Forum logs for 04 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 41 @ 0.00749975 = 0.3075 BTC [+] {2}	[00:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.0009376 = 3.2919 BTC [+] {2}	[00:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 50 @ 0.04184159 = 2.0921 BTC [-] {8}	[00:15]
Rulother	oooo	[00:18]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[00:20]
gribble	Current Blocks: 261543 \| Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 \| Next Difficulty In: 536 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 11 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 184354428.172 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.87812	[00:20]
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gribble	239.2	[00:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1296 @ 0.00094023 = 1.2185 BTC [+]	[00:28]
kakobrekla	!t h dealco	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:DEALCO] 1D: 0.00749000 / 0.00749976 / 0.00750000 (41 shares, 0.30749000 BTC), 7D: 0.00420003 / 0.00514473 / 0.00969995 (573 shares, 2.94793246 BTC), 30D: 0.00300000 / 0.00938613 / 0.01525000 (10830 shares, 101.65180960 BTC)	[00:29]
tyrion70	Samuel Cole +46.732300149 Phone	[00:30]
tyrion70	:P	[00:30]
tyrion70	err… wrong screen :)	[00:31]
Rulother	I see	[00:33]
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heetch	Trading is back on btct	[00:38]
heetch	Go burnside	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243 @ 0.00094023 = 0.2285 BTC [+]	[00:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 43275 @ 0.0001956 = 8.4646 BTC [-] {22}	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	plambert> Are the passwords each hashed individually, or once he breaks the encryption for one he can read all of them? << they theoretically should use varied salts, but was no mention of that so prolly not.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	even so, having the salt helps but doesn	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	't make it trivial.	[01:05]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.997 = 8.973 BTC [+]	[01:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 25 @ 0.00626996 = 0.1567 BTC [-] {2}	[01:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 0.999 = 16.983 BTC [+] {2}	[01:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.999 = 5.994 BTC [+]	[01:28]
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mircea_popescu	In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government, not unreasonably, called the printout “illegible.”	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha asciilifeform	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	this guy is some sort of contemporary hero already.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	we need a levison day.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i guess june 28.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	hope he's got the good sense to skip the country (or fellate his pistol) before they bring him in for the crime of closing his shop.	[01:32]
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pankkake	if they were any good, they probably could have brute-scanned the paper	[01:42]
pankkake	you can actually recover blurred text easily	[01:42]
asciilifeform	this is rather like that fellow who paid his tax bill with a wheelbarrow of pennies: not a real obstacle.	[01:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [+]	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	nah. it's the principle of the matter.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	the people dumping tea in the harbor did not measurably impact the british either.	[01:48]
pankkake	yeah, but they hate disobedience	[01:48]
asciilifeform	i dare say his pulling the plug was more significant re: disobedience	[01:48]
pankkake	yes; it was the second step	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	more effective, yes. more significant, no.	[01:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 48 @ 0.42 = 20.16 BTC [-]	[01:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4001 = 3.2008 BTC [-]	[01:57]
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[\]	What was teh asicminer div yesterday?	[01:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 4 @ 0.65 = 2.6 BTC [+]	[01:59]
pankkake	0.08	[02:00]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#338446	[02:00]
[\]	wow	[02:00]
ll	.00800337	[02:00]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[02:00]
pankkake	+0	[02:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BMF] 40 @ 0.015 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009302 = 5.2091 BTC [-] {4}	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/why-june-28th-is-levison-day/	[02:03]
ozbot	Why June 28th is Levison day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 40 @ 0.00511 = 0.2044 BTC [-]	[02:05]
pankkake	http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/10/03/221248/adobe-hacked-almost-3-million-accounts-compromised everyone hacked	[02:07]
ozbot	Adobe Hacked: Almost 3 Million Accounts Compromised - Slashdot	[02:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 12 @ 0.014 = 0.168 BTC [-]	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	adobe. good riddance.	[02:08]
pankkake	http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/twitter-files-for-ipo-2/ "we're losing millions, let's IPO"	[02:08]
ozbot	Twitter Files for IPO, Shows $317M in Revenue \| Wired Business \| Wired.com	[02:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 89 @ 0.00320112 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2}	[02:09]
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mircea_popescu	worked for fb...	[02:09]
pankkake	I don't think fb was actually losing money	[02:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20000 @ 0.0002 = 4 BTC [-]	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	you kidding right ?	[02:12]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1300 @ 0.0002 = 0.26 BTC [-]	[02:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.9802 = 4.901 BTC [-]	[02:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.9802 = 8.8218 BTC [-] {2}	[02:27]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda funny how the original order was issued by the buchanan magistrate at 4pm, and before closing time (so within an hour ?) she was issuing forthwiths with handwritten admonitions.	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9665 BTC [-]	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	basically they have this set of lackeys in the magistrature that do nothing all day except waiting for the phone to ring or what is it ?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	it brings to mind the case of the texas magistrate who had resolved motions the day they were filed and ruled within ten days or something,	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	and then ditched any requests to explain whether he had modified his vacation in order to help out teh government.	[02:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.9631 = 17.3358 BTC [-]	[02:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00092803 = 1.5777 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 22565 @ 0.00021659 = 4.8874 BTC [+] {12}	[02:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 470 @ 0.0002186 = 0.1027 BTC [+] {2}	[02:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.963 = 1.926 BTC [-]	[02:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9625 BTC [-]	[02:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.96121999 = 19.2244 BTC [-] {5}	[02:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.9611 = 5.7666 BTC [-]	[02:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.87817049 = 12.2944 BTC [-] {5}	[02:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00092659 = 3.521 BTC [-] {3}	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-]	[02:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1110 @ 0.00120085 = 1.3329 BTC [-] {5}	[02:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.39167083 = 9.4001 BTC [-] {3}	[02:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00025196 = 0.6299 BTC [+] {4}	[03:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4530 @ 0.0001861 = 0.843 BTC [-] {2}	[03:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]	[03:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00017001 = 3.4002 BTC [-] {2}	[03:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 804 @ 0.00093203 = 0.7494 BTC [+]	[03:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 210 @ 0.0012 = 0.252 BTC [-] {2}	[03:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 245 @ 0.0005 = 0.1225 BTC [+]	[03:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [-] {2}	[03:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00092915 = 1.9512 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 508 @ 0.000926 = 0.4704 BTC [-]	[03:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0002186 = 0.4372 BTC [+]	[03:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 40 @ 0.38 = 15.2 BTC [-]	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	Subject: SIMONS_SPAM USPS - Your package is available for pickup ( Parcel 492552468475 )	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	dude how retarded can they get already.	[03:59]
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mint	whats up with petamine	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	nothing ?	[04:02]
jborkl	Just say no to pedo	[04:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[04:19]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 163 @ 0.001188 = 0.1936 BTC [-]	[05:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6504 @ 0.00092455 = 6.0133 BTC [-] {2}	[05:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/	[05:55]
ozbot	So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	i muchly advised anyone interesting in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.	[05:55]
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mircea_popescu	let';s try again with better grammar.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	i muchly advise anyone interested in mattering in bitcoin to read that whole thing.	[05:56]
VanCleef	i'm selling lube if anyone neeeds any for jail	[06:00]
asciilifeform	VanCleef: make sure to also offer cyanide, for the Aaron Schwartz school of thought.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	VanCleef: and 'arse safes' to secrete said cyanide in, a la Goering.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	fun fact: you can see Herr Goering's actual arse safe in the 'spy museum' in Wash., DC.	[06:02]
dub	fuck mattering, were just here to get rich from mining ponzis	[06:02]
dub	and re: Schwartz, go go gadget darwin	[06:03]
asciilifeform	dub: personally, I'd prefer the 'magic' tooth from Dune.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	dub that's a point.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	just building the crumb of trails for future mpoe-pr bitchslappings.	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	provided of course some retard venue will still exist in the future...	[06:04]
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dub	how sails the forum lulzboat?	[06:05]
dub	I have no time for drama these days :(	[06:06]
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mircea_popescu	still down afaik	[06:06]
