Forum logs for 04 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 41 @ 0.00749975 = 0.3075 BTC [+] {2} [00:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.0009376 = 3.2919 BTC [+] {2} [00:11]
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Rulother oooo [00:18]
jurov ;;bc,stats [00:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 261543 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 536 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 184354428.172 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.87812 [00:20]
jurov ;;calc 184*1.3 [00:21]
gribble 239.2 [00:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1296 @ 0.00094023 = 1.2185 BTC [+] [00:28]
kakobrekla !t h dealco [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK:DEALCO] 1D: 0.00749000 / 0.00749976 / 0.00750000 (41 shares, 0.30749000 BTC), 7D: 0.00420003 / 0.00514473 / 0.00969995 (573 shares, 2.94793246 BTC), 30D: 0.00300000 / 0.00938613 / 0.01525000 (10830 shares, 101.65180960 BTC) [00:29]
tyrion70 Samuel Cole +46.732300149 Phone [00:30]
tyrion70 :P [00:30]
tyrion70 err… wrong screen :) [00:31]
Rulother I see [00:33]
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heetch Trading is back on btct [00:38]
heetch Go burnside [00:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243 @ 0.00094023 = 0.2285 BTC [+] [00:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 43275 @ 0.0001956 = 8.4646 BTC [-] {22} [00:49]
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mircea_popescu plambert> Are the passwords each hashed individually, or once he breaks the encryption for one he can read all of them? << they theoretically should use varied salts, but was no mention of that so prolly not. [01:05]
mircea_popescu even so, having the salt helps but doesn [01:05]
mircea_popescu 't make it trivial. [01:05]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.997 = 8.973 BTC [+] [01:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 25 @ 0.00626996 = 0.1567 BTC [-] {2} [01:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 0.999 = 16.983 BTC [+] {2} [01:10]
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mircea_popescu In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government, not unreasonably, called the printout “illegible.” [01:30]
mircea_popescu ahahaha asciilifeform [01:31]
mircea_popescu this guy is some sort of contemporary hero already. [01:31]
mircea_popescu we need a levison day. [01:31]
mircea_popescu i guess june 28. [01:31]
asciilifeform hope he's got the good sense to skip the country (or fellate his pistol) before they bring him in for the crime of closing his shop. [01:32]
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pankkake if they were any good, they probably could have brute-scanned the paper [01:42]
pankkake you can actually recover blurred text easily [01:42]
asciilifeform this is rather like that fellow who paid his tax bill with a wheelbarrow of pennies: not a real obstacle. [01:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [+] [01:47]
mircea_popescu nah. it's the principle of the matter. [01:47]
mircea_popescu the people dumping tea in the harbor did not measurably impact the british either. [01:48]
pankkake yeah, but they hate disobedience [01:48]
asciilifeform i dare say his pulling the plug was more significant re: disobedience [01:48]
pankkake yes; it was the second step [01:49]
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mircea_popescu more effective, yes. more significant, no. [01:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 48 @ 0.42 = 20.16 BTC [-] [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4001 = 3.2008 BTC [-] [01:57]
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[\] What was teh asicminer div yesterday? [01:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 4 @ 0.65 = 2.6 BTC [+] [01:59]
pankkake 0.08 [02:00]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#338446 [02:00]
[\] wow [02:00]
ll .00800337 [02:00]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [02:00]
pankkake +0 [02:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [BMF] 40 @ 0.015 = 0.6 BTC [+] [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009302 = 5.2091 BTC [-] {4} [02:03]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/why-june-28th-is-levison-day/ [02:03]
ozbot Why June 28th is Levison day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:03]
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pankkake http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/10/03/221248/adobe-hacked-almost-3-million-accounts-compromised everyone hacked [02:07]
ozbot Adobe Hacked: Almost 3 Million Accounts Compromised - Slashdot [02:07]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 12 @ 0.014 = 0.168 BTC [-] [02:08]
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mircea_popescu adobe. good riddance. [02:08]
pankkake http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/twitter-files-for-ipo-2/ "we're losing millions, let's IPO" [02:08]
ozbot Twitter Files for IPO, Shows $317M in Revenue | Wired Business | Wired.com [02:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.00320112 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2} [02:09]
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mircea_popescu worked for fb... [02:09]
pankkake I don't think fb was actually losing money [02:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20000 @ 0.0002 = 4 BTC [-] [02:10]
mircea_popescu you kidding right ? [02:12]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1300 @ 0.0002 = 0.26 BTC [-] [02:21]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.9802 = 4.901 BTC [-] [02:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.9802 = 8.8218 BTC [-] {2} [02:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.98 = 9.8 BTC [-] [02:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda funny how the original order was issued by the buchanan magistrate at 4pm, and before closing time (so within an hour ?) she was issuing forthwiths with handwritten admonitions. [02:30]
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mircea_popescu basically they have this set of lackeys in the magistrature that do nothing all day except waiting for the phone to ring or what is it ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu it brings to mind the case of the texas magistrate who had resolved motions the day they were filed and ruled within ten days or something, [02:31]
mircea_popescu and then ditched any requests to explain whether he had modified his vacation in order to help out teh government. [02:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.9631 = 17.3358 BTC [-] [02:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00092803 = 1.5777 BTC [-] [02:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 22565 @ 0.00021659 = 4.8874 BTC [+] {12} [02:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 470 @ 0.0002186 = 0.1027 BTC [+] {2} [02:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.963 = 1.926 BTC [-] [02:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9625 BTC [-] [02:45]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.96121999 = 19.2244 BTC [-] {5} [02:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.9611 = 5.7666 BTC [-] [02:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.87817049 = 12.2944 BTC [-] {5} [02:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00092659 = 3.521 BTC [-] {3} [02:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-] [02:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1110 @ 0.00120085 = 1.3329 BTC [-] {5} [02:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.39167083 = 9.4001 BTC [-] {3} [02:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00025196 = 0.6299 BTC [+] {4} [03:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 465 @ 0.00849991 = 3.9525 BTC [+] {2} [03:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4530 @ 0.0001861 = 0.843 BTC [-] {2} [03:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+] [03:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00017001 = 3.4002 BTC [-] {2} [03:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [+] [03:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 210 @ 0.0012 = 0.252 BTC [-] {2} [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 245 @ 0.0005 = 0.1225 BTC [+] [03:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [-] {2} [03:41]
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mircea_popescu Subject: SIMONS_SPAM USPS - Your package is available for pickup ( Parcel 492552468475 ) [03:59]
mircea_popescu dude how retarded can they get already. [03:59]
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mint whats up with petamine [03:59]
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mircea_popescu nothing ? [04:02]
jborkl Just say no to pedo [04:02]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ [05:55]
ozbot So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:55]
mircea_popescu i muchly advised anyone interesting in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing. [05:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} [05:56]
mircea_popescu let';s try again with better grammar. [05:56]
mircea_popescu i muchly advise anyone interested in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing. [05:56]
VanCleef i'm selling lube if anyone neeeds any for jail [06:00]
asciilifeform VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought. [06:01]
asciilifeform VanCleef: and 'arse safes' to secrete said cyanide in, a la Goering. [06:01]
asciilifeform fun fact: you can see Herr Goering's actual arse safe in the 'spy museum' in Wash., DC. [06:02]
dub fuck mattering, were just here to get rich from mining ponzis [06:02]
dub and re: Schwartz, go go gadget darwin [06:03]
asciilifeform dub: personally, I'd prefer the 'magic' tooth from Dune. [06:03]
mircea_popescu dub that's a point. [06:04]
mircea_popescu just building the crumb of trails for future mpoe-pr bitchslappings. [06:04]
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mircea_popescu provided of course some retard venue will still exist in the future... [06:04]
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dub how sails the forum lulzboat? [06:05]
dub I have no time for drama these days :( [06:06]
