 << aha. [15:03]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 15:31:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397691 << fpga fabric. as i described maybe 1,001 times. [15:03]
ben_vulpes hm [15:03]
punkman is there a decent otp implementation? [15:03]
BingoBoingo otp implementation is as good as your random [15:03]
BingoBoingo And your one-timedness [15:04]
mircea_popescu punkman well one bash line would do it. [15:04]
mircea_popescu but yes, otp on top of prng is asking for trouble. [15:04]
BingoBoingo Once you have pad, can be done by hand [15:05]
punkman gotta have something to remember how much of the otp has been used [15:05]
mircea_popescu the whole power of the scheme comes from "everything's equally likely". yet if everything's not equally likely... [15:05]
BingoBoingo gotta have something to remember how much of the otp has been used << burn the used pages of your cipherbook [15:05]
mircea_popescu for instance, consider the naive situation where you take 1mb worth of debug.log, and xor it against 1mb of perfect noise. [15:05]
mircea_popescu i will then proceed to count the As and the Ws and break your thing to a large degree. [15:06]
mircea_popescu esp since i know plenty of strings likely to appear in the plaintext. [15:06]
punkman mircea_popescu: wut [15:06]
mircea_popescu do the experiment for yourself, it's really a great entry thing into cryptanalysis. [15:06]
mircea_popescu to be studied in pairs, one kid makes the scheme, the other kid breaks the scheme, then alternate positions. [15:07]
punkman does perfect noise random noise? [15:07]
mircea_popescu perfect noise = all items have exact same probability to appear. [15:07]
mircea_popescu you're doing (items have varying, known probabilities to appear) xor (all items have same probability to appear). [15:08]
mircea_popescu the necessary result is (different items have same varying, known probabilities to appear as in the plaintext) [15:08]
mircea_popescu this is fundamental instruction in the importance of.... large block sizes. [15:08]
BingoBoingo The letter 'e' problem [15:09]
mircea_popescu was also a penguin linked here recently, same idea. [15:09]
mircea_popescu and yes as noted by alf the "pill" for this fundamental problem is to make sure that message length stays well under statistical sample. [15:10]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... [15:10]
BingoBoingo was also a penguin linked here recently, same idea. << Problem of using block cipher as code book [15:10]
BingoBoingo https://blog.filippo.io/the-ecb-penguin/ [15:11]
assbot The ECB Penguin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdlYvh ) [15:11]
mircea_popescu the correct way to apply otp to something like human readable text is to weigh it. [15:11]
mircea_popescu this is an operation very close to compression, a sort of crypto-lzw. [15:11]
BingoBoingo https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/POP-xsmall.png << Now with moar art [15:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rdm6Ld ) [15:12]
punkman perfect noise = all items have exact same probability to appear. << do 0 and 1s not have same probability to appear in random bitstring? [15:18]
mircea_popescu punkman "items" is used there deliberately, to scale with the size of the block you use. [15:19]
punkman well say items are bits [15:20]
mircea_popescu let's work with a very simple example. suppose we use two bits, and suppose the plaintext is as follows : 00 appears 1 case out of 8 ; 01 appears 2 cases out of 8 ; 10 appears 4 cases out of 8 and 11 appears one case out of 8. 1+1+2+4=8. [15:21]
mircea_popescu now, those 4 cases out of 8 of "10" have equal chances to meet 00, 01, 10, and 11. as a result you will see : [15:22]
mircea_popescu 10 in 1 case out of 16 ; etc. [15:22]
mircea_popescu this is actually usable to describe a lot of the plain text, and exponentially more so when i know that debug.log tends to contain a lot of "connection" strings. [15:22]
punkman this sounds like you want to do frequency analysis on otp, but perhaps I'm just thick [15:26]
mircea_popescu right. [15:27]
mircea_popescu to be plainer : otp works better with biased pad of unknown bias than with unbiased pad of known lack of bias. [15:28]
punkman biased otp??? [15:30]
mircea_popescu understand : if you collect say 1024 random bits, the chances of seeing 512 1s and 512 0s are < 1% [15:31]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398069 << my account was created when you needed a college email address to register, and I can tell you it was never cool. I'm pretty sure I got more use out of livejournal even [15:32]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 16:59:13; mircea_popescu: then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool. [15:32]