dub	has the patented intersango 'we'll pay you to return our data' method brought a result	[06:06]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aside from historical/nostalgic concerns, what would be the purpose of having the list of judges ?	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure it will come out that the judges that play ball have about an order of magnitude better chances to progress.	[06:08]
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mircea_popescu	whereas women that suck cock have a less than twice as better chances to progress.	[06:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: seems like a foregone conclusion.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	documentation is documentation.	[06:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: think of Soviet judges.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	i am certainly more interested in judges being raped by the usg than in secretaries being raped by their bosses.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	so correspondingly more resources should be directed to fight the former than the later, by a significant margin.	[06:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not sure about how writing a list of modern-day Soviet (or otherwise) judges fights anything...	[06:11]
asciilifeform	picture a list of Mexican policemen who forgo bribes. so what.	[06:12]
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mircea_popescu	so you have the list.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	society, at least the livable sort, is built from causes not towards effects.	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	it matters not one whit what "benefit" your correct actions yield.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	at any rate, as far as i know the average grad student takes a few months to gather 25 btc in living grants/we, and if literate should be able to complete the task in that time.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	I'm thinking also about the side-effects. Imagine printing a list of foot-dragging German judges in the '30s.	[06:14]
VanCleef	the pirce is now at 133.7	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	don't for a second imagine the bad boys don't keep that list.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	they have the time and inclination to compile tax harassment programmes for charities for chrissakes.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	this is merely a minute attempt to remedy an information imbalance.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	Don't get me wrong, I'd love to read the result	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	i'd love to see whether the numerous and very self-important "law blogs" get it or not and how long it takes them to.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	these fellows will probably end up on some dour memorial plaque somewhere, maybe glued to the wall where the firing squad stood	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	nobody's shooting any judges.	[06:18]
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asciilifeform	I was thinking of the 'good ones', if that wasn't clear	[06:18]
asciilifeform	I'm rather pessimistic about their prospects in the far future, particularly the younger ones	[06:19]
asciilifeform	where did Stalin put uncooperative judges?	[06:19]
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asciilifeform	I don't expect to grow old myself, and I'm not even remotely a judge. Dissenting or otherwise.	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	listen, you take too much for granted.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	stalin was a man after my own heart. you can not find someone half stalin in the entire us today.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	plenty of fellows with the inclinations, sans the gifts.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah well...	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	you know what, in russia cca 1930 there were a bunch of fuckwits with round glasses and a tufty chin beard.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	they didn't magically become trotsky.	[06:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do you remember Roland Freisler? perhaps he was the first truly modern judge.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the happy brigade has uncovered a bunch of negative reviews. seems this hilton guy is really very pro govt ?	[06:24]
Vexual	uncooperative lawyers dont become judges	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't know what exactly is modern about him ? the rolls are full since at least the 1300s with the same type.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	court-ier.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	Vexual the strange thing is that in civil systems it's precisely the uncooperative lawyers that tend to become judges.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: point. Bernard Gui & friends.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	basically the kids out of law school split in three groups : those who deal well with people, and they end up lawyers. those who have daddy issues, and they become das.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	finally those with neither quality. they end up judges.	[06:26]
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asciilifeform	I'd like to point out that we do not yet know how the Levison story ends.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	personally, i don't care how it ends.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	the man sent the 4 point 11 pages key.	[06:30]
Vexual	at least we know paper wallets are safe	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	if sufficiently small :D	[06:31]
asciilifeform	you know, if the key is genuine (no bits diddled) the inquisitor got much of what he wanted. safe to assume that every packet lavabit shat or ate in its entire life was recorded.	[06:31]
asciilifeform	Levison quoted a rather high cost (several $k) for changing his SSL certs, so presumably he did not do it often.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	that's the other thing. what sort of braindamaged retard actually expects ssl to protect his email.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	well, other than snowden	[06:32]
asciilifeform	that's a whole separate question	[06:32]
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asciilifeform	there's also the issue of people who are literate enough to have some idea of what real security is, but not literate enough to practice it.	[06:36]
asciilifeform	these just sit catatonically and don't do much of anything, i imagine	[06:36]
asciilifeform	so we're left with the snowdens and ulbrichts (who become public fools) and the rest (who are invisible.)	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	i still don't quite grasp this part.	[06:37]
asciilifeform	think 'groklaw'	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	so bradley manning, a total emo fuckwit, somehow managed to be a big honcho in us signals.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	but hey, shit happens, right ? his co was retarded.	[06:38]
asciilifeform	manning was a grunt	[06:38]
asciilifeform	with some janitorial keys	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	dude, he had the stuff ? he was a big honcho.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	grunts do not get access to petabytes of crap	[06:38]
asciilifeform	in the u.s., the way it works is that there's a 'secret' (vs. 'top', etc.) intranet	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	moving on : snowden defects.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	apparently snowden does not know how to secure communications.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	yet he has enough data to bury another petreus.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is going on over there, those people been turned to monkeys or something ?	[06:39]
asciilifeform	it is possible that he did know. but was forced to deal with people who don't	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	heh. nobody's forced.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	there is some record that he tried to persuade the journalists to use gpg	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if this had happened in 1973 the russians would have finished all the vodka and died of split sides.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude, srsly. you're a field agent and you "try to" persuade ?	[06:40]
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mircea_popescu	in what parallel universe is this going on.	[06:40]
asciilifeform	point. betcha the Brits finished all the Lagavulin when Mitrokhin split with his treasure chest.	[06:40]
Vexual	we wouldn't have heard about it in 73	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	Vexual depends on your definition of we.	[06:40]
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Vexual	the internet et all	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	well obviously, as it diodn't exist in 73.	[06:41]
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Vexual	no	[06:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: have you considered the 'mr. s. is a disinfo agent' hypothesis?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[06:42]
asciilifeform	he needn't be aware of the fact, either	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[06:42]
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asciilifeform	easy to set things up so some fool walks off with 'everything he wants'	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	but mind you, my discussion is purely procedural.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	whether he in fact is a defector or a mole, intentional or not,	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	the story still goes the way describe it.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	in short, whether the gas station theft was genuine or staged,	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	the guy still can't drive.	[06:43]
asciilifeform	AFAIK, the only reason i have to consider the 'disinfo' hypothesis is the actual effects of the circus	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	what i want to know is why the us signals corps is made out of monkeys!	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	it's a disgrace, they'll get cut out of nato meetings at this rate	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	the way the french were in the 70s.	[06:44]
asciilifeform	the lusers driven off lavabit likely won't be using gpg, they'll be dropping plaintext (or going home and crying.)	[06:44]
asciilifeform	cui bono	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	cui bono what ?	[06:44]
asciilifeform	people distrusting crypto (of snake oil and genuine varieties, both)	[06:44]
asciilifeform	left and right	[06:44]
asciilifeform	who wins	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	stupidity and laziness need no ulterior motive.	[06:45]
Vexual	its a big job	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	this is like inquiring who wins out of the roman notion that blowjobs cause cavities.	[06:45]