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mircea_popescu still down afaik [06:06]
dub has the patented intersango 'we'll pay you to return our data' method brought a result [06:06]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aside from historical/nostalgic concerns, what would be the purpose of having the list of judges ? [06:07]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure it will come out that the judges that play ball have about an order of magnitude better chances to progress. [06:08]
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mircea_popescu whereas women that suck cock have a less than twice as better chances to progress. [06:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems like a foregone conclusion. [06:08]
mircea_popescu documentation is documentation. [06:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think of Soviet judges. [06:08]
mircea_popescu i am certainly more interested in judges being raped by the usg than in secretaries being raped by their bosses. [06:09]
mircea_popescu so correspondingly more resources should be directed to fight the former than the later, by a significant margin. [06:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not sure about how writing a list of modern-day Soviet (or otherwise) judges fights anything... [06:11]
asciilifeform picture a list of Mexican policemen who forgo bribes. so what. [06:12]
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mircea_popescu so you have the list. [06:12]
mircea_popescu society, at least the livable sort, is built from causes not towards effects. [06:13]
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mircea_popescu it matters not one whit what "benefit" your correct actions yield. [06:13]
mircea_popescu at any rate, as far as i know the average grad student takes a few months to gather 25 btc in living grants/we, and if literate should be able to complete the task in that time. [06:14]
asciilifeform I'm thinking also about the side-effects. Imagine printing a list of foot-dragging German judges in the '30s. [06:14]
VanCleef the pirce is now at 133.7 [06:15]
mircea_popescu don't for a second imagine the bad boys don't keep that list. [06:16]
mircea_popescu they have the time and inclination to compile tax harassment programmes for charities for chrissakes. [06:16]
mircea_popescu this is merely a minute attempt to remedy an information imbalance. [06:17]
asciilifeform Don't get me wrong, I'd love to read the result [06:17]
mircea_popescu i'd love to see whether the numerous and very self-important "law blogs" get it or not and how long it takes them to. [06:17]
asciilifeform these fellows will probably end up on some dour memorial plaque somewhere, maybe glued to the wall where the firing squad stood [06:18]
mircea_popescu nobody's shooting any judges. [06:18]
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asciilifeform I was thinking of the 'good ones', if that wasn't clear [06:18]
asciilifeform I'm rather pessimistic about their prospects in the far future, particularly the younger ones [06:19]
asciilifeform where did Stalin put uncooperative judges? [06:19]
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asciilifeform I don't expect to grow old myself, and I'm not even remotely a judge. Dissenting or otherwise. [06:21]
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mircea_popescu listen, you take too much for granted. [06:21]
mircea_popescu stalin was a man after my own heart. you can not find someone half stalin in the entire us today. [06:22]
asciilifeform plenty of fellows with the inclinations, sans the gifts. [06:22]
mircea_popescu yeah well... [06:23]
mircea_popescu you know what, in russia cca 1930 there were a bunch of fuckwits with round glasses and a tufty chin beard. [06:23]
mircea_popescu they didn't magically become trotsky. [06:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you remember Roland Freisler? perhaps he was the first truly modern judge. [06:24]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the happy brigade has uncovered a bunch of negative reviews. seems this hilton guy is really very pro govt ? [06:24]
Vexual uncooperative lawyers dont become judges [06:25]
mircea_popescu i don't know what exactly is modern about him ? the rolls are full since at least the 1300s with the same type. [06:25]
mircea_popescu court-ier. [06:25]
mircea_popescu Vexual the strange thing is that in civil systems it's precisely the uncooperative lawyers that tend to become judges. [06:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: point. Bernard Gui & friends. [06:26]
mircea_popescu basically the kids out of law school split in three groups : those who deal well with people, and they end up lawyers. those who have daddy issues, and they become das. [06:26]
mircea_popescu finally those with neither quality. they end up judges. [06:26]
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asciilifeform I'd like to point out that we do not yet know how the Levison story ends. [06:29]
mircea_popescu personally, i don't care how it ends. [06:29]
mircea_popescu the man sent the 4 point 11 pages key. [06:30]
Vexual at least we know paper wallets are safe [06:30]
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mircea_popescu if sufficiently small :D [06:31]
asciilifeform you know, if the key is genuine (no bits diddled) the inquisitor got much of what he wanted. safe to assume that every packet lavabit shat or ate in its entire life was recorded. [06:31]
asciilifeform Levison quoted a rather high cost (several $k) for changing his SSL certs, so presumably he did not do it often. [06:31]
mircea_popescu that's the other thing. what sort of braindamaged retard actually expects ssl to protect his email. [06:32]
mircea_popescu well, other than snowden [06:32]
asciilifeform that's a whole separate question [06:32]
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asciilifeform there's also the issue of people who are literate enough to have some idea of what real security is, but not literate enough to practice it. [06:36]
asciilifeform these just sit catatonically and don't do much of anything, i imagine [06:36]
asciilifeform so we're left with the snowdens and ulbrichts (who become public fools) and the rest (who are invisible.) [06:37]
mircea_popescu i still don't quite grasp this part. [06:37]
asciilifeform think 'groklaw' [06:37]
mircea_popescu so bradley manning, a total emo fuckwit, somehow managed to be a big honcho in us signals. [06:37]
mircea_popescu but hey, shit happens, right ? his co was retarded. [06:38]
asciilifeform manning was a grunt [06:38]
asciilifeform with some janitorial keys [06:38]
mircea_popescu dude, he had the stuff ? he was a big honcho. [06:38]
mircea_popescu grunts do not get access to petabytes of crap [06:38]
asciilifeform in the u.s., the way it works is that there's a 'secret' (vs. 'top', etc.) intranet [06:38]
mircea_popescu moving on : snowden defects. [06:38]
mircea_popescu apparently snowden does not know how to secure communications. [06:38]
mircea_popescu yet he has enough data to bury another petreus. [06:39]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is going on over there, those people been turned to monkeys or something ? [06:39]
asciilifeform it is possible that he did know. but was forced to deal with people who don't [06:39]
mircea_popescu heh. nobody's forced. [06:39]
asciilifeform there is some record that he tried to persuade the journalists to use gpg [06:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, if this had happened in 1973 the russians would have finished all the vodka and died of split sides. [06:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude, srsly. you're a field agent and you "try to" persuade ? [06:40]
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mircea_popescu in what parallel universe is this going on. [06:40]
asciilifeform point. betcha the Brits finished all the Lagavulin when Mitrokhin split with his treasure chest. [06:40]
Vexual we wouldn't have heard about it in 73 [06:40]
mircea_popescu Vexual depends on your definition of we. [06:40]
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Vexual the internet et all [06:41]
mircea_popescu well obviously, as it diodn't exist in 73. [06:41]
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Vexual no [06:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: have you considered the 'mr. s. is a disinfo agent' hypothesis? [06:41]
mircea_popescu sure. [06:42]
asciilifeform he needn't be aware of the fact, either [06:42]
mircea_popescu certainly. [06:42]
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asciilifeform easy to set things up so some fool walks off with 'everything he wants' [06:42]
mircea_popescu but mind you, my discussion is purely procedural. [06:42]
mircea_popescu whether he in fact is a defector or a mole, intentional or not, [06:42]
mircea_popescu the story still goes the way describe it. [06:42]
mircea_popescu in short, whether the gas station theft was genuine or staged, [06:43]
mircea_popescu the guy still can't drive. [06:43]
asciilifeform AFAIK, the only reason i have to consider the 'disinfo' hypothesis is the actual effects of the circus [06:43]
mircea_popescu what i want to know is why the us signals corps is made out of monkeys! [06:43]
mircea_popescu it's a disgrace, they'll get cut out of nato meetings at this rate [06:44]
mircea_popescu the way the french were in the 70s. [06:44]
asciilifeform the lusers driven off lavabit likely won't be using gpg, they'll be dropping plaintext (or going home and crying.) [06:44]
asciilifeform cui bono [06:44]
mircea_popescu cui bono what ? [06:44]
asciilifeform people distrusting crypto (of snake oil and genuine varieties, both) [06:44]
asciilifeform left and right [06:44]
asciilifeform who wins [06:45]
mircea_popescu stupidity and laziness need no ulterior motive. [06:45]
Vexual its a big job [06:45]
mircea_popescu this is like inquiring who wins out of the roman notion that blowjobs cause cavities. [06:45]
asciilifeform if you were the fuhrer of NSA, and your minions have not yet found a pill against rsa/etc., what would you do? [06:46]
asciilifeform there's more than one way to steer people away from modern crypto [06:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left [06:47]