mircea_popescu a ok then. [15:32]
danielpbarron and yes asciilifeform i know what gpu is, just saying there are some fun games for touch devices [15:33]
fluffypony I'm basically addicted to Asphalt 8 [15:34]
danielpbarron if it works as a board game it probably works on a touch screen, is probably a good general rule [15:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394833 << obligatory otp megathread [15:45]
assbot Logged on 03-02-2016 01:53:21; asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp. [15:45]
asciilifeform for education of n00bz, i will briefly elaborate here. [15:45]
punkman isn't compressing your otp akin to whitening? [15:45]
asciilifeform punkman: you can't compress random crud [15:46]
mircea_popescu punkman compressing the plaintext, not the otp. [15:46]
mircea_popescu that;'s the idea there, exactly. [15:46]
asciilifeform there are several possible ways to die when otp [15:46]
punkman you can't do frequency analysis on otp [15:46]
asciilifeform one is to ~ever, for any reason~ reuse any portion of the pad. [15:46]
asciilifeform (see, e.g., famously the 'venona' case) [15:46]
asciilifeform another is to have anything other than a true physical rng generating the pad. [15:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform technically speaking, the s-box cipher crapolade is an ellaborate exercise in reusingselect parts of otp [15:47]
mircea_popescu since they all use xor. [15:47]
mircea_popescu this alone should show they're deeply inadequate, but who knows fundamentals anymore. [15:47]
asciilifeform yet another is to have the pad surreptitiously copied by the enemy [15:47]
asciilifeform or captured, and then funkspieled [15:47]
asciilifeform (the latter is a common concern in all crypto) [15:47]
asciilifeform ergo the linked thread, where i posit that an ideal otp is actually a physical object which brings the bits somehow into existence one at a time [15:49]
asciilifeform (but, the hard part, same one on both ends [15:49]
asciilifeform ) [15:49]
mircea_popescu there is another way to die using otp, and that way is to use a lengthy biased message the enemy knows most of. [15:49]
asciilifeform not so. [15:49]
mircea_popescu if i know you will be encrypting one of shakespeare's plays, otp won't save you. [15:49]
asciilifeform an actual otp conveys no information whatsoever via the ciphertext. [15:50]
mircea_popescu i'll find out which one, probabilistically. [15:50]
asciilifeform no. [15:50]
asciilifeform because they are all equally probable. [15:50]
punkman you would find infinite texts that make sense [15:50]
asciilifeform think about it. the ciphertext conveys LITERALLY NO information without the key. [15:51]
mircea_popescu they aren't all equally probable if i can rely on your otp being random. [15:51]
mircea_popescu because they are long, and structured. [15:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think about it, with otp, there is no reason for you to actually intercept the ciphertext [15:51]
asciilifeform you can guess the message just as easily with telepathy, at home. [15:52]
mircea_popescu are you paying me 10 btc if we do this experiment and i do guess it, "with telepathy, at home" ? [15:52]
asciilifeform the ciphertext literally tells you nothing useful, other than an upper bound for the length [15:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: specify the experiment ? [15:52]
asciilifeform also try randi first, he pays 1M usd [15:52]
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asciilifeform telepaths - straight to j. randi, plox [15:53]
mircea_popescu you pick one of two lengthy, structured plaintexts i provide, you encrypt them with a biasless, purely random rng, and i decide which of the two you picked. [15:53]
punkman should add some btc to challenge :) [15:53]
asciilifeform i see where mircea_popescu is going [15:54]
mircea_popescu punkman why, he didn't feel obliged to add any btc to the other one, just bitch about the insufficiency of the sum. [15:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform funny how money clears the mind, even if it's too little to mention. [15:54]
asciilifeform specifying wtf you're doing, clears the mind [15:54]
punkman so you'd be able to pick the right message more than 50% of the time? [15:54]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:54]