asciilifeform	if you were the fuhrer of NSA, and your minions have not yet found a pill against rsa/etc., what would you do?	[06:46]
asciilifeform	there's more than one way to steer people away from modern crypto	[06:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you're probably right that this is a crackpot hypothesis, it presumes competence where, as far as we know, none is left	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	if i were the fuhrer of the nsa i would be putting backdoors in every single code or cypher used by the usg	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	and leak all the keys	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	all the time.	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	which perhaps explains why there is no competence left in there.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	they probably heard the exact same thing a thousand times so far.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	btw I find it interesting that the names, brief histories, and approximate purposes of the 'Suite A' ciphers (nsa proprietary) used to be on wikipedia	[06:48]
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asciilifeform	and not one (save the ill-fated Skipjack) has ever seen the light of day	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah they got a letter of cachet	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	got really excited about it all at the top cockless geek level.	[06:49]
asciilifeform	funny part is that every 'spam wikipedia' (clone) still has them	[06:49]
asciilifeform	the names/abstracts, that is, nobody save the owners have seen the algos	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	actually here's a great idea to troll wikipedia	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	recreate those articles lol	[06:50]
asciilifeform	whoah	[06:51]
asciilifeform	the idiot wiki-printers still have this crap	[06:51]
asciilifeform	http://www.amazon.co.uk/JOSEKI-cipher-Ronald-Jesse-Russell/dp/B007OVDGVS	[06:51]
ozbot	JOSEKI (cipher): Amazon.co.uk: Ronald Cohn Jesse Russell: Books	[06:51]
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asciilifeform	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	"It cannot be that a search warrant is "general" merely because it gives the government a tool that,	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	if abused Contrrary to law, could constitute a general search."	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	dude this is certainly a novel argument.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	I do wonder why anybody bothered with the 'lettre du cachet', the wiki crap was the equivalent of a winamp playlist	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	according to this nutjob a search is not general if it is objectively general as long as there's some sort of theoretical limitation on the generality.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	well yeah, he used the 'apartment house' analogy	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	for instance a warrant for the search of all cars in new york "to see if there's anything fishi going on" is not general as long as there;s a dept of transportation rule against people being assholes on the road.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	except they're asking for copies to the front door keys, not for the front door t obe unlocked.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	such despicable tactics for srsly.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	it reflects the actual policy of the actual rulers. no surprises here.	[06:57]
Vexual	and its not illegal to unlcok the door if you have the key?	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	dependso n how you got the key.	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform finally, what i don't understand in this whole thing, is why didn't the guy just take the 5th ?	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	send his wife some email about how he had shoplifted or run a red light or w/e	[07:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: IANAL, but i don't think you can do that in a civil action	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	after which he won't give the keys because he's concerned the govt might imprison him by using those keys to read his email.s	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	they are threatening criminal contempt. it's their only actual effectual means.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	otherwise w/e, add 1k per day until you're done adding numbers.	[07:05]
asciilifeform	threatening, yes, but AFAIK this was technically a civil case.	[07:05]
asciilifeform	or rather, 'administrative' - sort of like traffic court	[07:06]
asciilifeform	if he sat around until they physically dragged him off, he might've been able to (might still, actually) end up in criminal proceedings	[07:06]
asciilifeform	where he might try to take the 5th	[07:06]
asciilifeform	might want to ask a real live lawyer about this one	[07:07]
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mircea_popescu	itmakes little difference tho.	[07:10]
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mircea_popescu	5th defense is available throughout.	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	besides, there's an entire mess of civil proceedings that are still criminal for the purposes of that defense.	[07:11]
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asciilifeform	I imagine there was a precedent where it didn't fly. That, or L and all of his predecessors had uncommonly drunken lawyers.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	or pehraps a not wholly digested sense that they are interacting with their enemy	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	rather than with their government.	[07:16]
asciilifeform	the judge review site is a real gem	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	re-reading the transcript it sort-of makes it sound as if the fbi and the judge had prior agreement	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	and then in court the judge was confronted with a different request from what was agreed in advance.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	pretty fucking pernicious this, the defendant doesn't get to go around and chat weith the judge off the record first, before picking one.	[07:21]
asciilifeform	my suspicion is that the inquisitor (the fellow who actually ran the show) - and definitely the judge - weren't really prepared for the 'we don't have a backdoor already' statement by L	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	possibly.	[07:22]
asciilifeform	damn near everything has an obvious administrative backdoor by default	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	fucking obnoxious dude, that. hello! jim mays here with the government's latest pile of nonsense!"	[07:23]
asciilifeform	L's system, lame as it was for obvious reasons, was unusual in that regard.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	and that binall guy is a retard.	[07:23]
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asciilifeform	i suspect that the screws will be tightened soon, and the rules that apply to telephone exchanges (illegal to run without user-friendly backdoor at your own expense) will be applied elsewhere.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	net result, us loses the shred of internet relevance it still has	[07:29]
asciilifeform	for example, it now is (or soon will be, depending on what document you believe) to sell a car in the u.s. without a remote-disable radio.	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	i don't see why this is so hard to graps, but the sovereignity of the internet is not negotiable, it is mandatory.	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	yes but cars run in the us.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	it would be interesting to see an internet that doesn't consist mainly of u.s. telecom oligopolies.	[07:30]
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asciilifeform	maybe time to bring back fidonet.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't mainly consist of us telecom now.	[07:32]
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mircea_popescu	whatcher talking about.	[07:32]
asciilifeform	ok, replace 'us' with 'nato block'	[07:33]
asciilifeform	see, don't misunderstand, nato doesn't formally own all the oceanic fibers, etc. but if someone can cut your fiber and weld it back with a magic box inline, and you can't do squat about it... you don't own said fiber.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	even if you paid for the boat and so forth	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	by this aergument the russians own the intertnet.	[07:35]
asciilifeform	the cream of the russian navy was rusting and irradiating walrus, last i checked	[07:36]
asciilifeform	i don't think the ussr lived to get fiber taps right	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	that may or may not be. factually however, the cream of the us navy is getting boobjobs and trying to be called chelsea.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	so...	[07:37]
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asciilifeform	i do wonder about the fellows who built 'Glomar Explorer'. all dead/senile by now?	[07:38]
thestringpuller	oh wow	[07:39]
thestringpuller	people are active	[07:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform check this shit out : "Only 517 full time magistrate judges and 42 part-time magistrate judges plus some weirdo who is both magistrate judge and court clerk, as of 2009. Guess there couldn’t have been many more in 1993. So I’ll start looking for or making that list. Probably start next week because of the blogging thing."	[07:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00093391 = 1.681 BTC [+] {2}	[08:07]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[14:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[14:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013	[14:05]
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mircea_popescu	hey topace Ukyo http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ give a coin would you ?	[14:20]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 26 @ 0.96399999 = 25.064 BTC [-] {4}	[14:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00092675 = 0.8804 BTC [+] {2}	[14:46]
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mircea_popescu	$vwap ^oix	[14:58]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 103.17256816 high: 221.93443406 low: 89.5310801 volume: 19 btc: 7.95373126 30 day: no data	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	the way that shit works out... 103 huh.	[14:58]
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d34th	darkip daszorz davout daybyter deadweasel deizel Diablo-D3 Digger Digger_ Dimsler dub Duffer1	[14:58]
d34th	darkip daszorz davout daybyter deadweasel deizel Diablo-D3 Digger Digger_ Dimsler dub Duffer1	[14:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.99999998 = 12 BTC [+] {2}	[14:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share	[14:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.11999998 = 11.2 BTC [+]	[15:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00944908 = 0.5197 BTC [+] {2}	[15:07]
