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	<title>Comments on: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition</title>
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		<title>By: So I designed a block chipher. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.</title>
		<link>http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-145097</link>
		<dc:creator>So I designed a block chipher. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seriously, what can I do ?! On one hand, the item that won (by fucking default) doesn't seem to be doing all that well ; on the other hand  In short -- there was not so much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seriously, what can I do ?! On one hand, the item that won (by fucking default) doesn't seem to be doing all that well ; on the other hand  In short -- there was not so much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Introducing [P]ermanence on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.</title>
		<link>http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-142066</link>
		<dc:creator>Introducing [P]ermanence on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 08:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discovery and exploitation. [&#8617;]To replace SSH entirely. To be based on the eventual winner of TMSR's cipher competition. [&#8617;]The grammatical singular implies nothing about actual implementation. [&#8617;]Mention of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discovery and exploitation. [&#8617;]To replace SSH entirely. To be based on the eventual winner of TMSR's cipher competition. [&#8617;]The grammatical singular implies nothing about actual implementation. [&#8617;]Mention of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
		<link>http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-126940</link>
		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your systematic dedication to lowerst-possible-effort "contributing" is starting to make you sound very much like &lt;a href=http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/#comment-126836 &gt;the Romanian morons&lt;/a&gt;. 

This is even useful, after a fashion, in that it shows there's nothing specifically &lt;a href=http://trilema.com/2009/ce-inseamna-sa-fii-roman/ &gt;Romanian&lt;/a&gt; about the Romanian morons in question, but that their sad state is merely the necessary result of systematically following a stupid strategy (something I, and as far as I know I alone, always suspected). 

Because in the end that's how you build, Romanias and Uruguays and any other Orcistan : by systematically being you, by making &lt;a href=http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ &gt;your sort of committments&lt;/a&gt; to the saeculum and then attempting &lt;a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852 &gt;to adapt the Republic&lt;/a&gt; to them "as best one can", which is to say without waking up the insignificant other in the other room.

It doesn't work, &lt;a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 &gt;lay off it&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your systematic dedication to lowerst-possible-effort "contributing" is starting to make you sound very much like <a href=http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/#comment-126836 >the Romanian morons</a>. </p>
<p>This is even useful, after a fashion, in that it shows there's nothing specifically <a href=http://trilema.com/2009/ce-inseamna-sa-fii-roman/ >Romanian</a> about the Romanian morons in question, but that their sad state is merely the necessary result of systematically following a stupid strategy (something I, and as far as I know I alone, always suspected). </p>
<p>Because in the end that's how you build, Romanias and Uruguays and any other Orcistan : by systematically being you, by making <a href=http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ >your sort of committments</a> to the saeculum and then attempting <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852 >to adapt the Republic</a> to them "as best one can", which is to say without waking up the insignificant other in the other room.</p>
<p>It doesn't work, <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 >lay off it</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterL</title>
		<link>http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-126938</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about using keccak as a key expander?

Given a message M of size m and a key K, the enciphered message E = M xor keccak(input = K, output size=m).

M is then retreived as E xor keccak(K).

Works with any key size and message size you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about using keccak as a key expander?</p>
<p>Given a message M of size m and a key K, the enciphered message E = M xor keccak(input = K, output size=m).</p>
<p>M is then retreived as E xor keccak(K).</p>
<p>Works with any key size and message size you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
		<link>http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-123806</link>
		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the need for a replacement look like ?

For instance, I have no intention to ever upgrade the eulora crypto lib currently being brewed. I don't believe in upgrades, nor really &lt;a href=http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/ &gt;ever have&lt;/a&gt;. So in this sense, there's no need for a symmetric cipher anymore, Serpent won.

There is some space for an alternate, perhaps stronger, crypto lib for usage in a republican replacement of GPG, for which FFA looks like a strong basis (and where the much belated Cramer-Shoup implementation may have a good home). It is possible this may want a symmetric cipher for some purpose, but honestly I expect it will be in the vein of (if not likely exactly) MPFHF, which is to say algorithmic rather than algebraic. &lt;em&gt;If at all present&lt;/em&gt;, which seems altogether improbable currently.

In short -- there was not so much known demand for this category of item, and it missed out on the little that there was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would the need for a replacement look like ?</p>
<p>For instance, I have no intention to ever upgrade the eulora crypto lib currently being brewed. I don't believe in upgrades, nor really <a href=http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/ >ever have</a>. So in this sense, there's no need for a symmetric cipher anymore, Serpent won.</p>
<p>There is some space for an alternate, perhaps stronger, crypto lib for usage in a republican replacement of GPG, for which FFA looks like a strong basis (and where the much belated Cramer-Shoup implementation may have a good home). It is possible this may want a symmetric cipher for some purpose, but honestly I expect it will be in the vein of (if not likely exactly) MPFHF, which is to say algorithmic rather than algebraic. <em>If at all present</em>, which seems altogether improbable currently.</p>
<p>In short -- there was not so much known demand for this category of item, and it missed out on the little that there was.</p>
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