mircea_popescu if you're making 1 mb of 01111110 and 1mb of 10000001 and then otp them against a random pad [15:55]
mircea_popescu you'll fucking see which one is encrypted in five minutes. [15:55]
asciilifeform actually this contradicts the xor lemma. [15:57]
mircea_popescu yeah i misstared it. [15:57]
mircea_popescu the examples given are not structured and readily reduce to "1" and "0", so no, it wouldn't work here. [15:57]
mircea_popescu nevertheless! [15:57]
asciilifeform in the original challenge it does also. [15:57]
asciilifeform let's put it this way, [15:58]
asciilifeform xoring the bits does not preserve their statistical distribution. [15:58]
asciilifeform (when xoring against properly random string) [15:58]
asciilifeform just as in the old thread where we demonstrate that trng XOR hitler's rng is still trng. [15:59]
asciilifeform so long as the latter has no feedback from the former [15:59]
asciilifeform (i.e. they are independent streams) [15:59]
asciilifeform still want to play ? [15:59]
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mircea_popescu let me put it this way : stuff like CRC, or ECC etc, exists fundamentally out of "we guarantee you can recover the plaintext after it has been otp'd with a pad which is AT LEAST this biased" [16:04]
mircea_popescu how biased the otp needs to be is part of the crc spec, for instance "every 8th bit may be a 1" etc. [16:04]
asciilifeform this is basic theory per shannon. [16:05]
asciilifeform those 'bits' are still 'in there.' [16:05]
mircea_popescu but in general, if you do away with the requirement to recover ALL of the plaintext, [16:05]
mircea_popescu and if the plaintext is long enough, this is equivalent to a requirement of minimal bias in the otp pad. [16:05]
asciilifeform my contention is that in your case 'recover' == guess. [16:05]
asciilifeform if you would like to specify this game in a way that doesn't reduce to gambling on coin flips, i will play. [16:05]
asciilifeform for 10 b. even. [16:05]
thestringpuller ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/0MGQE6P.txt [16:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:07]
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asciilifeform i will ~happily~ play with mircea_popescu if he insists on betting against arithmetic... [16:08]
asciilifeform (perhaps he is trying to teach us something ?) [16:08]
mircea_popescu you don't see the crc discussion sufficient for our purposes ? [16:08]
asciilifeform nope. because i read shannon. [16:08]
asciilifeform crc is built to survive a small fixed percentage (typically 1 in 9) of flipped bits. [16:09]
asciilifeform not ALL. [16:09]
asciilifeform but why beat the horse? i'm willing to play ! [16:09]
asciilifeform who wants to referee ? jurov ? kakobrekla ? [16:10]
mircea_popescu well, alrighty. can't turn down free moneyz. [16:10]
mircea_popescu why does there have to be a referee ? [16:10]
punkman mp makes 2 plaintexts, ascii generates 1000 otps, for each otp: picks one of the 2 plaintexts and xors with otp. mp must guess guess correctly 501?, 600? more? [16:10]
mircea_popescu one. [16:11]
asciilifeform wai wut [16:11]
mircea_popescu it really needn't be done over more than one try lol. srsly ? 1k ? [16:12]
asciilifeform i'm not playing flippsies [16:12]
asciilifeform gotta be a statistically standing result. [16:12]
mircea_popescu so basically we'll never know ? [16:12]
asciilifeform as in, he gets, say, 700 out of 1000 [16:13]
mircea_popescu mk, ima bbl see if i can hack together something that satisfies the audience theoretically. [16:13]
asciilifeform (and it goes without saying that the plaintexts must be same length) [16:13]
thestringpuller and this is what #b-a is the most amazing channel on freenode [16:13]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:13]
punkman asciilifeform: why, would padding be a problem? [16:13]
asciilifeform punkman: not problem, but must specify this, otherwise somebody wins/loses on an idiot technicality that teachs nothing [16:14]
asciilifeform same length bitstrings. [16:14]
asciilifeform otherwise can immediately decode 'which one' based on length. [16:14]
punkman well obvs [16:14]
asciilifeform anyway i will play if experiment is specified such that mircea_popescu has 100:1 or less odds of winning based on pure guessing ('telepathy') [16:15]
punkman but even if you pad with all 0s, works [16:15]
asciilifeform sure. [16:15]
thestringpuller place your bitbets! [16:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice that this isn't "wins/loses". you're just giving 10 btc away, on the if. [16:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's the if [16:15]