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ColdHardMetal	MP around?	[15:25]
Duffer1	socialism ftw	[15:26]
Duffer1	nope doesn't look like he's around	[15:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2760 @ 0.00092139 = 2.543 BTC [-]	[15:59]
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ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[16:04]
gribble	1447310.16542	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[16:04]
gribble	Current Blocks: 261668 \| Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 \| Next Difficulty In: 411 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 6 hours, and 3 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 185257911.629 \| Estimated Percent Change: 24.48522	[16:04]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 185257911.629 based on data since last change \| 202183809.301 based on data for last three days	[16:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0012 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}	[16:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]	[16:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 8 @ 0.012575 = 0.1006 BTC [-] {3}	[16:37]
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plambert	why does campbx have a price limit of 1111.11 dollars? They don't let you put in asks for higher than that amount?	[16:39]
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topace	plambert: a lot of exchanges have limits	[16:40]
plambert	it just seems like a strange number for the limit	[16:41]
topace	cavirtex limits the bids to 1/10th of last trade, and the asks to 10 times last trade	[16:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 8490 @ 0.0012 = 10.188 BTC [+]	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443656/Bank-error-makes-restaurant-manager-worlds-trillionaire-offered-pay-national-debt-glitch-spotted.html	[17:27]
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kleeck	If I saw that much cash in my account I'd conver it to BTC ASAP.	[17:31]
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mod6	lol 404!	[17:33]
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mod6	;;market --buy 4040404040404	[17:35]
gribble	This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 58928.026 bitcoins, for a total of 763585337.8132 USD and take the price to 1793300000.0000. \| Data vintage: 13.7287 seconds	[17:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5225 @ 0.0002185 = 1.1417 BTC [+] {2}	[17:36]
mike_c	;;bc,24hprc	[17:37]
gribble	123.96	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i was thinking the same thing lol. account not found!	[17:38]
mod6	:>	[17:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.cnbc.com/id/101082066	[17:41]
ozbot	Wall St. wonders if Obama wants a selloff	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	pretty lulzy stuff.	[17:41]
kleeck	lolzylicious.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	us president goes "the markets aren't paying enough attention, we are going to default!"	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	the markets drop less than 1 %.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	i guess he's not particularly important in the us.	[17:42]
kleeck	He needed to get Burnanke to say it, then we'd see a sell off.	[17:43]
kleeck	:)	[17:43]
VanCleef	trying hard to troll the markets	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	bernanke's out anyway.	[17:43]
VanCleef	but the marketplace knows oh bummer is always lying so not too much damage	[17:44]
kleeck	The markets eat him up though. If you want to crash it, have Burnanke say something negative.	[17:44]
plambert	The bank, which asked their customer not to identify them, had made the error during an online banking update - I wonder which bank it was?	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	http://www.wcsh6.com/news/watercooler/article/258720/108/Mississippi-bank-mistake-leaves-customers-with-trillion-dollar-deposits	[17:46]
ozbot	Mississippi bank mistake leaves customers with trillion dollar deposits \| wcsh6.com	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	http://5newsonline.com/2013/10/03/bank-error-sends-trillions-to-fort-smith-womans-account/	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	http://swtimes.com/news/bank-glitch-enters-4-trillion-fort-smith-account	[17:46]
ozbot	Bank Glitch Enters $4 Trillion To Fort Smith Account \| The Times Record	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	apparently it's been all over.	[17:46]
kleeck	Interesting.	[17:46]
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kleeck	So, if you have time to remove any amount of that do you get charged or does it qualify as a banking error and they eat the cost?	[17:47]
kleeck	(Or deoes FDIC cover it...?)	[17:47]
kleeck	does*	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	depends how able you are to retain counsel.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	but in general, it's a clerical error, you owe them	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it was BancorpSouth	[17:49]
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pizzaman1337	hey look, NSA has been targeting tor: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-target-tor-network-739/	[18:07]
pizzaman1337	who knew? :P	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[18:08]
asciilifeform	'owns and operates' counts as 'targeting' now ?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	it;s gotten to the point where pps sheets are classified top secret	[18:11]
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mircea_popescu	they're classifying boogers and diapers next	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4664 @ 0.00087326 = 4.0729 BTC [-]	[18:15]
asciilifeform	anyone read the powerpoint crap yet?	[18:15]
asciilifeform	it reeks of disinfo	[18:15]
pizzaman1337	yeah	[18:15]
asciilifeform	no way in hell do these buggers not operate several Tb/sec worth of nodes	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	it's what powerpoint is made for, neh ?	[18:15]
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pizzaman1337	Schneier: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	i'm with asciilifeform's suggestion : that pps is prima facie evidence that the nsa is in fact currently decoding ALL traffic passing through all tor nodes, linking it to originating ips and storing this mess.	[18:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: interestingly, the 'tor foundation' is a lot like the 'bitcoin foundation' but more so. they have a list of 'authority' nodes that every client prefers by default.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it's quite clear that the bitcoin foundation is constructed according to a desgned specification, not unique to it.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	maybe not necessarily clear to the average 27 yo muppet who thinks building php code out of stack exchange snippets makes him a businessman,	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	but the trained eye doth see the signs.	[18:24]
jcpham	php is so erreeet	[18:24]
jcpham	dude! it does everything	[18:25]
jcpham	and it's been around for ages, so you know it's secure	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	there's nothing wrong with php	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	the dorks are the problem. php	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	s fine	[18:25]
mike_c	there are many things wrong with php	[18:25]
jcpham	in today's internet a preprocessor scares me	[18:26]
jcpham	no offense, internet	[18:26]
mike_c	http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/	[18:26]
ozbot	PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	dude. it's for serving blogs and stuff like that.	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	would you stop torturing things.	[18:26]
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pankkake	I'm with mike_c. PHP is a language for nihilists	[18:27]
zoinky	i remember this php blog post	[18:27]
zoinky	wish i saved the one that rebuttals it	[18:27]
mike_c	it is so funny though	[18:28]
pankkake	there is no rebutal. this is written by someone with years of experience using php	[18:28]
mike_c	"You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways."	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	this arguing as to why php is not the best tool to write nuclear power plant supervision tools and spacecraft controlsoftware entirely misses the point.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	php is intended to make the date show in a html page.	[18:29]
pankkake	no it's not. many languages can do that	[18:29]
pankkake	php is not more simple	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	i am not saying it is more simple.	[18:29]
kakobrekla	hey hey i use it in my nuclear power plant	[18:29]
pankkake	it has no special features for the web	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	i am not saying it does.	[18:29]
mike_c	pankkake is saying that it does the same thing as other languages, only worse.	[18:30]
deizel	is this coint ipo on picostocks for real?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	only worse in ways and areas its userbase doesn't give a shit about.	[18:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1612 @ 0.0002185 = 0.3522 BTC [-]	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	deizel nothing on picostocks ios for real.	[18:30]
pankkake	pretty much. and I've used it a lot - this is why I hate it	[18:30]
zoinky	what language would you guys suggest	[18:30]
mike_c	+1 for python	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	zoinky malbolge implemented in scheme.	[18:30]
zoinky	ugh	[18:30]
deizel	i'd like to know before putting money into a hacked exchange written in cakephp that doesn't even have the securitycomponent enabled on the login screen	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	deizel it's a scam since day one, this is well known, not much to see hiar.	[18:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.0002 = 1 BTC [-]	[18:31]
zoinky	i use php and nodejs in pretty much all my projects, im a huge fan of laravel	[18:31]
zoinky	silence o_O	[18:38]
kakobrekla	tumbleweed	[18:38]
kakobrekla	as i said, my nuclear power plant works fine on php.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:39]
KRS1	heh	[18:39]
mike_c	while pondering the calm, go buy my piddling few ATM options: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.C125T	[18:40]
zoinky	bitcoin is coded in php, no?	[18:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	zoinky no, bitcoin is coded in c	[18:40]
KRS1	Why can't infrastructure managers use dedicated lines? Are they that keen on saving money that high risk infrastructure be connected to public networks?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	KRS1 public infrastructure is actually safer in principle.	[18:41]
VanCleef	is php a scam?	[18:41]
KRS1	I disagree..that couldn't possibly be the case.	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	KRS1 you secure your communication, not your channel.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	similarly, when you get married you're well advised to marry women you can trust	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	rather than spend a lot on making the windows impenetrable and the doors unopenable.	[18:44]