mircea_popescu if i were the fuhrer of the nsa i would be putting backdoors in every single code or cypher used by the usg [06:47]
mircea_popescu and leak all the keys [06:47]
mircea_popescu all the time. [06:47]
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mircea_popescu which perhaps explains why there is no competence left in there. [06:48]
mircea_popescu they probably heard the exact same thing a thousand times so far. [06:48]
asciilifeform btw I find it interesting that the names, brief histories, and approximate purposes of the 'Suite A' ciphers (nsa proprietary) used to be on wikipedia [06:48]
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asciilifeform and not one (save the ill-fated Skipjack) has ever seen the light of day [06:48]
mircea_popescu yeah they got a letter of cachet [06:48]
mircea_popescu got really excited about it all at the top cockless geek level. [06:49]
asciilifeform funny part is that every 'spam wikipedia' (clone) still has them [06:49]
asciilifeform the names/abstracts, that is, nobody save the owners have seen the algos [06:49]
mircea_popescu myeah. [06:50]
mircea_popescu actually here's a great idea to troll wikipedia [06:50]
mircea_popescu recreate those articles lol [06:50]
asciilifeform whoah [06:51]
asciilifeform the idiot wiki-printers still have this crap [06:51]
asciilifeform http://www.amazon.co.uk/JOSEKI-cipher-Ronald-Jesse-Russell/dp/B007OVDGVS [06:51]
ozbot JOSEKI (cipher): Amazon.co.uk: Ronald Cohn Jesse Russell: Books [06:51]
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asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography [06:53]
mircea_popescu "It cannot be that a search warrant is "general" merely because it gives the government a tool that, [06:54]
mircea_popescu if abused Contrrary to law, could constitute a general search." [06:54]
mircea_popescu dude this is certainly a novel argument. [06:54]
asciilifeform I do wonder why anybody bothered with the 'lettre du cachet', the wiki crap was the equivalent of a winamp playlist [06:55]
mircea_popescu according to this nutjob a search is not general if it is objectively general as long as there's some sort of theoretical limitation on the generality. [06:55]
asciilifeform well yeah, he used the 'apartment house' analogy [06:56]
mircea_popescu for instance a warrant for the search of all cars in new york "to see if there's anything fishi going on" is not general as long as there;s a dept of transportation rule against people being assholes on the road. [06:56]
mircea_popescu except they're asking for copies to the front door keys, not for the front door t obe unlocked. [06:57]
mircea_popescu such despicable tactics for srsly. [06:57]
asciilifeform it reflects the actual policy of the actual rulers. no surprises here. [06:57]
Vexual and its not illegal to unlcok the door if you have the key? [06:57]
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mircea_popescu dependso n how you got the key. [06:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform finally, what i don't understand in this whole thing, is why didn't the guy just take the 5th ? [07:04]
mircea_popescu send his wife some email about how he had shoplifted or run a red light or w/e [07:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: IANAL, but i don't think you can do that in a civil action [07:05]
mircea_popescu after which he won't give the keys because he's concerned the govt might imprison him by using those keys to read his email.s [07:05]
mircea_popescu they are threatening criminal contempt. it's their only actual effectual means. [07:05]
mircea_popescu otherwise w/e, add 1k per day until you're done adding numbers. [07:05]
asciilifeform threatening, yes, but AFAIK this was technically a civil case. [07:05]
asciilifeform or rather, 'administrative' - sort of like traffic court [07:06]
asciilifeform if he sat around until they physically dragged him off, he might've been able to (might still, actually) end up in criminal proceedings [07:06]
asciilifeform where he might try to take the 5th [07:06]
asciilifeform might want to ask a real live lawyer about this one [07:07]
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mircea_popescu itmakes little difference tho. [07:10]
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mircea_popescu 5th defense is available throughout. [07:10]
mircea_popescu besides, there's an entire mess of civil proceedings that are still criminal for the purposes of that defense. [07:11]
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asciilifeform I imagine there was a precedent where it didn't fly. That, or L and all of his predecessors had uncommonly drunken lawyers. [07:12]
mircea_popescu or pehraps a not wholly digested sense that they are interacting with their enemy [07:16]
mircea_popescu rather than with their government. [07:16]
asciilifeform the judge review site is a real gem [07:18]
mircea_popescu re-reading the transcript it sort-of makes it sound as if the fbi and the judge had prior agreement [07:20]
mircea_popescu and then in court the judge was confronted with a different request from what was agreed in advance. [07:21]
mircea_popescu pretty fucking pernicious this, the defendant doesn't get to go around and chat weith the judge off the record first, before picking one. [07:21]
asciilifeform my suspicion is that the inquisitor (the fellow who actually ran the show) - and definitely the judge - weren't really prepared for the 'we don't have a backdoor already' statement by L [07:22]
mircea_popescu possibly. [07:22]
asciilifeform damn near everything has an obvious administrative backdoor by default [07:22]
mircea_popescu fucking obnoxious dude, that. hello! jim mays here with the government's latest pile of nonsense!" [07:23]
asciilifeform L's system, lame as it was for obvious reasons, was unusual in that regard. [07:23]
mircea_popescu and that binall guy is a retard. [07:23]
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asciilifeform i suspect that the screws will be tightened soon, and the rules that apply to telephone exchanges (illegal to run without user-friendly backdoor at your own expense) will be applied elsewhere. [07:28]
mircea_popescu net result, us loses the shred of internet relevance it still has [07:29]
asciilifeform for example, it now is (or soon will be, depending on what document you believe) to sell a car in the u.s. without a remote-disable radio. [07:29]
mircea_popescu i don't see why this is so hard to graps, but the sovereignity of the internet is not negotiable, it is mandatory. [07:29]
mircea_popescu yes but cars run in the us. [07:30]
asciilifeform it would be interesting to see an internet that doesn't consist mainly of u.s. telecom oligopolies. [07:30]
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asciilifeform maybe time to bring back fidonet. [07:32]
mircea_popescu it doesn't mainly consist of us telecom now. [07:32]
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mircea_popescu whatcher talking about. [07:32]
asciilifeform ok, replace 'us' with 'nato block' [07:33]
asciilifeform see, don't misunderstand, nato doesn't formally own all the oceanic fibers, etc. but if someone can cut your fiber and weld it back with a magic box inline, and you can't do squat about it... you don't own said fiber. [07:34]
asciilifeform even if you paid for the boat and so forth [07:34]
mircea_popescu by this aergument the russians own the intertnet. [07:35]
asciilifeform the cream of the russian navy was rusting and irradiating walrus, last i checked [07:36]
asciilifeform i don't think the ussr lived to get fiber taps right [07:37]
mircea_popescu that may or may not be. factually however, the cream of the us navy is getting boobjobs and trying to be called chelsea. [07:37]
mircea_popescu so... [07:37]
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asciilifeform i do wonder about the fellows who built 'Glomar Explorer'. all dead/senile by now? [07:38]
thestringpuller oh wow [07:39]
thestringpuller people are active [07:39]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform check this shit out : "Only 517 full time magistrate judges and 42 part-time magistrate judges plus some weirdo who is both magistrate judge and court clerk, as of 2009. Guess there couldn’t have been many more in 1993. So I’ll start looking for or making that list. Probably start next week because of the blogging thing." [07:56]
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mircea_popescu hey topace Ukyo http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ give a coin would you ? [14:20]
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mircea_popescu $vwap ^oix [14:58]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 103.17256816 high: 221.93443406 low: 89.5310801 volume: 19 btc: 7.95373126 30 day: no data [14:58]
mircea_popescu the way that shit works out... 103 huh. [14:58]
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d34th darkip daszorz davout daybyter deadweasel deizel Diablo-D3 Digger Digger_ Dimsler dub Duffer1 [14:58]
d34th darkip daszorz davout daybyter deadweasel deizel Diablo-D3 Digger Digger_ Dimsler dub Duffer1 [14:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.99999998 = 12 BTC [+] {2} [14:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share [14:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 1.083 = 4.332 BTC [+] {2} [15:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.11999998 = 11.2 BTC [+] [15:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.14057142 = 7.984 BTC [+] {4} [15:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00944908 = 0.5197 BTC [+] {2} [15:07]
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ColdHardMetal MP around? [15:25]
Duffer1 socialism ftw [15:26]
Duffer1 nope doesn't look like he's around [15:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00092203 = 0.5532 BTC [-] {2} [15:31]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [16:04]
gribble 1447310.16542 [16:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [16:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [16:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 261668 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 411 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 6 hours, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 185257911.629 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.48522 [16:04]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 185257911.629 based on data since last change | 202183809.301 based on data for last three days [16:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0012 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} [16:31]