mircea_popescu that i guess your message. which i suppose necessarily carries the caveat that "must not be by chance", [16:16]
mircea_popescu which is why ima try and show it theoretically. [16:16]
asciilifeform the way i read it, the 'if' is whether mircea_popescu can demonstrate convincingly higher than chance guessatronics. [16:16]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:16]
asciilifeform aha so same rules as randi. [16:16]
punkman if you want to do 1, must have 1000 plaintexts instead [16:17]
asciilifeform no good. [16:17]
asciilifeform otp doesn't get reused. [16:17]
punkman why not [16:17]
asciilifeform ever. [16:17]
asciilifeform no two xors with one motherfucking bit. [16:17]
asciilifeform this is not how otp is used. [16:17]
punkman you pick one of 1000 plaintexts, generate one otp [16:17]
asciilifeform one otp bit, one xor. [16:17]
asciilifeform this is kindergarten material. [16:18]
punkman well not in kindergarten, but I did play this game on paper once [16:20]
asciilifeform if there is one otp key, and it gets used two or more times, with mircea_popescu controlling the input and knowing anything whatsoever about the output, he learns the key trivially. [16:21]
mircea_popescu well no not that. [16:21]
asciilifeform and anyway that was not the proposed game (because it would not be the least bit interesting) [16:21]
punkman I meant instead of doing 100 iterations of guess between 2 plaintexts, one iteration of guessing between 100 plaintexts [16:23]
asciilifeform that he gives me, and i xor over, and give back ? [16:23]
punkman yeah [16:23]
asciilifeform works [16:23]
asciilifeform if they are all of length L. [16:23]
asciilifeform (and L, trivially, is 7 bits or more.) [16:24]
punkman mp could choose padding rule if he doesn't want equal length [16:25]
asciilifeform but in practice longer, because they must be N ~distinct~ strings [16:25]
asciilifeform punkman: this reduces to 'same length' [16:25]
asciilifeform and i'm lazy, he will have to pad'em himself. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform : Let message A consist of individual bytes counting down from FFFFFFFF ; let message B consist of individual bytes counting up from 00000000. Let the enemy xor one of these two against a random, unbiased OTP of the same length and supply the enciphered result. Take that result, and count the instances where byte n is larger than byte n+1. Take that result, and count the instances where byte n is larger t [16:27]
mircea_popescu han byte n-1. The larger of the two indicates the message encrypted ; the difference between these counts indicate your confidence (or the rng's bias). [16:27]
mircea_popescu how about that. [16:27]
asciilifeform so, for this variant of game, algo would be 1) mircea_popescu generates his string set, signs, deedbots; 2) i xor'em, sign, deedbot at first only the signature; 3) i post one of the xor'ed strings 4) he telepathies which one 5) i reveal my hand, which is the tarball in step 2 6) if he wins, i lose 10b, or vice-versa [16:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can use whatever alchemy you like... [16:29]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:29]
asciilifeform you are still playing against the xor lemma. [16:29]
punkman http://crypto.stackexchange.com/search?q=many+time+pad popular homework question apparently [16:30]
asciilifeform (i will happily collect the win in its stead, like that fool wanted to collect nobel for satoshi!11) [16:30]
assbot Posts containing 'many time pad' - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pe9gKa ) [16:30]
mircea_popescu lol wait, collect wut ? [16:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the output bits - the lot of them - is necessarily as entropic as my key. [16:31]
asciilifeform think about it. [16:31]
asciilifeform work it on paper. the plaintext (payload), in xor operation, merely flips the key bit. [16:31]
asciilifeform (or doesn't flip.) [16:32]
asciilifeform it cannot create pattern. [16:32]
mircea_popescu for the very reason that it can't create pattern, [16:32]
mircea_popescu it also can't destroy it! [16:32]
mircea_popescu long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp. [16:32]
asciilifeform does mircea_popescu want a free 10b or not. [16:32]
mircea_popescu ok i guess ima have to figure out some way to hm. hey asciilifeform , how about this deal : i pay you 10 btc of my eventual winnings, should they exist, but you make the messages and show the result. i dun have a compiler ready and nfi how you generate the described messages in bash [16:33]
