Comments on: A simple example as to why fiat institutions can't stand http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/ Moving targets for a fast crowd. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 23:03:40 +0000 http://polimedia.us hourly 1 By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96673 Mircea Popescu Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:55:25 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=51489#comment-96673 Good point anon. Good point anon.

]]> By: Anon http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96672 Anon Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:53:12 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=51489#comment-96672 "lets tell the police to take a vacation for a couple of months" No, that is also a flawed argument. If we were discussing if wood or steel trellising works better to support mine walls, where wood is in place already, saying "we'll let's just take the wood out see how well the mine holds then!" doesn't particularly bring anything to the table. Similarly, if women have already had their necks destroyed by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neck_ring" >neck rings</a>, saying "o, so if neck rings are bad let's just take them off see how well the woman does then!" is nonsense. "lets tell the police to take a vacation for a couple of months"
No, that is also a flawed argument. If we were discussing if wood or steel trellising works better to support mine walls, where wood is in place already, saying "we'll let's just take the wood out see how well the mine holds then!" doesn't particularly bring anything to the table.

Similarly, if women have already had their necks destroyed by neck rings, saying "o, so if neck rings are bad let's just take them off see how well the woman does then!" is nonsense.

]]> By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96671 Mircea Popescu Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:46:28 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=51489#comment-96671 @<b>pankkake</b> Perhaps your post contains in the second part the solution for the first part. On one hand, if your bike was actually a virtual bike I don't generally need to <em>take</em> the thief's bike to give you back "your" bike. I can just give you another instance of the bike. Coming full circle, the thief himself doesn't actually need to take your bike either, he can just give himself a bike. If your bike wasn't actually a virtual bike, does it make a difference to you if you receive <em>the exact bike</em> ? Perhaps a replacement, perhaps the cash value is a better substitution. Consider that business doesn't seem to be organised on the principle you get the same item back, should it have a deffect or anything. For that matter, neither were the courts, historically and to this day - the most you'll get is an order for damages. Which you won't get anyway, because a) the police isn't chasing your bike (nor <a href=http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ >could they</a>) and b) the courts aren't in the business of fixing bike disputes. @pankkake Perhaps your post contains in the second part the solution for the first part. On one hand, if your bike was actually a virtual bike I don't generally need to take the thief's bike to give you back "your" bike. I can just give you another instance of the bike. Coming full circle, the thief himself doesn't actually need to take your bike either, he can just give himself a bike.

If your bike wasn't actually a virtual bike, does it make a difference to you if you receive the exact bike ? Perhaps a replacement, perhaps the cash value is a better substitution. Consider that business doesn't seem to be organised on the principle you get the same item back, should it have a deffect or anything. For that matter, neither were the courts, historically and to this day - the most you'll get is an order for damages.

Which you won't get anyway, because a) the police isn't chasing your bike (nor could they) and b) the courts aren't in the business of fixing bike disputes.

]]> By: ghe http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96670 ghe Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:43:11 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=51489#comment-96670 Ok then, lets tell the police to take a vacation for a couple of months to see what impact their activity has on our safety. Then we can say for sure. But the thing is that you also don't have any real data, but claim knowledge on the subject. Ok then, lets tell the police to take a vacation for a couple of months to see what impact their activity has on our safety. Then we can say for sure. But the thing is that you also don't have any real data, but claim knowledge on the subject.

]]> By: Anon http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/#comment-96669 Anon Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:42:26 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=51489#comment-96669 Ghe- This "I've never seen" approach may be flawed. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese" >Murder of Kitty Genovese</a>. Ghe- This "I've never seen" approach may be flawed. Murder of Kitty Genovese.

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