Comments on: The logical impossibility, and the moral untenability, of forgiveness http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/ Moving targets for a fast crowd. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 20:05:39 +0000 http://polimedia.us hourly 1 By: The problem with christians on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/#comment-144307 The problem with christians on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:18:49 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=56600#comment-144307 [...] intervenes christian ideology, through the artefact of "forgiveness". I've said before the notion means nothing to mei, but in xtianism it works something like this : if John the Christian does something, and later [...] [...] intervenes christian ideology, through the artefact of "forgiveness". I've said before the notion means nothing to mei, but in xtianism it works something like this : if John the Christian does something, and later [...]

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]]> By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/#comment-115119 Mircea Popescu Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:53:28 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=56600#comment-115119 > Until one of the transactions is included in a valid block But for reality that's a very low bar. Yes, an "action" that has no sort of reprecussions whatsoever could be "forgiven" as it was included in no block. Nevertheless, even leaving aside that this is specifically not what action means (this is how you distinguish the category of action from the category of thought), it is pointedly not what forgiven means. You can only forgive someone for something that to some degree and in some manner affects something, if not you directly nevertheless <em>something</em>. > Nothing is impossible with God What is possible or impossible in that context is not a proper subject of concern for anyone but the god in question. I have enough problems as is, without importing problems of trasncendental scope. > because you cannot be I have no teleological interest whatsoever. My actions stem from causes strictly, and show no interest in <a href=http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ >purposes</a>. Whether anyone can or can not "forgive" them is entirely their problem, and wholly an uninteresting consideration to me. Let them figure it out on their own and wash their head with it. > God sets the rules. He says what is moral. No body of rules may be interpreted to mean something self-contradictory. If no interpretation that's not self contradictory can be had, then no interpretation will be had at all. > Is that not all trade? If the trade proceeds between two individual, distinct agents, then yes, and it's fine. If the trade happens all in one's own head, then no. > Until one of the transactions is included in a valid block

But for reality that's a very low bar. Yes, an "action" that has no sort of reprecussions whatsoever could be "forgiven" as it was included in no block. Nevertheless, even leaving aside that this is specifically not what action means (this is how you distinguish the category of action from the category of thought), it is pointedly not what forgiven means. You can only forgive someone for something that to some degree and in some manner affects something, if not you directly nevertheless something.

> Nothing is impossible with God

What is possible or impossible in that context is not a proper subject of concern for anyone but the god in question. I have enough problems as is, without importing problems of trasncendental scope.

> because you cannot be

I have no teleological interest whatsoever. My actions stem from causes strictly, and show no interest in purposes. Whether anyone can or can not "forgive" them is entirely their problem, and wholly an uninteresting consideration to me. Let them figure it out on their own and wash their head with it.

> God sets the rules. He says what is moral.

No body of rules may be interpreted to mean something self-contradictory. If no interpretation that's not self contradictory can be had, then no interpretation will be had at all.

> Is that not all trade?

If the trade proceeds between two individual, distinct agents, then yes, and it's fine. If the trade happens all in one's own head, then no.

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