asciilifeform see earlier recipe ('variant of game') [16:34]
mircea_popescu ok, brb. [16:34]
asciilifeform it has to be with mircea_popescu generating the magic strings, because this is how he said he will carry out the telepathy - by selecting specially-crafted biased input. [16:35]
mircea_popescu kk. [16:35]
asciilifeform (this bias, somehow, against xor lemma, surivives xoring.) [16:35]
asciilifeform i will suggest a handy recipe: [16:35]
asciilifeform 1) mircea_popescu generates 100 files, 1MB (1024^2 byte) in length each. gzips, signs, deedbots. [16:36]
asciilifeform 2) i xor over each of them with 1MB from a cardano rng. [16:36]
mircea_popescu yeh im doing it. [16:37]
asciilifeform 3) i select one of these, sign, and send to jurov or kakobrekla or somebody, referee [16:37]
asciilifeform 4) mircea_popescu tells me which of the 100 it was. [16:37]
mircea_popescu can just deedbot the result. [16:37]
punkman other variant: ascii makes 100 otps, makes 100 plaintexts, X of which are the string "mircea_popescu: long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp.", then passes 100 ciphertexts to mp. mp must guess X withing some range. [16:37]
mircea_popescu wait, what 100 files. i generate 2 files. [16:37]
asciilifeform then we just learn that mircea_popescu can break sha! [16:37]
mircea_popescu dude wtf. [16:37]
asciilifeform this was punkman's variant [16:37]
asciilifeform if mircea_popescu generates two files, we're playing coinflipsies [16:38]
asciilifeform and that's no fun at all [16:38]
mircea_popescu you can make as many otps as you want, it's still coming out the same way o.O [16:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has to demonstrate greater-than-chance telepathics [16:38]
asciilifeform if we play with 1 set of alternatives, he has 50% chance of guessing it. [16:38]
asciilifeform gotta play with either my original scheme - N sets of 2-pronged - or punkman's - N files. [16:39]
asciilifeform demonstrates significance above chance. [16:39]
punkman the third variant is also ok I think [16:39]
asciilifeform what's the 3rd ? [16:39]
punkman mp must guess how many of the 100 ciphertexts are made from the string ""mircea_popescu: long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp."" [16:41]
asciilifeform vs what [16:42]
punkman I guess every other string can be all 0s [16:43]
punkman *all the other strings [16:43]
asciilifeform 'how many' or 'which ones' ? [16:44]
punkman you'd choose [16:44]
asciilifeform this is then exactly isomorphic to my original. [16:44]
asciilifeform incidentally, the main reason i'd like a referee, is so that everybody knows that my random 'pads' were generated independently of mircea_popescu's challenge strings. [16:50]
asciilifeform (and that they were, hence, not crafted specifically to bulldoze whatever magical pattern he put in his strings) [16:52]
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asciilifeform i invite the curious log reader to play the game mircea_popescu proposed with single bits, with a friend [16:54]
asciilifeform that is, with coin flips [16:54]
asciilifeform to see how ludicrous the proposition is [16:54]
asciilifeform the mircea_popescu side of the game can only be won if 1) rng is biased 2) he knows how [16:56]
asciilifeform imagine you find a coin on the street. [17:00]
asciilifeform to say that its previous state had any bearing on the face it is showing when you find it, [17:01]
asciilifeform suggests that you can magically tell its entire history of flips [17:01]
asciilifeform unless you are a telapath, there is nothing useful you can say about a bit which was flipped with probability 0.5. [17:01]
asciilifeform *telepath [17:01]
asciilifeform this is elementary, and if mircea_popescu comes back and tells us that he had been drinking, i will believe him, and happily forget the whole thing. [17:02]
* asciilifeform bbl. [17:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform : here we go [17:15]
mircea_popescu total 65500 bytes in each message. [17:15]
mircea_popescu assay 1 : count 32734 / 32743. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. [17:15]
mircea_popescu assay 2 : count 32778 / 32775. expected 1st lower than 2nd. infirmed. [17:15]
mircea_popescu assay 3: count 32959 / 32964. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. [17:15]
mircea_popescu assay 4 : count 32810 / 32814. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. [17:15]