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assbot [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 8 @ 0.012575 = 0.1006 BTC [-] {3} [16:37]
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plambert why does campbx have a price limit of 1111.11 dollars? They don't let you put in asks for higher than that amount? [16:39]
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topace plambert: a lot of exchanges have limits [16:40]
plambert it just seems like a strange number for the limit [16:41]
topace cavirtex limits the bids to 1/10th of last trade, and the asks to 10 times last trade [16:41]
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mircea_popescu jurov http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443656/Bank-error-makes-restaurant-manager-worlds-trillionaire-offered-pay-national-debt-glitch-spotted.html [17:27]
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kleeck If I saw that much cash in my account I'd conver it to BTC ASAP. [17:31]
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mod6 lol 404! [17:33]
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mod6 ;;market --buy 4040404040404 [17:35]
gribble This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 58928.026 bitcoins, for a total of 763585337.8132 USD and take the price to 1793300000.0000. | Data vintage: 13.7287 seconds [17:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5225 @ 0.0002185 = 1.1417 BTC [+] {2} [17:36]
mike_c ;;bc,24hprc [17:37]
gribble 123.96 [17:37]
mircea_popescu mod6 i was thinking the same thing lol. account not found! [17:38]
mod6 :> [17:40]
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mircea_popescu http://www.cnbc.com/id/101082066 [17:41]
ozbot Wall St. wonders if Obama wants a selloff [17:41]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy stuff. [17:41]
kleeck lolzylicious. [17:42]
mircea_popescu us president goes "the markets aren't paying enough attention, we are going to default!" [17:42]
mircea_popescu the markets drop less than 1 %. [17:42]
mircea_popescu i guess he's not particularly important in the us. [17:42]
kleeck He needed to get Burnanke to say it, then we'd see a sell off. [17:43]
kleeck :) [17:43]
VanCleef trying hard to troll the markets [17:43]
mircea_popescu bernanke's out anyway. [17:43]
VanCleef but the marketplace knows oh bummer is always lying so not too much damage [17:44]
kleeck The markets eat him up though. If you want to crash it, have Burnanke say something negative. [17:44]
plambert The bank, which asked their customer not to identify them, had made the error during an online banking update - I wonder which bank it was? [17:44]
mircea_popescu http://www.wcsh6.com/news/watercooler/article/258720/108/Mississippi-bank-mistake-leaves-customers-with-trillion-dollar-deposits [17:46]
ozbot Mississippi bank mistake leaves customers with trillion dollar deposits | wcsh6.com [17:46]
mircea_popescu http://5newsonline.com/2013/10/03/bank-error-sends-trillions-to-fort-smith-womans-account/ [17:46]
mircea_popescu http://swtimes.com/news/bank-glitch-enters-4-trillion-fort-smith-account [17:46]
ozbot Bank Glitch Enters $4 Trillion To Fort Smith Account | The Times Record [17:46]
mircea_popescu apparently it's been all over. [17:46]
kleeck Interesting. [17:46]
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kleeck So, if you have time to remove any amount of that do you get charged or does it qualify as a banking error and they eat the cost? [17:47]
kleeck (Or deoes FDIC cover it...?) [17:47]
kleeck does* [17:47]
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mircea_popescu depends how able you are to retain counsel. [17:48]
mircea_popescu but in general, it's a clerical error, you owe them [17:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, it was BancorpSouth [17:49]
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pizzaman1337 hey look, NSA has been targeting tor: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-target-tor-network-739/ [18:07]
pizzaman1337 who knew? :P [18:07]
mircea_popescu lolk [18:08]
asciilifeform 'owns and operates' counts as 'targeting' now ? [18:09]
mircea_popescu it;s gotten to the point where pps sheets are classified top secret [18:11]
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mircea_popescu they're classifying boogers and diapers next [18:13]
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asciilifeform anyone read the powerpoint crap yet? [18:15]
asciilifeform it reeks of disinfo [18:15]
pizzaman1337 yeah [18:15]
asciilifeform no way in hell do these buggers not operate several Tb/sec worth of nodes [18:15]
mircea_popescu it's what powerpoint is made for, neh ? [18:15]
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pizzaman1337 Schneier: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity [18:19]
mircea_popescu i'm with asciilifeform's suggestion : that pps is prima facie evidence that the nsa is in fact currently decoding ALL traffic passing through all tor nodes, linking it to originating ips and storing this mess. [18:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interestingly, the 'tor foundation' is a lot like the 'bitcoin foundation' but more so. they have a list of 'authority' nodes that every client prefers by default. [18:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's quite clear that the bitcoin foundation is constructed according to a desgned specification, not unique to it. [18:23]
mircea_popescu maybe not necessarily clear to the average 27 yo muppet who thinks building php code out of stack exchange snippets makes him a businessman, [18:24]
mircea_popescu but the trained eye doth see the signs. [18:24]
jcpham php is so erreeet [18:24]
jcpham dude! it does everything [18:25]
jcpham and it's been around for ages, so you know it's secure [18:25]
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mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with php [18:25]
mircea_popescu the dorks are the problem. php [18:25]
mircea_popescu s fine [18:25]
mike_c there are many things wrong with php [18:25]
jcpham in today's internet a preprocessor scares me [18:26]
jcpham no offense, internet [18:26]
mike_c http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ [18:26]
ozbot PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad [18:26]
mircea_popescu dude. it's for serving blogs and stuff like that. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu would you stop torturing things. [18:26]
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pankkake I'm with mike_c. PHP is a language for nihilists [18:27]
zoinky i remember this php blog post [18:27]
zoinky wish i saved the one that rebuttals it [18:27]
mike_c it is so funny though [18:28]
pankkake there is no rebutal. this is written by someone with years of experience using php [18:28]
mike_c "You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways." [18:28]
mircea_popescu this arguing as to why php is not the best tool to write nuclear power plant supervision tools and spacecraft controlsoftware entirely misses the point. [18:28]
mircea_popescu php is intended to make the date show in a html page. [18:29]
pankkake no it's not. many languages can do that [18:29]
pankkake php is not more simple [18:29]
mircea_popescu i am not saying it is more simple. [18:29]
kakobrekla hey hey i use it in my nuclear power plant [18:29]
pankkake it has no special features for the web [18:29]
mircea_popescu i am not saying it does. [18:29]
mike_c pankkake is saying that it does the same thing as other languages, only worse. [18:30]
deizel is this coint ipo on picostocks for real? [18:30]
mircea_popescu only worse in ways and areas its userbase doesn't give a shit about. [18:30]
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mircea_popescu deizel nothing on picostocks ios for real. [18:30]
pankkake pretty much. and I've used it a lot - this is why I hate it [18:30]
zoinky what language would you guys suggest [18:30]
mike_c +1 for python [18:30]
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mircea_popescu zoinky malbolge implemented in scheme. [18:30]
zoinky ugh [18:30]
deizel i'd like to know before putting money into a hacked exchange written in cakephp that doesn't even have the securitycomponent enabled on the login screen [18:30]
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mircea_popescu deizel it's a scam since day one, this is well known, not much to see hiar. [18:31]
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zoinky i use php and nodejs in pretty much all my projects, im a huge fan of laravel [18:31]
zoinky silence o_O [18:38]
kakobrekla *tumbleweed* [18:38]
kakobrekla as i said, my nuclear power plant works fine on php. [18:39]
mircea_popescu lol [18:39]
KRS1 heh [18:39]
mike_c while pondering the calm, go buy my piddling few ATM options: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.C125T [18:40]
zoinky bitcoin is coded in php, no? [18:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-] [18:40]
mircea_popescu zoinky no, bitcoin is coded in c [18:40]
KRS1 Why can't infrastructure managers use dedicated lines? Are they that keen on saving money that high risk infrastructure be connected to public networks? [18:40]
mircea_popescu KRS1 public infrastructure is actually safer in principle. [18:41]
VanCleef is php a scam? [18:41]
KRS1 I disagree..that couldn't possibly be the case. [18:41]
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mircea_popescu KRS1 you secure your communication, not your channel. [18:44]
mircea_popescu similarly, when you get married you're well advised to marry women you can trust [18:44]
mircea_popescu rather than spend a lot on making the windows impenetrable and the doors unopenable. [18:44]
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afrotec but that's more fun [18:50]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+] [18:51]
pankkake married women doors are usually hard to penetrate [18:54]
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mircea_popescu not as hard as you'd think. [18:55]