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afrotec	but that's more fun	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]	[18:51]
pankkake	married women doors are usually hard to penetrate	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	not as hard as you'd think.	[18:55]
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pankkake	well, unless you're not the husband of course	[18:56]
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Kushedout	Anyone know what this is all about? https://picostocks.com/stocks/view/31 cause it doesn't look legit http://i.imgur.com/ZMf6Lvt.png	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	Kushedout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340074	[19:06]
mike_c	picostocks is the php of btc exchanges.	[19:07]
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Kushedout	There is nothing in the logs besides someone asking the same question and you bashing.	[19:10]
jcpham	"picostocks is a scam"	[19:11]
jcpham	that's what i gleaned	[19:11]
jcpham	unsure if true or not, but apparently the IPO is fraud	[19:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3757 @ 0.0002199 = 0.8262 BTC [+]	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	i'm not "bashing", newb.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	jcpham they had the 100th scam ipo and a bunch of others. par for the course.	[19:19]
kakobrekla	for various amounts of scam	[19:19]
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jcpham	i thought all the ipo's were scams	[19:19]
jcpham	does the asset exchange really make it less or more of a scam	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	some websites masquerading as exchanges specialise in listing scams/	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	picostocks thing is such a website masquerading as an exchange.	[19:20]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00022 = 0.44 BTC [+]	[19:24]
jcpham	that's right buy all that labcoin	[19:25]
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LorenzoMoney	is labcoin a scam or what?	[19:27]
LorenzoMoney	does ANYONE know the real story?	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+] {2}	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-]	[19:28]
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pankkake	doesn't matter. even if everything labcoin says is true it is still a scam	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	this real story bs.	[19:29]
kakobrekla	amazing company is what it is.	[19:29]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	what's the "real story" ? the movie of how some boy in ghana couldn't afford to buy his sweetheart shoes so he hatched a plan to build an internet paper empire ?	[19:30]
kakobrekla	so if slovenia means somalia ghana means italy?!	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	lol got me there.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	i guess this is correct.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone saw the news item about the boatload of african refugees trying to get to europe that had no cellphones and since the boat was leaking	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	they started a fire to get people's attention	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	which burned their tub do the ground err... not to the ground really. to sea level.	[19:33]
pankkake	lol that was why?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	The disaster occurred when the boat's motor stopped working and the vessel began to take on water, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	People on board burned a sheet to attract the attention of rescuers, starting a fire on board.	[19:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 790 @ 0.000226 = 0.1785 BTC [+]	[19:34]
pankkake	the real question is why would somalians want to go to italy	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	because welfare state.	[19:34]
pankkake	of one of the most broke eu countries	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	i suspect broke means different things in different places.	[19:35]
pankkake	but I get it - there are a lot of myths of money growing on trees	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	besides, from italy they can get to monaco	[19:35]
pankkake	so we get migrants who go to France to get all that free money	[19:35]
asciilifeform	afaik once you're in the eu, you can wander off to some other eu country	[19:36]
pankkake	turns out, there is no such free money	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	^	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake at least there's free cheese.	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00086947 = 1.9998 BTC [-]	[19:38]
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skinnkavaj	Is labcoin scam or not?	[19:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0029 = 0.435 BTC [-] {2}	[19:44]
kakobrekla	skinnkavaj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#340125	[19:44]
kakobrekla	follow that link on the end!	[19:45]
skinnkavaj	kakobrekla: oh wow thanks im on tv	[19:45]
kakobrekla	:D	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	is this the result of the forum croaking ?	[19:48]
kakobrekla	dunno	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ?	[19:49]
kakobrekla	maybe 5 or 10 users more here than regularly	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	where have all the jesuses gone ?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/8zrBQqs7waA	[19:50]
ozbot	Marlene Dietrich - Where have all the flowers gone? - YouTube	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1657 @ 0.000226 = 0.3745 BTC [+]	[19:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1114 @ 0.00023409 = 0.2608 BTC [+] {2}	[19:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00949799 = 0.5034 BTC [+] {2}	[19:58]
pankkake	every time I see a + on labcoin… http://totoz.eu/img/flu12345678	[19:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.009498 = 0.133 BTC [+]	[19:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 486 @ 0.0052 = 2.5272 BTC [-]	[20:00]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16820 @ 0.00025576 = 4.3019 BTC [+] {12}	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	and incidentally, how come there's not a half dozen bitcoin busionessmen starting their own retardstalk ? <<<< I was pondering this while on the shitter this morning	[20:06]
pankkake	assbot: now you're just trying to get me mad	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	great time for someone to dethrone btctalk	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ideally multiple someones.	[20:06]
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pankkake	why would you want to create another forum?	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	afaik that's theymos' idea anyway	[20:06]
jcpham	rumor is eligius is working on a new forum	[20:06]
jcpham	i told them i'd moderate if it doesn't suck	[20:06]
jcpham	the new forum that is	[20:06]
pankkake	moderators suck	[20:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3317 @ 0.00087238 = 2.8937 BTC [+]	[20:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 169 @ 0.00511927 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3}	[20:07]
pankkake	and most forum software suck	[20:07]
jcpham	fisrt ban goes to pankkake	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	everyone sucks in a forum	[20:07]
pankkake	jcpham: yay	[20:07]
jcpham	lolololo	[20:07]
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jcpham	i support pre-banning	[20:07]
pankkake	there's a forum I've been on for 10+ years, I think I have been banned for 3 of those years	[20:07]
Doctor_Andonuts	ThickAsThieves: have you done all the btct -> other exhchange transfers? I know your busy, just curious	[20:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 670 @ 0.0002648 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {2}	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	Doc, I just got home from 2 weeks of travelling	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	you'll know when they are done	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	i promise i won't keep it a secret ;)	[20:08]
Doctor_Andonuts	Awesome, not complaining at all. Just want to make sure I wasnt missed or if I messed something up =D	[20:09]
kleeck	How was Cyprus?	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	basically it will be the bulk of my time for the next few days	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	Cyprus was great	[20:09]
kakobrekla	jcpham some religious pricks forum eh?	[20:09]
kakobrekla	i wouldnt hang out with child molesters	[20:09]
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ThickAsThieves	got to participate in a few days of meetings between Neo and partners, etc	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	got to see the offices and storefront	[20:10]
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ThickAsThieves	Cyprus itself was surprisingly dry	[20:10]
kleeck	Awesome! How's it look?	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	the office look great	[20:10]
kleeck	(NeoBee)	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	it's all nnew build	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	very modern	[20:10]
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ThickAsThieves	much bigger space than comes across in the photos	[20:11]
Doctor_Andonuts	Thats sweet	[20:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 19 @ 0.00827889 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2}	[20:13]
jurov	in re: bitcointalk, there is already https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ and i'm using it for coinbr support for quite some time	[20:14]
jurov	now if everyone stopped ignoring its existence...	[20:14]
pankkake	but why would we use that forum?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	jurov who's running it ?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	omfg all the icons and shit.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	this forum is giving me dyslexia.	[20:17]
pankkake	you can sign up with your "social media account", yay	[20:17]
jurov	i did not research their backgroud... even if it's UC, i don't care	[20:17]
jurov	dude was nice, made me subforum with admin access and that's all i needed	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	well here's to hoping there'll be a bunch of these and that's tyhat.	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00087238 = 0.9596 BTC [+]	[20:20]
thestringpuller	lol giving you dyslexia	[20:20]
lewicki	free muay thai skin for lol for anyone that's interested:	[20:21]
lewicki	http://na.alienwarearena.com/giveaways/muay-thai-lee-sin-groups-giveaway	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt mind if the concept of the "official forum thread" went away	[20:21]
kleeck	nice lewicki - love me some jungle Lee Sin.	[20:22]
Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, nor would I	[20:23]
jurov	and re the trillionaire, mpex made me temporarily rich to some 10^20 magnitude.. no bank can come close	[20:24]
jurov	banks dont use bigints	[20:24]
asciilifeform	jurov: judging by the 'trillionaire' snafu, they still use BCD.	[20:25]