mircea_popescu 3 out of 4 good enough for you ? [17:15]
mircea_popescu im too lazy to really run mb length messages etc. [17:15]
mircea_popescu (i used mt_rand, whatever that's worth) [17:17]
asciilifeform what am i looking at ? [17:20]
mircea_popescu the method described above, one plaintext counts up one counts down. [17:21]
asciilifeform all i see is that mircea_popescu won 32 games of coin-toss with himself. [17:21]
asciilifeform 16, rather [17:21]
mircea_popescu well no, 4 games of 65500 bytes each x 2 messages [17:22]
asciilifeform consider posting the code ? [17:23]
asciilifeform i'ma writin' my own, brb [17:28]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/otp.php for the bored [17:29]
mircea_popescu now, 64kb aren't that much, and the structure chosen is literally the simplest thing available for ease of implementation. nevertheless, a little DOES leak even so. [17:32]
asciilifeform as i said, writing own, brb [17:33]
punkman what's the point of public otp [17:34]
mircea_popescu so you can verify the program works correctly [17:35]
mircea_popescu first plaintext counts up from 1 ; the 2nd counts down from 65535 [17:35]
mircea_popescu thus nth position in otp xor nth position in ciphered a must yield n and in ciphered b must yield 65535-n [17:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is looking at his rng bias. [17:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform otp bias cheifly doesn't matter here, as the same otp is delibverately used for both messages. [17:37]
asciilifeform it sure as fuck matters. [17:39]
asciilifeform or you could just skip the otp alltogether [17:39]
mircea_popescu looky : otp bias, message bias, same fucking story. [17:39]
mircea_popescu bias xor no bias = no bias xor bias. [17:39]
mircea_popescu which was the original fucking point that ended up in all this weird. [17:40]
asciilifeform (bias) xor (no bias) == (no bias). [17:40]
asciilifeform which is the xor lemma. [17:40]
mircea_popescu = less bias. [17:40]
asciilifeform mno. [17:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu finds a coin on the sidewalk. [17:41]
asciilifeform can he say what the ~previous~ flip was ? [17:41]
mircea_popescu i had no fucking idea the notion that you're supposed to debias plaintext before otping it is even controversial. [17:41]
asciilifeform why not ? [17:41]
punkman it is controversial [17:41]
asciilifeform ^ [17:41]
mircea_popescu cuz i don't know ~everything~, obviously. [17:42]
asciilifeform i realize that it cries against every mathematical intuition, but with correctly functioning otp, it makes not a whit of difference what your plaintext is. [17:42]
mircea_popescu are we confusing entropy and bias here ? [17:42]
punkman you can't get the bitmap penguin after otp [17:42]
asciilifeform aha. punkman gets it. [17:42]
asciilifeform funnily enough, last year there was some derp who shat into mircea_popescu's comment section with 'otp doesn't work because rng might burp out N zeros and then what' [17:45]
mircea_popescu let me try a different aprpoach, maybe that's more comprehensible. [17:45]
asciilifeform but for some reason mircea_popescu understood why this is lunacy, ~then~, but not now? [17:45]
asciilifeform (answer, for the thick, is that your rng, if it works correctly, is EXACTLY as likely to shit out a string that xors yours to 'kill stalin at midnight with table leg' as an equivalent length string of zeros, or any other.) [17:46]
mircea_popescu your bias-less rng shits out n/2 ones. they go against a message containing 3/4n ones. they will flip n/2 items in the message, 3/4 of which being 1s and 1/4 being 0s. you thus end up with 3/8 old ones + 1/8 ex-zeroes for a grand total of exactly 1/2 whoa. [17:47]
mircea_popescu da fuck. [17:47]
asciilifeform ahahahahahahahaha [17:47]
asciilifeform what did mircea_popescu ~think~ would happen here. [17:47]
asciilifeform !b 4 [17:48]
mircea_popescu NEVERMIND [17:48]
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asciilifeform l0l [17:48]
mircea_popescu lol [17:48]
asciilifeform still wanna play ? mircea_popescu can put the 10 in snsa piggy, if he wishes. or we can let the matter rest. [17:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well the whole result here is that ~your~ 10 btc can wait for a better day. [17:49]
asciilifeform sure, sure, l0lz [17:49]
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mircea_popescu lol [17:50]
* asciilifeform his work here done, off to pet pet. [17:51]
* mircea_popescu goes to direct men at work in different field now, having satisfactorily brought his contribution here. [17:52]