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pankkake well, unless you're not the husband of course [18:56]
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Kushedout Anyone know what this is all about? https://picostocks.com/stocks/view/31 cause it doesn't look legit http://i.imgur.com/ZMf6Lvt.png [19:04]
mircea_popescu Kushedout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340074 [19:06]
mike_c picostocks is the php of btc exchanges. [19:07]
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Kushedout There is nothing in the logs besides someone asking the same question and you bashing. [19:10]
jcpham "picostocks is a scam" [19:11]
jcpham that's what i gleaned [19:11]
jcpham unsure if true or not, but apparently the IPO is fraud [19:11]
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mircea_popescu i'm not "bashing", newb. [19:17]
mircea_popescu jcpham they had the 100th scam ipo and a bunch of others. par for the course. [19:19]
kakobrekla for various amounts of scam [19:19]
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jcpham i thought all the ipo's were scams [19:19]
jcpham does the asset exchange really make it less or more of a scam [19:19]
mircea_popescu some websites masquerading as exchanges specialise in listing scams/ [19:20]
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mircea_popescu picostocks thing is such a website masquerading as an exchange. [19:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00022 = 0.44 BTC [+] [19:24]
jcpham that's right buy all that labcoin [19:25]
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LorenzoMoney is labcoin a scam or what? [19:27]
LorenzoMoney does ANYONE know the real story? [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+] {2} [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-] [19:28]
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pankkake doesn't matter. even if everything labcoin says is true it is still a scam [19:29]
mircea_popescu this real story bs. [19:29]
kakobrekla amazing company is what it is. [19:29]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:29]
mircea_popescu what's the "real story" ? the movie of how some boy in ghana couldn't afford to buy his sweetheart shoes so he hatched a plan to build an internet paper empire ? [19:30]
kakobrekla so if slovenia means somalia ghana means italy?! [19:31]
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mircea_popescu lol got me there. [19:32]
mircea_popescu i guess this is correct. [19:32]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone saw the news item about the boatload of african refugees trying to get to europe that had no cellphones and since the boat was leaking [19:33]
mircea_popescu they started a fire to get people's attention [19:33]
mircea_popescu which burned their tub do the ground err... not to the ground really. to sea level. [19:33]
pankkake lol that was why? [19:33]
mircea_popescu The disaster occurred when the boat's motor stopped working and the vessel began to take on water, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said. [19:34]
mircea_popescu People on board burned a sheet to attract the attention of rescuers, starting a fire on board. [19:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 790 @ 0.000226 = 0.1785 BTC [+] [19:34]
pankkake the real question is why would somalians want to go to italy [19:34]
mircea_popescu because welfare state. [19:34]
pankkake of one of the most broke eu countries [19:35]
mircea_popescu i suspect broke means different things in different places. [19:35]
pankkake but I get it - there are a lot of myths of money growing on trees [19:35]
mircea_popescu besides, from italy they can get to monaco [19:35]
pankkake so we get migrants who go to France to get all that free money [19:35]
asciilifeform afaik once you're in the eu, you can wander off to some other eu country [19:36]
pankkake turns out, there is no such free money [19:36]
mircea_popescu ^ [19:36]
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mircea_popescu pankkake at least there's free cheese. [19:38]
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skinnkavaj Is labcoin scam or not? [19:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0029 = 0.435 BTC [-] {2} [19:44]
kakobrekla skinnkavaj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340125 [19:44]
kakobrekla follow that link on the end! [19:45]
skinnkavaj kakobrekla: oh wow thanks im on tv [19:45]
kakobrekla :D [19:45]
mircea_popescu lol [19:48]
mircea_popescu is this the result of the forum croaking ? [19:48]
kakobrekla dunno [19:49]
mircea_popescu and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ? [19:49]
kakobrekla maybe 5 or 10 users more here than regularly [19:49]
mircea_popescu where have all the jesuses gone ? [19:49]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/8zrBQqs7waA [19:50]
ozbot Marlene Dietrich - Where have all the flowers gone? - YouTube [19:50]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1114 @ 0.00023409 = 0.2608 BTC [+] {2} [19:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00949799 = 0.5034 BTC [+] {2} [19:58]
pankkake every time I see a + on labcoin… http://totoz.eu/img/flu12345678 [19:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.009498 = 0.133 BTC [+] [19:59]
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assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 486 @ 0.0052 = 2.5272 BTC [-] [20:00]
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ThickAsThieves and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ? <<<< I was pondering this while on the shitter this morning [20:06]
pankkake assbot: now you're just trying to get me mad [20:06]
ThickAsThieves great time for someone to dethrone btctalk [20:06]
mircea_popescu ideally multiple someones. [20:06]
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pankkake why would you want to create another forum? [20:06]
mircea_popescu afaik that's theymos' idea anyway [20:06]
jcpham rumor is eligius is working on a new forum [20:06]
jcpham i told them i'd moderate if it doesn't suck [20:06]
jcpham the new forum that is [20:06]
pankkake moderators suck [20:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3317 @ 0.00087238 = 2.8937 BTC [+] [20:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 169 @ 0.00511927 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3} [20:07]
pankkake and most forum software suck [20:07]
jcpham fisrt ban goes to pankkake [20:07]
ThickAsThieves everyone sucks in a forum [20:07]
pankkake jcpham: yay [20:07]
jcpham lolololo [20:07]
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jcpham i support pre-banning [20:07]
pankkake there's a forum I've been on for 10+ years, I think I have been banned for 3 of those years [20:07]
Doctor_Andonuts ThickAsThieves: have you done all the btct -> other exhchange transfers? I know your busy, just curious [20:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 670 @ 0.0002648 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {2} [20:08]
ThickAsThieves Doc, I just got home from 2 weeks of travelling [20:08]
ThickAsThieves you'll know when they are done [20:08]
ThickAsThieves i promise i won't keep it a secret ;) [20:08]
Doctor_Andonuts Awesome, not complaining at all. Just want to make sure I wasnt missed or if I messed something up =D [20:09]
kleeck How was Cyprus? [20:09]
ThickAsThieves basically it will be the bulk of my time for the next few days [20:09]
ThickAsThieves Cyprus was great [20:09]
kakobrekla jcpham some religious pricks forum eh? [20:09]
kakobrekla i wouldnt hang out with child molesters [20:09]
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ThickAsThieves got to participate in a few days of meetings between Neo and partners, etc [20:09]
ThickAsThieves got to see the offices and storefront [20:10]
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ThickAsThieves Cyprus itself was surprisingly dry [20:10]
kleeck Awesome! How's it look? [20:10]
ThickAsThieves the office look great [20:10]
kleeck (NeoBee) [20:10]
ThickAsThieves it's all nnew build [20:10]
ThickAsThieves very modern [20:10]
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ThickAsThieves much bigger space than comes across in the photos [20:11]
Doctor_Andonuts Thats sweet [20:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 19 @ 0.00827889 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2} [20:13]
jurov in re: bitcointalk, there is already https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ and i'm using it for coinbr support for quite some time [20:14]
jurov now if everyone stopped ignoring its existence... [20:14]
pankkake but why would we use that forum? [20:15]
mircea_popescu jurov who's running it ? [20:16]
mircea_popescu omfg all the icons and shit. [20:16]
mircea_popescu this forum is giving me dyslexia. [20:17]
pankkake you can sign up with your "social media account", yay [20:17]
jurov i did not research their backgroud... even if it's UC, i don't care [20:17]
jurov dude was nice, made me subforum with admin access and that's all i needed [20:18]
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mircea_popescu well here's to hoping there'll be a bunch of these and that's tyhat. [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00087238 = 0.9596 BTC [+] [20:20]
thestringpuller lol giving you dyslexia [20:20]
lewicki free muay thai skin for lol for anyone that's interested: [20:21]
lewicki http://na.alienwarearena.com/giveaways/muay-thai-lee-sin-groups-giveaway [20:21]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt mind if the concept of the "official forum thread" went away [20:21]
kleeck nice lewicki - love me some jungle Lee Sin. [20:22]
Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, nor would I [20:23]
jurov and re the trillionaire, mpex made me temporarily rich to some 10^20 magnitude.. no bank can come close [20:24]
jurov banks dont use bigints [20:24]
asciilifeform jurov: judging by the 'trillionaire' snafu, they still use BCD. [20:25]
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pankkake http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/amd-puts-r9-290x-pre-orders-live-asks-for-200-deposit/ litecoin mining has its preorders too! [20:27]
