Comments on: The color of gray http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/ Moving targets for a fast crowd. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 13:16:37 +0000 http://polimedia.us hourly 1 By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/#comment-95974 Mircea Popescu Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:04:01 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=50576#comment-95974 @<b>Stanislav Datskovskiy</b> Inasmuch as you can't obtain W from F it's moot that F is only sent in response to a request for W. Otherwise responding with "Please don't infringe copyright 128301298310" would be equally prosecutable. Not saying that it wouldn't be better to have ambiguous F-ing, but I don't see it is actually necessary. @<b>jurov</b> Well ok, so it strives. It's in fact much older than Bitcoin, right ? As in, decade+ older than Bitcoin. Wouldn't that make the comparison to Bitcoin in 2010 quite ungermane ? I will despise any implementation of anything in Java no matter what anyone else says. If Jesus saves in Java I won't be saved. So that settles that. The "not invented here" part is a little heavy if the best that can be said for this freenet thing is that it "strives" to accomplish the same thing that this here thing actually does accomplish. The "not invented here" is strictly reserved for things that actually work, not for things that intend to have worked. @Stanislav Datskovskiy Inasmuch as you can't obtain W from F it's moot that F is only sent in response to a request for W. Otherwise responding with "Please don't infringe copyright 128301298310" would be equally prosecutable.

Not saying that it wouldn't be better to have ambiguous F-ing, but I don't see it is actually necessary.

@jurov Well ok, so it strives. It's in fact much older than Bitcoin, right ? As in, decade+ older than Bitcoin. Wouldn't that make the comparison to Bitcoin in 2010 quite ungermane ?

I will despise any implementation of anything in Java no matter what anyone else says. If Jesus saves in Java I won't be saved. So that settles that. The "not invented here" part is a little heavy if the best that can be said for this freenet thing is that it "strives" to accomplish the same thing that this here thing actually does accomplish. The "not invented here" is strictly reserved for things that actually work, not for things that intend to have worked.

]]> By: jurov http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/#comment-95973 jurov Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:58:40 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=50576#comment-95973 Freenet *does* strive for complete plausible deniability both for stuff you are storing and stuff you're transferring. It is not dead, just not very popular, something like bitcoin in 2010. I don't see what is superficial therein, I only see arguments of "not invented here" type plus "it's in java, slooow". Freenet *does* strive for complete plausible deniability both for stuff you are storing and stuff you're transferring. It is not dead, just not very popular, something like bitcoin in 2010. I don't see what is superficial therein, I only see arguments of "not invented here" type plus "it's in java, slooow".

]]> By: Stanislav Datskovskiy http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/#comment-95972 Stanislav Datskovskiy Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:38:24 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=50576#comment-95972 MP, 'fragment F sent if and only if queried for W' is the current situation in BitTorrent. What we want is 'F is sent if query is W1, W2, ... Wn - or maybe just because node felt like it.' MP, 'fragment F sent if and only if queried for W' is the current situation in BitTorrent. What we want is 'F is sent if query is W1, W2, ... Wn - or maybe just because node felt like it.'

]]> By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/#comment-95971 Mircea Popescu Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:15:45 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=50576#comment-95971 How would the fact that user sent F can be used to readily deduced user possessed W if F is only sent as part of the download process for W ? How would the fact that user sent F can be used to readily deduced user possessed W if F is only sent as part of the download process for W ?

]]> By: Stanislav Datskovskiy http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/#comment-95970 Stanislav Datskovskiy Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:14:19 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=50576#comment-95970 Re: degeneration to BitTorrent: it is important that 'user sent fragment F' cannot be used to readily deduce the fact 'user possessed warez W.' Hence there must be maximal reuse of fragments (if a noisy frag is by any stretch of the imagination applicable to multiple potential queries, it is returned in response to said queries.) Re: degeneration to BitTorrent: it is important that 'user sent fragment F' cannot be used to readily deduce the fact 'user possessed warez W.' Hence there must be maximal reuse of fragments (if a noisy frag is by any stretch of the imagination applicable to multiple potential queries, it is returned in response to said queries.)

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