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pankkake	http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/amd-puts-r9-290x-pre-orders-live-asks-for-200-deposit/ litecoin mining has its preorders too!	[20:27]
ozbot	AMD Puts R9-290X Pre-Orders Live; Asks for $200 Deposit \| Hardware Canucks	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's a liability anyway, all the scammers paying you five btc or w/e to have the airs of respectability... not so good.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	classical math problem :	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	"Triginta tibi sunt pueri totidemque puellae: Una est nec surgit mentula. Quid facies?"	[20:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36000001 BTC [-]	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	roughly speaking, "you've got thirty boys and that many girls. you've got one cock and it won't stand up. what to do ?"	[20:30]
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jurov	have its connection reset by peer?	[20:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00087238 = 0.2617 BTC [+]	[20:36]
thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 89.5310801 / 103.17256816 / 221.93443406 (19 shares, 7.95 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.01428571 = 7.1 BTC [+] {4}	[20:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.14299991 BTC [-]	[20:38]
jurov	https://bitcoinera.net/ 6% monthly interest.. who is this?	[20:40]
ozbot	Bitcoin Wallet \| Online Bitcoin Wallet & Investing in Bitcoin - 6% monthly on your bitcoin deposits	[20:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.0275 = 2.055 BTC [+] {2}	[20:40]
jurov	proudly writte in PHP	[20:40]
kleeck	PHP IS FOR PLEBS	[20:41]
pankkake	proudly, really? :/	[20:41]
jurov	Contact Person: Christoph Zeras	[20:41]
jurov	Address:444 Brickell Ave Miami Florida	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	Regretfully written in PHP	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00858109 = 0.3947 BTC [-] {3}	[20:42]
jurov	phone's there. too	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	"We express our condoleances to ourselves for having made this website."	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00851046 = 0.8851 BTC [-] {4}	[20:43]
pankkake	"6% monthly", "low risk"	[20:43]
jurov	Of course bitcoinera.net also offers industry standard security, SSL certificates, AES hard disk encryption, hashed passwords, offline cold storage and transaction PINs which makes it one of the most secure online bitcoin wallets available.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, for all the roiling against php i can't believe nobody's saying anything about ubuntu's gedit.	[20:45]
jurov	"industry standard" we know so well what's bitcoin industry standard	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	i do not think i have seen a more braindamaged piece of software since the days of windows 3.1	[20:45]
jurov	you can avoid it unlike php	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	;;google bitdaytrade industry standard	[20:45]
gribble	Alberto Armandi - Hong Kong \| LinkedIn: ; Bitcoin Websites - Google Drive - Google Docs:	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	jurov i thought people objected at other people using it.	[20:46]
kakobrekla	AA's reality is distorted	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	somewha	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	t	[20:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.36000001 = 8.28 BTC [-]	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 39 @ 0.14299991 = 5.577 BTC [-]	[20:51]
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KRS1	damn pigeons	[20:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.08479912 = 8.7343 BTC [+] {4}	[20:57]
pankkake	I wouldn't trust it, it does not have "Protected against SQL injections by escaping all possible user input" in its serucity measures	[20:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 15 @ 0.08499 = 1.2749 BTC [+]	[20:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5733 @ 0.00087182 = 4.9981 BTC [-] {2}	[20:59]
kakobrekla	6% a month, new PIBOR rate	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	pewpewbor	[21:00]
thestringpuller	lol isn't mpex.co written in php?	[21:04]
thestringpuller	buildin' tables with echo statements mr. popescu	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00086492 = 2.638 BTC [-] {2}	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	malboge	[21:05]
asciilifeform	befunge.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	is that stack based malboge ?	[21:07]
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asciilifeform	2d grid instead of linear flow.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge	[21:09]
ozbot	Befunge - Esolang	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	o	[21:09]
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thestringpuller	Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The first Malbolge program was not written by a human being, it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.[1]	[21:13]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 113 @ 0.0082 = 0.9266 BTC [-]	[21:20]
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jurov	lol but having useful code written in malbolge... maybe it could be treated as black box then	[21:27]
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jurov	but perhaps imprisonment and torture of phd students must me involved	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov or the fbi could ask for the keys.	[21:28]
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jurov	what keys? when the programmers will get insane, not even fbi will get keys	[21:29]
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jurov	but maybe they'll waterboard knuth in turn...	[21:30]
jurov	or hire reiser	[21:30]
ieatcows	just saw this update if anyone is an ADDICTION holder. --- Some good news at last! As we speak, 9 miners are on their way to our datacenter. Since we don't trust UPS ;) (and UPS does not deliver on the weekends) we are picking them up ourselves :) We picked them up this afternoon so they should arrive in the morning (European time) where we will have them hashing asap!	[21:30]
jurov	ieatcows: how many ths?	[21:31]
ieatcows	the summary says 4.2 TH but I'm not sure if they factored in the fact that the KNC miners do more than 500 GH since they wrote the summary	[21:32]
pankkake	;;bc,stats	[21:36]
gribble	Current Blocks: 261707 \| Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 \| Next Difficulty In: 372 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 184991384.841 \| Estimated Percent Change: 24.30613	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	so there's a new mpex asset : http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA	[21:38]
pankkake	next 2 weeks: 5 min blocks?	[21:38]
pankkake	lol NSA	[21:38]
asciilifeform	whee	[21:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00852001 = 0.2897 BTC [-]	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	i plan to make a post tomorrow detailing what the plan is,	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	but if anyone has questions good idea to ask anyway.	[21:39]
pankkake	so, what is this thing?	[21:40]
jcpham	fuck that i'm not beggin for an explanation	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	pankkake a manufacturer of crypto items	[21:40]
pankkake	could you be more vague?	[21:40]
kakobrekla	he can.	[21:41]
pankkake	I have no doubts	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	yeah but it'd take straining	[21:41]
pankkake	anyway, we know all that is needed is a name and a logo	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	it's what it is tho, make integrated hardware-and-software products that make absolute guarantees	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	such as, "as long as you use gizmo X, there is no way for anyone to listen in to your coversation. no matter what."	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	or "as long as you use gizmo Y, your data will be absolutely destroyed if you fart. no exceptions."	[21:43]
jcpham	not sure if to laugh or cry	[21:43]
pankkake	so things that free software can do better anyway?	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	this would include hardware and software, for one.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	and for the other, take lavabit as a convenient example. the theoretical privacy offered by the service depended on a godaddy ssl cert and the owner's resistance to fbi court orders.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the idea is to make objects which depend on no externality. as long as they function, they function securely, and this as a matter of fact rather than convention.	[21:45]
pankkake	no hosted email service can guarantee privacy	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[21:45]
pankkake	so, a home email server, for example?	[21:45]
pankkake	I've seen projects like that, interesting, but sadly not going anywhere	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	something like that would theoretically qualify, i suppose.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	pankkake: more like a spoon. the latter is guaranteed not to stab you in the eye spontaneously, if used as prescribed. by pure physical fact of it being what it is.	[21:46]
kakobrekla	https://github.com/Bit-Wasp/BitWasp	[21:46]
kakobrekla	go!	[21:47]
pankkake	> php	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	"BitWasp is an open source project which aims to lower the barrier for anyone to set up there own secure, anonymous marketplace. "	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	great aim.	[21:47]
kakobrekla	php can kick you off this chan	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	the lower the barriers the better the movie. bring popcorns.	[21:47]
pankkake	also, CodeIgniter	[21:47]
pankkake	well, the SR fiasco tells us that the marketplace admin should be highly knowledgable	[21:48]
pankkake	make it some easy php thing, and it's going to be a lot of failures	[21:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.08 BTC [-]	[21:48]
pankkake	the only way I could see it working, is that if it came with professional support	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	from whom.	[21:50]
pankkake	the developers	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	pankkake http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	that was 2012.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	pankkake: does a spoon come with professional support? believe it or not, it is possible to build an artifact which functions as described, until it is physically destroyed.	[21:50]
pankkake	ah well, I thought about it a few days ago	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	"All help and contributions in getting Bitwasp completed are very much appreciated as the time of the lead developers is currently very limited."	[21:51]
pankkake	asciilifeform: I'm not talking about your idea, but about bitwasp	[21:51]
pankkake	though if it's software, you have the issue of updating it	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if there's some underground forum distributing teenage cunt and assorted pills to people on the basis of how many lead developer roles they fail to fill.	[21:52]