danielpbarron math : the ultimate aphrodisiac ? [17:52]
punkman /me goes look for otp-compatible MAC scheme [17:55]
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mircea_popescu !up jixei [19:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;google B,TMSR~ [19:28]
gribble B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; China's TMSR Program Presenter: ; Letter to Morgen E. Peck, freelance writer | Contravex: A blog by ...: [19:28]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:28]
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phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << when i was interviewing last year, was straight up told by several different companies that i should adjust my rate because i won't be able to compete in the market (that's a direct quote from on of the hr people). one company we went through several phone calls where different people were telling me that the salary requirement is a bit high, but maybe we can work something out [19:37]
phf that works for all of us, i.e. my impression is that the expectation was that i would cave and take less [19:37]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 13:43:34; pete_d_out: "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. [19:37]
mircea_popescu this is pretty much standard behaviour neh ? [19:41]
mircea_popescu trying to find out whether you know how much you're worth or not really at the very least. [19:42]
mircea_popescu and speaking of employment interviews, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9dp8uSZoQ1qddd4so1_1280.jpg [19:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nV3rJ0 ) [19:43]
phf well, i was out of the loop for couple of years, working for hsbc, and those guys don't haggle over 50k [19:43]
mircea_popescu ironically, they do in their core divisions. but not about it and so forth. [19:44]
phf just my impression is that it's gotten particularly toxic. i.e. lower your rate, or we'll just go with somebody else [19:44]
mircea_popescu "if my job can be done by somebody else you absolutely should." [19:45]
phf right, exactly [19:45]
mircea_popescu then they call back and well... it's a 5% more nao. just to get the message across. [19:45]
phf oh i like that [19:45]
mircea_popescu people not doing that (because people are generally NOT qualified for the jobs they get) is the principal reason it went toxic. [19:48]
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phf at my old jobs i used to seek out talanted devs, and during weekend drinking convince them that they should go demand a raise, it worked couple of times. those who would listen will immediately start moving up the ladder, "who would've thought". some people still reach out and tell me about their salary fights in the "i tell them go fuck themselves" kind of terms. warms my heart [19:58]
phf can't drink with devs anymore though, it gets boring really fast [19:58]
mats lol [19:59]
ben_vulpes christ seriously [20:01]
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ben_vulpes whoa thestringpuller v thorough [20:03]
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ben_vulpes that's going to take some reading. [20:03]
phf oh, a funny thing from last years interviews. i ask for a month vacation time (since 2 weeks is standard here, i just say 2 weeks pto and 2 weeks unpaid leave) written in the contract, so that there aren't any questions. during one interview guy was trying to convince me how that's bad for company and how it's a crazy thing to ask for, finally at the end he started complaining that he's been there for 5 years and was promissed friday [20:07]
phf work from home and they would not give it to home and that it's just life [20:07]
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gernika /query mod6 [20:11]
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ben_vulpes phf: derps gon' derp. [20:16]
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asciilifeform re: thread with phf et al: it helps to not be totally broke when negotiating [20:37]
asciilifeform otherwise 'take what you're given, churl, and shuddup' [20:38]
asciilifeform and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will no doubt supply us with the mega-insight that if i have no money it is because i have no competence at anything and oughta be boiled for soap asap [20:40]
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asciilifeform also wtf phf, every place i've ever worked will let you take whatever weeks of ~unpaid~ leave [20:41]