ozbot AMD Puts R9-290X Pre-Orders Live; Asks for $200 Deposit | Hardware Canucks [20:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it's a liability anyway, all the scammers paying you five btc or w/e to have the airs of respectability... not so good. [20:27]
mircea_popescu classical math problem : [20:29]
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mircea_popescu "Triginta tibi sunt pueri totidemque puellae: Una est nec surgit mentula. Quid facies?" [20:30]
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mircea_popescu roughly speaking, "you've got thirty boys and that many girls. you've got one cock and it won't stand up. what to do ?" [20:30]
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jurov have its connection reset by peer? [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00087238 = 0.2617 BTC [+] [20:36]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [20:37]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 89.5310801 / 103.17256816 / 221.93443406 (19 shares, 7.95 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [20:37]
mircea_popescu lol [20:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.01428571 = 7.1 BTC [+] {4} [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-] [20:38]
jurov https://bitcoinera.net/ 6% monthly interest.. who is this? [20:40]
ozbot Bitcoin Wallet | Online Bitcoin Wallet & Investing in Bitcoin - 6% monthly on your bitcoin deposits [20:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.0275 = 2.055 BTC [+] {2} [20:40]
jurov proudly writte in PHP [20:40]
kleeck PHP IS FOR PLEBS [20:41]
pankkake proudly, really? :/ [20:41]
jurov Contact Person: Christoph Zeras [20:41]
jurov Address:444 Brickell Ave Miami Florida [20:42]
mircea_popescu Regretfully written in PHP [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00858109 = 0.3947 BTC [-] {3} [20:42]
jurov phone's there. too [20:42]
mircea_popescu "We express our condoleances to ourselves for having made this website." [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00851046 = 0.8851 BTC [-] {4} [20:43]
pankkake "6% monthly", "low risk" [20:43]
jurov Of course bitcoinera.net also offers industry standard security, SSL certificates, AES hard disk encryption, hashed passwords, offline cold storage and transaction PINs which makes it one of the most secure online bitcoin wallets available. [20:44]
mircea_popescu derp. [20:44]
mircea_popescu incidentally, for all the roiling against php i can't believe nobody's saying anything about ubuntu's gedit. [20:45]
jurov "industry standard" we know so well what's bitcoin industry standard [20:45]
mircea_popescu i do not think i have seen a more braindamaged piece of software since the days of windows 3.1 [20:45]
jurov you can avoid it unlike php [20:45]
mircea_popescu ;;google bitdaytrade industry standard [20:45]
gribble Alberto Armandi - Hong Kong | LinkedIn: ; Bitcoin Websites - Google Drive - Google Docs: [20:45]
mircea_popescu jurov i thought people objected at other people using it. [20:46]
kakobrekla AA's reality is distorted [20:46]
mircea_popescu somewha [20:47]
mircea_popescu t [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.36000001 = 8.28 BTC [-] [20:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+] [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 39 @ 0.14299991 = 5.577 BTC [-] [20:51]
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KRS1 damn pigeons [20:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.08479912 = 8.7343 BTC [+] {4} [20:57]
pankkake I wouldn't trust it, it does not have "Protected against SQL injections by escaping all possible user input" in its serucity measures [20:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 15 @ 0.08499 = 1.2749 BTC [+] [20:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5733 @ 0.00087182 = 4.9981 BTC [-] {2} [20:59]
kakobrekla 6% a month, new PIBOR rate [21:00]
mircea_popescu pewpewbor [21:00]
thestringpuller lol isn't mpex.co written in php? [21:04]
thestringpuller buildin' tables with echo statements mr. popescu [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00086492 = 2.638 BTC [-] {2} [21:05]
mircea_popescu malboge [21:05]
asciilifeform befunge. [21:06]
mircea_popescu is that stack based malboge ? [21:07]
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asciilifeform 2d grid instead of linear flow. [21:09]
asciilifeform http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge [21:09]
ozbot Befunge - Esolang [21:09]
mircea_popescu o [21:09]
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thestringpuller Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The first Malbolge program was not written by a human being, it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.[1] [21:13]
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jurov lol but having useful code written in malbolge... maybe it could be treated as black box then [21:27]
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jurov but perhaps imprisonment and torture of phd students must me involved [21:28]
mircea_popescu jurov or the fbi could ask for the keys. [21:28]
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jurov what keys? when the programmers will get insane, not even fbi will get keys [21:29]
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jurov but maybe they'll waterboard knuth in turn... [21:30]
jurov or hire reiser [21:30]
ieatcows just saw this update if anyone is an ADDICTION holder. --- Some good news at last! As we speak, 9 miners are on their way to our datacenter. Since we don't trust UPS ;) (and UPS does not deliver on the weekends) we are picking them up ourselves :) We picked them up this afternoon so they should arrive in the morning (European time) where we will have them hashing asap! [21:30]
jurov ieatcows: how many ths? [21:31]
ieatcows the summary says 4.2 TH but I'm not sure if they factored in the fact that the KNC miners do more than 500 GH since they wrote the summary [21:32]
pankkake ;;bc,stats [21:36]
gribble Current Blocks: 261707 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 372 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 184991384.841 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.30613 [21:36]
mircea_popescu so there's a new mpex asset : http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA [21:38]
pankkake next 2 weeks: 5 min blocks? [21:38]
pankkake lol NSA [21:38]
asciilifeform whee [21:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00852001 = 0.2897 BTC [-] [21:39]
mircea_popescu i plan to make a post tomorrow detailing what the plan is, [21:39]
mircea_popescu but if anyone has questions good idea to ask anyway. [21:39]
pankkake so, what is this thing? [21:40]
jcpham fuck that i'm not beggin for an explanation [21:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake a manufacturer of crypto items [21:40]
pankkake could you be more vague? [21:40]
kakobrekla he can. [21:41]
pankkake I have no doubts [21:41]
mircea_popescu yeah but it'd take straining [21:41]
pankkake anyway, we know all that is needed is a name and a logo [21:42]
mircea_popescu it's what it is tho, make integrated hardware-and-software products that make absolute guarantees [21:42]
mircea_popescu such as, "as long as you use gizmo X, there is no way for anyone to listen in to your coversation. no matter what." [21:42]
mircea_popescu or "as long as you use gizmo Y, your data will be absolutely destroyed if you fart. no exceptions." [21:43]
jcpham not sure if to laugh or cry [21:43]
pankkake so things that free software can do better anyway? [21:43]
mircea_popescu this would include hardware and software, for one. [21:44]
mircea_popescu and for the other, take lavabit as a convenient example. the theoretical privacy offered by the service depended on a godaddy ssl cert and the owner's resistance to fbi court orders. [21:44]
mircea_popescu the idea is to make objects which depend on no externality. as long as they function, they function securely, and this as a matter of fact rather than convention. [21:45]
pankkake no hosted email service can guarantee privacy [21:45]
mircea_popescu exactly. [21:45]
pankkake so, a home email server, for example? [21:45]
pankkake I've seen projects like that, interesting, but sadly not going anywhere [21:45]
mircea_popescu something like that would theoretically qualify, i suppose. [21:45]
asciilifeform pankkake: more like a spoon. the latter is guaranteed not to stab you in the eye spontaneously, if used as prescribed. by pure physical fact of it being what it is. [21:46]
kakobrekla https://github.com/Bit-Wasp/BitWasp [21:46]
kakobrekla go! [21:47]
pankkake > php [21:47]
mircea_popescu "BitWasp is an open source project which aims to lower the barrier for anyone to set up there own secure, anonymous marketplace. " [21:47]
mircea_popescu great aim. [21:47]
kakobrekla php can kick you off this chan [21:47]
mircea_popescu the lower the barriers the better the movie. bring popcorns. [21:47]
pankkake also, CodeIgniter [21:47]
pankkake well, the SR fiasco tells us that the marketplace admin should be highly knowledgable [21:48]
pankkake make it some easy php thing, and it's going to be a lot of failures [21:48]
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pankkake the only way I could see it working, is that if it came with professional support [21:49]
mircea_popescu from whom. [21:50]
pankkake the developers [21:50]
mircea_popescu pankkake http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ [21:50]
mircea_popescu that was 2012. [21:50]
asciilifeform pankkake: does a spoon come with professional support? believe it or not, it is possible to build an artifact which functions as described, until it is physically destroyed. [21:50]
pankkake ah well, I thought about it a few days ago [21:50]
mircea_popescu "All help and contributions in getting Bitwasp completed are very much appreciated as the time of the lead developers is currently very limited." [21:51]
pankkake asciilifeform: I'm not talking about your idea, but about bitwasp [21:51]
pankkake though if it's software, you have the issue of updating it [21:51]
mircea_popescu i wonder if there's some underground forum distributing teenage cunt and assorted pills to people on the basis of how many lead developer roles they fail to fill. [21:52]
asciilifeform pankkake: when's the last time you updated the software in your microwave oven? [21:52]
pankkake you know it's not the same thing [21:52]