asciilifeform	pankkake: when's the last time you updated the software in your microwave oven?	[21:52]
pankkake	you know it's not the same thing	[21:52]
pankkake	and the microwave does not take complex imput from strangers	[21:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.00914463 = 1.2254 BTC [+] {3}	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	okay, when's the last time you updated the software in your girlfriend ?	[21:53]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: pretty much all those community project fail. see diaspora for one of the best examples	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	no argument.	[21:53]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: I wish that was possible, because they were all very defective	[21:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00949797 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {2}	[21:53]
pankkake	beta versions I guess	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00949887 = 1.6148 BTC [+]	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	vaguely related : http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/ 2009 article explaining how to hack in the building access intercom so as to get other people's calls.	[21:55]
pankkake	I haven't been able to figure out what OpenTranscations actually is	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	me either. i've probably been at it longer than you. i think we will die and it will endure mysterious.	[21:58]
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Apocalyptic	pankkake, as in mtgox's withdrawal form ?	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	Just found a couple bitcoins in an old BitStamp account, they won't let me withdraw until I do AML	[22:00]
pankkake	Apocalyptic: http://opentransactions.org/	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	pretty retarded considering that I never actually bought or sold btc with the account	[22:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 199 @ 0.00084192 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4}	[22:01]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: do they force it for the Ripple widthdrawal too?	[22:03]
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ThickAsThieves	dunno	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not gonna try and find out	[22:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5144 @ 0.0008719 = 4.4851 BTC [+] {3}	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	gonna do AML	[22:04]
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ThickAsThieves	I realized with this recent crash I need more quick ways to trade	[22:04]
pankkake	I'm still trying to reverify my bitcoin-central account, they seem to want a new document every day	[22:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+]	[22:04]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:05]
pankkake	most of them being very easy to fake, but whatever	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	fake documents are bad mmkay ?	[22:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00999899 = 0.4999 BTC [+]	[22:07]
pankkake	> trusting a piece of paper	[22:07]
asciilifeform	i often wonder if all the jokers demanding documents are doing so to feed honeypots like the late SR	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	BitFunder will probly be next	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	Weex already allows AML submission	[22:07]
asciilifeform	inevitably some moron succumbs to the temptation of buying false papers, he buys from a stoolie; and game over.	[22:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+]	[22:09]
dexX7	bitstamp did this step like 2 months ago or so	[22:09]
dexX7	by the way ThickAsThieves: do you still process btct am -> am1?	[22:10]
ThickAsThieves	Yes	[22:10]
dexX7	good to know, thanks	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed it was never explained just how the fake ids dpr guy bought were discovered in the mail.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	just you know... glossed over.	[22:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437 @ 0.00087387 = 0.3819 BTC [+]	[22:11]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: possibly something like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/open-market/	[22:13]
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asciilifeform	no need to 'discover' anything when a stoolie is in fact doing the forgeries.	[22:14]
dexX7	ThickAsThieves: is there a cutoff date for transfers?	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	well BTCT closes on Monday right?	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	so this weekend would make sense	[22:17]
dexX7	yes and afaik burnside is going to convert all remaining shares to direct shares on the 10th	[22:18]
dexX7	weekend is fine :)	[22:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00086702 = 1.604 BTC [-]	[22:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]	[22:30]
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pizzaman1337	so, the SR BTC is to be liquidated? http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/04/fbi-silk-road-bitcoin-seizure/	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	lol he gave them the keys ?	[22:32]
pizzaman1337	"The FBI has not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. “That’s like another $80 million worth,” she said, explaining that it was held separately and is encrypted."	[22:32]
pankkake	yes, he seems to make it a point of doing everything wrong	[22:33]
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pankkake	hm, that's better	[22:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BMF] 9 @ 0.0151 = 0.1359 BTC [+]	[22:33]
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asciilifeform	big deal, rectothermal cryptoanalysis until he upchucks the key.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it;s not worth it to them.	[22:34]
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asciilifeform	didn't say it will be a government official inserting the iron	[22:34]
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pankkake	well, if I had that much bitcoins, I'd use passwordless security	[22:34]
asciilifeform	just whoever has unsupervised access to DPR's sorry carcass in the near future.	[22:35]
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mircea_popescu	mebbe.	[22:35]
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pankkake	redditors went all "it will pay the gov debt"	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	pankkake: it will go to the same place where the cocaine went.	[22:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [+]	[22:37]
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asciilifeform	wouldn't it be funny if the 27k btc walked away sometime?	[22:38]
asciilifeform	https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX	[22:38]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX	[22:38]
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mircea_popescu	the irony, of course, is that so far this quite strengthens bitcoin.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	on one hand, the govt taking the trouble to peel some of the bottom layers of idiot muppets off btc is great.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	on the other, 30k less btc can't hurt anything.	[22:39]
kleeck	^	[22:39]
kleeck	When I saw "liquidate" I was happy.	[22:39]
pankkake	what does liquidate mean?	[22:40]
kleeck	Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!	[22:40]
pankkake	anyway, it certainly be a manual of "what not to do" for the next silk roads	[22:41]
deadweasel	fucking daleks, the lot of you.	[22:41]
deadweasel	;)	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00086826 = 1.5629 BTC [+] {2}	[22:41]
skinnkavaj	Hey doesn't anyone think ADDICTION on bitfunder is a great buy? The kncminers are arriving, they just posted news. Has anyone done any calculations how much those shares can make in divends lately?	[22:41]
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pankkake	skinnkavaj: do it yourself	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	skinnkavaj nobody seemed to have cared so far.	[22:42]
skinnkavaj	pankkake: Trying	[22:42]
pankkake	http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/	[22:42]
ozbot	Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block	[22:42]
kleeck	"can some1 maths 4 meh plox thnx"	[22:42]
skinnkavaj	Reading cached version of bitcointalk now	[22:42]
skinnkavaj	Please help me calculate	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake actually that;'s a pretty nice link.	[22:43]
pankkake	I'm pretty sure no one is going to sell it at a good price for you anyway	[22:43]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: it's the only calculator that doesn't suck	[22:43]
skinnkavaj	1 share is 32mhash	[22:43]
pankkake	or the one that sucks the less	[22:43]
skinnkavaj	Where can i find calculator for how much 1mhash will bring in?	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	Bitfury (EU) 0.78 / Bitfury (EU) 0.15	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	da fuck ?	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	it's not normalised or somerthing ?	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	;;genrate 32000	[22:44]
gribble	The expected generation output, at 32000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 148819199.805, is 0.108137985871 BTC per day and 0.00450574941127 BTC per hour.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	bejesus, 320 gh/s makes 1 btc a day.	[22:45]
skinnkavaj	Seems not worth it	[22:45]
skinnkavaj	with current share price	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	i remember when the entire network was like, 30gh	[22:46]
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pankkake	http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/d1afeb43fa if I'm not mistaken, at 0.01 a share of 32 mhash, it's a loss	[22:47]
ozbot	Mining Dashboard - The Genesis Block	[22:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]	[22:50]
pankkake	if I ever encounter a time machine, the only thing I'd bring with me is a block erupter	[22:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.001216 = 1.216 BTC [-] {2}	[22:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086702 = 1.2138 BTC [-]	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	so is this BitFury marketplace TradeFortress' new thing?	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.cex.io/promo/?src=bitv	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	"CEX.IO is the first and leading commodity exchange in the Bitcoin community. Here you can buy or sell GHashes"	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	duide the bullshit. it's the fourth generation.	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin is a commodity bro!	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	Ukto tried to run something called hashpower after pirate's coin minter scam support thing floundered, and THAT was 2nd generation	[22:55]
kakobrekla	but it didnt work	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	by now this "we're the first" and the "we're the largest" markers are pretty clear indications of dipshit 20something year old deadpirateroberts-ism.	[22:56]
kakobrekla	cause it was no ponzi powered	[22:56]