asciilifeform nobody gives a shit re unpaid leave [20:41]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398559 << l0l! [20:41]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 22:30:02; mircea_popescu: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [20:41]
asciilifeform what was ~after~ these ? [20:42]
asciilifeform that there's the payload, let's have it ? [20:42]
* asciilifeform bbl [20:42]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398568 <<< "We're sorry, but your asshole just won't stretch enough to meet our rigorous employment requirements." [20:47]
assbot Logged on 06-02-2016 22:43:02; mircea_popescu: and speaking of employment interviews, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9dp8uSZoQ1qddd4so1_1280.jpg [20:47]
mats i get 24 sick days at this new job l0l [20:50]
mats and after some years, not sure when but under ten, i get 48, wtf [20:51]
mats ben_vulpes: i remember you suggested that i read 'Leviathan Wakes' [20:58]
mats there is a SyFy thing called The Expanse nao [20:58]
mats and its p good. [20:59]
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ben_vulpes mats: the expanse is a surprisingly high-quality-for-such-a-low-budget scifi flick [21:01]
ben_vulpes er, show [21:01]
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ben_vulpes the nullg scenes are judiciously placed for effect most of the time [21:02]
ben_vulpes for instance the blood cloud that collapsed when the martian warship began its burn was pretty good [21:03]
ben_vulpes but the drifting thinger in the cabin of episode 7? 6? was hilariously bad. [21:03]
ben_vulpes mats: did you ever read the books? [21:03]
mats i finished Leviathan Wakes, didn't get around to the others, but i will now [21:03]
ben_vulpes fairly entertaining [21:04]
ben_vulpes no actual physics violations iirc [21:04]
ben_vulpes mebbe the 'stealth' tech [21:04]
mats i know enough physics to put my pants on in the morning [21:05]
ben_vulpes "and enough statistics to place myself at the top of the bell curve" [21:05]
mats hay, small enough sample and i can be whatever i wanna be! [21:06]
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ben_vulpes the throwaway joke mats is that the top of the bell curve is entirely average, just like putting on pants in the morning [21:11]
mats i got the joke, yo. [21:12]
ben_vulpes aight aight [21:14]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mod6: if pressing is intended to be curated by patch selection in the patches dir, seals in the sealsdir and keys in the wotdir, why does "press" need to take a head? [21:25]
ben_vulpes not a pressing question. [21:25]
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shinohai https://sandstorm.io/ <<< am I only person that thinks this is a horrible idea? [21:30]
assbot Sandstorm ... ( http://bit.ly/1UUh45m ) [21:30]
BingoBoingo The nausea, if only they knew Mp doesn't have this kind of time https://archive.is/sJc9d [21:33]
assbot sciencehatesyou comments on Slashdot Knows Of Our ButterFiend Mircea Popescu ... ( http://bit.ly/1UUhnNy ) [21:33]
ben_vulpes shinohai: something like that could murder the google apps system [21:35]
ben_vulpes no idea if that one's going to [21:35]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> "and enough statistics to place myself at the top of the bell curve" <<< haha good one. [22:51]
mircea_popescu shinohai <<< am I only person that thinks this is a horrible idea? << i can't discern what the idea is supposed to be. glorified vps ? 9.95 a month sorta deal. [22:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's pretty flattering, in honesty. look at all the things i have time to do in a day! [22:54]
mircea_popescu a bit like how well traveled washington was. fucker slept in all beds ever found in new england. [22:54]
mircea_popescu but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a95fe147aad2fc835bdf3710567b1c38/tumblr_nrqscruWPc1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [22:58]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: is this return to copying of loglines instead of referencing the log an attempt to make life easier for the future archaeologists by not polluting the global threadspace? [23:24]
mircea_popescu nah, dpeends if i load from log. webpage or from the scrollback [23:24]
mircea_popescu i'd have thought the referencing is easier [23:25]
ben_vulpes sure [23:25]
ben_vulpes thought it might've indicated some difference in threads for archival/archaeology and emphemera [23:26]
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