pankkake and the microwave does not take complex imput from strangers [21:52]
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mircea_popescu okay, when's the last time you updated the software in your girlfriend ? [21:53]
pankkake mircea_popescu: pretty much all those community project fail. see diaspora for one of the best examples [21:53]
mircea_popescu no argument. [21:53]
pankkake mircea_popescu: I wish that was possible, because they were all very defective [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00949797 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {2} [21:53]
pankkake beta versions I guess [21:54]
mircea_popescu lol [21:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00949887 = 1.6148 BTC [+] [21:54]
mircea_popescu vaguely related : http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/ 2009 article explaining how to hack in the building access intercom so as to get other people's calls. [21:55]
pankkake I haven't been able to figure out what OpenTranscations actually is [21:57]
mircea_popescu me either. i've probably been at it longer than you. i think we will die and it will endure mysterious. [21:58]
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Apocalyptic pankkake, as in mtgox's withdrawal form ? [22:00]
ThickAsThieves Just found a couple bitcoins in an old BitStamp account, they won't let me withdraw until I do AML [22:00]
pankkake Apocalyptic: http://opentransactions.org/ [22:01]
ThickAsThieves pretty retarded considering that I never actually bought or sold btc with the account [22:01]
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pankkake ThickAsThieves: do they force it for the Ripple widthdrawal too? [22:03]
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ThickAsThieves dunno [22:03]
ThickAsThieves i'm not gonna try and find out [22:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5144 @ 0.0008719 = 4.4851 BTC [+] {3} [22:03]
ThickAsThieves gonna do AML [22:04]
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ThickAsThieves I realized with this recent crash I need more quick ways to trade [22:04]
pankkake I'm still trying to reverify my bitcoin-central account, they seem to want a new document every day [22:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+] [22:04]
kakobrekla lol [22:05]
pankkake most of them being very easy to fake, but whatever [22:05]
mircea_popescu fake documents are bad mmkay ? [22:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00999899 = 0.4999 BTC [+] [22:07]
pankkake > trusting a piece of paper [22:07]
asciilifeform i often wonder if all the jokers demanding documents are doing so to feed honeypots like the late SR [22:07]
ThickAsThieves BitFunder will probly be next [22:07]
ThickAsThieves Weex already allows AML submission [22:07]
asciilifeform inevitably some moron succumbs to the temptation of buying false papers, he buys from a stoolie; and game over. [22:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+] [22:09]
dexX7 bitstamp did this step like 2 months ago or so [22:09]
dexX7 by the way ThickAsThieves: do you still process btct am -> am1? [22:10]
ThickAsThieves Yes [22:10]
dexX7 good to know, thanks [22:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed it was never explained just how the fake ids dpr guy bought were discovered in the mail. [22:10]
mircea_popescu just you know... glossed over. [22:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437 @ 0.00087387 = 0.3819 BTC [+] [22:11]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly something like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/open-market/ [22:13]
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asciilifeform no need to 'discover' anything when a stoolie is in fact doing the forgeries. [22:14]
dexX7 ThickAsThieves: is there a cutoff date for transfers? [22:17]
ThickAsThieves well BTCT closes on Monday right? [22:17]
ThickAsThieves so this weekend would make sense [22:17]
dexX7 yes and afaik burnside is going to convert all remaining shares to direct shares on the 10th [22:18]
dexX7 weekend is fine :) [22:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00086702 = 1.604 BTC [-] [22:26]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-] [22:30]
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pizzaman1337 so, the SR BTC is to be liquidated? http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/04/fbi-silk-road-bitcoin-seizure/ [22:31]
mircea_popescu lol he gave them the keys ? [22:32]
pizzaman1337 "The FBI has not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. “That’s like another $80 million worth,” she said, explaining that it was held separately and is encrypted." [22:32]
pankkake yes, he seems to make it a point of doing everything wrong [22:33]
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pankkake hm, that's better [22:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [BMF] 9 @ 0.0151 = 0.1359 BTC [+] [22:33]
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asciilifeform big deal, rectothermal cryptoanalysis until he upchucks the key. [22:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it;s not worth it to them. [22:34]
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asciilifeform didn't say it will be a government official inserting the iron [22:34]
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pankkake well, if I had that much bitcoins, I'd use passwordless security [22:34]
asciilifeform just whoever has unsupervised access to DPR's sorry carcass in the near future. [22:35]
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mircea_popescu mebbe. [22:35]
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pankkake redditors went all "it will pay the gov debt" [22:36]
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asciilifeform pankkake: it will go to the same place where the cocaine went. [22:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+] [22:37]
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asciilifeform wouldn't it be funny if the 27k btc walked away sometime? [22:38]
asciilifeform https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX [22:38]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX [22:38]
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mircea_popescu the irony, of course, is that so far this quite strengthens bitcoin. [22:39]
mircea_popescu on one hand, the govt taking the trouble to peel some of the bottom layers of idiot muppets off btc is great. [22:39]
mircea_popescu on the other, 30k less btc can't hurt anything. [22:39]
kleeck ^ [22:39]
kleeck When I saw "liquidate" I was happy. [22:39]
pankkake what does liquidate mean? [22:40]
kleeck Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate! [22:40]
pankkake anyway, it certainly be a manual of "what not to do" for the next silk roads [22:41]
deadweasel fucking daleks, the lot of you. [22:41]
deadweasel ;) [22:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00086826 = 1.5629 BTC [+] {2} [22:41]
skinnkavaj Hey doesn't anyone think ADDICTION on bitfunder is a great buy? The kncminers are arriving, they just posted news. Has anyone done any calculations how much those shares can make in divends lately? [22:41]
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pankkake skinnkavaj: do it yourself [22:41]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj nobody seemed to have cared so far. [22:42]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Trying [22:42]
pankkake http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ [22:42]
ozbot Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block [22:42]
kleeck "can some1 maths 4 meh plox thnx" [22:42]
skinnkavaj Reading cached version of bitcointalk now [22:42]
skinnkavaj Please help me calculate [22:42]
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mircea_popescu pankkake actually that;'s a pretty nice link. [22:43]
pankkake I'm pretty sure no one is going to sell it at a good price for you anyway [22:43]
pankkake mircea_popescu: it's the *only* calculator that doesn't suck [22:43]
skinnkavaj 1 share is 32mhash [22:43]
pankkake or the one that sucks the less [22:43]
skinnkavaj Where can i find calculator for how much 1mhash will bring in? [22:43]
mircea_popescu Bitfury (EU) 0.78 / Bitfury (EU) 0.15 [22:43]
mircea_popescu da fuck ? [22:43]
mircea_popescu it's not normalised or somerthing ? [22:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;genrate 32000 [22:44]
gribble The expected generation output, at 32000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 148819199.805, is 0.108137985871 BTC per day and 0.00450574941127 BTC per hour. [22:44]
mircea_popescu bejesus, 320 gh/s makes 1 btc a day. [22:45]
skinnkavaj Seems not worth it [22:45]
skinnkavaj with current share price [22:45]
mircea_popescu i remember when the entire network was like, 30gh [22:46]
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pankkake http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/d1afeb43fa if I'm not mistaken, at 0.01 a share of 32 mhash, it's a loss [22:47]
ozbot Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block [22:47]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-] [22:50]
pankkake if I ever encounter a time machine, the only thing I'd bring with me is a block erupter [22:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.001216 = 1.216 BTC [-] {2} [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086702 = 1.2138 BTC [-] [22:52]
ThickAsThieves so is this BitFury marketplace TradeFortress' new thing? [22:53]
ThickAsThieves https://www.cex.io/promo/?src=bitv [22:54]
mircea_popescu "CEX.IO is the first and leading commodity exchange in the Bitcoin community. Here you can buy or sell GHashes" [22:54]
mircea_popescu duide the bullshit. it's the fourth generation. [22:55]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin is a commodity bro! [22:55]
mircea_popescu Ukto tried to run something called hashpower after pirate's coin minter scam support thing floundered, and THAT was 2nd generation [22:55]
kakobrekla but it didnt work [22:56]
mircea_popescu by now this "we're the first" and the "we're the largest" markers are pretty clear indications of dipshit 20something year old deadpirateroberts-ism. [22:56]
kakobrekla cause it was no ponzi powered [22:56]
jborkl that isnt the first- gpumax did that [22:56]