jborkl	that isnt the first- gpumax did that	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	if it is TF's thing, he paid like 210btc to advertise in btctalk	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	waste of money	[22:57]
kakobrekla	O_o	[22:57]
jborkl	what is btctalk?	[22:57]
jborkl	never heard of it	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	forum	[22:57]
kakobrekla	what is btc?	[22:57]
jborkl	?	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	scam	[22:57]
kakobrekla	??	[22:57]
jborkl	never heard of it	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	butcointalk	[22:57]
kakobrekla	what is heard?	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	who is this is?	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	lmao 210 btc ? srsly ?!	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	yeah he bought 7 spots at 30btcv ea	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	there's something amiss here. that thing isn't going to make 200 btc over its lifetime.	[22:58]
dexX7	lol yup	[22:58]
kakobrekla	this is called bflism	[22:58]
kakobrekla	bashing those ads	[22:59]
pankkake	unless he's also selling his own stuff?	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	my guess is he urgently wanted to get it out there due to diff rising	[22:59]
pankkake	though I don't even really understand what it is	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	if we're going to discover theymos was faking his auctions cognitive style...	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	actually TF opened his bid at that	[22:59]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:59]
kakobrekla	;;seen tradefortress	[22:59]
gribble	tradefortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: Graet, that's technically correct, it's just part of the demo.	[22:59]
jborkl	lol, garr225 right?	[22:59]
kakobrekla	he dun like irc	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the only way it makes sense to be paying 200 btc to advertise on btctalk ius if you're not paying 200 btc.	[23:00]
pankkake	you can't really fake auctions though. it's mostly psychological	[23:00]
ThickAsThieves	like orgasms?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, it'd be more cost effective to buy 1 kilo of coke from the fbi	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	and send it in baggies to your prospective customers.	[23:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.03950968 BTC to 40`316 shares, 98 satoshi per share	[23:00]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it's just his roundabout way of selling PMBs	[23:01]
jborkl	where is all this KNC hardware that was supposed to be out?	[23:02]
jborkl	without the forum, how am I supposed to keep up with scams	[23:02]
pankkake	eh, people seem to be getting it actually	[23:02]
Au-WireBeard	Has KNC started hosting hardware yet?	[23:02]
ThickAsThieves	ask reddit?	[23:02]
ThickAsThieves	ask Knc?	[23:03]
jborkl	from what I have seen, they have not answered on the knc forum in 4 days	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	well they were of course mining with it themselves for a bit before shipping	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	so probably wont affect nethash	[23:03]
pankkake	https://bitfunder.com/asset/ADDICTION#pane_news 9 miners!	[23:04]
Au-WireBeard	So much for having the facility setup and ready to go before th chips arrive	[23:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.009989 = 0.1598 BTC [+]	[23:04]
pankkake	from what I understand, they're doing it in the order of all orders, so hosted mining won't go before regular orders	[23:05]
pankkake	http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/4259-i-got-my-tracking-number-%7B%7B-post-here-when-you-do-%7D%7D	[23:07]
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ozbot	I got my tracking number {{ POST HERE WHEN YOU DO }}	[23:07]
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pankkake	http://cointerra.com/coolit-systems-selected-cointerra-partner-liquid-cooling-solutions/ that's actually more interesting to me than their fpga demo	[23:14]
thestringpuller	fmlafjlkeajfleawjflkajwekrwkflajfkjfljawkakjfl;lawfl;jwljejvlwg;fjw	[23:16]
ThickAsThieves	thestringpuller got a cat	[23:16]
jurov	or misfapped	[23:17]
thestringpuller	my cat ran over the keyboard	[23:17]
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jurov	he'd never admit anyway	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	the cat typed "fml" & "flea"	[23:19]
Au-WireBeard	So theymos is finally using that donation fund to upgrade the forums? Or just place bounties here and there?	[23:20]
benkay_	thestringpuller: https://soundcloud.com/mslaurynhill/ms-lauryn-hill-consumerism-1	[23:21]
ThickAsThieves	^ meh	[23:21]
benkay_	at least it has more than 12 unique words	[23:21]
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ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=277	[23:22]
ThickAsThieves	"This is good for the Bitcoin economy in general and the reputation in specific because it proves that Bitcoins are in and of themselves a neutral store of value or medium of exchange and that privacy does not necessarily have to be compromised for law enforcement purposes."	[23:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[23:25]
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mircea_popescu	Timing buffered disk reads: 5758 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1919.23 MB/sec	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	some things you gotta love.	[23:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.15639577 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 3 satoshi per share	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	herp.	[23:30]
jurov	mhm	[23:31]
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jurov	it's actually 2.69 satoshi per share for mpex/coinbr users, 2 satoshi for passthrough bagholders	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	hang on a second.	[23:37]
jurov	um... my maffs are wrong.	[23:37]
jurov	it's 3.85 for mpex, 3 else	[23:37]
kakobrekla	smth is wrong there yeah	[23:38]
kakobrekla	missed a decimal place?	[23:38]
jurov	lol looking on my code for wisdom what it actualy did	[23:39]
jurov	*into	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	uyeah.	[23:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.03 = 17.51 BTC [+]	[23:40]
kakobrekla	seriously mp, into the ground, well, to sea level. :)	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	omg this is hate.	[23:41]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.04075619 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 34 satoshi per share	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	now it's right.	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 21.91991239 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 4 satoshi per share	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	rejoice.	[23:43]
ThickAsThieves	you garbage?	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[23:44]
FabianB	hmm.. why is bbet div less than august if august profits were lower?	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	"i have no idea what's going on." ~towlie.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	FabianB cause it came in two chunks?	[23:45]
jurov	at least assbot should have done its maths correctly.. now i have a mess in db	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.36000007 = 1.08 BTC [+] {2}	[23:46]
kakobrekla	hm yeah	[23:46]
kakobrekla	something is off	[23:46]
kakobrekla	hum	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah wtf.	[23:46]
FabianB	even both together	[23:47]
kakobrekla	welcome to quantum assets	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	heh. turns out, FabianB, that last month i fucked up the bitbet divs too.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	i overpaid about 3x ;/	[23:47]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	july Profit : 5.75330454 BTC / 1.72599069 BTC on 04-08-13 ; aug Profit : 2.69851570 BTC / 2.69851526 BTC	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	basically last month i paid the 3mn shares on mpex as if they were the whole 10mn. which they aren't.	[23:49]
FabianB	lol, why not have all shares on mpex?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	there will be a 1.88896099 BTC charge on next month to make it whole. unless i forget.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	or i fuck something else up.	[23:49]
ThickAsThieves	scams!	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	FabianB well the bitbet ipo was so that once this 3mn shares sell we get teh rest of our shares allocated.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	however... so far it's not sold	[23:50]
ThickAsThieves	kinda ironic, linking the trillionaire earlier	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i guess this qualifies as an unjustified accelerated dividend and therefore A SCAM	[23:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.36000007 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[23:50]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu first payment was for 30 mio shares, second for 3 mio	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla this month ? yes.	[23:51]
ThickAsThieves	coincidentally was discussing various risks in operation with lawyer today, including "human error"	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves im notoriously bad at this dividend crap. just ask jurov.	[23:52]
kakobrekla	yeah that why assbot reported wrong numbers	[23:52]
kakobrekla	is not phps fault	[23:52]
ThickAsThieves	kill all teh dividend assets!	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	assbot is not to blame	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]	[23:53]
jurov	for this i must have all kinds of paranoid checks in my code...actually i contemplated checking that fractional part isn't >1 satoshi	[23:54]
jurov	that would have saved me	[23:54]
jurov	but i said to myself, meh just once a month	[23:54]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/san-francisco-man-denies-connection-silk-road-webs/nbF8F/	[23:54]
ozbot	San Francisco man denies connection to 'Silk Road' website \| www.ktvu.com	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	fractional part > 1 ?	[23:54]
ThickAsThieves	he looks kinda like that Twilight vampire brit	[23:55]
jurov	as i wrote above, mpex doesn't round divs to whole satoshi/share	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-september-2013-statement/ < made an update.	[23:55]
ozbot	BitBet, September 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[23:55]
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kakobrekla	how did that happen	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	that ?	[23:58]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: i think the log.bitcoin-assets links only work today if you link it without a date parameter	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	no way ?!	[23:59]
ThickAsThieves	oh i love the new trilema header photo	[23:59]
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mircea_popescu	i see it just fine ? it underscores you in yellow	[23:59]
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FabianB	mircea_popescu: yes, today, but not if you click it tomorrow	[23:59]
kakobrekla	FabianB has a point	[23:59]

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