ThickAsThieves if it is TF's thing, he paid like 210btc to advertise in btctalk [22:57]
ThickAsThieves waste of money [22:57]
kakobrekla O_o [22:57]
jborkl what is btctalk? [22:57]
jborkl never heard of it [22:57]
ThickAsThieves forum [22:57]
kakobrekla what is btc? [22:57]
jborkl ? [22:57]
ThickAsThieves scam [22:57]
kakobrekla ?? [22:57]
jborkl never heard of it [22:57]
ThickAsThieves butcointalk [22:57]
kakobrekla what is heard? [22:58]
ThickAsThieves who is this is? [22:58]
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mircea_popescu lmao 210 btc ? srsly ?! [22:58]
ThickAsThieves yeah he bought 7 spots at 30btcv ea [22:58]
mircea_popescu there's something amiss here. that thing isn't going to make 200 btc over its lifetime. [22:58]
dexX7 lol yup [22:58]
kakobrekla this is called bflism [22:58]
kakobrekla bashing those ads [22:59]
pankkake unless he's also selling his own stuff? [22:59]
ThickAsThieves my guess is he urgently wanted to get it out there due to diff rising [22:59]
pankkake though I don't even really understand what it is [22:59]
mircea_popescu if we're going to discover theymos was faking his auctions cognitive style... [22:59]
ThickAsThieves actually TF opened his bid at that [22:59]
kakobrekla lol [22:59]
kakobrekla ;;seen tradefortress [22:59]
gribble tradefortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: Graet, that's technically correct, it's just part of the demo. [22:59]
jborkl lol, garr225 right? [22:59]
kakobrekla he dun like irc [23:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the only way it makes sense to be paying 200 btc to advertise on btctalk ius if you're not paying 200 btc. [23:00]
pankkake you can't really fake auctions though. it's mostly psychological [23:00]
ThickAsThieves like orgasms? [23:00]
mircea_popescu lol [23:00]
mircea_popescu but srsly, it'd be more cost effective to buy 1 kilo of coke from the fbi [23:00]
mircea_popescu and send it in baggies to your prospective customers. [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.03950968 BTC to 40`316 shares, 98 satoshi per share [23:00]
ThickAsThieves maybe it's just his roundabout way of selling PMBs [23:01]
jborkl where is all this KNC hardware that was supposed to be out? [23:02]
jborkl without the forum, how am I supposed to keep up with scams [23:02]
pankkake eh, people seem to be getting it actually [23:02]
Au-WireBeard Has KNC started hosting hardware yet? [23:02]
ThickAsThieves ask reddit? [23:02]
ThickAsThieves ask Knc? [23:03]
jborkl from what I have seen, they have not answered on the knc forum in 4 days [23:03]
ThickAsThieves well they were of course mining with it themselves for a bit before shipping [23:03]
ThickAsThieves so probably wont affect nethash [23:03]
pankkake https://bitfunder.com/asset/ADDICTION#pane_news 9 miners! [23:04]
Au-WireBeard So much for having the facility setup and ready to go before th chips arrive [23:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.009989 = 0.1598 BTC [+] [23:04]
pankkake from what I understand, they're doing it in the order of all orders, so hosted mining won't go before regular orders [23:05]
pankkake http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/4259-i-got-my-tracking-number-%7B%7B-post-here-when-you-do-%7D%7D [23:07]
* Au-WireBeard slaps ThickAsThieves around a bit with a large trout [23:07]
ozbot I got my tracking number {{ POST HERE WHEN YOU DO }} [23:07]
* ThickAsThieves blows Au-WireBeard a kiss. [23:12]
pankkake http://cointerra.com/coolit-systems-selected-cointerra-partner-liquid-cooling-solutions/ that's actually more interesting to me than their fpga demo [23:14]
thestringpuller fmlafjlkeajfleawjflkajwekrwkflajfkjfljawkakjfl;lawfl;jwljejvlwg;fjw [23:16]
ThickAsThieves thestringpuller got a cat [23:16]
jurov or misfapped [23:17]
thestringpuller my cat ran over the keyboard [23:17]
* ThickAsThieves does a victory dance. [23:18]
jurov he'd never admit anyway [23:18]
ThickAsThieves the cat typed "fml" & "flea" [23:19]
Au-WireBeard So theymos is finally using that donation fund to upgrade the forums? Or just place bounties here and there? [23:20]
benkay_ thestringpuller: https://soundcloud.com/mslaurynhill/ms-lauryn-hill-consumerism-1 [23:21]
ThickAsThieves ^ meh [23:21]
benkay_ at least it has more than 12 unique words [23:21]
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ThickAsThieves https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=277 [23:22]
ThickAsThieves "This is good for the Bitcoin economy in general and the reputation in specific because it proves that Bitcoins are in and of themselves a neutral store of value or medium of exchange and that privacy does not necessarily have to be compromised for law enforcement purposes." [23:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+] [23:25]
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mircea_popescu Timing buffered disk reads: 5758 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1919.23 MB/sec [23:28]
mircea_popescu some things you gotta love. [23:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.15639577 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 3 satoshi per share [23:30]
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mircea_popescu herp. [23:30]
jurov mhm [23:31]
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jurov it's actually 2.69 satoshi per share for mpex/coinbr users, 2 satoshi for passthrough bagholders [23:35]
mircea_popescu hang on a second. [23:37]
jurov um... my maffs are wrong. [23:37]
jurov it's 3.85 for mpex, 3 else [23:37]
kakobrekla smth is wrong there yeah [23:38]
kakobrekla missed a decimal place? [23:38]
jurov lol looking on my code for wisdom what it actualy did [23:39]
jurov *into [23:40]
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mircea_popescu uyeah. [23:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.03 = 17.51 BTC [+] [23:40]
kakobrekla seriously mp, into the ground, well, to sea level. :) [23:40]
mircea_popescu omg this is hate. [23:41]
kakobrekla lol [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.04075619 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 34 satoshi per share [23:41]
mircea_popescu now it's right. [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 21.91991239 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 4 satoshi per share [23:42]
mircea_popescu rejoice. [23:43]
ThickAsThieves you garbage? [23:44]
mircea_popescu hm ? [23:44]
FabianB hmm.. why is bbet div less than august if august profits were lower? [23:44]
mircea_popescu "i have no idea what's going on." ~towlie. [23:44]
mircea_popescu FabianB cause it came in two chunks? [23:45]
jurov at least assbot should have done its maths correctly.. now i have a mess in db [23:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.36000007 = 1.08 BTC [+] {2} [23:46]
kakobrekla hm yeah [23:46]
kakobrekla something is off [23:46]
kakobrekla hum [23:46]
mircea_popescu yeah wtf. [23:46]
FabianB even both together [23:47]
kakobrekla welcome to quantum assets [23:47]
mircea_popescu heh. turns out, FabianB, that last month i fucked up the bitbet divs too. [23:47]
mircea_popescu i overpaid about 3x ;/ [23:47]
ThickAsThieves heh [23:48]
mircea_popescu july Profit : 5.75330454 BTC / 1.72599069 BTC on 04-08-13 ; aug Profit : 2.69851570 BTC / 2.69851526 BTC [23:48]
mircea_popescu basically last month i paid the 3mn shares on mpex as if they were the whole 10mn. which they aren't. [23:49]
FabianB lol, why not have all shares on mpex? [23:49]
mircea_popescu there will be a 1.88896099 BTC charge on next month to make it whole. unless i forget. [23:49]
mircea_popescu or i fuck something else up. [23:49]
ThickAsThieves scams! [23:49]
mircea_popescu FabianB well the bitbet ipo was so that once this 3mn shares sell we get teh rest of our shares allocated. [23:50]
mircea_popescu however... so far it's not sold [23:50]
ThickAsThieves kinda ironic, linking the trillionaire earlier [23:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i guess this qualifies as an unjustified accelerated dividend and therefore A SCAM [23:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.36000007 = 3.6 BTC [+] [23:50]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu first payment was for 30 mio shares, second for 3 mio [23:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla this month ? yes. [23:51]
ThickAsThieves coincidentally was discussing various risks in operation with lawyer today, including "human error" [23:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves im notoriously bad at this dividend crap. just ask jurov. [23:52]
kakobrekla yeah that why assbot reported wrong numbers [23:52]
kakobrekla is not phps fault [23:52]
ThickAsThieves kill all teh dividend assets! [23:52]
mircea_popescu assbot is not to blame [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-] [23:53]
jurov for this i must have all kinds of paranoid checks in my code...actually i contemplated checking that fractional part isn't >1 satoshi [23:54]
jurov that would have saved me [23:54]
jurov but i said to myself, meh just once a month [23:54]
ThickAsThieves http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/san-francisco-man-denies-connection-silk-road-webs/nbF8F/ [23:54]
ozbot San Francisco man denies connection to 'Silk Road' website | www.ktvu.com [23:54]
mircea_popescu fractional part > 1 ? [23:54]
ThickAsThieves he looks kinda like that Twilight vampire brit [23:55]
jurov as i wrote above, mpex doesn't round divs to whole satoshi/share [23:55]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-september-2013-statement/ < made an update. [23:55]
ozbot BitBet, September 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [23:55]
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kakobrekla how did that happen [23:56]
mircea_popescu that ? [23:58]
FabianB mircea_popescu: i think the log.bitcoin-assets links only work today if you link it without a date parameter [23:58]
mircea_popescu no way ?! [23:59]
ThickAsThieves oh i love the new trilema header photo [23:59]
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mircea_popescu i see it just fine ? it underscores you in yellow [23:59]
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FabianB mircea_popescu: yes, today, but not if you click it tomorrow [23:59]
kakobrekla FabianB has a point [23:59]
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